RE: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor

[Kylie Carberry]

I was happy to see this story posted here as it is one I have cited in the story.  The wonderful Sarah Buckley showed it to me,
cheers
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From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floorDate: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:42:46 +0800




I recently read this article and found it very interesting.  Worth a read and storing of the reference for those women asking about the risks of urinary and faecal incontinence following either mode of birth. MM
“Returning to the key point that we have made throughout this review -- at least some of the less desirable pelvic floor outcomes attributed in this review to VB will have been due to obstetric practices that are in need of improvement. Routine and overuse of episiotomy,[56] routine use of epidurals,[57] prolonged closed glottis pushing,[58] lithotomy and other nonphysiologic positions for birth[59,60] all will cause differential increases for VB in the very perineal and pelvic floor problems to which this review has been directed. If these and other obstetric practices were improved, the reported differences between VB and CS pelvic floor outcomes would likely narrow substantially.” And It is striking that, even short term, severe UI is not different by mode of birth -- even coming from usual settings where VB is likely nonphysiologic.
The occurrence of postpartum FI is very slightly increased after the experience of any birth, particularly related to the use of Instrumental Delivery. There is evidence that CS reduces the incidence of postpartum FI; however, this effect appears to be similar with respect to elective CS or CS performed during labor.
Sexual dysfunction is common following any delivery; however, there is little evidence that CS reduces this risk long term. There is also some evidence that ID may have a greater impact on sexual dysfunction than either SVB or CS.
 

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor

[Mary Murphy]

Sorry, I seem to have dropped off
the reference that JO  gave : Mode of Delivery and Pelvic Floor
Dysfunction: a Systematic Review of the Literature on Urinary and Fecal
Incontinence and Sexual Dysfunction by Mode of Delivery CME/CE

Authors: Joshua Press, MD; Michael
C. Klein, MD, CFPC, FCFP, FAAP (Neonatal-Perinatal), FCPS, ABFP; Peter von
Dadelszen, DPhil, FRCSC, FRCOG Disclosures

 

Release Date: January 17, 2006;
Valid for credit through January 17,

2007

 

 

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary
 Murphy





 

I recently read this article and found it very
interesting.  Worth a read and storing of the reference for those women
asking about the risks of urinary and faecal incontinence following either mode
of birth. MM

“Returning
to the key point that we have made throughout this review -- at least some of
the less desirable pelvic floor outcomes attributed in this review to VB will
have been due to obstetric practices that are in need of improvement. Routine
and overuse of episiotomy,[56] routine use of epidurals,[57]
prolonged closed glottis pushing,[58] lithotomy and other
nonphysiologic positions for birth[59,60] all will cause
differential increases for VB in the very perineal and pelvic floor problems to
which this review has been directed. If these and other obstetric practices
were improved, the reported differences between VB and CS pelvic floor outcomes
would likely narrow substantially.” And It is striking that, even short
term, severe UI is not different
by mode of birth -- even coming from usual settings where VB is likely
nonphysiologic.

The
occurrence of postpartum FI is very slightly increased after the experience of
any birth, particularly related to the use of Instrumental Delivery. There is
evidence that CS reduces the incidence of postpartum FI; however, this effect
appears to be similar with respect to elective CS or CS performed during labor.

Sexual dysfunction is
common following any delivery; however, there is little evidence that CS
reduces this risk long term. There is also some evidence that ID may have a
greater impact on sexual dysfunction than either SVB or CS.

 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor

[Mary Murphy]

I recently read this article and found it very
interesting.  Worth a read and storing of the reference for those women
asking about the risks of urinary and faecal incontinence following either mode
of birth. MM

“Returning
to the key point that we have made throughout this review -- at least some of
the less desirable pelvic floor outcomes attributed in this review to VB will
have been due to obstetric practices that are in need of improvement. Routine
and overuse of episiotomy,[56] routine use of epidurals,[57]
prolonged closed glottis pushing,[58] lithotomy and other
nonphysiologic positions for birth[59,60] all will cause
differential increases for VB in the very perineal and pelvic floor problems to
which this review has been directed. If these and other obstetric practices
were improved, the reported differences between VB and CS pelvic floor outcomes
would likely narrow substantially.” And It is striking that, even short
term, severe UI is not different
by mode of birth -- even coming from usual settings where VB is likely
nonphysiologic.

The
occurrence of postpartum FI is very slightly increased after the experience of
any birth, particularly related to the use of Instrumental Delivery. There is
evidence that CS reduces the incidence of postpartum FI; however, this effect
appears to be similar with respect to elective CS or CS performed during labor.

Sexual dysfunction is
common following any delivery; however, there is little evidence that CS
reduces this risk long term. There is also some evidence that ID may have a
greater impact on sexual dysfunction than either SVB or CS.

 

[ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor

[Dean & Jo]

Mode of Delivery and Pelvic Floor Dysfunction: a Systematic Review of
the Literature on Urinary and Fecal Incontinence and Sexual Dysfunction
by Mode of Delivery CME/CE
Authors: Joshua Press, MD; Michael C. Klein, MD, CFPC, FCFP, FAAP
(Neonatal-Perinatal), FCPS, ABFP; Peter von Dadelszen, DPhil, FRCSC,
FRCOG 
Disclosures

Release Date: January 17, 2006; Valid for credit through January 17,
2007

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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Kylie Carberry]

thanks for that Lesley ther is some really good information there.
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From: "Lesley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:51:10 +1100



The Maternity Centre Association has an excellent section on the pelvic floor.
 
http://www.maternitywise.org/mw/topics/pelvic-floor/
 
Regards,
Lesley

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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Lesley]

The Maternity Centre Association has an excellent 
section on the pelvic floor.
 
http://www.maternitywise.org/mw/topics/pelvic-floor/
 
Regards,
Lesley

Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Kylie Carberry]

Thanks Honey, they have a website which has the article, so I'll have a read of it later.
cheers
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From: "Honey Acharya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:05:08 +1100

There was a good article in Natural Parenting Magazine about "Pelvic Floor Consciousness",not just how to do the exercises but how to tell if they are switched on etc, I have the article at home but am in Sydney this week for the birth international workshops, send me an email if you want more details about it.
Regards
Honey

- Original Message - 
From: Kylie Carberry 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information


Hi Linda, 
Yes, I am researching it extensively.  It helps that I am very interested in this topic due to the fact that my nana needed surgery to correct uterine prolapse (I think that's what she had anyway, it wasn't something discussed over Christmas lunch!), and that I have had four good size bubs.  I guess I am curious to see if I should be concerned :)   Anyway, the story is for body and soul in the Sunday Telegraph, sometime later in the year.  All of the stories are online, so I will let you know when it goes in.
cheers
Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747


From: "Bowman Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:01:52 +1000


Kylie, it would be great if you can share your article re: pelvic floor with us when you have published it. It sounds as though you are researching the topic very extensively. Good Luck with your work.
Cheers Linda 

- Original Message - 
From: Dean & Jo 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

There was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: Macalister I think his name was?


-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns!  It would be perfect to use that.  I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it.  
Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747


From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it.  The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit 
on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Honey Acharya]

There was a good article in Natural Parenting 
Magazine about "Pelvic Floor Consciousness",not just how to do the exercises but 
how to tell if they are switched on etc, I have the article at home but 
am in Sydney this week for the birth international workshops, send me an 
email if you want more details about it.
Regards
Honey

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kylie Carberry 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:59 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor 
  information
  
  
  Hi Linda, 
  Yes, I am researching it extensively.  It helps that I am very 
  interested in this topic due to the fact that my nana needed surgery to 
  correct uterine prolapse (I think that's what she had anyway, it wasn't 
  something discussed over Christmas lunch!), and that I have had four good size 
  bubs.  I guess I am curious to see if I should be concerned 
  :)   Anyway, the story is for body and soul in the Sunday Telegraph, 
  sometime later in the year.  All of the stories are online, so I will let 
  you know when it goes in.
  cheers
  Kylie Carberry Freelance 
  Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 
  42970747
  

From: "Bowman Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: 
Subject: Re: 
[ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Tue, 30 May 2006 
17:01:52 +1000



Kylie, it would be great if you can share your 
article re: pelvic floor with us when you have published it. It sounds as 
though you are researching the topic very extensively. Good Luck with your 
work.
Cheers Linda 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean & Jo 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 
  1:24 PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic 
  floor information
  
  There was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into 
  this: Macalister I think his name was?
  

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie 
CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 
PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: 
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research 
regarding the nuns!  It would be perfect to use that.  I know 
I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a 
strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it.  

Kylie Carberry 
Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 
f: +61 2 42970747

  
  From: Justine Caines 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List 
      Subject: Re: 
  [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 
  2006 20:17:23 +1100Someone 
  here will probably know KylieBut the best research of 
  disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on 
  continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that 
  the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no 
  children!!!There is a book called “Water Works” by someone 
  Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns 
  and other appropriate references in it.  The UK NICE (Nat 
  Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S 
  not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See www.nice.orgAnyone have 
  the Nuns reference??JCXx 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Kylie Carberry]

Hi Linda, 
Yes, I am researching it extensively.  It helps that I am very interested in this topic due to the fact that my nana needed surgery to correct uterine prolapse (I think that's what she had anyway, it wasn't something discussed over Christmas lunch!), and that I have had four good size bubs.  I guess I am curious to see if I should be concerned :)   Anyway, the story is for body and soul in the Sunday Telegraph, sometime later in the year.  All of the stories are online, so I will let you know when it goes in.
cheers
Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747


From: "Bowman Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:01:52 +1000



Kylie, it would be great if you can share your article re: pelvic floor with us when you have published it. It sounds as though you are researching the topic very extensively. Good Luck with your work.
Cheers Linda 

- Original Message - 
From: Dean & Jo 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

There was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: Macalister I think his name was?


-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns!  It would be perfect to use that.  I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it.  
Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747


From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it.  The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit 
on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Bowman Family]

Title: Message



Kylie, it would be great if you can share your 
article re: pelvic floor with us when you have published it. It sounds as though 
you are researching the topic very extensively. Good Luck with your 
work.
Cheers Linda 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  & Jo 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:24 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor 
  information
  
  There was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: 
  Macalister I think his name was?
  

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie 
CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: 
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research 
regarding the nuns!  It would be perfect to use that.  I know I 
can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong 
pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it.  

Kylie Carberry Freelance 
Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 
42970747

  
  From: Justine Caines 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List 
  Subject: Re: 
  [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 
  20:17:23 +1100
  Someone 
  here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving 
  that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas 
  done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced 
  the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There 
  is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a 
  continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references 
  in it.  The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines 
  on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See 
  www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns 
  reference??JCXx -- 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Dean & Jo]

Title: Message



There 
was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: Macalister I 
think his name was?

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie 
  CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic 
  floor information
  
  Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research 
  regarding the nuns!  It would be perfect to use that.  I know I can 
  only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic 
  floor - but I have to include some stuff about it.  
  Kylie Carberry Freelance 
  Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 
  42970747
  

From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List 
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 
+1100
Someone here 
will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that 
type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done 
using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced the same 
rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book 
called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence 
expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. 
 The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S 
have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See 
www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns 
reference??JCXx -- 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Kylie Carberry]

Thank you for that Anncheers
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From: Ann Grieve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:36:45 +1000Dear Kylie You need to talk to Avon Strahle who did some wonderful research on pelvic floors and continence last year. Her emailis as follows: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Ann Grieve
Kylie Carberry wrote:

 Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with some research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic floor exercises.  A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy OB's - that a weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section.  I recall, some time last year, reading an article disproving this theory, but, of course cannot remember where I read it.  If there is anyone who can help me out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me know.  Any other thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Ann Grieve]

Dear Kylie
You need to talk to Avon Strahle who did some wonderful research on
pelvic floors and continence last year. Her emailis as follows:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cheers
Ann Grieve
Kylie Carberry wrote:

 
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with some
research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic floor exercises. 
A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy OB's - that
a weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section.  I
recall, some time last year, reading an article disproving this theory,
but, of course cannot remember where I read it.  If there is anyone
who can help me out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me
know.  Any other thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.
Best wishesKylie Carberry
Freelance Journalist
p: +61 2 42970115
m: +61 2 418220638
f: +61 2 42970747
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Kylie Carberry]

I found the research easy, Justine, just by adding 'nuns' to the google search along with 'pelvic floor' :)
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From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100
Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it.  The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Kylie Carberry]

Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns!  It would be perfect to use that.  I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it.  
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From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100
Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it.  The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Justine Caines]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information



Someone here will probably know Kylie

But the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continence
Was done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!

There is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it.  The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See www.nice.org
Anyone have the Nuns reference??

JC
Xx

RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[adamnamy]

I recall reading something in the Australian
and New Zealand Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology mid last year about
pelvic floor and what actually does the damage.  You could try a search- Odd
place though it might seem to find supportive information.

Good Luck,

Amy

 

 









From:
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On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006
1:33 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] pelvic
floor information



 




Hi All,

I was
wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with some research I am
doing for a story on the importance of pelvic floor exercises.  A lot of
women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy OB's - that a weakened
pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section.  I recall, some time
last year, reading an article disproving this theory, but, of course cannot
remember where I read it.  If there is anyone who can help me
out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me know.  Any other
thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.

Best
wishes



Kylie Carberry 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Vedrana Valčić]

I think there was some research that c-section does not prevent incontinence, 
as previously thought. Would that be of any help, Kylie?

Vedrana

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:25 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

Skipping isn't bad either if you don't have a trampoline on tap.

cheers
Judy

--- Megan & Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ideally we all can benefit from pelvis floor excercises,
> including men.
>  
> My dad had his prostate removed recently for cancer and I told
> him to start
> and excercise his pelvic floor pre-surgery to help with his
> recovery. He
> told his specialist what I said and he thought it was an
> excellent idea.
> Interestingly my Dad noticed improvement with his "weeing"
> just from this
> and did have a good recovery.
>  
> Anyway, just my two bits,
>  
> Megan
>  
> PS trampolines are an excellent way to find out how strong
> your pelvic floor
> is, or isn't as you may find out. Hehehehe
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Kylie Carberry
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:03 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction
> with some
> research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic
> floor exercises.
> A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy
> OB's - that a
> weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section. 
> I recall,
> some time last year, reading an article disproving this
> theory, but, of
> course cannot remember where I read it.  If there is anyone
> who can help me
> out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me know.
>  Any other
> thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> 
> Kylie Carberry 
> Freelance Journalist 
> p: +61 2 42970115 
> m: +61 2 418220638 
> f: +61 2 42970747
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RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Judy Chapman]

Skipping isn't bad either if you don't have a trampoline on tap.

cheers
Judy

--- Megan & Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ideally we all can benefit from pelvis floor excercises,
> including men.
>  
> My dad had his prostate removed recently for cancer and I told
> him to start
> and excercise his pelvic floor pre-surgery to help with his
> recovery. He
> told his specialist what I said and he thought it was an
> excellent idea.
> Interestingly my Dad noticed improvement with his "weeing"
> just from this
> and did have a good recovery.
>  
> Anyway, just my two bits,
>  
> Megan
>  
> PS trampolines are an excellent way to find out how strong
> your pelvic floor
> is, or isn't as you may find out. Hehehehe
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Kylie Carberry
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:03 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction
> with some
> research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic
> floor exercises.
> A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy
> OB's - that a
> weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section. 
> I recall,
> some time last year, reading an article disproving this
> theory, but, of
> course cannot remember where I read it.  If there is anyone
> who can help me
> out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me know.
>  Any other
> thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> 
> Kylie Carberry 
> Freelance Journalist 
> p: +61 2 42970115 
> m: +61 2 418220638 
> f: +61 2 42970747
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> subscribe or
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RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Megan & Larry]

Ideally we all can benefit from pelvis floor excercises, 
including men.
 
My dad had his prostate removed recently for cancer 
and I told him to start and excercise his pelvic floor pre-surgery to help with 
his recovery. He told his specialist what I said and he thought it was an 
excellent idea. Interestingly my Dad noticed improvement with his "weeing" 
just from this and did have a good recovery.
 
Anyway, just my two bits,
 
Megan
 
PS trampolines are an excellent way to find out how strong 
your pelvic floor is, or isn't as you may find out. 
Hehehehe


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie 
CarberrySent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:03 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor 
information


Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with some 
research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic floor 
exercises.  A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy 
OB's - that a weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a 
c-section.  I recall, some time last year, reading an article disproving 
this theory, but, of course cannot remember where I read it.  If there 
is anyone who can help me out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could 
let me know.  Any other thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.
Best wishes
Kylie Carberry Freelance 
Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 
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[ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Kylie Carberry]

Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with some research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic floor exercises.  A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy OB's - that a weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section.  I recall, some time last year, reading an article disproving this theory, but, of course cannot remember where I read it.  If there is anyone who can help me out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me know.  Any other thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.
Best wishes
Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747

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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence

[Glenys Armstrong]

hi Meaghan can you email me with the name and phone number of your friend in
Brisbane who teaches "Pelvic Power"
Thanks Glenys
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[Barbara Glare & Chris Bright]

Scarily, I used to be an English 
teacher.
But should make note to self, don't send anything 
late at night, after brain is switched off
 
:)
 
Barb

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Fiona 
  Rumble 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:49 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / 
  incontinence
  
   
  It's Navratalova.You also masaquered 
  massacre! Did you know you can have spell check on email. Helps us keep a 
  professional image when sending letters to the press etc? Just a friendly 
  suggestion. Cheers,
  Regards Fiona Rumble
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Barbara 
Glare & Chris Bright 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:51 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor 
/ incontinence

Hi,
 
this is just complete trivia, but a while ago 
one of the womens mags had an interview with Martina Navratalova (now I'm 
sure I completely masaquered that, but you know, the tennis player)  At 
48 she still plays international tennis, but has to go to the toilet btwn 
every set - no control.
 
That can't be childbirth
 
Barb
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence

[Fiona Rumble]

 
It's Navratalova.You also masaquered massacre! 
Did you know you can have spell check on email. Helps us keep a professional 
image when sending letters to the press etc? Just a friendly suggestion. 
Cheers,
Regards Fiona Rumble

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barbara 
  Glare & Chris Bright 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:51 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / 
  incontinence
  
  Hi,
   
  this is just complete trivia, but a while ago one 
  of the womens mags had an interview with Martina Navratalova (now I'm sure I 
  completely masaquered that, but you know, the tennis player)  At 48 she 
  still plays international tennis, but has to go to the toilet btwn every set - 
  no control.
   
  That can't be childbirth
   
  Barb
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence

[Birth Centre-MBH]

 
Strange how quick they are to blame women's incontinence on 
childbirth.  What about incontinence in men
 
Michelle
 
 
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/30/05 12:23am 
>>>
Yeah,
There are a lot of women out there who have never birthed 
vaginally who also have poor bladder control. 
Noticed that the gym/squash courts I go to (now owned by a 
nurse and hubby) has info on incontinence on the inside of the toilet doors. One 
good way to get the message out. 
Cheers
Judy>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
29/08/2005 10:51:13 pm >>>
Hi,
 
this is just complete trivia, but a while ago one 
of the womens mags had an interview with Martina Navratalova (now I'm sure I 
completely masaquered that, but you know, the tennis player)  At 48 she 
still plays international tennis, but has to go to the toilet btwn every set - 
no control.
 
That can't be childbirth
 
Barb
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence

[Sonja]

I wonder if you can have concealed 3rd degree tears 
with caesareans as well :)
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:18 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / 
  incontinence
  
  I agree. It's one of themost 
  irritating myths about scheduled c-secs that it doesn't create pelvic 
  floor issues. I have a friend who's had 2 forced c-secs and she has terrible 
  bladder issues.
  J
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Maternity Ward Mareeba 
Hospital 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:23 
AM
    Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor 
/ incontinence

Yeah,
There are a lot of women out there who have never birthed 
vaginally who also have poor bladder control. 
Noticed that the gym/squash courts I go to (now owned by a 
nurse and hubby) has info on incontinence on the inside of the toilet doors. 
One good way to get the message out. 
Cheers
Judy>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/08/2005 
10:51:13 pm >>>
Hi,
 
this is just complete trivia, but a while ago 
one of the womens mags had an interview with Martina Navratalova (now I'm 
sure I completely masaquered that, but you know, the tennis player)  At 
48 she still plays international tennis, but has to go to the toilet btwn 
every set - no control.
 
That can't be childbirth
 
Barb
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence

[Janet Fraser]

I agree. It's one of themost 
irritating myths about scheduled c-secs that it doesn't create pelvic floor 
issues. I have a friend who's had 2 forced c-secs and she has terrible bladder 
issues.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Maternity Ward Mareeba 
  Hospital 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:23 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / 
  incontinence
  
  Yeah,
  There are a lot of women out there who have never birthed 
  vaginally who also have poor bladder control. 
  Noticed that the gym/squash courts I go to (now owned by a 
  nurse and hubby) has info on incontinence on the inside of the toilet doors. 
  One good way to get the message out. 
  Cheers
  Judy>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/08/2005 
  10:51:13 pm >>>
  Hi,
   
  this is just complete trivia, but a while ago one 
  of the womens mags had an interview with Martina Navratalova (now I'm sure I 
  completely masaquered that, but you know, the tennis player)  At 48 she 
  still plays international tennis, but has to go to the toilet btwn every set - 
  no control.
   
  That can't be childbirth
   
  Barb
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence

[Päivi]

Wow, that sounds so interesting! I have a history as a dancer and I am 
opening a dancestudio in six months time. We are also aiming to provide 
different classes for moms and babies before and after birth. "Pelvic Power" 
sound like a hit. We are also working on a class for prenatal exercise in 
latino music... so any ideas of specific movements and exercises are 
welcome. I will be holidaying in Oz Oct-Dec. Sounds like I need to visit 
Brisbane and meet your friend. Does she have a website?


Paivi
Maternity store owner / childbirth educator, Finland


- Original Message - 
From: "Meaghan Moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence


Pilates is great for ab/back and pelvic floor strengthening!  Have any of 
you been to a Feldenkrais Pelvic Power workshop?  I highly recommend it. 
You may be able to find more info by searching the internet for either 
"Pelvic Power" or "Feldenkrais.  I have a friend in Brisbane who teaches 
it.  It should be compulsory for all women!!!


Meaghan


At 07:24 AM 8/29/05, you wrote:
Hi - I have recently returned to the list after several years absence.  I 
am interested in the discussion sparked by Sue following her visit to the 
incontinence clinic.  I have had some conversations recently with a physio 
who specialises in pilates and has a specific interest in pelvic floor 
function.  I had assumed that the increase in incontinence pad advertising 
was aimed at an older or elderly age group but apparently she is seeing a 
significant portion of her practice being young (seemingly) fit women 
after their first babies who are suffering from incontinence. She feels 
that this is a problem that has been hidden or taken as normal by women 
and perhaps as a "normal" consequence of childbirth.  I bought a booklet 
called Women's Waterworks by Dr Pauline Chiarelli which quotes that36% of 
women over 45 suffer incontinence and apparently 60%of all nursing home 
admissions are due to incontinence.  This little booklet is aimed at 
teaching women how to regain bladder control and goes  into detail about 
the role of hormones and various muscle groups in the contraction of the 
bladder and pelvic floor.  I found it well written and informative.
Anyway my take on the whole issue is that the majority of people are now 
very sedentary compared to our previous history and also use furniture and 
sitting toilets.  I don't think these things can be good for your pelvic 
floor.  I don't believe forceps or epidurals or instructed pushing can be 
good either.  I think it probably takes much more effort to keep this part 
of our body healthy in this age of TV and couches than most of us realise 
and so the consequence is that it becomes weak following the physical, 
hormonal and neurological changes following childbirth.  I am thinking now 
that perhaps "are you doing your pelvic floor exercises?" needs to be an 
issue that I spend a lot more time on in education and follow-up.

Maxine



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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence

[Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital]

Yeah,
There are a lot of women out there who have never birthed 
vaginally who also have poor bladder control. 
Noticed that the gym/squash courts I go to (now owned by a 
nurse and hubby) has info on incontinence on the inside of the toilet doors. One 
good way to get the message out. 
Cheers
Judy>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/08/2005 10:51:13 pm >>>
Hi,
 
this is just complete trivia, but a while ago one 
of the womens mags had an interview with Martina Navratalova (now I'm sure I 
completely masaquered that, but you know, the tennis player)  At 48 she 
still plays international tennis, but has to go to the toilet btwn every set - 
no control.
 
That can't be childbirth
 
Barb
 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence

[Meaghan Moon]

Pilates is great for ab/back and pelvic floor strengthening!  Have any of 
you been to a Feldenkrais Pelvic Power workshop?  I highly recommend 
it.  You may be able to find more info by searching the internet for either 
"Pelvic Power" or "Feldenkrais.  I have a friend in Brisbane who teaches 
it.  It should be compulsory for all women!!!


Meaghan


At 07:24 AM 8/29/05, you wrote:
Hi - I have recently returned to the list after several years absence.  I 
am interested in the discussion sparked by Sue following her visit to the 
incontinence clinic.  I have had some conversations recently with a physio 
who specialises in pilates and has a specific interest in pelvic floor 
function.  I had assumed that the increase in incontinence pad advertising 
was aimed at an older or elderly age group but apparently she is seeing a 
significant portion of her practice being young (seemingly) fit women 
after their first babies who are suffering from incontinence. She feels 
that this is a problem that has been hidden or taken as normal by women 
and perhaps as a "normal" consequence of childbirth.  I bought a booklet 
called Women's Waterworks by Dr Pauline Chiarelli which quotes that36% of 
women over 45 suffer incontinence and apparently 60%of all nursing home 
admissions are due to incontinence.  This little booklet is aimed at 
teaching women how to regain bladder control and goes  into detail about 
the role of hormones and various muscle groups in the contraction of the 
bladder and pelvic floor.  I found it well written and informative.
Anyway my take on the whole issue is that the majority of people are now 
very sedentary compared to our previous history and also use furniture and 
sitting toilets.  I don't think these things can be good for your pelvic 
floor.  I don't believe forceps or epidurals or instructed pushing can be 
good either.  I think it probably takes much more effort to keep this part 
of our body healthy in this age of TV and couches than most of us realise 
and so the consequence is that it becomes weak following the physical, 
hormonal and neurological changes following childbirth.  I am thinking now 
that perhaps "are you doing your pelvic floor exercises?" needs to be an 
issue that I spend a lot more time on in education and follow-up.

Maxine



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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence

[Barbara Glare & Chris Bright]

Hi,
 
this is just complete trivia, but a while ago one 
of the womens mags had an interview with Martina Navratalova (now I'm sure I 
completely masaquered that, but you know, the tennis player)  At 48 she 
still plays international tennis, but has to go to the toilet btwn every set - 
no control.
 
That can't be childbirth
 
Barb
 

[ozmidwifery] pelvic floor / incontinence

[Maxine Wilson]

Hi - I have recently returned to the list 
after several years absence.  I am interested in the discussion sparked by 
Sue following her visit to the incontinence clinic.  I have had some 
conversations recently with a physio who specialises in pilates and has a 
specific interest in pelvic floor function.  I had assumed that the 
increase in incontinence pad advertising was aimed at an older or elderly age 
group but apparently she is seeing a significant portion of her practice being 
young (seemingly) fit women after their first babies who are suffering from 
incontinence. She feels that this is a problem that has been hidden or 
taken as normal by women and perhaps as a "normal" consequence of 
childbirth.  I bought a booklet called Women's Waterworks by Dr Pauline 
Chiarelli which quotes that36% of women over 45 suffer incontinence and 
apparently 60%of all nursing home admissions are due to 
incontinence.  This little booklet is aimed at teaching women how to 
regain bladder control and goes  into detail about the role of hormones and 
various muscle groups in the contraction of the bladder and pelvic floor.  
I found it well written and informative.
Anyway my take on the whole issue is that 
the majority of people are now very sedentary compared to our previous history 
and also use furniture and sitting toilets.  I don't think these things can 
be good for your pelvic floor.  I don't believe forceps or epidurals or 
instructed pushing can be good either.  I think it probably takes much more 
effort to keep this part of our body healthy in this age of TV and couches than 
most of us realise and so the consequence is that it becomes weak following the 
physical, hormonal and neurological changes following childbirth.  I am 
thinking now that perhaps "are you doing your pelvic floor exercises?" needs to 
be an issue that I spend a lot more time on in education and follow-up.  
 
Maxine

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems

[Judy Chapman]

Kirsten, 
The url is there, just not linked. Cut and paste into a browser
address box and hit enter. 
Judy
 --- Kirsten Wohlt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Hi Leanne,
> 
> There doesn't seem to have been a link to the article..would
> be very interested to see it!
> 
> Kirsten
> 
> 
> leanne wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > I thought this article may be of interest - it certainly
> supports Michle
> > Odent's contention that if a woman cant push out her baby
> herself she
> > should
> > be given a C/S due to the damage that is done through
> instrumental 
> > deliveries.
> > www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488178
> > 
> > Leanne Wynne
> > Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
> > Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862
> > 
> >
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems

[Graham and Helen]

I have been having similar troubles with our antivirus protector.  What 
particular part of the antivirus program do you have to disable to allow 
your usual software to be opened.  Or do you have to go into the control 
panel.I know this is off the subject but it seems to come up a fair bit 
on the list.
Thanks for any advice

Helen C
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems


I found the page as per link.
Sunday, I downloaded the new Windows XP SP2 update that put up its own
firewall as part of the package. I was unable to do anything including
banking on line, yahoo games and opening links like these. I quickly
removed this update as I have a good virus buster in VET. Could this be
a problem for people in recent days? Just a thought.
Cheers Barb
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Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 3:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems

Hi Leanne,
There doesn't seem to have been a link to the article..would be very
interested to see it!
Kirsten
leanne wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi All,
I thought this article may be of interest - it certainly supports
Michle Odent's contention that if a woman cant push out her baby
herself she should be given a C/S due to the damage that is done
through instrumental deliveries.
www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488178
Leanne Wynne
Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems

[B & G]

I found the page as per link.
Sunday, I downloaded the new Windows XP SP2 update that put up its own
firewall as part of the package. I was unable to do anything including
banking on line, yahoo games and opening links like these. I quickly
removed this update as I have a good virus buster in VET. Could this be
a problem for people in recent days? Just a thought.
Cheers Barb

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirsten Wohlt
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 3:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems



Hi Leanne,

There doesn't seem to have been a link to the article..would be very
interested to see it!

Kirsten


leanne wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I thought this article may be of interest - it certainly supports 
> Michle Odent's contention that if a woman cant push out her baby 
> herself she should be given a C/S due to the damage that is done 
> through instrumental deliveries.
> www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488178
> 
> Leanne Wynne
> Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
> Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862
> 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems

[Kirsten Wohlt]

Hi Leanne,

There doesn't seem to have been a link to the article..would be very interested to see 
it!

Kirsten


leanne wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I thought this article may be of interest - it certainly supports Michle
> Odent's contention that if a woman cant push out her baby herself she
> should
> be given a C/S due to the damage that is done through instrumental 
> deliveries.
> www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488178
> 
> Leanne Wynne
> Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
> Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862
> 
> _
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> http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp
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[ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems

[leanne wynne]

Hi All,
I thought this article may be of interest - it certainly supports Michle 
Odent's contention that if a woman cant push out her baby herself she should 
be given a C/S due to the damage that is done through instrumental 
deliveries.
www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488178

Leanne Wynne
Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862
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[ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor and the media hysteria

[Trish David]

The artcile in question about nuns and incontinence was quoted by Karen
Guilliland on a Lateline report on 16 Sept 1999 (which I obtained a dub
for for teaching purposes) which was a debate on LUSCS and avoiding
pelvic floor problems. This program was much more balanced, though the
president of RANZCOG of the day, a chap from QLD was a stroppy old coot.
Karen was marvellous in her responses. It seems we will never be free of
this issue. It is also interesting that these same debates about faulty
women's equipment were huge in the 80s and 90s when every second woman
had her uterus ripped out for dysmenorrhoea. Now we have had the
disaster of HRT (surprise, surprise they are now doubting the dubious
benefits heralded only 10 years ago).

Until we are neutered, this fight over our bodies will not go away, I
fear.

Trish



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