Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[Grant and Louise]

   
  In NSW, SIDS and SANDS are a combined organisation since about 
  1999/2000. This is due in large to the decrease in number of SIDS. See 
  their site.
   
  LOUISE
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Tuesday, 27 
  August 2002 12:24:38 PM
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  [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks
   Dear JanIf you are looking for external support 
  networks for this woman, SANDS areTHE best and most appropriate 
  resource for this woman. Their network hasbeen designed specifically 
  for women with this type of loss, SIDS arestarting to dabble in all 
  types of child loss and although they can do agreat deal for parents 
  who lose infants to SIDS, I doubt their effectivenessin this 
  situation.SANDS councellors (who have all experienced similar loss) 
  are able to bewith this woman and her family for as long as they need 
  them. They in factprefer to come in prior to birth in this situation 
  as this assists in theestablishment of the support network which will 
  be so important afterwardsas the family works its way through the 
  grief process.If you are looking for contacts in the south eastern 
  suburbs please give mea callRegardsAlesaAlesa 
  KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne--This 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[P & A Koziol]

Dear Jan
If you are looking for external support networks for this woman, SANDS are
THE best and most appropriate resource for this woman. Their network has
been designed specifically for women with this type of loss, SIDS are
starting to dabble in all types of child loss and although they can do a
great deal for parents who lose infants to SIDS, I doubt their effectiveness
in this situation.
SANDS councellors (who have all experienced similar loss) are able to be
with this woman  and her family for as long as they need them. They in fact
prefer to come in prior to birth in this situation as this assists in the
establishment of the support network which will be so important afterwards
as the family works its way through the grief process.
If you are looking for contacts in the south eastern suburbs please give me
a call
Regards
Alesa

Alesa Koziol
Clinical Midwifery Educator
Melbourne


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Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[lyn kelson]

Dear Jan,
Nothing technical from me, but a thought that this 
woman should be permitted to give her child the birthday that she wants to, not 
only the date but the whole welcoming of this little person.
Love Lyn.
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  From: 
  Debby 
  M 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:55 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 
  weeks
  
  
  
  Jan, 
  
  I have sent you a separate private email with some medical abstracts on it 
  that indicate a higher incident of uterine rupture with induced VBACs - 
  as a VBAC mum I think this is a very good reason not to induce especially if 
  the Mum and family don't want to induce.
  Ref Effective Care in Pregnancy and Childbirth - you can download any or 
  all the chapters from this book as PDF files (printable) from this site:
  http://www.maternitywise.org/guide/
  Debby
  
  
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  >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >Subject: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks 
  >Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:56:42 +1000 
  > 
  >Dear Listers has any one information re waiting for spontaneous 
  labour when 
  >the baby has died in utero at 39 weeks . the woman and her 
  family want to 
  >wait but the medical staff want to induce . 
  >Her last baby was a c/s so this is a VBAC another good reason 
  to wait . 
  >Look forward to answers ASAP 
  >JAN IRELAND 
  > 
  
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[Marijke Eastaugh]

years ago now between the births of my two babies I had a FDIU 
at 20 weeks. I did not realise it until I had U/S after having a very late blood 
test for neuro tube defects.  On U/s it was estimated that the baby had in 
fact probably died 2 or three weeks previous 17-18weeks gestation. My Dr at the 
time ( very homebirth friendly) said it would be best to get the baby out asap 
because of the anticoagultion that starts to occur in the blood. next day I was 
induced and 12 hours later had the baby, tiny as she was in getting the placenta 
I bled like a stuck pig about 1000mls. Felt like crap for quite some time. Don't 
leave it too long. check clotting ability . I'm not sure if the size of the baby 
if it makes a difference?  Love to your couple.

Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[Debby M]

Jan, 

I have sent you a separate private email with some medical abstracts on it that indicate a higher incident of uterine rupture with induced VBACs - as a VBAC mum I think this is a very good reason not to induce especially if the Mum and family don't want to induce.
Ref Effective Care in Pregnancy and Childbirth - you can download any or all the chapters from this book as PDF files (printable) from this site:
http://www.maternitywise.org/guide/
Debby


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>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks 
>Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:56:42 +1000 
> 
>Dear Listers has any one information re waiting for spontaneous labour when 
>the baby has died in utero at 39 weeks . the woman and her family want to 
>wait but the medical staff want to induce . 
>Her last baby was a c/s so this is a VBAC another good reason to wait . 
>Look forward to answers ASAP 
>JAN IRELAND 
> 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[Andrea Bilcliff]

Jan,

Enkin et al write that the decision to induce or wait should be made on psychological
or social (not physical) grounds, and that woman is the best judge of these
and therefore she should make the choice!
"The main advantage of the expectant option is the absence of any need for 
intervention.
The woman can stay at home, and she will avoid procedures that might turn out
to be less effective and more risky than anticipated". Relevant, given her previous
C/S!
They also add that, "By the time that clinically significant alterations in
coagulation mechanisms could arise, the chances are that the birth will have
occurred". 
Thinking of you & your client,
Andrea



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Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[Judy Chapman]

I have a friend who was pregnant last year and the scan showed the baby had cardiac problems not compatable with extrauterine life, even with modern medical care. 
The couple are Christians and believed strongly that the right thing for them to do was to let nature take its course and chose not to be terminated. They had three other children, all normal births, and had a sensative midwife, quiet room etc where they were able to birth in private and just hold their little girl till she died.
So strong. Now expecting again but scans all normal.
Cheers
Judy




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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:01:45 +1000 

It's always been my experience that the woman can wait as long as she likes for spontaneous labour, if she's medically well. The point being that there are loads of reasons why a couple might want to hang onto their little bundle for as long as possible, the main one having time to come to terms with the loss. And secondly, the longer the baby stays in utero, the longer they get to 'keep' ( for want of a better word) it. It's an intensely intimate time that medical staff should not be foisting reasons of conveniency or expediency upon. 
just a few thoughts. 

Robin. 




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Dear Listers has any one information re waiting for spontaneous labour when 
the baby has died in utero at 39 weeks . the woman and her family want to 
wait but the medical staff want to induce . 
Her last baby was a c/s so this is a VBAC another good reason to wait . 
Look forward to answers ASAP 
JAN IRELAND 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[DebSlater]

This is purely personal

I had a friend whose baby die in utero (she befriended me after my own son died after birth).  She waited at least 2 weeks before her baby was born - it was very important to her that her baby was born when it was.

Debbie Slater
Perth, WA

Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[Rhonda]

  When I was at the royal womens hospital in 1993 and Katelyn was born 
  at 27weeks.  My husband had been going out for a smoke as he waited 
  for the week or so while they induced me etc...  So he made a few 
  friends and one fellow was there each day - wife on the ward waiting to go 
  into labour.  She had been told the baby was already dead at 38 or 
  39wks and was admitted for grief but had not gone into labour and did not 
  want to be induced.  I was too sick to take it all in and remember 
  feeling sad for her.  I remember Geoff saying that they had to wait 
  for her to go into labour and then they were going to give her drugs to 
  help her to deal with it and to speed it up.  I am not sure if this 
  was to induce or not - as I said I was sick with PE and not really worried 
  about anyone else.  I know they were wiating though at least until 
  she was ready mentally to deliver.  I do remember that much.
   
  Hope it helps
   
  Rhonda.
   
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  Date: Sunday, August 
  25, 2002 19:54:03
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 
  fdiu at 39 weeks
   
  Dear Listers has any one information re 
  waiting for spontaneous labour whenthe baby has died in utero at 39 
  weeks . the woman and her family want towait but the medical staff 
  want to induce .Her last baby was a c/s so this is a VBAC another good 
  reason to wait .Look forward to answers ASAPJAN IRELAND 
  
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[Lynne Staff]

Mother nature will usually step in and this woman 
will begin her labour and give birth. I think, however, that some 
pracitioners would want to check clotting times over the next few weeks and make 
sure all is OK. I was present for the birth of a stillborn (iufd) recently, 
also a VBAC (after 2 c/s) and this woman's strength was incredible - I 
will never forget the thoughts that she shared with me during her labour 
and birth. To be with a woman and her man through their first labour and third 
birth and to know that the baby will never open his eyes, draw a breath, 
nuzzle at her breast   
 
Immediately afterwards, I had an antenatal class, 
and wonder at how chamelion-like we have to be at times. Within a couple of 
days I was back in the same birthing room working with a couple whose baby I 
knew would be born alive, but remembering back to a few days before - 
the birth of their daughter helped me.
 
I was crying at home the next day and my (10 
yr old)son asked me what was the problem so I told him about the little boy who was born dead. He said his best 
friend's mum had two dead babies, and if they had lived his best 
friend wouldn't have been here. His way of looking at that put things 
back into perspective for me. 
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  From: 
  Julie 
  Clarke 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:21 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 
  weeks 
  
  
  Dear 
  Jan
  I 
  can’t look it up for you because I’ve loaned out my copy of “Guide to 
  Effective Care” by Enkin, Kierse etc but I’ll bet there be 
  something research based in there as to the appropriate care of the woman in 
  this situation.
  That’s 
  what I’d be turning to for info.
  I 
  wonder also if the SIDS assoc would be of any assistance with guidance / 
  recommendations.
  Otherwise 
  if there is no sign of infection my best guess is that there is no good  medical 
  reason to induce, so she is within her rights to refuse the medical treatment. 
  Is her blood pressure ok 
  ?
  hug
   
  
  Julie 
  Clarke
  Childbirth 
  and Parenting Educator
  Transition 
  into Parenthood Classes
  9 
  Withybrook Pl
  Sylvania 
  NSW 2224
  T(02) 
  9544 6441
  F(02) 
  9544 9257
  M. 
  0410 265530
  email  
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  Dear Listers has any one 
  information re waiting for spontaneous labour whenthe baby has died in 
  utero at 39 weeks . the woman and her family want towait but the medical 
  staff want to induce .Her last baby was a c/s so this is a VBAC another 
  good reason to wait .Look forward to answers ASAPJAN IRELAND 
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[Robin Moon]

  
  It's always been my experience that the woman can 
  wait as long as she likes for spontaneous labour, if she's medically well. The 
  point being that there are loads of reasons why a couple might want to hang 
  onto their little bundle for  as long as possible, the main one having 
  time to come to terms with the loss. And secondly, the longer the baby stays 
  in utero, the longer they get to 'keep' ( for want of a better word) it.  It's 
  an intensely intimate time that medical staff should not be foisting reasons 
  of conveniency or expediency upon.
  just a few thoughts.
   
  Robin.
   
   
   
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  Message-From: 
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2002 7:57 
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  Dear Listers has any one 
  information re waiting for spontaneous labour whenthe baby has died in 
  utero at 39 weeks . the woman and her family want towait but the medical 
  staff want to induce .Her last baby was a c/s so this is a VBAC another 
  good reason to wait .Look forward to answers ASAPJAN IRELAND 
  

RE: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[Julie Clarke]

Dear
Jan

I can’t
look it up for you because I’ve loaned out my copy of “Guide to
Effective Care” by Enkin, Kierse
etc but I’ll bet there be something research
based in there as to the appropriate care of the woman in this situation.

That’s
what I’d be turning to for info.

I
wonder also if the SIDS assoc would be of any assistance with guidance /
recommendations.

Otherwise
if there is no sign of infection my best guess is that there is no good  medical
reason to induce, so she is within her rights to refuse the medical treatment.
Is her blood pressure ok ?

hug

 



Julie Clarke

Childbirth and Parenting Educator

Transition into Parenthood Classes

9 Withybrook Pl

Sylvania NSW 2224

T(02) 9544 6441

F(02) 9544 9257

M. 0410 265530

email 
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Dear Listers has any one information
re waiting for spontaneous labour when
the baby has died in utero at 39 weeks . the woman and her family want to
wait but the medical staff want to induce .
Her last baby was a c/s so this is a VBAC another good reason to wait .
Look forward to answers ASAP
JAN IRELAND 

[ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks

[jireland]

Dear Listers has any one information re waiting for 
spontaneous labour whenthe baby has died in utero at 39 weeks . the woman 
and her family want towait but the medical staff want to induce .Her 
last baby was a c/s so this is a VBAC another good reason to wait .Look 
forward to answers ASAPJAN IRELAND