RE: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Julianne McDougall]

Hi to all, My Mum had some sort of "twilight" experience with her 3rd child. She had 
had short uneventful labours apart from this one. There were some "problems" and she 
woke up after the birth. We have found it interesting that that sibling had specific 
learning difficulties and some problems with things like hand-eye co-ordination. 
Needless to say no explanation was forthcoming!

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Denise, i think we have all looked after 'labouring' or birthing women who
do not experience pain as anyone else would know it.  i destinctly remember
one woman who walked into my labour unit at 8cm with a few 'aches' (very
mild 
suprapubic  discomfort with contactions which had benn 15 minly, and became
5minly on arrival at hospital. she was a multi and figured this was labour
because of the regularity. if she had been asleep she would have most likely
slept through them. even her birthing didn't bother her much, although i
agree that she couldn;t have slept through that

love  Bethany 

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Dear Rhonda
when the cervix is fully open the subsequent contractions will involuntarily
push the baby out without extra voluntary effort from the woman whetehr
awake or asleep!I love the stories of women who sleep through labour
naturally??
Denise
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Hmm - Thank you all so much.  Very interesting.  I would have thought that
it would have created problems with bonding and feeding etc - however they
probably promoted bottle feeding too??

I would expect that there would also have been problems with tearing and
rupture etc - just thinking that the woman would have no control or feeling
and so would not really know when to push etc and so it would interfere with
the natural process.  Just my thoughts on it. 

Anyone know why it stopped - I guess it was because of problems but there
would no doubt have been some sort of catalyst to stop it?

Thanks Again
Rhonda 

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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

Queen Voctoria started it. Well, they experimented on her and it was she
that advocated how wonderful it was!
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?


Hi, all of you knowledgable women,

I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law who was born
in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight baby"?  Apparently her mother - who
has passed away now and cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a
natural delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into
hospital on her due day not in labour  - got put to sleep and then woke up
having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now days - i
presume!

She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been done.

Any ideas?

Regards
Rhonda.










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RE: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Neretlis, Bethany]

Denise, i think we have all looked after 'labouring' or birthing women who
do not experience pain as anyone else would know it.  i destinctly remember
one woman who walked into my labour unit at 8cm with a few 'aches' (very
mild 
suprapubic  discomfort with contactions which had benn 15 minly, and became
5minly on arrival at hospital. she was a multi and figured this was labour
because of the regularity. if she had been asleep she would have most likely
slept through them. even her birthing didn't bother her much, although i
agree that she couldn;t have slept through that

love  Bethany 

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From: Denise Hynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 20 June 2003 13:13
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?


Dear Rhonda
when the cervix is fully open the subsequent contractions will involuntarily
push the baby out without extra voluntary effort from the woman whetehr
awake or asleep!I love the stories of women who sleep through labour
naturally??
Denise
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From: Rhonda 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?


Hmm - Thank you all so much.  Very interesting.  I would have thought that
it would have created problems with bonding and feeding etc - however they
probably promoted bottle feeding too??

I would expect that there would also have been problems with tearing and
rupture etc - just thinking that the woman would have no control or feeling
and so would not really know when to push etc and so it would interfere with
the natural process.  Just my thoughts on it. 

Anyone know why it stopped - I guess it was because of problems but there
would no doubt have been some sort of catalyst to stop it?

Thanks Again
Rhonda 

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Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 23:01:09
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

Queen Voctoria started it. Well, they experimented on her and it was she
that advocated how wonderful it was!
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From: Rhonda 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?


Hi, all of you knowledgable women,

I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law who was born
in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight baby"?  Apparently her mother - who
has passed away now and cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a
natural delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into
hospital on her due day not in labour  - got put to sleep and then woke up
having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now days - i
presume!

She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been done.

Any ideas?

Regards
Rhonda.










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Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Elaine Norling]

I suspect the practice of inducing twilight sleep stopped when husbands
started being at biths late 1960's+..I say husbands because partners were
only allowed in later...maybe we have progressed !!


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Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Denise Hynd]

Deb
Negative personal expereinces of the majority of childbearing women and the
people who "care" for them means that our culture is full of the horror of
childbirth and the cycle goes on!
Breaking that cycle is for me why expereince with homebirth midwives who
have positive outcomes is the essence of midwifery
Denise
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?


> Jo
>
> But don't you think that - as in many things - if we don't understand
> something then it can fill us with horrors?  Many women see childbirth
> depicted so horribly and with nothing to compare it with - see those
> depictions as the reality.  It is not until we experience it - either
> through giving birth oureslves or coming into contact with the
> experience directly, e.g. by being with friends or relatives - that we
> can truly understand.
>
> We still have the legacy too - of the 'days of yore' when childbirth
> could be truly horrible, and it did - in many cases - enslave women and
> disempower them.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> Jo & Dean Bainbridge wrote:
> > USA feminists at the  time actually campaigned for its use
> >
> > I find the feminist stance on child birth to be really interesting - as
> > I can not understand why they advocate the rights of women to subject
> > themselves to major surgery to avoid the horrors of labour??  I say
> > 'horrors' as this was the term used when the first and last feminist
> > argued with me against women's rights in child birth.
> > Does anyone have any idea as to why they just don't seem to get it??
> > Jo Bainbridge
> > founding member CARES SA
> > www.cares-sa.org.au <http://www.cares-sa.org.au>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > phone: 08 8388 6918
> > birth with trust, faith & love...
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Marilyn Kleidon <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
> >
> > Hi Rhonda: yes exactly as Mary said a mixture of scopolamine and
> > morphine, quite commonly used in the USA from sometime around 1914
> > until 1940's-1950's when it became less popular. I have met women in
> > the USA in their fifties now who were administered "twilight sleep"
> > as it was called during their labours in the 1960's. So, it hung
> > around in some places for a while. I think it emerged at the turn of
> > the 20th century in Germany was promoted by some doctor there as
> > Mary said for "painless labour" and wealthy women from the USA and
> > presumably other countries would travel to his clinic for their
> > deliveries (which in fact they were). USA feminists at the  time
> > actually campaigned for its use and such advocates along with
> > "innovative" doctors were responsible for its introduction there. So
> > much for consumer demand. Scopolamine of course eliminates memory
> > and morphine, the pain. From all reports labour wards were
> > horrendous places to be when it was commonly used as women would be
> > screaming and were often restrained, although waking with no memory
> > of the nightmare. Some women however liked it. I had a neigbour in
> > Seattle: a lovely woman in her 80's who had had 3 of her 4 babies
> > from the 30's to 40's with twilight sleep and loved it. Others hated
> > it and some women and babies died because of it. Many of the babies
> > were born quite flat and needed resusc. Became quite "normal" at the
> > time. Weird heh?
> >
> > marilyn
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mary Murphy <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
> >
> > Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me
> > that it was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was
> > injected with it it in 1950, against her protests,  for the
> > birth of my sister and nearly died with an anaphylactic shock
> >  

Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Denise Hynd]

Dear Rhonda
when the cervix is fully open the subsequent contractions will 
involuntarily push the baby out without extra voluntary effort from the woman 
whetehr awake or asleep!I love the stories of women who sleep through labour 
naturally??Denise

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  From: 
  Rhonda 
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  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:16 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hmm - Thank you all so much.  Very interesting.  I would 
have thought that it would have created problems with bonding and 
feeding etc - however they probably promoted bottle feeding too??
 
I would expect that there would also have been problems with 
tearing and rupture etc - just thinking that the woman would have no 
control or feeling and so would not really know when to push etc and so 
it would interfere with the natural process.  Just my thoughts on 
it. 
 
Anyone know why it stopped - I guess it was because of problems but 
there would no doubt have been some sort of catalyst to 
stop it?
 
Thanks Again
Rhonda 
 
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18, 2003 23:01:09
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[ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
 
Queen Voctoria started it. Well, they experimented on her and it 
was she that advocated how wonderful it was!

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  From: 
  Rhonda 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 
  7:19 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
 
I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in 
law who was born in the 1940's claims to be a 
"twilight baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed 
away now and cannot explain the reason - had her first child as 
a natural delivery - the second was this weird delivery where 
she went into hospital on her due day not in labour  - 
got put to sleep and then woke up having delivered the baby 
vaginally while asleep or in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done 
now days - i presume!
 
She was curious about how it was done and why it may have 
been done.
 
Any ideas?
 
Regards
Rhonda.
 
 
 

  

  
  



 

  

  
  


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Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[jireland]

Twilight sleep was OMNOPON AND SCOPOLAMINE and the babies survived very 
well I have used it about 25 yrs ago mostly for women having their baby adopted 
or having a stillborn baby they yelled with pain but remember on one leval 
nothing jan 

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  From: 
  Lesley 
  Kuliukas 
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  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:29 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  Rather ironically this was promoted by the feminist movement. It was a 
  German technique adopted by the Americans as a way to emancipate women from 
  the pain of labour and so free them from the sexist burden of childbirth 
  pain.
  Lesley
  .
  
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:00 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
delivery - or twilight baby?

Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me that it 
was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was injected with it it 
in 1950, against her protests,  for the birth of my sister and nearly 
died with an anaphylactic shock reaction. It was a common injection for 
"painless labour".  It was painless alright because women were 
unconcious and sometimes couldn't remember giving birth MM
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  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
      delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
 
I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and 
cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural 
delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into 
hospital on her due day not in labour  - got put to sleep 
and then woke up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or 
in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now 
days - i presume!
 
She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
done.
 
Any ideas?
 
Regards
Rhonda.
 
 
 

  

  
  


  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Marilyn Kleidon]

I think Rhonda that in the USA this was the time period that a Dr. De Lee 
came into his own with episiotomies: wonder of wonders. Forceps were also used 
quite routinely as well as restraint for mothers (amazingly enough they did tend 
to thrash around a fair bit though supposedly not being "in pain". I have read 
in the intro or first chapter of Jean Sutton's book "Optimal Foetal Positioning" 
that despite this, up to 80% of women delivered without operative procedures, 
though this probably did not include episiotomy which had become pretty standard 
at the time. "Twilight sleep" was quite different fom chloroform. I think the 
childbirth education movement of the 50's and 60's in the USA saw the demise of 
the popular use of twilight sleep. Also the American College of Nurse Midwives 
was formed in the mid 1950's (1954 I think) and they were instrumental in 
removing it as a method of  pain relief in many though not all hospitals 
over time. In many ways I think yoiu could say that twilight sleep gave birth to 
the natural childbirth movement and consumer advocacy in childbirth as well as 
homebirth and many of the many forms of midwifery in the USA.
 
marilyn

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  Rhonda 
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  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:16 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hmm - Thank you all so much.  Very interesting.  I would 
have thought that it would have created problems with bonding and 
feeding etc - however they probably promoted bottle feeding too??
 
I would expect that there would also have been problems with 
tearing and rupture etc - just thinking that the woman would have no 
control or feeling and so would not really know when to push etc and so 
it would interfere with the natural process.  Just my thoughts on 
it. 
 
Anyone know why it stopped - I guess it was because of problems but 
there would no doubt have been some sort of catalyst to 
stop it?
 
Thanks Again
Rhonda 
 
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Date: Wednesday, June 
18, 2003 23:01:09
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Subject: Re: 
    [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
 
Queen Voctoria started it. Well, they experimented on her and it 
was she that advocated how wonderful it was!

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  From: 
  Rhonda 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 
  7:19 PM
      Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
 
I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in 
law who was born in the 1940's claims to be a 
"twilight baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed 
away now and cannot explain the reason - had her first child as 
a natural delivery - the second was this weird delivery where 
she went into hospital on her due day not in labour  - 
got put to sleep and then woke up having delivered the baby 
vaginally while asleep or in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done 
now days - i presume!
 
She was curious about how it was done and why it may have 
been done.
 
Any ideas?
 
Regards
Rhonda.
 
 
 

  

  
  



 

  

  
  


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Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Mary Murphy]

 

  
  


  
You are quite right. It probably explains why so many women had so 
many pelvic floor problems, that led to the obstetric "solutions" eg 
episiotomy, to solve an iatrogenic problem that led to incontinence etc 
in later life.  Also the babies were so zonked out they didn't 
breast feed well. 
the effects of this medical intervention is still 
being felt now, especially the medical culture of control of women in 
childbirth.  MM
 
  "I would have thought that it would have created problems 
with bonding and feeding etc - however they probably promoted bottle 
feeding too??
 
I would expect that there would also have been problems with 
tearing and rupture etc" 
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[Denise Hynd]

Dear Jo
Being a feminist does not ensure you make informed decisions!
Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jo 
  & Dean Bainbridge 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:25 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  USA feminists at the  time actually campaigned for 
  its use 
   
  I find the feminist stance on child birth to be really interesting - as I 
  can not understand why they advocate the rights of women to subject themselves 
  to major surgery to avoid the horrors of labour??  I say 'horrors' as 
  this was the term used when the first and last feminist argued with me against 
  women's rights in child birth.
  Does anyone have any idea as to why they just don't seem to get 
it??
  Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAwww.cares-sa.org.au[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 
  6918birth with trust, faith & love...
  
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From: 
Marilyn 
Kleidon 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 
PM
    Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
    delivery - or twilight baby?

Hi Rhonda: yes exactly as Mary said a mixture of scopolamine and 
morphine, quite commonly used in the USA from sometime around 1914 until 
1940's-1950's when it became less popular. I have met women in the USA in 
their fifties now who were administered "twilight sleep" as it was called 
during their labours in the 1960's. So, it hung around in some places for a 
while. I think it emerged at the turn of the 20th century in Germany was 
promoted by some doctor there as Mary said for "painless labour" and wealthy 
women from the USA and presumably other countries would travel to his clinic 
for their deliveries (which in fact they were). USA feminists at 
the  time actually campaigned for its use and such advocates along 
with "innovative" doctors were responsible for its introduction there. So 
much for consumer demand. Scopolamine of course eliminates memory and 
morphine, the pain. From all reports labour wards were horrendous places to 
be when it was commonly used as women would be screaming and were often 
restrained, although waking with no memory of the nightmare. Some women 
however liked it. I had a neigbour in Seattle: a lovely woman in her 80's 
who had had 3 of her 4 babies from the 30's to 40's with twilight sleep and 
loved it. Others hated it and some women and babies died because of it. Many 
of the babies were born quite flat and needed resusc. Became quite "normal" 
at the time. Weird heh?
 
marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
      Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:00 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me that 
  it was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was injected with 
  it it in 1950, against her protests,  for the birth of my sister and 
  nearly died with an anaphylactic shock reaction. It was a common 
  injection for "painless labour".  It was painless alright because 
  women were unconcious and sometimes couldn't remember giving 
  birth MM
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From: 
Rhonda 
    To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
    
        Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
delivery - or twilight baby?


  
  

  Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
   
  I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in 
  law who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
  baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and 
  cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural 
  delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into 
  hospital on her due day not in labour  - got put to 
  sleep and then woke up having delivered the baby vaginally while 
  asleep or in twilight!  
  The next two were normal, natural births.
  Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now 
  days - i presume!
   
  She was curious about how it was done and why it may have 
  been done.
   
  Any ideas?
   
  Regards
  Rhonda.
   
   
   
  

  


  
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Debbie Slater]

Jo

But don't you think that - as in many things - if we don't understand 
something then it can fill us with horrors?  Many women see childbirth 
depicted so horribly and with nothing to compare it with - see those 
depictions as the reality.  It is not until we experience it - either 
through giving birth oureslves or coming into contact with the 
experience directly, e.g. by being with friends or relatives - that we 
can truly understand.

We still have the legacy too - of the 'days of yore' when childbirth 
could be truly horrible, and it did - in many cases - enslave women and 
disempower them.

Debbie



Jo & Dean Bainbridge wrote:
USA feminists at the  time actually campaigned for its use
 
I find the feminist stance on child birth to be really interesting - as 
I can not understand why they advocate the rights of women to subject 
themselves to major surgery to avoid the horrors of labour??  I say 
'horrors' as this was the term used when the first and last feminist 
argued with me against women's rights in child birth.
Does anyone have any idea as to why they just don't seem to get it??
Jo Bainbridge
founding member CARES SA
www.cares-sa.org.au <http://www.cares-sa.org.au>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
phone: 08 8388 6918
birth with trust, faith & love...

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From: Marilyn Kleidon <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
Hi Rhonda: yes exactly as Mary said a mixture of scopolamine and
morphine, quite commonly used in the USA from sometime around 1914
until 1940's-1950's when it became less popular. I have met women in
the USA in their fifties now who were administered "twilight sleep"
as it was called during their labours in the 1960's. So, it hung
around in some places for a while. I think it emerged at the turn of
the 20th century in Germany was promoted by some doctor there as
Mary said for "painless labour" and wealthy women from the USA and
presumably other countries would travel to his clinic for their
deliveries (which in fact they were). USA feminists at the  time
actually campaigned for its use and such advocates along with
"innovative" doctors were responsible for its introduction there. So
much for consumer demand. Scopolamine of course eliminates memory
and morphine, the pain. From all reports labour wards were
horrendous places to be when it was commonly used as women would be
screaming and were often restrained, although waking with no memory
of the nightmare. Some women however liked it. I had a neigbour in
Seattle: a lovely woman in her 80's who had had 3 of her 4 babies
from the 30's to 40's with twilight sleep and loved it. Others hated
it and some women and babies died because of it. Many of the babies
were born quite flat and needed resusc. Became quite "normal" at the
time. Weird heh?
 
marilyn

- Original Message -
From: Mary Murphy <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me
that it was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was
injected with it it in 1950, against her protests,  for the
birth of my sister and nearly died with an anaphylactic shock
reaction. It was a common injection for "painless labour".  It
was painless alright because women were unconcious and sometimes
couldn't remember giving birth MM
 - Original Message -
From: Rhonda <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
 
I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in
law who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight
baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and
cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural
delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went
into hospital on her due day not in labour  - got put to
sleep and then woke up having delivered the baby vaginally
while asleep or in twilight! 
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this prac

Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Rhonda]

  Hmm - Thank you all so much.  Very interesting.  I would 
  have thought that it would have created problems with bonding and feeding 
  etc - however they probably promoted bottle feeding too??
   
  I would expect that there would also have been problems with tearing 
  and rupture etc - just thinking that the woman would have no control or 
  feeling and so would not really know when to push etc and so it would 
  interfere with the natural process.  Just my thoughts on it. 
   
  Anyone know why it stopped - I guess it was because of problems but 
  there would no doubt have been some sort of catalyst to 
stop it?
   
  Thanks Again
  Rhonda 
   
  ---Original Message---
   
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Wednesday, June 
  18, 2003 23:01:09
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: 
  [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
   
  Queen Voctoria started it. Well, they experimented on her and it was 
  she that advocated how wonderful it was!
  
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From: 
Rhonda 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
delivery - or twilight baby?


  
  

  Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
   
  I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in 
  law who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
  baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and 
  cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural 
  delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into 
  hospital on her due day not in labour  - got put to 
  sleep and then woke up having delivered the baby vaginally while 
  asleep or in twilight!  
  The next two were normal, natural births.
  Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now 
  days - i presume!
   
  She was curious about how it was done and why it may have 
  been done.
   
  Any ideas?
   
  Regards
  Rhonda.
   
   
   
  

  


  
  
  
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Denise Hynd]

I also understand that from Queen Victoria into the 50's women in labour 
were given ether and this was called Twilight sleep?Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:00 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me that it 
  was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was injected with it it 
  in 1950, against her protests,  for the birth of my sister and nearly 
  died with an anaphylactic shock reaction. It was a common injection for 
  "painless labour".  It was painless alright because women were unconcious 
  and sometimes couldn't remember giving birth MM
   - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Rhonda 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 
    PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
delivery - or twilight baby?


  

  Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
   
  I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
  who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
  baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and 
  cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural delivery 
  - the second was this weird delivery where she went into hospital on 
  her due day not in labour  - got put to sleep and then woke 
  up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in 
  twilight!  
  The next two were normal, natural births.
  Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now 
  days - i presume!
   
  She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
  done.
   
  Any ideas?
   
  Regards
  Rhonda.
   
   
   
  

  


  
  
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[Kirsten Blacker]

As I understand it Queen Victoria was one of the first to use chloroform 
for labour, which popularised it's use. Twilight sleep used different drugs as 
described by MM
Kirsten Blacker
expat in MN for 15 more days!

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  From: 
  Robin 
  Moon 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:48 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  Queen Voctoria started it. Well, they experimented on her and it was she 
  that advocated how wonderful it was!
  
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From: 
Rhonda 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
delivery - or twilight baby?


  

  Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
   
  I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
  who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
  baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and 
  cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural delivery 
  - the second was this weird delivery where she went into hospital on 
  her due day not in labour  - got put to sleep and then woke 
  up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in 
  twilight!  
  The next two were normal, natural births.
  Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now 
  days - i presume!
   
  She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
  done.
   
  Any ideas?
   
  Regards
  Rhonda.
   
   
   
  

  


  
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Robin Moon]

Queen Voctoria started it. Well, they experimented on her and it was she 
that advocated how wonderful it was!

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  From: 
  Rhonda 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery 
  - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
 
I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and cannot 
explain the reason - had her first child as a natural delivery - the 
second was this weird delivery where she went into hospital on her due 
day not in labour  - got put to sleep and then woke up having 
delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now days 
- i presume!
 
She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
done.
 
Any ideas?
 
Regards
Rhonda.
 
 
 

  

  
  


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Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Lesley Kuliukas]

Rather ironically this was promoted by the feminist movement. It was a 
German technique adopted by the Americans as a way to emancipate women from the 
pain of labour and so free them from the sexist burden of childbirth pain.
Lesley
.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:00 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me that it 
  was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was injected with it it 
  in 1950, against her protests,  for the birth of my sister and nearly 
  died with an anaphylactic shock reaction. It was a common injection for 
  "painless labour".  It was painless alright because women were unconcious 
  and sometimes couldn't remember giving birth MM
   - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Rhonda 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
    delivery - or twilight baby?


  

  Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
   
  I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
  who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
  baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and 
  cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural delivery 
  - the second was this weird delivery where she went into hospital on 
  her due day not in labour  - got put to sleep and then woke 
  up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in 
  twilight!  
  The next two were normal, natural births.
  Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now 
  days - i presume!
   
  She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
  done.
   
  Any ideas?
   
  Regards
  Rhonda.
   
   
   
  

  


  
  
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[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

Actually! Come to think of it, to avoid twilight sleep was one of the 
reasons why my g.mother birthed all of her children at home.  Her other 
reasons included not wanting anyone from the hospital to steal her babies, and 
the other was as she said "it was during the war love, in London, and even 
though the Germans were not meant to bomb hospitals, you just couldn't trust 
em!"
gotta love her!  five kids born at home on a third floor flat in the 
middle of London with hubby in service and bombs falling.  She recalls 
quite vividly the "doodle bug" bombs whilst in labour with my mum!
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAwww.cares-sa.org.au[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 
6918birth with trust, faith & love...

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marilyn 
  Kleidon 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  Hi Rhonda: yes exactly as Mary said a mixture of scopolamine and 
  morphine, quite commonly used in the USA from sometime around 1914 until 
  1940's-1950's when it became less popular. I have met women in the USA in 
  their fifties now who were administered "twilight sleep" as it was called 
  during their labours in the 1960's. So, it hung around in some places for a 
  while. I think it emerged at the turn of the 20th century in Germany was 
  promoted by some doctor there as Mary said for "painless labour" and wealthy 
  women from the USA and presumably other countries would travel to his clinic 
  for their deliveries (which in fact they were). USA feminists at 
  the  time actually campaigned for its use and such advocates along 
  with "innovative" doctors were responsible for its introduction there. So much 
  for consumer demand. Scopolamine of course eliminates memory and morphine, the 
  pain. From all reports labour wards were horrendous places to be when it was 
  commonly used as women would be screaming and were often restrained, although 
  waking with no memory of the nightmare. Some women however liked it. I had a 
  neigbour in Seattle: a lovely woman in her 80's who had had 3 of her 4 babies 
  from the 30's to 40's with twilight sleep and loved it. Others hated it and 
  some women and babies died because of it. Many of the babies were born quite 
  flat and needed resusc. Became quite "normal" at the time. Weird heh?
   
  marilyn
  
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From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

    Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:00 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
delivery - or twilight baby?

Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me that it 
was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was injected with it it 
in 1950, against her protests,  for the birth of my sister and nearly 
died with an anaphylactic shock reaction. It was a common injection for 
"painless labour".  It was painless alright because women were 
unconcious and sometimes couldn't remember giving birth MM
 - Original Message - 

  From: 
  Rhonda 
      To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
      
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
 
I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and 
cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural 
delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into 
hospital on her due day not in labour  - got put to sleep 
and then woke up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or 
in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now 
days - i presume!
 
She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
done.
 
Any ideas?
 
Regards
Rhonda.
 
 
 

  

  
  


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[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

USA feminists at the  time actually campaigned for its 
use 
 
I find the feminist stance on child birth to be really interesting - as I 
can not understand why they advocate the rights of women to subject themselves 
to major surgery to avoid the horrors of labour??  I say 'horrors' as this 
was the term used when the first and last feminist argued with me against 
women's rights in child birth.
Does anyone have any idea as to why they just don't seem to get it??
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAwww.cares-sa.org.au[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 
6918birth with trust, faith & love...

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marilyn 
  Kleidon 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  Hi Rhonda: yes exactly as Mary said a mixture of scopolamine and 
  morphine, quite commonly used in the USA from sometime around 1914 until 
  1940's-1950's when it became less popular. I have met women in the USA in 
  their fifties now who were administered "twilight sleep" as it was called 
  during their labours in the 1960's. So, it hung around in some places for a 
  while. I think it emerged at the turn of the 20th century in Germany was 
  promoted by some doctor there as Mary said for "painless labour" and wealthy 
  women from the USA and presumably other countries would travel to his clinic 
  for their deliveries (which in fact they were). USA feminists at 
  the  time actually campaigned for its use and such advocates along 
  with "innovative" doctors were responsible for its introduction there. So much 
  for consumer demand. Scopolamine of course eliminates memory and morphine, the 
  pain. From all reports labour wards were horrendous places to be when it was 
  commonly used as women would be screaming and were often restrained, although 
  waking with no memory of the nightmare. Some women however liked it. I had a 
  neigbour in Seattle: a lovely woman in her 80's who had had 3 of her 4 babies 
  from the 30's to 40's with twilight sleep and loved it. Others hated it and 
  some women and babies died because of it. Many of the babies were born quite 
  flat and needed resusc. Became quite "normal" at the time. Weird heh?
   
  marilyn
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:00 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
delivery - or twilight baby?

Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me that it 
was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was injected with it it 
in 1950, against her protests,  for the birth of my sister and nearly 
died with an anaphylactic shock reaction. It was a common injection for 
"painless labour".  It was painless alright because women were 
unconcious and sometimes couldn't remember giving birth MM
 - Original Message - 

  From: 
  Rhonda 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
      
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
 
I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and 
cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural 
delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into 
hospital on her due day not in labour  - got put to sleep 
and then woke up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or 
in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now 
days - i presume!
 
She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
done.
 
Any ideas?
 
Regards
Rhonda.
 
 
 

  

  
  


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[Graham & Helen]

I think it was chlorophyll inhaled?  not sure.
 
Helen

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  From: 
  Rhonda 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery 
  - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
 
I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and cannot 
explain the reason - had her first child as a natural delivery - the 
second was this weird delivery where she went into hospital on her due 
day not in labour  - got put to sleep and then woke up having 
delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now days 
- i presume!
 
She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
done.
 
Any ideas?
 
Regards
Rhonda.
 
 
 

  

  
  


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[Marilyn Kleidon]

Hi Rhonda: yes exactly as Mary said a mixture of scopolamine and morphine, 
quite commonly used in the USA from sometime around 1914 until 1940's-1950's 
when it became less popular. I have met women in the USA in their fifties now 
who were administered "twilight sleep" as it was called during their labours in 
the 1960's. So, it hung around in some places for a while. I think it emerged at 
the turn of the 20th century in Germany was promoted by some doctor there as 
Mary said for "painless labour" and wealthy women from the USA and presumably 
other countries would travel to his clinic for their deliveries (which in fact 
they were). USA feminists at the  time actually campaigned 
for its use and such advocates along with "innovative" doctors were responsible 
for its introduction there. So much for consumer demand. Scopolamine of course 
eliminates memory and morphine, the pain. From all reports labour wards were 
horrendous places to be when it was commonly used as women would be screaming 
and were often restrained, although waking with no memory of the nightmare. Some 
women however liked it. I had a neigbour in Seattle: a lovely woman in her 80's 
who had had 3 of her 4 babies from the 30's to 40's with twilight sleep and 
loved it. Others hated it and some women and babies died because of it. Many of 
the babies were born quite flat and needed resusc. Became quite "normal" at the 
time. Weird heh?
 
marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:00 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
  delivery - or twilight baby?
  
  Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me that it 
  was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was injected with it it 
  in 1950, against her protests,  for the birth of my sister and nearly 
  died with an anaphylactic shock reaction. It was a common injection for 
  "painless labour".  It was painless alright because women were unconcious 
  and sometimes couldn't remember giving birth MM
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From: 
Rhonda 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
    
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight 
delivery - or twilight baby?


  

  Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
   
  I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
  who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
  baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and 
  cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural delivery 
  - the second was this weird delivery where she went into hospital on 
  her due day not in labour  - got put to sleep and then woke 
  up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in 
  twilight!  
  The next two were normal, natural births.
  Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now 
  days - i presume!
   
  She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
  done.
   
  Any ideas?
   
  Regards
  Rhonda.
   
   
   
  

  


  
  
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[Dierdre Bowman]

Thanks for that info Mary. That is really 
interesting. Sounds dreadfull but things are that great today, just 
different.
Dierdre

Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Dierdre Bowman]

Yes, I remember my mother talking about twighlight 
sleep. Don't know what the drug was but it sort of made women feel almost 
unconscious but yet still aware they were having a baby. If anyone knows more 
about the drug I would like to hear about it also.
Dierdre

Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?

[Mary Murphy]

Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me that it was 
a mixture of morphine and scopolamine.  she was injected with it it in 
1950, against her protests,  for the birth of my sister and nearly died 
with an anaphylactic shock reaction. It was a common injection for 
"painless labour".  It was painless alright because women were unconcious 
and sometimes couldn't remember giving birth MM
 - Original Message - 

  From: 
  Rhonda 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery 
  - or twilight baby?
  
  


  
Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
 
I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight 
baby"?  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and cannot 
explain the reason - had her first child as a natural delivery - the 
second was this weird delivery where she went into hospital on her due 
day not in labour  - got put to sleep and then woke up having 
delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in twilight!  
The next two were normal, natural births.
Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now days 
- i presume!
 
She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
done.
 
Any ideas?
 
Regards
Rhonda.
 
 
 

  

  
  


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[Rhonda]

  Hi, all of you knowledgable women,
   
  I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law 
  who was born in the 1940's claims to be a "twilight baby"?  
  Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and cannot explain the 
  reason - had her first child as a natural delivery - the second was this 
  weird delivery where she went into hospital on her due day not in 
  labour  - got put to sleep and then woke up having delivered the 
  baby vaginally while asleep or in twilight!  
  The next two were normal, natural births.
  Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now days - 
  i presume!
   
  She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been 
  done.
   
  Any ideas?
   
  Regards
  Rhonda.
   
   
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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