Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins
Hi again Yvette and others, These babies weren't identical at all, although by ultrasound they were monochorionic diamniotic twins. My twins book says all monochorionic are identical so I am confused. My guidelines for twins at home have always been first baby head down, of even size and 37 weeks plus. This is the fourth set I have had prime care of - all have arrived head/head, after 37 weeks and pretty even in size. I am sure that setting clear guidelines to all involved makes a huge difference. Perhaps I sure try a time guideline as well!! This mum had an early u/sound, then chose to have another at 35 weeks to check for above criteria. (Totally her choice tho as I was quite clear of their position). The placenta, as attached, was very round - not obviously fused, but had a very thick fusion of membranes running down the centre. The cords were very different in size and length, and the placenta on baby#1 side was thick, and on baby#2 was thin and different coloured. I can't answer the question about the cervix - I only checked once and that was purely to stop my hair going greyer whilst I worried about position - I really didn't want a shoulder presentation... The assessment I did was about 5 hours after baby #1 and the cervix was nearly fully dilated. I guess I felt it was probably always at about that dilation. The contractions really didn't stop completely at any time, just weren't so strong for many hours, and definitely picked up in intensity whilst and after breastfeeding. The books say the intensity changes with the stretching and pressure of the presenting part coming into the vagina, so although she didn't exhibit transitional symptoms for all those hours, I think her cervix probably didn't alter much, but others may know more... As far as sharing the placenta goes, watching the mother's uterus reform around the second baby and placenta was pretty amazing and very obvious. It no doubt helped her uterine muscles to contract to the right size for the remaining one baby and large placenta. After baby # 2 was born, it then had less effort to contract again to expel the placenta whihc it did very efficiently, with minimal blood loss. I can imagine a very different scenario if baby # 2 was either forced through by oxytocin if her labour wasn't considered effective enough, or membranes broken and baby extracted by the end of the first hour ( or have we heard a much lesser time allowed between first and second babies?). This management would surely predispose a big bleed considering the enormous effort the uterus would have to make to contract quickly down around the now empty uterus always much to learn with every birth. Justine, you're amazing!! We'll look forward to your amazing story unfolding over the months. Just remember to really rest up and eat and drink well. Optimum health is a must for twins. Yvette, birth is a truly amazing journey each time. Birthing two can be a simple as one if you believe, prepare and have a solid team around you. Good luck and you are welcome to email me privately. I have attempted to post some pictures of the twins and their placenta, but it isn't working. I'll get my son onto it! Sue
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As I sit here with tears streaming, I just cant help but reply and thank you so much Sue for sharing this wonderful positive twin birth. I have in my 4 short years as a midwife, been involved with two women with twin pregnancies, and although both of them were fit, healthy, had great sized babies in good positions, were positive about birth, etc, the list goes on, unfortunately the outcomes for them were quite devastating, both with problems with twin#2. I have tried since then to remain positive and open minded about the possibility of twins being born vaginally, well and healthy, but my confidence in them being born at home has been completely shattered by these unfortunate experiences, by which Ive been deeply saddened. My colleague and I are now caring for a woman we have birthed with before who has twins this time, and I know that deep down in her heart she wants to birth at home, but neither of us can quite get the fear of our previous experiences out of the way in helping her to make the right decision for her. Your account of this birth has reinvigorated my quest to regain that faith and trust in birth. Thank you for that. Tania x From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Sue Cookson Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 5:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Hi again Yvette and others, These babies weren't identical at all, although by ultrasound they were monochorionic diamniotic twins. My twins book says all monochorionic are identical so I am confused. My guidelines for twins at home have always been first baby head down, of even size and 37 weeks plus. This is the fourth set I have had prime care of - all have arrived head/head, after 37 weeks and pretty even in size. I am sure that setting clear guidelines to all involved makes a huge difference. Perhaps I sure try a time guideline as well!! This mum had an early u/sound, then chose to have another at 35 weeks to check for above criteria. (Totally her choice tho as I was quite clear of their position). The placenta, as attached, was very round - not obviously fused, but had a very thick fusion of membranes running down the centre. The cords were very different in size and length, and the placenta on baby#1 side was thick, and on baby#2 was thin and different coloured. I can't answer the question about the cervix - I only checked once and that was purely to stop my hair going greyer whilst I worried about position - I really didn't want a shoulder presentation... The assessment I did was about 5 hours after baby #1 and the cervix was nearly fully dilated. I guess I felt it was probably always at about that dilation. The contractions really didn't stop completely at any time, just weren't so strong for many hours, and definitely picked up in intensity whilst and after breastfeeding. The books say the intensity changes with the stretching and pressure of the presenting part coming into the vagina, so although she didn't exhibit transitional symptoms for all those hours, I think her cervix probably didn't alter much, but others may know more... As far as sharing the placenta goes, watching the mother's uterus reform around the second baby and placenta was pretty amazing and very obvious. It no doubt helped her uterine muscles to contract to the right size for the remaining one baby and large placenta. After baby # 2 was born, it then had less effort to contract again to expel the placenta whihc it did very efficiently, with minimal blood loss. I can imagine a very different scenario if baby # 2 was either forced through by oxytocin if her labour wasn't considered effective enough, or membranes broken and baby extracted by the end of the first hour ( or have we heard a much lesser time allowed between first and second babies?). This management would surely predispose a big bleed considering the enormous effort the uterus would have to make to contract quickly down around the now empty uterus always much to learn with every birth. Justine, you're amazing!! We'll look forward to your amazing story unfolding over the months. Just remember to really rest up and eat and drink well. Optimum health is a must for twins. Yvette, birth is a truly amazing journey each time. Birthing two can be a simple as one if you believe, prepare and have a solid team around you. Good luck and you are welcome to email me privately. I have attempted to post some pictures of the twins and their placenta, but it isn't working. I'll get my son onto it! Sue
RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins
The last twin birth that I had the misfortune to be involved with was a few years ago. I had caught the first babe and the woman had been talked into all the interventions that you all know about. Then the OB (fairly obviously playing up to the crowd!) did an ARM with the second twin nowhere near the cx, could not bring a pole down, CTC plummeted and we had an emergency CS on our hands. Poor dad was left holding twin 1 as we raced away to OR. Baby was ok but I know in my heart that all that drama was not necessary. I tried to debrief them a little but the OB had 'saved' the baby. Cheers Judy --- Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M limited observations of twins born in hospitals is that the drs try to manipulate the 2nd twin and cause problems in that way. I have only assisted at 3 sets of twins. one set born at home and two in low level hospitals. They were all born fine without manipulation by me, the drs outside the door of the labour room. Two at 38 weeks and one set at 401weeks. Leave them alone, they birth fine without intervention. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania Smallwood Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 5:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins As I sit here with tears streaming, I just can't help but reply and thank you so much Sue for sharing this wonderful positive twin birth. I have in my 4 short years as a midwife, been involved with two women with twin pregnancies, and although both of them were fit, healthy, had great sized babies in good positions, were positive about birth, etc, the list goes on, unfortunately the outcomes for them were quite devastating, both with problems with twin#2. I have tried since then to remain positive and open minded about the possibility of twins being born vaginally, well and healthy, but my confidence in them being born at home has been completely shattered by these unfortunate experiences, by which I've been deeply saddened. My colleague and I are now caring for a woman we have birthed with before who has twins this time, and I know that deep down in her heart she wants to birth at home, but neither of us can quite get the fear of our previous experiences out of the way in helping her to make the right decision for her. Your account of this birth has reinvigorated my quest to regain that faith and trust in birth. Thank you for that. Tania x _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Cookson Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 5:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Hi again Yvette and others, These babies weren't identical at all, although by ultrasound they were monochorionic diamniotic twins. My twins book says all monochorionic are identical so I am confused. My guidelines for twins at home have always been first baby head down, of even size and 37 weeks plus. This is the fourth set I have had prime care of - all have arrived head/head, after 37 weeks and pretty even in size. I am sure that setting clear guidelines to all involved makes a huge difference. Perhaps I sure try a time guideline as well!! This mum had an early u/sound, then chose to have another at 35 weeks to check for above criteria. (Totally her choice tho as I was quite clear of their position). The placenta, as attached, was very round - not obviously fused, but had a very thick fusion of membranes running down the centre. The cords were very different in size and length, and the placenta on baby#1 side was thick, and on baby#2 was thin and different coloured. I can't answer the question about the cervix - I only checked once and that was purely to stop my hair going greyer whilst I worried about position - I really didn't want a shoulder presentation... The assessment I did was about 5 hours after baby #1 and the cervix was nearly fully dilated. I guess I felt it was probably always at about that dilation. The contractions really didn't stop completely at any time, just weren't so strong for many hours, and definitely picked up in intensity whilst and after breastfeeding. The books say the intensity changes with the stretching and pressure of the presenting part coming into the vagina, so although she didn't exhibit transitional symptoms for all those hours, I think her cervix probably didn't alter much, but others may know more... As far as sharing the placenta goes, watching the mother's uterus reform around the second baby and placenta was pretty amazing and very obvious. It no doubt helped her uterine muscles to contract to the right size for the remaining one baby and large placenta. After baby # 2 was born, it then had less effort to contract again to expel the placenta whihc it did very efficiently, with minimal blood loss. I can
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins - Justine
Congrats on your twins Justine! How far along are you? How did you find out you were carrying twins? Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Dear Sue and all What a story! Great work to you and the wonderful Mum I have recently found I am too carrying twins (babe 5 and 6!) Paul is off for a vasectomy shortly after!!! I have read quite a few stories. I refuse to read Hosp managed stories as they are so medicalised and will scare me witless. I have read so many good HB twin stories of babies born at term great sizes and healthy. I went to see a believing Ob (only because I have no faith in local GP's and my midwife is hours away!) and he said if you grow good size babies the risk to twins is the same as a singleton, so why not stay at home! Looking forward to another great twin homebirth story Nov/Early December! Justine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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So happy for you Sue - what a wonderful start to the winter break. Can't wait to get up to Byron and hear more details. Lots of egg flips and parsley and pineapple smoothies for the new mother and a lots of hugs for you Love Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 6 Jul, 2005, at 08:48, Sue Cookson wrote: Hi everyone, I thought to let you know about a lovely homebirth of twins on Monday 4th July. Two little boys, 6lb7oz and 5lb 12oz, born 10.5 hours apart. SRM 3.30 am and birth of baby #1 at 6.49am. Then a few hours where ctxs were fairly regular but not so strong unless baby#1 was breastfeeding. You could see the second baby positioning itself and the uterus working hard to pull down into shape for baby#2. I'd clamped the cord of baby#1 after 10 mins in case of bleedthrough, and clamped the other end as well so that the placenta retained its size until after baby#2 was born. After about 4 hours I asked to check baby #2 position. It was too hard to palpate so I did a VE and found head there, not well applied, but there. Cervix was 9 ish cms. So we waited, fetal heart always good and strong. Set up the pool and mother relaxed for an hour or so with ctxs beginning to pick up again. She decided to hop out and at 5.05 pm baby#2 emerged in his caul. She birthed the placenta unaided 35 minutes later. Blood loss 300ml. (Her Hb and ferritin levels were both low). It was a huge leap of faith, but there was nothing happening to raise any alarm bells. Both babies are really gorgeous, feeding well and very happy. I am once again humbled by the strength of women Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Geez Justine, can you clone that OB and spread him around Australia? Judy --- Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sue and all What a story! Great work to you and the wonderful Mum I have recently found I am too carrying twins (babe 5 and 6!) Paul is off for a vasectomy shortly after!!! I have read quite a few stories. I refuse to read Hosp managed stories as they are so medicalised and will scare me witless. I have read so many good HB twin stories of babies born at term great sizes and healthy. I went to see a believing Ob (only because I have no faith in local GP's and my midwife is hours away!) and he said if you grow good size babies the risk to twins is the same as a singleton, so why not stay at home! Looking forward to another great twin homebirth story Nov/Early December! Justine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Also meant to say Congratulations Justine. You will have your hands full. I wish you a smooth pregnancy and great births. Cheers Judy --- Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geez Justine, can you clone that OB and spread him around Australia? Judy --- Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sue and all What a story! Great work to you and the wonderful Mum I have recently found I am too carrying twins (babe 5 and 6!) Paul is off for a vasectomy shortly after!!! I have read quite a few stories. I refuse to read Hosp managed stories as they are so medicalised and will scare me witless. I have read so many good HB twin stories of babies born at term great sizes and healthy. I went to see a believing Ob (only because I have no faith in local GP's and my midwife is hours away!) and he said if you grow good size babies the risk to twins is the same as a singleton, so why not stay at home! Looking forward to another great twin homebirth story Nov/Early December! Justine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!? Try Yahoo! Photomail Beta: Send up to 300 photos in one email! http://au.photomail.mail.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Dear Sue thank you for sharing this wonderfull birth story I am doing Home Nursing at present and have client in her 80's who remembers her twins brother and sister being born at home and others of her generation!! Also the Toodyay flour mill managers wife in 1927 had her twins at home in the top floor of the mill. The story is part of a pictorial display at this WA tourist site including how they had to climb a ladder to get them in and out for their walks and sun kicks!! We all await the wonderful news of Justine's next home birth!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Hi everyone, I thought to let you know about a lovely homebirth of twins on Monday 4th July. Two little boys, 6lb7oz and 5lb 12oz, born 10.5 hours apart. SRM 3.30 am and birth of baby #1 at 6.49am. Then a few hours where ctxs were fairly regular but not so strong unless baby#1 was breastfeeding. You could see the second baby positioning itself and the uterus working hard to pull down into shape for baby#2. I'd clamped the cord of baby#1 after 10 mins in case of bleedthrough, and clamped the other end as well so that the placenta retained its size until after baby#2 was born. After about 4 hours I asked to check baby #2 position. It was too hard to palpate so I did a VE and found head there, not well applied, but there. Cervix was 9 ish cms. So we waited, fetal heart always good and strong. Set up the pool and mother relaxed for an hour or so with ctxs beginning to pick up again. She decided to hop out and at 5.05 pm baby#2 emerged in his caul. She birthed the placenta unaided 35 minutes later. Blood loss 300ml. (Her Hb and ferritin levels were both low). It was a huge leap of faith, but there was nothing happening to raise any alarm bells. Both babies are really gorgeous, feeding well and very happy. I am once again humbled by the strength of women Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 4/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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This reminds me of the Dad who helped his wife birth twins at home at Rabbit Flat in the middle of the Tanami Desert! No problems! Nicole Carver -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Denise Hynd Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:17 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Dear Sue thank you for sharing this wonderfull birth story I am doing Home Nursing at present and have client in her 80's who remembers her twins brother and sister being born at home and others of her generation!! Also the Toodyay flour mill managers wife in 1927 had her twins at home in the top floor of the mill. The story is part of a pictorial display at this WA tourist site including how they had to climb a ladder to get them in and out for their walks and sun kicks!! We all await the wonderful news of Justine's next home birth!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Hi everyone, I thought to let you know about a lovely homebirth of twins on Monday 4th July. Two little boys, 6lb7oz and 5lb 12oz, born 10.5 hours apart. SRM 3.30 am and birth of baby #1 at 6.49am. Then a few hours where ctxs were fairly regular but not so strong unless baby#1 was breastfeeding. You could see the second baby positioning itself and the uterus working hard to pull down into shape for baby#2. I'd clamped the cord of baby#1 after 10 mins in case of bleedthrough, and clamped the other end as well so that the placenta retained its size until after baby#2 was born. After about 4 hours I asked to check baby #2 position. It was too hard to palpate so I did a VE and found head there, not well applied, but there. Cervix was 9 ish cms. So we waited, fetal heart always good and strong. Set up the pool and mother relaxed for an hour or so with ctxs beginning to pick up again. She decided to hop out and at 5.05 pm baby#2 emerged in his caul. She birthed the placenta unaided 35 minutes later. Blood loss 300ml. (Her Hb and ferritin levels were both low). It was a huge leap of faith, but there was nothing happening to raise any alarm bells. Both babies are really gorgeous, feeding well and very happy. I am once again humbled by the strength of women Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 4/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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What a lovely birth - wish more midwives had the opportunity to see natural twin births, it is rare to see vaginal twin births in hospital these days, and I cannot imagine most obstetricians waiting patiently for the second twin to arrive in it's own good time - 5 minutes is the average! I have been lucky enough to attend twin births in the past (in England) but have seen very few midwife-delivered twins since I have been in Australia. Still, what with this, and Mary's lotus-birth caesarean birth recently, a glimmer of hope remains!! What a great achievement Mary - you must have been very persuasive! Thanks for the lovely birth stories Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Hi everyone, I thought to let you know about a lovely homebirth of twins on Monday 4th July. Two little boys, 6lb7oz and 5lb 12oz, born 10.5 hours apart. SRM 3.30 am and birth of baby #1 at 6.49am. Then a few hours where ctxs were fairly regular but not so strong unless baby#1 was breastfeeding. You could see the second baby positioning itself and the uterus working hard to pull down into shape for baby#2. I'd clamped the cord of baby#1 after 10 mins in case of bleedthrough, and clamped the other end as well so that the placenta retained its size until after baby#2 was born. After about 4 hours I asked to check baby #2 position. It was too hard to palpate so I did a VE and found head there, not well applied, but there. Cervix was 9 ish cms. So we waited, fetal heart always good and strong. Set up the pool and mother relaxed for an hour or so with ctxs beginning to pick up again. She decided to hop out and at 5.05 pm baby#2 emerged in his caul. She birthed the placenta unaided 35 minutes later. Blood loss 300ml. (Her Hb and ferritin levels were both low). It was a huge leap of faith, but there was nothing happening to raise any alarm bells. Both babies are really gorgeous, feeding well and very happy. I am once again humbled by the strength of women Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/42 - Release Date: 6/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Congratulations Justine, how exciting!!! Philippa Scott Birth Buddies Supporting Women ~ Creating Life President - Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Dear Sue and all What a story! Great work to you and the wonderful Mum I have recently found I am too carrying twins (babe 5 and 6!) Paul is off for a vasectomy shortly after!!! I have read quite a few stories. I refuse to read Hosp managed stories as they are so medicalised and will scare me witless. I have read so many good HB twin stories of babies born at term great sizes and healthy. I went to see a believing Ob (only because I have no faith in local GP's and my midwife is hours away!) and he said if you grow good size babies the risk to twins is the same as a singleton, so why not stay at home! Looking forward to another great twin homebirth story Nov/Early December! Justine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Justine, Congratulations, wonderful news!! Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Dear Sue and all What a story! Great work to you and the wonderful Mum I have recently found I am too carrying twins (babe 5 and 6!) Paul is off for a vasectomy shortly after!!! I have read quite a few stories. I refuse to read Hosp managed stories as they are so medicalised and will scare me witless. I have read so many good HB twin stories of babies born at term great sizes and healthy. I went to see a believing Ob (only because I have no faith in local GP's and my midwife is hours away!) and he said if you grow good size babies the risk to twins is the same as a singleton, so why not stay at home! Looking forward to another great twin homebirth story Nov/Early December! Justine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Sue, You should write-up this birth as a case study and submit it to a midwifery or medical journal. Congratulations on a great birth! Leanne. From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:48:54 +1000 Hi everyone, I thought to let you know about a lovely homebirth of twins on Monday 4th July. Two little boys, 6lb7oz and 5lb 12oz, born 10.5 hours apart. SRM 3.30 am and birth of baby #1 at 6.49am. Then a few hours where ctxs were fairly regular but not so strong unless baby#1 was breastfeeding. You could see the second baby positioning itself and the uterus working hard to pull down into shape for baby#2. I'd clamped the cord of baby#1 after 10 mins in case of bleedthrough, and clamped the other end as well so that the placenta retained its size until after baby#2 was born. After about 4 hours I asked to check baby #2 position. It was too hard to palpate so I did a VE and found head there, not well applied, but there. Cervix was 9 ish cms. So we waited, fetal heart always good and strong. Set up the pool and mother relaxed for an hour or so with ctxs beginning to pick up again. She decided to hop out and at 5.05 pm baby#2 emerged in his caul. She birthed the placenta unaided 35 minutes later. Blood loss 300ml. (Her Hb and ferritin levels were both low). It was a huge leap of faith, but there was nothing happening to raise any alarm bells. Both babies are really gorgeous, feeding well and very happy. I am once again humbled by the strength of women Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Wow Sue, my husband and I are reading this with amazement. So they were identical twins sharing a placenta like mine are? And I assume the cervix would have closed/reformed to some extent, dilated again when contractions started again? I've been beside myself worrying about the birth of my twins and how sharing a placenta will affect the birth. And that's quite a big size difference too for identicals, but obviously there was no TTTS during pg. Was there any TTTS during labour? Wow I would love to talk to you about this birth. Yvette pg with monochorionic diamniotic twin girls due 5th Sept 4th 5th babies. - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins Hi everyone, I thought to let you know about a lovely homebirth of twins on Monday 4th July. Two little boys, 6lb7oz and 5lb 12oz, born 10.5 hours apart. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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What a fantastic story Sue. It helps the rest of us keep our faith up in the face of problems. Cheers Judy --- Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I thought to let you know about a lovely homebirth of twins on Monday 4th July. Two little boys, 6lb7oz and 5lb 12oz, born 10.5 hours apart. SRM 3.30 am and birth of baby #1 at 6.49am. Then a few hours where ctxs were fairly regular but not so strong unless baby#1 was breastfeeding. You could see the second baby positioning itself and the uterus working hard to pull down into shape for baby#2. I'd clamped the cord of baby#1 after 10 mins in case of bleedthrough, and clamped the other end as well so that the placenta retained its size until after baby#2 was born. After about 4 hours I asked to check baby #2 position. It was too hard to palpate so I did a VE and found head there, not well applied, but there. Cervix was 9 ish cms. So we waited, fetal heart always good and strong. Set up the pool and mother relaxed for an hour or so with ctxs beginning to pick up again. She decided to hop out and at 5.05 pm baby#2 emerged in his caul. She birthed the placenta unaided 35 minutes later. Blood loss 300ml. (Her Hb and ferritin levels were both low). It was a huge leap of faith, but there was nothing happening to raise any alarm bells. Both babies are really gorgeous, feeding well and very happy. I am once again humbled by the strength of women Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!? Try Yahoo! Photomail Beta: Send up to 300 photos in one email! http://au.photomail.mail.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
