Re: communism
Dear Ben, this was in reply to several messages on this subject on the ozmid list. I didn't think it was not in "good form" to reply in this way. I am a little miystified. Can anyoneassist me here? Mary M. - Original Message - From: Sturmfels To: Mary Murphy Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:01 AM Subject: Re: communism Mary, It's good form to only send messages to the list that contain content that is of general interest. It would be more appropriate to send this noteto the person you're addressing. Ben - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: Macha McDonald ; ozmidwifery ; Alphia Possamai Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:45 PM Subject: Re: communism Dear Alphia, I am sure that we all knew where you were coming from! I like your lateral thinking! Cheers, MM
Re: communism
I think your reply was fine and it is not in "good form" to be
negative to anyone on the list - if you don't like a message - Delete
it! Period!
PS: As far as the porn stuff - yes it is much more annoying and I
wish it could be stopped. It is not in "good form"
---Original Message---
From: Mary Murphy
Date: Tuesday, July 02,
2002 21:30:33
To: Sturmfels
Cc: list
Subject: Re:
communism
Dear Ben, this was in reply to several messages on this subject
on the ozmid list. I didn't think it was not in "good form" to reply
in this way. I am a little miystified. Can anyoneassist
me here? Mary M.
- Original Message -
From:
Sturmfels
To: Mary Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:01
AM
Subject: Re: communism
Mary,
It's good form to only send messages to the
list that contain content that is of general interest. It would be more
appropriate to send this noteto the person you're addressing.
Ben
- Original Message -
From:
Mary
Murphy
To: Macha McDonald ; ozmidwifery ; Alphia
Possamai
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:45
PM
Subject: Re: communism
Dear Alphia, I am sure that we all knew where you were coming
from! I like your lateral thinking! Cheers,
MM
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Re: communism
Dear Mary: I don't know who Ben is. One thing I have liked about this list, apart from the midwifery thatis, is the relaxed and friendly way people are about messages and things, there appears to be no "flaming" etc. about list ettiquette. I do know that if the list starts to reflect Ben's attitude, I will be off it despite the content. marilyn - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: Sturmfels Cc: list Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 4:07 AM Subject: Re: communism Dear Ben, this was in reply to several messages on this subject on the ozmid list. I didn't think it was not in "good form" to reply in this way. I am a little miystified. Can anyoneassist me here? Mary M. - Original Message - From: Sturmfels To: Mary Murphy Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:01 AM Subject: Re: communism Mary, It's good form to only send messages to the list that contain content that is of general interest. It would be more appropriate to send this noteto the person you're addressing. Ben - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: Macha McDonald ; ozmidwifery ; Alphia Possamai Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:45 PM Subject: Re: communism Dear Alphia, I am sure that we all knew where you were coming from! I like your lateral thinking! Cheers, MM
Re: communism
Dear Alphia, I am sure that we all knew where you were coming from! I like your lateral thinking! Cheers, MM
Re: communism
Hi everyone, I have just skimmed through all of your respnses- I am on my way to my daughter's soccer game- It seems my life revolves around my children's sporting endeavors of late. Anyway, after I posted my quote by Engels- I was worried that some of you would misinterpret me. When I speak of forced labour I speak of the loss of control experienced by so many women when they walk into a hospital environment for the birth of their child- I especially experienced this with the birth of my daughter 11 years ago. I have never been an adamant follower of Marx- but I must admit his work is very enticing- but not realistic in today's consumer society. If I follow his theory of socialism I become despondent when I see what is happening in the world today. I dont know if any of you saw the program on ABC on Tuesday- but it dealt with Transnational Corporations and their abuse of developing countries- it was heartbreaking- I just dont see Marx's theory coming to its full fruition. Anyway enough of that, off I go to soccer. I think for a book, rather than a slogan, this quote is valuable. Take Care Alphia At 08:18 PM 28/06/2002 +1000, Macha McDonald wrote: I think maybe you're confusing communism with fascism. A communist, or communism is a social system where people share goods and services. A fascist, or fascism is a one party system of government where there are distinct classes and individuals are inferior to the state and control is maintained by military force and rigid censorship - quite the opposite of communism. When I think of the way I've been treated by some Obs (I studied for 10 years in medical school, and you are but a minion), and the way they rigidly control a women's experience of birth, I think of fascism. Not to undermine your German patients experience, because many communist societies have failed, but I feel obliged to explode the myths about communism. Thats my lesson for the day, and I dont even know how we got to that, but anyway!!! Have a good weekend! Macha. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rhonda Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 7:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: RE: slogan ---Original Message--- From: Rhonda Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 19:28:48 To: Macha McDonald Subject: RE: slogan Isn't that funny - I was telling a woman about how I was treated during the birth f my sin and what was said and done and her reaction was this.. I came out here from Communist germany and that is what you would have expected there 20 yrs ago - I didn't think that sort of treatment was possible - Not in Australia, Not in this day and age. After that I can only wonder if maybe I was treated worse than anyone else ever is or if our Ob's are communists after all? Just something to think about! Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: Macha McDonald Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 17:18:44 To: ozmidwifery Subject: RE: slogan I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our capitalist society, ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about Marx, and most would never have heard the quote, or even of Marx. They also may associate us with communists, which I dont think is a bad thing, but others may. I like it though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alphia Garrety Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: slogan I realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for a slogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic. But I was reading some work by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime. But it just hit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour. I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I would share it with all of you. Take Care Alphia Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Sociology and Justice Studies Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
communism
I think maybe you're confusing communism
with fascism. A communist, or communism is a social system where people
share goods and services. A fascist, or fascism is a one party system of
government where there are distinct classes and individuals are inferior to the
state and control is maintained by military force and rigid censorship - quite
the opposite of communism. When I think of the way I've been treated by
some Obs ("I studied for 10 years in medical school, and you are but a minion"),
and the way they rigidly control a women's experience of birth, I think of
fascism. Not to undermine your German patients experience, because many
communist societies have failed, but I feel obliged to explode the myths about
communism. Thats my lesson for the day, and I dont even know how we got to
that, but anyway!!! Have a good weekend!
Macha.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
RhondaSent: Friday, 28 June 2002 7:29 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fw: RE:
slogan
---Original
Message---
From: Rhonda
Date: Friday, June
28, 2002 19:28:48
To: Macha McDonald
Subject: RE:
slogan
Isn't that funny - I was telling a woman about how I was treated
during the birth f my sin and what was said and done and her reaction
was this..
"I came out here from Communist germany and that is what you would
have expected there 20 yrs ago - I didn't think that
sort of treatment was possible - Not in Australia, Not in this day and
age."
After that I can only wonder if maybe I was treated worse than
anyone else ever is or if our Ob's are communists after all?
Just something to think about!
Rhonda
---Original
Message---
From: Macha McDonald
Date: Friday, June
28, 2002 17:18:44
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: RE:
slogan
I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our
capitalist society,ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about
Marx, and most would neverhave heard the quote, or even of Marx.
They also may associate us withcommunists, which I dont think is a
bad thing, but others may. I like itthough.-Original
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Alphia GarretySent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
sloganI realize that the way this is worded would not be
catchy enough for aslogan- by the way all of the ideas are
fantastic. But I was reading somework by Karl Marx yesterday and
there was this quote"Man knows no more degrading or unbearable
misery than forced labour"Actually it is by Friedrich Engels-
Marx's partner in crime. But it justhit me that Women know no more
degrading or unbearable misery than forcedlabour. I dont know if it
could work at all- but I just thought I wouldshare it with all of
you.Take CareAlphiaAlphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)PhD.
CandidateSchool of Sociology and Justice StudiesBankstown
Campus, University of Western SydneyUWS Locked Bag 1797South
Penrith Distribution CentreNSW 1797 AustraliaPhone: 02
97726628Fax: 02 97726584--This mailing list is sponsored
by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au
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