FW: FW: Clarification of Recommendation (long)
I am going to his farewell on Sunday (his nicknmae is Dr arsehole at present for abandoning us!!) He will be the new director for the Mothers and Childrens and plans to do great things with the birth centre and reducing interventions (but probably wont do much private practice) he only used to like caring for the 'abnormal' anyway, he feels midwives are capable of doing the rest...and he is a little redundant...but if any Adelaide women have a breech..he is the man to see..(also does a lovely ECV) Cath Price Midwife For all the latest information on pregnancy, birth and early parenting, subscribe to www.birth.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jenni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 7:33 PM To: birth.com.au Subject: Re: FW: Clarification of Recommendation (long) birth.com.au wrote: Well from looking at SA's intervention rates, they probably need them!!! Cath How fortunate for Adelaide They have also got a Dutch obs with the same philosophy at the QE2 he is the new ?director. Denise Tis a shame Brian Peat is moving from Sydney to Adelaide (rather than Brisbane). A great loss to us here. He believed his role was overseeing the 'norm' and negotiating women with potential problems through 'the system' with as little intervention as possible (also helps breech birth with the woman in an 'all fours position'). He backed many of the independent midwives here and was a joy to work with. Yeah we do, Gus Dekker at the Lyall Mac is in a minority. where is Brian Peat moving to exactly? anybody know? jennifairy from adelaide wondering if things will ever improve :)) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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birth.com.au wrote: I am going to his farewell on Sunday (his nicknmae is Dr arsehole at present for abandoning us!!) He will be the new director for the Mothers and Childrens and plans to do great things with the birth centre and reducing interventions (but probably wont do much private practice) he only used to like caring for the 'abnormal' anyway, he feels midwives are capable of doing the rest...and he is a little redundant...but if any Adelaide women have a breech..he is the man to see..(also does a lovely ECV) Cath Price Midwife For all the latest information on pregnancy, birth and early parenting, subscribe to www.birth.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] sounds like good person to have here:)) I guess I'll see him b4 long... just to clarify yr 'breech' statement, do I take it to mean he supports breech vaginal births? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Yes he does, he will try an ECV first (and I have had 2 clients who have had successful ECV's at 37 weeks). If not then he will support vaginal breech (in any position the woman desires, without epidurals, forceps, or episiotomy). He helped us with many abnormal women to birth at the birth centre and at home, stabilising women who were diabetics on insulin, hypertensive on medications, VBAC (of which KGV birth centre has about a 90% success rate). I'm getting depressed after telling you all this... He also will answer any silly question you can think of without treating you like an idiot. He has a lovely wife who is also a midwife and 3 young children.How can we replace him?? Cath -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jenni Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2002 2:17 PM Cc: ozmidwifery Subject: Re: FW: FW: Clarification of Recommendation (long) birth.com.au wrote: I am going to his farewell on Sunday (his nicknmae is Dr arsehole at present for abandoning us!!) He will be the new director for the Mothers and Childrens and plans to do great things with the birth centre and reducing interventions (but probably wont do much private practice) he only used to like caring for the 'abnormal' anyway, he feels midwives are capable of doing the rest...and he is a little redundant...but if any Adelaide women have a breech..he is the man to see..(also does a lovely ECV) Cath Price Midwife For all the latest information on pregnancy, birth and early parenting, subscribe to www.birth.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] sounds like good person to have here:)) I guess I'll see him b4 long... just to clarify yr 'breech' statement, do I take it to mean he supports breech vaginal births? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
FW: Clarification of Recommendation (long)
Hi Kirsty Do you know of any independent midwives near you?? They may know of someone, otherwise midwives who work at a birth centre near you, they usually know who is essentially 'user friendly'. Tis a shame Brian Peat is moving from Sydney to Adelaide (rather than Brisbane). A great loss to us here. He believed his role was overseeing the 'norm' and negotiating women with potential problems through 'the system' with as little intervention as possible (also helps breech birth with the woman in an 'all fours position'). He backed many of the independent midwives here and was a joy to work with. good luck with your search Cath Price Midwife For all the latest information on pregnancy, birth and early parenting, subscribe to www.birth.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Phillip Fogarty Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Clarification of Recommendation (long) Firstly, I apologise to everybody for failing to mention my living area. I thought I sent another email following that one when I got the first Where do you live? email response, but I mustn't have sent it. I actually live in Ipswich, which is near (?!) Brisbane. I would be seeking someone in Brisbane City. Ah Joy. Where do I start? With my previous pregnancy, I had 'problems' with high blood pressure, though it never got so high that it required attention. I began going to the ante-natal clinic at the Royal Women's Hospital in Brisbane at 12 weeks and seemed fine until approx 16 weeks when my blood pressure began to rise. I think from memory that the highest it ever got was 155/95, which I have heard isn't great, but isn't a horrid case. I began the ritual of fortnightly appointments, where I had to see both an Obstetrician AND a Physician (a little old man who never failed to say, I don't know why we keep seeing you - I'm not particularly worried about your BP... better make another appointment for two weeks time... The Obstetrician that was assigned to me (or was I assigned to him?) seemed to think that the baby was a bit on the small side (he was, but not anything unusual) and sent me for regular ultrasounds. I think I ended up having 6 including my routine 18 week scan. While this was fascinating to watch the baby grow, I couldn't kick the feeling that I was being 'overwatched.'In the end, the OB changed his tune to I think there isn't enough fluid... better send you for a scan... And of course, there was plenty of fluid. But, said the radiologist, the baby is a bit on the small side... How ironic. To cut a HUGE story (and such a wonderful one) short, Joshua James was induced when I was one week overdue. I was 100% sure of my due date, however, the registrar OB booked me in for the induction as soon as I hit my due date.Fortunately for me, the induction worked first time and as I said in my previous email (I think...) labour and delivery went without a hitch. I was so happy with the way things turned out. I have to admit, I do not feel intimidated by a hospital environment, and I suppose my previous experience draws me back to the place I went before. Blindly hoping for a repeat performance, I suppose. Only this time I don't want to feel so... public. I suppose that I feel that as a private patient, I would have more courage to be more demanding if I wasn't happy with anything. I wanted the choice to see the same person every single time instead of rotating between the OB and his registrar's. Why an OB instead of a midwife? The impression that I have received through reading and from conversation is that if I were to choose a Midwife to assist at home, I would not be able to claim money back from my health insurance company. Is this correct, or am I mistaken? I currently have private health insurance with Medibank Private. Psychologically, I see the insurance as giving me a demandable choice that I would not feel confident I could make in the public system. I know what I want and I am quite scared about it all, to tell you the truth. I know that things don't always go as planned, and I think I try to plan too much. There are so many thing that I want to say, but I don't want to bore you all (this is already long enough). Oh well... Thanks to you all, Kirsty. AND PS... I cheat - this email address is my husband's - he attends University of Queensland to study p/t commerce! I think that it's more my email address now than his - I just end up forwarding his emails to him at his work!! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Kristy, if you want to be private, how about swapping to a fund like australian unity, IOR, NIB, NRMA who cover midwifery care? then you could have the fantastic midwifery care with some of the hospital care paid for. as for NRMA they have advertised recently they will cover all the costs of having a baby even the doctor and all the gap. at work (large private hospital) we would have about 2-3 women a day swapping over to them. they are part of care link too so free follow up/services too.i'm sure midwifery care would be cheaper for them than docs, and it would fall into their costs of having a baby category. a lot of the women i look after complain they are thousands out of pocket even with top traditional health cover - something to consider. Louise The cure foranything is salt water - Sweat, tears, or the sea. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Kirsty I have a dear friend in Brisbane who also could not get in the Royal FBC and sadly ended her pregnancy with C/S. Contact the Support group and join the list of wpmen who object to the limited acces!! Please be very careful to whom you go ask about thier rates of interventions and what they see as natural birth. I have heard women say an epiduralised vaginal birth is natural and they see no relationship between that and their breastfeeding problems etc. Also in my expereince just seeing or expereincing childbirth as needing a medical expert rather than a supportive partnering midwife who works to help you understand and work with your body in pregnancy and birth can be the basis of ongoing disempowerment? Sure you can not consider private midwifery care??Most midwives negotiate payment as well as other things in their repertoire!Denise - Original Message - From: Phillip Fogarty To: Denise Hynd Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Recommendation Hi Denise, There is a Birth Centre at the Royal Brisbane Hospital. From all reports, it's a wonderful place to birth a baby. However, they have only 4 suites available and therefore had to severely limit the 'living' area to the surrounding suburbs. Unfortunately I am a little too out of those 'suburbs' to use it. It would have been perfect for what I was after... Kirsty. - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: Phillip Fogarty Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Recommendation Dear Kirsty Where are you is there a birth centre near you?Denise - Original Message - From: Phillip Fogarty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Recommendation Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who ishighly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
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Dear Kirsty I think your feeling were right I think most people's blood pressure would be elevated (including the obs) If we were in the same situation! Which reminds me I have not seen any continuos elevated BP in private practice/homebirth (another discussion). Are you sure there is not a health fund in Qld which does not rebate midwifery care the ones who do here also accept transfers from funds like Medibank which do not!! Have you at least checked out/spoken with a local MIPP?? Please do it should help and she probably knows all your local options! Denise - Original Message - From: Phillip Fogarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Clarification of Recommendation (long) Firstly, I apologise to everybody for failing to mention my living area. I thought I sent another email following that one when I got the first Where do you live? email response, but I mustn't have sent it. I actually live in Ipswich, which is near (?!) Brisbane. I would be seeking someone in Brisbane City. Ah Joy. Where do I start? With my previous pregnancy, I had 'problems' with high blood pressure, though it never got so high that it required attention. I began going to the ante-natal clinic at the Royal Women's Hospital in Brisbane at 12 weeks and seemed fine until approx 16 weeks when my blood pressure began to rise. I think from memory that the highest it ever got was 155/95, which I have heard isn't great, but isn't a horrid case. I began the ritual of fortnightly appointments, where I had to see both an Obstetrician AND a Physician (a little old man who never failed to say, I don't know why we keep seeing you - I'm not particularly worried about your BP... better make another appointment for two weeks time... The Obstetrician that was assigned to me (or was I assigned to him?) seemed to think that the baby was a bit on the small side (he was, but not anything unusual) and sent me for regular ultrasounds. I think I ended up having 6 including my routine 18 week scan. While this was fascinating to watch the baby grow, I couldn't kick the feeling that I was being 'overwatched.' In the end, the OB changed his tune to I think there isn't enough fluid... better send you for a scan... And of course, there was plenty of fluid. But, said the radiologist, the baby is a bit on the small side... How ironic. To cut a HUGE story (and such a wonderful one) short, Joshua James was induced when I was one week overdue. I was 100% sure of my due date, however, the registrar OB booked me in for the induction as soon as I hit my due date.Fortunately for me, the induction worked first time and as I said in my previous email (I think...) labour and delivery went without a hitch. I was so happy with the way things turned out. I have to admit, I do not feel intimidated by a hospital environment, and I suppose my previous experience draws me back to the place I went before. Blindly hoping for a repeat performance, I suppose. Only this time I don't want to feel so... public. I suppose that I feel that as a private patient, I would have more courage to be more demanding if I wasn't happy with anything. I wanted the choice to see the same person every single time instead of rotating between the OB and his registrar's. Why an OB instead of a midwife? The impression that I have received through reading and from conversation is that if I were to choose a Midwife to assist at home, I would not be able to claim money back from my health insurance company. Is this correct, or am I mistaken? I currently have private health insurance with Medibank Private. Psychologically, I see the insurance as giving me a demandable choice that I would not feel confident I could make in the public system. I know what I want and I am quite scared about it all, to tell you the truth. I know that things don't always go as planned, and I think I try to plan too much. There are so many thing that I want to say, but I don't want to bore you all (this is already long enough). Oh well... Thanks to you all, Kirsty. AND PS... I cheat - this email address is my husband's - he attends University of Queensland to study p/t commerce! I think that it's more my email address now than his - I just end up forwarding his emails to him at his work!! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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How fortunate for Adelaide They have also got a Dutch obs with the same philosophy at the QE2 he is the new ?director. Denise - Original Message - From: birth.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:10 AM Subject: FW: Clarification of Recommendation (long) Hi Kirsty Do you know of any independent midwives near you?? They may know of someone, otherwise midwives who work at a birth centre near you, they usually know who is essentially 'user friendly'. Tis a shame Brian Peat is moving from Sydney to Adelaide (rather than Brisbane). A great loss to us here. He believed his role was overseeing the 'norm' and negotiating women with potential problems through 'the system' with as little intervention as possible (also helps breech birth with the woman in an 'all fours position'). He backed many of the independent midwives here and was a joy to work with. good luck with your search Cath Price Midwife For all the latest information on pregnancy, birth and early parenting, subscribe to www.birth.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Phillip Fogarty Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Clarification of Recommendation (long) Firstly, I apologise to everybody for failing to mention my living area. I thought I sent another email following that one when I got the first Where do you live? email response, but I mustn't have sent it. I actually live in Ipswich, which is near (?!) Brisbane. I would be seeking someone in Brisbane City. Ah Joy. Where do I start? With my previous pregnancy, I had 'problems' with high blood pressure, though it never got so high that it required attention. I began going to the ante-natal clinic at the Royal Women's Hospital in Brisbane at 12 weeks and seemed fine until approx 16 weeks when my blood pressure began to rise. I think from memory that the highest it ever got was 155/95, which I have heard isn't great, but isn't a horrid case. I began the ritual of fortnightly appointments, where I had to see both an Obstetrician AND a Physician (a little old man who never failed to say, I don't know why we keep seeing you - I'm not particularly worried about your BP... better make another appointment for two weeks time... The Obstetrician that was assigned to me (or was I assigned to him?) seemed to think that the baby was a bit on the small side (he was, but not anything unusual) and sent me for regular ultrasounds. I think I ended up having 6 including my routine 18 week scan. While this was fascinating to watch the baby grow, I couldn't kick the feeling that I was being 'overwatched.' In the end, the OB changed his tune to I think there isn't enough fluid... better send you for a scan... And of course, there was plenty of fluid. But, said the radiologist, the baby is a bit on the small side... How ironic. To cut a HUGE story (and such a wonderful one) short, Joshua James was induced when I was one week overdue. I was 100% sure of my due date, however, the registrar OB booked me in for the induction as soon as I hit my due date.Fortunately for me, the induction worked first time and as I said in my previous email (I think...) labour and delivery went without a hitch. I was so happy with the way things turned out. I have to admit, I do not feel intimidated by a hospital environment, and I suppose my previous experience draws me back to the place I went before. Blindly hoping for a repeat performance, I suppose. Only this time I don't want to feel so... public. I suppose that I feel that as a private patient, I would have more courage to be more demanding if I wasn't happy with anything. I wanted the choice to see the same person every single time instead of rotating between the OB and his registrar's. Why an OB instead of a midwife? The impression that I have received through reading and from conversation is that if I were to choose a Midwife to assist at home, I would not be able to claim money back from my health insurance company. Is this correct, or am I mistaken? I currently have private health insurance with Medibank Private. Psychologically, I see the insurance as giving me a demandable choice that I would not feel confident I could make in the public system. I know what I want and I am quite scared about it all, to tell you the truth. I know that things don't always go as planned, and I think I try to plan too much. There are so many thing that I want to say, but I don't want to bore you all (this is already long enough). Oh well... Thanks to you all, Kirsty. AND PS... I cheat - this email address is my husband's - he attends University of Queensland to study p/t commerce! I think that it's more my email address now than his - I just end up forwarding his emails to him at his work
FW: Clarification of Recommendation (long)
Well from looking at SA's intervention rates, they probably need them!!! Cath -Original Message- From: Denise Hynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 11:47 AM To: birth.com.au; ozmidwifery Subject: Re: Clarification of Recommendation (long) How fortunate for Adelaide They have also got a Dutch obs with the same philosophy at the QE2 he is the new ?director. Denise - Original Message - From: birth.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:10 AM Subject: FW: Clarification of Recommendation (long) Hi Kirsty Do you know of any independent midwives near you?? They may know of someone, otherwise midwives who work at a birth centre near you, they usually know who is essentially 'user friendly'. Tis a shame Brian Peat is moving from Sydney to Adelaide (rather than Brisbane). A great loss to us here. He believed his role was overseeing the 'norm' and negotiating women with potential problems through 'the system' with as little intervention as possible (also helps breech birth with the woman in an 'all fours position'). He backed many of the independent midwives here and was a joy to work with. good luck with your search Cath Price Midwife For all the latest information on pregnancy, birth and early parenting, subscribe to www.birth.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Phillip Fogarty Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Clarification of Recommendation (long) Firstly, I apologise to everybody for failing to mention my living area. I thought I sent another email following that one when I got the first Where do you live? email response, but I mustn't have sent it. I actually live in Ipswich, which is near (?!) Brisbane. I would be seeking someone in Brisbane City. Ah Joy. Where do I start? With my previous pregnancy, I had 'problems' with high blood pressure, though it never got so high that it required attention. I began going to the ante-natal clinic at the Royal Women's Hospital in Brisbane at 12 weeks and seemed fine until approx 16 weeks when my blood pressure began to rise. I think from memory that the highest it ever got was 155/95, which I have heard isn't great, but isn't a horrid case. I began the ritual of fortnightly appointments, where I had to see both an Obstetrician AND a Physician (a little old man who never failed to say, I don't know why we keep seeing you - I'm not particularly worried about your BP... better make another appointment for two weeks time... The Obstetrician that was assigned to me (or was I assigned to him?) seemed to think that the baby was a bit on the small side (he was, but not anything unusual) and sent me for regular ultrasounds. I think I ended up having 6 including my routine 18 week scan. While this was fascinating to watch the baby grow, I couldn't kick the feeling that I was being 'overwatched.' In the end, the OB changed his tune to I think there isn't enough fluid... better send you for a scan... And of course, there was plenty of fluid. But, said the radiologist, the baby is a bit on the small side... How ironic. To cut a HUGE story (and such a wonderful one) short, Joshua James was induced when I was one week overdue. I was 100% sure of my due date, however, the registrar OB booked me in for the induction as soon as I hit my due date.Fortunately for me, the induction worked first time and as I said in my previous email (I think...) labour and delivery went without a hitch. I was so happy with the way things turned out. I have to admit, I do not feel intimidated by a hospital environment, and I suppose my previous experience draws me back to the place I went before. Blindly hoping for a repeat performance, I suppose. Only this time I don't want to feel so... public. I suppose that I feel that as a private patient, I would have more courage to be more demanding if I wasn't happy with anything. I wanted the choice to see the same person every single time instead of rotating between the OB and his registrar's. Why an OB instead of a midwife? The impression that I have received through reading and from conversation is that if I were to choose a Midwife to assist at home, I would not be able to claim money back from my health insurance company. Is this correct, or am I mistaken? I currently have private health insurance with Medibank Private. Psychologically, I see the insurance as giving me a demandable choice that I would not feel confident I could make in the public system. I know what I want and I am quite scared about it all, to tell you the truth. I know that things don't always go as planned, and I think I try to plan too much. There are so many thing that I want to say, but I don't want to bore you all (this is already long enough
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Hi Kirsty I am a consumer and have had two magnificent homebirths with an independent midwife. It is true what they say that when you have a midwife you not only get a baby but also a friend. I urge you to at least explore this option. Obstetrician sent me for regular ultrasounds. I think I ended up having 6 including my routine 18 week scan. In the end, the OB changed his tune to I think there isn't enough fluid... better send you for a scan... And of course, there was plenty of fluid.But, said the radiologist, the baby is a bit on the small side... How ironic. Six scans with no real reason and even if your bub had IUGR what could have they done! This is a disgrace! I have to admit, I do not feel intimidated by a hospital environment, and I suppose my previous experience draws me back to the place I went before. Blindly hoping for a repeat performance, I suppose. Only this time I don't want to feel so... public. I suppose that I feel that as a private patient, I would have more courage to be more demanding if I wasn't happy with anything. I wanted the choice to see the same person every single time instead of rotating between the OB and his registrar's. I'm glad you were lucky and had a straightforward delivery, the stats were not on your side. Are you aware of a study done by Sally Tracy and others (British Medical Journal (vol.321, 15 July 2000) Roberts et. Al) that looked at 171,000 births took out complications age anomolies etc and still found wome were far more likely to have interventions (without reason) as private patients! About half of all women choosing either private or public care were low risk. That is they had no medical or obstetric complication, and carried a single baby of normal size and head down presentation to term. Yet the private low risk patients were significantly more likely to have interventions before birth (epidural, induction or augmentation) as well as increased interventions at birth (especially forceps, vacuum extraction and episiotomy). The study also finds that of all first time mothers at low risk only 18% of private women achieved a vaginal birth without any intervention compared with 39% of public women. It concludes: there are no obvious clinical reasons for intervention rates to be higher in private than in public patients. It also notes that international comparisons show Australia to have among the highest rates for obstetric intervention. A private obstetrician as you well know will pop in and out and you will largely be supported by unknown midwives. With an Independent Midwife you form a relationship over the pregnancy and they are there for you and you alone, believe me there is no better care. Why an OB instead of a midwife? The impression that I have received through reading and from conversation is that if I were to choose a Midwife to assist at home, I would not be able to claim money back from my health insurance company. Is this correct, or am I mistaken? I currently have private health insurance with Medibank Private. Psychologically, I see the insurance as giving me a demandable choice that I would not feel confident I could make in the public system. I understand your logic, I'm paying therefore I can make a fuss. Well the thing is you are aligning yourself with far greater intervention and generally Obstetricians that do not practice evidence based medicine and I think you found some with your first bub. So I am unsure how you will ensure a better outcome in a system that has up to double the intervention rates. I know of a woman who was paid her entire Midwives bill (and a birth support doula!) by MBF so if you want to approach Medibank Private you could be a good test case. If you want I can provide you with further info off-list. I know what I want and I am quite scared about it all, to tell you the truth. I know that things don't always go as planned, and I think I try to plan too much. Maybe you need to let go a bit and believe it yourself, Hey you did it before against the odds (ie stats re inductions leading to a cascade of intervention.) I learnt that in birth one is most foolish to be a control freak Yours in better birthEvidence based Justine Caines Mum to Ruby 2, (HB) Clancy 10 months (HB) and a bump due July (definitely HB!) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Title: Re: Recommendation Hi Kirsty, What you are asking for requires detailed knowledge about the area you live in. The GP you ask for is a rare diamond, but believe me, if any of us know of such in your area, we will let you know. Sue Cookson, Byron Bay area Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who is highly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
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It seems you already have a GP and want an OB, bit I know of a community health centre that supports home birth etc (posters on the wall, and a beautiful feed and change room with a rocking chair too!!). There are no Obs. I am only guessing, but if you cant afford homebirth, you cant afford a private OB either. The Gps do shared care, and they are FABULOUS!!! Dr. Gavan Martyn is my doctor, and is a gem. The centre is in Paisley St., Footscray (if you live in Melbourne). If you want a more natural birth, have you considered trying a birth centre. I hear the one at the Mercy (East Melbourne) is great. Good luck, and congratulations!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Phillip Fogarty Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2002 5:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Recommendation Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who ishighly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
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Kirsty I assume by your email address that you are a student at UQ. That's in Brisbane isn't it? (it was when I was a student there) If you really can't plan homebirth, what's wrong with the birth centres at the public hospitals in Brisbane? Why do 'pot luck' doctors need to be involved at all - unless you develop complications of course? The fact that you are on this list means you must be interested in maternity issues. There are lots of people on the list who would work with you through your situation, to help you get the best for yourself, as well as be an effective change agent in the process. Are you interested? Joy Johnston -Original Message- From: Phillip Fogarty [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Recommendation File: ATT8.htm Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who is highly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Recommendation
Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who ishighly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
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Kirsty, Which state/area are you in? Jayne --- Original Message - From: Phillip Fogarty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Recommendation Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who ishighly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
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Actually, from clues in your email address, I'm guessing QLD?!!! Let me know. Jayne - Original Message - From: Jayne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Recommendation Kirsty, Which state/area are you in? Jayne --- Original Message - From: Phillip Fogarty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Recommendation Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who ishighly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
