Re: RTF in silverlight
just putting on my BA hat for a second I know the service call is spitting out RTF, but why RTF and not, say, PDF? it sounds like you just need to render them, not interact with them. just curious On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Steven Nagy steven.n...@readify.netwrote: Thanks for the various responses. The Telerik control – I couldn’t see that it supported RTF. Its funny because there’s lots of RichTextbox controls out there but very few actually support RTF (most have their own versions of WPF’s FlowDocument instead). I suspect these issues are because different companies have different implementations of the specification. Plus the specification has many versions. Plus some writers/readers may be more tolerant to invalid control codes, while others are more strict. What the world needs is an RTF validator where you can post your RTF. I didn’t know Silverlight supported XPS, I’ll investigate that option. Thanks for the sample Carl, I actually need RTF though, including image data which is embedded in the RTF as binary. Pretty much fill RTF support in SL is required. Tried the ComponentOne control as well – didn’t seem to support tables properly either. This seems to be a common problem. Thanks again all. *Steven Nagy *Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.name *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *jason schluter *Sent:* Saturday, 15 May 2010 1:02 AM *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com *Subject:* RE: RTF in silverlight Perhaps you can convert it to XPS? -- From: steven.n...@readify.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:31:31 -0700 Subject: RTF in silverlight Hi all, I've got the a bunch of RTF coming from a service call that needs to render. I have two options: Find a control that can render RTF or convert the RTF to something else on the server side that can be rendered natively. For option 1, it seems the new SL4 RichTextbox doesn't support RTF (unless I've missed the mechanism for importing RTF text into the control?). I've trialed the DevExpress tool but it fails to render RTF with tables. I'm currently pulling down the ComponentOne RichTextbox to see if it does any better. I've also tried option 2 - using a WPF rich textbox (in memory only) to load the RTF and then push out various output formats. It supports output to XAML but of course the XAML is not compliant with Silverlight. I have my fingers crossed for the component one control but I'm not hopeful. I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions on how to approach this and if anyone has found a good RTF control for silverlight. Client side is SL4 and server side is .Net 4.0. Cheers, *Steven Nagy *Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.name ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: RTF in silverlight
You're right to a degree. We get stuff in a variety of formats from different systems. Some are plain text, some are RTF, some are strongly typed classes of data, etc. So RTF is a source type that we have no control over. We also investigated the option of converting RTF to HTML and displaying that in a Html control (I tried all the control vendors controls here as well). Essentially they 'cheat' by putting a browser element into Silverlight. The result is that nothing can render over the top of the HTML; its always on top. In our case we do need menus to render over the HTML. There are other work-arounds for this problem but they degrade the user experience. PDF is possible; we could convert to PDF on the server side and return a link to the PDF file. However we are looking for a richer embedded experience where the content being displayed looks like it is part of the page. I'm not sure that we could achieve that with PDF. It's a shame that we're up to version 4 of SL and still have to make compromises. I'm too stubborn for that. :) However I also realise that it's a niche problem and SL can't accommodate all scenarios. Steven Nagy Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.netsip:steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.namehttp://azure.snagy.name/ From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Saturday, 15 May 2010 8:50 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: RTF in silverlight just putting on my BA hat for a second I know the service call is spitting out RTF, but why RTF and not, say, PDF? it sounds like you just need to render them, not interact with them. just curious On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Steven Nagy steven.n...@readify.netmailto:steven.n...@readify.net wrote: Thanks for the various responses. The Telerik control - I couldn't see that it supported RTF. Its funny because there's lots of RichTextbox controls out there but very few actually support RTF (most have their own versions of WPF's FlowDocument instead). I suspect these issues are because different companies have different implementations of the specification. Plus the specification has many versions. Plus some writers/readers may be more tolerant to invalid control codes, while others are more strict. What the world needs is an RTF validator where you can post your RTF. I didn't know Silverlight supported XPS, I'll investigate that option. Thanks for the sample Carl, I actually need RTF though, including image data which is embedded in the RTF as binary. Pretty much fill RTF support in SL is required. Tried the ComponentOne control as well - didn't seem to support tables properly either. This seems to be a common problem. Thanks again all. Steven Nagy Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.netmailto:steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.namehttp://azure.snagy.name/ From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of jason schluter Sent: Saturday, 15 May 2010 1:02 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: RTF in silverlight Perhaps you can convert it to XPS? From: steven.n...@readify.netmailto:steven.n...@readify.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:31:31 -0700 Subject: RTF in silverlight Hi all, I've got the a bunch of RTF coming from a service call that needs to render. I have two options: Find a control that can render RTF or convert the RTF to something else on the server side that can be rendered natively. For option 1, it seems the new SL4 RichTextbox doesn't support RTF (unless I've missed the mechanism for importing RTF text into the control?). I've trialed the DevExpress tool but it fails to render RTF with tables. I'm currently pulling down the ComponentOne RichTextbox to see if it does any better. I've also tried option 2 - using a WPF rich textbox (in memory only) to load the RTF and then push out various output formats. It supports output to XAML but of course the XAML is not compliant with Silverlight. I have my fingers crossed for the component one control but I'm not hopeful. I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions on how to approach this and if anyone has found a good RTF control for silverlight. Client side is SL4 and server side is .Net 4.0. Cheers, Steven Nagy Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.netmailto:steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.namehttp://azure.snagy.name/ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: RTF in silverlight
*Hi Steve * Check out the Aspose Word controls for Silverlight They are doing similar things: 1. Convert all diff. formats to XPS (on the server) 2. SL control displays XPS (that it gets from the server) I like that picture http://www.aspose.com/documentation/.net-components/aspose.words-for-.net-and-java/display-word-documents-in-silverlight.html http://www.aspose.com/documentation/.net-components/aspose.words-for-.net-and-java/display-word-documents-in-silverlight.htmlBut as you said, its not a nice solution .peter.gfader. http://blog.gfader.com/ http://twitter.com/peitor On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Steven Nagy steven.n...@readify.netwrote: You’re right to a degree. We get stuff in a variety of formats from different systems. Some are plain text, some are RTF, some are strongly typed classes of data, etc. So RTF is a source type that we have no control over. We also investigated the option of converting RTF to HTML and displaying that in a Html control (I tried all the control vendors controls here as well). Essentially they ‘cheat’ by putting a browser element into Silverlight. The result is that nothing can render over the top of the HTML; its always on top. In our case we do need menus to render over the HTML. There are other work-arounds for this problem but they degrade the user experience. PDF is possible; we could convert to PDF on the server side and return a link to the PDF file. However we are looking for a richer embedded experience where the content being displayed looks like it is part of the page. I’m not sure that we could achieve that with PDF. It’s a shame that we’re up to version 4 of SL and still have to make compromises. I’m too stubborn for that. J However I also realise that it’s a niche problem and SL can’t accommodate all scenarios. *Steven Nagy *Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.name *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Barry Beattie *Sent:* Saturday, 15 May 2010 8:50 AM *To:* ozSilverlight *Subject:* Re: RTF in silverlight just putting on my BA hat for a second I know the service call is spitting out RTF, but why RTF and not, say, PDF? it sounds like you just need to render them, not interact with them. just curious On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Steven Nagy steven.n...@readify.net wrote: Thanks for the various responses. The Telerik control – I couldn’t see that it supported RTF. Its funny because there’s lots of RichTextbox controls out there but very few actually support RTF (most have their own versions of WPF’s FlowDocument instead). I suspect these issues are because different companies have different implementations of the specification. Plus the specification has many versions. Plus some writers/readers may be more tolerant to invalid control codes, while others are more strict. What the world needs is an RTF validator where you can post your RTF. I didn’t know Silverlight supported XPS, I’ll investigate that option. Thanks for the sample Carl, I actually need RTF though, including image data which is embedded in the RTF as binary. Pretty much fill RTF support in SL is required. Tried the ComponentOne control as well – didn’t seem to support tables properly either. This seems to be a common problem. Thanks again all. *Steven Nagy *Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.name *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *jason schluter *Sent:* Saturday, 15 May 2010 1:02 AM *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com *Subject:* RE: RTF in silverlight Perhaps you can convert it to XPS? -- From: steven.n...@readify.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:31:31 -0700 Subject: RTF in silverlight Hi all, I've got the a bunch of RTF coming from a service call that needs to render. I have two options: Find a control that can render RTF or convert the RTF to something else on the server side that can be rendered natively. For option 1, it seems the new SL4 RichTextbox doesn't support RTF (unless I've missed the mechanism for importing RTF text into the control?). I've trialed the DevExpress tool but it fails to render RTF with tables. I'm currently pulling down the ComponentOne RichTextbox to see if it does any better. I've also tried option 2 - using a WPF rich textbox (in memory only) to load the RTF and then push out various output formats. It supports output to XAML but of course the XAML is not compliant with Silverlight. I have my fingers crossed for the component one control but I'm not hopeful. I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions on how to approach this and if anyone has found a good RTF
Re: RTF in silverlight
Hi Steven I wrote an article (for Silverlight 2, but still valid), which covers creating an IFrame and displaying HTML/PDF/Word/etc inside it using their browser plugins: www.silverlightshow.net/items/Building-a-Silverlight-Line-Of-Business-Application-Part-6.aspx. To me, it does look as though it's a part of the application (assuming the user has the corresponding plugin installed). It resizes with the browser window, and you get all the functionality of that plugin (particularly printing). Alternatively, check out the Document Toolkit from First Floor Software (by Koen Zwikstra, of Silverlight Spy fame): http://firstfloorsoftware.com/documenttoolkit. It displays XPS, and he discussed displaying PDF using it too (not sure on the status of that though). Check out my example anyway too, and see what you think. I also discuss this topic (primarily in regards to reporting) in my upcoming book Pro Business Applications with Silverlight 4 (for Apress). In terms of displaying RTF, you might want to look at some open source RTF parsers in C# like: http://www.codeproject.com/KB/string/nrtftree.aspx http://www.codeproject.com/KB/recipes/RtfConverter.aspx I'm sure it would take little (or no) effort to port to Silverlight. Hope this helps... Chris On 15 May 2010 08:52, Steven Nagy steven.n...@readify.net wrote: You’re right to a degree. We get stuff in a variety of formats from different systems. Some are plain text, some are RTF, some are strongly typed classes of data, etc. So RTF is a source type that we have no control over. We also investigated the option of converting RTF to HTML and displaying that in a Html control (I tried all the control vendors controls here as well). Essentially they ‘cheat’ by putting a browser element into Silverlight. The result is that nothing can render over the top of the HTML; its always on top. In our case we do need menus to render over the HTML. There are other work-arounds for this problem but they degrade the user experience. PDF is possible; we could convert to PDF on the server side and return a link to the PDF file. However we are looking for a richer embedded experience where the content being displayed looks like it is part of the page. I’m not sure that we could achieve that with PDF. It’s a shame that we’re up to version 4 of SL and still have to make compromises. I’m too stubborn for that. J However I also realise that it’s a niche problem and SL can’t accommodate all scenarios. *Steven Nagy *Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.name *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Barry Beattie *Sent:* Saturday, 15 May 2010 8:50 AM *To:* ozSilverlight *Subject:* Re: RTF in silverlight just putting on my BA hat for a second I know the service call is spitting out RTF, but why RTF and not, say, PDF? it sounds like you just need to render them, not interact with them. just curious On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Steven Nagy steven.n...@readify.net wrote: Thanks for the various responses. The Telerik control – I couldn’t see that it supported RTF. Its funny because there’s lots of RichTextbox controls out there but very few actually support RTF (most have their own versions of WPF’s FlowDocument instead). I suspect these issues are because different companies have different implementations of the specification. Plus the specification has many versions. Plus some writers/readers may be more tolerant to invalid control codes, while others are more strict. What the world needs is an RTF validator where you can post your RTF. I didn’t know Silverlight supported XPS, I’ll investigate that option. Thanks for the sample Carl, I actually need RTF though, including image data which is embedded in the RTF as binary. Pretty much fill RTF support in SL is required. Tried the ComponentOne control as well – didn’t seem to support tables properly either. This seems to be a common problem. Thanks again all. *Steven Nagy *Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.name *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *jason schluter *Sent:* Saturday, 15 May 2010 1:02 AM *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com *Subject:* RE: RTF in silverlight Perhaps you can convert it to XPS? -- From: steven.n...@readify.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:31:31 -0700 Subject: RTF in silverlight Hi all, I've got the a bunch of RTF coming from a service call that needs to render. I have two options: Find a control that can render RTF or convert the RTF to something else on the server side that can be rendered natively. For option 1, it seems the new SL4 RichTextbox
RTF in silverlight
Hi all, I've got the a bunch of RTF coming from a service call that needs to render. I have two options: Find a control that can render RTF or convert the RTF to something else on the server side that can be rendered natively. For option 1, it seems the new SL4 RichTextbox doesn't support RTF (unless I've missed the mechanism for importing RTF text into the control?). I've trialed the DevExpress tool but it fails to render RTF with tables. I'm currently pulling down the ComponentOne RichTextbox to see if it does any better. I've also tried option 2 - using a WPF rich textbox (in memory only) to load the RTF and then push out various output formats. It supports output to XAML but of course the XAML is not compliant with Silverlight. I have my fingers crossed for the component one control but I'm not hopeful. I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions on how to approach this and if anyone has found a good RTF control for silverlight. Client side is SL4 and server side is .Net 4.0. Cheers, Steven Nagy Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.netsip:steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.namehttp://azure.snagy.name/ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: RTF in silverlight
Hmm, Did you try: http://www.vectorlight.net/demos/richtextbox.aspx It seems to be built fairly solid? From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Steven Nagy Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:32 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RTF in silverlight Hi all, I've got the a bunch of RTF coming from a service call that needs to render. I have two options: Find a control that can render RTF or convert the RTF to something else on the server side that can be rendered natively. For option 1, it seems the new SL4 RichTextbox doesn't support RTF (unless I've missed the mechanism for importing RTF text into the control?). I've trialed the DevExpress tool but it fails to render RTF with tables. I'm currently pulling down the ComponentOne RichTextbox to see if it does any better. I've also tried option 2 - using a WPF rich textbox (in memory only) to load the RTF and then push out various output formats. It supports output to XAML but of course the XAML is not compliant with Silverlight. I have my fingers crossed for the component one control but I'm not hopeful. I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions on how to approach this and if anyone has found a good RTF control for silverlight. Client side is SL4 and server side is .Net 4.0. Cheers, Steven Nagy Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.netsip:steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.namehttp://azure.snagy.name/ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: RTF in silverlight
Not really a complete answer, but... I needed to display a small amount of static RTF, I opened blend and copied the text in, it kept all of the formatting (well enough) including working hyperlinks (which was what I was after). How to do this on an ongoing automated way? Sorry, I have not done that yet. Good luck On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven Nagy steven.n...@readify.netwrote: Hi all, I've got the a bunch of RTF coming from a service call that needs to render. I have two options: Find a control that can render RTF or convert the RTF to something else on the server side that can be rendered natively. For option 1, it seems the new SL4 RichTextbox doesn't support RTF (unless I've missed the mechanism for importing RTF text into the control?). I've trialed the DevExpress tool but it fails to render RTF with tables. I'm currently pulling down the ComponentOne RichTextbox to see if it does any better. I've also tried option 2 - using a WPF rich textbox (in memory only) to load the RTF and then push out various output formats. It supports output to XAML but of course the XAML is not compliant with Silverlight. I have my fingers crossed for the component one control but I'm not hopeful. I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions on how to approach this and if anyone has found a good RTF control for silverlight. Client side is SL4 and server side is .Net 4.0. Cheers, *Steven Nagy *Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.name ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
