Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-23 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-04-21T09:57:02, Andrew Beekhof and...@beekhof.net wrote:

 Because the author wanted it removed from Pacemaker, at which point someone 
 would have needed to navigate the red tape to get it back into the 
 distribution.

It is easier to include a new package in Fedora than to manage a package
split? I had no idea.



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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-20 Thread Andrew Beekhof

On 19/04/2013, at 8:18 PM, emmanuel segura emi2f...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know why redhat doesn't give to the users the alternatives to use 
 what they want

Because they'd have to support both options which means double the engineering 
+ QE effort.
More actually because people would end up using both and there would surely be 
subtle interaction issues.

 
 sorry for my ugly english :-)
 
 Thanks
 
 
 2013/4/19 T. nos...@godawa.de
 Hi Chris,
 
  No, you're definitely not missing anything.  The 'pcs cluster cib'
  output isn't pretty.
 why there is an approach to build a new config-tool at all?
 
 Why not use the crmsh? Why it was dropped in the RHEL-build?
 Does it have some relevant disadvantages?
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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-20 Thread Andrew Beekhof

On 19/04/2013, at 7:37 PM, T. nos...@godawa.de wrote:

 Hi Chris,
 
 No, you're definitely not missing anything.  The 'pcs cluster cib'
 output isn't pretty.
 why there is an approach to build a new config-tool at all?
 
 Why not use the crmsh? Why it was dropped in the RHEL-build?

Because the author wanted it removed from Pacemaker, at which point someone 
would have needed to navigate the red tape to get it back into the distribution.

This is something anyone can do for Fedora, but despite a lot of hollering, it 
appears no-one has had sufficient motivation.

 Does it have some relevant disadvantages?

Yes, see the original announcement thread.

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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-19 Thread T.
Hi Chris,

 No, you're definitely not missing anything.  The 'pcs cluster cib'
 output isn't pretty.
why there is an approach to build a new config-tool at all?

Why not use the crmsh? Why it was dropped in the RHEL-build?
Does it have some relevant disadvantages?
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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-19 Thread emmanuel segura
I don't know why redhat doesn't give to the users the alternatives to use
what they want

sorry for my ugly english :-)

Thanks


2013/4/19 T. nos...@godawa.de

 Hi Chris,

  No, you're definitely not missing anything.  The 'pcs cluster cib'
  output isn't pretty.
 why there is an approach to build a new config-tool at all?

 Why not use the crmsh? Why it was dropped in the RHEL-build?
 Does it have some relevant disadvantages?
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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-17 Thread T.
Hi,

 b) If I can't do it woith pcs, is there a reliable
 and secure way to do it with pacemaker low level tools?
why not just installing the crmsh from a different repository?

This is what I have done on CentOS 6.4.
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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-17 Thread Andreas Mock
Hi all,

thank you for your hints. 

Can you please point me to a repository where I can find
crmsh fitting to RHEL6.4 or clones?

Best regards
Andreas Mock



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On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:57 AM, T. wrote:

 Hi,
 
 b) If I can't do it woith pcs, is there a reliable and secure way to 
 do it with pacemaker low level tools?
 why not just installing the crmsh from a different repository?
 
 This is what I have done on CentOS 6.4.

My sentiments exactly. And erase is not the most important missed
functionality. 
crm configure save, crm configure load (update | replace) is what made
configurations easily manageable and trackable with a version control
software.

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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-17 Thread T.
Hi,

 Can you please point me to a repository where I can find
 crmsh fitting to RHEL6.4 or clones?
haven't looked if there is a repo-file, I just installed via RPM:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/network:/ha-clustering/CentOS_CentOS-6/x86_64/crmsh-1.2.5-55.3.x86_64.rpm

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/network:/ha-clustering/CentOS_CentOS-6/x86_64/pssh-2.3.1-15.1.x86_64.rpm


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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-17 Thread Andreas Mock
Thank you for the links.

Best regards
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Hi,

 Can you please point me to a repository where I can find crmsh fitting 
 to RHEL6.4 or clones?
haven't looked if there is a repo-file, I just installed via RPM:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/network:/ha-clustering/CentOS_Cent
OS-6/x86_64/crmsh-1.2.5-55.3.x86_64.rpm

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/network:/ha-clustering/CentOS_Cent
OS-6/x86_64/pssh-2.3.1-15.1.x86_64.rpm


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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-17 Thread Andrew Beekhof

On 18/04/2013, at 2:13 AM, Vadym Chepkov vchep...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:57 AM, T. wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 b) If I can't do it woith pcs, is there a reliable
 and secure way to do it with pacemaker low level tools?
 why not just installing the crmsh from a different repository?
 
 This is what I have done on CentOS 6.4.
 
 My sentiments exactly. And erase is not the most important missed 
 functionality. 
 crm configure save, crm configure load (update | replace) is what made 
 configurations easily manageable 
 and trackable with a version control software.

I'm sure Chris is listening.
Maybe he knows of some way to approximate this behaviour already.

 
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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-17 Thread Chris Feist

On 04/17/13 11:13, Vadym Chepkov wrote:


On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:57 AM, T. wrote:


Hi,


b) If I can't do it woith pcs, is there a reliable
and secure way to do it with pacemaker low level tools?

why not just installing the crmsh from a different repository?

This is what I have done on CentOS 6.4.


My sentiments exactly. And erase is not the most important missed 
functionality.
crm configure save, crm configure load (update | replace) is what made 
configurations easily manageable
and trackable with a version control software.


There is currently a command in pcs ('pcs cluster cib'  'pcs cluster push cib') 
to save and replace the current cib, however it will save the actual xml from 
the cib, so reading/editing the file might be a little more complicated than 
output from 'crm configure save'.


Thanks!
Chris



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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-17 Thread Vadym Chepkov

On Apr 17, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Chris Feist wrote:

 On 04/17/13 11:13, Vadym Chepkov wrote:
 
 On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:57 AM, T. wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 b) If I can't do it woith pcs, is there a reliable
 and secure way to do it with pacemaker low level tools?
 why not just installing the crmsh from a different repository?
 
 This is what I have done on CentOS 6.4.
 
 My sentiments exactly. And erase is not the most important missed 
 functionality.
 crm configure save, crm configure load (update | replace) is what made 
 configurations easily manageable
 and trackable with a version control software.
 
 There is currently a command in pcs ('pcs cluster cib'  'pcs cluster push 
 cib') to save and replace the current cib, however it will save the actual 
 xml from the cib, so reading/editing the file might be a little more 
 complicated than output from 'crm configure save'.

I might be missing something, but how is it different from old dark cibadmin 
days ;) ?

Thanks,
Vadym




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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-16 Thread Andreas Mock
Hi all,

I try to bring that topic up once again because
it's still unresolved for me:

a) How can I do the equivalent of 'crm configure erase'
in pcs? Is there a way?

b) If I can't do it woith pcs, is there a reliable
and secure way to do it with pacemaker low level tools?

Thank you in advance.

Best regards
Andreas


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On 14/04/2013, at 5:52 PM, Andreas Mock andreas.m...@web.de wrote:

 Hi all,
  
 can someone tell me what the pcs equivalent to
 crm configure erase is?
  
 Is there a pcs cheat sheet showing the common tasks?
 Or a documentation?

pcs help should be reasonably informative, but I don't see anything
equivalent
Chris?

  
 Best regards
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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-16 Thread Rasto Levrinc
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Andreas Mock andreas.m...@web.de wrote:
 Hi all,

 I try to bring that topic up once again because
 it's still unresolved for me:

 a) How can I do the equivalent of 'crm configure erase'
 in pcs? Is there a way?

 b) If I can't do it woith pcs, is there a reliable
 and secure way to do it with pacemaker low level tools?

I don't think so. cibadmin has a drastic version of erase, but this is
probably not what you want. If you don't want to use any higher level
tools, the best way is to probably make a loop and use pcs to remove the
resources, since it also removes also the constraints, not sure about other
objects.

something like:

for r in `crm_resource -l`; do pcs resource delete $r; done

But test it first, I haven't used pcs myself yet.

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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-16 Thread Andreas Mock
Hi Rastislav,

thank you for your hints.

In this case, only to rely on pcs, I could
probably use the following to get the list
of resources:

pcs resource show --all | perl -M5.010 -ane 'say $F[1] if $F[0] eq
Resource:'

Best regards
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On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Andreas Mock andreas.m...@web.de wrote:
 Hi all,

 I try to bring that topic up once again because
 it's still unresolved for me:

 a) How can I do the equivalent of 'crm configure erase'
 in pcs? Is there a way?

 b) If I can't do it woith pcs, is there a reliable
 and secure way to do it with pacemaker low level tools?

I don't think so. cibadmin has a drastic version of erase, but this is
probably not what you want. If you don't want to use any higher level
tools, the best way is to probably make a loop and use pcs to remove the
resources, since it also removes also the constraints, not sure about other
objects.

something like:

for r in `crm_resource -l`; do pcs resource delete $r; done

But test it first, I haven't used pcs myself yet.

Rasto

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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-16 Thread Chris Feist

On 04/14/13 02:52, Andreas Mock wrote:

Hi all,

can someone tell me what the pcs equivalent to

crm configure erase is?


From my understanding, 'crm configure erase' will remove everything from the 
configuration file except for the nodes.


Are you trying to clear your configuration out and start from scratch?

pcs has a destroy command (pcs cluster destroy), which will remove all 
pacemaker/corosync configuration and allow you to create your cluster from 
scratch.  Is this what you're looking for?


Or do you need a specific command to keep the cluster running, but reset the cib 
to its defaults?


Thanks!
Chris



Is there a pcs cheat sheet showing the common tasks?

Or a documentation?

Best regards

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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-16 Thread Andreas Mock
Hi Chris,

I would like to see something where you can start your
pacemaker configuration (only) from scratch.
In a way, so that you know nothing is left (constraints, etc.).

Best regards
Andreas


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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. April 2013 00:23
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On 04/14/13 02:52, Andreas Mock wrote:
 Hi all,

 can someone tell me what the pcs equivalent to

 crm configure erase is?

 From my understanding, 'crm configure erase' will remove everything from
the configuration file except for the nodes.

Are you trying to clear your configuration out and start from scratch?

pcs has a destroy command (pcs cluster destroy), which will remove all
pacemaker/corosync configuration and allow you to create your cluster from
scratch.  Is this what you're looking for?

Or do you need a specific command to keep the cluster running, but reset the
cib to its defaults?

Thanks!
Chris


 Is there a pcs cheat sheet showing the common tasks?

 Or a documentation?

 Best regards

 Andreas



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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-15 Thread Andreas Mock
Hi Andrew,

the emphasis lies on ' reasonably'...  ;-)

I'll see whether someone can show hints.

Best regards
Andreas


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On 14/04/2013, at 5:52 PM, Andreas Mock andreas.m...@web.de wrote:

 Hi all,
  
 can someone tell me what the pcs equivalent to crm configure erase is?
  
 Is there a pcs cheat sheet showing the common tasks?
 Or a documentation?

pcs help should be reasonably informative, but I don't see anything
equivalent Chris?

  
 Best regards
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Re: [Pacemaker] pcs equivalent of crm configure erase

2013-04-14 Thread Andrew Beekhof

On 14/04/2013, at 5:52 PM, Andreas Mock andreas.m...@web.de wrote:

 Hi all,
  
 can someone tell me what the pcs equivalent to
 crm configure erase is?
  
 Is there a pcs cheat sheet showing the common tasks?
 Or a documentation?

pcs help should be reasonably informative, but I don't see anything equivalent
Chris?

  
 Best regards
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Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org