Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

2009-12-30 Thread robert Doc Wright
this program works fine. It will allow you to both speed up or slow down an 
audio file without changing the key.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?



Briaqn,

Check this out:

From: Wendy Sharpe w.sha...@tiscali.co.uk
To: 'Eyes Window' gw-i...@gwmicro.com
Subject: MaPlEr
I just realised my message to David was sent just to him, and I wanted to
send the URL to everyone, so here is my message below.
This sounds like a really good program.  I am definitely going to buy it.
The link,
for anyone interested, is:
http://www.mar-dy.com/MaPlEr/MaPlEr.php
You can download an MP3 presentation, which I have just listened to, and I
am really
impressed.
Wendy

At 08:26 PM 12/29/2009, you wrote:

hi matthew
hmm well I have tried winamp, but haven't found a usable solution to 
increasing speed.


Brian
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Subject: RE: how do you play mp3 audio books?


Hello Brian. I would recommend winamp. You can set bookmarks. They will 
also

play in order that they are set in the folder.

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Subject: how do you play mp3 audio books?

hi,
At times I come across good audio books in the mp3 format.
typically they are named or numbered and stored in a single folder.
but which player is capable of playing these regarding to the following
criteria?
1. they should be played in the right alphanummerical order they are 
stored

in.
2. you should be able to pause your reading, end the program, and 
continue

from the right spot the next time you want to listen.
3. you should be able to increase speed, so you wont fall asleep before 
the

first mp3 has ended. grin

Is this possible, and what solution would you recommend?

Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all of you nice audio freaks out
there!

Brian
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help please

2009-12-30 Thread Sean Waiting
Dear Friends

I am trying to install the vi-Player it keeps asking for the cerial number but 
when I type it in it says not valid can any body help.

all the best from sean waiting.
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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Gary Petraccaro

That's sad to hear.  My sincerest condolences.

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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


To all concerned,

I have sad news.
Richard passed on December 12, 2009 of a heart attack.
Some may know already, however, I'm sending this information to all of
Richards email contacts.
It was so sudden with no warning.
I know Richard receives many emails each day and I want to inform all those
who contacted him.

Sincerely,
Anthony and Teresa Costa

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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High Garry,
Have you tried using another audio file converter?
I use Switch to convert audio files from one format to another.
Mostly, I convert them to MP3's so that I can put them on my cell phone.
I have it sat to normal stereo and constant bit rate for highest quality
sound.
This is just a suggestion that I thought mite help you solve your problem.
My best regards.
 John.
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From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo.
Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software
settings.  It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a
particular file happen to be.  Any thoughts?
Thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and
make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel
separation.  I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct.  All
the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at
bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic
trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates.

Regards.

Kevin
E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com
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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hi!
aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info.
then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions.
Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High George,
Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block
amplifier on each one.
Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo
amplifier.
The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular
stereo.
Hope this helps.
 John.
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From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hi all!
I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to
mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo,
and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just
stereo.
my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I
can't seem to hear any difference at all there.
Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Gary Petraccaro

I have tried Nero 7 and Express Rip.  Same results.

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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High Garry,
Have you tried using another audio file converter?
I use Switch to convert audio files from one format to another.
Mostly, I convert them to MP3's so that I can put them on my cell phone.
I have it sat to normal stereo and constant bit rate for highest quality
sound.
This is just a suggestion that I thought mite help you solve your problem.
My best regards.
 John.
- Original Message - 
From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo.
Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software
settings.  It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a
particular file happen to be.  Any thoughts?
Thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and
make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel
separation.  I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct.  All
the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at
bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic
trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates.

Regards.

Kevin
E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com
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From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hi!
aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info.
then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions.
Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
- Original Message - 
From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High George,
Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block
amplifier on each one.
Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo
amplifier.
The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular
stereo.
Hope this helps.
 John.
- Original Message - 
From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hi all!
I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to
mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo,
and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just
stereo.
my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I
can't seem to hear any difference at all there.
Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

2009-12-30 Thread Gary Petraccaro
I would check to see if the pauses are particular to the same books.  If so, 
it's not likely to be the machine.


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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents



Who told you that?  I think you should read the manual.
On Dec 26, 2009, at 9:12 PM, Terrilynne wrote:

I have a Victor, and I don't like it much. The only thing that keeps me 
using it is that I can download my own books, when I want them, and no 
library is telling me that I have too many or I need to send them back. I 
find many things about the Victor irritating. For example, I hate how 
slowly the machine goes through a list of NLS books. You can't just hit 
the button five times and be five books further up or down the list, you 
have to listen to it read every single number, with puases between. And, 
sometimes, it stops after a number and pauses for a few seconds before 
reading either the book title or moving onto the next number.


I am supposing that they used less than the best options for software.

TerriLynne

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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Gary Petraccaro
I'm not sure what other programs to check with.  And, your right, I'm 
beginning to be suspicious.


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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


I'd be suspicious of Winamp then if you're saying that you're choosing
stereo rather than joint but Winamp keeps telling  you that your results are
joint.  Have you checked by looking at the properties in windows explorer or
any other programs that provide  MP3 file informaition?

Kevin
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From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo.
Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software
settings.  It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a
particular file happen to be.  Any thoughts?
Thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and
make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel
separation.  I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct.  All
the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at
bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic
trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates.

Regards.

Kevin
E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com
- Original Message - 
From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hi!
aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info.
then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions.
Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
- Original Message - 
From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High George,
Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block
amplifier on each one.
Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo
amplifier.
The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular
stereo.
Hope this helps.
 John.
- Original Message - 
From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hi all!
I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to
mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo,
and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just
stereo.
my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I
can't seem to hear any difference at all there.
Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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RE: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

2009-12-30 Thread Tim Grady
The real difference is that the Plextalk is an accessible recorder which
happens to have some of the features of a book reader.  The booksense and VR
Stream are book readers which happen to record. 

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On Behalf Of Brett Boyer
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 7:38 AM
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Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

So now what are the main differences between the book sense and the
plextalk?
bb
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To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:31 AM
Subject: RE: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents


I have often wondered why you would have the ability to record in .wav  
format and then not have the capibility to set a proper recording level?

 Surely if you do not need to set recording levels then mp3 would be 
 good enough?



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 From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org 
 [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
 On Behalf Of Michael D. Barber
 Sent: 24 December 2009 02:17 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

 Hi:  Both units will play NLS books as well as audible.com books.  You 
 can record both wav and MP3 files on the booksense but on the stream 
 if you want
 MP3 files you have to convert them.  The Stream already offers RFBD 
 support where RFBD will be available soon on the Sense as soon as 
 RFBD add it to their list of Daisy players.  If you read a lot of 
 electronic documents or bookshare books, you probably want the 
 booksense because of the Kate and Paul voices which are much better to 
 listen to than the synthesizer on the Stream.
 The speaker volume is better on the Sense, if this makes any 
 difference to you.
 Navigation is different on the Booksense, but not hard to learn.  From 
 what I've been hearing, the Stream is going to be adding some new 
 features soon, but you will have to pay to have them.
 Hope this is helpful.

 Michael Barber
 - Original Message -
 From: Denny Daughters de...@dennydaughters.com
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:28 PM
 Subject: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents


 Hello guys,
I've listened to reviews on both the book cents and victor stream.
 What kinds of things should I consider when looking at getting either 
 one or the other? I want to be able to play NLS, Recording For the 
 Blind books

 and MP3s among other things.  The book cents is getting the RFB and D 
 Support.  What other things should I consider when looking at these 2 
 machines? How is the response time between the 2? Any problems with 
 the 2 machines? Can you record in wave format and stereo? What's the 
 speed compression like?? Can you speed up music and books on both 
 machines if you want? Thank you guys for any feedback.
 Denny
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RE: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

2009-12-30 Thread André van Deventer
Horses for courses then as I said before.  It depends on what you want to
do.

 

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On Behalf Of Tim Grady
Sent: 30 December 2009 12:18 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

The real difference is that the Plextalk is an accessible recorder which
happens to have some of the features of a book reader.  The booksense and VR
Stream are book readers which happen to record. 

-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Brett Boyer
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 7:38 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

So now what are the main differences between the book sense and the
plextalk?
bb
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From: André van Deventer andred...@webafrica.org.za
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:31 AM
Subject: RE: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents


I have often wondered why you would have the ability to record in .wav 
format and then not have the capibility to set a proper recording level?

 Surely if you do not need to set recording levels then mp3 would be 
 good enough?



 -Original Message-
 From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
 [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
 On Behalf Of Michael D. Barber
 Sent: 24 December 2009 02:17 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

 Hi:  Both units will play NLS books as well as audible.com books.  You 
 can record both wav and MP3 files on the booksense but on the stream 
 if you want
 MP3 files you have to convert them.  The Stream already offers RFBD 
 support where RFBD will be available soon on the Sense as soon as 
 RFBD add it to their list of Daisy players.  If you read a lot of 
 electronic documents or bookshare books, you probably want the 
 booksense because of the Kate and Paul voices which are much better to 
 listen to than the synthesizer on the Stream.
 The speaker volume is better on the Sense, if this makes any 
 difference to you.
 Navigation is different on the Booksense, but not hard to learn.  From 
 what I've been hearing, the Stream is going to be adding some new 
 features soon, but you will have to pay to have them.
 Hope this is helpful.

 Michael Barber
 - Original Message -
 From: Denny Daughters de...@dennydaughters.com
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:28 PM
 Subject: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents


 Hello guys,
I've listened to reviews on both the book cents and victor stream.
 What kinds of things should I consider when looking at getting either 
 one or the other? I want to be able to play NLS, Recording For the 
 Blind books

 and MP3s among other things.  The book cents is getting the RFB and D 
 Support.  What other things should I consider when looking at these 2 
 machines? How is the response time between the 2? Any problems with 
 the 2 machines? Can you record in wave format and stereo? What's the 
 speed compression like?? Can you speed up music and books on both 
 machines if you want? Thank you guys for any feedback.
 Denny
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RE: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

2009-12-30 Thread Tim Grady
No reason to keep repeating yourself, that's the difference,
which was the question asked.  Now, there are reasons why I have said this,
and although you may not like what's being said, really the PTP belongs in
the discussion of digital recorders, because as a book player it is
infierior to the Stream or Booksense. 

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On Behalf Of André van Deventer
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:26 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

Horses for courses then as I said before.  It depends on what you want to
do.

 

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On Behalf Of Tim Grady
Sent: 30 December 2009 12:18 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

The real difference is that the Plextalk is an accessible recorder which
happens to have some of the features of a book reader.  The booksense and VR
Stream are book readers which happen to record. 

-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Brett Boyer
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 7:38 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

So now what are the main differences between the book sense and the
plextalk?
bb
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From: André van Deventer andred...@webafrica.org.za
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:31 AM
Subject: RE: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents


I have often wondered why you would have the ability to record in .wav 
format and then not have the capibility to set a proper recording level?

 Surely if you do not need to set recording levels then mp3 would be 
 good enough?



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 On Behalf Of Michael D. Barber
 Sent: 24 December 2009 02:17 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

 Hi:  Both units will play NLS books as well as audible.com books.  You 
 can record both wav and MP3 files on the booksense but on the stream 
 if you want
 MP3 files you have to convert them.  The Stream already offers RFBD 
 support where RFBD will be available soon on the Sense as soon as 
 RFBD add it to their list of Daisy players.  If you read a lot of 
 electronic documents or bookshare books, you probably want the 
 booksense because of the Kate and Paul voices which are much better to 
 listen to than the synthesizer on the Stream.
 The speaker volume is better on the Sense, if this makes any 
 difference to you.
 Navigation is different on the Booksense, but not hard to learn.  From 
 what I've been hearing, the Stream is going to be adding some new 
 features soon, but you will have to pay to have them.
 Hope this is helpful.

 Michael Barber
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 From: Denny Daughters de...@dennydaughters.com
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:28 PM
 Subject: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents


 Hello guys,
I've listened to reviews on both the book cents and victor stream.
 What kinds of things should I consider when looking at getting either 
 one or the other? I want to be able to play NLS, Recording For the 
 Blind books

 and MP3s among other things.  The book cents is getting the RFB and D 
 Support.  What other things should I consider when looking at these 2 
 machines? How is the response time between the 2? Any problems with 
 the 2 machines? Can you record in wave format and stereo? What's the 
 speed compression like?? Can you speed up music and books on both 
 machines if you want? Thank you guys for any feedback.
 Denny
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yamaha s90xs

2009-12-30 Thread Les Gordon

hello, does anyone on the list either have one or used the new yamaha s90xs? 
this is supposed to be super user friendly.
just looking for tips about it.

thanks les.

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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Les Gordon
hi, you might want to check to see that settings are saved. it sounds like 
the program is defaulting to a specific setting.
once you select normal stereo and save that setting, it should stay 
selected.

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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


I have tried Nero 7 and Express Rip.  Same results.

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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High Garry,
Have you tried using another audio file converter?
I use Switch to convert audio files from one format to another.
Mostly, I convert them to MP3's so that I can put them on my cell phone.
I have it sat to normal stereo and constant bit rate for highest quality
sound.
This is just a suggestion that I thought mite help you solve your problem.
My best regards.
 John.
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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo.
Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software
settings.  It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a
particular file happen to be.  Any thoughts?
Thanks.

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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and
make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel
separation.  I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct.  All
the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at
bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic
trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates.

Regards.

Kevin
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Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hi!
aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info.
then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions.
Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
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High George,
Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block
amplifier on each one.
Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo
amplifier.
The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular
stereo.
Hope this helps.
 John.
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Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hi all!
I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to
mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo,
and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just
stereo.
my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I
can't seem to hear any difference at all there.
Regards,
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RE: ITunes podcast question.

2009-12-30 Thread Jim Noseworthy
Hello:

I guess I should have said the podcast subscription list.

Cheers.



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Subject: Re: ITunes podcast question.

AAren't Podcasts just MP3  files? I mean if you go into the Podcasts folder
I'm sure that's what you'll find.



Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 Hi Folks:

 Is there a way to export an ITunes podcast list to import in to another
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RE: Digital Recorders

2009-12-30 Thread Amie Slavin
HI Dane
Thanks for this.  I'm going for the Plextor, partly because a back-up DAISY
player is a bonus, but mainly because my primary pro' recorder is the Sony
PCM D50 which is usable rather than fully accessible, so rather than go for
an unknown quantity, I'm figuring the full access offered by the PLextor is
the clincher.  Am still coveting an IPod Touch though; sounds excellent, and
would much rather be using mainstream products.  Looking forward to hearing
more about how everyone gets on with the Touch, for future reference.
Thanks again.
Amie


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On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
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Subject: Re: Digital Recorders

Okay, I'm not sure about the pricing of the PTP but the 32GB Ipod Touch 
with Voiceover starts from around $150.00.  No, DAISY books won't play 
on the Ipod Touch at this time but are we talking players or recorders?

Yes, the Ipod Touch is fully accessible or as accessible as the 
developers of applications such as Voxie Recorder Professional choose to 
make their applications, all the functionality is in the Ipod Touch or 
Iphone so its just a matter of pointing this out to the developers 
should the need arise and - thankfully - with Voxie, their's no need for 
this.



Amie Slavin wrote:
 So how to choose between IPod Touch and PTP then?  IF we're talking the 32
 and 64 GB Touch versions then the price is pretty similar, is it not?
 Anyone used the Touch as a recorder?  Is it really fully accessible?  
 Also, probably silly question this, but will daisy books play on it,
albeit
 with the legendary daisy formatting stripped out?
 Thanks
 Amie


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 Subject: Digital Recorders

 Hi!

 Okay, I've had a few private emails about the email I sent earlier 
 discussing the Iphone, everything I discussed also applies to the latter 
 versions of Ipod Touch both 32 and 64GB versions so as you can see! you 
 can have yourself quite a little cheap and accessible digital recorder 
 smile.


   

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RE: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

2009-12-30 Thread Amie Slavin
Thank to you and your friend for this explanation; very useful.
Amie


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On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: 26 December 2009 22:05
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

Okay, I just consulted an audio engineer abut what you wrote about minimum
bit rates for VBR encoding and here's his response, it also talks about
setting VBR quality and I'll have a few words to say about this after his
quotation which follows:

 Well, basically it depends on what you're trying to do.  There are several
factors that contribute to VBR quality (apart from encoding quality settings
of course).  Most immediately noticeable is the over-all VBR quality
setting, which `weights' the VBR result between the minimum and maximum you
set. Imagine VBR as a set of scales swinging everywhere between min. and
max. depending on what's going into the encode.  VBR quality simply
determines how the scales are weighted, either more towards minimum or
maximum depending on what you set.  The higher VBR Quality, the less the
encoder will `throw away', and so the more it will weight the encode towards
the higher end of the scale. If the quality is set high enough, you won't
achieve *anything* by increasing the minimum; all you'll do is make your
file larger for no benefit, since the encoder will waste a load of bandwidth
encoding things (such as silence or low frequencies) that don't need it.
Conversely, if your VBR Quality setting is too low, the encoder will throw
away so much that everything will get pushed towards the lower end, and so
the Minimum setting will make a great deal more difference.  But even then,
all it will do is make your file bigger, and probably it won't help the
encode quality, since you shouldn't have set the quality so low in the first
place.
 
 So, basically, for normal operation, it's a complete waste of time pushing
up the minimum.  The exception is if you have a hardware player that can't
cope with very low bitrates (our Omni DVD players were hopeless with
anything below 64KbPS), unless, _perhaps_ if the source is *very* noisy (an
old dodgy cassette) where you don't want noise causing a load of artifacts,
but you still want the file as small as possible.  But under those
circumstances, you'd be far better off processing the original source and
removing as much noise as possible without damaging the audio _before_
encoding.
 
 The only other reason you might want to push up the minimum is if the
encoder has a dodgy VBR algorithm that tends to push too much towards the
bottom of the scale, even when the VBR Quality setting is high.  LAME's
`--vbr-old' algorithm is excellent, but `--vbr-New' still has problems.
Unfortunately, other encoders (such as Fraunhofer) are a *hell* of a lot
worse, so if you're forced to use them, it might be worth it.
 
 Anyway, hope this explains things; basically, unless you have a very
specific need, don't play with Min/Max bitrates - you're likely only to get
worse encodes and bigger files.

Thank you kind Sir for your time and trouble smile so now to my additional
notation about VBR quality and this can add to confusion.  When setting VBR
quality it works in the reverse as it looks, in other words the lower the
number the higher the VBR quality, 3 or 4 may be a good setting for music,
for mono audio or talking books, audio documentaries etc try say between 4
and 6.

On 27/12/2009, at 6:38 AM, Kevin Lloyd wrote:

 The only point I'd add to Dane's notes is that I have read advice around
not setting your variable floor too low.  I'd suggest for music that you set
the floor to 128kbps rather than the suggestion below of 16kbps.
 
 Regards.
 
 Kevin
 E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com
 - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan
grtd...@internode.on.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: Pros and cons of varible bit rate
 
 
 I suppose it comes down once again to personal preference, I've been
using varriable bit rates for youears.
 
 As I understand it, encoding with a varriable bit rate takes a lot longer
as the encoder looks at every sample of the song thus deciding what bit rate
it should be encoded at, silence for example is encoded at a lower bit rate
than a full sample of orchestra sound, minimum and maximum bit rates for
variable encoding are set up with your encoding engine such as LAME so for
the best and accurate results you're better off doing this sort of thing
manually with a command line so use an app which supports this, Exact Audio
Copy is an excellent choice here.
 
 Their are several methods of VBR encoding, Old and new, new is
quicker for those jobs you want out the door fast but quality isn't quite as
good if you're picky, with today's flying processor speeds you may as well
use Old.
 
 Also note that some older players may not handle VBR playback though I
haven't 

RE: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

2009-12-30 Thread Amie Slavin
Does the PLextor handle vbr?
Amie


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On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: 27 December 2009 00:15
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

So there we are, the first audio players I've heard of that won't touch VBR
smile.


On 27/12/2009, at 11:03 AM, Tim Noonan wrote:

 Also,
 
 There are devices, even modern ones, which don't reliably, or indeed at
all,
 cope with VBR.
 
 The Olympus machines, even the DM-520  are a case in point - so use VBR
with
 care if you want to guarantee everyone and everything can play your MP3
 files.
 
 Regards
 Tim
 
 Tim Noonan
 Director, Vocal Branding Australia
 Transforming products, brands and experiences so they Sound as great as
they
 look and feel!
 
 Phone:   +61 419 779 669
 Web: www.vocalbranding.com.au/blog
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 Twitter: www.twitter.com/VocalEssence
 Skype: TimNoonan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
 On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 9:05 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Pros and cons of varible bit rate
 
 Okay, I just consulted an audio engineer abut what you wrote about minimum
 bit rates for VBR encoding and here's his response, it also talks about
 setting VBR quality and I'll have a few words to say about this after his
 quotation which follows:
 
 Well, basically it depends on what you're trying to do.  There are
several
 factors that contribute to VBR quality (apart from encoding quality
settings
 of course).  Most immediately noticeable is the over-all VBR quality
 setting, which `weights' the VBR result between the minimum and maximum
you
 set. Imagine VBR as a set of scales swinging everywhere between min. and
 max. depending on what's going into the encode.  VBR quality simply
 determines how the scales are weighted, either more towards minimum or
 maximum depending on what you set.  The higher VBR Quality, the less the
 encoder will `throw away', and so the more it will weight the encode
towards
 the higher end of the scale. If the quality is set high enough, you won't
 achieve *anything* by increasing the minimum; all you'll do is make your
 file larger for no benefit, since the encoder will waste a load of
bandwidth
 encoding things (such as silence or low frequencies) that don't need it.
 Conversely, if your VBR Quality setting is too low, the encoder will throw
 away so much that everything will get pushed towards the lower end, and so
 the Minimum setting will make a great deal more difference.  But even
then,
 all it will do is make your file bigger, and probably it won't help the
 encode quality, since you shouldn't have set the quality so low in the
first
 place.
 
 So, basically, for normal operation, it's a complete waste of time
pushing
 up the minimum.  The exception is if you have a hardware player that can't
 cope with very low bitrates (our Omni DVD players were hopeless with
 anything below 64KbPS), unless, _perhaps_ if the source is *very* noisy
(an
 old dodgy cassette) where you don't want noise causing a load of
artifacts,
 but you still want the file as small as possible.  But under those
 circumstances, you'd be far better off processing the original source and
 removing as much noise as possible without damaging the audio _before_
 encoding.
 
 The only other reason you might want to push up the minimum is if the
 encoder has a dodgy VBR algorithm that tends to push too much towards the
 bottom of the scale, even when the VBR Quality setting is high.  LAME's
 `--vbr-old' algorithm is excellent, but `--vbr-New' still has problems.
 Unfortunately, other encoders (such as Fraunhofer) are a *hell* of a lot
 worse, so if you're forced to use them, it might be worth it.
 
 Anyway, hope this explains things; basically, unless you have a very
 specific need, don't play with Min/Max bitrates - you're likely only to
get
 worse encodes and bigger files.
 
 Thank you kind Sir for your time and trouble smile so now to my
additional
 notation about VBR quality and this can add to confusion.  When setting
VBR
 quality it works in the reverse as it looks, in other words the lower the
 number the higher the VBR quality, 3 or 4 may be a good setting for music,
 for mono audio or talking books, audio documentaries etc try say between 4
 and 6.
 
 On 27/12/2009, at 6:38 AM, Kevin Lloyd wrote:
 
 The only point I'd add to Dane's notes is that I have read advice around
 not setting your variable floor too low.  I'd suggest for music that you
set
 the floor to 128kbps rather than the suggestion below of 16kbps.
 
 Regards.
 
 Kevin
 E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com
 - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: Pros and cons of varible 

RE: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

2009-12-30 Thread Amie Slavin
So is there any difference between ABR set to a higher bit rate and VBR with
the quality set to the highest?
Amie


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On Behalf Of Kevin Lloyd
Sent: 27 December 2009 14:00
To: Kevin Lloyd; PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

and here's a reference to the choices around minimum bit rates when using 
VBR:
CDex Manual
File Edit Bookmark Options Help
Contents Index Back Print Up  
Bitrate Options:
There are three types of bitrate options that you can specify for each the 
encoder (although some encoders may not allow any options).
1) Constant Bitrate (CBR)
This is the default encoding mode, and also the most basic. In this mode, 
the  bitrate will be the same throughout the whole file.  So, a second of 
audio
from one
part of the file takes just as much disk space as a second from any other 
part of that file -- regardless of whether either part is silence, 
acoustically
simple, or
quite complex.  This means that you are likely to hear distortion more in 
the complex parts than in the simple parts.  The advantage of CBR formats is

that
even
older players understand them, and that you can reliably predict the file 
size from the duration of the sound (or vice versa).
2) Average Bitrate (ABR)
In this mode, you tell the encoder to aim for an average bitrate that you 
specify, skimping on the simpler parts of the music, and using higher 
bitrates
for the parts
of your music that are more complex. The result will be of higher quality 
than you'd get in a CBR encoded file of the same size. This mode is highly 
recommended

over CBR. This encoding mode is similar to VBR.
3) Variable bitrate (VBR)
In this mode, you say what level of quality you want in the output file, and

the encoder compresses each second as best it can to get just that level of
quality -- 
using less information to represent simpler parts of the song, and more 
information to represent the more complex parts. However, this mode relies 
heavily
on the
encoder's model of how you perceive quality, and could lead to a few bad 
choices in the encoding process. If possible, you may want to specify a 
minimum

bitrate (e.g., 64 Kbps) to avoid those potential errors. 


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Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

2009-12-30 Thread Brett Boyer

interesting
bb
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The real difference is that the Plextalk is an accessible recorder which
happens to have some of the features of a book reader.  The booksense and VR
Stream are book readers which happen to record.

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Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 7:38 AM
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Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

So now what are the main differences between the book sense and the
plextalk?
bb
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I have often wondered why you would have the ability to record in .wav
format and then not have the capibility to set a proper recording level?

Surely if you do not need to set recording levels then mp3 would be
good enough?



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Hi:  Both units will play NLS books as well as audible.com books.  You
can record both wav and MP3 files on the booksense but on the stream
if you want
MP3 files you have to convert them.  The Stream already offers RFBD
support where RFBD will be available soon on the Sense as soon as
RFBD add it to their list of Daisy players.  If you read a lot of
electronic documents or bookshare books, you probably want the
booksense because of the Kate and Paul voices which are much better to
listen to than the synthesizer on the Stream.
The speaker volume is better on the Sense, if this makes any
difference to you.
Navigation is different on the Booksense, but not hard to learn.  From
what I've been hearing, the Stream is going to be adding some new
features soon, but you will have to pay to have them.
Hope this is helpful.

Michael Barber
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Subject: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents



Hello guys,
   I've listened to reviews on both the book cents and victor stream.
What kinds of things should I consider when looking at getting either
one or the other? I want to be able to play NLS, Recording For the
Blind books



and MP3s among other things.  The book cents is getting the RFB and D
Support.  What other things should I consider when looking at these 2
machines? How is the response time between the 2? Any problems with
the 2 machines? Can you record in wave format and stereo? What's the
speed compression like?? Can you speed up music and books on both
machines if you want? Thank you guys for any feedback.
Denny
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Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Victoria Vaughan

Hi, Thanks John, for the explanation.

Vicky
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Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High Vicky,
No, the voice is always in the middle.
It just gives better separation of the other instruments.
It is like having the keyboards in one speaker, the percussions in the other
speaker.
While the drums and bass are pan to both speakers.
In the late 50's and early 60's, that is how early stereo was recorded.
The music in one speaker, while the voices were in the other speaker.
In the mid to late 60's, they got away from that.
Putting the voices in the middle is pretty much the norm and has been cense
1965.
Hope this helps you.
My best regards.
 John.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hi, When you say, Better separation, does this separate voices into one
speaker and the music into the other?  I wouldn't like that.

However, when I had a base and treble equalizer, I could bring specific
sounds into prominence, which I really liked.  Sadly, it died.

Vicky
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Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


As a footnote to this I'm sure I've read somewhere in the LAME documentation
that Joint Stereo should be used for encoding at variable and lower bit
rates so perhaps your explanation of joint stereo below goes some way to
explaining this statement smile.


On 27/12/2009, at 1:53 AM, DJ DOCTOR P wrote:


High George,
Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono 
block amplifier on each one.
Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a 
stereo amplifier.
The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular 
stereo.

Hope this helps.
John.
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Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hi all!
I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to 
mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint 
stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo 
or just stereo.
my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I 
can't seem to hear any difference at all there.

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Re: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

2009-12-30 Thread Kevin Lloyd
Yep, there would be a difference but the higher the ABR then the smaller the 
difference between the resulting file and that encoded using high quality 
VBR.  For example, if you set your ABR to 300kbps then ABR would steal a 
little from less complex parts of the music and use those to supplement 
parts of the music that are more complex and need more than 300kbps.  The 
result is that ABR will try to maintain a jagged line around the 300kbps 
mark so imagine it just dropping slightly above and below the line through 
the music track.  With VBR with a maximum of 320kbps then you are guaranteed 
that if a long part of the track needs 320kbps then it will get that.  You 
don't have that guarantee with ABR because it may not have enough bits in 
hand from the less complex parts of the track to maintain 320kbps for the 
same amount of time and may instead cap it at 310kbps.


ABR is a poor man's VBR where it is important that you can predict the file 
size.  Much better than constant bit rates of less than 320kbps though.  For 
example, a file at ABR of 256kbps will sound better than a file encoded with 
a constant bit rate of 256kbps.  The reason being that the ABR file will be 
fluctuating just above and below the 256kbps mark as required whereas the 
constant bit rate will have been crudely chopped as soon as it needed to go 
above 256kbps.


Regards.

Kevin
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To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pros and cons of varible bit rate


So is there any difference between ABR set to a higher bit rate and VBR 
with

the quality set to the highest?
Amie


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On Behalf Of Kevin Lloyd
Sent: 27 December 2009 14:00
To: Kevin Lloyd; PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

and here's a reference to the choices around minimum bit rates when using
VBR:
CDex Manual
File Edit Bookmark Options Help
Contents Index Back Print Up  
Bitrate Options:
There are three types of bitrate options that you can specify for each the
encoder (although some encoders may not allow any options).
1) Constant Bitrate (CBR)
This is the default encoding mode, and also the most basic. In this mode,
the  bitrate will be the same throughout the whole file.  So, a second of
audio
from one
part of the file takes just as much disk space as a second from any other
part of that file -- regardless of whether either part is silence,
acoustically
simple, or
quite complex.  This means that you are likely to hear distortion more in
the complex parts than in the simple parts.  The advantage of CBR formats 
is


that
even
older players understand them, and that you can reliably predict the file
size from the duration of the sound (or vice versa).
2) Average Bitrate (ABR)
In this mode, you tell the encoder to aim for an average bitrate that you
specify, skimping on the simpler parts of the music, and using higher
bitrates
for the parts
of your music that are more complex. The result will be of higher quality
than you'd get in a CBR encoded file of the same size. This mode is highly
recommended

over CBR. This encoding mode is similar to VBR.
3) Variable bitrate (VBR)
In this mode, you say what level of quality you want in the output file, 
and


the encoder compresses each second as best it can to get just that level 
of
quality -- 
using less information to represent simpler parts of the song, and more

information to represent the more complex parts. However, this mode relies
heavily
on the
encoder's model of how you perceive quality, and could lead to a few bad
choices in the encoding process. If possible, you may want to specify a
minimum

bitrate (e.g., 64 Kbps) to avoid those potential errors.


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Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

2009-12-30 Thread Jörgen Hansson

Hi!
how about windows media player, or FS rReader, it can increes speed of the 
audio.

Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
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Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?



hi matthew
hmm well I have tried winamp, but haven't found a usable solution to 
increasing speed.


Brian
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:11 AM
Subject: RE: how do you play mp3 audio books?


Hello Brian. I would recommend winamp. You can set bookmarks. They will 
also

play in order that they are set in the folder.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:51 PM
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Subject: how do you play mp3 audio books?

hi,
At times I come across good audio books in the mp3 format.
typically they are named or numbered and stored in a single folder.
but which player is capable of playing these regarding to the following
criteria?
1. they should be played in the right alphanummerical order they are 
stored

in.
2. you should be able to pause your reading, end the program, and 
continue

from the right spot the next time you want to listen.
3. you should be able to increase speed, so you wont fall asleep before 
the

first mp3 has ended. grin

Is this possible, and what solution would you recommend?

Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all of you nice audio freaks out
there!

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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread DJ DOCTOR P

High Tom,
I wasn't born in the 60's, I was born in 1972.
But however, I have allot of old records that my mom dad grandpa and grandma 
had.

My record collection goes all the way back to the mid 20's.
But oh yes, I get what you are talking about.
Some jazz musicians are trying to bring that 50's/60's sound back, but I 
don't think they're doing to well with it.

But to me, it sounds really cool!
But somehow, MP3's leaves something more to be desired.
I wish there was a portable media player that could play ape wave and or any 
other lossless audio files.

My best regards.
 John.
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Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Yeah..and now it doesn't even have that same intensity anymore; when I 
listen to a stereo recording, it almost sounds now like the same 
instruments are coming through both channels!  Not so in the 60s; fact 
is..if you didn't have both speakers on, you didn't get all the 
instrumentation!

Tom Kaufman

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Re: Victor Reader Stream or Book Cents

2009-12-30 Thread Tim Grady
 between the 2? Any problems with
 the 2 machines? Can you record in wave format and stereo? What's the
 speed compression like?? Can you speed up music and books on both
 machines if you want? Thank you guys for any feedback.
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RE: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

2009-12-30 Thread Amie Slavin
So VBR with highest quality setting it is then.
Thank you for this full and very helpful explanation.
Cheers
Amie


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On Behalf Of Kevin Lloyd
Sent: 30 December 2009 13:40
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

Yep, there would be a difference but the higher the ABR then the smaller the

difference between the resulting file and that encoded using high quality 
VBR.  For example, if you set your ABR to 300kbps then ABR would steal a 
little from less complex parts of the music and use those to supplement 
parts of the music that are more complex and need more than 300kbps.  The 
result is that ABR will try to maintain a jagged line around the 300kbps 
mark so imagine it just dropping slightly above and below the line through 
the music track.  With VBR with a maximum of 320kbps then you are guaranteed

that if a long part of the track needs 320kbps then it will get that.  You 
don't have that guarantee with ABR because it may not have enough bits in 
hand from the less complex parts of the track to maintain 320kbps for the 
same amount of time and may instead cap it at 310kbps.

ABR is a poor man's VBR where it is important that you can predict the file 
size.  Much better than constant bit rates of less than 320kbps though.  For

example, a file at ABR of 256kbps will sound better than a file encoded with

a constant bit rate of 256kbps.  The reason being that the ABR file will be 
fluctuating just above and below the 256kbps mark as required whereas the 
constant bit rate will have been crudely chopped as soon as it needed to go 
above 256kbps.

Regards.

Kevin
E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com
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From: Amie Slavin amie.sla...@ntlworld.com
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pros and cons of varible bit rate


 So is there any difference between ABR set to a higher bit rate and VBR 
 with
 the quality set to the highest?
 Amie


 -Original Message-
 From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
 On Behalf Of Kevin Lloyd
 Sent: 27 December 2009 14:00
 To: Kevin Lloyd; PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Pros and cons of varible bit rate

 and here's a reference to the choices around minimum bit rates when using
 VBR:
 CDex Manual
 File Edit Bookmark Options Help
 Contents Index Back Print Up  
 Bitrate Options:
 There are three types of bitrate options that you can specify for each the
 encoder (although some encoders may not allow any options).
 1) Constant Bitrate (CBR)
 This is the default encoding mode, and also the most basic. In this mode,
 the  bitrate will be the same throughout the whole file.  So, a second of
 audio
 from one
 part of the file takes just as much disk space as a second from any other
 part of that file -- regardless of whether either part is silence,
 acoustically
 simple, or
 quite complex.  This means that you are likely to hear distortion more in
 the complex parts than in the simple parts.  The advantage of CBR formats 
 is

 that
 even
 older players understand them, and that you can reliably predict the file
 size from the duration of the sound (or vice versa).
 2) Average Bitrate (ABR)
 In this mode, you tell the encoder to aim for an average bitrate that you
 specify, skimping on the simpler parts of the music, and using higher
 bitrates
 for the parts
 of your music that are more complex. The result will be of higher quality
 than you'd get in a CBR encoded file of the same size. This mode is highly
 recommended

 over CBR. This encoding mode is similar to VBR.
 3) Variable bitrate (VBR)
 In this mode, you say what level of quality you want in the output file, 
 and

 the encoder compresses each second as best it can to get just that level 
 of
 quality -- 
 using less information to represent simpler parts of the song, and more
 information to represent the more complex parts. However, this mode relies
 heavily
 on the
 encoder's model of how you perceive quality, and could lead to a few bad
 choices in the encoding process. If possible, you may want to specify a
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Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

2009-12-30 Thread dan thompson

That is correct about the speed increase.  But can you bookmark?
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Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?


Hi!
how about windows media player, or FS rReader, it can increes speed of the
audio.
Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?



hi matthew
hmm well I have tried winamp, but haven't found a usable solution to 
increasing speed.


Brian
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:11 AM
Subject: RE: how do you play mp3 audio books?


Hello Brian. I would recommend winamp. You can set bookmarks. They will 
also

play in order that they are set in the folder.

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On Behalf Of Brian Olesen
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:51 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: how do you play mp3 audio books?

hi,
At times I come across good audio books in the mp3 format.
typically they are named or numbered and stored in a single folder.
but which player is capable of playing these regarding to the following
criteria?
1. they should be played in the right alphanummerical order they are 
stored

in.
2. you should be able to pause your reading, end the program, and 
continue

from the right spot the next time you want to listen.
3. you should be able to increase speed, so you wont fall asleep before 
the

first mp3 has ended. grin

Is this possible, and what solution would you recommend?

Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all of you nice audio freaks out
there!

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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Tom Kaufman
In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound 
they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow 
for it!  But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, 
wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it 
changed!
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Re: yamaha s90xs

2009-12-30 Thread Mac Norins
That's a Midi Mag question, isn't it, Les?  When I googled your title, I got 
that it is a Music keyboard!

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Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

2009-12-30 Thread Jörgen Hansson

Hi!
I think you can bookmark in windows media player or if not, you can do it in 
FS Reader.

Regards,
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Tel +46 703-601296
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That is correct about the speed increase.  But can you bookmark?
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Hi!
how about windows media player, or FS rReader, it can increes speed of the
audio.
Regards,
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Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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hi matthew
hmm well I have tried winamp, but haven't found a usable solution to 
increasing speed.


Brian
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Hello Brian. I would recommend winamp. You can set bookmarks. They will 
also

play in order that they are set in the folder.

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Subject: how do you play mp3 audio books?

hi,
At times I come across good audio books in the mp3 format.
typically they are named or numbered and stored in a single folder.
but which player is capable of playing these regarding to the following
criteria?
1. they should be played in the right alphanummerical order they are 
stored

in.
2. you should be able to pause your reading, end the program, and 
continue

from the right spot the next time you want to listen.
3. you should be able to increase speed, so you wont fall asleep before 
the

first mp3 has ended. grin

Is this possible, and what solution would you recommend?

Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all of you nice audio freaks out
there!

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Exact Audio Copy

2009-12-30 Thread Dane Trethowan
Hi everyone!

Okay, there seems to be a little confusion here, I put Exact Audio Copy up on 
sendspace a little over a week ago now so the link will no longer work.  
Secondly I didn't put up any tutorial on the software, I know there are 
tutorials about but I've never need one so as a consequence of that I've never 
gone looking for one nor do I own one smile.

People have been contacting me privately about an Exact Audio Copy Tutorial 
so I don't know where that all came from however, if anyone wants the software 
then certainly! I can upload it again.

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Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

2009-12-30 Thread Adrian Spratt
You also can't rewind in Windows Media Player, which is annoying if you miss 
a phrase.

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Hi! I think you can bookmark in windows media player or if not, you can do 
it in FS Reader. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 
www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532

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Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

That is correct about the speed increase. But can you bookmark?
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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

Hi! how about windows media player, or FS rReader, it can increes speed of 
the audio. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com 
skype: djtropical4532

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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

hi matthew hmm well I have tried winamp, but haven't found a usable solution 
to increasing speed.


Brian
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Subject: RE: how do you play mp3 audio books?

Hello Brian. I would recommend winamp. You can set bookmarks. They will also 
play in order that they are set in the folder.


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Subject: how do you play mp3 audio books?

hi, At times I come across good audio books in the mp3 format. typically 
they are named or numbered and stored in a single folder. but which player 
is capable of playing these regarding to the following criteria? 1. they 
should be played in the right alphanummerical order they are stored in. 2. 
you should be able to pause your reading, end the program, and continue from 
the right spot the next time you want to listen. 3. you should be able to 
increase speed, so you wont fall asleep before the first mp3 has ended. grin


Is this possible, and what solution would you recommend?

Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all of you nice audio freaks out 
there!


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Re: Exact Audio Copy

2009-12-30 Thread Tim Crawford

Hi,

While I'm not aware of a tutorial specifically dealing with eac from a 
screen reader perspective, the following sites provide some very 
comprehensive information on properly configuring, and getting the most out 
of the program.


There is also an exact audio copy e-mail list, where you can normally get 
help with most questions.

The subscription address is
eac-subscr...@yahoogroups.com

Best regards,

Tim.

http://xs.vc/eac/
http://filesharefreak.com/tutorials/properly-ripping-to-flac-with-eac-099/
http://hiphopiscoolagain.com/jiggafellz-step-by-step-guide-to-secure-cd-ripping-with-exact-audio-copy/


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Subject: Exact Audio Copy



Hi everyone!

Okay, there seems to be a little confusion here, I put Exact Audio Copy up 
on sendspace a little over a week ago now so the link will no longer work. 
Secondly I didn't put up any tutorial on the software, I know there are 
tutorials about but I've never need one so as a consequence of that I've 
never gone looking for one nor do I own one smile.


People have been contacting me privately about an Exact Audio Copy 
Tutorial so I don't know where that all came from however, if anyone 
wants the software then certainly! I can upload it again.


Cheers



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Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

2009-12-30 Thread Brian Olesen

hi john,
ah don't mind. :-) It's not a problem.

Brian
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Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?



Brian,

Sory I misstyped your name the first time.

John

At 11:05 PM 12/29/2009, you wrote:

Briaqn,

Check this out:

From: Wendy Sharpe w.sha...@tiscali.co.uk
To: 'Eyes Window' gw-i...@gwmicro.com
Subject: MaPlEr
I just realised my message to David was sent just to him, and I wanted to
send the URL to everyone, so here is my message below.
This sounds like a really good program.  I am definitely going to buy it.
The link,
for anyone interested, is:
http://www.mar-dy.com/MaPlEr/MaPlEr.php
You can download an MP3 presentation, which I have just listened to, and I
am really
impressed.
Wendy

At 08:26 PM 12/29/2009, you wrote:

hi matthew
hmm well I have tried winamp, but haven't found a usable solution to 
increasing speed.


Brian
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:11 AM
Subject: RE: how do you play mp3 audio books?


Hello Brian. I would recommend winamp. You can set bookmarks. They will 
also

play in order that they are set in the folder.

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[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]

On Behalf Of Brian Olesen
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:51 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: how do you play mp3 audio books?

hi,
At times I come across good audio books in the mp3 format.
typically they are named or numbered and stored in a single folder.
but which player is capable of playing these regarding to the following
criteria?
1. they should be played in the right alphanummerical order they are 
stored

in.
2. you should be able to pause your reading, end the program, and 
continue

from the right spot the next time you want to listen.
3. you should be able to increase speed, so you wont fall asleep before 
the

first mp3 has ended. grin

Is this possible, and what solution would you recommend?

Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all of you nice audio freaks 
out

there!

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Re: Exact Audio Copy

2009-12-30 Thread Mac Norins
Excuse me, Dane, as I misunderstood that you were putting up a tutorial, not 
a copy of the program, itself!  Sorry for any inconvenience this may have 
caused you!  I will go after the tutorial material, listed in a later post, 
to this list, from another person!

My mistake,
-Mac-
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Exact Audio Copy


Hi everyone!

Okay, there seems to be a little confusion here, I put Exact Audio Copy up 
on sendspace a little over a week ago now so the link will no longer work. 
Secondly I didn't put up any tutorial on the software, I know there are 
tutorials about but I've never need one so as a consequence of that I've 
never gone looking for one nor do I own one smile.

People have been contacting me privately about an Exact Audio Copy 
Tutorial so I don't know where that all came from however, if anyone wants 
the software then certainly! I can upload it again.

Cheers



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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread DJ DOCTOR P

High Tom,
I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track 
tapes.

Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either.
To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and 
cassette tapes put together.

My best regards.
 John.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound 
they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow 
for it!  But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, 
wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it 
changed!

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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Sunshine
also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s 
has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound 
that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays  cd quality 
music.
The analog sound that came out of the past  years  in the 60s,70s, has a lot 
of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts.
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Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High Tom,
I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track
tapes.
Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either.
To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and
cassette tapes put together.
My best regards.
  John.
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From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


 In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound
 they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow
 for it!  But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good,
 wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it
 changed!
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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Jörgen Hansson

Hey sunshine!
I can agree with you on that, When I'm producing music, I try to make it 
warm and clear to the listener.

Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo



also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s
has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound
that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays  cd quality
music.
The analog sound that came out of the past  years  in the 60s,70s, has a 
lot

of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts.
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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High Tom,
I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track
tapes.
Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore 
either.

To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and
cassette tapes put together.
My best regards.
 John.
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From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo



In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound
they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow
for it!  But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that 
good,

wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it
changed!
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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Jörgen Hansson

Hi!
oh yeah, reel to reel tapes, wow! I simply love those things. I'm still 
looking for some good reel to reel tape recorders, cause I have some which 
I'd like to go through and digitalize, cause on some of them, I have 
recordings of a passed away friend of mine and I when we were doing music 
together.

Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo



High Tom,
I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track 
tapes.
Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore 
either.
To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and 
cassette tapes put together.

My best regards.
 John.
- Original Message - 
From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound 
they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow 
for it!  But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that 
good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know 
why it changed!

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Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

2009-12-30 Thread Brian Olesen

hi,ah
you cant speed increase in small incryments. only the ctrl shift f thing as 
far as I know?


Brian
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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?


That is correct about the speed increase.  But can you bookmark?
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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?


Hi!
how about windows media player, or FS rReader, it can increes speed of the
audio.
Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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From: Brian Olesen br...@blindkom.dk

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?



hi matthew
hmm well I have tried winamp, but haven't found a usable solution to 
increasing speed.


Brian
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From: Matthew matthew.care...@gmail.com

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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:11 AM
Subject: RE: how do you play mp3 audio books?


Hello Brian. I would recommend winamp. You can set bookmarks. They will 
also

play in order that they are set in the folder.

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On Behalf Of Brian Olesen
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:51 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: how do you play mp3 audio books?

hi,
At times I come across good audio books in the mp3 format.
typically they are named or numbered and stored in a single folder.
but which player is capable of playing these regarding to the following
criteria?
1. they should be played in the right alphanummerical order they are 
stored

in.
2. you should be able to pause your reading, end the program, and 
continue

from the right spot the next time you want to listen.
3. you should be able to increase speed, so you wont fall asleep before 
the

first mp3 has ended. grin

Is this possible, and what solution would you recommend?

Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all of you nice audio freaks out
there!

Brian
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Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

2009-12-30 Thread Brian Olesen

hi,
ah you actually can with the seak function.

Brian
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?


You also can't rewind in Windows Media Player, which is annoying if you miss
a phrase.
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Hi! I think you can bookmark in windows media player or if not, you can do
it in FS Reader. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532
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From: dan thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

That is correct about the speed increase. But can you bookmark?
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From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

Hi! how about windows media player, or FS rReader, it can increes speed of
the audio. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

hi matthew hmm well I have tried winamp, but haven't found a usable solution
to increasing speed.

Brian
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Subject: RE: how do you play mp3 audio books?

Hello Brian. I would recommend winamp. You can set bookmarks. They will also
play in order that they are set in the folder.

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On Behalf Of Brian Olesen
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:51 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: how do you play mp3 audio books?

hi, At times I come across good audio books in the mp3 format. typically
they are named or numbered and stored in a single folder. but which player
is capable of playing these regarding to the following criteria? 1. they
should be played in the right alphanummerical order they are stored in. 2.
you should be able to pause your reading, end the program, and continue from
the right spot the next time you want to listen. 3. you should be able to
increase speed, so you wont fall asleep before the first mp3 has ended. grin

Is this possible, and what solution would you recommend?

Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all of you nice audio freaks out
there!

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Re: how do you play mp3 audio books?

2009-12-30 Thread Brian Olesen

Hi,
just want to let ya all know that i decided to buy the smart little 
mediaplayer playlist creater thing Robert doc Wright wrote about.

I mean 7 € for such a nice program is absolutely amacingly cheep!
it's called Mardi Playlist creation.

Best regards
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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread DJ DOCTOR P

High Sunshine,
I am incline to agree with you.
In the 60's and 70's, allot of the recordings were made on recording 
equipment that had vacuum tubes in it.

This is where that warm deep sound came from.
There are still peaces of equipment that could be bought today that still 
uses vacuum tubes to enhance the recording of music.
But it all falls apart when the signal goes in to either a computer and or a 
CD recorder.

Because those machines, converts the signal from analog to digital.
The only way to counter react that is, to put the tubes on the input and the 
output of the computer's sound card and or the CD recorder.
As far as CD recorders for both studio and hi phi use, no manufacturer has 
thought about doing that yet.
Because if they did, the music would sound a whole lot better then it would 
without the tubes not being in the signal path.

My best regards.
 John.
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also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s
has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound
that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays  cd quality
music.
The analog sound that came out of the past  years  in the 60s,70s, has a 
lot

of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High Tom,
I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track
tapes.
Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore 
either.

To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and
cassette tapes put together.
My best regards.
 John.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo



In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound
they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow
for it!  But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that 
good,

wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it
changed!
Tom Kaufman

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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread DJ DOCTOR P

High George,
How are you going about doing that?
Are you using anything that has tubes in it?
I'm asking because that is the only way you will be able to do that.
You can do it in analog first, then go to digital.
This is how I mix everything down in my own recording studio.
My best regards.
 John.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Hey sunshine!
I can agree with you on that, When I'm producing music, I try to make it
warm and clear to the listener.
Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
Tel +46 703-601296
www.jorgenhansson.com
skype: djtropical4532
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo



also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s
has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound
that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays  cd quality
music.
The analog sound that came out of the past  years  in the 60s,70s, has a 
lot

of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts.
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From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High Tom,
I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track
tapes.
Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore 
either.

To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and
cassette tapes put together.
My best regards.
 John.
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From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo



In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound
they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow
for it!  But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that 
good,

wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it
changed!
Tom Kaufman

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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Tom Kaufman
Amen and Amen!  And you'd think as the equipment supposedly has gotten 
better, the sound would be better; not necessarily so!
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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Brett Boyer

absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy!
bb
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo



also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s
has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound
that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays  cd quality
music.
The analog sound that came out of the past  years  in the 60s,70s, has a 
lot

of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts.
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From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


High Tom,
I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track
tapes.
Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore 
either.

To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and
cassette tapes put together.
My best regards.
 John.
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From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo



In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound
they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow
for it!  But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that 
good,

wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it
changed!
Tom Kaufman

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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Tom Kaufman
Well Brett and list: To show you how it's gotten to be, I have a friend 
(great steel guitarist)..he recorded some songs..I guess it was fifteen 
years ago..maybe more..a few years ago, he put those tunes on a CD (along 
with some other stuff he'd done)..well I have a cassette tape of this one 
song (the click track is still on it)..but the tone of that steel just 
sounds so nice!  Well when they put it on CD, although it's the same guy; 
same tune and all..it doesn't have that good, smooth tone as it has on that 
old cassette I have of him doing it!  I remember him telling me that (and 
I've found this out for myself)..in the digital world, if you turn the 
volume down, it goes down to a point; then just cuts off!  It's this way on 
my JVC stereo receiver; when it gets to a certain point, instead of the 
sound continuing to taper off, it just cuts off completely!
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Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo

2009-12-30 Thread Brett Boyer

It would be interesting to hear that comparison. I truly believe it.
bb
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo


Well Brett and list: To show you how it's gotten to be, I have a friend 
(great steel guitarist)..he recorded some songs..I guess it was fifteen 
years ago..maybe more..a few years ago, he put those tunes on a CD (along 
with some other stuff he'd done)..well I have a cassette tape of this one 
song (the click track is still on it)..but the tone of that steel just 
sounds so nice!  Well when they put it on CD, although it's the same guy; 
same tune and all..it doesn't have that good, smooth tone as it has on 
that old cassette I have of him doing it!  I remember him telling me that 
(and I've found this out for myself)..in the digital world, if you turn 
the volume down, it goes down to a point; then just cuts off!  It's this 
way on my JVC stereo receiver; when it gets to a certain point, instead of 
the sound continuing to taper off, it just cuts off completely!

Tom Kaufman (aka Tomcat)

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