RE: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound

[John Gurd]

I've got the P7's and really like the sound. I take them on holiday but they're 
a little too big for everyday portable use. The only other drawback is I find 
them a little tight on the head with prolonged listening. 

I've looked into headphone amps before, but couldn't find one with a lightning 
connection for my iPhone6. There is one with the older Apple connection but I 
couldn't find any for newer devices and I didn't want to use the headphone jack 
as it would just pass on the faults of the built in DAC. I would be interested 
if anyone has come across ssuch a thing.

Regards

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: 26 September 2015 00:45
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be Luxury 
Looks, Feel, Build And Sound

Yeah and actually the more I think about it it's true. I heard some BNW 
speakers once on youtube and even threw the guy's not so good camera they 
sounded epic. This person was playing the ship fight at the end of A New Hope 
and the X Wings were clearer then I've ever heard them. Keep in mind this is on 
youtube and threw a meh camera, so how must those speakers sound in actual 
life? I want them homy. Thing is that they were several thousand dolars. So 
yeah I know these people make good epic stuff. But you can't necessarily judge 
1 product by another. Especially a cheeper 1 by 1 that is several thousands.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:20 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be Luxury 
Looks, Feel, Build And Sound

I don t its a question of what s best, everyone likes different things.  The 
question here is about good value for money and good headphones for the price.

As I initially stated, - in my view - the B P7 certainly give you that for 
their money, great and natural speaker type sound, incredible tough build, 
luxury finish etc.


> On 26 Sep 2015, at 1:06 am, Hamit Campos  wrote:
> 
> Cool man. Wow then it's real good. I mean Senheiser is 1 of the best. >From 
> what I've heard. I've not heard Senheiser sets with anything real. I did hear 
> 1 but it was just for 1 of the display things at a muzeam that you aim the 
> little Walkman thing at and it plays stuff having to do with the display. So 
> I 1 can't judge and 2 can't really fully come to turmes with what you mean. 
> But from what I've heard, I believe you.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:47 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be 
> Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound
> 
> This B set even give my Senheiser reference set I've had for 10 years a 
> good run for their money, you can hear the audible difference.
> 
> The P7's are the best I've heard particularly in their price range, no 
> emphasis on any particular part of the audio frequency spectrum, if there's 
> music to be played or spoken word to be heard then that's what you're going 
> to enjoy, the absolute detail.
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/25/2015 11:04 PM, Hamit Campos wrote:
>> Epic dude! Well I guess you kind of answered my question. I was going to ask 
>> about the hi end sounds. Yes here we go again. Lol! Would 1 hear the wistle 
>> to Godzilla 98 real crisp and clear? Seriously it's real rare the speaker or 
>> headphone that can do it and do it well. This is why it blows my mind that 
>> Sony TVs aren't as crisp as Samsung. Like, what the heck? But I digress. 
>> Seriously dude. Also real crispness to the high end is usefull for other 
>> things. It makes things real sharp and clear. Well for me anyways. I just 
>> bring Zilla up always because that's 1 instance where it gets real tricky. 
>> Either you do it well or it's meh. It's that particular that wistling sound 
>> to it's roar is.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 6:45 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be 
>> Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound
>> 
>> And that s exactly what the B P7 offer and a reasonably affordable price 
>> particularly if you re in the u.S. Where I m told these cans can be yours 
>> for under $300.
>> The P7 S are built from stainless steel and other metals with a touch of 
>> leather plus leather ear cuffs, the cuffs are attached to the frame 
>> magnetically and replacements are available should they be needed.
>> These cans are designed with portable/travel use in mind given the fold away 
>> design 

Headphone Amps For IOS Devices

[Dane Trethowan]

No, haven't one with a direct lightning connector as yet so you might 
consider using an adapter to convert from old to new dock standard, this 
headphone amp seems worth consideration.

http://www.cnet.com/au/news/v-modas-outrageously-sweet-portable-dac-and-headphone-amp/

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Re: another goldwave question

[covici]

I like it a lot (the scrub), thanks for that hint.  My only problem with
goldwave is the screen reader (window-eyes) stops talking for several
seconds or longer -- it has something o do with the framerate if I set
it to 20, things improve.

Colin Howard  wrote:

> John,
> 
> You don't change the wind forward or back values if you want to jump back or
> forward 5 seconds, in case you are not aware of their location, press f11
> and in the play tab which is where you land, tab can't remember how many but
> certainly more than six, you should see a rewind which I think by default is
> set at 2 the forward wind is set as 1 - meaning by pressing f5 or j, you
> rewind at twice playing speed, by pressing f6 or l, you wind forward at
> playing speed.  Of course, these values are edit boxes and you can change
> them, I have mine set to 5, the maximum. 
> 
> To change how much the arrows / markers move, you need change the zoom rate.
> By default on opening the file, the whole is on the screen - least I believe
> this to be true though how a file of, say, seven hours can be shown I cannot
> guess. 
> 
> I've opened a file of 25 minutes, my view is one minutes' worth of file, by
> moving my start marker once it starting at 0.000, it now shows 0.600, again,
> shows 1.200, then 1.800 . . . the end marker moves back the same ratio.
> 
> I change the zoom rate to show ten seconds, the markers move correspondingly
> less, starting at 0.000 one move with shift and right arrow the start now
> shows 0.100, then 0.200 . . . the arrow keys move the cursor back/forward in
> tenths of the zoom rate, I strongly suggest you envoke the scrub facility,
> about which I wrote at some length a few days ago - this is an edit box to
> the right of the two wind values and by default is set at 0.000 I have mine
> set at 0.150 which gives me enough sound for each movement of arrow / marker
> to aid with both finding my place and editting.
> 
> I note nobody in their replies have mentioned this incredibly useful
> function, I cannot understand why it is not set on by default with, say
> 0.200 but it isn't.  I played with values for a long time until I settled on
> 0.150 as being my favoured setting.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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How do
you spend it?

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 cov...@ccs.covici.com

Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound

[Dane Trethowan]

Howdy!

Yes I’ve heard it said that these headphones can be a little uncomfortable over 
a long period of time listening, I’ve not experienced this yet myself and 
that’s most likely because I don’t usually listen to headphones more than an 
hour at a time before a small break so perhaps that makes a difference.

It should also be noted that the P7’s are not on the ear headphones but rather 
go over the ear thus they’re closed and noise isolating so the only thing 
you’re going to hear when these cans are placed on the head is the source 
connected to them.

As far as lightning connector Amps go? I’m sure they’re around, I’ll have a 
look and see what I can find.

Its been a good while since I used an IOS device so I’m not up-todate in the 
world if Lightning Connectors and Headphone amps but I’d be most surprised if 
one didn’t exist, the Amp I used was the old 30 pin Dock connector type model 
but worked well, I’ll write back to the list when I find a model so that 
probably won’t take me all that long, a chat with my friend Google is on the 
cards definitely for this exercise .

Anyway keep enjoying your P7’S as I’m doing.


> On 28 Sep 2015, at 12:36 am, John Gurd  wrote:
> 
> I've got the P7's and really like the sound. I take them on holiday but 
> they're a little too big for everyday portable use. The only other drawback 
> is I find them a little tight on the head with prolonged listening. 
> 
> I've looked into headphone amps before, but couldn't find one with a 
> lightning connection for my iPhone6. There is one with the older Apple 
> connection but I couldn't find any for newer devices and I didn't want to use 
> the headphone jack as it would just pass on the faults of the built in DAC. I 
> would be interested if anyone has come across ssuch a thing.
> 
> Regards
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: 26 September 2015 00:45
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be Luxury 
> Looks, Feel, Build And Sound
> 
> Yeah and actually the more I think about it it's true. I heard some BNW 
> speakers once on youtube and even threw the guy's not so good camera they 
> sounded epic. This person was playing the ship fight at the end of A New Hope 
> and the X Wings were clearer then I've ever heard them. Keep in mind this is 
> on youtube and threw a meh camera, so how must those speakers sound in actual 
> life? I want them homy. Thing is that they were several thousand dolars. So 
> yeah I know these people make good epic stuff. But you can't necessarily 
> judge 1 product by another. Especially a cheeper 1 by 1 that is several 
> thousands.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:20 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be Luxury 
> Looks, Feel, Build And Sound
> 
> I don t its a question of what s best, everyone likes different things.  The 
> question here is about good value for money and good headphones for the price.
> 
> As I initially stated, - in my view - the B P7 certainly give you that for 
> their money, great and natural speaker type sound, incredible tough build, 
> luxury finish etc.
> 
> 
>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 1:06 am, Hamit Campos  wrote:
>> 
>> Cool man. Wow then it's real good. I mean Senheiser is 1 of the best. From 
>> what I've heard. I've not heard Senheiser sets with anything real. I did 
>> hear 1 but it was just for 1 of the display things at a muzeam that you aim 
>> the little Walkman thing at and it plays stuff having to do with the 
>> display. So I 1 can't judge and 2 can't really fully come to turmes with 
>> what you mean. But from what I've heard, I believe you.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:47 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be 
>> Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound
>> 
>> This B set even give my Senheiser reference set I've had for 10 years a 
>> good run for their money, you can hear the audible difference.
>> 
>> The P7's are the best I've heard particularly in their price range, no 
>> emphasis on any particular part of the audio frequency spectrum, if there's 
>> music to be played or spoken word to be heard then that's what you're going 
>> to enjoy, the absolute detail.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/25/2015 11:04 PM, Hamit Campos wrote:
>>> Epic dude! Well I guess you kind of answered my question. I was going to 
>>> ask about the hi end sounds. Yes here we go again. Lol! Would 1 hear the 
>>> wistle to Godzilla 98 real crisp and clear? 

Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound

[Mary Otten]

No, I just made a mistake. I meant to say p7 where I typed p5 in my
original note. I have not heard the p5, only the 7, and the in ear c5,
I believe they are. Don't know of b came out with a c7 like the p7.
Sorry for the stupid typo.

Mary

feeling bass frequencies

[André van Deventer]

Hi all



I sincerely hope this is not off topic for the list.  If so the moderators
must please let me know and I will request people to answer me off list.



I have a very unique situation here.  I have just had a second cochlear
implant which resulted  in my losing all frequencies below about 100 hz.
This as many of you know results in you losing quite a deal of the lower
bass sounds in music.



I’m researching some way of now compensating for this.  The only way I can
think up is to  use my tactile sense to feel the missing frequencies.  Maybe
the brain may put the signals of the  audio and visual cortex together   and
create some kind of a whole.



What I have done is to lightly rest my fingers  onto  the front of my
reasonable quality sub whoofer.  It is then indeed possible to do this.  But
it’s really not the most comfortable position to sit in also.  Another thing
– if you turn up the bass too much, the harmonics starts to distort the
cochlear implants.



So I’m wondering if someone has any thoughts on this rather unique challenge
to share?



Regards



Andre







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Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound

[Dane Trethowan]

Don't worry, I thought there would be method in your madness .

I'm interested in the AKG pair you mentioned, will do a little research 
on those.




On 9/28/2015 7:34 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

No, I just made a mistake. I meant to say p7 where I typed p5 in my
original note. I have not heard the p5, only the 7, and the in ear c5,
I believe they are. Don't know of b came out with a c7 like the p7.
Sorry for the stupid typo.

Mary




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Re: feeling bass frequencies

[Geoff Eden]

Cognitive transference, it's entirely possible that with use your brain may 
kick in the bass for you.


A long time ago there was a deaf blind ham operator in central Canada who 
used the Morris code for communication.  A gentleman at the national 
research Council built a speaker box whose speaker cone he filled with 
Styrofoam, and then topped with plastic for protection as this person's hand 
would be on the speaker a great deal.


This person worked the radio for many years and most of her contacts never 
knew that she was deaf blind.


Therefore I suggest a small Wolfer with major excursion capability and whose 
cone be filled with foam to provide you a flat surface.  It too could be 
covered by a plastic film for protection.  Small Wolfer's travel back and 
forth more distance, generally, than do large ones to get the air in the 
room moving.  Hence, the term long excursion.


It strikes me that some of those relatively inexpensive three point speaker 
systems for computers might have a ready made Wolfer box that you could 
adapt directly.  I see them all over the place for around $100 or less.  A 
computer repair store just may have a set of these speakers with the tweeter 
components not functioning, as it's rather common for their cables to break 
or deteriorate.


Best of luck to you, and let us know if it works out.  It's probably 
material for a research article.


Geoff

-Original Message- 
From: André van Deventer

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 3:25 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: feeling bass frequencies

Hi all



I sincerely hope this is not off topic for the list.  If so the moderators
must please let me know and I will request people to answer me off list.



I have a very unique situation here.  I have just had a second cochlear
implant which resulted  in my losing all frequencies below about 100 hz.
This as many of you know results in you losing quite a deal of the lower
bass sounds in music.



I’m researching some way of now compensating for this.  The only way I can
think up is to  use my tactile sense to feel the missing frequencies.  Maybe
the brain may put the signals of the  audio and visual cortex together   and
create some kind of a whole.



What I have done is to lightly rest my fingers  onto  the front of my
reasonable quality sub whoofer.  It is then indeed possible to do this.  But
it’s really not the most comfortable position to sit in also.  Another thing
– if you turn up the bass too much, the harmonics starts to distort the
cochlear implants.



So I’m wondering if someone has any thoughts on this rather unique challenge
to share?



Regards



Andre







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Getting Back Into Podcasting

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

I sent an article to the list a few days ago which detailed how to get 
into Podcasting at a budget price.


After reading the article I decided to get back into the game, I already 
have Record/Control facilities here in the form of Audio Hijack but I 
did want to try the two microphones the article recommends, the Yeti 
Blue and the Audio Technica ATR2100-USB condenser and dynamic 
microphones respectively, the article details differences between the 
two, what they pick up and how they behave.


I've placed an order for each of these, they will take a little while to 
arrive so in the meantime I'd be most interested in anyone's thoughts on 
these microphones as I'm sure some would have tried the Yeti.


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RE: feeling bass frequencies

[Quinten Pendle]

Hi Andre

Is there a possibility that you could maybe make your sub stand against the
chair in which you sit when listening to music? This way, maybe, the sub
could transfer some of it's bass through the chair or bank, through which
you could maybe feel it? Maybe this is stupid, i don't know.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of André van
Deventer
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:26 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: feeling bass frequencies

Hi all

 

I sincerely hope this is not off topic for the list.  If so the moderators
must please let me know and I will request people to answer me off list.

 

I have a very unique situation here.  I have just had a second cochlear
implant which resulted  in my losing all frequencies below about 100 hz.
This as many of you know results in you losing quite a deal of the lower
bass sounds in music.

 

I’m researching some way of now compensating for this.  The only way I can
think up is to  use my tactile sense to feel the missing frequencies.  Maybe
the brain may put the signals of the  audio and visual cortex together   and
create some kind of a whole.

 

What I have done is to lightly rest my fingers  onto  the front of my
reasonable quality sub whoofer.  It is then indeed possible to do this.  But
it’s really not the most comfortable position to sit in also.  Another thing
– if you turn up the bass too much, the harmonics starts to distort the
cochlear implants.

 

So I’m wondering if someone has any thoughts on this rather unique challenge
to share?

 

Regards

 

Andre

 

 



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RE: feeling bass frequencies

[Hamit Campos]

Hmmm, this might be too expensive but people do buy them and use
them for movies. Not heard how well this works for music nor if people even
bother. I'm talking about the but kicker. Well at least that is what Scott
Wilkinson calls them. If it works in the same way for music as for movies,
it should help.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of André van
Deventer
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 3:26 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: feeling bass frequencies

Hi all

 

I sincerely hope this is not off topic for the list.  If so the moderators
must please let me know and I will request people to answer me off list.

 

I have a very unique situation here.  I have just had a second cochlear
implant which resulted  in my losing all frequencies below about 100 hz.
This as many of you know results in you losing quite a deal of the lower
bass sounds in music.

 

I’m researching some way of now compensating for this.  The only way I can
think up is to  use my tactile sense to feel the missing frequencies.  Maybe
the brain may put the signals of the  audio and visual cortex together   and
create some kind of a whole.

 

What I have done is to lightly rest my fingers  onto  the front of my
reasonable quality sub whoofer.  It is then indeed possible to do this.  But
it’s really not the most comfortable position to sit in also.  Another thing
– if you turn up the bass too much, the harmonics starts to distort the
cochlear implants.

 

So I’m wondering if someone has any thoughts on this rather unique challenge
to share?

 

Regards

 

Andre

 

 



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[John Heath via Pc-audio]

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Hi Dane! Have you used the Bose noise reduction headphones? I have a pair 
and wonder how they match up with The Bowers and Wilkins set you are 
discussing.


-Original Message- 
From: Dane Trethowan

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 10:50 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones,Why Shouldn't There Be Luxury 
Looks, Feel, Build And Sound


Howdy!

Yes I’ve heard it said that these headphones can be a little uncomfortable 
over a long period of time listening, I’ve not experienced this yet myself 
and that’s most likely because I don’t usually listen to headphones more 
than an hour at a time before a small break so perhaps that makes a 
difference.


It should also be noted that the P7’s are not on the ear headphones but 
rather go over the ear thus they’re closed and noise isolating so the only 
thing you’re going to hear when these cans are placed on the head is the 
source connected to them.


As far as lightning connector Amps go? I’m sure they’re around, I’ll have a 
look and see what I can find.


Its been a good while since I used an IOS device so I’m not up-todate in the 
world if Lightning Connectors and Headphone amps but I’d be most surprised 
if one didn’t exist, the Amp I used was the old 30 pin Dock connector type 
model but worked well, I’ll write back to the list when I find a model so 
that probably won’t take me all that long, a chat with my friend Google is 
on the cards definitely for this exercise .


Anyway keep enjoying your P7’S as I’m doing.



On 28 Sep 2015, at 12:36 am, John Gurd  wrote:

I've got the P7's and really like the sound. I take them on holiday but 
they're a little too big for everyday portable use. The only other 
drawback is I find them a little tight on the head with prolonged 
listening.


I've looked into headphone amps before, but couldn't find one with a 
lightning connection for my iPhone6. There is one with the older Apple 
connection but I couldn't find any for newer devices and I didn't want to 
use the headphone jack as it would just pass on the faults of the built in 
DAC. I would be interested if anyone has come across ssuch a thing.


Regards

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
Campos

Sent: 26 September 2015 00:45
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be 
Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound


Yeah and actually the more I think about it it's true. I heard some BNW 
speakers once on youtube and even threw the guy's not so good camera they 
sounded epic. This person was playing the ship fight at the end of A New 
Hope and the X Wings were clearer then I've ever heard them. Keep in mind 
this is on youtube and threw a meh camera, so how must those speakers 
sound in actual life? I want them homy. Thing is that they were several 
thousand dolars. So yeah I know these people make good epic stuff. But you 
can't necessarily judge 1 product by another. Especially a cheeper 1 by 1 
that is several thousands.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:20 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be 
Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound


I don t its a question of what s best, everyone likes different things. 
The question here is about good value for money and good headphones for 
the price.


As I initially stated, - in my view - the B P7 certainly give you that 
for their money, great and natural speaker type sound, incredible tough 
build, luxury finish etc.




On 26 Sep 2015, at 1:06 am, Hamit Campos  wrote:

Cool man. Wow then it's real good. I mean Senheiser is 1 of the best. 
From what I've heard. I've not heard Senheiser sets with anything real. I 
did hear 1 but it was just for 1 of the display things at a muzeam that 
you aim the little Walkman thing at and it plays stuff having to do with 
the display. So I 1 can't judge and 2 can't really fully come to turmes 
with what you mean. But from what I've heard, I believe you.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:47 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be
Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound

This B set even give my Senheiser reference set I've had for 10 years a 
good run for their money, you can hear the audible difference.


The P7's are the best I've heard particularly in their price range, no 
emphasis on any particular part of the audio frequency spectrum, if 
there's music to be played or spoken word to be heard then that's what 
you're going to enjoy, the absolute detail.




On 

RE: feeling bass frequencies

[André van Deventer]

Something to try thanx quintin.

This sub has a very thick wooden cabinet especially to keep all unnecessary
vibrations out.  The only place you seem to be able to feel  the bass really
is if you place your fingers gently on the front.

Someone once said you might try holding a balloon wich should pick up the
vibrations.  But I'm wondering if different kinds of materials might give
you different kinds of detail.  I don't know even where to begin researching
this!!

Regards

Andre



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Quinten
Pendle
Sent: 27 September 2015 09:39 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: feeling bass frequencies

Hi Andre

Is there a possibility that you could maybe make your sub stand against the
chair in which you sit when listening to music? This way, maybe, the sub
could transfer some of it's bass through the chair or bank, through which
you could maybe feel it? Maybe this is stupid, i don't know.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of André van
Deventer
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:26 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: feeling bass frequencies

Hi all



I sincerely hope this is not off topic for the list.  If so the moderators
must please let me know and I will request people to answer me off list.



I have a very unique situation here.  I have just had a second cochlear
implant which resulted  in my losing all frequencies below about 100 hz.
This as many of you know results in you losing quite a deal of the lower
bass sounds in music.



I’m researching some way of now compensating for this.  The only way I can
think up is to  use my tactile sense to feel the missing frequencies.  Maybe
the brain may put the signals of the  audio and visual cortex together   and
create some kind of a whole.



What I have done is to lightly rest my fingers  onto  the front of my
reasonable quality sub whoofer.  It is then indeed possible to do this.  But
it’s really not the most comfortable position to sit in also.  Another thing
– if you turn up the bass too much, the harmonics starts to distort the
cochlear implants.



So I’m wondering if someone has any thoughts on this rather unique challenge
to share?



Regards



Andre







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Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound

[Dane Trethowan]

Just to clarify things so as to avoid any confusion, the P5's Mary 
speaks of are the model down from the P7's, both are made by Bowers And 
Wilkins though I don't think the P5's have either the full quality of 
audio that the P7's have nor do they have the quality of construction, 
I'm sure Mary could correct me if need be.



On 9/26/2015 1:07 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

I have to agree with Dane here, which might come as no surprise, since
I have always appreciated the sonic quality, if not the price, of B
products. I purchased a set of these a few months ago. I already had an
excellent pair of AKG Q701 phones. The only drawback with those is that
the use of a portable headphone amp with dac really helps when you're
listening via an i-device or any other portable, I would imagine. And
the cord on my AKG's is LONG, quite the opposite of the cable on the
P5s. The P5s are really outstanding, even without a preamp. I mean, who
wants to mess around with a preamp when you're out somewhere, like at
the beach or on the bus or whereever that isn't home?  I don't mind the
short cable, since I do use these exclusively with i-devices, not with
my home stereo preamp. I still love my akgs, but these p5s are
outstanding and more practical to use.

Mary




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Re: feeling bass frequencies

[Brian]

I like the balloon idea I once had that experience I 
was on the bus going from the blind school to home and my bus driver 
gave some ballons I think that I had about 3 and I placed them on the 
speaker of my tape recorder and it almost sounded like stereo and yes I 
could both feel and hear the base through the balloons.  I would give it 
a try and see what you think.

Briansackrider

On 9/27/2015 4:11 PM, André van Deventer wrote:

Something to try thanx quintin.

This sub has a very thick wooden cabinet especially to keep all unnecessary
vibrations out.  The only place you seem to be able to feel  the bass really
is if you place your fingers gently on the front.

Someone once said you might try holding a balloon wich should pick up the
vibrations.  But I'm wondering if different kinds of materials might give
you different kinds of detail.  I don't know even where to begin researching
this!!

Regards

Andre



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Quinten
Pendle
Sent: 27 September 2015 09:39 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: feeling bass frequencies

Hi Andre

Is there a possibility that you could maybe make your sub stand against the
chair in which you sit when listening to music? This way, maybe, the sub
could transfer some of it's bass through the chair or bank, through which
you could maybe feel it? Maybe this is stupid, i don't know.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of André van
Deventer
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:26 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: feeling bass frequencies

Hi all

  


I sincerely hope this is not off topic for the list.  If so the moderators
must please let me know and I will request people to answer me off list.

  


I have a very unique situation here.  I have just had a second cochlear
implant which resulted  in my losing all frequencies below about 100 hz.
This as many of you know results in you losing quite a deal of the lower
bass sounds in music.

  


I’m researching some way of now compensating for this.  The only way I can
think up is to  use my tactile sense to feel the missing frequencies.  Maybe
the brain may put the signals of the  audio and visual cortex together   and
create some kind of a whole.

  


What I have done is to lightly rest my fingers  onto  the front of my
reasonable quality sub whoofer.  It is then indeed possible to do this.  But
it’s really not the most comfortable position to sit in also.  Another thing
– if you turn up the bass too much, the harmonics starts to distort the
cochlear implants.

  


So I’m wondering if someone has any thoughts on this rather unique challenge
to share?

  


Regards

  


Andre

  

  




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RE: feeling bass frequencies

[Hamit Campos]

Ah that's a curious idea.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 10:26 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: feeling bass frequencies

 I like the balloon idea I once had that experience I was on
the bus going from the blind school to home and my bus driver gave some
ballons I think that I had about 3 and I placed them on the speaker of my
tape recorder and it almost sounded like stereo and yes I could both feel
and hear the base through the balloons.  I would give it a try and see what
you think.
Briansackrider

On 9/27/2015 4:11 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
> Something to try thanx quintin.
>
> This sub has a very thick wooden cabinet especially to keep all 
> unnecessary vibrations out.  The only place you seem to be able to 
> feel  the bass really is if you place your fingers gently on the front.
>
> Someone once said you might try holding a balloon wich should pick up 
> the vibrations.  But I'm wondering if different kinds of materials 
> might give you different kinds of detail.  I don't know even where to 
> begin researching this!!
>
> Regards
>
> Andre
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Quinten Pendle
> Sent: 27 September 2015 09:39 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: feeling bass frequencies
>
> Hi Andre
>
> Is there a possibility that you could maybe make your sub stand 
> against the chair in which you sit when listening to music? This way, 
> maybe, the sub could transfer some of it's bass through the chair or 
> bank, through which you could maybe feel it? Maybe this is stupid, i don't
know.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> André van Deventer
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:26 PM
> To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
> Subject: feeling bass frequencies
>
> Hi all
>
>   
>
> I sincerely hope this is not off topic for the list.  If so the 
> moderators must please let me know and I will request people to answer me
off list.
>
>   
>
> I have a very unique situation here.  I have just had a second 
> cochlear implant which resulted  in my losing all frequencies below about
100 hz.
> This as many of you know results in you losing quite a deal of the 
> lower bass sounds in music.
>
>   
>
> I’m researching some way of now compensating for this.  The only way I 
> can think up is to  use my tactile sense to feel the missing frequencies.
Maybe
> the brain may put the signals of the  audio and visual cortex together
and
> create some kind of a whole.
>
>   
>
> What I have done is to lightly rest my fingers  onto  the front of my 
> reasonable quality sub whoofer.  It is then indeed possible to do 
> this.  But it’s really not the most comfortable position to sit in 
> also.  Another thing – if you turn up the bass too much, the harmonics 
> starts to distort the cochlear implants.
>
>   
>
> So I’m wondering if someone has any thoughts on this rather unique 
> challenge to share?
>
>   
>
> Regards
>
>   
>
> Andre
>
>   
>
>   
>
>
>
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RE: feeling bass frequencies

[Hamit Campos]

Yeah that's the thing. Scott Wilkinson calls it a but kicker. It's used for
movies. Scott doesn't like them cause he says they make him motion sick. But
for what the need seems to be here, This is it. Well, we'll have to see
though. Like you said gamers use them and some home theater geeks do but who
knows how they do for music.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 7:57 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: feeling bass frequencies

There is a transducer device made for gamers that is attaches to your chair
or sofa.  I don't know the frequency range, but it is said to vibrate your
chair conforming to the low frequency audio.  You might google chair shaker.
- Original Message -
From: "André van Deventer" 
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: feeling bass frequencies



Something to try thanx quintin.

This sub has a very thick wooden cabinet especially to keep all unnecessary
vibrations out.  The only place you seem to be able to feel  the bass really
is if you place your fingers gently on the front.

Someone once said you might try holding a balloon wich should pick up the
vibrations.  But I'm wondering if different kinds of materials might give
you different kinds of detail.  I don't know even where to begin researching
this!!

Regards

Andre



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Quinten
Pendle
Sent: 27 September 2015 09:39 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: feeling bass frequencies

Hi Andre

Is there a possibility that you could maybe make your sub stand against the
chair in which you sit when listening to music? This way, maybe, the sub
could transfer some of it's bass through the chair or bank, through which
you could maybe feel it? Maybe this is stupid, i don't know.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of André van
Deventer
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:26 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: feeling bass frequencies

Hi all



I sincerely hope this is not off topic for the list.  If so the moderators
must please let me know and I will request people to answer me off list.



I have a very unique situation here.  I have just had a second cochlear
implant which resulted  in my losing all frequencies below about 100 hz.
This as many of you know results in you losing quite a deal of the lower
bass sounds in music.



I'm researching some way of now compensating for this.  The only way I can
think up is to  use my tactile sense to feel the missing frequencies.  Maybe
the brain may put the signals of the  audio and visual cortex together   and
create some kind of a whole.



What I have done is to lightly rest my fingers  onto  the front of my
reasonable quality sub whoofer.  It is then indeed possible to do this.  But
it's really not the most comfortable position to sit in also.  Another thing
- if you turn up the bass too much, the harmonics starts to distort the
cochlear implants.



So I'm wondering if someone has any thoughts on this rather unique challenge
to share?



Regards



Andre







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Re: feeling bass frequencies

[Howard Traxler]

There is a transducer device made for gamers that is attaches to your chair 
or sofa.  I don't know the frequency range, but it is said to vibrate your 
chair conforming to the low frequency audio.  You might google chair shaker.
- Original Message - 
From: "André van Deventer" 

To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: feeling bass frequencies



Something to try thanx quintin.

This sub has a very thick wooden cabinet especially to keep all unnecessary
vibrations out.  The only place you seem to be able to feel  the bass really
is if you place your fingers gently on the front.

Someone once said you might try holding a balloon wich should pick up the
vibrations.  But I'm wondering if different kinds of materials might give
you different kinds of detail.  I don't know even where to begin researching
this!!

Regards

Andre



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Quinten
Pendle
Sent: 27 September 2015 09:39 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: feeling bass frequencies

Hi Andre

Is there a possibility that you could maybe make your sub stand against the
chair in which you sit when listening to music? This way, maybe, the sub
could transfer some of it's bass through the chair or bank, through which
you could maybe feel it? Maybe this is stupid, i don't know.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of André van
Deventer
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:26 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: feeling bass frequencies

Hi all



I sincerely hope this is not off topic for the list.  If so the moderators
must please let me know and I will request people to answer me off list.



I have a very unique situation here.  I have just had a second cochlear
implant which resulted  in my losing all frequencies below about 100 hz.
This as many of you know results in you losing quite a deal of the lower
bass sounds in music.



I'm researching some way of now compensating for this.  The only way I can
think up is to  use my tactile sense to feel the missing frequencies.  Maybe
the brain may put the signals of the  audio and visual cortex together   and
create some kind of a whole.



What I have done is to lightly rest my fingers  onto  the front of my
reasonable quality sub whoofer.  It is then indeed possible to do this.  But
it's really not the most comfortable position to sit in also.  Another thing
- if you turn up the bass too much, the harmonics starts to distort the
cochlear implants.



So I'm wondering if someone has any thoughts on this rather unique challenge
to share?



Regards



Andre







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Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be LuxuryLooks, Feel, Build And Sound

[Brent Harding]

I thought I heard that the electrostatic ones are extremely expensive. At 
least these are something we could save for.


- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" 

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be 
LuxuryLooks, Feel, Build And Sound



No they'll be around and they're available in all the stores like Best Buy 
etc.



On 9/26/2015 4:42 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Could be great for my sports listening then.
Sadly they are a bit to much for my wallet right now but i guess they 
wont go a way for quite a long time.

/A

25 sep. 2015 kl. 16:46 skrev Dane Trethowan :

This B set even give my Senheiser reference set I've had for 10 years 
a good run for their money, you can hear the audible difference.


The P7's are the best I've heard particularly in their price range, no 
emphasis on any particular part of the audio frequency spectrum, if 
there's music to be played or spoken word to be heard then that's what 
you're going to enjoy, the absolute detail.




On 9/25/2015 11:04 PM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Epic dude! Well I guess you kind of answered my question. I was going 
to ask about the hi end sounds. Yes here we go again. Lol! Would 1 hear 
the wistle to Godzilla 98 real crisp and clear? Seriously it's real 
rare the speaker or headphone that can do it and do it well. This is 
why it blows my mind that Sony TVs aren't as crisp as Samsung. Like, 
what the heck? But I digress. Seriously dude. Also real crispness to 
the high end is usefull for other things. It makes things real sharp 
and clear. Well for me anyways. I just bring Zilla up always because 
that's 1 instance where it gets real tricky. Either you do it well or 
it's meh. It's that particular that wistling sound to it's roar is.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 6:45 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Bowers And Wilkins P7 Headphones, Why Shouldn't There Be 
Luxury Looks, Feel, Build And Sound


And that’s exactly what the B P7 offer and a reasonably affordable 
price particularly if you’re in the u.S. Where I’m told these cans can 
be yours for under $300.
The P7’S are built from stainless steel and other metals with a touch 
of leather plus leather ear cuffs, the cuffs are attached to the frame 
magnetically and replacements are available should they be needed.
These cans are designed with portable/travel use in mind given the fold 
away design and the quilted leather carrying case as part of the system 
but they do come with a 6.5MM adapter for conventional stereo systems 
along with 2 cables, one is for use with a mobile handset and the other 
is the conventional stereo type 3.5MM jack type cable.
The cable for mobile handsets has an inline control for answering 
calls, volume up/down, volume up/down and a microphone.
On hearing the headphones I was shocked, it sounded as though I was 
listening to a 30 inch sub woofer in a room along with silky high 
tweeters, it took me a few moments to realise that I was in fact 
listening to a pair of very nice cans and then it all clicked into 
place, we’re talking about a B product after all.
I have only one complaint about these headphones, the cable could be 
longer however I do appreciate that the phones are designed for 
portable use and if I want a longer cable then its just a matter of 
plugging in an extension.
Speaking of the cable, swapping or replacement of same is easily down 
by removing the left ear cuff, unplugging one cable, plugging in 
another and replacing the cuff which snaps back into place.






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