Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
Hi I wear digital hearing aids and always will. So much better quality; it's as if I'm listening to a CD or MP3 all the time! Also I've noticed the latest digital hearing aids simulate surround sound! Anyone else noticed this? Sent using Thunderbird On 19/08/2010 23:33, Gary Schindler wrote: Chris, that is what I do, put the headphones over the hearing aides. do you have analog or digital aides, for that makes all the difference in the world. my digital aides are natural sounding like hearing should be! I have an old pair of analog aides which are sometimes on the sharp side. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Hello all, I tell you something, but audio sounds brilliant with my headphones sitting on top of my hearing aids, which is how I am listening to the computer right now! So I will put it down to my laptop speakers rather than hearing aids. Thanks all for the help. Sent using Thunderbird On 19/08/2010 14:53, Dane Trethowan wrote: Ignore that, the whole purpose of VBR is to encode every sample at a bit rate, you don't want encoding of say silent samples done at 128k as that's just wasting band width. On 19/08/2010, at 11:47 PM, richard claypool wrote: I'd not set the min quality for as low as posible because that's too low. i'd set maybe 128 as your lowest point, and then whatever you want as your highest point. If you can't hear above 192, and won't be shairng the files, then maybe set it to 192. msn bellevue@gmail.com skype lord_of_beer last fm http://last.fm/lord_of_beer - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowangrtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If yo u set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
Ok I got it Chris. I got in late on this thread. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:35 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Hi I wear digital hearing aids and always will. So much better quality; it's as if I'm listening to a CD or MP3 all the time! Also I've noticed the latest digital hearing aids simulate surround sound! Anyone else noticed this? Sent using Thunderbird On 19/08/2010 23:33, Gary Schindler wrote: Chris, that is what I do, put the headphones over the hearing aides. do you have analog or digital aides, for that makes all the difference in the world. my digital aides are natural sounding like hearing should be! I have an old pair of analog aides which are sometimes on the sharp side. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Hello all, I tell you something, but audio sounds brilliant with my headphones sitting on top of my hearing aids, which is how I am listening to the computer right now! So I will put it down to my laptop speakers rather than hearing aids. Thanks all for the help. Sent using Thunderbird On 19/08/2010 14:53, Dane Trethowan wrote: Ignore that, the whole purpose of VBR is to encode every sample at a bit rate, you don't want encoding of say silent samples done at 128k as that's just wasting band width. On 19/08/2010, at 11:47 PM, richard claypool wrote: I'd not set the min quality for as low as posible because that's too low. i'd set maybe 128 as your lowest point, and then whatever you want as your highest point. If you can't hear above 192, and won't be shairng the files, then maybe set it to 192. msn bellevue@gmail.com skype lord_of_beer last fm http://last.fm/lord_of_beer - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowangrtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If yo u set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
The best quality still is I think if you can connect your hearing aids directly to the sound source. You cut out the microphones completely. Most if not all modern hearing aids have the ability to take an audio shoe or boot which fits into the back of the aid. At the end is a 3 pronged socket into whnich you plug in what is called a euro plug I think. Someone simply has to make up some cables for you with a euro plug on one end and whatever plug is needed on the other. And yes I must agree that especially the lower frequencies of the newer digital aids cannot really be compared to what was available on the analog ones. I can get my phonak naidas down to somewhere between 35 and 40 Hz that I can assure you for a hearing aid is rather impressive. Andre -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Schindler Sent: 20 August 2010 12:33 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Chris, that is what I do, put the headphones over the hearing aides. do you have analog or digital aides, for that makes all the difference in the world. my digital aides are natural sounding like hearing should be! I have an old pair of analog aides which are sometimes on the sharp side. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Hello all, I tell you something, but audio sounds brilliant with my headphones sitting on top of my hearing aids, which is how I am listening to the computer right now! So I will put it down to my laptop speakers rather than hearing aids. Thanks all for the help. Sent using Thunderbird On 19/08/2010 14:53, Dane Trethowan wrote: Ignore that, the whole purpose of VBR is to encode every sample at a bit rate, you don't want encoding of say silent samples done at 128k as that's just wasting band width. On 19/08/2010, at 11:47 PM, richard claypool wrote: I'd not set the min quality for as low as posible because that's too low. i'd set maybe 128 as your lowest point, and then whatever you want as your highest point. If you can't hear above 192, and won't be shairng the files, then maybe set it to 192. msn bellevue@gmail.com skype lord_of_beer last fm http://last.fm/lord_of_beer - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowangrtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If yo u set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If you set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
I'd not set the min quality for as low as posible because that's too low. i'd set maybe 128 as your lowest point, and then whatever you want as your highest point. If you can't hear above 192, and won't be shairng the files, then maybe set it to 192. msn bellevue@gmail.com skype lord_of_beer last fm http://last.fm/lord_of_beer - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If you set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
Ignore that, the whole purpose of VBR is to encode every sample at a bit rate, you don't want encoding of say silent samples done at 128k as that's just wasting band width. On 19/08/2010, at 11:47 PM, richard claypool wrote: I'd not set the min quality for as low as posible because that's too low. i'd set maybe 128 as your lowest point, and then whatever you want as your highest point. If you can't hear above 192, and won't be shairng the files, then maybe set it to 192. msn bellevue@gmail.com skype lord_of_beer last fm http://last.fm/lord_of_beer - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If you set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
As a person with a hearing aid in one ear and a cochlear implant in another ear, I still encode as high as I possibly can. Try to get some kind of direct connection to your hearing aids if at all possible. Andre -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 19 August 2010 03:54 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Ignore that, the whole purpose of VBR is to encode every sample at a bit rate, you don't want encoding of say silent samples done at 128k as that's just wasting band width. On 19/08/2010, at 11:47 PM, richard claypool wrote: I'd not set the min quality for as low as posible because that's too low. i'd set maybe 128 as your lowest point, and then whatever you want as your highest point. If you can't hear above 192, and won't be shairng the files, then maybe set it to 192. msn bellevue@gmail.com skype lord_of_beer last fm http://last.fm/lord_of_beer - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If you set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
Hello all, I tell you something, but audio sounds brilliant with my headphones sitting on top of my hearing aids, which is how I am listening to the computer right now! So I will put it down to my laptop speakers rather than hearing aids. Thanks all for the help. Sent using Thunderbird On 19/08/2010 14:53, Dane Trethowan wrote: Ignore that, the whole purpose of VBR is to encode every sample at a bit rate, you don't want encoding of say silent samples done at 128k as that's just wasting band width. On 19/08/2010, at 11:47 PM, richard claypool wrote: I'd not set the min quality for as low as posible because that's too low. i'd set maybe 128 as your lowest point, and then whatever you want as your highest point. If you can't hear above 192, and won't be shairng the files, then maybe set it to 192. msn bellevue@gmail.com skype lord_of_beer last fm http://last.fm/lord_of_beer - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowangrtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If yo u set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
Chris, that is what I do, put the headphones over the hearing aides. do you have analog or digital aides, for that makes all the difference in the world. my digital aides are natural sounding like hearing should be! I have an old pair of analog aides which are sometimes on the sharp side. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Hello all, I tell you something, but audio sounds brilliant with my headphones sitting on top of my hearing aids, which is how I am listening to the computer right now! So I will put it down to my laptop speakers rather than hearing aids. Thanks all for the help. Sent using Thunderbird On 19/08/2010 14:53, Dane Trethowan wrote: Ignore that, the whole purpose of VBR is to encode every sample at a bit rate, you don't want encoding of say silent samples done at 128k as that's just wasting band width. On 19/08/2010, at 11:47 PM, richard claypool wrote: I'd not set the min quality for as low as posible because that's too low. i'd set maybe 128 as your lowest point, and then whatever you want as your highest point. If you can't hear above 192, and won't be shairng the files, then maybe set it to 192. msn bellevue@gmail.com skype lord_of_beer last fm http://last.fm/lord_of_beer - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowangrtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If yo u set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
I believe he said he had digital smile. Yes I used to put headphones over my hearing-aids but I can tell you know, if you can manage a direct connection to your hearing aids then you'll be doing yourself a huge favour! that's already been mentioned on list. I reviewed one device which may allow you to do this and its called the Tek Controller, listen to it at www.blindcooltech.com On 20/08/2010, at 8:33 AM, Gary Schindler wrote: Chris, that is what I do, put the headphones over the hearing aides. do you have analog or digital aides, for that makes all the difference in the world. my digital aides are natural sounding like hearing should be! I have an old pair of analog aides which are sometimes on the sharp side. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Hello all, I tell you something, but audio sounds brilliant with my headphones sitting on top of my hearing aids, which is how I am listening to the computer right now! So I will put it down to my laptop speakers rather than hearing aids. Thanks all for the help. Sent using Thunderbird On 19/08/2010 14:53, Dane Trethowan wrote: Ignore that, the whole purpose of VBR is to encode every sample at a bit rate, you don't want encoding of say silent samples done at 128k as that's just wasting band width. On 19/08/2010, at 11:47 PM, richard claypool wrote: I'd not set the min quality for as low as posible because that's too low. i'd set maybe 128 as your lowest point, and then whatever you want as your highest point. If you can't hear above 192, and won't be shairng the files, then maybe set it to 192. msn bellevue@gmail.com skype lord_of_beer last fm http://last.fm/lord_of_beer - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowangrtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If yo u set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users?
Thanks Dane, I shall have a listen. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? I believe he said he had digital smile. Yes I used to put headphones over my hearing-aids but I can tell you know, if you can manage a direct connection to your hearing aids then you'll be doing yourself a huge favour! that's already been mentioned on list. I reviewed one device which may allow you to do this and its called the Tek Controller, listen to it at www.blindcooltech.com On 20/08/2010, at 8:33 AM, Gary Schindler wrote: Chris, that is what I do, put the headphones over the hearing aides. do you have analog or digital aides, for that makes all the difference in the world. my digital aides are natural sounding like hearing should be! I have an old pair of analog aides which are sometimes on the sharp side. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Hello all, I tell you something, but audio sounds brilliant with my headphones sitting on top of my hearing aids, which is how I am listening to the computer right now! So I will put it down to my laptop speakers rather than hearing aids. Thanks all for the help. Sent using Thunderbird On 19/08/2010 14:53, Dane Trethowan wrote: Ignore that, the whole purpose of VBR is to encode every sample at a bit rate, you don't want encoding of say silent samples done at 128k as that's just wasting band width. On 19/08/2010, at 11:47 PM, richard claypool wrote: I'd not set the min quality for as low as posible because that's too low. i'd set maybe 128 as your lowest point, and then whatever you want as your highest point. If you can't hear above 192, and won't be shairng the files, then maybe set it to 192. msn bellevue@gmail.com skype lord_of_beer last fm http://last.fm/lord_of_beer - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowangrtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Best bitrate quality for hearing aid users? Well really this is a very strange questions, I've been wearing digital hearing aids for 15 years and I'n now asking myself, why should encoding of sound be any different to those wearing hearing aids than for those who are not? By that I mean you encode the way you want and the way you like but one thing I do know when wearing good hearing instruments is that you want the best quality sound you can get. An audio engineer once recommended me use VBR quality and I did post instructions on how to set this up with LAME and what all the settings meant quite some time ago so I'm sure you'll find it if you look in the archives. Basically what you need to do is set the minimum bit rate to as low as possible and the maximum bit rate to as high as possible. There are 2 quality bit rates, the VBR bit rate will need to be changed according to what you're encoding but a good setting for music is 3, the lower the number then the less the encoder rejects from the encoding. If yo u set the VBR quality to 1 then you may as well use a lossless compression such as FLAC. Use Joint stereo. Of course I'm referring to MP3 encoding with LAME here. On 19/08/2010, at 3:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all, I have been equipped with two very powerful digital hearing aids literally today. I'm wondering what is the best in terms of audio quality. By that I mean things like 44,100HZ 16 bit or 128KBPS. Many thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Sent using Thunderbird To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
