Re: Bose and B

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, i actually will give it a try.
I will take my bose headphones to the audio store and compare them to the B 
p7.
By the way have you had a chance to listen to the p3 model thats less expensive.
I wonder if they’re a good choice for that pricing?
And finally sorry for my missunderstanding and rudeness.
/A
> On 04 Oct 2015, at 19:48, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Again you’ve got it all wrong, I don’t dislike Bose headphones and I don’t 
> have a dislike or bias towards any brand or company, I’m telling it like it 
> is and that is that Bose headphones are not Audiophile headphones and they 
> are certainly not featured as audiophile products and I seriously doubt that 
> you have plenty of audiophile magazines, a few perhaps but not plenty, I 
> think what you mean is that there are plenty of reviews of Bose headphones 
> which compliment them and again that’s perfectly understandable coming from a 
> consumer point of view where a crowd pleasing sound would suit most people 
> but take a listen to your Bose and then take a listen to something like AKG, 
> B etc and you’ll hear the striking difference for yourself.
> 
> 
>> On 5 Oct 2015, at 3:38 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, thats your point of view.
>> I’ve seen others on audiophile magazines here in sweden.
>> Well they’re absolutely not bad.
>> But if you dislike them thats fine for me i will still use mine.
>> /A
>>> 4 okt. 2015 kl. 00:36 skrev Dane Trethowan :
>>> 
>>> I’m sorry but we’re travelling down two different roads here, go look for a 
>>> Bose pair of headphones in an Audiophile magazine and see how far you get.
>>> 
>>> I’m not saying Bose are bad, they’re certainly not the worst but they’re by 
>>> no means the best, get your Bose and then go and hear a pair of headphones 
>>> featured in an Audiophile magazine, won’t take you long to spot the 
>>> difference.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:35 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 To me the Bose ae2w is one of the best headphones for that price range 
 i’ve used.
 I think they’re 200 US Dollars but not sure.
 They’re both bluetooth and wired.
 You can just remove the bluetooth receiver and connect a cable instead.
 /A
> 3 okt. 2015 kl. 23:02 skrev Dane Trethowan :
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may 
> easily follow the conversation.
> 
> I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? 
> I had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
> comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views 
> on this too.
> 
> Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general 
> standard type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
> 
> The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy from 
> say $10 upwards to $50
> 
> There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want 
> to hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as 
> good as others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
> 
> I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes 
> of TDK, JBL etc.
> 
> Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
> rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
> frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of 
> sound, Beats are famous for doing much the same.
> 
> Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, 
> Grado Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately 
> designed to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
> 
> When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to 
> the full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the 
> piano, the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the 
> whispered words in some tracks and so on.
> 
> As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have 
> and there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper 
> headphones really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look 
> around, do your research etc.
> 
> If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very 
> close to audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by 
> the Grado Labs SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.
> 
> Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on 
> an iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but 
> they do have the sound that’s pretty much 

SV: Bose and B

[brianolesen]

Hi,
I'd also recommend Scenheiser.
They have a good crispy sound.

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan
Sendt: 4. oktober 2015 00:37
Til: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Emne: Re: Bose and B

I’m sorry but we’re travelling down two different roads here, go look for a 
Bose pair of headphones in an Audiophile magazine and see how far you get.

I’m not saying Bose are bad, they’re certainly not the worst but they’re by no 
means the best, get your Bose and then go and hear a pair of headphones 
featured in an Audiophile magazine, won’t take you long to spot the difference.


> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:35 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> To me the Bose ae2w is one of the best headphones for that price range i’ve 
> used.
> I think they’re 200 US Dollars but not sure.
> They’re both bluetooth and wired.
> You can just remove the bluetooth receiver and connect a cable instead.
> /A
>> 3 okt. 2015 kl. 23:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>> 
>> Hi there!
>> 
>> Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may easily 
>> follow the conversation.
>> 
>> I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? I 
>> had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
>> comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views on 
>> this too.
>> 
>> Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general 
>> standard type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
>> 
>> The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy 
>> from say $10 upwards to $50
>> 
>> There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want to 
>> hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as good as 
>> others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
>> 
>> I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes of 
>> TDK, JBL etc.
>> 
>> Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
>> rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
>> frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of sound, 
>> Beats are famous for doing much the same.
>> 
>> Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
>> Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately designed 
>> to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
>> 
>> When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to the 
>> full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the piano, 
>> the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the whispered words 
>> in some tracks and so on.
>> 
>> As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have and 
>> there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper 
>> headphones really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look 
>> around, do your research etc.
>> 
>> If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very close 
>> to audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by the 
>> Grado Labs SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.
>> 
>> Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on an 
>> iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but they 
>> do have the sound that’s pretty much unbeaten given what they’re worth.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Heath via Pc-audio <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "John Heath" <gus1...@yahoo.com>
>>> Date: 4 October 2015 at 7:46:56 AM AEDT
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Subject: Re: B P3 Stereo Headphone review by Dale | 
>>> Stereophile.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Dane! Have you ever compaired the more expensive model with the Bose?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, 
>>> October 03, 2015 2:39 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: B P3 
>>> Stereo Headphone review by Dale | Stereophile.com I mentioned the B P7 
>>> Headphones, here's a review of the B P3, 2 models down and perhaps this 
>>> might be a more affordable choice for some people.
>>> http://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-p3-stereo-headphone-review-dal
>>> e
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
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Re: Bose and B

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I whish i could mate.
THe problem is that i am not working which means i don’t have much money to 
spend.
But ofcourse i could order the p7 anyway.
I have to wait for a while first before i get them.
By the curious way.
Have they made any headphones above the p7?
Like p9 or something?
One thing that makes me think about the p7 is the short cable which i really 
like.
Most headphones cables are to long imho.
And i really do not know how to handle long cables?
/A

Re: Bose and B

[Anders Holmberg]

HI!
I still own a pair of sennheiser rs140.
Still usable for sports.
/A
> 4 okt. 2015 kl. 10:32 skrev brianolesen <br...@blindkom.dk>:
> 
> Hi,
> I'd also recommend Scenheiser.
> They have a good crispy sound.
> 
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sendt: 4. oktober 2015 00:37
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Emne: Re: Bose and B
> 
> I’m sorry but we’re travelling down two different roads here, go look for a 
> Bose pair of headphones in an Audiophile magazine and see how far you get.
> 
> I’m not saying Bose are bad, they’re certainly not the worst but they’re by 
> no means the best, get your Bose and then go and hear a pair of headphones 
> featured in an Audiophile magazine, won’t take you long to spot the 
> difference.
> 
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:35 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> To me the Bose ae2w is one of the best headphones for that price range i’ve 
>> used.
>> I think they’re 200 US Dollars but not sure.
>> They’re both bluetooth and wired.
>> You can just remove the bluetooth receiver and connect a cable instead.
>> /A
>>> 3 okt. 2015 kl. 23:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>>> 
>>> Hi there!
>>> 
>>> Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may 
>>> easily follow the conversation.
>>> 
>>> I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? I 
>>> had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
>>> comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views 
>>> on this too.
>>> 
>>> Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general 
>>> standard type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
>>> 
>>> The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy 
>>> from say $10 upwards to $50
>>> 
>>> There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want to 
>>> hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as good 
>>> as others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
>>> 
>>> I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes of 
>>> TDK, JBL etc.
>>> 
>>> Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
>>> rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
>>> frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of sound, 
>>> Beats are famous for doing much the same.
>>> 
>>> Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
>>> Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately 
>>> designed to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
>>> 
>>> When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to the 
>>> full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the 
>>> piano, the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the 
>>> whispered words in some tracks and so on.
>>> 
>>> As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have and 
>>> there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper 
>>> headphones really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look 
>>> around, do your research etc.
>>> 
>>> If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very close 
>>> to audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by the 
>>> Grado Labs SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.
>>> 
>>> Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on 
>>> an iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but 
>>> they do have the sound that’s pretty much unbeaten given what they’re worth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Heath via Pc-audio <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: "John Heath" <gus1...@yahoo.com>
>>>> Date: 4 October 2015 at 7:46:56 AM AEDT
>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: B P3 Stereo Headphone review by Dale | 
>>>> Stereophile.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Dane! Have you ever c

Re: Bose and B

[Dane Trethowan]

Again you’ve got it all wrong, I don’t dislike Bose headphones and I don’t have 
a dislike or bias towards any brand or company, I’m telling it like it is and 
that is that Bose headphones are not Audiophile headphones and they are 
certainly not featured as audiophile products and I seriously doubt that you 
have plenty of audiophile magazines, a few perhaps but not plenty, I think what 
you mean is that there are plenty of reviews of Bose headphones which 
compliment them and again that’s perfectly understandable coming from a 
consumer point of view where a crowd pleasing sound would suit most people but 
take a listen to your Bose and then take a listen to something like AKG, B 
etc and you’ll hear the striking difference for yourself.


> On 5 Oct 2015, at 3:38 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, thats your point of view.
> I’ve seen others on audiophile magazines here in sweden.
> Well they’re absolutely not bad.
> But if you dislike them thats fine for me i will still use mine.
> /A
>> 4 okt. 2015 kl. 00:36 skrev Dane Trethowan :
>> 
>> I’m sorry but we’re travelling down two different roads here, go look for a 
>> Bose pair of headphones in an Audiophile magazine and see how far you get.
>> 
>> I’m not saying Bose are bad, they’re certainly not the worst but they’re by 
>> no means the best, get your Bose and then go and hear a pair of headphones 
>> featured in an Audiophile magazine, won’t take you long to spot the 
>> difference.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:35 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> To me the Bose ae2w is one of the best headphones for that price range i’ve 
>>> used.
>>> I think they’re 200 US Dollars but not sure.
>>> They’re both bluetooth and wired.
>>> You can just remove the bluetooth receiver and connect a cable instead.
>>> /A
 3 okt. 2015 kl. 23:02 skrev Dane Trethowan :
 
 Hi there!
 
 Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may 
 easily follow the conversation.
 
 I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? 
 I had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
 comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views 
 on this too.
 
 Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general 
 standard type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
 
 The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy from say 
 $10 upwards to $50
 
 There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want 
 to hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as 
 good as others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
 
 I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes 
 of TDK, JBL etc.
 
 Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
 rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
 frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of 
 sound, Beats are famous for doing much the same.
 
 Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
 Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately 
 designed to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
 
 When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to 
 the full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the 
 piano, the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the 
 whispered words in some tracks and so on.
 
 As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have 
 and there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper 
 headphones really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look 
 around, do your research etc.
 
 If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very close 
 to audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by the 
 Grado Labs SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.
 
 Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on 
 an iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but 
 they do have the sound that’s pretty much unbeaten given what they’re 
 worth.
 
 
> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Heath via Pc-audio 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: "John Heath" 
> Date: 4 October 2015 at 7:46:56 AM AEDT
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: B P3 Stereo Headphone review by Dale | Stereophile.com
> 
> 
> Hi Dane! Have you ever compaired the more expensive model with the Bose?
> 
> 

Re: Bose and B

[Dane Trethowan]

Firstly, y’re not the only one on a fixed income, I’m in the same boat and i 
saved to get the the P7’S for quite a time but that’s for another day and 
another time but be rest assured I appreciate where you’re coming from.

The B P7’S are the top B cans and when you see a pair you’ll not only 
understand that they are a top model but You’ll also appreciate that they’re 
standard is far better than most headphones, certainly about the best you’ll 
get for $300 without question, the build quality, the sound experience, the 
luxury of these cans etc so - in short - if you can put some money towards 
these then it will be a very worthwhile investment if you love your audio.

> On 5 Oct 2015, at 2:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I whish i could mate.
> THe problem is that i am not working which means i don’t have much money to 
> spend.
> But ofcourse i could order the p7 anyway.
> I have to wait for a while first before i get them.
> By the curious way.
> Have they made any headphones above the p7?
> Like p9 or something?
> One thing that makes me think about the p7 is the short cable which i really 
> like.
> Most headphones cables are to long imho.
> And i really do not know how to handle long cables?
> /A

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bose and B

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, thats your point of view.
I’ve seen others on audiophile magazines here in sweden.
Well they’re absolutely not bad.
But if you dislike them thats fine for me i will still use mine.
/A
> 4 okt. 2015 kl. 00:36 skrev Dane Trethowan :
> 
> I’m sorry but we’re travelling down two different roads here, go look for a 
> Bose pair of headphones in an Audiophile magazine and see how far you get.
> 
> I’m not saying Bose are bad, they’re certainly not the worst but they’re by 
> no means the best, get your Bose and then go and hear a pair of headphones 
> featured in an Audiophile magazine, won’t take you long to spot the 
> difference.
> 
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:35 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> To me the Bose ae2w is one of the best headphones for that price range i’ve 
>> used.
>> I think they’re 200 US Dollars but not sure.
>> They’re both bluetooth and wired.
>> You can just remove the bluetooth receiver and connect a cable instead.
>> /A
>>> 3 okt. 2015 kl. 23:02 skrev Dane Trethowan :
>>> 
>>> Hi there!
>>> 
>>> Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may 
>>> easily follow the conversation.
>>> 
>>> I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? I 
>>> had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
>>> comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views 
>>> on this too.
>>> 
>>> Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general 
>>> standard type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
>>> 
>>> The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy from say 
>>> $10 upwards to $50
>>> 
>>> There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want to 
>>> hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as good 
>>> as others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
>>> 
>>> I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes of 
>>> TDK, JBL etc.
>>> 
>>> Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
>>> rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
>>> frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of sound, 
>>> Beats are famous for doing much the same.
>>> 
>>> Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
>>> Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately 
>>> designed to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
>>> 
>>> When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to the 
>>> full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the 
>>> piano, the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the 
>>> whispered words in some tracks and so on.
>>> 
>>> As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have and 
>>> there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper 
>>> headphones really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look 
>>> around, do your research etc.
>>> 
>>> If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very close 
>>> to audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by the 
>>> Grado Labs SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.
>>> 
>>> Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on 
>>> an iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but 
>>> they do have the sound that’s pretty much unbeaten given what they’re worth.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Heath via Pc-audio  
 wrote:
 
 
 From: "John Heath" 
 Date: 4 October 2015 at 7:46:56 AM AEDT
 To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
 Subject: Re: B P3 Stereo Headphone review by Dale | Stereophile.com
 
 
 Hi Dane! Have you ever compaired the more expensive model with the Bose?
 
 -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 
 03, 2015 2:39 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: B P3 Stereo 
 Headphone review by Dale | Stereophile.com 
 I mentioned the B P7 Headphones, here's a review of the B P3, 2 models 
 down and perhaps this might be a more affordable choice for some people.
 http://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-p3-stereo-headphone-review-dale
 
 -- 
 
 **
 Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
 
 
 
 
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Bose and B

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Count this into swedish crowns.
Expensive!
/A
> 4 okt. 2015 kl. 03:22 skrev Dane Trethowan :
> 
> And the B P7's are just under $300, just looked them up on Amazon.
> 
> 
> On 10/4/2015 9:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I have never heard a pair of these Bose phones. But for 200 U.S.
>> dollars, those AKG q701 phones can be had from Amazon.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
> 

Re: Bose and B

[Anders Holmberg]

Which means i don’t love my music?
/A
> 4 okt. 2015 kl. 00:43 skrev Dane Trethowan :
> 
> Thank you Mary, I know what I’d be buying myself .
> 
> I said it before and I’ll say it again, Bose headphones are Crowd Pleasers 
> whereas AKG - the particular type Mary is referring to here - are for those 
> who love their music.
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 9:40 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I have never heard a pair of these Bose phones. But for 200 U.S.
>> dollars, those AKG q701 phones can be had from Amazon. 
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Bose and B

[Dane Trethowan]

You’re taking it too personally Angus, no one said you didn’t like your music 
and I’m sure you do but - it would appear from your eMail contributions to this 
discussion - that you haven’t yet heard just how wonderful your music will 
sound and I understand that.

I’ve been down the Bose road with headphones so again, go and listen to a pair 
of B P7’s or the AKG model Mary mentioned, take along a couple of favourite 
audio CD’S or some FLAC files and hear the difference for yourself.


> On 5 Oct 2015, at 3:39 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Which means i don’t love my music?
> /A
>> 4 okt. 2015 kl. 00:43 skrev Dane Trethowan :
>> 
>> Thank you Mary, I know what I’d be buying myself .
>> 
>> I said it before and I’ll say it again, Bose headphones are Crowd Pleasers 
>> whereas AKG - the particular type Mary is referring to here - are for those 
>> who love their music.
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 9:40 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have never heard a pair of these Bose phones. But for 200 U.S.
>>> dollars, those AKG q701 phones can be had from Amazon. 
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bose and B

[Dane Trethowan]

Similar story here, I never believe that any company is best at anything let 
alone Bose.  My first Bose product was a Bose Wave Radio and - when I got it - 
I found the sound amazing though radio performance was very poor, I believe 
this has changed in the latest generation of Wave Radio.

Anyhow it didn’t take me long - as I read more and more audiophile reviews on 
different products - to question just how good Bose sounded, surely if it was 
any good then Audiophiles would be raving about the stuff but the silence was 
deafening.

As list members will know, one of my interests is Audio Streaming and it has 
been stated by many people at various times that one of the best streaming 
clients for AirPlay is the B range which includes the A5, A7, Z2 and so on, 
if such products were so highly regarded then it seemed sensible to me to plan 
and get one which I did, I bought the A5 19 months ago and compared to the Bose 
Wave Radio? Well quite frankly the B A5 just makes the Bose sound as though 
its at the bottom of a hole literally, the Wave System sounds absolutely dull 
and boring and I think I’m very much able to appreciate the following 
quotation, “No Highs just Lows, that sounds like Bose” , a little 
exaggerated perhaps because the highs are there but they’re swamped by the 
loose base.

> On 5 Oct 2015, at 7:20 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What's also perhaps getting him stuck and it did me too is all the better 
> sound threw research stuff and the most respected name in sound stuff. That's 
> why I couldn't believe there could be better when I watched Falkinlazer on 
> youtube. What finally convinced me was that vid he did of oddly enough I 
> think it was some BNW speakers. Like I told you Dain this threw his kind of 
> meh camara the X Wings sounded clearer louder and sharper then I had ever 
> heard them. Sadly I think those speakers what ever they were I can't remember 
> right now, are ceveral thousand dolars. I want them.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 1:50 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Bose and B
> 
> You’re taking it too personally Angus, no one said you didn’t like your music 
> and I’m sure you do but - it would appear from your eMail contributions to 
> this discussion - that you haven’t yet heard just how wonderful your music 
> will sound and I understand that.
> 
> I’ve been down the Bose road with headphones so again, go and listen to a 
> pair of B P7’s or the AKG model Mary mentioned, take along a couple of 
> favourite audio CD’S or some FLAC files and hear the difference for yourself.
> 
> 
>> On 5 Oct 2015, at 3:39 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Which means i don’t love my music?
>> /A
>>> 4 okt. 2015 kl. 00:43 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Mary, I know what I’d be buying myself .
>>> 
>>> I said it before and I’ll say it again, Bose headphones are Crowd Pleasers 
>>> whereas AKG - the particular type Mary is referring to here - are for those 
>>> who love their music.
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 9:40 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have never heard a pair of these Bose phones. But for 200 U.S.
>>>> dollars, those AKG q701 phones can be had from Amazon. 
>>>> 
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Bose and B

[Hamit Campos]

Oh man if Rode makde headphones those would be soo epic! I mean you've 
heard Neal's NT1A mike right? Acompany that makes such an epic mike I'd have to 
say would make epic headphones.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 1:48 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Bose and B

Again you’ve got it all wrong, I don’t dislike Bose headphones and I don’t have 
a dislike or bias towards any brand or company, I’m telling it like it is and 
that is that Bose headphones are not Audiophile headphones and they are 
certainly not featured as audiophile products and I seriously doubt that you 
have plenty of audiophile magazines, a few perhaps but not plenty, I think what 
you mean is that there are plenty of reviews of Bose headphones which 
compliment them and again that’s perfectly understandable coming from a 
consumer point of view where a crowd pleasing sound would suit most people but 
take a listen to your Bose and then take a listen to something like AKG, B 
etc and you’ll hear the striking difference for yourself.


> On 5 Oct 2015, at 3:38 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, thats your point of view.
> I’ve seen others on audiophile magazines here in sweden.
> Well they’re absolutely not bad.
> But if you dislike them thats fine for me i will still use mine.
> /A
>> 4 okt. 2015 kl. 00:36 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>> 
>> I’m sorry but we’re travelling down two different roads here, go look for a 
>> Bose pair of headphones in an Audiophile magazine and see how far you get.
>> 
>> I’m not saying Bose are bad, they’re certainly not the worst but they’re by 
>> no means the best, get your Bose and then go and hear a pair of headphones 
>> featured in an Audiophile magazine, won’t take you long to spot the 
>> difference.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:35 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> To me the Bose ae2w is one of the best headphones for that price range i’ve 
>>> used.
>>> I think they’re 200 US Dollars but not sure.
>>> They’re both bluetooth and wired.
>>> You can just remove the bluetooth receiver and connect a cable instead.
>>> /A
>>>> 3 okt. 2015 kl. 23:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi there!
>>>> 
>>>> Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may 
>>>> easily follow the conversation.
>>>> 
>>>> I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? 
>>>> I had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
>>>> comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views 
>>>> on this too.
>>>> 
>>>> Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general 
>>>> standard type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
>>>> 
>>>> The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy 
>>>> from say $10 upwards to $50
>>>> 
>>>> There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want 
>>>> to hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as 
>>>> good as others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes 
>>>> of TDK, JBL etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
>>>> rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
>>>> frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of 
>>>> sound, Beats are famous for doing much the same.
>>>> 
>>>> Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
>>>> Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately 
>>>> designed to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
>>>> 
>>>> When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to 
>>>> the full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the 
>>>> piano, the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the 
>>>> whispered words in some tracks and so on.
>>>> 
>>>> As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have 
>>>> and there are

RE: Bose and B

[Hamit Campos]

Well it took for me to hear stuff to believe. Not just read. Also making note 
of how behind Bose is. Let's leave them alone as far as Dolby Atmos goes for 
now as they don't have a 7.1 system yet even. Yeah youu can kind of build your 
own, but the speakers that they recommend for the back ain't jewell cubes. So 
they won't match. Not sure if they do match more with the direct 1s, but I'd 
have to hear it for my self to be sure. I'll give you this, the OE2I headphones 
I have will give you Cinimatic bace, but like I said for the real sharp crisp 
attack on your ear drums from the smack of the whip in the Malazia vid of a guy 
being wwhipped for drinking beer, well, the Apple Ear Pods even do better at 
that. As  will the Soundlink Mini from bose. Funny enough this also sounds 
better on my companion 5 system. So I thought it's to protect your ears. I now 
realize it is indeed a quality thing because even with out the cousions that 
whip doesn't really attack your drums. Also and I know I always bring her up, 
but the 98 Zilla also doesn't sound any better threw the drivers them selves. 
Again my Apple ear pods beat the pants off of Bose. So will my JBL speakers in 
my Samsung TV. I was surprised to see this. I was all like seriously? Is this 
really happening? The TV has even beat the pants off of the Companion 5 system 
for Zilla's wistle sound? Are you kidding me right now? The only thing from 
bose that I've listened to where she sounds pretty good is the soundlink System 
3. Pluss you get the cinematic bass for the foot steps. Which I will grant the 
SL Mini do that. As do the headset.s. Oh well. Oh yeah the lifestyle systems 
can't handle DTS HD Master Audio directly. Tthose are Bose's short commings for 
me. But they are pretty good other than that. It just shocks me that the Apple 
ear pods do better at crispness. I'm not into Drey's beats. Tried the ear buds 
and meh not too cool. I did try the pill too, Zilla's tornado blast is okay but 
as there's hardly any bass, well not cool when she walks. Oh well.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 4:31 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Bose and B

Similar story here, I never believe that any company is best at anything let 
alone Bose.  My first Bose product was a Bose Wave Radio and - when I got it - 
I found the sound amazing though radio performance was very poor, I believe 
this has changed in the latest generation of Wave Radio.

Anyhow it didn’t take me long - as I read more and more audiophile reviews on 
different products - to question just how good Bose sounded, surely if it was 
any good then Audiophiles would be raving about the stuff but the silence was 
deafening.

As list members will know, one of my interests is Audio Streaming and it has 
been stated by many people at various times that one of the best streaming 
clients for AirPlay is the B range which includes the A5, A7, Z2 and so on, 
if such products were so highly regarded then it seemed sensible to me to plan 
and get one which I did, I bought the A5 19 months ago and compared to the Bose 
Wave Radio? Well quite frankly the B A5 just makes the Bose sound as though 
its at the bottom of a hole literally, the Wave System sounds absolutely dull 
and boring and I think I’m very much able to appreciate the following 
quotation, “No Highs just Lows, that sounds like Bose” , a little 
exaggerated perhaps because the highs are there but they’re swamped by the 
loose base.

> On 5 Oct 2015, at 7:20 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What's also perhaps getting him stuck and it did me too is all the better 
> sound threw research stuff and the most respected name in sound stuff. That's 
> why I couldn't believe there could be better when I watched Falkinlazer on 
> youtube. What finally convinced me was that vid he did of oddly enough I 
> think it was some BNW speakers. Like I told you Dain this threw his kind of 
> meh camara the X Wings sounded clearer louder and sharper then I had ever 
> heard them. Sadly I think those speakers what ever they were I can't remember 
> right now, are ceveral thousand dolars. I want them.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 1:50 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Bose and B
> 
> You’re taking it too personally Angus, no one said you didn’t like your music 
> and I’m sure you do but - it would appear from your eMail contributions to 
> this discussion - that you haven’t yet heard just how wonderful your music 
> will sound and I understand that.
> 
> I’ve been down the Bose road with headphones so again, go and listen to a 
> pair of B P7’s or the AKG mod

RE: Bose and B

[Hamit Campos]

What's also perhaps getting him stuck and it did me too is all the better sound 
threw research stuff and the most respected name in sound stuff. That's why I 
couldn't believe there could be better when I watched Falkinlazer on youtube. 
What finally convinced me was that vid he did of oddly enough I think it was 
some BNW speakers. Like I told you Dain this threw his kind of meh camara the X 
Wings sounded clearer louder and sharper then I had ever heard them. Sadly I 
think those speakers what ever they were I can't remember right now, are 
ceveral thousand dolars. I want them.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 1:50 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Bose and B

You’re taking it too personally Angus, no one said you didn’t like your music 
and I’m sure you do but - it would appear from your eMail contributions to this 
discussion - that you haven’t yet heard just how wonderful your music will 
sound and I understand that.

I’ve been down the Bose road with headphones so again, go and listen to a pair 
of B P7’s or the AKG model Mary mentioned, take along a couple of favourite 
audio CD’S or some FLAC files and hear the difference for yourself.


> On 5 Oct 2015, at 3:39 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Which means i don’t love my music?
> /A
>> 4 okt. 2015 kl. 00:43 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>> 
>> Thank you Mary, I know what I’d be buying myself .
>> 
>> I said it before and I’ll say it again, Bose headphones are Crowd Pleasers 
>> whereas AKG - the particular type Mary is referring to here - are for those 
>> who love their music.
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 9:40 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have never heard a pair of these Bose phones. But for 200 U.S.
>>> dollars, those AKG q701 phones can be had from Amazon. 
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Bose and B

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi there!

Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may easily 
follow the conversation.

I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? I had 
a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some comparisons 
and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views on this too.

Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general standard 
type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.

The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy from say $10 
upwards to $50

There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want to 
hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as good as 
others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.

I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes of 
TDK, JBL etc.

Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass rich 
sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top frequency’s 
in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of sound, Beats are 
famous for doing much the same.

Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately designed to 
enrich the musical experience when listening to them.

When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to the 
full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the piano, 
the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the whispered words in 
some tracks and so on.

As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have and 
there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper headphones 
really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look around, do your 
research etc.

If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very close to 
audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by the Grado Labs 
SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.

Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on an 
iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but they do 
have the sound that’s pretty much unbeaten given what they’re worth.


> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Heath via Pc-audio  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: "John Heath" 
> Date: 4 October 2015 at 7:46:56 AM AEDT
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: B P3 Stereo Headphone review by Dale | Stereophile.com
> 
> 
> Hi Dane! Have you ever compaired the more expensive model with the Bose?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 03, 
> 2015 2:39 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: B P3 Stereo Headphone 
> review by Dale | Stereophile.com 
> I mentioned the B P7 Headphones, here's a review of the B P3, 2 models 
> down and perhaps this might be a more affordable choice for some people.
> http://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-p3-stereo-headphone-review-dale
> 
> -- 
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bose and B

[Dane Trethowan]

Only one comment to make, enjoy your Bose but enjoy something even better with 
B, AKg, Senheiser etc.

> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:35 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> To me the Bose ae2w is one of the best headphones for that price range i’ve 
> used.
> I think they’re 200 US Dollars but not sure.
> They’re both bluetooth and wired.
> You can just remove the bluetooth receiver and connect a cable instead.
> /A
>> 3 okt. 2015 kl. 23:02 skrev Dane Trethowan :
>> 
>> Hi there!
>> 
>> Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may easily 
>> follow the conversation.
>> 
>> I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? I 
>> had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
>> comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views on 
>> this too.
>> 
>> Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general 
>> standard type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
>> 
>> The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy from say 
>> $10 upwards to $50
>> 
>> There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want to 
>> hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as good as 
>> others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
>> 
>> I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes of 
>> TDK, JBL etc.
>> 
>> Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
>> rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
>> frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of sound, 
>> Beats are famous for doing much the same.
>> 
>> Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
>> Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately designed 
>> to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
>> 
>> When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to the 
>> full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the piano, 
>> the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the whispered words 
>> in some tracks and so on.
>> 
>> As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have and 
>> there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper 
>> headphones really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look 
>> around, do your research etc.
>> 
>> If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very close 
>> to audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by the 
>> Grado Labs SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.
>> 
>> Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on an 
>> iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but they 
>> do have the sound that’s pretty much unbeaten given what they’re worth.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Heath via Pc-audio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "John Heath" 
>>> Date: 4 October 2015 at 7:46:56 AM AEDT
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>> Subject: Re: B P3 Stereo Headphone review by Dale | Stereophile.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Dane! Have you ever compaired the more expensive model with the Bose?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 03, 
>>> 2015 2:39 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: B P3 Stereo Headphone 
>>> review by Dale | Stereophile.com 
>>> I mentioned the B P7 Headphones, here's a review of the B P3, 2 models 
>>> down and perhaps this might be a more affordable choice for some people.
>>> http://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-p3-stereo-headphone-review-dale
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bose and B

[Dane Trethowan]

Thank you Mary, I know what I’d be buying myself .

I said it before and I’ll say it again, Bose headphones are Crowd Pleasers 
whereas AKG - the particular type Mary is referring to here - are for those who 
love their music.

> On 4 Oct 2015, at 9:40 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have never heard a pair of these Bose phones. But for 200 U.S.
> dollars, those AKG q701 phones can be had from Amazon. 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bose and B

[Mary Otten]

I have never heard a pair of these Bose phones. But for 200 U.S.
dollars, those AKG q701 phones can be had from Amazon. 

Mary

Re: Bose and B

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
To me the Bose ae2w is one of the best headphones for that price range i’ve 
used.
I think they’re 200 US Dollars but not sure.
They’re both bluetooth and wired.
You can just remove the bluetooth receiver and connect a cable instead.
/A
> 3 okt. 2015 kl. 23:02 skrev Dane Trethowan :
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may easily 
> follow the conversation.
> 
> I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? I 
> had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
> comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views on 
> this too.
> 
> Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general standard 
> type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
> 
> The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy from say 
> $10 upwards to $50
> 
> There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want to 
> hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as good as 
> others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
> 
> I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes of 
> TDK, JBL etc.
> 
> Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
> rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
> frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of sound, 
> Beats are famous for doing much the same.
> 
> Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
> Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately designed 
> to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
> 
> When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to the 
> full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the piano, 
> the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the whispered words 
> in some tracks and so on.
> 
> As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have and 
> there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper 
> headphones really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look around, 
> do your research etc.
> 
> If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very close to 
> audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by the Grado 
> Labs SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.
> 
> Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on an 
> iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but they 
> do have the sound that’s pretty much unbeaten given what they’re worth.
> 
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Heath via Pc-audio  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> From: "John Heath" 
>> Date: 4 October 2015 at 7:46:56 AM AEDT
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: B P3 Stereo Headphone review by Dale | Stereophile.com
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Dane! Have you ever compaired the more expensive model with the Bose?
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 03, 
>> 2015 2:39 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: B P3 Stereo Headphone 
>> review by Dale | Stereophile.com 
>> I mentioned the B P7 Headphones, here's a review of the B P3, 2 models 
>> down and perhaps this might be a more affordable choice for some people.
>> http://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-p3-stereo-headphone-review-dale
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> **
>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Bose and B

[covici]

This I agree with absolutely, I have one of the higher end ones (p7) --
saved a bit of money buying openbox -- and I like that the base is not
overwhelming like the Bose, you really hear what was intended, depending
on the recording.

Dane Trethowan  wrote:

> Hi there!
> 
> Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may easily 
> follow the conversation.
> 
> I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? I 
> had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
> comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views on 
> this too.
> 
> Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general standard 
> type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
> 
> The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy from say 
> $10 upwards to $50
> 
> There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want to 
> hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as good as 
> others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
> 
> I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes of 
> TDK, JBL etc.
> 
> Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
> rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
> frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of sound, 
> Beats are famous for doing much the same.
> 
> Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
> Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately designed 
> to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
> 
> When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to the 
> full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the piano, 
> the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the whispered words 
> in some tracks and so on.
> 
> As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have and 
> there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper 
> headphones really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look around, 
> do your research etc.
> 
> If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very close to 
> audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by the Grado 
> Labs SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.
> 
> Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on an 
> iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but they 
> do have the sound that’s pretty much unbeaten given what they’re worth.
> 
> 
> > On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Heath via Pc-audio  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: "John Heath" 
> > Date: 4 October 2015 at 7:46:56 AM AEDT
> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> > Subject: Re: B P3 Stereo Headphone review by Dale | Stereophile.com
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Dane! Have you ever compaired the more expensive model with the Bose?
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 03, 
> > 2015 2:39 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: B P3 Stereo Headphone 
> > review by Dale | Stereophile.com 
> > I mentioned the B P7 Headphones, here's a review of the B P3, 2 models 
> > down and perhaps this might be a more affordable choice for some people.
> > http://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-p3-stereo-headphone-review-dale
> > 
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Re: Bose and B

[Dane Trethowan]

Regarding the B P7, the other remarkable thing about those cans is that 
you’re getting an Audiophile product that - not all that long ago - you would 
have had to pay at least twice the price for, if not more, my pair of 
Senheisers I bought back in 2005 sounds nearly as good but not quite, isn’t as 
well built etc.

The Cable and one of the elements needs replacing but I don’t think I’ll even 
bother sending the unit off for repair, just not worth my while.

> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:24 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> 
> This I agree with absolutely, I have one of the higher end ones (p7) --
> saved a bit of money buying openbox -- and I like that the base is not
> overwhelming like the Bose, you really hear what was intended, depending
> on the recording.
> 
> Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there!
>> 
>> Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may easily 
>> follow the conversation.
>> 
>> I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? I 
>> had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
>> comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views on 
>> this too.
>> 
>> Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general 
>> standard type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
>> 
>> The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy from say 
>> $10 upwards to $50
>> 
>> There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want to 
>> hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as good as 
>> others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
>> 
>> I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes of 
>> TDK, JBL etc.
>> 
>> Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
>> rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
>> frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of sound, 
>> Beats are famous for doing much the same.
>> 
>> Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
>> Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately designed 
>> to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
>> 
>> When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to the 
>> full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the piano, 
>> the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the whispered words 
>> in some tracks and so on.
>> 
>> As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have and 
>> there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper 
>> headphones really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look 
>> around, do your research etc.
>> 
>> If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very close 
>> to audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by the 
>> Grado Labs SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.
>> 
>> Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on an 
>> iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but they 
>> do have the sound that’s pretty much unbeaten given what they’re worth.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Heath via Pc-audio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "John Heath" 
>>> Date: 4 October 2015 at 7:46:56 AM AEDT
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>> Subject: Re: B P3 Stereo Headphone review by Dale | Stereophile.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Dane! Have you ever compaired the more expensive model with the Bose?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 03, 
>>> 2015 2:39 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: B P3 Stereo Headphone 
>>> review by Dale | Stereophile.com 
>>> I mentioned the B P7 Headphones, here's a review of the B P3, 2 models 
>>> down and perhaps this might be a more affordable choice for some people.
>>> http://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-p3-stereo-headphone-review-dale
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Bose and B

[Dane Trethowan]

I’m sorry but we’re travelling down two different roads here, go look for a 
Bose pair of headphones in an Audiophile magazine and see how far you get.

I’m not saying Bose are bad, they’re certainly not the worst but they’re by no 
means the best, get your Bose and then go and hear a pair of headphones 
featured in an Audiophile magazine, won’t take you long to spot the difference.


> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:35 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> To me the Bose ae2w is one of the best headphones for that price range i’ve 
> used.
> I think they’re 200 US Dollars but not sure.
> They’re both bluetooth and wired.
> You can just remove the bluetooth receiver and connect a cable instead.
> /A
>> 3 okt. 2015 kl. 23:02 skrev Dane Trethowan :
>> 
>> Hi there!
>> 
>> Firstly can you please use some sort of subject line so so others may easily 
>> follow the conversation.
>> 
>> I assume you’re talking about comparing the B headphones with the Bose? I 
>> had a feeling someone would ask this question and yes, I’ve done some 
>> comparisons and offer my comments below, I’d be interested in other views on 
>> this too.
>> 
>> Headphones as far as I can tell fall into 3 main groups, the general 
>> standard type, the crowd pleasers and the audiophile type headphones.
>> 
>> The general headphones are the run of the mill stuff that you buy from say 
>> $10 upwards to $50
>> 
>> There are some bargains to be had here but as a general rule if you want to 
>> hear a top sound for music listening then these headphones aren’t as good as 
>> others up the price change, good enough for most people perhaps.
>> 
>> I’ve certainly heard some nice sounds in this price range from the likes of 
>> TDK, JBL etc.
>> 
>> Then you have the crowd pleasers from the likes of Bose, they have a bass 
>> rich sound but often this swamps the mid-range and to an extent the top 
>> frequency’s in a musical track but a lot of people like this sort of sound, 
>> Beats are famous for doing much the same.
>> 
>> Then we come to the top of the line audiophile stuff from Sehneiser, Grado 
>> Labs, the top Sony stuff, B, AKG etc, these cans are deliberately designed 
>> to enrich the musical experience when listening to them.
>> 
>> When you listen to your favourite music you should enjoy its clarity to the 
>> full, these headphones are designed so you can hear the attack of the piano, 
>> the effects of the guitar, the silkiness of the strings, the whispered words 
>> in some tracks and so on.
>> 
>> As I say, the notes I’ve written above are just general thoughts I have and 
>> there are exceptions which I’ve noted here too, some of the cheaper 
>> headphones really give you bang for your buck but you do have to look 
>> around, do your research etc.
>> 
>> If you’re on a budget and you want a good set of cans that come very close 
>> to audiophile spec then you will be astounded at the sound given by the 
>> Grado Labs SR60I, think they’re around $75 US dollars.
>> 
>> Build quality isn’t superb and no, they’re going to sound rather quiet on an 
>> iPhone, Note4 etc on their own through the standard headphone jack but they 
>> do have the sound that’s pretty much unbeaten given what they’re worth.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Heath via Pc-audio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "John Heath" 
>>> Date: 4 October 2015 at 7:46:56 AM AEDT
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>> Subject: Re: B P3 Stereo Headphone review by Dale | Stereophile.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Dane! Have you ever compaired the more expensive model with the Bose?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 03, 
>>> 2015 2:39 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: B P3 Stereo Headphone 
>>> review by Dale | Stereophile.com 
>>> I mentioned the B P7 Headphones, here's a review of the B P3, 2 models 
>>> down and perhaps this might be a more affordable choice for some people.
>>> http://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-p3-stereo-headphone-review-dale
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: Bose and B

[Dane Trethowan]

And the B P7's are just under $300, just looked them up on Amazon.


On 10/4/2015 9:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

I have never heard a pair of these Bose phones. But for 200 U.S.
dollars, those AKG q701 phones can be had from Amazon.

Mary




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