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te reasons, such as lack of interest, > knowledge and/or skill that may make you incapable, or unwilling to > locate, use and assess new software. But asking others what appeals to > them about other products is pointless. If I were to tell you that > Foobar has a very handy plug-in available for previewing sections of > songs, and that it comes in very useful when broadcasting internet radio > shows, would that apply to you? If I said that it uses less RAM than > WinAmp, would you care? For all I know, your computer might be a > powerhouse of a machine with an amount of memory that makes high RAM > usage insignificant. > > I should also note that Foobar is extremely popular, and that popularity > is increasing constantly. This somewhat removes the notion that you > either look for new software or you don't; you can be alerted to the > existence of a new software application simply by reading status updates > on a social networking website, someone's e-mail signature, an article > on a blog related to a topic you were actually investigating, etc. I > didn't find Foobar through research into new media players; I found it > through a software recommendation. > > Previously, Tom Kaufman said: >> Christopher and list: Amen! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I've >> never tried Foover (I've no doubt that it's probably a good player) >> but I so far have had good luck with Winamp, so why would I want to >> change? What does Foover do that Winamp doesn't? I guess what I'm >> saying is: if I felt the need to go with a different player, I'd >> probably give this "Foover a try. But currently, Winamp seems to work >> okay for me! >> Tom Kaufman >> - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" >> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:38 AM >> Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes >> >> >>> Well, I totally disagree with this statement. Maybe I hang around with >>> particularly cautious sighted people or particularly adventurous blind >>> people, but I don't find blind computer users any more reluctant to try >>> new applications than sighted people. IMHO, this is a dangerous >>> stereotype, maybe caused by spending more time on blindness related >>> mailing lists than mailing lists frequented by the general public. >>> >>> That being said, I also don't blame anyone who is happy with what >>> they're using and isn't looking to change. "If it isn't broken, don't >>> fix it." I used to spend all of my time looking for a better media >>> player, but then I decided I'd rather spend my time listening to music >>> than playing around with the various accessibility foibles of the >>> different media players out there. >>> >>> On 15/04/11 03:48, Anders Holmberg wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> Yes i totally agree with you. >>>> Sometimes i think blind people are more afraid of security risks and >>>> taking risks at all with their computers. >>>> Personally i have tried several programs for windows on this machine >>>> with mixed results. >>>> Some programs work some don't. >>>> However foobar is the greatest player i've tried. >>>> /A >>>> >>>> Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-14 21:15: >>>>> By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think >>>>> it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs >>>>> and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that >>>>> foobar is one of the best media players out there. >>>>> I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since the only >>>>> thing W E won't read is the main list view everything else is >>>>> accessible already. >>>>> ,sigh. >>>>> bb >>>>> Brett Boyer >>>>> Audio Production and voice over >>>>> http://brettboyer.voices.com >>>>> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" >>>>> >>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:18 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> Its a shame its not working with we. >>>>>> I have had the same problems as you. >>>>>> Suggest that yo
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hi! Actually i can tell that i have used foobar2000 since 2004 but haven't really learned how to customize all the featurs yet. I can however do what i want with it. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-15 23:47: Hi Tom. Please don't think I was criticizing you personally. Obviously if you're happy with what you have than by all means... Foobar is a customizable and easy-to-use program. It's not however, for beginner since there have not been alot of podcast or scripts or whatever to make newby's comfortable. Again I wasn't criticizing anyone specifically. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Tom Kaufman" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hello Brett and list: I'm sure that Foobar is a fine program; all I really was meaning to say was: at this time, I don't know that I have a need for anything other than what I'm already using (Winamp) if I used a program to create playlists and such (from what you are saying) Foobar might be a better one than Winamp; it's something that (now that my curiosity has been somewhat aroused) I might look at it, just to see what it does! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "Brett Boyer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:07 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hey all. Tom I appreciate where you're coming from. However a few years ago I got fed up with winamp adding more stuff that I didn't need. It was becoming bulkier than I wanted and so I went snooping around for other alternatives. I will give you one main advantage foobar has over the competition. Multiple playlists. That's right something you thought you didn't need or at least I thought I didn't need until I realized how wonderful it was. With this tiny little player that is as customizable as you can get. I can now have my audio books, TV shows, music, and whatever all in the same window. I don't have to keep opening new playlists and reloading files. And one more great thing about Foobar, that I just rediscovered, is tagging. Since my music library is a total mess. (I do mean a total mess) I knew it was time to retag everything from album names to genre (don't get me started on genres) Foobar has a beautiful interface for tagging files and / or folders. Maybe I should do a podcast on it because I'm so thrilled how great it is. I've been looking for an idea for a podcast anyway. But suffice it to say I think a lot of people are scared to go outside the box and blind people more so than sighted folks. Let's face it, if I didn't go outside the box I never would have discovered programs like Foobar about 3 years ago. I understand the fear of trying something new especially when screen access software is picky and you never know what you're going to get. I recently read an article on a program called Songsmith. It's one of these program that can help you create music by making a few selections and just singing in to your microphone. I found it, downloaded, and couldn't do a thing with it. But at least I tried and I'm still checking it out with all of the screen readers I have. (btw no luck so far) Ok sorry for the long post I usually don't have this much to say, but James had such a great message I felt empowered!!! thanks bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Tom Kaufman" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Okay; Foobar, Foover. whatever; all I was attempting to ask is: what makes it a better "player (audio player, media player..whatever! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "James Scholes" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to some folks. I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of features and extra plug-ins
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Brett! Yes it would be great too hear a podcast on foobar. Actually i am using it myself all the time , but its always great to hear it discussed from anothers perspective. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-15 22:07: Hey all. Tom I appreciate where you're coming from. However a few years ago I got fed up with winamp adding more stuff that I didn't need. It was becoming bulkier than I wanted and so I went snooping around for other alternatives. I will give you one main advantage foobar has over the competition. Multiple playlists. That's right something you thought you didn't need or at least I thought I didn't need until I realized how wonderful it was. With this tiny little player that is as customizable as you can get. I can now have my audio books, TV shows, music, and whatever all in the same window. I don't have to keep opening new playlists and reloading files. And one more great thing about Foobar, that I just rediscovered, is tagging. Since my music library is a total mess. (I do mean a total mess) I knew it was time to retag everything from album names to genre (don't get me started on genres) Foobar has a beautiful interface for tagging files and / or folders. Maybe I should do a podcast on it because I'm so thrilled how great it is. I've been looking for an idea for a podcast anyway. But suffice it to say I think a lot of people are scared to go outside the box and blind people more so than sighted folks. Let's face it, if I didn't go outside the box I never would have discovered programs like Foobar about 3 years ago. I understand the fear of trying something new especially when screen access software is picky and you never know what you're going to get. I recently read an article on a program called Songsmith. It's one of these program that can help you create music by making a few selections and just singing in to your microphone. I found it, downloaded, and couldn't do a thing with it. But at least I tried and I'm still checking it out with all of the screen readers I have. (btw no luck so far) Ok sorry for the long post I usually don't have this much to say, but James had such a great message I felt empowered!!! thanks bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Tom Kaufman" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Okay; Foobar, Foover. whatever; all I was attempting to ask is: what makes it a better "player (audio player, media player..whatever! Tom Kaufman - Original Message ----- From: "James Scholes" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to some folks. I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't have to stand out and hit you in the face for you to notice it. If everybody took such a stilted view of development, whether it be technological, political, economical or otherwise, the world would go nowhere. If you do not wish to try other products, as you feel your current set-up is adequate for your needs, that is absolutely fine. I am not adverse to people sitting back and leaving others to test new software or make change. There are legitimate reasons, such as lack of interest, knowledge and/or skill that may make you incapable, or unwilling to locate, use and assess new software. But asking others what appeals to them about other products is pointless. If I were to tell you that Foobar has a very handy plug-in available for previewing sections of songs, and that it comes in very useful when broadcasting internet radio shows, would that apply to you? If I said that it uses less RAM than WinAmp, would you care? For all I know, your computer might be a powerhouse of a machine with an amount of memory that makes high RAM usage in
RE: foobar and window-eyes
Works extremely well with Jaws. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of kim kelly Sent: 16 April 2011 04:12 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes How does one get foobar? And will it work with Jaws or System Access. Kim Kelly Skype: richies12 Alternate Email Address: kim...@samobile.net Richard Brooks is also on Skype: his Skype name is: richie3355 Have a nice day. - Original Message - From: "Brett Boyer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes > Hey all. Tom I appreciate where you're coming from. However a few years > ago I got fed up with winamp adding more stuff that I didn't need. It was > becoming bulkier than I wanted and so I went snooping around for other > alternatives. I will give you one main advantage foobar has over the > competition. Multiple playlists. That's right something you thought you > didn't need or at least I thought I didn't need until I realized how > wonderful it was. With this tiny little player that is as customizable as > you can get. I can now have my audio books, TV shows, music, and whatever > all in the same window. I don't have to keep opening new playlists and > reloading files. > And one more great thing about Foobar, that I just rediscovered, is > tagging. Since my music library is a total mess. (I do mean a total mess) > I knew it was time to retag everything from album names to genre (don't > get me started on genres) Foobar has a beautiful interface for tagging > files and / or folders. > Maybe I should do a podcast on it because I'm so thrilled how great it is. > I've been looking for an idea for a podcast anyway. But suffice it to say > I think a lot of people are scared to go outside the box and blind people > more so than sighted folks. > Let's face it, if I didn't go outside the box I never would have > discovered programs like Foobar about 3 years ago. > I understand the fear of trying something new especially when screen > access software is picky and you never know what you're going to get. > I recently read an article on a program called Songsmith. It's one of > these program that can help you create music by making a few selections > and just singing in to your microphone. I found it, downloaded, and > couldn't do a thing with it. But at least I tried and I'm still checking > it out with all of the screen readers I have. (btw no luck so far) > Ok sorry for the long post I usually don't have this much to say, but > James had such a great message I felt empowered!!! > thanks > bb > > > Brett Boyer > Audio Production and voice over > http://brettboyer.voices.com > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Kaufman" > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes > > >> Okay; Foobar, Foover. whatever; all I was attempting to ask is: what >> makes it a better "player (audio player, media player..whatever! >> Tom Kaufman >> - Original Message - >> From: "James Scholes" >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:41 AM >> Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes >> >> >>> Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest >>> that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may >>> contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even >>> needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not >>> a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to >>> some folks. >>> >>> I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half >>> years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for >>> its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that >>> makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until >>> you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an >>> existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of >>> features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the >>> narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There >>> is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't have to >>> stand out and hit you in the face for you to notice it. If everybody >>> took suc
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Thanks. I will check that out when I can. Kim Kelly Skype: richies12 Alternate Email Address: kim...@samobile.net Richard Brooks is also on Skype: his Skype name is: richie3355 Have a nice day. - Original Message - From: "Brett Boyer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hi. The site is: www.foobar2000.org and yes it seems to work with both system access and JFW. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "kim kelly" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:12 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes How does one get foobar? And will it work with Jaws or System Access. Kim Kelly Skype: richies12 Alternate Email Address: kim...@samobile.net Richard Brooks is also on Skype: his Skype name is: richie3355 Have a nice day. - Original Message - From: "Brett Boyer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hey all. Tom I appreciate where you're coming from. However a few years ago I got fed up with winamp adding more stuff that I didn't need. It was becoming bulkier than I wanted and so I went snooping around for other alternatives. I will give you one main advantage foobar has over the competition. Multiple playlists. That's right something you thought you didn't need or at least I thought I didn't need until I realized how wonderful it was. With this tiny little player that is as customizable as you can get. I can now have my audio books, TV shows, music, and whatever all in the same window. I don't have to keep opening new playlists and reloading files. And one more great thing about Foobar, that I just rediscovered, is tagging. Since my music library is a total mess. (I do mean a total mess) I knew it was time to retag everything from album names to genre (don't get me started on genres) Foobar has a beautiful interface for tagging files and / or folders. Maybe I should do a podcast on it because I'm so thrilled how great it is. I've been looking for an idea for a podcast anyway. But suffice it to say I think a lot of people are scared to go outside the box and blind people more so than sighted folks. Let's face it, if I didn't go outside the box I never would have discovered programs like Foobar about 3 years ago. I understand the fear of trying something new especially when screen access software is picky and you never know what you're going to get. I recently read an article on a program called Songsmith. It's one of these program that can help you create music by making a few selections and just singing in to your microphone. I found it, downloaded, and couldn't do a thing with it. But at least I tried and I'm still checking it out with all of the screen readers I have. (btw no luck so far) Ok sorry for the long post I usually don't have this much to say, but James had such a great message I felt empowered!!! thanks bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com ----- Original Message - From: "Tom Kaufman" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Okay; Foobar, Foover. whatever; all I was attempting to ask is: what makes it a better "player (audio player, media player..whatever! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "James Scholes" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to some folks. I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't have to stand out and hit you in the face for you to notice it. If everybody took such a stilted view of development, whether it be technological
Re: foobar and window-eyes
Hi. The site is: www.foobar2000.org and yes it seems to work with both system access and JFW. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "kim kelly" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:12 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes How does one get foobar? And will it work with Jaws or System Access. Kim Kelly Skype: richies12 Alternate Email Address: kim...@samobile.net Richard Brooks is also on Skype: his Skype name is: richie3355 Have a nice day. - Original Message - From: "Brett Boyer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hey all. Tom I appreciate where you're coming from. However a few years ago I got fed up with winamp adding more stuff that I didn't need. It was becoming bulkier than I wanted and so I went snooping around for other alternatives. I will give you one main advantage foobar has over the competition. Multiple playlists. That's right something you thought you didn't need or at least I thought I didn't need until I realized how wonderful it was. With this tiny little player that is as customizable as you can get. I can now have my audio books, TV shows, music, and whatever all in the same window. I don't have to keep opening new playlists and reloading files. And one more great thing about Foobar, that I just rediscovered, is tagging. Since my music library is a total mess. (I do mean a total mess) I knew it was time to retag everything from album names to genre (don't get me started on genres) Foobar has a beautiful interface for tagging files and / or folders. Maybe I should do a podcast on it because I'm so thrilled how great it is. I've been looking for an idea for a podcast anyway. But suffice it to say I think a lot of people are scared to go outside the box and blind people more so than sighted folks. Let's face it, if I didn't go outside the box I never would have discovered programs like Foobar about 3 years ago. I understand the fear of trying something new especially when screen access software is picky and you never know what you're going to get. I recently read an article on a program called Songsmith. It's one of these program that can help you create music by making a few selections and just singing in to your microphone. I found it, downloaded, and couldn't do a thing with it. But at least I tried and I'm still checking it out with all of the screen readers I have. (btw no luck so far) Ok sorry for the long post I usually don't have this much to say, but James had such a great message I felt empowered!!! thanks bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message ----- From: "Tom Kaufman" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Okay; Foobar, Foover. whatever; all I was attempting to ask is: what makes it a better "player (audio player, media player..whatever! Tom Kaufman ----- Original Message - From: "James Scholes" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to some folks. I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't have to stand out and hit you in the face for you to notice it. If everybody took such a stilted view of development, whether it be technological, political, economical or otherwise, the world would go nowhere. If you do not wish to try other products, as you feel your current set-up is adequate for your needs, that is absolutely fine. I am not adverse to people sitting back and leaving others to test new software or make change. There are legitimate reasons, such as lack of interest, knowledge and/or skill that m
Re: foobar and window-eyes
How does one get foobar? And will it work with Jaws or System Access. Kim Kelly Skype: richies12 Alternate Email Address: kim...@samobile.net Richard Brooks is also on Skype: his Skype name is: richie3355 Have a nice day. - Original Message - From: "Brett Boyer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hey all. Tom I appreciate where you're coming from. However a few years ago I got fed up with winamp adding more stuff that I didn't need. It was becoming bulkier than I wanted and so I went snooping around for other alternatives. I will give you one main advantage foobar has over the competition. Multiple playlists. That's right something you thought you didn't need or at least I thought I didn't need until I realized how wonderful it was. With this tiny little player that is as customizable as you can get. I can now have my audio books, TV shows, music, and whatever all in the same window. I don't have to keep opening new playlists and reloading files. And one more great thing about Foobar, that I just rediscovered, is tagging. Since my music library is a total mess. (I do mean a total mess) I knew it was time to retag everything from album names to genre (don't get me started on genres) Foobar has a beautiful interface for tagging files and / or folders. Maybe I should do a podcast on it because I'm so thrilled how great it is. I've been looking for an idea for a podcast anyway. But suffice it to say I think a lot of people are scared to go outside the box and blind people more so than sighted folks. Let's face it, if I didn't go outside the box I never would have discovered programs like Foobar about 3 years ago. I understand the fear of trying something new especially when screen access software is picky and you never know what you're going to get. I recently read an article on a program called Songsmith. It's one of these program that can help you create music by making a few selections and just singing in to your microphone. I found it, downloaded, and couldn't do a thing with it. But at least I tried and I'm still checking it out with all of the screen readers I have. (btw no luck so far) Ok sorry for the long post I usually don't have this much to say, but James had such a great message I felt empowered!!! thanks bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Tom Kaufman" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Okay; Foobar, Foover. whatever; all I was attempting to ask is: what makes it a better "player (audio player, media player..whatever! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "James Scholes" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to some folks. I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't have to stand out and hit you in the face for you to notice it. If everybody took such a stilted view of development, whether it be technological, political, economical or otherwise, the world would go nowhere. If you do not wish to try other products, as you feel your current set-up is adequate for your needs, that is absolutely fine. I am not adverse to people sitting back and leaving others to test new software or make change. There are legitimate reasons, such as lack of interest, knowledge and/or skill that may make you incapable, or unwilling to locate, use and assess new software. But asking others what appeals to them about other products is pointless. If I were to tell you that Foobar has a very handy plug-in available for previewing sections of songs, and that it comes in very useful when broadcasting internet radio shows, would that app
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Hi Tom. Please don't think I was criticizing you personally. Obviously if you're happy with what you have than by all means... Foobar is a customizable and easy-to-use program. It's not however, for beginner since there have not been alot of podcast or scripts or whatever to make newby's comfortable. Again I wasn't criticizing anyone specifically. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Tom Kaufman" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hello Brett and list: I'm sure that Foobar is a fine program; all I really was meaning to say was: at this time, I don't know that I have a need for anything other than what I'm already using (Winamp) if I used a program to create playlists and such (from what you are saying) Foobar might be a better one than Winamp; it's something that (now that my curiosity has been somewhat aroused) I might look at it, just to see what it does! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "Brett Boyer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:07 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hey all. Tom I appreciate where you're coming from. However a few years ago I got fed up with winamp adding more stuff that I didn't need. It was becoming bulkier than I wanted and so I went snooping around for other alternatives. I will give you one main advantage foobar has over the competition. Multiple playlists. That's right something you thought you didn't need or at least I thought I didn't need until I realized how wonderful it was. With this tiny little player that is as customizable as you can get. I can now have my audio books, TV shows, music, and whatever all in the same window. I don't have to keep opening new playlists and reloading files. And one more great thing about Foobar, that I just rediscovered, is tagging. Since my music library is a total mess. (I do mean a total mess) I knew it was time to retag everything from album names to genre (don't get me started on genres) Foobar has a beautiful interface for tagging files and / or folders. Maybe I should do a podcast on it because I'm so thrilled how great it is. I've been looking for an idea for a podcast anyway. But suffice it to say I think a lot of people are scared to go outside the box and blind people more so than sighted folks. Let's face it, if I didn't go outside the box I never would have discovered programs like Foobar about 3 years ago. I understand the fear of trying something new especially when screen access software is picky and you never know what you're going to get. I recently read an article on a program called Songsmith. It's one of these program that can help you create music by making a few selections and just singing in to your microphone. I found it, downloaded, and couldn't do a thing with it. But at least I tried and I'm still checking it out with all of the screen readers I have. (btw no luck so far) Ok sorry for the long post I usually don't have this much to say, but James had such a great message I felt empowered!!! thanks bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Tom Kaufman" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Okay; Foobar, Foover. whatever; all I was attempting to ask is: what makes it a better "player (audio player, media player..whatever! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "James Scholes" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to some folks. I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't
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Hello Brett and list: I'm sure that Foobar is a fine program; all I really was meaning to say was: at this time, I don't know that I have a need for anything other than what I'm already using (Winamp) if I used a program to create playlists and such (from what you are saying) Foobar might be a better one than Winamp; it's something that (now that my curiosity has been somewhat aroused) I might look at it, just to see what it does! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "Brett Boyer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:07 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hey all. Tom I appreciate where you're coming from. However a few years ago I got fed up with winamp adding more stuff that I didn't need. It was becoming bulkier than I wanted and so I went snooping around for other alternatives. I will give you one main advantage foobar has over the competition. Multiple playlists. That's right something you thought you didn't need or at least I thought I didn't need until I realized how wonderful it was. With this tiny little player that is as customizable as you can get. I can now have my audio books, TV shows, music, and whatever all in the same window. I don't have to keep opening new playlists and reloading files. And one more great thing about Foobar, that I just rediscovered, is tagging. Since my music library is a total mess. (I do mean a total mess) I knew it was time to retag everything from album names to genre (don't get me started on genres) Foobar has a beautiful interface for tagging files and / or folders. Maybe I should do a podcast on it because I'm so thrilled how great it is. I've been looking for an idea for a podcast anyway. But suffice it to say I think a lot of people are scared to go outside the box and blind people more so than sighted folks. Let's face it, if I didn't go outside the box I never would have discovered programs like Foobar about 3 years ago. I understand the fear of trying something new especially when screen access software is picky and you never know what you're going to get. I recently read an article on a program called Songsmith. It's one of these program that can help you create music by making a few selections and just singing in to your microphone. I found it, downloaded, and couldn't do a thing with it. But at least I tried and I'm still checking it out with all of the screen readers I have. (btw no luck so far) Ok sorry for the long post I usually don't have this much to say, but James had such a great message I felt empowered!!! thanks bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message ----- From: "Tom Kaufman" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Okay; Foobar, Foover. whatever; all I was attempting to ask is: what makes it a better "player (audio player, media player..whatever! Tom Kaufman ----- Original Message - From: "James Scholes" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to some folks. I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't have to stand out and hit you in the face for you to notice it. If everybody took such a stilted view of development, whether it be technological, political, economical or otherwise, the world would go nowhere. If you do not wish to try other products, as you feel your current set-up is adequate for your needs, that is absolutely fine. I am not adverse to people sitting back and leaving others to test new software or make change. There are legitimate reasons, such as lack of interest, knowledge and/or skill that may make you incapable, or unwilling to locate, use and assess new software. But asking others what app
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Hey all. Tom I appreciate where you're coming from. However a few years ago I got fed up with winamp adding more stuff that I didn't need. It was becoming bulkier than I wanted and so I went snooping around for other alternatives. I will give you one main advantage foobar has over the competition. Multiple playlists. That's right something you thought you didn't need or at least I thought I didn't need until I realized how wonderful it was. With this tiny little player that is as customizable as you can get. I can now have my audio books, TV shows, music, and whatever all in the same window. I don't have to keep opening new playlists and reloading files. And one more great thing about Foobar, that I just rediscovered, is tagging. Since my music library is a total mess. (I do mean a total mess) I knew it was time to retag everything from album names to genre (don't get me started on genres) Foobar has a beautiful interface for tagging files and / or folders. Maybe I should do a podcast on it because I'm so thrilled how great it is. I've been looking for an idea for a podcast anyway. But suffice it to say I think a lot of people are scared to go outside the box and blind people more so than sighted folks. Let's face it, if I didn't go outside the box I never would have discovered programs like Foobar about 3 years ago. I understand the fear of trying something new especially when screen access software is picky and you never know what you're going to get. I recently read an article on a program called Songsmith. It's one of these program that can help you create music by making a few selections and just singing in to your microphone. I found it, downloaded, and couldn't do a thing with it. But at least I tried and I'm still checking it out with all of the screen readers I have. (btw no luck so far) Ok sorry for the long post I usually don't have this much to say, but James had such a great message I felt empowered!!! thanks bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Tom Kaufman" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Okay; Foobar, Foover. whatever; all I was attempting to ask is: what makes it a better "player (audio player, media player..whatever! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "James Scholes" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to some folks. I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't have to stand out and hit you in the face for you to notice it. If everybody took such a stilted view of development, whether it be technological, political, economical or otherwise, the world would go nowhere. If you do not wish to try other products, as you feel your current set-up is adequate for your needs, that is absolutely fine. I am not adverse to people sitting back and leaving others to test new software or make change. There are legitimate reasons, such as lack of interest, knowledge and/or skill that may make you incapable, or unwilling to locate, use and assess new software. But asking others what appeals to them about other products is pointless. If I were to tell you that Foobar has a very handy plug-in available for previewing sections of songs, and that it comes in very useful when broadcasting internet radio shows, would that apply to you? If I said that it uses less RAM than WinAmp, would you care? For all I know, your computer might be a powerhouse of a machine with an amount of memory that makes high RAM usage insignificant. I should also note that Foobar is extremely popular, and that popularity is increasing constantly. This somewhat removes the notion that you either look for new software or you don't; you can
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Hi, Speaking of Foobar, I would be curious to hear from users which particular shortcut key combinations you've assigned for the main program functions. I'm about to embark on setting up a few short cut keys, and would be interested to have some ideas of what has been found to work well. Thanks, Tim. Bangor, N. Ireland. Skype: tim-crawford - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:56 PM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hi! Foobar is smaller and faster. However the accessibility issue isn't a problem for me as i use nvda most of the time. But as jaws and hal works with foobar its very strange that window eyes doesn't work. Foobar works for me most of the time. However i have other players here if i need too. /A Tom Kaufman skrev 2011-04-15 16:54: Christopher and list: Amen! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I've never tried Foover (I've no doubt that it's probably a good player) but I so far have had good luck with Winamp, so why would I want to change? What does Foover do that Winamp doesn't? I guess what I'm saying is: if I felt the need to go with a different player, I'd probably give this "Foover a try. But currently, Winamp seems to work okay for me! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Well, I totally disagree with this statement. Maybe I hang around with particularly cautious sighted people or particularly adventurous blind people, but I don't find blind computer users any more reluctant to try new applications than sighted people. IMHO, this is a dangerous stereotype, maybe caused by spending more time on blindness related mailing lists than mailing lists frequented by the general public. That being said, I also don't blame anyone who is happy with what they're using and isn't looking to change. "If it isn't broken, don't fix it." I used to spend all of my time looking for a better media player, but then I decided I'd rather spend my time listening to music than playing around with the various accessibility foibles of the different media players out there. On 15/04/11 03:48, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Yes i totally agree with you. Sometimes i think blind people are more afraid of security risks and taking risks at all with their computers. Personally i have tried several programs for windows on this machine with mixed results. Some programs work some don't. However foobar is the greatest player i've tried. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-14 21:15: By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that foobar is one of the best media players out there. I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since the only thing W E won't read is the main list view everything else is accessible already. ,sigh. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hi! Its a shame its not working with we. I have had the same problems as you. Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. Hal and nvda also works great with it. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange reason it is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this wonderful audio program work with WE? Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works with windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main playlist listview. Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can do to make this happen? TIA bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Hi! Foobar is smaller and faster. However the accessibility issue isn't a problem for me as i use nvda most of the time. But as jaws and hal works with foobar its very strange that window eyes doesn't work. Foobar works for me most of the time. However i have other players here if i need too. /A Tom Kaufman skrev 2011-04-15 16:54: Christopher and list: Amen! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I've never tried Foover (I've no doubt that it's probably a good player) but I so far have had good luck with Winamp, so why would I want to change? What does Foover do that Winamp doesn't? I guess what I'm saying is: if I felt the need to go with a different player, I'd probably give this "Foover a try. But currently, Winamp seems to work okay for me! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Well, I totally disagree with this statement. Maybe I hang around with particularly cautious sighted people or particularly adventurous blind people, but I don't find blind computer users any more reluctant to try new applications than sighted people. IMHO, this is a dangerous stereotype, maybe caused by spending more time on blindness related mailing lists than mailing lists frequented by the general public. That being said, I also don't blame anyone who is happy with what they're using and isn't looking to change. "If it isn't broken, don't fix it." I used to spend all of my time looking for a better media player, but then I decided I'd rather spend my time listening to music than playing around with the various accessibility foibles of the different media players out there. On 15/04/11 03:48, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Yes i totally agree with you. Sometimes i think blind people are more afraid of security risks and taking risks at all with their computers. Personally i have tried several programs for windows on this machine with mixed results. Some programs work some don't. However foobar is the greatest player i've tried. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-14 21:15: By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that foobar is one of the best media players out there. I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since the only thing W E won't read is the main list view everything else is accessible already. ,sigh. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hi! Its a shame its not working with we. I have had the same problems as you. Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. Hal and nvda also works great with it. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange reason it is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this wonderful audio program work with WE? Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works with windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main playlist listview. Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can do to make this happen? TIA bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Okay; Foobar, Foover. whatever; all I was attempting to ask is: what makes it a better "player (audio player, media player..whatever! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "James Scholes" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to some folks. I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't have to stand out and hit you in the face for you to notice it. If everybody took such a stilted view of development, whether it be technological, political, economical or otherwise, the world would go nowhere. If you do not wish to try other products, as you feel your current set-up is adequate for your needs, that is absolutely fine. I am not adverse to people sitting back and leaving others to test new software or make change. There are legitimate reasons, such as lack of interest, knowledge and/or skill that may make you incapable, or unwilling to locate, use and assess new software. But asking others what appeals to them about other products is pointless. If I were to tell you that Foobar has a very handy plug-in available for previewing sections of songs, and that it comes in very useful when broadcasting internet radio shows, would that apply to you? If I said that it uses less RAM than WinAmp, would you care? For all I know, your computer might be a powerhouse of a machine with an amount of memory that makes high RAM usage insignificant. I should also note that Foobar is extremely popular, and that popularity is increasing constantly. This somewhat removes the notion that you either look for new software or you don't; you can be alerted to the existence of a new software application simply by reading status updates on a social networking website, someone's e-mail signature, an article on a blog related to a topic you were actually investigating, etc. I didn't find Foobar through research into new media players; I found it through a software recommendation. Previously, Tom Kaufman said: Christopher and list: Amen! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I've never tried Foover (I've no doubt that it's probably a good player) but I so far have had good luck with Winamp, so why would I want to change? What does Foover do that Winamp doesn't? I guess what I'm saying is: if I felt the need to go with a different player, I'd probably give this "Foover a try. But currently, Winamp seems to work okay for me! Tom Kaufman - Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Well, I totally disagree with this statement. Maybe I hang around with particularly cautious sighted people or particularly adventurous blind people, but I don't find blind computer users any more reluctant to try new applications than sighted people. IMHO, this is a dangerous stereotype, maybe caused by spending more time on blindness related mailing lists than mailing lists frequented by the general public. That being said, I also don't blame anyone who is happy with what they're using and isn't looking to change. "If it isn't broken, don't fix it." I used to spend all of my time looking for a better media player, but then I decided I'd rather spend my time listening to music than playing around with the various accessibility foibles of the different media players out there. On 15/04/11 03:48, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Yes i totally agree with you. Sometimes i think blind people are more afraid of security risks and taking risks at all with their computers. Personally i have tried several programs for windows on this machine with mixed results. Some programs work some don't. However foobar is the greatest player i've tried. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-14 21:15: By now you woul
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Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to some folks. I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't have to stand out and hit you in the face for you to notice it. If everybody took such a stilted view of development, whether it be technological, political, economical or otherwise, the world would go nowhere. If you do not wish to try other products, as you feel your current set-up is adequate for your needs, that is absolutely fine. I am not adverse to people sitting back and leaving others to test new software or make change. There are legitimate reasons, such as lack of interest, knowledge and/or skill that may make you incapable, or unwilling to locate, use and assess new software. But asking others what appeals to them about other products is pointless. If I were to tell you that Foobar has a very handy plug-in available for previewing sections of songs, and that it comes in very useful when broadcasting internet radio shows, would that apply to you? If I said that it uses less RAM than WinAmp, would you care? For all I know, your computer might be a powerhouse of a machine with an amount of memory that makes high RAM usage insignificant. I should also note that Foobar is extremely popular, and that popularity is increasing constantly. This somewhat removes the notion that you either look for new software or you don't; you can be alerted to the existence of a new software application simply by reading status updates on a social networking website, someone's e-mail signature, an article on a blog related to a topic you were actually investigating, etc. I didn't find Foobar through research into new media players; I found it through a software recommendation. Previously, Tom Kaufman said: Christopher and list: Amen! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I've never tried Foover (I've no doubt that it's probably a good player) but I so far have had good luck with Winamp, so why would I want to change? What does Foover do that Winamp doesn't? I guess what I'm saying is: if I felt the need to go with a different player, I'd probably give this "Foover a try. But currently, Winamp seems to work okay for me! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Well, I totally disagree with this statement. Maybe I hang around with particularly cautious sighted people or particularly adventurous blind people, but I don't find blind computer users any more reluctant to try new applications than sighted people. IMHO, this is a dangerous stereotype, maybe caused by spending more time on blindness related mailing lists than mailing lists frequented by the general public. That being said, I also don't blame anyone who is happy with what they're using and isn't looking to change. "If it isn't broken, don't fix it." I used to spend all of my time looking for a better media player, but then I decided I'd rather spend my time listening to music than playing around with the various accessibility foibles of the different media players out there. On 15/04/11 03:48, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Yes i totally agree with you. Sometimes i think blind people are more afraid of security risks and taking risks at all with their computers. Personally i have tried several programs for windows on this machine with mixed results. Some programs work some don't. However foobar is the greatest player i've tried. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-14 21:15: By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that foobar is one of the best media players out there. I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since t
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Christopher and list: Amen! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I've never tried Foover (I've no doubt that it's probably a good player) but I so far have had good luck with Winamp, so why would I want to change? What does Foover do that Winamp doesn't? I guess what I'm saying is: if I felt the need to go with a different player, I'd probably give this "Foover a try. But currently, Winamp seems to work okay for me! Tom Kaufman - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Well, I totally disagree with this statement. Maybe I hang around with particularly cautious sighted people or particularly adventurous blind people, but I don't find blind computer users any more reluctant to try new applications than sighted people. IMHO, this is a dangerous stereotype, maybe caused by spending more time on blindness related mailing lists than mailing lists frequented by the general public. That being said, I also don't blame anyone who is happy with what they're using and isn't looking to change. "If it isn't broken, don't fix it." I used to spend all of my time looking for a better media player, but then I decided I'd rather spend my time listening to music than playing around with the various accessibility foibles of the different media players out there. On 15/04/11 03:48, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Yes i totally agree with you. Sometimes i think blind people are more afraid of security risks and taking risks at all with their computers. Personally i have tried several programs for windows on this machine with mixed results. Some programs work some don't. However foobar is the greatest player i've tried. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-14 21:15: By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that foobar is one of the best media players out there. I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since the only thing W E won't read is the main list view everything else is accessible already. ,sigh. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com ----- Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hi! Its a shame its not working with we. I have had the same problems as you. Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. Hal and nvda also works great with it. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange reason it is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this wonderful audio program work with WE? Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works with windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main playlist listview. Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can do to make this happen? TIA bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Well, I totally disagree with this statement. Maybe I hang around with particularly cautious sighted people or particularly adventurous blind people, but I don't find blind computer users any more reluctant to try new applications than sighted people. IMHO, this is a dangerous stereotype, maybe caused by spending more time on blindness related mailing lists than mailing lists frequented by the general public. That being said, I also don't blame anyone who is happy with what they're using and isn't looking to change. "If it isn't broken, don't fix it." I used to spend all of my time looking for a better media player, but then I decided I'd rather spend my time listening to music than playing around with the various accessibility foibles of the different media players out there. On 15/04/11 03:48, Anders Holmberg wrote: > Hi! > Yes i totally agree with you. > Sometimes i think blind people are more afraid of security risks and > taking risks at all with their computers. > Personally i have tried several programs for windows on this machine > with mixed results. > Some programs work some don't. > However foobar is the greatest player i've tried. > /A > > Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-14 21:15: >> By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think >> it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs >> and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that >> foobar is one of the best media players out there. >> I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since the only >> thing W E won't read is the main list view everything else is >> accessible already. >> ,sigh. >> bb >> Brett Boyer >> Audio Production and voice over >> http://brettboyer.voices.com >> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" >> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:18 AM >> Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes >> >> >>> Hi! >>> Its a shame its not working with we. >>> I have had the same problems as you. >>> Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. >>> Hal and nvda also works great with it. >>> /A >>> >>> Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: >>>> Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange >>>> reason it is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this >>>> wonderful audio program work with WE? >>>> Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works >>>> with windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main >>>> playlist listview. Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can >>>> do to make this happen? >>>> TIA >>>> bb >>>> Brett Boyer >>>> Audio Production and voice over >>>> http://brettboyer.voices.com >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >>>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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hi! But i had vlc and windows media player. and sometimes i use itunes and earlier i had use winamp and realplayer but realplayer i dont like it but winamp is ok but axesibel podcaster windows media player and vlc its better for me. now. but in itunes you can use for podcasts to . but i dont have use foobar . my qwestion is can i use this with jaws? /Bardia - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:48 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hi! Yes i totally agree with you. Sometimes i think blind people are more afraid of security risks and taking risks at all with their computers. Personally i have tried several programs for windows on this machine with mixed results. Some programs work some don't. However foobar is the greatest player i've tried. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-14 21:15: By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that foobar is one of the best media players out there. I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since the only thing W E won't read is the main list view everything else is accessible already. ,sigh. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hi! Its a shame its not working with we. I have had the same problems as you. Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. Hal and nvda also works great with it. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange reason it is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this wonderful audio program work with WE? Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works with windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main playlist listview. Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can do to make this happen? TIA bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Hi! Yes i totally agree with you. Sometimes i think blind people are more afraid of security risks and taking risks at all with their computers. Personally i have tried several programs for windows on this machine with mixed results. Some programs work some don't. However foobar is the greatest player i've tried. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-14 21:15: By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that foobar is one of the best media players out there. I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since the only thing W E won't read is the main list view everything else is accessible already. ,sigh. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hi! Its a shame its not working with we. I have had the same problems as you. Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. Hal and nvda also works great with it. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange reason it is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this wonderful audio program work with WE? Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works with windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main playlist listview. Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can do to make this happen? TIA bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I'm gathering you've tried to reclass this main listview? -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brett Boyer Sent: Friday, 15 April 2011 5:16 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that foobar is one of the best media players out there. I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since the only thing W E won't read is the main list view everything else is accessible already. ,sigh. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes > Hi! > Its a shame its not working with we. > I have had the same problems as you. > Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. > Hal and nvda also works great with it. > /A > > Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: >> Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange reason >> it is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this wonderful >> audio program work with WE? >> Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works with >> windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main playlist >> listview. Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can do to make this >> happen? >> TIA >> bb >> Brett Boyer >> Audio Production and voice over >> http://brettboyer.voices.com >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that foobar is one of the best media players out there. I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since the only thing W E won't read is the main list view everything else is accessible already. ,sigh. bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes Hi! Its a shame its not working with we. I have had the same problems as you. Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. Hal and nvda also works great with it. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange reason it is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this wonderful audio program work with WE? Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works with windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main playlist listview. Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can do to make this happen? TIA bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Ok -- originalmedd. -- Ämne: Re: foobar and window-eyes Från: Anders Holmberg Datum: 2011.04.14 17.20 Hi! Its a shame its not working with we. I have had the same problems as you. Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. Hal and nvda also works great with it. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: > Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange reason it > is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this wonderful audio > program work with WE? > Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works with > windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main playlist listview. > Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can do to make this happen? > TIA > bb > Brett Boyer > Audio Production and voice over > http://brettboyer.voices.com > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Hi! Its a shame its not working with we. I have had the same problems as you. Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. Hal and nvda also works great with it. /A Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange reason it is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this wonderful audio program work with WE? Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works with windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main playlist listview. Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can do to make this happen? TIA bb Brett Boyer Audio Production and voice over http://brettboyer.voices.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
