[PD] [PD-announce] L2Ork pd-extended release candidate 4 now available (was: Re: call for testers...)

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

Changes include:

*synced with the latest pd-extended 0.42.x branch build scripts
(installs in /usr/lib/pd-extended and produces pdextended binary)
*fixed stray bugs with iemgui objects
*realigned some of the iemgui objects in the autopatch mode
*other minor bugs'n'fixes

Barring any unexpected developments this will be the last release
candidate.

http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56

As usual, feedback/bug-reports are most appreciated.

Best wishes,

Ico


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Undervine, data viz + sonification at SFMOMA

[ALAN BROOKER]

ok, are you two friends now then? ;)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:18 AM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:

> ok, it's proved now you're my old nationalist friend
>
> 'new world'? with imported old mentality within..
>
> it's just too funny you post this here now..
>
> apart from that,
> i don't care of your commercials...
>
> ciao,
> sevy
>
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> Working again with Bobby Pietrusko and Stewart Smith, I created
>> sonification for visualization of data about the global wine industry. It
>> opened recently at SFMOMA in San Francisco. You can see a little snippet
>> here:
>>
>> http://at.or.at/hans/undervine/
>>
>> And here's a chunk from a scene that didn't make the final cut be we like
>> anyway:
>> http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2010/11/21/highlighting-data-with-sound/
>>
>> "Wine is a potent force in contemporary life, perhaps the only comestible
>> to produce its own visual culture. How Wine Became Modern, the first
>> exhibition of its kind, looks at the world of wine and the role that
>> architecture, design, and media have played in its stunning transformation
>> over the past three decades. Developed in collaboration with the New York
>> architecture studio Diller Scofidio + Renfro, the exhibition features
>> historical artifacts, architectural models, multimedia installations, newly
>> commissioned artworks, and even a "smell wall" to provide a richly textured
>> experience in the galleries. Come discover how important cultural
>> preoccupations of our day, such as the meaning of "place" and "authenticity"
>> in our increasingly global and virtual world, play out at this uniquely
>> fertile intersection of nature and culture. At once a nuanced investigation
>> and a vivid sensory and aesthetic experience, this exhibition presents wine
>> as you've never seen it before."
>>
>> November 20, 2010 - April 17, 2011
>> http://www.sfmoma.org/exhibitions/406
>>
>> http://www.sfmoma.org/press/releases/exhibitions/829
>>
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Re: [PD] Wiki recent changes portlet

[Jamie Bullock]

On 2 Dec 2010, at 17:47, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:

> 
> Yeah, that's nice.  Do you happen to know the name of the Plone Product?  
> There are currently RSS feeds, but I don't know if you can get an RSS feed 
> for the whole site.  That would also be nice.
> 

If I read this right, then the Recent Changes portlet is a core part of plone, 
but installing SimplePortlet makes it easier to set up:


http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/plone-book/manageportlets/index_html


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> On Dec 2, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Jamie Bullock wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Would it be possible to show a recent changes portlet on the front page of 
>> the wiki? Personally I'd find this incredibly useful to see quickly what the 
>> latest changes are. "What's hot?" For example, recently some work has been 
>> done adding "GUI Plugins" pages, and it would be great to know this from the 
>> front page instead of having to search the site.
>> 
>> For an example of what I mean see: http://www.jager.no/
>> 
>> Jamie
>>  
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Re: [PD] crashes when using multiple outputs

[Derek Holzer]

Make sure the number of input and output channel match in the 
preferences. Pd doesn't seem to like mismatched numbers there.


D.

On 12/3/10 7:13 AM, Ben Carney wrote:

Hello all,

this message comes from a friend and collaborator. I would lend a hand
to him in person, but he is on the other side of the Atlantic ocean.

[ I recently acquired an 8 channels Echo audio fire pre8 audio interface,
and I'm using it with Pure Data. However Pure Data, though it recognizes
the interface, does not let me specify more than 2 channels, when I type
8, PD freezes. Any suggestions? Or perhaps you've encountered similar
issues and were able to resolve them? ]

I believe he is running a pretty standard install of windows XP.



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Undervine, data viz + sonification at SFMOMA

[Marco Donnarumma]

Good work!
re.posted here:

http://www.thesaddj.com/undervine-data-visualization-pure-data-sonification-at-sfmoma-san-francisco/

M




On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> Working again with Bobby Pietrusko and Stewart Smith, I created
> sonification for visualization of data about the global wine industry.  It
> opened recently at SFMOMA in San Francisco.  You can see a little snippet
> here:
>
> http://at.or.at/hans/undervine/
>
> And here's a chunk from a scene that didn't make the final cut be we like
> anyway:
> http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2010/11/21/highlighting-data-with-sound/
>
> "Wine is a potent force in contemporary life, perhaps the only comestible
> to produce its own visual culture. How Wine Became Modern, the first
> exhibition of its kind, looks at the world of wine and the role that
> architecture, design, and media have played in its stunning transformation
> over the past three decades. Developed in collaboration with the New York
> architecture studio Diller Scofidio + Renfro, the exhibition features
> historical artifacts, architectural models, multimedia installations, newly
> commissioned artworks, and even a "smell wall" to provide a richly textured
> experience in the galleries. Come discover how important cultural
> preoccupations of our day, such as the meaning of "place" and "authenticity"
> in our increasingly global and virtual world, play out at this uniquely
> fertile intersection of nature and culture. At once a nuanced investigation
> and a vivid sensory and aesthetic experience, this exhibition presents wine
> as you've never seen it before."
>
> November 20, 2010 - April 17, 2011
> http://www.sfmoma.org/exhibitions/406
>
> http://www.sfmoma.org/press/releases/exhibitions/829
>
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Re: [PD] buttonbar GUI plugin

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Chris McCormick wrote:

Whoa, this is way cool! Do these plugins work in Vanilla Pd 0.43? How do 
I install it?


After I developed Pd's original buttonbar, I realised that it's not 
particularly useful. Keyboard shortcuts are a lot more useful. The 
buttonbar is bit more comfortable if it supports drag-n-drop. This is 
something I haven't implemented, and Hans hasn't implemented either.


However, Hans implemented auto-hide. (Instead, I had an editmode toggle in 
the bar)


I wonder what the auto-hide thing means in terms of how big patch windows 
are when they open.


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Re: [PD] New user - technical questions

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

Parallelization is built into Pd, just put down objects, and they will 
run in parallel.


There's one thread for all those objects together !

There are a few exceptions to that, which have to be explicitly 
implemented. For instance, [pix_video] uses threads, whereas GridFlow's 
equivalents don't.


The  API is not thread-safe, therefore you have to use a global 
mutex around anything you do with ... even gensym().


 Granted, Pd doesn't use threads to implement the parallelization because 
it aims to be completely deterministic (basically, that means a patch 
run exactly the same everytime).  Its difficult to write a deterministic 
program using standard threads.


No-one uses the word «parallel» to mean *that*.

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Re: [PD] Wiki recent changes portlet

[IOhannes zmölnig]

On 12/03/2010 11:53 AM, Jamie Bullock wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2 Dec 2010, at 17:47, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:
> 
>>
>> Yeah, that's nice.  Do you happen to know the name of the Plone Product?  
>> There are currently RSS feeds, but I don't know if you can get an RSS feed 
>> for the whole site.  That would also be nice.
>>
> 
> If I read this right, then the Recent Changes portlet is a core part of 
> plone, but installing SimplePortlet makes it easier to set up:
> 
> 
> http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/plone-book/manageportlets/index_html
> 
> 

well, as a matter of fact, i think all plone instances come with a
"recent changes" portlet per default.

it's just a matter of enabling it (which i did now)

fmgatr
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Re: [PD] New user - technical questions

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Pedro Lopes wrote:

During that I realized I could implement it in parallel via OpenMP, 
but tried to compile the code with some openMP directives and it did not 
work for the pd_external, it seemed that PD could not handle it 
somehow[2]. So what I wanted was "an object" to be parallel by itself. 
Not a series of different objects. Does anyone ever made an external 
that itself uses openMP?


I suppose it means that the code that uses openMP must not use Pd, and the 
code that uses Pd must not use openMP. Between the two, you need to 
channel multithreaded communications into singlethreaded communications so 
that they can fit with Pd. If you can't use (or don't want to use) Pd's 
sys_lock() for whatever reason, you will need some kind of intermediate 
buffer so that your Pd objects can pick up the data coming from openMP.


I don't know any openMP though.

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[PD] pix_film crash with .avi files

[F. Medeiros]

Hello,

pix_film crashes pdextended every time I try to open an .avi file , I
think with whichever coded.

It works on .mpeg files tho.

When it crashes I get this:

swScaler: Exactly one scaler algorithm must be chosen
Segmentation fault

This is on Ubuntu Lucid and maverick with Pd version 0.42.5-extended-rc6
I got the deb from the Nightly Auto-Builds.

I am sure this was working before but I don't know what I did, if it was
with a different version of pd or some coded I installed.

Can someone help please? 

Thanks in advance.




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[PD] import-disabled list-abs

[Luka Princic // Nova deViator]

hi,

i'm working on an abstraction that contains an object from a library
for which i need to create [import nusmuk] in order to use
([granulator]). when i create a new instance of that abstraction, pd
console reports

import-disabled list-abs
... couldn't create


could someone explain what this error means?
is it deprecated to use [import] and i should rather use syntax like
[nusmuk/granulator] ?


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Re: [PD] The Game of Life

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Andrew Faraday wrote:


* Does anyone know if it's been done in puredata before? Can I get hold of it?


I made gridflow/examples/game_of_life.pd in 2001 (well, actually ported to 
Pd in 2002-2003, but it was precisely the same code).


Since then, I improved it somewhat, and it became this crazy thing that 
computes three wraparound 640x480 boards at a time at 60 fps on my old 
Pentium-M. That's 55 million computed cells per second.


You can easily readapt it to a single board at whatever resolution you 
want, and display it the way you want (convert to pix, pdp, lists, etc).



* Is it well documented enough?


What do you need to be documented about it ?

* Does it work on different operating systems (was made on ubuntu 
(netbook remix) so some of it may not transfer)?


Has been seen working on many Linuxes, OSX, Windows. (though conversion 
from grid to gem still doesn't work on Windows : you have to convert to 
list first instead)



* How might you improve on this?


No idea, I put all the tricks I could to make this version fast, without 
writing any dedicated C++ code.


I may, in the longer run, be planning to use this for a generative music 
patch. Don't know if that means anything to you.


How will you turn a [time,rows,columns] animation into a [time,frequency] 
series of spectra, or a [time] signal ?


What I write within [] are dimensions of the data. A game of life 
animation has at least 3 dimensions (though in my patch I use 4 
dimensions, but that's not relevant).


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Re: [PD] The Game of Life

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Chris McCormick wrote:

Using that you can build CA fields of arbitrary size. There is a small 
bug where cells shift one unit when crossing some boundaries - I think 
the top and bottom of the field but I can't remember - but it doesn't 
have too disruptive an effect and the whole structure still functions 
ok.


Usually it's between the right and left borders, that there is a shift by 
one cell. That happens if you number the cells with a single number in the 
usual way : one row gets all the lowest numbers, then the next row gets 
all the next ones, etc, like this :


 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7
 8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31

And if you consider that to the right of cell n there is cell n+1, then 16 
is to the right of 15.


If you do this with [#store] or [#convolve] using a grid of size (4 8), 
then cell 8 is to the right of cell 15, because they're really numbered 
like (1 0) and (1 7), that is, using two-element lists.



I made some music with my implementation which you can hear here:



Ah, btw, I made music using the Pascal triangle, which is a finite state 
automaton of some kind whenever you use modulo on it. I did it mod 32.


http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial_version_trois.mp3
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/gamelan_binomial.png

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Re: [PD] New user - technical questions

[Pedro Lopes]

>Between the two, you need to channel multithreaded communications into
singlethreaded >communications so that they can fit with Pd.
That's always possible of course. One way to go.

>If you can't use (or don't want to use) Pd's sys_lock() for whatever
reason, you will need some kind of >intermediate buffer so that your Pd
objects can pick up the data coming from openMP.
I'll dig in a bit into that.

Thanks for the comments,

best regards,
Pedro

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Pedro Lopes wrote:
>
>  During that I realized I could implement it in parallel via OpenMP,
>> but tried to compile the code with some openMP directives and it did not
>> work for the pd_external, it seemed that PD could not handle it somehow[2].
>> So what I wanted was "an object" to be parallel by itself. Not a series of
>> different objects. Does anyone ever made an external that itself uses
>> openMP?
>>
>
> I suppose it means that the code that uses openMP must not use Pd, and the
> code that uses Pd must not use openMP. Between the two, you need to channel
> multithreaded communications into singlethreaded communications so that they
> can fit with Pd. If you can't use (or don't want to use) Pd's sys_lock() for
> whatever reason, you will need some kind of intermediate buffer so that your
> Pd objects can pick up the data coming from openMP.
>
> I don't know any openMP though.
>
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Re: [PD] L2Ork pd-extended release candidate 1 now available (was: Re: call for testers...)

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:

This looks like an incompatibility between tagged moving of an object 
and something in the gridflow. Does this occur with any object or just 
some specific object(s)? Mathieu, The offending call should be the same 
like the Regular call except that is this place is using a tag. It can 
be found in the g_text.c file.


Did you say you expanded t_widgetbehavior ? That sounds like that could be 
the problem. GridFlow compiles with a bundled m_pd.h that does not include 
extra fields there. Then it hacks the comment-class to add an inlet to it 
and keep it properly hidden, and this requires copying the 
t_widgetbehavior struct of the comment-class.


Given that I want a single binary for all distributions of Pd, and that I 
really need the comment-inlets feature, I'll have to add an extra «hack» 
for that. How do I check for your version of Pd ?


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Re: [PD] Gridflow+ L2Ork pd-extended (was: L2Ork pd-extended release candidate 1 now available)

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:

I am not sure if you already mentioned this but did you actually try 
recompiling gridflow from scratch or are you using one of the 
precompiled packages in conjunction with the l2ork pd-extended?


If you do this, then you also need to modify "bundled/m_pd.h" to add that 
field. Well, I think GridFlow still would work if you replace the m_pd.h 
by the one from your pd distro, but I won't guarantee that this will work 
in the future. I'd rather have a loadtime check for the size of 
t_widgetbehavior.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Undervine, data viz + sonification at SFMOMA

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I hope so... it seems to be a one sided feud, I think sevy does great  
work with the pix_opencv libraries and previous work.


.hc

On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:23 AM, ALAN BROOKER wrote:


ok, are you two friends now then? ;)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:18 AM, ydego...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

ok, it's proved now you're my old nationalist friend

'new world'? with imported old mentality within..

it's just too funny you post this here now..

apart from that,
i don't care of your commercials...

ciao,
sevy


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

Working again with Bobby Pietrusko and Stewart Smith, I created  
sonification for visualization of data about the global wine  
industry. It opened recently at SFMOMA in San Francisco. You can see  
a little snippet here:


http://at.or.at/hans/undervine/

And here's a chunk from a scene that didn't make the final cut be we  
like anyway:

http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2010/11/21/highlighting-data-with-sound/

"Wine is a potent force in contemporary life, perhaps the only  
comestible to produce its own visual culture. How Wine Became  
Modern, the first exhibition of its kind, looks at the world of wine  
and the role that architecture, design, and media have played in its  
stunning transformation over the past three decades. Developed in  
collaboration with the New York architecture studio Diller Scofidio  
+ Renfro, the exhibition features historical artifacts,  
architectural models, multimedia installations, newly commissioned  
artworks, and even a "smell wall" to provide a richly textured  
experience in the galleries. Come discover how important cultural  
preoccupations of our day, such as the meaning of "place" and  
"authenticity" in our increasingly global and virtual world, play  
out at this uniquely fertile intersection of nature and culture. At  
once a nuanced investigation and a vivid sensory and aesthetic  
experience, this exhibition presents wine as you've never seen it  
before."


November 20, 2010 - April 17, 2011
http://www.sfmoma.org/exhibitions/406

http://www.sfmoma.org/press/releases/exhibitions/829


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Re: [PD] buttonbar GUI plugin

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Yes, this is vanilla 0.43.  Just drop them into the user-installed  
folders like installing an external:


http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files

.hc

On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Chris McCormick wrote:


Hi Hans,

Whoa, this is way cool! Do these plugins work in Vanilla Pd 0.43?  
How do I

install it?

Cheers,

Chris.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 03:43:32PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
wrote:


With the recent talk about making the patch window look different  
based

on Edit Mode, I put together a GUI plugin for 0.43 that gives you a
buttonbar at the top of the patch window when in Edit Mode.  It  
gives you

clickable shortcuts of what's on the Put menu, like Max/MSP 4.5 or
DesireData:








http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/buttonbar







Let me know how it works for you, try it out, hack it, turn it into
something else.  Anyone want to try to turn it into a menu?

.hc



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Re: [PD] buttonbar GUI plugin

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Chris McCormick wrote:

Whoa, this is way cool! Do these plugins work in Vanilla Pd 0.43?  
How do I install it?


After I developed Pd's original buttonbar, I realised that it's not  
particularly useful. Keyboard shortcuts are a lot more useful. The  
buttonbar is bit more comfortable if it supports drag-n-drop. This  
is something I haven't implemented, and Hans hasn't implemented  
either.


However, Hans implemented auto-hide. (Instead, I had an editmode  
toggle in the bar)


I wonder what the auto-hide thing means in terms of how big patch  
windows are when they open.



Funny, I started out doing it to test the idea of hiding/showing  
something based on editmode, but then it grew into a life of its own.   
Right now, I find the behavior a little annoying, the canvas stays the  
same size, and the buttonbar is inserted at the top, so it moves the  
canvas down.  I think it would work better to have the button bar show  
up at the bottom if its going to expand the window size.  Or the other  
option is that it covers part of the canvas and the window stays the  
same size, but that I think would be harder to implement since Pd  
wants to control the size of the canvas.


Another thing I think should be possible as a plugin is to have a  
right-click menu bar of those buttons.


.hc





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Re: [PD] Wiki recent changes portlet

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:50 AM, IOhannes zmölnig wrote:


On 12/03/2010 11:53 AM, Jamie Bullock wrote:



On 2 Dec 2010, at 17:47, Hans-Christoph Steiner   
wrote:




Yeah, that's nice.  Do you happen to know the name of the Plone  
Product?  There are currently RSS feeds, but I don't know if you  
can get an RSS feed for the whole site.  That would also be nice.




If I read this right, then the Recent Changes portlet is a core  
part of plone, but installing SimplePortlet makes it easier to set  
up:



http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/plone-book/manageportlets/index_html




well, as a matter of fact, i think all plone instances come with a
"recent changes" portlet per default.

it's just a matter of enabling it (which i did now)



I guess I don't understand what you enabled.  I don't see the recent  
changes box anywhere.


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[PD] Colour tracking

[John Canning]

Hi Folks,

I've been trying to do some colour tracking, just tracking a red object for
the moment, although I do eventually want to be able to tack three different
coloured objects. Here is the patch I have been working on. I've got some
info from the mailing list which has informed this patch but (as you can
see) I haven't been able to decipher the info enough to get the patch
working. Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers,
John


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Re: [PD] Wiki recent changes portlet

[IOhannes zmölnig]

On 12/03/2010 04:39 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> I guess I don't understand what you enabled.  I don't see the recent
> changes box anywhere.
> 

well, try to login.

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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

[ydego...@gmail.com]

ola,

 pidip and unauthorized are now published with a  non-standard license
that says :



the code published here can be studied,
modified, used by anyone that
provides all the original credits
and sources in derivative projects.

there are restrictions on its use,
it cannot be used for :

* military amd/or repressive use
* commercial installations and products
* any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia, sexism,
homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)

this is not a standard license.

sevy.



ciao,
sevy

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Re: [PD] buttonbar GUI plugin

[Jack]

Le vendredi 03 décembre 2010 à 10:28 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner a
écrit :
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Chris McCormick wrote:
> >
> >> Whoa, this is way cool! Do these plugins work in Vanilla Pd 0.43?  
> >> How do I install it?
> >
> > After I developed Pd's original buttonbar, I realised that it's not  
> > particularly useful. Keyboard shortcuts are a lot more useful. The  
> > buttonbar is bit more comfortable if it supports drag-n-drop. This  
> > is something I haven't implemented, and Hans hasn't implemented  
> > either.
> >
> > However, Hans implemented auto-hide. (Instead, I had an editmode  
> > toggle in the bar)
> >
> > I wonder what the auto-hide thing means in terms of how big patch  
> > windows are when they open.
> 
> 
> Funny, I started out doing it to test the idea of hiding/showing  
> something based on editmode, but then it grew into a life of its own.   
> Right now, I find the behavior a little annoying, the canvas stays the  
> same size, and the buttonbar is inserted at the top, so it moves the  
> canvas down.  I think it would work better to have the button bar show  
> up at the bottom if its going to expand the window size.  Or the other  
> option is that it covers part of the canvas and the window stays the  
> same size, but that I think would be harder to implement since Pd  
> wants to control the size of the canvas.
> 
> Another thing I think should be possible as a plugin is to have a  
> right-click menu bar of those buttons.

And an other small window à la The Gimp (window toobox) ?
++

Jack


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> .hc
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> 
> 
> 
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[PD] [PD-announce] Patch Pure Data + Metro Mon tréal + Performance

[matohawk]

Hi,

Here the last vidéo of the Larseneurs - Feedback.
Metro Peel - Montréal - Laptop solo - Pure Data + Gem + Feedback

Click here :
http://larseneur.net/MetroPeel.htm

Thomas

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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:

pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license 
that says : * any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, 
xenophobia, sexism, homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( 
expandable list)


«Nationalism» is a broad word : if one makes an artwork related to 
cultural self-determination, isn't it not what you had in mind at all, and 
yet, don't people use the same word to mean it ? Can you make the text 
more precise to reflect that fact ?


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Re: [PD] Gridflow+ L2Ork pd-extended (was: L2Ork pd-extended release candidate 1 now available)

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

This is not actually in m_pd.h but in g_canvas.h according to the original pd 
code. All other includes (apart from g_canvas.h) have remained intact. More so, 
since this is the last entry and I have a check inside added l2ork code whether 
this last entry is null before trying to invoke it (and if it is null then fall 
back to the regular version of displace) it should not require any alteration 
to the code other than making sure that the source at compile-time is 
referencing newer version of g_canvas.h.

I've recompiled most of the externals that come with pd-extended (still waiting 
to hear back from Hans why the latest SVN snapshot fails to compile flatspace, 
toxy, and flib) and none of them have any problems whatsoever (sure there is a 
warning at compile-time how that last widgetbehavior is not initialized 
properly but that does not matter when the code checks for null pointer before 
trying to invoke it).

Cheers!

Ico

> -Original Message-
> From: Mathieu Bouchard [mailto:ma...@artengine.ca]
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:06 AM
> To: Ivica Ico Bukvic
> Cc: ALAN BROOKER; Pd-list@iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] Gridflow+ L2Ork pd-extended (was: L2Ork pd-extended
> release candidate 1 now available)
> 
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> 
> > I am not sure if you already mentioned this but did you actually try
> > recompiling gridflow from scratch or are you using one of the
> > precompiled packages in conjunction with the l2ork pd-extended?
> 
> If you do this, then you also need to modify "bundled/m_pd.h" to add
> that
> field. Well, I think GridFlow still would work if you replace the m_pd.h
> by the one from your pd distro, but I won't guarantee that this will work
> in the future. I'd rather have a loadtime check for the size of
> t_widgetbehavior.
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Undervine, data viz + sonification at SFMOMA

[Derek Holzer]

It must be so hard to be so angry about so many things so often...

On 12/3/10 11:23 AM, ALAN BROOKER wrote:

ok, are you two friends now then? ;)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:18 AM, ydego...@gmail.com
 mailto:ydego...@gmail.com>> wrote:

ok, it's proved now you're my old nationalist friend

'new world'? with imported old mentality within..

it's just too funny you post this here now..

apart from that,
i don't care of your commercials...

ciao,
sevy


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Working again with Bobby Pietrusko and Stewart Smith, I created
sonification for visualization of data about the global wine
industry. It opened recently at SFMOMA in San Francisco. You can
see a little snippet here:

http://at.or.at/hans/undervine/

And here's a chunk from a scene that didn't make the final cut
be we like anyway:
http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2010/11/21/highlighting-data-with-sound/

"Wine is a potent force in contemporary life, perhaps the only
comestible to produce its own visual culture. How Wine Became
Modern, the first exhibition of its kind, looks at the world of
wine and the role that architecture, design, and media have
played in its stunning transformation over the past three
decades. Developed in collaboration with the New York
architecture studio Diller Scofidio + Renfro, the exhibition
features historical artifacts, architectural models, multimedia
installations, newly commissioned artworks, and even a "smell
wall" to provide a richly textured experience in the galleries.
Come discover how important cultural preoccupations of our day,
such as the meaning of "place" and "authenticity" in our
increasingly global and virtual world, play out at this uniquely
fertile intersection of nature and culture. At once a nuanced
investigation and a vivid sensory and aesthetic experience, this
exhibition presents wine as you've never seen it before."

November 20, 2010 - April 17, 2011
http://www.sfmoma.org/exhibitions/406

http://www.sfmoma.org/press/releases/exhibitions/829


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[PD] More SVN build questions

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

Hans,

Your lastest nightly snapshot is also missing flatspace (but at least it
does build libdir,flib, and toxy). I've had to build libdir, flib, and
toxy manually, so I guess there is a workaround for that (in other words
the current svn build script simply ignores building those for whatever
reason). But the absence of flatspace even in your nightly builds is
baffling. Is this thing then deprecated in latest svn?

Ico


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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 13:54 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> Hans,
> 
> Your lastest nightly snapshot is also missing flatspace (but at least it
> does build libdir,flib, and toxy). I've had to build libdir, flib, and
> toxy manually, so I guess there is a workaround for that (in other words
> the current svn build script simply ignores building those for whatever
> reason). But the absence of flatspace even in your nightly builds is
> baffling. Is this thing then deprecated in latest svn?

OK, found the source. externals/Makefile apparently omits these from
being built, including loaders-libdir which has been apparently
separated from the regular loaders thus making it impossible to load any
of the libs. I suspect this is a omission by mistake.

However, flatspace, flib, and toxy are also omitted while some of its
externals (here I speculate) have been assimilated into other packages.
entry.pd_linux (from flatspace) is however missing. So are quite a few
others.


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Re: [PD] Colour tracking

[William Brent]

Maybe you're only interested in working on a native GEM solution, but
Jaime Oliver made an external for this a few years back.  You can get
it at his website, under the software tab:

http://www.jaimeoliver.pe



On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM, John Canning
 wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I've been trying to do some colour tracking, just tracking a red object for
> the moment, although I do eventually want to be able to tack three different
> coloured objects. Here is the patch I have been working on. I've got some
> info from the mailing list which has informed this patch but (as you can
> see) I haven't been able to decipher the info enough to get the patch
> working. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> John
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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:


Hans,

Your lastest nightly snapshot is also missing flatspace (but at  
least it

does build libdir,flib, and toxy). I've had to build libdir, flib, and
toxy manually, so I guess there is a workaround for that (in other  
words
the current svn build script simply ignores building those for  
whatever

reason). But the absence of flatspace even in your nightly builds is
baffling. Is this thing then deprecated in latest svn?


Hey Ico,

For the next release of Pd-extended, I'm trying to open up the process  
of what gets included into Pd-extended and make sure there is a clear  
maintainer for each library that's included.  There are a number of  
very old, obsolete libraries in there now, and I don't have the time  
to maintain all of the libraries that are currently in Pd-extended.


Recently, we've put a lot of effort in making it easier to make,  
distribute and install libraries, these are changes in Pd 0.43 and Pd- 
extended 0.42.  That means there is less pressure to put libraries  
into Pd-extended.  So I think its appropriate to make sure only really  
stable (i.e. in bugs and in API) libraries should be included in Pd- 
extended.


One last piece of this puzzle is that we've been working on getting  
lots of libraries into Debian (and therefore Ubuntu, Mint, etc), so  
I'm shifting my development focus there, and Pd-extended will be based  
on what's in Debian.


This is definitely a moving target, and things are still taking shape,  
but that's the general idea of what I'm thinking now.  You can see  
more here, and I'm going to try to get more organized on this topic too.


http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended
http://puredata.info/dev/NextRelease


.hc






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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

[Derek Holzer]

From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.

D.

On 12/3/10 5:51 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:


pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license
that says : * any project that promotes : racism, nationalism,
xenophobia, sexism, homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. (
expandable list)


«Nationalism» is a broad word : if one makes an artwork related to
cultural self-determination, isn't it not what you had in mind at all,
and yet, don't people use the same word to mean it ? Can you make the
text more precise to reflect that fact ?



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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

Cool. Thanks for your reply.

So is it therefore safe to assume that flatspace, flib, and toxy are for
all intents and purposes obsolete (at least for the time being)?

What about the absence of loaders-libdir? That seems like an erroneous
omission since it is the very backbone of the lib loading?

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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:


On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 13:54 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:

Hans,

Your lastest nightly snapshot is also missing flatspace (but at  
least it
does build libdir,flib, and toxy). I've had to build libdir, flib,  
and
toxy manually, so I guess there is a workaround for that (in other  
words
the current svn build script simply ignores building those for  
whatever

reason). But the absence of flatspace even in your nightly builds is
baffling. Is this thing then deprecated in latest svn?


OK, found the source. externals/Makefile apparently omits these from
being built, including loaders-libdir which has been apparently
separated from the regular loaders thus making it impossible to load  
any

of the libs. I suspect this is a omission by mistake.

However, flatspace, flib, and toxy are also omitted while some of its
externals (here I speculate) have been assimilated into other  
packages.

entry.pd_linux (from flatspace) is however missing. So are quite a few
others.


Ok, the libdir loader should now be included in the builds:

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revision=14565

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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:


Cool. Thanks for your reply.

So is it therefore safe to assume that flatspace, flib, and toxy are  
for

all intents and purposes obsolete (at least for the time being)?


If anyone wants to maintain them, they can take them on.  I personally  
really think 'flatspace' should go away.  flib and toxy are  
interesting libraries, if anyone wants to be the maintainer of them.   
I just can't do it all.



What about the absence of loaders-libdir? That seems like an erroneous
omission since it is the very backbone of the lib loading?


fixed

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Re: [PD] buttonbar GUI plugin

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:


Le vendredi 03 décembre 2010 à 10:28 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner a
écrit :

On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Chris McCormick wrote:


Whoa, this is way cool! Do these plugins work in Vanilla Pd 0.43?
How do I install it?


After I developed Pd's original buttonbar, I realised that it's not
particularly useful. Keyboard shortcuts are a lot more useful. The
buttonbar is bit more comfortable if it supports drag-n-drop. This
is something I haven't implemented, and Hans hasn't implemented
either.

However, Hans implemented auto-hide. (Instead, I had an editmode
toggle in the bar)

I wonder what the auto-hide thing means in terms of how big patch
windows are when they open.



Funny, I started out doing it to test the idea of hiding/showing
something based on editmode, but then it grew into a life of its own.
Right now, I find the behavior a little annoying, the canvas stays  
the

same size, and the buttonbar is inserted at the top, so it moves the
canvas down.  I think it would work better to have the button bar  
show
up at the bottom if its going to expand the window size.  Or the  
other

option is that it covers part of the canvas and the window stays the
same size, but that I think would be harder to implement since Pd
wants to control the size of the canvas.

Another thing I think should be possible as a plugin is to have a
right-click menu bar of those buttons.


And an other small window à la The Gimp (window toobox) ?


That would not be hard to do.  Basically just create a 'toplevel'  
window, and arrange the buttons that I made for the toolbar in that  
toplevel window.  The plugin could also add key bindings and items in  
the Window menu, or wherever appropriate.  I'm happy to give pointers  
to anyone who wants to take this on.


.hc



++

Jack




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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

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On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:




Ok, the libdir loader should now be included in the builds:

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revision=14565

.hc


Doesn't this however kill building of the hexloader which we also  
need?


Ico


Should be fixed now:

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revision=14566

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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

> Should be fixed now:
> 
> http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revision=14566
> 
> .hc

Cool, thanks!

BTW, when issuing next build, don't forget to update default.pdsettings
as well. Cheers!

Ico


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Re: [PD] Wiki recent changes portlet

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:56 AM, IOhannes zmölnig wrote:


On 12/03/2010 04:39 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


I guess I don't understand what you enabled.  I don't see the recent
changes box anywhere.



well, try to login.



Ah yes, cool, thanks!  An RSS feed of that would be awesome.

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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:




Should be fixed now:

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revision=14566

.hc


Cool, thanks!

BTW, when issuing next build, don't forget to update  
default.pdsettings

as well. Cheers!

Ico


hehe, feel free to beat me to it!  I probably won't touch that file  
for a while since things will be changing a lot.  Honestly, I've been  
thinking of removing all libraries from the startup in Pd-extended.


.hc





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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

One more thing, the installer generated via "make tarbz2" does not know
how to handle objects that have $ in their name, like $n-help.pd and it
fails there. These need to be replaced by $$ instead of $ so that
install directives can actually process them properly.

Cheers!

Ico


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Re: [PD] buttonbar GUI plugin

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Chris McCormick wrote:

Whoa, this is way cool! Do these plugins work in Vanilla Pd 0.43?  
How do I install it?


After I developed Pd's original buttonbar, I realised that it's not  
particularly useful. Keyboard shortcuts are a lot more useful. The  
buttonbar is bit more comfortable if it supports drag-n-drop. This  
is something I haven't implemented, and Hans hasn't implemented  
either.


However, Hans implemented auto-hide. (Instead, I had an editmode  
toggle in the bar)


I wonder what the auto-hide thing means in terms of how big patch  
windows are when they open.



Just had a thought, it would be cool to see your buttonbar also  
implemented as an 0.43 plugin, especially since its already well  
developed.


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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

That'd be good to have in the bug tracker, if its a problem.

.hc

On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:

One more thing, the installer generated via "make tarbz2" does not  
know
how to handle objects that have $ in their name, like $n-help.pd and  
it

fails there. These need to be replaced by $$ instead of $ so that
install directives can actually process them properly.

Cheers!

Ico









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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 18:58 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> That'd be good to have in the bug tracker, if its a problem.
> 
> .hc

Attached is a patch against generate_install_makefile.bash that fixes
this.

Cheers!

Ico
15c15,16
< 	 local my_file=$1
---
> 	 #local my_file=$1
> 	 local my_file=`echo $1 | sed 's:\$:\$\$:g'`
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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

Oops, never mind. Gotta fix my sed syntax... Will resend one via
bugtracker shortly.

On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 20:18 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 18:58 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > That'd be good to have in the bug tracker, if its a problem.
> > 
> > .hc
> 
> Attached is a patch against generate_install_makefile.bash that fixes
> this.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Ico



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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

[João Pais]

 From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.


so you'll never try to control a vacuum cleaner with Pd...

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Re: [PD] More SVN build questions

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

OK, attached patch ought to take care of it. I will also submit it to
the sourceforge...

Cheers!

Ico
--- generate_install_makefile.bash~	2010-12-03 20:47:46.0 -0500
+++ generate_install_makefile.bash	2010-12-03 20:48:17.0 -0500
@@ -12,7 +12,8 @@
 
 function print_file ()
 {
-	 local my_file=$1
+	 #local my_file=$1
+	 local my_file=`echo $1 | sed 's/\\\$/\$\$/g'`
 	 echo -e "\tinstall -p '$my_file' '\$(prefix)/$my_file'"
 }
 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] L2Ork pd-extended release candidate 5 now available (was: L2Ork pd-extended release candidate 4...)

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

> http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56

*One more show-stopping regression squashed--reopening the same patch
after closing would invoke the evil double-entry bug.
*Changed the package to provide smaller-size tarballs. Now includes
prebuilt full version of Pd-extended with L2Ork improvements (a.k.a.
full), and the PD sources with prebuilt i386 binaries.

Hence, calling this release candidate 5 now...

Cheers!

Ico


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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

[Ludwig Maes]

The processor running Pd must not be inside the vacuum cleaner, so we
can still use his precious code :) as long as the processor blows its
OK i guess...

On 4 December 2010 02:40, João Pais  wrote:
>>  From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.
>
> so you'll never try to control a vacuum cleaner with Pd...
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Re: [PD] Gridflow+ L2Ork pd-extended (was: L2Ork pd-extended release candidate 1 now available)

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 10:06 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> 
> > I am not sure if you already mentioned this but did you actually try 
> > recompiling gridflow from scratch or are you using one of the 
> > precompiled packages in conjunction with the l2ork pd-extended?
> 
> If you do this, then you also need to modify "bundled/m_pd.h" to add that 
> field. Well, I think GridFlow still would work if you replace the m_pd.h 
> by the one from your pd distro, but I won't guarantee that this will work 
> in the future. I'd rather have a loadtime check for the size of 
> t_widgetbehavior.

FWIW, I just compiled gridflow from scratch having replaced g_canvas.h
(as per my earlier email) and it works just fine here. That said, there
are a couple tutorial patches that when triggered crash immediately but
others are rock-solid which leads me to believe that this may have to do
something with a specific lib gridflow is linked against and/or an
object within the library rather than point to an incompatibility with
l2ork iteration of pd. Some objects are also missing inside the patch
(they fail to be created). Camera input also works perfectly fine.

All this is with ver. 9.12.

HTH

Ico


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