Re: [PD] pd latency on puredyne 9.10 with Nvidia HDA

2011-03-28 Thread Billy Stiltner
pd-l2ork didn't help anything. Well maybe a little with Alsa but
couldn't get jack to run with it at all.

On 3/27/11, Billy Stiltner billy.stilt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I actually tried a smaller patch on both ubuntu studio 10.10 as well
 as puredyne 9.10.
 On both systems the audio was flawless using a 6ms buffer in pd.

  So there is nothing wrong with my audio setup.

 But still the larger patch that runs fine on windows with 50ms buffer
 will not run without glitching with jack on either linux system.

 There is a difference in gem's default video codec between linux and
 windows. However I have tried the patch without even loading gem.

 What else could be the difference between linux and windows with pd?


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[PD] Echo-effect

2011-03-28 Thread Stefan Magnusson
Hi!

Im currently working with a project developing tactile feedback for
stimulation of disabled children.

Im getting quite far in using a rough surface, a contact microphone and
buttshaker. My signal path is something like
mic-bandpass-filering-amplitude control of an
oscillator-lowpass-speaker

i wish to get the sound a bit more interesting, so i would like to add an
echoeffect something like:
-Starts when there has been no sound (amplitude=0 after filtering) for 0,8
seconds.
-Playbacks the last 1,6 seconds of sound (then there will be 0,8 seconds of
noise and 0,8 seconds of silence) with 60% amplitude
-Repeat the echo with decreasing amplitude (i.e 45, 30 and 0%)

I believe i should use delay lines but i have a hard time controlling them
the way i want.

Some help would be really appreciated by me and the children

/Stefan
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Re: [PD] Echo-effect

2011-03-28 Thread Pierre Massat
Hi Stefan,

I'm sorry i didn't get your first requirement Starts when there has been no
sound for 0,8 seconds. Could you be a little more specific?

If you need to have a strong control over the echo i think you should
probably use tables instead of delay lines, because you can write and read
to an from a table at any moment and at any point in the table.

Pierre

2011/3/28 Stefan Magnusson stefan.magnus...@gmail.com

 Hi!

 Im currently working with a project developing tactile feedback for
 stimulation of disabled children.

 Im getting quite far in using a rough surface, a contact microphone and
 buttshaker. My signal path is something like
 mic-bandpass-filering-amplitude control of an
 oscillator-lowpass-speaker

 i wish to get the sound a bit more interesting, so i would like to add an
 echoeffect something like:
 -Starts when there has been no sound (amplitude=0 after filtering) for 0,8
 seconds.
 -Playbacks the last 1,6 seconds of sound (then there will be 0,8 seconds of
 noise and 0,8 seconds of silence) with 60% amplitude
 -Repeat the echo with decreasing amplitude (i.e 45, 30 and 0%)

 I believe i should use delay lines but i have a hard time controlling them
 the way i want.

 Some help would be really appreciated by me and the children

 /Stefan

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Re: [PD] Echo-effect

2011-03-28 Thread Stefan Magnusson
Hi!

I only want the effect to kick in after a certain amount of silence (where
silence is defined as amplitude zero) so that does not interferer when there
is continuous sound. Clear enough?

/Stefan

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Stefan,

 I'm sorry i didn't get your first requirement Starts when there has been
 no sound for 0,8 seconds. Could you be a little more specific?

 If you need to have a strong control over the echo i think you should
 probably use tables instead of delay lines, because you can write and read
 to an from a table at any moment and at any point in the table.

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Re: [PD] Echo-effect

2011-03-28 Thread Pierre Massat
So you don't want the original sound and the echo to overlap? Then the
question is : how do you define silence? Do you have a reliable means of
knowing for sure when silence begins? In my experience you can never get an
amplitude of 0 in a sound originating from a microphone. If you can manage
to know exactly when silence starts, then i think you could achieve what you
want by using a single delay line. I would feed the delay line (delwrite~)
with the incoming sound continuously, and i would switch off the output of
the line (delread~, use *~ 0 after it to switch it off). The length of the
delay would be constant and equal to 1600 ms. The feedback level XX (use *~
XX between the output of delread and the input of delwrite) would be equal
to 0 when the delay is off (so that you only get the last 1,6 seconds of
sound when you switch it on). Then everytime you detect silence you wait for
0,8 seconds and you send messages to both the output switch (ramp up from 0
to 1) and the feedback (ramp from 0 to whatever suits your needs). Also, i
would turn the delay off automatically after a fixed period of time
(depending on the feedback level) to make sure that the echo will be off
when a new sound occurs.
Hope this helps...

Pierre

2011/3/28 Stefan Magnusson stefan.magnus...@gmail.com

 Hi!

 I only want the effect to kick in after a certain amount of silence (where
 silence is defined as amplitude zero) so that does not interferer when there
 is continuous sound. Clear enough?

 /Stefan


 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Stefan,

 I'm sorry i didn't get your first requirement Starts when there has been
 no sound for 0,8 seconds. Could you be a little more specific?

 If you need to have a strong control over the echo i think you should
 probably use tables instead of delay lines, because you can write and read
 to an from a table at any moment and at any point in the table.

 Pierre







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Re: [PD] Echo-effect

2011-03-28 Thread Andrew Faraday

The first requirement is tricky, it's very rare you'll get amplitude 0 (or, 
more accurately, minus infinity) from an active input, I'd suggest [env~] and 
[] with a number to define tolerance, it's a tricky business, however. 

Delay wise you could always use the classic delay-repeat model which is 
something like


(sound source)  [r~ feedback]
 |  /
[delwrite~ delayname 1000]

[delread~ delayname 1000]
 |   \ 
[dac~]  [*~ 0.4]
  |
 [s~ feedback]

which will basically echo to silence

Or you could try a more controlled example which would be something like

(sound source)
|
[delwrite~ del1 1000]

[delread~ del1 1000]
| \
[*~ .5]   [dac~]
|
[delwrite~ del2 500]

[delread~ del2 500] 
|
[dac~]

which would mean the echoes get quieter and closer together. You could carry on 
this chain as long as you want, modifying each echo in the chain to your own 
specification.

I'm not sure how helpful this is, but it might be what you're after.

Andrew

Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:26:09 +0200
From: pimas...@gmail.com
To: stefan.magnus...@gmail.com
CC: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] Echo-effect

So you don't want the original sound and the echo to overlap? Then the question 
is : how do you define silence? Do you have a reliable means of knowing for 
sure when silence begins? In my experience you can never get an amplitude of 0 
in a sound originating from a microphone. If you can manage to know exactly 
when silence starts, then i think you could achieve what you want by using a 
single delay line. I would feed the delay line (delwrite~) with the incoming 
sound continuously, and i would switch off the output of the line (delread~, 
use *~ 0 after it to switch it off). The length of the delay would be constant 
and equal to 1600 ms. The feedback level XX (use *~ XX between the output of 
delread and the input of delwrite) would be equal to 0 when the delay is off 
(so that you only get the last 1,6 seconds of sound when you switch it on). 
Then everytime you detect silence you wait for 0,8 seconds and you send 
messages to both the output switch (ramp up from 0 to 1) and the feedback (ramp 
from 0 to whatever suits your needs). Also, i would turn the delay off 
automatically after a fixed period of time (depending on the feedback level) to 
make sure that the echo will be off when a new sound occurs.

Hope this helps...

Pierre

2011/3/28 Stefan Magnusson stefan.magnus...@gmail.com

Hi!
I only want the effect to kick in after a certain amount of silence (where 
silence is defined as amplitude zero) so that does not interferer when there is 
continuous sound. Clear enough?


/Stefan  

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Stefan,

I'm sorry i didn't get your first requirement Starts when there has been no 
sound for 0,8 seconds. Could you be a little more specific?

If you need to have a strong control over the echo i think you should probably 
use tables instead of delay lines, because you can write and read to an from a 
table at any moment and at any point in the table.




Pierre












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Re: [PD] Call for papers and workshops: Pure Data Convention 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Marco Donnarumma
aah.. :)

alright then sorry if it caused some panic...
should have specified the time zone :)

best,
M

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.comwrote:

 mm, from the website:

 ~
 Calls
 for Papers and workshops

 Please submit papers to the openconf
 Deadline for abstracts: March 28, 2011


 Yeah, I know that.  It's Mar 27th where I am. :D greetings from Central
 Standard Time--f'n snow, I thought we were done with that til next year



 Please send an extended version of your abstract (1 page or 500 words)
 ~

 The call for music will be still open for some time.


 M




 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yer gonna make me panic.  Seriously?

 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.comwrote:

 2h 20' from now!
 :)



 yeah...

 How many hours left???




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[PD] EXTENDED DEADLINE Was: Call for papers and workshops: Pure Data Convention 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Max
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The committee has decided to extend the deadline to the 10th of April 24:00h 
(UTS +2)

Greetings from Sydney,

Max

Am 28.03.2011 um 23:24 schrieb Marco Donnarumma:

 aah.. :)
 
 alright then sorry if it caused some panic...
 should have specified the time zone :)
 
 best,
 M
 
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com wrote:
 mm, from the website:
 
 ~
 Calls
 for Papers and workshops
 
 Please submit papers to the openconf
 Deadline for abstracts: March 28, 2011
 
 Yeah, I know that.  It's Mar 27th where I am. :D greetings from Central 
 Standard Time--f'n snow, I thought we were done with that til next year
  
 
 Please send an extended version of your abstract (1 page or 500 words)
 ~
 
 The call for music will be still open for some time.
 
 
 M
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yer gonna make me panic.  Seriously?
 
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com wrote:
 2h 20' from now! 
 :) 
 
  
 yeah...
 
 How many hours left???
 
 
 
 
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[PD] [PD-announce] deadline for the PdCon 2011 Call for Papers extended

2011-03-28 Thread Max
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Re: [PD] maths and music

2011-03-28 Thread George Ker
Is this sound engineered in Pd?
If yes - I find it excellent.

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On 24 March 2011 18:42, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:

 On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, ronald kuivila wrote:

  Music for 88 is a series of piano pieces that are quite charming.  I
 particlarly like 88's, which simply a series of ways to playing all 88 notes
 on the piano once. (In the score, the first iteration is presented followed
 by an ellipsis. with the overall breakdown of notes represented as a simple
 factoring, i.e. 4 * 22, (5 +3) * 11)


 Ah, btw, I didn't know Tom Johnson's work, but just like him, I composed
 something revolving around Pascal's triangle. I made it last spring. Here is
 the full recording :


 http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial_version_trois.mp3

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Re: [PD] maths and music

2011-03-28 Thread George Ker
I think it's very hard to succeed in engineering such a sound in Pd from
scratch.
Anyway, thanks for the share!

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On 25 March 2011 03:18, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:

 On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, George Ker wrote:

  If yes - I find it excellent.


 And what if it isn't ?

 What do you think it is made with, when you listen to it ?


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] patch dans patch (5ième partie)

2011-03-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote:


Pd mandala... :)
nice work, each time it gets more interesting.
Do you have a gallery of this screens, which I could link to from my blog?


Currently, there is http://gridflow.ca/gallery/ but it also includes all 
my other screenshots, images and videos that are unrelated to this series, 
plus a few other GridFlow things made by other people.


I «plan» to make a page with thumbnails and categories for those, but 
don't hold your breath. I «planned» to rewrite my personal homepage two 
years ago and it still hasn't happened. ;)


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] patch dans patch (5ième partie)

2011-03-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, chr wrote:


great-code-art
!!!


More coming soon. This series is several weeks old even though I posted it 
only this friday night, and in the meantime I had already started a new 
series. You will see that it's completely different again.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] patch dans patch (5ième partie)

2011-03-28 Thread ALAN BROOKER
one of my favourites:

http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_8.png


I might try some myself!

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 great-code-art
 !!!

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 only this friday night, and in the meantime I had already started a new
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Re: [PD] current Pd in autobuild

2011-03-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Mar 12, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Charles Goyard wrote:


Hi,

András Murányi wrote:


http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.0-extended-ubuntu-lucid-amd64.deband
Error in startup script: couldn't read file /usr/lib/pd/tcl//pd- 
gui.tcl:

no such file or directory


I got the same error, took me some time to understand. At the moment  
you
can cd to the lib/pd-extended/bin directory and run ./pd Don't  
forget to

switch/remove your .pdextended/.pdrc file.

By lurking on pd-dev I understood there's a bit of reorganization  
going

on pd-extended git these days.



Yeah, I guess that stuff is currently a mess.  You can start Pd- 
extended 0.43 using /usr/lib/pd-extended/bin/pd, like Charles said.


.hc




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[PD] Netsend or OSC

2011-03-28 Thread J bz
Hey,

I'm trying to send some msd data over [netsend] using two instances of Pd on
the same machine.

I keep getting:
'netsend blocked n msec'
messages

Should I persevere or get into OSC now?

Cheers,

Jb
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[PD] access to pd table from another application

2011-03-28 Thread Billy Stiltner
Hey
Is there a way for pd to expose it's tables to another application and
have both applications able to modify the table. For instance I would
like to make a graphical interface to a patch using juce.
I would like to be able to draw something in a graph in juce and have
the table in pd instantly(as fast as drawing on a graph in pd) update.
Would I have to compile the juce program as an external? Or is there a
way for them to both read and write to the same data without compiling
as an external? My programming skills are a bit rusty but I would like
to get back to programming.

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Re: [PD] pd latency on puredyne 9.10 with Nvidia HDA

2011-03-28 Thread Billy Stiltner
On 3/28/11, yvan volochine yvan...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 03/28/2011 01:22 AM, Billy Stiltner wrote:
 I actually tried a smaller patch on both ubuntu studio 10.10 as well
 as puredyne 9.10.
 On both systems the audio was flawless using a 6ms buffer in pd.

   So there is nothing wrong with my audio setup.

 But still the larger patch that runs fine on windows with 50ms buffer
 will not run without glitching with jack on either linux system.

 There is a difference in gem's default video codec between linux and
 windows. However I have tried the patch without even loading gem.

 What else could be the difference between linux and windows with pd?

 not with pd but there certainly are some differences in how the OS
 handles your hardware.
 IIUC you're getting into troubles as soon as the graphics are involved
 in your patch ? your internal soundcard is Nvidia as well as your
 graphic card, therefore my idea of trying with an external soundcard so
 Nvidia chip takes care of graphics only (not sure if that makes sense,
 coffee mode here).
 anyway, I wouldn't trust Nvidia for anything else than graphics but
 maybe that's just me

 0.02 €
 _y

yvan, thanks for the suggestion. I will have to try that. I noticed
that both my sound card and SATA controller are both on IRQ 23 with
Puredyne. This is not so with windows. Possibly this explains the
problem. Allthough the glitching occurs when no file writing is
happening the patch does prepare some files to be written to at
startup.  The SATA controller is managed by Nvidia as well as the
sound card. The audio chip(realtek) is separate from the Video and pci
controller. I have not seen mention of the Realtek drivers for linux.
So I will try to find out how to get Linux to use a differen't IRQ for
the SATA controller and see if that does the trick. I don't think the
BIOS allows for manually setting the IRQs of PCI devices but does
offer the reserving of IRQs or assigning them to ISA devices. This
discussion is getting off topic of PD but I would really like to use
PD with Linux on this machine. I'm probably better off deleting the
linux partitions though.

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Re: [PD] pd latency on puredyne 9.10 with Nvidia HDA

2011-03-28 Thread Bernardo Barros
Billy,

Did you try the recent rtirq deamon script? There was a recent update
this month.
Do you have problems just with PD? And pd without gui?

Hope you find the solution!

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] patch dans patch (5ième partie)

2011-03-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, ALAN BROOKER wrote:


one of my favourites:
http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_8.png
I might try some myself!


Ok, well, something you may want to know is that GridFlow 9.14 has [#see 
1], which uses a file buffer instead of streaming the pixels through the 
socket. It's tremendously faster, but it's not the default yet, as it's 
still experimental. I might remove the argument later when the file buffer 
becomes the default. Maybe this will happen before the 9.14 release.


All the patch_dans_patch use [#see 1]. It's especially important for 
displaying large images : the speed ratio (compared to just [#see]) 
increases with image size (!!!).


I use [#see 1, margins 0 0 0 0] in the last series, to remove the border 
and make the inlet/outlet invisible. There is no Properties-dialogue, and 
properties are only saved if you write them directly in the objectbox when 
you create the object (otherwise you need to [loadbang] them).


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[PD] Kinect Hacking at the last NYC Pd Patching Circle

2011-03-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


William Brent was coming to town this month so we moved it a little  
later in the month to Sunday, March 27. A few of us had Kinect cameras  
so we explored the new [pix_kinect] to get the depth camera, then used  
the OSCeleton stuff to build an instrument.  In this video you can see  
William's patch in action with Ralf from Amsterdam as the performer.


http://vimeo.com/21627710

.hc



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Re: [PD] access to pd table from another application

2011-03-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Sounds like something that would be best done in C or C++.  Since JUCE  
is already C++, then might as well stay with C++, right?  Then just  
look at any of the tab* objects to see how to read tables.


.hc

On Mar 28, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Billy Stiltner wrote:


Hey
Is there a way for pd to expose it's tables to another application and
have both applications able to modify the table. For instance I would
like to make a graphical interface to a patch using juce.
I would like to be able to draw something in a graph in juce and have
the table in pd instantly(as fast as drawing on a graph in pd) update.
Would I have to compile the juce program as an external? Or is there a
way for them to both read and write to the same data without compiling
as an external? My programming skills are a bit rusty but I would like
to get back to programming.

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