Re: [PD] pd latency on puredyne 9.10 with Nvidia HDA
pd-l2ork didn't help anything. Well maybe a little with Alsa but couldn't get jack to run with it at all. On 3/27/11, Billy Stiltner billy.stilt...@gmail.com wrote: I actually tried a smaller patch on both ubuntu studio 10.10 as well as puredyne 9.10. On both systems the audio was flawless using a 6ms buffer in pd. So there is nothing wrong with my audio setup. But still the larger patch that runs fine on windows with 50ms buffer will not run without glitching with jack on either linux system. There is a difference in gem's default video codec between linux and windows. However I have tried the patch without even loading gem. What else could be the difference between linux and windows with pd? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Echo-effect
Hi! Im currently working with a project developing tactile feedback for stimulation of disabled children. Im getting quite far in using a rough surface, a contact microphone and buttshaker. My signal path is something like mic-bandpass-filering-amplitude control of an oscillator-lowpass-speaker i wish to get the sound a bit more interesting, so i would like to add an echoeffect something like: -Starts when there has been no sound (amplitude=0 after filtering) for 0,8 seconds. -Playbacks the last 1,6 seconds of sound (then there will be 0,8 seconds of noise and 0,8 seconds of silence) with 60% amplitude -Repeat the echo with decreasing amplitude (i.e 45, 30 and 0%) I believe i should use delay lines but i have a hard time controlling them the way i want. Some help would be really appreciated by me and the children /Stefan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Echo-effect
Hi Stefan, I'm sorry i didn't get your first requirement Starts when there has been no sound for 0,8 seconds. Could you be a little more specific? If you need to have a strong control over the echo i think you should probably use tables instead of delay lines, because you can write and read to an from a table at any moment and at any point in the table. Pierre 2011/3/28 Stefan Magnusson stefan.magnus...@gmail.com Hi! Im currently working with a project developing tactile feedback for stimulation of disabled children. Im getting quite far in using a rough surface, a contact microphone and buttshaker. My signal path is something like mic-bandpass-filering-amplitude control of an oscillator-lowpass-speaker i wish to get the sound a bit more interesting, so i would like to add an echoeffect something like: -Starts when there has been no sound (amplitude=0 after filtering) for 0,8 seconds. -Playbacks the last 1,6 seconds of sound (then there will be 0,8 seconds of noise and 0,8 seconds of silence) with 60% amplitude -Repeat the echo with decreasing amplitude (i.e 45, 30 and 0%) I believe i should use delay lines but i have a hard time controlling them the way i want. Some help would be really appreciated by me and the children /Stefan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Echo-effect
Hi! I only want the effect to kick in after a certain amount of silence (where silence is defined as amplitude zero) so that does not interferer when there is continuous sound. Clear enough? /Stefan On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Stefan, I'm sorry i didn't get your first requirement Starts when there has been no sound for 0,8 seconds. Could you be a little more specific? If you need to have a strong control over the echo i think you should probably use tables instead of delay lines, because you can write and read to an from a table at any moment and at any point in the table. Pierre ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Echo-effect
So you don't want the original sound and the echo to overlap? Then the question is : how do you define silence? Do you have a reliable means of knowing for sure when silence begins? In my experience you can never get an amplitude of 0 in a sound originating from a microphone. If you can manage to know exactly when silence starts, then i think you could achieve what you want by using a single delay line. I would feed the delay line (delwrite~) with the incoming sound continuously, and i would switch off the output of the line (delread~, use *~ 0 after it to switch it off). The length of the delay would be constant and equal to 1600 ms. The feedback level XX (use *~ XX between the output of delread and the input of delwrite) would be equal to 0 when the delay is off (so that you only get the last 1,6 seconds of sound when you switch it on). Then everytime you detect silence you wait for 0,8 seconds and you send messages to both the output switch (ramp up from 0 to 1) and the feedback (ramp from 0 to whatever suits your needs). Also, i would turn the delay off automatically after a fixed period of time (depending on the feedback level) to make sure that the echo will be off when a new sound occurs. Hope this helps... Pierre 2011/3/28 Stefan Magnusson stefan.magnus...@gmail.com Hi! I only want the effect to kick in after a certain amount of silence (where silence is defined as amplitude zero) so that does not interferer when there is continuous sound. Clear enough? /Stefan On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Stefan, I'm sorry i didn't get your first requirement Starts when there has been no sound for 0,8 seconds. Could you be a little more specific? If you need to have a strong control over the echo i think you should probably use tables instead of delay lines, because you can write and read to an from a table at any moment and at any point in the table. Pierre ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Echo-effect
The first requirement is tricky, it's very rare you'll get amplitude 0 (or, more accurately, minus infinity) from an active input, I'd suggest [env~] and [] with a number to define tolerance, it's a tricky business, however. Delay wise you could always use the classic delay-repeat model which is something like (sound source) [r~ feedback] | / [delwrite~ delayname 1000] [delread~ delayname 1000] | \ [dac~] [*~ 0.4] | [s~ feedback] which will basically echo to silence Or you could try a more controlled example which would be something like (sound source) | [delwrite~ del1 1000] [delread~ del1 1000] | \ [*~ .5] [dac~] | [delwrite~ del2 500] [delread~ del2 500] | [dac~] which would mean the echoes get quieter and closer together. You could carry on this chain as long as you want, modifying each echo in the chain to your own specification. I'm not sure how helpful this is, but it might be what you're after. Andrew Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:26:09 +0200 From: pimas...@gmail.com To: stefan.magnus...@gmail.com CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Echo-effect So you don't want the original sound and the echo to overlap? Then the question is : how do you define silence? Do you have a reliable means of knowing for sure when silence begins? In my experience you can never get an amplitude of 0 in a sound originating from a microphone. If you can manage to know exactly when silence starts, then i think you could achieve what you want by using a single delay line. I would feed the delay line (delwrite~) with the incoming sound continuously, and i would switch off the output of the line (delread~, use *~ 0 after it to switch it off). The length of the delay would be constant and equal to 1600 ms. The feedback level XX (use *~ XX between the output of delread and the input of delwrite) would be equal to 0 when the delay is off (so that you only get the last 1,6 seconds of sound when you switch it on). Then everytime you detect silence you wait for 0,8 seconds and you send messages to both the output switch (ramp up from 0 to 1) and the feedback (ramp from 0 to whatever suits your needs). Also, i would turn the delay off automatically after a fixed period of time (depending on the feedback level) to make sure that the echo will be off when a new sound occurs. Hope this helps... Pierre 2011/3/28 Stefan Magnusson stefan.magnus...@gmail.com Hi! I only want the effect to kick in after a certain amount of silence (where silence is defined as amplitude zero) so that does not interferer when there is continuous sound. Clear enough? /Stefan On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Stefan, I'm sorry i didn't get your first requirement Starts when there has been no sound for 0,8 seconds. Could you be a little more specific? If you need to have a strong control over the echo i think you should probably use tables instead of delay lines, because you can write and read to an from a table at any moment and at any point in the table. Pierre ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for papers and workshops: Pure Data Convention 2011
aah.. :) alright then sorry if it caused some panic... should have specified the time zone :) best, M On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.comwrote: mm, from the website: ~ Calls for Papers and workshops Please submit papers to the openconf Deadline for abstracts: March 28, 2011 Yeah, I know that. It's Mar 27th where I am. :D greetings from Central Standard Time--f'n snow, I thought we were done with that til next year Please send an extended version of your abstract (1 page or 500 words) ~ The call for music will be still open for some time. M On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: Yer gonna make me panic. Seriously? On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.comwrote: 2h 20' from now! :) yeah... How many hours left??? -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] EXTENDED DEADLINE Was: Call for papers and workshops: Pure Data Convention 2011
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The committee has decided to extend the deadline to the 10th of April 24:00h (UTS +2) Greetings from Sydney, Max Am 28.03.2011 um 23:24 schrieb Marco Donnarumma: aah.. :) alright then sorry if it caused some panic... should have specified the time zone :) best, M On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com wrote: mm, from the website: ~ Calls for Papers and workshops Please submit papers to the openconf Deadline for abstracts: March 28, 2011 Yeah, I know that. It's Mar 27th where I am. :D greetings from Central Standard Time--f'n snow, I thought we were done with that til next year Please send an extended version of your abstract (1 page or 500 words) ~ The call for music will be still open for some time. M On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: Yer gonna make me panic. Seriously? On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com wrote: 2h 20' from now! :) yeah... How many hours left??? -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAk2QiXkACgkQ3EB7kzgMM6LIZACeLWyF5/pfwuTzYbdJf4EzIduc 9u0An1uY6dI34io8BvYbDErRqS6f6Lzr =LGMM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] deadline for the PdCon 2011 Call for Papers extended
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Re: [PD] maths and music
Is this sound engineered in Pd? If yes - I find it excellent. - GeorgeKer http://tinyurl.com/georgeker path_to_san...@joindiaspora.com - On 24 March 2011 18:42, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, ronald kuivila wrote: Music for 88 is a series of piano pieces that are quite charming. I particlarly like 88's, which simply a series of ways to playing all 88 notes on the piano once. (In the score, the first iteration is presented followed by an ellipsis. with the overall breakdown of notes represented as a simple factoring, i.e. 4 * 22, (5 +3) * 11) Ah, btw, I didn't know Tom Johnson's work, but just like him, I composed something revolving around Pascal's triangle. I made it last spring. Here is the full recording : http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial_version_trois.mp3 ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] maths and music
I think it's very hard to succeed in engineering such a sound in Pd from scratch. Anyway, thanks for the share! - GeorgeKer http://tinyurl.com/georgeker path_to_san...@joindiaspora.com - On 25 March 2011 03:18, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, George Ker wrote: If yes - I find it excellent. And what if it isn't ? What do you think it is made with, when you listen to it ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] patch dans patch (5ième partie)
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Pd mandala... :) nice work, each time it gets more interesting. Do you have a gallery of this screens, which I could link to from my blog? Currently, there is http://gridflow.ca/gallery/ but it also includes all my other screenshots, images and videos that are unrelated to this series, plus a few other GridFlow things made by other people. I «plan» to make a page with thumbnails and categories for those, but don't hold your breath. I «planned» to rewrite my personal homepage two years ago and it still hasn't happened. ;) ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] patch dans patch (5ième partie)
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, chr wrote: great-code-art !!! More coming soon. This series is several weeks old even though I posted it only this friday night, and in the meantime I had already started a new series. You will see that it's completely different again. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] patch dans patch (5ième partie)
one of my favourites: http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_8.png I might try some myself! On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, chr wrote: great-code-art !!! More coming soon. This series is several weeks old even though I posted it only this friday night, and in the meantime I had already started a new series. You will see that it's completely different again. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] current Pd in autobuild
On Mar 12, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Charles Goyard wrote: Hi, András Murányi wrote: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.0-extended-ubuntu-lucid-amd64.deband Error in startup script: couldn't read file /usr/lib/pd/tcl//pd- gui.tcl: no such file or directory I got the same error, took me some time to understand. At the moment you can cd to the lib/pd-extended/bin directory and run ./pd Don't forget to switch/remove your .pdextended/.pdrc file. By lurking on pd-dev I understood there's a bit of reorganization going on pd-extended git these days. Yeah, I guess that stuff is currently a mess. You can start Pd- extended 0.43 using /usr/lib/pd-extended/bin/pd, like Charles said. .hc If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Netsend or OSC
Hey, I'm trying to send some msd data over [netsend] using two instances of Pd on the same machine. I keep getting: 'netsend blocked n msec' messages Should I persevere or get into OSC now? Cheers, Jb ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] access to pd table from another application
Hey Is there a way for pd to expose it's tables to another application and have both applications able to modify the table. For instance I would like to make a graphical interface to a patch using juce. I would like to be able to draw something in a graph in juce and have the table in pd instantly(as fast as drawing on a graph in pd) update. Would I have to compile the juce program as an external? Or is there a way for them to both read and write to the same data without compiling as an external? My programming skills are a bit rusty but I would like to get back to programming. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd latency on puredyne 9.10 with Nvidia HDA
On 3/28/11, yvan volochine yvan...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/28/2011 01:22 AM, Billy Stiltner wrote: I actually tried a smaller patch on both ubuntu studio 10.10 as well as puredyne 9.10. On both systems the audio was flawless using a 6ms buffer in pd. So there is nothing wrong with my audio setup. But still the larger patch that runs fine on windows with 50ms buffer will not run without glitching with jack on either linux system. There is a difference in gem's default video codec between linux and windows. However I have tried the patch without even loading gem. What else could be the difference between linux and windows with pd? not with pd but there certainly are some differences in how the OS handles your hardware. IIUC you're getting into troubles as soon as the graphics are involved in your patch ? your internal soundcard is Nvidia as well as your graphic card, therefore my idea of trying with an external soundcard so Nvidia chip takes care of graphics only (not sure if that makes sense, coffee mode here). anyway, I wouldn't trust Nvidia for anything else than graphics but maybe that's just me 0.02 € _y yvan, thanks for the suggestion. I will have to try that. I noticed that both my sound card and SATA controller are both on IRQ 23 with Puredyne. This is not so with windows. Possibly this explains the problem. Allthough the glitching occurs when no file writing is happening the patch does prepare some files to be written to at startup. The SATA controller is managed by Nvidia as well as the sound card. The audio chip(realtek) is separate from the Video and pci controller. I have not seen mention of the Realtek drivers for linux. So I will try to find out how to get Linux to use a differen't IRQ for the SATA controller and see if that does the trick. I don't think the BIOS allows for manually setting the IRQs of PCI devices but does offer the reserving of IRQs or assigning them to ISA devices. This discussion is getting off topic of PD but I would really like to use PD with Linux on this machine. I'm probably better off deleting the linux partitions though. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd latency on puredyne 9.10 with Nvidia HDA
Billy, Did you try the recent rtirq deamon script? There was a recent update this month. Do you have problems just with PD? And pd without gui? Hope you find the solution! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] patch dans patch (5ième partie)
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, ALAN BROOKER wrote: one of my favourites: http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_8.png I might try some myself! Ok, well, something you may want to know is that GridFlow 9.14 has [#see 1], which uses a file buffer instead of streaming the pixels through the socket. It's tremendously faster, but it's not the default yet, as it's still experimental. I might remove the argument later when the file buffer becomes the default. Maybe this will happen before the 9.14 release. All the patch_dans_patch use [#see 1]. It's especially important for displaying large images : the speed ratio (compared to just [#see]) increases with image size (!!!). I use [#see 1, margins 0 0 0 0] in the last series, to remove the border and make the inlet/outlet invisible. There is no Properties-dialogue, and properties are only saved if you write them directly in the objectbox when you create the object (otherwise you need to [loadbang] them). ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Kinect Hacking at the last NYC Pd Patching Circle
William Brent was coming to town this month so we moved it a little later in the month to Sunday, March 27. A few of us had Kinect cameras so we explored the new [pix_kinect] to get the depth camera, then used the OSCeleton stuff to build an instrument. In this video you can see William's patch in action with Ralf from Amsterdam as the performer. http://vimeo.com/21627710 .hc I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] access to pd table from another application
Sounds like something that would be best done in C or C++. Since JUCE is already C++, then might as well stay with C++, right? Then just look at any of the tab* objects to see how to read tables. .hc On Mar 28, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Billy Stiltner wrote: Hey Is there a way for pd to expose it's tables to another application and have both applications able to modify the table. For instance I would like to make a graphical interface to a patch using juce. I would like to be able to draw something in a graph in juce and have the table in pd instantly(as fast as drawing on a graph in pd) update. Would I have to compile the juce program as an external? Or is there a way for them to both read and write to the same data without compiling as an external? My programming skills are a bit rusty but I would like to get back to programming. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list