Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite test builds

[adrian.g]

Ok, I think the problem was that I was trying to run pd as root. When I run it 
as normal user its all fine!! :D 
Thanks!

Adrian 

 On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:37:21 -0700 Hans-Christoph Steiner  
wrote  

 > Strange, perhaps a bug in Tcl/Tk 8.5.3. I've only been using 8.5.6, 
 > 8.5.7, and various 8.4 versions. Try this from the terminal: 
 >  
 > wish pd-gui.tcl 
 >  
 > .hc 
 >  
 > On Sep 17, 2009, at 11:30 AM, adrian.g wrote: 
 >  
 > > HI. I have some problem here running the Pd-GUI-Rewrite on Fedora 10 
 > > with Planet CCRMA. PD starts for a moment, I can see the main window 
 > > appearing for a split second and then it quits. 
 > > In the Terminal I get this: 
 > > 
 > > priority 98 scheduling enabled. 
 > > sh: ../bin/pd-watchdog: No such file or directory 
 > > priority 96 scheduling enabled. 
 > > ---pd- 
 > > gui.tcl--- 
 > > check_for_running_instances 1 5400 
 > > Tcl library: /usr/share/tcl8.5 
 > > executable: /usr/bin/wish 
 > > tclversion: 8.5 
 > > patchlevel: 8.5.3 
 > > sharedlibextension: .so 
 > > -- pdtk_pd_startup  
 > > version: Pd version 0.43-0hcs0 
 > > 
 > > audio_apis: {OSS 2} {ALSA 1} {portaudio 4} 
 > > midi_apis: {default-MIDI 2} {ALSA-MIDI 1} 
 > > sys_font: Courier 
 > > sys_fontweight: normal 
 > > pd: watchdog process died 
 > > DEFAULT FONT: Liberation Mono 
 > > WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (Liberation 
 > > Mono) 
 > > [r...@xuxu src]# audio OSS 
 > > audio ALSA 
 > > audio portaudio 
 > > midi default-MIDI 
 > > midi ALSA-MIDI 
 > > pdtk_canvas_getscroll .pdwindow 
 > > pdtk_canvas_getscroll .pdwindow 
 > > pdtk_canvas_getscroll .pdwindow 
 > >  
 > > Load all plugins in /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup: 
 > > /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/object_db.tcl 
 > > /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/set_custom_stored_histories.tcl 
 > > /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/addmypatchstomedia.tcl 
 > > /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/file_associations.tcl 
 > > /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/meters_default_on.tcl 
 > > /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/insertintopopup.tcl 
 > >  
 > > -- done with main -- 
 > > set_menu_new_dir .pdwindow 
 > > 
 > > If anybody has an idea of what might be going on, pleas help. 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > Adrian 
 > > 
 > >  On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:25:28 -0700 Jonathan Wilkes 
 > >  > > wrote  
 > > 
 > >> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote: 
 > >> 
 > >>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner  
 > >>> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite test builds 
 > >>> To: "Jonathan Wilkes"  
 > >>> Cc: g...@itchybit.org, "PD List"  
 > >>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 12:43 AM 
 > >>> 
 > >>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: 
 > >>>> I think this is unrelated to the fact that carriage 
 > >>> returns aren't 
 > >>>> saved with the patch; if you're entering lots of 
 > >>> messages followed by 
 > >>>> semicolons, you still need to hit  to get 
 > >>> to the next line, and 
 > >>>> that's where the quirky behavior comes in. 
 > >>>> 
 > >>>> -Jonathan 
 > >>> 
 > >>> The carriage returns get stripped when saved to the 
 > >>> file. It is annoying for sure. 
 > >> 
 > >> Yes, but what I mean is if this quirky behavior is easily fixable, 
 > >> it's 
 > >> still useful even though carriage returns don't get saved with the 
 > >> patch. 
 > >> Currently,  is mainly used in a msg box after typing a 
 > >> semicolon, 
 > >> and when the patch gets loaded a cr is added after the semicolon. So 
 > >> if a new line would be started after the user types  
 > >> (instead of 
 > >> after the *next* character is entered) it would look like Pd is doing 
 > >> the right thing in 90% of the cases where you use a carriage return 
 > >> in 
 > >> a msg box. 
 > >> 
 > >> Oh, something related to cr's: it's currently difficult to click 
 > >> the right spot in multi-line comments in pd-ext: 
 > >> 
 > >> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2812603&group_id=55736&atid=478070
 > >>  
 > >> 
 > >> This isn't a problem in current version of pd-vanilla. 
 > >> 
 > >> -Jonathan 
 > >> 
 > >>> 
 > >>> 
 > >>> .hc 
 > >>> 
 > >> 
 > >> 
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite test builds

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 HI. I have some problem here running the Pd-GUI-Rewrite on Fedora 10 with 
Planet CCRMA. PD starts for a moment, I can see the main window appearing for a 
split second and then it quits. 
In the Terminal I get this:

priority 98 scheduling enabled.
sh: ../bin/pd-watchdog: No such file or directory
priority 96 scheduling enabled.
---pd-gui.tcl---
check_for_running_instances 1 5400
Tcl library: /usr/share/tcl8.5
executable: /usr/bin/wish
tclversion: 8.5
patchlevel: 8.5.3
sharedlibextension: .so
-- pdtk_pd_startup 
version: Pd version 0.43-0hcs0

audio_apis:  {OSS 2} {ALSA 1} {portaudio 4} 
midi_apis:  {default-MIDI 2} {ALSA-MIDI 1} 
sys_font: Courier
sys_fontweight: normal
pd: watchdog process died
DEFAULT FONT: Liberation Mono
WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (Liberation Mono)
[r...@xuxu src]# audio OSS
audio ALSA
audio portaudio
midi default-MIDI
midi ALSA-MIDI
pdtk_canvas_getscroll .pdwindow
pdtk_canvas_getscroll .pdwindow
pdtk_canvas_getscroll .pdwindow

Load all plugins in /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup:
  /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/object_db.tcl
  /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/set_custom_stored_histories.tcl
  /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/addmypatchstomedia.tcl
  /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/file_associations.tcl
  /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/meters_default_on.tcl
  /home/xuxu/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/insertintopopup.tcl

-- done with main --
set_menu_new_dir .pdwindow

If anybody has an idea of what might be going on, pleas help.


Adrian

 On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:25:28 -0700 Jonathan Wilkes  
wrote  

 > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote: 
 >  
 > > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner  
 > > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite test builds 
 > > To: "Jonathan Wilkes"  
 > > Cc: g...@itchybit.org, "PD List"  
 > > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 12:43 AM 
 > > 
 > > On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: 
 > > > I think this is unrelated to the fact that carriage 
 > > returns aren't 
 > > > saved with the patch; if you're entering lots of 
 > > messages followed by 
 > > > semicolons, you still need to hit  to get 
 > > to the next line, and 
 > > > that's where the quirky behavior comes in. 
 > > > 
 > > > -Jonathan 
 > > 
 > > The carriage returns get stripped when saved to the 
 > > file.  It is annoying for sure. 
 >  
 > Yes, but what I mean is if this quirky behavior is easily fixable, it's 
 > still useful even though carriage returns don't get saved with the patch. 
 > Currently,  is mainly used in a msg box after typing a semicolon, 
 > and when the patch gets loaded a cr is added after the semicolon. So 
 > if a new line would be started after the user types  (instead of 
 > after the *next* character is entered) it would look like Pd is doing 
 > the right thing in 90% of the cases where you use a carriage return in 
 > a msg box. 
 >  
 > Oh, something related to cr's: it's currently difficult to click 
 > the right spot in multi-line comments in pd-ext: 
 >  
 > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2812603&group_id=55736&atid=478070
 >  
 >  
 > This isn't a problem in current version of pd-vanilla. 
 >  
 > -Jonathan 
 >  
 > > 
 > > 
 > > .hc 
 > > 
 >  
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Re: [PD] video interviews from Montreal online

[adrian.g]

 I vote for compressing the vids to :)
Takes ages to download a couple of minutes of an interview.
Cheers

Adrian Gierakowski


 On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:31:25 -0700 João Pais  
wrote  

 > Hi, 
 >  
 > this looks nice, but do you think it would pay off to put less bulky 
 > formats online? Only the videos for Puckette take around 3Gb, I think 
 > (don't remember anymore). Is the high quality really necessary? 
 >  
 > > I finally made arrangements to edit and post most of the interviews 
 > > Kevin and I collected in Montreal and elsewhere through my 
 > > university's webiste. These include Miller, Hans, Chun, Bouchard, 
 > > Roman, and Frank. Selecting one of the names will produce a menu of 
 > > short videos on specific topics. 
 > > 
 > > http://www.sewanee.edu/pd 
 > > 
 > > There are interviews from Yves and Alejandre, documentation of 
 > > performances and artworks from Montreal as well as interviews with 
 > > Claude and Ed from Janualry 2008 in London yet to edit and post. Some 
 > > of that may be available Monday or Tuesday next week. 
 > > 
 > > I only conducted a few interviews in Montreal so this documentation is 
 > > in no way comprehensive but is hopefully useful for teaching and 
 > > thinking about where PD has been and where it is going. 
 > > 
 > > some of the videos may take a few minutes to load and I am probably 
 > > going to relocate the videos to another site sometime in the future 
 > > 
 > > sorry it took so long to get this much of it done. feedback is 
 > > welcome- I am currently away from home with limited e-mail this week. 
 > > 
 > > greg 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
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Re: [PD] programming resources C\C++ to learn how to write externals for pd

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  I am grateful for the tips. Just one question: is there any performance 
penalty for externals written using C++\flext comparing to pure C?

All the best. 

Adrian 

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 > for dsp code examples: 
 > http://www.musicdsp.org/ 
 >  
 > Cheers, 
 >  
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Re: [PD] programming resources CC++ to learn how to write externals for pd

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Thank you for that. I was asking more about resources for learning C\C++ 
languages themselves keeping in mind that "writing DSP externals for pd" is my 
end goal. 
Any suggestions?

Adrian Gierakowski

 On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:45:22 -0700 Jaime Oliver  
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 > check:
 > 
 > http://iem.kug.ac.at/pd/externals-HOWTO/
 > 
 > 
 > and also /doc/6.externs 
 > 
 > 
 > cheers,
 > 
 > 
 >  J
 > 
 > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:31 AM, adrian.g  wrote:
 >   Hi. I am looking for some resources for learning CC++ programming in a 
 > context of DSP (I'd like to be able to write pd externals some time in the 
 > future).
 >  
 >  I have recently finished reading "The Scientist and Engineer's Guide to 
 > Digital Signal Processing" and I managed to go through half of the Addison 
 > Wesley's "C++ Primer 4th Edition" (and I'll probably keep reading it), but I 
 > feel that it would be good to learn more in a context of what I am really 
 > interested in.
 >  
 >  The exercises in the C++ Primer are very dry and the examples in The 
 > Scientist and Engineer's Guide are all in BASIC (I could probably try to 
 > rewrite them in C++ as an exercise). Could anybody show me the light and 
 > point me to some books, or online resources (tutorials, bits of code easy to 
 > comprehend by a beginner) that could help me achieving my goal?
 >  
 >  ps
 >  I was just wondering if I should start from learning C and then go to C++ 
 > or just learn C++ and then learn bits of C along the way?
 >  
 >  Thanks for reading this!! :)
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[PD] programming resources C\C++ to learn how to write externals for pd

[adrian.g]

 Hi. I am looking for some resources for learning C\C++ programming in a 
context of DSP (I'd like to be able to write pd externals some time in the 
future). 

I have recently finished reading "The Scientist and Engineer's Guide to Digital 
Signal Processing" and I managed to go through half of the Addison Wesley's 
"C++ Primer 4th Edition" (and I'll probably keep reading it), but I feel that 
it would be good to learn more in a context of what I am really interested in. 

The exercises in the C++ Primer are very dry and the examples in The Scientist 
and Engineer's Guide are all in BASIC (I could probably try to rewrite them in 
C++ as an exercise). Could anybody show me the light and point me to some 
books, or online resources (tutorials, bits of code easy to comprehend by a 
beginner) that could help me achieving my goal? 

ps
I was just wondering if I should start from learning C and then go to C++ or 
just learn C++ and then learn bits of C along the way?

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Re: [PD] pd-extended on Fedora 10

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 On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:01:53 -0700 Jeff Sandys  wrote 
 

  
 > I didn't get the error messages about xmms and mysqlclient15 with this 
 > method, you may want to try installing xmms-devel instead of xmms-dev ... 

Thanks! The xmms-devel worked fine, but still no luck with mysqlclient15-devel 
nor mysqlclient15-dev. I even search for mysqlclient packages on Fedora website 
but they only have mysqlclient14 and 10 and only for fedora 9 and 7. Would it 
be fine to use version 14 for f9 instead? 


 > Yes. Just download the file and install per the instructions at: 
 >  http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html 
 > except change the tar and cd commands to match the file name. 
 >  
 > The text size is OK in 41.4-extended-rc4 and if you use the prefix option 
 > as listed you won't overwrite the PlanetCCRMA PD 39.3 version. 

I think I did follow similar instructions when installing pd-extended last 
time, only without the prefix option. 
Btw. I don't have the CCRMA version installed. At the moment I have pd-vanilla 
from Millers website installed in usr\local so I guess I should install the 
extended version somewhere else. I just don't quite get this:

   "you need to always start Pd in its bin dir with ./pd in order for it to 
find all its stuff"

does it mean I need to cd to pd's bin directory and type ./pd in the terminal 
to start it?

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Re: [PD] pd-extended on Fedora 10

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 I'll go ahead and try that :) Do you have any idea which externals are using 
the xmms-dev and mysqlclient15-dev packages since I wasn't able to get them 
installed on my system? Also, I already have pd vanilla 0.42.5 and some 
externals installed on the system and I would like to keep it separate from the 
pd-extended (the libs and the preferences). What would be the best way to do 
that? Thanks for your help!

Adrian Gierakowski

 On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:37:40 -0700 Hans-Christoph Steiner  
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 > Your best bet is probably to compile it yourself.  I don't know anything 
 > about Fedora in particular tho...
 > 
 > 
 > .hc
 > 
 > On Jun 29, 2009, at 7:07 AM, adrian.g wrote:
 > 
 >   Hi everybody, 
 >  I was just wandering if the pd-extended for Fedora 9/PlanetCCRMA would be 
 > compatible with Fedora 10PlanetCCRMA? 
 > I've just installed Pd-0.42.5-extended-planetccrma9-i386.tar.bz2 from the 
 > nightly builds section on my Fedora 10 and pd starts, but I can't manage to 
 > load external libraries (Gem, pmpd etc.). I also tried the official 0.41.4 
 > release with the same (or even worse) result. Also in both cases there is no 
 > help browser and the object boxes were displayed to small and the text was 
 > sticking out. Is this somehiw related to tclk version? (mine are 
 > tk-8.5.3-5.fc10.i386 and tcl-8.5.3-1.fc10.i386). 
 >  Another thing: while installing packeges listed at 
 > http://puredata.info/docs/developer/Fedora, I got a message that xmms-dev 
 > and mysqlclient15-dev couldn't be found in Fedora nor CCRMA repos. Could 
 > that be a source of some problems or would it only matter if I wanted to 
 > compile things from source? Is there any way to obtain this packages for 
 > F10? 
 > 
 > all the best!!
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[PD] pd-extended on Fedora 10

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Hi everybody, 
 I was just wandering if the pd-extended for Fedora 9/PlanetCCRMA would be 
compatible with Fedora 10PlanetCCRMA? 
I've just installed Pd-0.42.5-extended-planetccrma9-i386.tar.bz2 from the 
nightly builds section on my Fedora 10 and pd starts, but I can't manage to 
load external libraries (Gem, pmpd etc.). I also tried the official 0.41.4 
release with the same (or even worse) result. Also in both cases there is no 
help browser and the object boxes were displayed to small and the text was 
sticking out. Is this somehiw related to tcl\tk version? (mine are 
tk-8.5.3-5.fc10.i386 and tcl-8.5.3-1.fc10.i386). 
 Another thing: while installing packeges listed at 
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/Fedora, I got a message that xmms-dev and 
mysqlclient15-dev couldn't be found in Fedora nor CCRMA repos. Could that be a 
source of some problems or would it only matter if I wanted to compile things 
from source? Is there any way to obtain this packages for F10? 

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Re: [PD] OT : Ubuntu/Fedora opinions (relative to Pd, of course)

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Hi. I installed F10 recently + Planet CCRMA real time kernel with no problems. 
It took me a while to figure out how to install nvidia GPU drivers to be able 
to use native resolution of my monitor and hardware 3D acceleration but except 
for that everything works out of the box. The only problem with audio is that 
PULSAUDIO doesn't see my HDMI audio output, only the analog one. There is a 
(not perfect) way to fix that (and I read that the new pulseaudio update will 
solve the problem properly) but I can just use the analog out and for music 
software I can use my Saffire (works with jack+ffado) or Photon x25 (works out 
of the box). I only compiled the latest PD vanilla on this system but I think 
there is also a binary of pd-exended available to download from puredata.info
For the Ubuntu studio I have to say that I don't have any personal 
experience but I've been watching their mailing list and it seems that a lot of 
people are having problems with the 9.04 + real time kernel. If you want to 
work with audio then I think is better to go with Hardy.
I definitely reccomend F10 and if could share my experience with getting the 
graphics card drivers with the CCRMA kernel if you encounter any problems.

all the best

Adrian G

 On Sun, 10 May 2009 20:26:31 -0700 Lao Yu 
 wrote  

Hi, 
 
since the release of F9 I look at the audio part of Linux - I 
personally find it a complete disaster and 'user-hostile' to be 
polite. Many on this list are software specialists, so please don't 
look down on someone who doesn't want to follow 3 pages of 
instructions of how to make pulse audio work 'on top of' ALSA - 
especially if there are follow-ups on the relevant forums that they 
still don't have any signal output. 
My laptop currently runs F9 (or WinXP) and works is an mp3 player, 
full stop. From posts on the fedora list I understand that my 
situation is even better than many others who don't even get that to 
work. 
My question is, how does Ubuntu studio compare to Fedora? Before I 
start doctoring with my laptop and install Ubuntu 9.04 instead of F9 
I'm scratching my head. 
Thanks for any comments. 
 
Best 
Jurgen 
 
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