Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
Le 2011-10-14 à 17:39:00, martin brinkmann a écrit : improved version of my 1st one (got rid of the lame random), another feedback-based, and a fm-tuningfork with echo. I like the stereo of mnb_mininoise1a.pd and I also like how mnb_mininoise3quak.pd seems to be making chord-like and arpège-like things. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds /Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut.
Le 2011-10-19 à 02:49:00, glerm soares a écrit : http://soundcloud.com/organismo/yupana-sementeira-biohacker To all Pd users, With love. neat :) __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
Le 2011-10-14 à 14:49:00, hardoff goes bananas a écrit : more objects now, but actually sounding somewhat like a dance track I like to modify those things so that they use rhythm ratios like 7/4 or 7/8 as superpositions (but then I'm a Magma / King Crimson fan in terminal phase...). __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
On 10/19/2011 07:56 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Something like ((y^128)-128)/128. and some output filtering to eliminate frequencies above 1/2 of 8 khz. i have just added a few lop~, and i think it sounds quite close now. bis denn! martin #N canvas 101 287 793 443 10; #X obj -61 410 dac~; #X obj -58 113 rpole~ 1; #X msg -95 56 set 0; #X obj -59 85 sig~ 0.181405; #X obj -58 141 expr~ int($v1); #X text 44 146 counter 2 int; #X text -49 55 reset counter; #X text -3 114 counter; #X text 34 87 increment for about 8 khz rate; #X text -159 3 pd implementation of viznuts and bemmus 'one line of code symphonies' presentetd on countercomplex.blogspot.com.; #X obj -55 382 *~ 0.5; #X obj -55 339 lop~ 4000; #X obj -54 361 lop~ 4000; #X obj -55 316 lop~ 4000; #X text 10 343 filter frequencies above 4 khz; #X text -138 185 code here -; #X text 158 281 putchar \, conversion 2 unsigend char; #X text 258 26 some nice formulas:; #X text 255 48 expr~ $v16$v1($v1*$v114)+4095$v1; #X text 254 64 expr~ $v1($v14)3$v17; #X text 255 81 expr~ $v1($v17)|($v14); #X text 255 99 expr~ $v1696969*(sin($v110)); #X text 256 118 expr~ $v1(cos($v1($v17)))|($v18)|($v151|$v132) ; #X text 256 136 expr~ $v14|$v234(($v1*1.5)($v17)); #X obj -56 282 expr~ ((($v10xff)^0x80)-128)/128; #X text 259 10 expr~ $v1*(($v112|$v18)63$v14); #X text 494 9 default; #X obj -59 185 expr~ $v14|$v234(($v1*1.5)($v17)); #X connect 1 0 4 0; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 3 0 1 0; #X connect 4 0 27 0; #X connect 10 0 0 0; #X connect 10 0 0 1; #X connect 11 0 12 0; #X connect 12 0 10 0; #X connect 13 0 11 0; #X connect 24 0 13 0; #X connect 27 0 24 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
yeah that sounds just like it now! good stuff martin. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:36 AM, martin brinkmann m...@martin-brinkmann.dewrote: On 10/19/2011 07:56 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Something like ((y^128)-128)/128. and some output filtering to eliminate frequencies above 1/2 of 8 khz. i have just added a few lop~, and i think it sounds quite close now. bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
On 10/18/2011 03:36 AM, hardoff goes bananas wrote: the main dilemma here is that the patch runs at normal samplerate and bitrate. lower samplerates are possible with smaller numbers as input for the counter, and rounding to int i think to get the sound close to the original code examples, you're going to have to somehow force the calculations all to be done with 8bit floats, rather than pd's internal 32 bit (or whatever) I still can't get my head around how to do that. i got it a little closer to the original after applying 0xff like in the javascript on the site, and dividing by 256 (instead of scaling by 256 to fit into short), maybe there is still a lsb/msb issue though. bis denn! martin #N canvas 206 341 444 273 10; #X obj -64 239 dac~; #X obj -62 92 rpole~ 1; #X msg 29 65 set 0; #X obj -60 207 hip~ 10; #X obj -59 179 expr~ ($v1*(($v112|$v18)63$v14) 0xff) / 256 ; #X obj -60 145 -~; #X obj -37 120 wrap~; #X obj -63 64 sig~ 0.181405; #X text -83 -13 pd implementation of the method presented by 'viznut' on the countercomplex-blog. now with (proper?) 'typeconversion' and scaling and about 8 khz samplingrate; #X connect 1 0 6 0; #X connect 1 0 5 0; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 3 0 0 1; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X connect 5 0 4 0; #X connect 6 0 5 1; #X connect 7 0 1 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
nice!! i did try the samplerate thing, but without your 0xff and /256 additions, it was sounding awful. this sounds pretty rad now. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:39 PM, martin brinkmann m...@martin-brinkmann.dewrote: On 10/18/2011 03:36 AM, hardoff goes bananas wrote: the main dilemma here is that the patch runs at normal samplerate and bitrate. lower samplerates are possible with smaller numbers as input for the counter, and rounding to int i think to get the sound close to the original code examples, you're going to have to somehow force the calculations all to be done with 8bit floats, rather than pd's internal 32 bit (or whatever) I still can't get my head around how to do that. i got it a little closer to the original after applying 0xff like in the javascript on the site, and dividing by 256 (instead of scaling by 256 to fit into short), maybe there is still a lsb/msb issue though. bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
by the way, you can replace the wrap~ and minus objects with [expr~ int($v1)] not that it really matters... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds /Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut.
Le 2011-10-17 à 20:59:00, TAD BISAHA a écrit : What is this Bouchardise(french confectionery from Apt)?? I had to Google it. You mean « from the Alps » ? I didn't know anything was named Bouchard that far east (a vast majority of people with last name Bouchard live outside of France). Anyway, Google doesn't find anything about confectionery. before honouring you with insulting purposes? Huh, how did Guilhermo insult you ? PS: And for the guys who think that the french spoken is the french native langage. What does that mean ? A good meaning from Gascogne.: -Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut. Again, I had to google it to figure out what it means. I must add that this proverb is not true when the donkey has only one hair left. ;) __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds /Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut.
BONJOUR!!! Alps or Apt ??? Minor problems of reading perhaps? Forget Google take Pages blanches (a vast majority of people with last name Bouchard live outside of France) Vous me décevez, Monsieur Bouchard, d'habitude, vous manipulez mieux les chiffres (et certains esprits faibles). A vast majority of people with last name Dupont live outside of France... (We are only 60 Millions). And for the rest, you have a real problem of reading: tadbis...@gmail.com and not on this list, it's not a Pd subject! And you don't call Soares, no? Is he a teenager? I like the end of your mail. Je ne sais pas votre dicton, mais le Gascon avec l'accent est savoureux. Au plaisir Tad Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : Le 2011-10-17 à 20:59:00, TAD BISAHA a écrit : What is this Bouchardise(french confectionery from Apt)?? I had to Google it. You mean « from the Alps » ? I didn't know anything was named Bouchard that far east (a vast majority of people with last name Bouchard live outside of France). Anyway, Google doesn't find anything about confectionery. before honouring you with insulting purposes? Huh, how did Guilhermo insult you ? PS: And for the guys who think that the french spoken is the french native langage. What does that mean ? A good meaning from Gascogne.: -Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut. Again, I had to google it to figure out what it means. I must add that this proverb is not true when the donkey has only one hair left. ;) __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds /Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut.
I think you are misunderstanding Soares' reponse Tad. When you hit the reply to all in Gmail it puts the last user's e-mail in the To: box, which was you. I don't think he was trying to insult you at all, or even direct that comment at you Maybe I'm wrong, Tyler On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:10 PM, TAD BISAHA tadbis...@gmail.com wrote: BONJOUR!!! Alps or Apt ??? Minor problems of reading perhaps? Forget Google take Pages blanches (a vast majority of people with last name Bouchard live outside of France) Vous me décevez, Monsieur Bouchard, d'habitude, vous manipulez mieux les chiffres (et certains esprits faibles). A vast majority of people with last name Dupont live outside of France... (We are only 60 Millions). And for the rest, you have a real problem of reading: tadbis...@gmail.com and not on this list, it's not a Pd subject! And you don't call Soares, no? Is he a teenager? I like the end of your mail. Je ne sais pas votre dicton, mais le Gascon avec l'accent est savoureux. Au plaisir Tad Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : Le 2011-10-17 à 20:59:00, TAD BISAHA a écrit : What is this Bouchardise(french confectionery from Apt)?? I had to Google it. You mean « from the Alps » ? I didn't know anything was named Bouchard that far east (a vast majority of people with last name Bouchard live outside of France). Anyway, Google doesn't find anything about confectionery. before honouring you with insulting purposes? Huh, how did Guilhermo insult you ? PS: And for the guys who think that the french spoken is the french native langage. What does that mean ? A good meaning from Gascogne.: -Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut. Again, I had to google it to figure out what it means. I must add that this proverb is not true when the donkey has only one hair left. ;) __**__** __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds /Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut.
http://soundcloud.com/organismo/yupana-sementeira-biohacker To all Pd users, With love. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds /Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut.
hi tad, I liked your clock. I was not beeing sarcastic about your work. I was just beeing Cagean about computer music. No offense. Do you like John Cage? I love him. Big hug, bye abraço, glerm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
Le 2011-10-18 à 16:39:00, martin brinkmann a écrit : i got it a little closer to the original after applying 0xff like in the javascript on the site, and dividing by 256 (instead of scaling by 256 to fit into short), maybe there is still a lsb/msb issue though. 0xff is what putchar() does automatically in the C version. Let's call «y» the result of 0xff : y/256 makes the output range from 0 to almost 1. (y-128)/128 makes the output range from -1 to almost 1, which is how pd wants it. Then you might not need a [hip~] anymore. If the original track was made for signed 8-bit instead of unsigned 8-bit, you have further processing to do, to make it sound correct. Something like ((y^128)-128)/128. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
On 16/10/2011 03:19, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: [...] About this, I have an anecdote : I went in a big IRC channel on FreeNode about C or C++, asking How brave of you :) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
Le 2011-10-17 à 10:29:00, Lorenzo Sutton a écrit : On 16/10/2011 03:19, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: [...] About this, I have an anecdote : I went in a big IRC channel on FreeNode about C or C++, asking How brave of you :) It's not being brave, it's a waste of time. Oh well, not always. There are lots of people who know a lot stuff in there. But there was that guy who refused to answer a question because I was asking about C/C++ and he answered « C/C++ is not a language ! » as if I didn't mean two languages (???). And then there are people who will flame you for about 15 minutes if ever you state (in sample code) something that clashes with a library that THEY use. But then, even that feels like a warm welcome compared to ##politics... it's all relative. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
On Oct 17, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-10-17 à 10:29:00, Lorenzo Sutton a écrit : On 16/10/2011 03:19, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: [...] About this, I have an anecdote : I went in a big IRC channel on FreeNode about C or C++, asking How brave of you :) It's not being brave, it's a waste of time. Oh well, not always. There are lots of people who know a lot stuff in there. But there was that guy who refused to answer a question because I was asking about C/C++ and he answered « C/C++ is not a language ! » as if I didn't mean two languages (???). And then there are people who will flame you for about 15 minutes if ever you state (in sample code) something that clashes with a library that THEY use. But then, even that feels like a warm welcome compared to ##politics... it's all relative. Yeah, the C rooms are pretty intense. Some old school, hardcore grumpy nerds there, they make us all look like children ;) .hc The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds /Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut.
Hi all, Nom de Dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperies de... What is this Bouchardise(french confectionery from Apt)?? My innocent joke (a joke is never completely innocent but ever dramatic) with 4'33 take a strange way...What a serious and dramatic non-act. What is this list? A guy send to you a message, without courtesy, and speak in the same message to another guy before honouring you with insulting purposes? Oh Mister Soares, if you find an instant of lucidity, thank for bringing me some precision about your motivations of this particular conflictual mail. And thank for not using my name anymore to ejaculate your sourness. I know, it is more really great to the kids to provide a public in their delinquency. It is easier for a defined circle, a mass, to judge in a great hurry without trying to understand, to exchange. But take my personnal address for that: tadbis...@gmail.com ou allez au diable. Sentence applies to those who would feel concerned by a sweltering desire to accompany mister Soares directly or indirectly in the same mislaying. Au plaisir Tad PS: And for the guys who think that the french spoken is the french native langage. A good meaning from Gascogne.: -Tira un péou a un asé sera tousten ostan pélut. glerm soares a écrit : ok. thanks matju for the comment, I got your point - it's very similar to what thought. About 4'33 I have I variation also; 0) Don't use a clock - try to measure the time with your time subective impression, 1 min) Close Puredata all the software, shut down the system, turn off computer. 2 min ) Get out the room you are now 3 min) Walk 4 min ) Stop walking 33') Think about it. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
On 10/16/2011 02:31 PM, hardoff goes bananas wrote: further condensing of martin's patch: that is probably the most compact version (of course only if expr counts as one object...) it sounds a little different from the message based version though, but this is probably only a matter of tweaking the samplerate. and it repeats after 100(?) seconds, while the first version should run for about a day. i have not tried to make the phasor much slower yet. and my version sounds still different from the c/js version, though quite similar. i think this might be caused by the type conversion to char. bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
2011/10/17 martin brinkmann m...@martin-brinkmann.de On 10/16/2011 02:31 PM, hardoff goes bananas wrote: further condensing of martin's patch: that is probably the most compact version (of course only if expr counts as one object...) it sounds a little different from the message based version though, but this is probably only a matter of tweaking the samplerate. and it repeats after 100(?) seconds, while the first version should run for about a day. i have not tried to make the phasor much slower yet. and my version sounds still different from the c/js version, though quite similar. i think this might be caused by the type conversion to char. bis denn! martin Hey, thanks for sharing this patch. It helped a lot to understand the math behind the original idea. :) BTW, all this thread sounds stimulating about understand DSP better... cheers, glerm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
yeah, i realize the limitations. i think i did try it with a slower phasor at first, but seemed to be getting compounded errors. here's a revision that should keep going ok until you get float rounding errors. i remembered that [rpole~ 1] can be used as a sample-by-sample accumulator (thanks to maelstorm for the tip on that! really handy trick! see here: http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-6194-sample-played-automated-varying-speed-detect-completion ) the main dilemma here is that the patch runs at normal samplerate and bitrate. i think to get the sound close to the original code examples, you're going to have to somehow force the calculations all to be done with 8bit floats, rather than pd's internal 32 bit (or whatever) I still can't get my head around how to do that. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:35 AM, martin brinkmann m...@martin-brinkmann.dewrote: On 10/16/2011 02:31 PM, hardoff goes bananas wrote: further condensing of martin's patch: that is probably the most compact version (of course only if expr counts as one object...) it sounds a little different from the message based version though, but this is probably only a matter of tweaking the samplerate. and it repeats after 100(?) seconds, while the first version should run for about a day. i have not tried to make the phasor much slower yet. and my version sounds still different from the c/js version, though quite similar. i think this might be caused by the type conversion to char. bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list single_line_of_code_music-v.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
At 08:56 a.m. 14/10/2011, you wrote: On 14/10/11 14:44, tim vets wrote: John Cage's 4'33'' in one object I think it needs three, the environment is part of it! + the piece is in three movements! cheers, kristof -- http://soundcloud.com/kristof-lauwers http://kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net -- #N canvas 41 127 450 300 10; #X obj 301 102 adc~; #X obj 301 158 dac~; #X obj 62 117 del 33000; #X obj 62 141 del 143000; #X obj 62 174 del 10; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 0 1 1 1; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
but does the piece include the environment, or does it include the environment plus a replica of it through loudspeakers? 2011/10/16 kristof lauwers p...@kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net At 08:56 a.m. 14/10/2011, you wrote: On 14/10/11 14:44, tim vets wrote: John Cage's 4'33'' in one object I think it needs three, the environment is part of it! + the piece is in three movements! cheers, kristof --**--**-- http://soundcloud.com/kristof-**lauwershttp://soundcloud.com/kristof-lauwers http://kristoflauwers.**domainepublic.nethttp://kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net --**--**-- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
tim vets wrote: but does the piece include the environment, or does it include the environment plus a replica of it through loudspeakers? Since the loudspeakers are part of the environment, it would be very unadvised to play such a piece in presence of picky musicologists. This cause cause brains overheating ;). Cheers, Charlot ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
here's martin, is this the little tweak it needed? single_line_of_code_music-ii.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
further condensing of martin's patch: single_line_of_code_music-iv.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
On 16/10/11 19:29, tim vets wrote: but does the piece include the environment, or does it include the environment plus a replica of it through loudspeakers? indeed, I think you are right, no need for the speaker stobe involved at all. But some sense of a start, an end, a musical structure is definitely required in the score. And an audience, with certain expectations, to allow the interpretation of the piece as a work. Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
Regarding 4 '33 ', we forgot an important detail, an indication of interpretation on the partition. I rectified my proposal by including this detail. Even in humour, precision seems to me important. Au plaisir Tad kristof lauwers a écrit : At 08:56 a.m. 14/10/2011, you wrote: On 14/10/11 14:44, tim vets wrote: John Cage's 4'33'' in one object I think it needs three, the environment is part of it! + the piece is in three movements! cheers, kristof -- http://soundcloud.com/kristof-lauwers http://kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net -- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Music for the pure data's users#2.pd Description: application/extension-pd ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
ok. thanks matju for the comment, I got your point - it's very similar to what thought. About 4'33 I have I variation also; 0) Don't use a clock - try to measure the time with your time subective impression, 1 min) Close Puredata all the software, shut down the system, turn off computer. 2 min ) Get out the room you are now 3 min) Walk 4 min ) Stop walking 33') Think about it. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds (fwd)
Le 2011-10-13 à 21:52:00, John Dunlap a écrit : Amazing efficiency! I'd really like to know how you put that together - it seems like an interesting approach to PD. From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca A simple synth playing notes of the scale... in two boxes (dac~ included). It's my first use ever of [fexpr~]. However, I already knew quite a bit of theory about things like this. You can get some of it in the pd help files, or more in detail in Miller's book, and in even more detail in pd's source code. Each line (each semicolon-separated part) represents one outlet, and one element of the $y series : $y1,$y2,$y3,... Note that $y is a shortcut for $y1. $y1 is a phasor with frequency 0.00012*44100. $y2 is a click generator by looking at sudden drops in $y1. $y3 does a cycle of fifths (quintes) over two octaves. A fifth is 7 semitones. Two octaves is 24 semitones. $y4 is a shortcut for adding 7*12 to the note number, doing [mtof~], and converting that frequency from Hz to radians, where 44100 Hz = a full turn = 2π radians. 2π=6.283186... $y5 and $y6 combine this angle with a radius of 0. and converts this from polar to cartesian, which needs a cos, a sin, and two *, and then computes a [cpole~] whose 2nd inlet is not connected, and whose first inlet is $y2 multiplied by 8. This causes [cpole~] to act as an oscillator, as it makes a point spin around the centre by doing many small rotations. $y5 and $y6 are two sinusoïdal waves whose phase difference is 90⁰, because one is the horizontal position of the spinning point, and the other is the vertical position. $y7 and $y8 just use sin as a waveshaper (nonlinear), which creates a bunch of harmonics to make the sound richer. The role of the 0. radius factor is to make the wave decay with a factor of 0. per sample, which is a loss of 0.01 % per sample. If you compute this : log(½)/log(0.)/44.1 kHz = about 157.168 ms This tells you that the amplitude drops by half every 157 ms. That's how we control note duration. You can verify this by doing : pow(0., 157.168 ms * 44.1 kHz) = about ½ But the waveshaper complicates the decay a lot. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
what is the continuality of this concept? - Mail original - De: Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com À: TAD BISAHA tadbis...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com Envoyé: Samedi 15 Octobre 2011 02:28:51 Objet: Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds As long as we're doing conceptual patches... I win! (does include the environment, I'm here). 2011/10/15 TAD BISAHA tadbis...@gmail.com Hi Tim, Hi all, about Cage, I have 2 other proposals. Music for the Pure data's users.pd (If you follow indications at the bottom of patch, you will be in capacity to appreciate (shall I be optimistic?) my (our?) adaptation of a certain silence of John Cage.) Les bruits cachés des petits silences déjà vus...pd (no comment, all is in the title.) Au plaisir Tad tim vets a écrit : John Cage's 4'33'' in one object 2011/10/14 hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com more objects now, but actually sounding somewhat like a dance track ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
after i had fun making very small patches which make nice noise, i got the feeling that i was slightly missing the point: On 10/07/2011 02:25 PM, Chris McCormick wrote: http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html when i had actually read this. implementing it in pd was not as easy as i thought, but i think i have managed, at least it sounds more or less like the examples on the web. i could not get bang~ to bang faster than every 64 samples, regardless of the subpatch blocksize. (or metro below 1 ms) is this really not possible, or did i miss something obvious? bis denn! martin #N canvas 24 185 1029 707 10; #X obj 576 624 dac~; #X obj 580 596 hip~ 10; #X obj 276 126 nbx 5 14 1 64 0 1 empty empty samplerate_divide 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 8 256; #X obj 208 222 int; #X obj 243 249 + 1; #X msg 91 74 0; #X obj 270 -55 bang~; #X obj 270 -1 until; #X msg 270 -31 64; #X obj 264 28 f; #X obj 295 30 + 1; #X obj 339 30 sel 0; #X obj 295 55 mod 64; #X obj 516 542 table \$0blockbuffer 64; #X obj 512 518 tabwrite \$0blockbuffer; #X text 121 76 restart from 0; #X text 238 222 count to 'infinity'; #X obj 294 80 t f f; #X obj 199 565 clip -1 1; #X obj 579 565 tabreceive~ \$0blockbuffer; #X obj 310 -54 block~ 64; #X text 303 -30 count to blocksize; #X text 10 462 code here -; #X obj 227 145 mod 8; #X obj 465 496 float; #X obj 490 452 t b f; #X obj 227 169 sel 0; #X obj 272 334 nbx 5 14 0 128 0 1 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 12 256; #X obj 303 362 nbx 5 14 0 128 0 1 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 8 256; #X obj 354 388 nbx 5 14 0 128 0 1 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 63 256; #X obj 113 463 expr $f1 * (($f1$f2|$f1$f3)$f4$f1$f5); #X obj 399 418 nbx 5 14 0 128 0 1 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 4 256; #X text 321 317 parameters; #X text -108 -47 pd implementation of the method presented by 'viznut' on the countercomplex-blog.; #X text 423 -38 since i was not able to get messages faster than 64 samples (metro not faster than 1 ms (and bang~ too)) \, i had to calculate a buffer on blockstart.; #X obj 479 302 unpack f f f f; #X msg 498 214 12 8 63 4; #X msg 544 240 13 8 55 3; #X text 569 210 standard; #X msg 604 270 17 11 91 2; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 1 0 0 1; #X connect 2 0 23 1; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 3 0 30 0; #X connect 4 0 3 1; #X connect 5 0 3 1; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 7 0 9 0; #X connect 8 0 7 0; #X connect 9 0 10 0; #X connect 10 0 12 0; #X connect 11 0 7 1; #X connect 12 0 9 1; #X connect 12 0 11 0; #X connect 12 0 17 0; #X connect 17 0 23 0; #X connect 17 1 25 0; #X connect 18 0 24 0; #X connect 19 0 1 0; #X connect 23 0 26 0; #X connect 24 0 14 0; #X connect 25 0 24 0; #X connect 25 1 14 1; #X connect 26 0 3 0; #X connect 27 0 30 1; #X connect 28 0 30 2; #X connect 29 0 30 3; #X connect 30 0 18 0; #X connect 31 0 30 4; #X connect 35 0 27 0; #X connect 35 1 28 0; #X connect 35 2 29 0; #X connect 35 3 31 0; #X connect 36 0 35 0; #X connect 37 0 35 0; #X connect 39 0 35 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
this sounds somewhat like the original countercomplex examples too. still 17 objects though...waay too many ;) (your soundcard input needs to be active and have at least some noisefloor...) Tim 2011/10/15 martin brinkmann m...@martin-brinkmann.de after i had fun making very small patches which make nice noise, i got the feeling that i was slightly missing the point: On 10/07/2011 02:25 PM, Chris McCormick wrote: http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html when i had actually read this. implementing it in pd was not as easy as i thought, but i think i have managed, at least it sounds more or less like the examples on the web. i could not get bang~ to bang faster than every 64 samples, regardless of the subpatch blocksize. (or metro below 1 ms) is this really not possible, or did i miss something obvious? bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 226 109 327 263 10; #X obj 181 185 tabread~ buf; #X obj 44 220 tabwrite buf; #X obj 182 219 dac~; #X obj 71 160 f; #X obj 180 144 *~ 1024; #X obj 206 164 table buf 1024; #X obj 44 139 t f b; #X obj 100 160 + 4; #X obj 115 135 unsig~; #X obj 44 200 expr ($f1%3)-1; #X obj 43 98 samphold~; #X obj 44 118 env~; #X obj 44 10 adc~; #X obj 44 30 hip~ 20; #X obj 100 180 % 1024; #X obj 44 49 expr~ if(($v1*300)0 \, 1 \, 0) \; int(($v1*300)%6)+2 ; #X obj 180 82 phasor~ 1; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 0 0 2 1; #X connect 3 0 1 1; #X connect 3 0 7 0; #X connect 4 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 9 0; #X connect 6 1 3 0; #X connect 7 0 14 0; #X connect 8 0 7 1; #X connect 9 0 1 0; #X connect 10 0 11 0; #X connect 11 0 6 0; #X connect 12 0 13 0; #X connect 13 0 15 0; #X connect 14 0 3 1; #X connect 15 0 10 0; #X connect 15 1 8 0; #X connect 16 0 4 0; #X connect 16 0 10 1; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
Did you see a website that reproduces exactly the putchar line of the first message of this tread? here it is: http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/ sorry about the naive question - but can someone here try to explain shortly what this line does? This means some kind of bitshifts ? I think some curious question could be - if there is a an [~] operator in pd what it does? Moves a bit for the next cycle of the of the sample block ? Can you indicate some patches to clarify this theory? I think most of people here could learn with this. cheers, ~ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Le 2011-10-15 à 17:21:00, glerm soares a écrit : sorry about the naive question - but can someone here try to explain shortly what this line does? This means some kind of bitshifts ? Yeah... but to be clear, it does convert to plain int (truncating), shifts the integer, and converts back to float, which is both slow and often less useful than ldexp. But there *is* a real use for a truncating bitshifter in pd. About this, I have an anecdote : I went in a big IRC channel on FreeNode about C or C++, asking for a float equivalent of the and operators. At least five people began by assuming that I wanted something weird that has no possible use, and they started flaming me for it (real angry). In the end, when I got them to figure out what a useful equivalent of and could be, they didn't know. Then I probably scanned in math.h for all the functions I didn't know and finally found ldexp. I think that in pd, it's only available in [expr] and in GF. so, the difference is that 313 == 3 whereas ldexp(31,3)==3.875, with fractionary bits kept. BTW, in floats, when bitshifting, the bits don't actually shift, and instead, the exponent field increases or decreases, because that's how the float format is multi-scale : it has a builtin concept of and at its core (even though hardly anyone ever knows what ldexp is !) I think some curious question could be - if there is a an [~] operator in pd what it does? Moves a bit for the next cycle of the of the sample block ? What happens with nearly all simple math operators that have a class in pd for floats, and another similarly-named class for signals, is that the latter does the job of the former on every float that is found inside each block. This happens without interactions between floats of different instants. So, [~] does, for each time t inside each block, take input x[t], apply [], put into output y[t], that's all. It's all the same pattern as [+] vs [+~], and [*] vs [*~], etc. The big exception is stuff like [cos~], that has a different scale factor because Miller said so. Can you indicate some patches to clarify this theory? No... actually, I don't know much of a use for [~] in particular... whereas [expr~ ldexp($v1,...)] might be optimised way(s) to do certain cases of [*~]. I use a lot, but never in a signal context. With people solving control-style problems using signal-style solutions (e.g. Barknecht's experiments), I can see more use of typically non-signal stuff being done with signal anyways, and this would explain the existence of [~]. But frankly, I think that the existence of [~] is simply for consistency, for completing the pattern of correspondence between float ops and signal ops. In a certain sense, pd is simpler when it is more complete, because there are less exceptions in its design. You know what I mean ? __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
John Cage's 4'33'' in one object 2011/10/14 hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com more objects now, but actually sounding somewhat like a dance track ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 39 131 450 300 10; #X obj 179 121 del 273000; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
the lack of option to start that delay also fits well with the zen philosophy behind 4'33 On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM, tim vets timv...@gmail.com wrote: John Cage's 4'33'' in one object 2011/10/14 hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com more objects now, but actually sounding somewhat like a dance track ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
pd zen: if a delay is in a patch, and there is no bang to start it, how long is the delay? On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:50 PM, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.comwrote: the lack of option to start that delay also fits well with the zen philosophy behind 4'33 On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM, tim vets timv...@gmail.com wrote: John Cage's 4'33'' in one object 2011/10/14 hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com more objects now, but actually sounding somewhat like a dance track ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
On 14/10/11 14:44, tim vets wrote: John Cage's 4'33'' in one object I think it needs three, the environment is part of it! Simon #N canvas 41 127 450 300 10; #X obj 179 121 del 273000; #X obj 301 102 adc~; #X obj 301 158 dac~; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 1 1 2 1; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
trance dance preset revolution a little OT sorry On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/10/11 14:44, tim vets wrote: John Cage's 4'33'' in one object I think it needs three, the environment is part of it! Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie tranceAcidDoof.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
cheers, 5.78 hz on that right hand phasor makes a really cool arp line. On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com wrote: trance dance preset revolution a little OT sorry On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/10/11 14:44, tim vets wrote: John Cage's 4'33'' in one object I think it needs three, the environment is part of it! Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
improved version of my 1st one (got rid of the lame random), another feedback-based, and a fm-tuningfork with echo. bis denn! martin #N canvas 586 335 387 350 10; #X obj 160 252 dac~; #N canvas 826 407 450 300 stuff 1; #X obj 48 227 cos~; #X obj 90 133 *~; #X obj 52 53 phasor~ 1; #X obj 131 23 +~ 1; #X obj 4 138 *~ 0.36; #X obj 90 159 vd~ \$0delay; #X obj 48 93 delwrite~ \$0delay 100; #X obj 227 156 threshold~ 0.1 100 0 100; #X obj 92 267 outlet~; #X obj 166 269 outlet~; #X obj 361 3 block~ 1; #X obj 283 68 snapshot~; #X obj 294 133 clip 0 69; #X obj 286 89 abs; #X obj 290 111 * 69; #X connect 0 0 4 0; #X connect 0 0 7 0; #X connect 1 0 5 0; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 2 0 6 0; #X connect 3 0 1 1; #X connect 3 0 2 0; #X connect 4 0 6 0; #X connect 4 0 8 0; #X connect 5 0 0 0; #X connect 5 0 4 0; #X connect 5 0 9 0; #X connect 5 0 11 0; #X connect 7 0 11 0; #X connect 11 0 13 0; #X connect 12 0 3 0; #X connect 13 0 14 0; #X connect 14 0 12 0; #X restore 157 183 pd stuff; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 1 1 0 1; #N canvas 174 392 450 300 10; #X obj 54 230 dac~; #N canvas 299 491 450 300 stuff 1; #X obj 55 148 samphold~; #X obj 110 187 *~; #X obj 123 253 vd~ \$0delay; #X obj 288 79 block~ 1; #X obj 124 280 outlet~; #X obj 149 150 osc~; #X obj 54 40 phasor~ 1.11803; #X obj 162 48 phasor~ 1.41421; #X obj 149 130 +~ 220; #X obj 149 108 *~ 440; #X obj 87 219 *~ 99; #X obj 202 221 delwrite~ \$0delay 100; #X obj 191 190 *~ 0.99; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 0 0 10 0; #X connect 1 0 11 0; #X connect 2 0 4 0; #X connect 2 0 12 0; #X connect 5 0 1 1; #X connect 6 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 9 0; #X connect 6 0 0 1; #X connect 7 0 0 1; #X connect 7 0 9 0; #X connect 8 0 5 0; #X connect 9 0 8 0; #X connect 10 0 2 0; #X connect 12 0 11 0; #X restore 54 180 pd stuff; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 1 0 0 1; #N canvas 546 306 419 359 10; #X obj 115 309 dac~; #X obj 127 199 osc~; #X obj 129 176 *~; #X obj 111 20 phasor~ -1; #X obj 208 85 samphold~; #X obj 158 148 *~; #X obj 196 252 delread~ \$0delay 750; #X obj 80 88 *~; #X obj 218 172 *~ 0.95; #X obj 138 228 *~ 0.4; #X obj 182 123 *~ 500; #X obj 345 38 adc~; #X obj 123 114 osc~ 440; #X obj 245 222 delwrite~ \$0delay 1000; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 1 0 9 0; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 3 0 4 1; #X connect 3 0 7 1; #X connect 3 0 7 0; #X connect 4 0 10 0; #X connect 5 0 2 1; #X connect 6 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 4 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 7 0 2 0; #X connect 8 0 0 1; #X connect 8 0 13 0; #X connect 9 0 0 1; #X connect 9 0 13 0; #X connect 10 0 5 1; #X connect 11 0 4 1; #X connect 11 0 13 0; #X connect 11 1 4 1; #X connect 11 1 13 0; #X connect 12 0 5 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
Hi Tim, Hi all, about Cage, I have 2 other proposals. Music for the Pure data's users.pd (If you follow indications at the bottom of patch, you will be in capacity to appreciate (shall I be optimistic?) my (our?) adaptation of a certain silence of John Cage.) Les bruits cachés des petits silences déjà vus...pd (no comment, all is in the title.) Au plaisir Tad tim vets a écrit : John Cage's 4'33'' in one object 2011/10/14 hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com mailto:hard@gmail.com more objects now, but actually sounding somewhat like a dance track ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Music for the pure data's users.pd Description: application/extension-pd Les bruits cachés des petits silences déjà vus.pd Description: application/extension-pd ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
As long as we're doing conceptual patches... I win! (does include the environment, I'm here). 2011/10/15 TAD BISAHA tadbis...@gmail.com ** Hi Tim, Hi all, about Cage, I have 2 other proposals. Music for the Pure data's users.pd (If you follow indications at the bottom of patch, you will be in capacity to appreciate (shall I be optimistic?) my (our?) adaptation of a certain silence of John Cage.) Les bruits cachés des petits silences déjà vus...pd (no comment, all is in the title.) Au plaisir Tad tim vets a écrit : John Cage's 4'33'' in one object 2011/10/14 hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com more objects now, but actually sounding somewhat like a dance track ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- ___pd-l...@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie neocage.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
9 objects (plus 6 to visualize the data). From: hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com To: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds the sound of om http://www.planetware.de/octave/earthyear.html ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list marbles.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
13 objects remix hardoff's Ohms, so I'm out of the running but I had fun. I found your marbles, they are cool =) On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: 9 objects (plus 6 to visualize the data). -- *From:* hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com *To:* Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca *Cc:* pd-list@iem.at *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:46 AM *Subject:* Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds the sound of om http://www.planetware.de/octave/earthyear.html ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie ohmsnotgonez.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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techno oms technom.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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richie, that vcf~ trick is awesome! here's a 3 object kick drum minimal-enough-yet.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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trance, in 11 objects trance.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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more objects now, but actually sounding somewhat like a dance track trance-ii.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
the $0-bb is just the name of the delayline. it could be anything, you could call it vampire-monkey-spawn if you wanted. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com wrote: This thread is awesome! here is my noodle with your remix =) Hardoff, what does the -bb in your first patches if I may ask? shiny On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.comwrote: brassy bass mixture of martin and tim's patches: ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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silly me, thanks, I guess I'm tired today. This thread is still awesome =) On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:59 PM, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.comwrote: the $0-bb is just the name of the delayline. it could be anything, you could call it vampire-monkey-spawn if you wanted. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com wrote: brassy bass mixture of martin and tim's patches: ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On 12/10/2011 05:25, hardoff goes bananas wrote: brassy bass mixture of martin and tim's patches: And a more 'windy', 'clasical-ish' remix of that. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 487 248 415 248 10; #X obj 31 165 dac~; #X obj 31 64 samphold~; #X obj 31 130 osc~ 2; #X obj 30 91 expr~ exp((1+$v1)) * ($v2*400) * (1-$v2) * cos((1-$v2) * (70+(800*$v1))); #X obj 30 18 phasor~ 1.22; #X obj 82 40 phasor~ 7; #X connect 1 0 3 0; #X connect 2 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 0 1; #X connect 3 0 2 0; #X connect 4 0 1 0; #X connect 5 0 1 1; #X connect 5 0 3 1; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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nice! On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it wrote: On 12/10/2011 05:25, hardoff goes bananas wrote: brassy bass mixture of martin and tim's patches: And a more 'windy', 'clasical-ish' remix of that. __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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10 objects which (i think) are playing a major scale 10objects-in-tune.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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2011/10/12 hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com 10 objects which (i think) are playing a major scale G major :) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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J.S. Bach BWV 1001 Presto, Gminor in 4 objects 2011/10/12 tim vets timv...@gmail.com 2011/10/12 hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com 10 objects which (i think) are playing a major scale G major :) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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attached now... 2011/10/12 tim vets timv...@gmail.com J.S. Bach BWV 1001 Presto, Gminor in 4 objects 2011/10/12 tim vets timv...@gmail.com 2011/10/12 hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com 10 objects which (i think) are playing a major scale G major :) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 0 0 770 537 10; #X obj 197 208 dac~; #X obj 198 135 drip 120; #X obj 198 169 phasor~; #X msg 198 -2566 783.991 932.328 783.991 587.33 783.991 587.33 466.164 587.33 466.164 391.995 466.164 391.995 293.665 391.995 293.665 233.082 293.665 233.082 195.998 233.082 293.665 391.995 466.164 587.33 783.991 587.33 523.251 466.164 440 391.995 369.994 293.665 369.994 440 587.33 739.989 880 622.254 587.33 523.251 466.164 440 391.995 293.665 391.995 466.164 587.33 783.991 932.328 783.991 622.254 523.251 622.254 783.991 880 698.456 587.33 466.164 587.33 698.456 783.991 622.254 523.251 440 523.251 622.254 293.665 783.991 739.989 783.991 880 523.251 391.995 523.251 466.164 523.251 587.33 349.228 261.626 698.456 659.255 698.456 783.991 466.164 349.228 466.164 440 466.164 523.251 311.127 233.082 622.254 587.33 622.254 698.456 415.305 311.127 233.082 311.127 391.995 311.127 391.995 523.251 391.995 523.251 622.254 523.251 622.254 349.228 261.626 349.228 440 349.228 440 587.33 440 587.33 698.456 587.33 698.456 391.995 293.665 391.995 466.164 391.995 466.164 622.254 466.164 622.254 783.991 622.254 783.991 440 349.228 440 523.251 440 523.251 698.456 523.251 698.456 880 698.456 880 466.164 523.251 587.33 932.328 880 932.328 523.251 587.33 622.254 932.328 880 932.328 587.33 622.254 698.456 932.328 880 932.328 622.254 698.456 783.991 932.328 880 932.328 440 523.251 622.254 783.991 698.456 622.254 587.33 466.164 622.254 466.164 698.456 415.305 391.995 440 466.164 293.665 261.626 440 233.082 293.665 261.626 233.082 220 195.998 220 391.995 369.994 329.628 293.665 523.251 466.164 440 391.995 698.456 659.255 587.33 554.365 932.328 880 783.991 698.456 659.255 698.456 587.33 783.991 587.33 880 523.251 466.164 880 783.991 698.456 659.255 587.33 659.255 523.251 698.456 523.251 783.991 466.164 440 783.991 698.456 659.255 587.33 554.365 587.33 466.164 659.255 466.164 698.456 440 391.995 698.456 659.255 587.33 554.365 493.883 554.365 440 587.33 440 659.255 391.995 349.228 587.33 466.164 391.995 329.628 523.251 293.665 466.164 391.995 329.628 261.626 440 233.082 391.995 329.628 277.183 220 349.228 195.998 349.228 329.628 293.665 277.183 246.942 220 293.665 277.183 329.628 293.665 349.228 220 329.628 293.665 349.228 329.628 391.995 220 349.228 329.628 391.995 349.228 440 233.082 391.995 369.994 440 391.995 466.164 277.183 466.164 440 391.995 349.228 329.628 349.228 293.665 349.228 440 587.33 698.456 880 587.33 440 554.365 587.33 783.991 932.328 783.991 587.33 783.991 587.33 466.164 587.33 466.164 391.995 466.164 391.995 293.665 391.995 293.665 233.082 293.665 233.082 195.998 233.082 293.665 391.995 466.164 587.33 783.991 587.33 523.251 466.164 440 391.995 369.994 293.665 369.994 440 587.33 739.989 880 622.254 587.33 523.251 466.164 440 391.995 293.665 391.995 466.164 587.33 783.991 932.328 783.991 622.254 523.251 622.254 783.991 880 698.456 587.33 466.164 587.33 698.456 783.991 622.254 523.251 440 523.251 622.254 293.665 783.991 739.989 783.991 880 523.251 391.995 523.251 466.164 523.251 587.33 349.228 261.626 698.456 659.255 698.456 783.991 466.164 349.228 466.164 440 466.164 523.251 311.127 233.082 622.254 587.33 622.254 698.456 415.305 311.127 233.082 311.127 391.995 311.127 391.995 523.251 391.995 523.251 622.254 523.251 622.254 349.228 261.626 349.228 440 349.228 440 587.33 440 587.33 698.456 587.33 698.456 391.995 293.665 391.995 466.164 391.995 466.164 622.254 466.164 622.254 783.991 622.254 783.991 440 349.228 440 523.251 440 523.251 698.456 523.251 698.456 880 698.456 880 466.164 523.251 587.33 932.328 880 932.328 523.251 587.33 622.254 932.328 880 932.328 587.33 622.254 698.456 932.328 880 932.328 622.254 698.456 783.991 932.328 880 932.328 440 523.251 622.254 783.991 698.456 622.254 587.33 466.164 622.254 466.164 698.456 415.305 391.995 440 466.164 293.665 261.626 440 233.082 293.665 261.626 233.082 220 195.998 220 391.995 369.994 329.628 293.665 523.251 466.164 440 391.995 698.456 659.255 587.33 554.365 932.328 880 783.991 698.456 659.255 698.456 587.33 783.991 587.33 880 523.251 466.164 880 783.991 698.456 659.255 587.33 659.255 523.251 698.456 523.251 783.991 466.164 440 783.991 698.456 659.255 587.33 554.365 587.33 466.164 659.255 466.164 698.456 440 391.995 698.456 659.255 587.33 554.365 493.883 554.365 440 587.33 440 659.255 391.995 349.228 587.33 466.164 391.995 329.628 523.251 293.665 466.164 391.995 329.628 261.626 440 233.082 391.995 329.628 277.183 220 349.228 195.998 349.228 329.628 293.665 277.183 246.942 220 293.665 277.183 329.628 293.665 349.228 220 329.628 293.665 349.228 329.628
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
the object count is climbing here, but wanted to try using blocksize as a glitch generator On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:55 PM, tim vets timv...@gmail.com wrote: attached now... 2011/10/12 tim vets timv...@gmail.com J.S. Bach BWV 1001 Presto, Gminor in 4 objects 2011/10/12 tim vets timv...@gmail.com 2011/10/12 hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com 10 objects which (i think) are playing a major scale G major :) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list merodica.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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i think i'm gonna keep making these all day. :D here's a neat little one with 6 objects hardoff-6objects.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On 11/10/2011 12:22, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Hey, This is a fun idea indeed, thanks for the heads up. Here's one with 2 objects. No, no. I propose that with expr, expr~ and fexpr~ you count one object for each operator you use so: [expr~ sin($v1 + 1) * sqrt ($v1)] would be 4 objects :-) Lorenzo. Claude ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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hi list, sorry but i couldnt resist to share this! 2 objects + 1 comment win? :O) hugs! #N canvas 545 396 518 304 10; #X obj 142 114 adc~; #X obj 138 166 dac~; #X text 213 123 now turn dsp on \, adjust volumes and sing some very compressed chip sounds; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 0 0 1 1; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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claude's one is fun. no idea really what happens, but it's fiun to change values and see the effect. matju's one rocks too. good stuff. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:59 PM, dani ambulat...@gmail.com wrote: hi list, sorry but i couldnt resist to share this! 2 objects + 1 comment win? :O) hugs! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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remix of claude On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:19 PM, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.comwrote: claude's one is fun. no idea really what happens, but it's fiun to change values and see the effect. matju's one rocks too. good stuff. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:59 PM, dani ambulat...@gmail.com wrote: hi list, sorry but i couldnt resist to share this! 2 objects + 1 comment win? :O) hugs! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list two-object-patch-ii.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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That's the scariest Pd object I've ever seen! .hc On Oct 11, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Hey, This is a fun idea indeed, thanks for the heads up. Here's one with 2 objects. Claude two-object-patch.pd___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list We have nothing to fear from love and commitment. - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Le 2011-10-11 à 15:46:00, hardoff goes bananas a écrit : i think i'm gonna keep making these all day. :D here's a neat little one with 6 objects Congrats, you just found the secret of the samba ! And made the smallest samba rhythmbox in the world too ! __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very compressed chip sounds
Le 2011-10-11 à 12:42:00, Lorenzo Sutton a écrit : No, no. I propose that with expr, expr~ and fexpr~ you count one object for each operator you use so: [expr~ sin($v1 + 1) * sqrt ($v1)] would be 4 objects :-) [lop~] is essentially made from one [rpole~], one [*], one [/], one [samplerate~] and one [loadbang], so why wouldn't you count it as five ? etcætera... how do you count [biquad~] ? how do you count a [table] ? __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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no idea what causes the transpose/chord shift in this patch, but if you leave it for a while, it inevitably does happen. hardoff-10objects-tones.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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actually, that last one has superfluous objects. the basic idea comes across nicely with 7. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:32 AM, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.comwrote: no idea what causes the transpose/chord shift in this patch, but if you leave it for a while, it inevitably does happen. hardoff-7objects-tones.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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it´s very inspiring to listen to all the small patches in this thread. another small patch (but big compared to others) of 10 object comes here.. this one is not very dramatic, maybe one of it´s things is that it produces a rather fat stereo image with some attacks with each tone in the sequence. /björn eriksson On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:59 PM, dani ambulat...@gmail.com wrote: hi list, sorry but i couldnt resist to share this! 2 objects + 1 comment win? :O) hugs! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list miulew_10objects_bass-sequence.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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here´s a remix of the 6 object hardoff one, now a 7 object one with somewhat other sound texture. for a while it´s making a waltz tempo until it looses it´s sense of waltzing. /björn On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:46 AM, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.comwrote: i think i'm gonna keep making these all day. :D here's a neat little one with 6 objects ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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sorry last empty mail before this... here´s a remix of the 6 object hardoff one, now a 7 object one with somewhat other sound texture. for a while it´s making a waltz tempo until it looses it´s sense of waltzing. /björn On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:46 AM, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.comwrote: i think i'm gonna keep making these all day. :D here's a neat little one with 6 objects ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list hardoff-7objects_miulew_remix.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Le 2011-10-12 à 01:32:00, hardoff goes bananas a écrit : no idea what causes the transpose/chord shift in this patch, but if you leave it for a while, it inevitably does happen. You are greatly amplifying error accumulation coming from [phasor~]. With a samplerate of exactly 44100 and a frequency of exactly 2, an ideal [phasor~] would increase by an amount of 2/44100 at each sample, leading to a new 0 at every 22050. The truth is a bit different. If you do it with regular pd floats (float32), the amount 2/44100 gets computed as 12466118/pow(2,15+23) instead, because that's the closest fraction that this format can express. For reasons of error accumulation, [phasor~] uses a «double» (float64) for storing the phase, but then it stores 1/44100 as a float, an computes 2*(1/44100) as a float too, therefore a [phasor~ 2] doesn't have the exact frequency of 2. BTW, have you tried [phasor~ 2.01] and other things like that ? At least on my computer, it's more interesting than [phasor~ 2]. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Another one. Four phasors, 8 objects. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC#N canvas 0 0 450 300 10; #X obj 10 152 dac~; #X obj 10 132 phasor~; #X obj 10 92 phasor~; #X obj 10 52 phasor~; #X obj 10 32 *~ 440; #X obj 10 72 *~ 440; #X obj 10 112 *~ 440; #X obj 10 12 phasor~ 1e-06; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 1 0 0 1; #X connect 2 0 6 0; #X connect 3 0 5 0; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X connect 5 0 2 0; #X connect 6 0 1 0; #X connect 7 0 4 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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7 objects arpeggiator note that if you click the same Hradio box several times you also get variations. gr, Tim 2011/10/11 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Le 2011-10-12 à 01:32:00, hardoff goes bananas a écrit : no idea what causes the transpose/chord shift in this patch, but if you leave it for a while, it inevitably does happen. You are greatly amplifying error accumulation coming from [phasor~]. With a samplerate of exactly 44100 and a frequency of exactly 2, an ideal [phasor~] would increase by an amount of 2/44100 at each sample, leading to a new 0 at every 22050. The truth is a bit different. If you do it with regular pd floats (float32), the amount 2/44100 gets computed as 12466118/pow(2,15+23) instead, because that's the closest fraction that this format can express. For reasons of error accumulation, [phasor~] uses a «double» (float64) for storing the phase, but then it stores 1/44100 as a float, an computes 2*(1/44100) as a float too, therefore a [phasor~ 2] doesn't have the exact frequency of 2. BTW, have you tried [phasor~ 2.01] and other things like that ? At least on my computer, it's more interesting than [phasor~ 2]. __**__** __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 20 61 515 240 10; #X obj 50 97 samphold~; #X obj 50 165 dac~; #X obj 51 142 osc~; #X obj 51 53 phasor~ 2; #X obj 51 31 hradio 15 1 0 13 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 11; #X obj 102 73 phasor~ 12; #X obj 51 119 expr~ (1+$v1)*200*(1-$v2)*cos((1-$v2)*(20+(200*$v1))) ; #X connect 0 0 6 0; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 2 0 1 1; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X connect 4 0 3 1; #X connect 5 0 0 1; #X connect 5 0 6 1; #X connect 6 0 2 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Hello list, this one will quickly get on your nerves... Thierry 2011/10/11 tim vets timv...@gmail.com 7 objects arpeggiator note that if you click the same Hradio box several times you also get variations. gr, Tim 2011/10/11 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Le 2011-10-12 à 01:32:00, hardoff goes bananas a écrit : no idea what causes the transpose/chord shift in this patch, but if you leave it for a while, it inevitably does happen. You are greatly amplifying error accumulation coming from [phasor~]. With a samplerate of exactly 44100 and a frequency of exactly 2, an ideal [phasor~] would increase by an amount of 2/44100 at each sample, leading to a new 0 at every 22050. The truth is a bit different. If you do it with regular pd floats (float32), the amount 2/44100 gets computed as 12466118/pow(2,15+23) instead, because that's the closest fraction that this format can express. For reasons of error accumulation, [phasor~] uses a «double» (float64) for storing the phase, but then it stores 1/44100 as a float, an computes 2*(1/44100) as a float too, therefore a [phasor~ 2] doesn't have the exact frequency of 2. BTW, have you tried [phasor~ 2.01] and other things like that ? At least on my computer, it's more interesting than [phasor~ 2]. __**__** __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 537 87 598 566 10; #X obj -149 369 dac~; #X obj -125 61 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1 1; #X floatatom -78 201 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj -150 343 *~ 0.05; #X obj -150 286 *~; #X obj -169 248 tanh~; #X obj -169 225 *~ 30; #X obj -125 89 metro 100; #X obj -125 177 osc~; #X obj -79 256 *~ 0.92; #X obj -78 231 delread~ \$0-a 12; #X obj -125 134 random 1000; #X obj -89 308 delwrite~ \$0-a 20; #X connect 1 0 7 0; #X connect 2 0 10 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 3 0 0 1; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X connect 4 0 12 0; #X connect 5 0 4 0; #X connect 6 0 5 0; #X connect 7 0 11 0; #X connect 8 0 4 1; #X connect 8 0 6 0; #X connect 9 0 4 1; #X connect 10 0 9 0; #X connect 11 0 8 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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these minimal patches are fun! the idea reminds me a little of the sc140 project: http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/sc140/ here is my 1st one. bis denn! martin #N canvas 424 308 387 350 10; #X obj 125 242 dac~; #X obj 48 227 cos~; #X obj 90 133 *~; #X obj 52 53 phasor~ 1; #X obj 131 23 +~ 1; #X obj 4 138 *~ 0.36; #X obj 164 -5 random 69; #X obj 91 165 vd~ \$0delay; #X obj 48 93 delwrite~ \$0delay 100; #X obj 227 156 threshold~ 0.1 100 0 100; #X connect 1 0 5 0; #X connect 1 0 9 0; #X connect 2 0 7 0; #X connect 3 0 2 0; #X connect 3 0 8 0; #X connect 4 0 2 1; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X connect 5 0 0 0; #X connect 5 0 8 0; #X connect 6 0 4 0; #X connect 7 0 0 1; #X connect 7 0 1 0; #X connect 7 0 5 0; #X connect 9 0 6 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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and another one, bis denn! martin #N canvas 559 407 450 300 10; #X obj 83 251 dac~; #X obj 76 203 osc~; #X obj 141 68 wrap~; #X obj 121 127 vd~ \$0delay; #X obj 131 234 delwrite~ \$0delay 1000; #X obj 75 181 mtof~; #X obj 68 33 phasor~ 0.707106; #X obj 259 31 phasor~ 0.866025; #X obj 75 158 *~ 35; #X obj 143 103 *~ 550; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 1 0 4 0; #X connect 2 0 8 0; #X connect 2 0 9 0; #X connect 3 0 8 0; #X connect 3 0 0 1; #X connect 5 0 1 0; #X connect 6 0 2 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 7 0 2 0; #X connect 7 0 4 0; #X connect 7 0 9 0; #X connect 8 0 5 0; #X connect 9 0 3 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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brassy bass mixture of martin and tim's patches: mnbVSvetsVSoff-iii.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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This thread is awesome! here is my noodle with your remix =) Hardoff, what does the -bb in your first patches if I may ask? shiny On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.comwrote: brassy bass mixture of martin and tim's patches: ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie mnbVSvetsVSoffiiiglitch.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Le 2011-10-10 à 14:31:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:35 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Attachement. Well done, matju. That's a pretty crazy sound. It's like someone whipping a sheet of metal in an excruciatingly fast rhythm. You can also tune it to get plastic-film sounds and lots-of-birds sounds and very low rumbles and more stuff I haven't tried. The [*~] changes the amount of pitch variation... the [+~] changes the base pitch (it has to be at least a tiny bit over zero)... the two 0.9998 values decide the duration of the notes (as triggered by the [rzero~])... and the feedback delay is a lot harder to explain or understand : but most interesting values seem to be divisors of the beat duration (50, 33.33, 25) as well as very low values (64/44.1=1.45124 is the lowest possible value). __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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here are my efforts. i put some [hip~] / [clip~] stuff on the end, because i don't know how every soundcard will react, but if you take them off (at your own risk), the soundcard will probably do that for you anyway. warning: loud ps...thanks Chris M for the heads up on this! It's a great idea. hardoff-12objects-shepard.pd Description: Binary data hardoff-12objects-blips.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Le 2011-10-08 à 16:16:00, Lorenzo Sutton a écrit : On 07/10/2011 14:25, Chris McCormick wrote: Smallest Pd patch that makes an interesting tune? Depending on your definition of 'interesting' I made these two. I guess they can be considered rather minimal (under 16 objects per patch excluding comments and including [dac~]...) The principle is basically the same in both patches. I thought I could make something more complex that the patches that have been posted yet, with an industrial sound, a quite inharmonic spectrum, and yet with a quite consistent beat, though not regular. And all in stéréo in just 9 objects. Attachement. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC#N canvas 0 0 450 167 10; #X obj 9 100 cpole~; #X obj 14 122 dac~; #X obj 52 123 +~ 1e-14; #X obj 9 27 rzero~ 1; #X obj 9 7 phasor~ 10; #X obj 52 103 *~ 0.3; #X obj 32 67 expr~ 0.9998*cos($v1) \; 0.9998*sin($v1); #X obj 32 47 delread~ \$0-a 100; #X obj 52 143 delwrite~ \$0-a 100; #X text 209 5 Copyright oct.2011 par Mathieu BOUCHARD; #X text 329 16 conçu pour 44100 Hz; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 0 1 1 1; #X connect 0 1 5 0; #X connect 2 0 8 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 3 0 0 1; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X connect 5 0 2 0; #X connect 6 0 0 2; #X connect 6 1 0 3; #X connect 7 0 6 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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wops. this was meant for the list... On 08/10/2011 22:21, Björn Eriksson wrote: Here attached a try to use less objects... ended up with 9 objects. Nice! But... it's not vanilla (I think) due to the [sin~] :-) So.. I wasn't thinking of using (pseudo)randomness (noise)... Otherwise one could do something like the attached.. (7 objects including [dac~]) Lorenzo /Björn Eriksson On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it mailto:lsut...@libero.it wrote: Hey Chris, Thanks for this really interesting! On 07/10/2011 14:25, Chris McCormick wrote: http://countercomplex.__blogspot.com/2011/10/__algorithmic-symphonies-from-__one-line-of.html http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html Surely we can do stuff like this in Pd? Smallest Pd patch that makes an interesting tune? Depending on your definition of 'interesting' I made these two. I guess they can be considered rather minimal (under 16 objects per patch excluding comments and including [dac~]...) The principle is basically the same in both patches. Lorenzo. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx _ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 3 69 323 262 12; #X obj 25 195 dac~; #X obj 26 139 osc~; #X obj 26 65 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1 1 ; #X floatatom 95 64 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 26 87 metro 110; #X obj 26 114 random 500; #X obj 25 164 sqrt~; #X text 23 24 1 turn dsp on; #X text 23 42 2 turn metro on; #X text 120 143 WARNING!! Loud sounds!; #X connect 1 0 6 0; #X connect 2 0 4 0; #X connect 3 0 4 1; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 1 0; #X connect 6 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 0 1; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Hello, nice - see what you mean! Here is a new try with cos~ instead of sin~ and then some other method of generating a sequence. It was repeating itself very often until i was putting the snapshot~ outlet back to the osc~ phase reset. Still 9 objects though... :) /Björn On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it wrote: wops. this was meant for the list... On 08/10/2011 22:21, Björn Eriksson wrote: Here attached a try to use less objects... ended up with 9 objects. Nice! But... it's not vanilla (I think) due to the [sin~] :-) So.. I wasn't thinking of using (pseudo)randomness (noise)... Otherwise one could do something like the attached.. (7 objects including [dac~]) Lorenzo /Björn Eriksson On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it mailto:lsut...@libero.it wrote: Hey Chris, Thanks for this really interesting! On 07/10/2011 14:25, Chris McCormick wrote: http://countercomplex.__blogs**pot.com/2011/10/__algorithmic-** symphonies-from-__one-line-of.**htmlhttp://blogspot.com/2011/10/__algorithmic-symphonies-from-__one-line-of.html http://countercomplex.**blogspot.com/2011/10/** algorithmic-symphonies-from-**one-line-of.htmlhttp://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html Surely we can do stuff like this in Pd? Smallest Pd patch that makes an interesting tune? Depending on your definition of 'interesting' I made these two. I guess they can be considered rather minimal (under 16 objects per patch excluding comments and including [dac~]...) The principle is basically the same in both patches. Lorenzo. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx __**___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/__**listinfo/pd-listhttp://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-listhttp://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-listhttp://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list short_noice_sequence_alt3.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html Surely we can do stuff like this in Pd? Smallest Pd patch that makes an interesting tune? Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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cool... thanks for this! also made me think: what would this be like compiled as an external? what is the smallest sized external that does something interesting? i have bee interested in learning/writing C last few weeks o rather then small pieces of code implemented as patches just wondering what this might be like as a series of compiled objects cheers mark On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html Surely we can do stuff like this in Pd? Smallest Pd patch that makes an interesting tune? Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- mark edward grimm | m.f.a | ed.m. megr...@gmail.com | 315.378.2136 _ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Le 2011-10-07 à 20:25:00, Chris McCormick a écrit : Surely we can do stuff like this in Pd? Smallest Pd patch that makes an interesting tune? I didn't aim for smallest patch for those guys, but I made a stereo tune whose patch fits in 2k and synthesises everything using a single [cpole~] through which I put a constant (DC) signal. http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_i_am_just_a_simple_pole_in_a_complex_plane.mp3 __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
