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[hard off]

hmm, still happens here.

no big problem though, i guess.


it would be better to find the source of that pd_vmess error, even though it
doesn't really seem to do anything much,.
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[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On May 23, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Steffen Juul wrote:

>
> On 23/05/2008, at 10.30, hard off wrote:
>
>> if you have a nested abstraction, and edit that abstraction,
>> then closing the parent window without saving disables the 'quit pd-
>> extended' option in the menubar.
>
> Hmm. I can't reproduce. Pd-extended 0.40.3 22th of May edition.

Guess it's a tricky one.  I can't reproduce this on Pd-extended  
0.40.3-20080522 on Ubuntu/Hardy or Mac OS X 10.4.11/Intel.

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Steffen Juul]

On 23/05/2008, at 10.30, hard off wrote:

> if you have a nested abstraction, and edit that abstraction,
> then closing the parent window without saving disables the 'quit pd- 
> extended' option in the menubar.

Hmm. I can't reproduce. Pd-extended 0.40.3 22th of May edition.

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

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On 22/05/2008, at 17.19, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> On Mac OS X 10.4.11 using Pd-extended v 0.40.3-20080522, I cannot  
> reproduce that.

same here.

But i got:

-
/path/to/pdlua/src/lua.pd_darwin: dlopen(/path/to/pdlua/src/ 
lua.pd_darwin, 10): Symbol not found: _garray_getfloatwords
   Referenced from: /path/to/pdlua/src/lua.pd_darwin
   Expected in: flat namespace

lua: can't load library


It loads fine in Pd-0.41-4 with the same prefs where "Startup..."  
contains 'lua' and "Path..." contains '/path/to/pdlua/src'. The Pdlua  
binaries lives in '/path/to/pdlua/src'.

Submitted as bug #1969695

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Mac OS X 10.4.11 using Pd-extended v 0.40.3-20080522, I cannot  
reproduce that.  All of the various ways to quit Pd-extended worked  
for me.


.hc

On May 22, 2008, at 4:08 PM, hard off wrote:


another small glitch on macintel,

'quit pd extended' only works by closing the console window, but  
doesn't work from the menu at the top of the screen.







 



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[hard off]

another small glitch on macintel,

'quit pd extended' only works by closing the console window, but doesn't
work from the menu at the top of the screen.
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[Achim Bornhoeft]

I had to switch to a current nightly-build because the pd-extended 
0.39.3 is not willing ot work without clicks with jack and my old mbox 
under os 10.4.8.
Compared to the older release all movements and draggings of objects 
(especially GUI an GOP objects) are clearly slower. When the CPU load 
exceeds ca. 35-40% on my Powerbook G4 these visual delays are growing 
increasingly.
Is this only the weakness of my computer?

Achim

Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
> Hey all,
> 
> I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making the Pd- 
> extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much ready, so please  
> test it heavily so we can find any outstanding bugs!
> 
> Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having problems  
> loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on that now.
> 
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I forgot to mention, on my old G4 800 PowerBook, everything ran much  
faster and smoother running Debian than running Mac OS X.  It was  
really a big difference between the two.  I recommend trying Ubuntu  
or Debian on your old G4.  Pd runs better on GNU/Linux anyhow.

.hc

On May 21, 2008, at 11:09 PM, Achim Bornhoeft wrote:

> I had to switch to a current nightly-build because the pd-extended  
> 0.39.3 is not willing ot work without clicks with jack and my old  
> mbox under os 10.4.8.
> Compared to the older release all movements and draggings of  
> objects (especially GUI an GOP objects) are clearly slower. When  
> the CPU load exceeds ca. 35-40% on my Powerbook G4 these visual  
> delays are growing increasingly.
> Is this only the weakness of my computer?
>
> Achim
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
>> Hey all,
>> I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making the  
>> Pd- extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much ready, so  
>> please  test it heavily so we can find any outstanding bugs!
>> Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having  
>> problems  loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on that  
>> now.
>> .hc
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Well, it seems that the new look is slower.  I think it should be  
possible to speed things up, but not for this release.  I've used  
this version a bit on a G4 867 and didn't see a big difference, do  
you have any specific details?

.hc

On May 21, 2008, at 11:09 PM, Achim Bornhoeft wrote:

> I had to switch to a current nightly-build because the pd-extended  
> 0.39.3 is not willing ot work without clicks with jack and my old  
> mbox under os 10.4.8.
> Compared to the older release all movements and draggings of  
> objects (especially GUI an GOP objects) are clearly slower. When  
> the CPU load exceeds ca. 35-40% on my Powerbook G4 these visual  
> delays are growing increasingly.
> Is this only the weakness of my computer?
>
> Achim
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
>> Hey all,
>> I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making the  
>> Pd- extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much ready, so  
>> please  test it heavily so we can find any outstanding bugs!
>> Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having  
>> problems  loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on that  
>> now.
>> .hc
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

There is one now, the Mac/Intel machine seems to be a little testy,  
so I need to massage it now and then.


http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2008-05-21/

I think I sorted out the import/declare stuff, I am committing that  
now.  So I hope people will test it tomorrow.


.hc

On May 21, 2008, at 12:38 AM, hard off wrote:


now i have a completely different problem:

there have been no autobuilds for intel mac in the last couple of  
days.  the last one was on the 18th of may.







 



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[hard off]

now i have a completely different problem:

there have been no autobuilds for intel mac in the last couple of days.  the
last one was on the 18th of may.
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

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On May 20, 2008, at 7:33 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> It turns out that IOhannes deleted these aliases, they were in the  
>> flatspace library.
>
> it turns out that georg has implemented an alias system which  
> should be used with zexy.

Hmm, I guess it wasn't implemented in Pd-extended.  In any case,  
let's leave flatspace like this for backwards compatibility.

>>  I restored them:
>
> i thought flatspace was abandoned?
>
> having zexy's [list2symbol] in zexy/ and zexy's [l2s] in flatspace/  
> is surely a good way to confuse everybody.

flatspace is deprecated, but for backwards compatibility, it should  
be left alone.

.hc

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[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> It turns out that IOhannes deleted these aliases, they were in the 
> flatspace library.

it turns out that georg has implemented an alias system which should be 
used with zexy.

>  I restored them:

i thought flatspace was abandoned?

having zexy's [list2symbol] in zexy/ and zexy's [l2s] in flatspace/ is 
surely a good way to confuse everybody.

fgmasdr
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

It turns out that IOhannes deleted these aliases, they were in the  
flatspace library.  I restored them:


http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data? 
view=rev&revision=9858


.hc

On May 20, 2008, at 1:48 PM, hard off wrote:

well, if alias's and the zexy objects don't work, then i don't  
think you should release this, because it will break compatibility  
with a lot of old patches created in 0.39


i dont know how to fix those things, but recently i was given 30 uk  
pounds for helping someone with pd university homework so i can  
donate that to the cause if both those things get fixed.







 



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[hard off]

well, if alias's and the zexy objects don't work, then i don't think you
should release this, because it will break compatibility with a lot of old
patches created in 0.39

i dont know how to fix those things, but recently i was given 30 uk pounds
for helping someone with pd university homework so i can donate that to the
cause if both those things get fixed.
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I am sure it's possible, it is just that no one has done the work to  
make it possible.  I don't use aliases myself, so I couldn't tell you  
what might have changed there.


.hc

On May 20, 2008, at 12:38 AM, hard off wrote:

[l2s] used to work fine in 0.39 extended, you sure it's not  
possible to get alias's working?









 



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[l2s] used to work fine in 0.39 extended, you sure it's not possible to get
alias's working?
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On May 19, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Enrique Erne wrote:

> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On May 17, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Enrique Erne wrote:
>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 On May 13, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Enrique Erne wrote:
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making  
>> the Pd- extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much  
>> ready, so please  test it heavily so we can find any  
>> outstanding bugs!
>> Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having  
>> problems  loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on  
>> that now.
> some objects can't create. i think that all of them are know  
> problems. for me not be able to use <~ and >~ is _most_  
> annoying (hexloader-something?). i know there are workarounds  
> with expr.
> not including iem-t3 lib is a loss but i can live without it.  
> thou it makes around 5 nice netpd patches not usable anymore.
 You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.  
 Please file a bug report for this.
>>> i wrote a bug report for iem_t3
>>> i'm not sure about the hexloader. i found this:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
>>> func=detail&aid=1637460&group_id=55736&atid=478070 should i file  
>>> a new bug report?
>> hexloader should be included in tomorrow's build.  Please test  
>> it.  The t3 stuff should be in today's build.
>
> for some reason the osx i386 didn't build.
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2008-05-19/logs/ 
> 2008-05-19_03.15.00_darwin_macosx104-i386_pd-extended_run-automated- 
> builder.txt
>
> so i tested with Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080519-macosx104-powerpc in  
> Rosetta mode.
>
> it3_delay and the other t3's work!
>
> the hexloader seems to work too
>
> but [<~] is now doing a:
>
> load_object: Symbol "0x3e0x7e_setup" not found
>  expr~ $v1 > $v2
> ... couldn't create
>
> i don't understand the issue here. it seems to load an abstraction  
> 0x3c0x7e.pd with [expr~ $v1 > $v2] and expr~ somehow doesn't create.
>
> when i load a plain [expr~] it _can_ create. and after doing so  
> [<~] is working as well...
>
> should i file a bugreport for... uhm..
> expr or 0x3c0x7e.pd ?

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
func=detail&aid=1637460&group_id=55736&atid=478070


>
> 
>
> i found a new one in the Help/Search input field i can't write  
> anything.  should i file a bug report for this?

Is the leopard?  Feel free to file bug reports.

.hc

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Dan Wilcox]

I have noticed this in older patches using mux as well.  When I upgraded
to 0.40.3 those objects were borken, although once I renamed them to
multiplex, everything is fine.

On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 03:31 +0900, hard off wrote:

> more zexy troubles:
> 
> [l2s] doesn't work, unless a [list2symbol] object is created first.
> 
> i made a patch with a single l2s object in it, and the object cannot
> be created when i load the patch.
> 
> a patch with a single [list2symbol] object loads fine.
> 
> a patch with a single [list2symbol] object created first, and then a
> [l2s] object created second loads fine.
> 
> but a patch with the [l2s] created first and the [list2symbol] created
> second won't load the [l2s]
> 
> 
> 
> same thing with [s2l]
> 
> 
> 
> seems to be general trouble with the naming of the zexy objects that
> have more than one name.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Enrique Erne wrote:

> should i file a bugreport for... uhm..
> expr or 0x3c0x7e.pd ?

for the hexloader

fgmadr
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Thanks, I am glad you like it.  The design was a group effort, though  
I suppose I did almost all of the coding.  My aim was to make it  
easier to read patches.  Hopefully I acheived that goal without  
breaking things in the process.


.hc

On May 19, 2008, at 2:27 PM, hard off wrote:

by the way, it looks really fantastic now.  hans, the work you did  
on the fonts etc, has been really worthwhile.


big ups!







 



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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Yeah, I get that too, but I haven't found the source, and it doesn't  
seem to cause any problems.


.hc

On May 18, 2008, at 8:34 PM, hard off wrote:


next error:


i keep getting messages "pd_vmess: only 5 allowed" when opening  
subpatches






 



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[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Aliases currently aren't supported in Pd-extended.  You have to use  
the real objectclass name, in this case "list2symbol".


.hc

On May 18, 2008, at 8:31 PM, hard off wrote:


more zexy troubles:

[l2s] doesn't work, unless a [list2symbol] object is created first.

i made a patch with a single l2s object in it, and the object  
cannot be created when i load the patch.


a patch with a single [list2symbol] object loads fine.

a patch with a single [list2symbol] object created first, and then  
a [l2s] object created second loads fine.


but a patch with the [l2s] created first and the [list2symbol]  
created second won't load the [l2s]




same thing with [s2l]



seems to be general trouble with the naming of the zexy objects  
that have more than one name.









 



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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

That's due to the troubles with the hexloader.  I just reopened the  
bug report:


http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
func=detail&aid=1637460&group_id=55736&atid=478070


http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2008-05/011653.html

.hc

On May 18, 2008, at 7:57 PM, hard off wrote:

on my 10.4 intel mac, the zexy [>~ ], [<~ ], [&&~ ], [||~],[==~]  
objects aren't working.


other objects in zexy (such as [abs~], [msgfile], etc) work fine.












 



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[Enrique Erne]

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> On May 17, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Enrique Erne wrote:
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> On May 13, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Enrique Erne wrote:
 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> Hey all,
> I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making the 
> Pd- extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much ready, so 
> please  test it heavily so we can find any outstanding bugs!
> Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having 
> problems  loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on that 
> now.
 some objects can't create. i think that all of them are know 
 problems. for me not be able to use <~ and >~ is _most_ annoying 
 (hexloader-something?). i know there are workarounds with expr.
 not including iem-t3 lib is a loss but i can live without it. thou 
 it makes around 5 nice netpd patches not usable anymore.
>>> You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended. 
>>> Please file a bug report for this.
>> i wrote a bug report for iem_t3
>> i'm not sure about the hexloader. i found this:
>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1637460&group_id=55736&atid=478070
>>  
>> should i file a new bug report?
> 
> hexloader should be included in tomorrow's build.  Please test it.  The 
> t3 stuff should be in today's build.

for some reason the osx i386 didn't build.
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2008-05-19/logs/2008-05-19_03.15.00_darwin_macosx104-i386_pd-extended_run-automated-builder.txt

so i tested with Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080519-macosx104-powerpc in 
Rosetta mode.

it3_delay and the other t3's work!

the hexloader seems to work too

but [<~] is now doing a:

load_object: Symbol "0x3e0x7e_setup" not found
  expr~ $v1 > $v2
... couldn't create

i don't understand the issue here. it seems to load an abstraction 
0x3c0x7e.pd with [expr~ $v1 > $v2] and expr~ somehow doesn't create.

when i load a plain [expr~] it _can_ create. and after doing so [<~] is 
working as well...

should i file a bugreport for... uhm..
expr or 0x3c0x7e.pd ?



i found a new one in the Help/Search input field i can't write anything. 
  should i file a bug report for this?


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[hard off]

by the way, it looks really fantastic now.  hans, the work you did on the
fonts etc, has been really worthwhile.

big ups!
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Le 18 mai 08 à 19:57, hard off a écrit :

> on my 10.4 intel mac, the zexy [>~ ], [<~ ], [&&~ ], [||~],[==~]  
> objects aren't working.
Same thing here on 10.4.11 PowerBook G4. Enter 'zexy' before like  
[zexy/>~] doesn't work too.
++

Jack

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> other objects in zexy (such as [abs~], [msgfile], etc) work fine.
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next error:


i keep getting messages "pd_vmess: only 5 allowed" when opening subpatches
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[hard off]

more zexy troubles:

[l2s] doesn't work, unless a [list2symbol] object is created first.

i made a patch with a single l2s object in it, and the object cannot be
created when i load the patch.

a patch with a single [list2symbol] object loads fine.

a patch with a single [list2symbol] object created first, and then a [l2s]
object created second loads fine.

but a patch with the [l2s] created first and the [list2symbol] created
second won't load the [l2s]



same thing with [s2l]



seems to be general trouble with the naming of the zexy objects that have
more than one name.
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on my 10.4 intel mac, the zexy [>~ ], [<~ ], [&&~ ], [||~],[==~] objects
aren't working.

other objects in zexy (such as [abs~], [msgfile], etc) work fine.
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

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On May 17, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Enrique Erne wrote:

> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On May 13, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Enrique Erne wrote:
>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 Hey all,
 I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making  
 the Pd- extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much  
 ready, so please  test it heavily so we can find any outstanding  
 bugs!
 Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having  
 problems  loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on  
 that now.
 .hc
>>>
>>>
>>> hi Hans
>>>
>>> i have been happily working with pd-0.40-extended (20080222) for  
>>> quite a while. there are some issues though.
>>>
>>> Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080504-macosx104-i386 on a osx 10.5.2
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> 1) at the moment if one modifies the preferences of i.e. vanilla  
>>> pd the pd-extended looses all path and startup preferences (this  
>>> is on osx i don't know about win or linux).
>>>
>>> i would like to propose that ~/Library/Preferences/ 
>>> org.puredata.pd.plist will be completely ignored by pd-extended.  
>>> instead only the org.puredata.pd.plist inside the pd-extended app  
>>> should be used.
>>> this way one could have different working setups. what do you think?
>> I think people want to save preferences for Pd-extended too.  The  
>> current situation isn't great, that's true.  If people want  
>> separate preferences, that might be a possibility in a future Pd- 
>> extended release.
>
> ah i forgot that the file inside the app is not save-able
>
>
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> 2) as i reported earlier
>>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-01/058787.html
>>> some objects can't create. i think that all of them are know  
>>> problems. for me not be able to use <~ and >~ is _most_ annoying  
>>> (hexloader-something?). i know there are workarounds with expr.
>>> not including iem-t3 lib is a loss but i can live without it.  
>>> thou it makes around 5 nice netpd patches not usable anymore.
>> You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.  
>> Please file a bug report for this.
>
> i wrote a bug report for iem_t3
>
> i'm not sure about the hexloader. i found this:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
> func=detail&aid=1637460&group_id=55736&atid=478070
> should i file a new bug report?



hexloader should be included in tomorrow's build.  Please test it.   
The t3 stuff should be in today's build.

.hc




>
>
>
>
>>> -
>>>
>>> 3) help files
>>> most help files worked (could create) but some:
>>>
>>> iemmatrix/matrix-help.pd
>>>  mtx
>>> ... couldn't create
>>>
>>> mrpeach/packOSC-help.pd
>>>  packOSC
>>> ... couldn't create
>>>
>>> sssad/sssad-help.pd
>>>  sssad key
>>> ... couldn't create
>>> libdir_loader: added sssad to the canvas-local path
>>>  sssad key
>>> ... couldn't create
>>>
>>> i wondered why some help files worked and some not. i thought it  
>>> was done by org.puredata.pd.plist settings. so i added sssad
>>> loadlib40
>>> sssad
>>> restarted pd, but the help files still couldn't create.
>> please file bug reports for each of these.
>
> done
>
>
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> 4) name clash
>>> [curve] Gem vs. mapping
>>> probably some more
>> Yeah, that's been around a lot time.
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> what are the goals? which externals are supposed to work on  
>>> default? are that the ones in the plist? maybe we should focus on  
>>> them (before i start to open all help files :) )
>> The goal is to fine bugs and fix them :).  Some of the bigger well- 
>> known problems will have to wait until the next release. The  
>> externals in the plist should work without a namespace prefix.   
>> All included externals should work.
>
> uhm . now i filed bug reports for helpfiles of externals that are  
> not on the plist. but they work with namespace prefix (except iem_t3)
>
>>> -
>>>
>>> thanks for all your work and thanks to all the other devs too!
>> Thanks for your bug reports and your work with Pd!
>> .hc
>>>
>>> eni
>>>
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

There is much that can and should be done.  Here's some ideas ranked  
into of difficulty:


- file a bug report when a help patch is not working
- write and improve help patches, and submit them to the patch tracker
- add a search pane to the help panel
- help design and code a library format that bundles objectclasses,  
helpfiles, manuals, examples, etc then write code to index it all,  
and create a GUI to navigate that content


At this point, I think it is mostly a waste of time to do constant  
little workarounds like moving around objects.  We should be putting  
our scarce resources towards real improvements, not temporary fixes,  
IMHO.


.hc

On May 17, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Rich E wrote:


Working here too.  Thanks, again it looks great!

I wanted to mention that one of the most intimidating things for me  
when I was first learning about all the externals in pd is that  
nothing was working by default and I didn't know how to get it  
working.  Pd-extended has come a long way since then, and now I  
know how to look for missing paths, where to find sources and  
compile, etc., but I am sure there are many others that give up on  
pd-extended when things seem 'broken'.


I guess what I am suggesting is that something, anything, be one so  
that the help files can find the externals and the externals can  
find the help files, by default.  If there are issues about  
organization that are later to be sought out, maybe externals like  
[pvoc~] should be moved into flatspace until a better solution is  
committed?


rich

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On May 15, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Rich E wrote:

The May 9th build doesn't have the same problem.  I've also tried  
the newest nightly build on both Gutsy and Hardy, they have the  
same "stacksmashing" error.


Today's build gets rid of the stacksmashing error (for me at  
least).  Please test!  :D


http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2008-05-15/

So now that I've ben searching around in the new Pd-extended, here  
are some things I noticed:


- The new hotkeys (clear console, open help browser) don't work.


Fixed.



- dragging the pd console window (making it longer) makes the  
panel longer too, even if it is already big enough (which it is by  
default


Yeah, that could be a lot nicer...

.hc

- bsaylor's [pvoc~] and [partconv~] externals cannot be found  
because the path isn't added by libdir (the rest of the externals  
in the folder appear to be in extra/flatspace, so they can be  
found.  adding /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/bsaylor to the paths list  
fixes this.


That is as far as I've looked.. time to start messing around  
more.  It looks great, by the way!


Also, I would like to learn how to commit the changes that I know  
how to do so Hans doesn't have to bother, but I am having problems  
with svn right now.   I posted another message about this.


regards,
rich


On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.
> Please file a bug report for this.

i cannot:
"/usr/bin/gnome-open
'http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070'
Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action
command associated with this location."


i guess i should file a bug-report :-)

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[Rich E]

Working here too.  Thanks, again it looks great!

I wanted to mention that one of the most intimidating things for me when I
was first learning about all the externals in pd is that nothing was working
by default and I didn't know how to get it working.  Pd-extended has come a
long way since then, and now I know how to look for missing paths, where to
find sources and compile, etc., but I am sure there are many others that
give up on pd-extended when things seem 'broken'.

I guess what I am suggesting is that something, anything, be one so that the
help files can find the externals and the externals can find the help files,
by default.  If there are issues about organization that are later to be
sought out, maybe externals like [pvoc~] should be moved into flatspace
until a better solution is committed?

rich

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> On May 15, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Rich E wrote:
>
> The May 9th build doesn't have the same problem.  I've also tried the
> newest nightly build on both Gutsy and Hardy, they have the same
> "stacksmashing" error.
>
>
> Today's build gets rid of the stacksmashing error (for me at least).
>  Please test!  :D
>
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2008-05-15/
>
> So now that I've ben searching around in the new Pd-extended, here are some
> things I noticed:
>
> - The new hotkeys (clear console, open help browser) don't work.
>
>
> Fixed.
>
>
> - dragging the pd console window (making it longer) makes the panel longer
> too, even if it is already big enough (which it is by default
>
>
> Yeah, that could be a lot nicer...
>
> .hc
>
> - bsaylor's [pvoc~] and [partconv~] externals cannot be found because the
> path isn't added by libdir (the rest of the externals in the folder appear
> to be in extra/flatspace, so they can be found.  adding
> /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/bsaylor to the paths list fixes this.
>
> That is as far as I've looked.. time to start messing around more.  It
> looks great, by the way!
>
> Also, I would like to learn how to commit the changes that I know how to do
> so Hans doesn't have to bother, but I am having problems with svn right
> now.   I posted another message about this.
>
> regards,
> rich
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> >
>> > You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.
>> > Please file a bug report for this.
>>
>> i cannot:
>> "/usr/bin/gnome-open
>> 'http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070'
>> Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action
>> command associated with this location."
>>
>>
>> i guess i should file a bug-report :-)
>>
>> fgmasdr
>> IOhannes
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[Enrique Erne]

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> On May 13, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Enrique Erne wrote:
> 
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> Hey all,
>>> I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making the Pd- 
>>> extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much ready, so please  
>>> test it heavily so we can find any outstanding bugs!
>>> Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having 
>>> problems  loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on that now.
>>> .hc
>>
>>
>> hi Hans
>>
>> i have been happily working with pd-0.40-extended (20080222) for quite 
>> a while. there are some issues though.
>>
>> Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080504-macosx104-i386 on a osx 10.5.2
>>
>> -
>>
>> 1) at the moment if one modifies the preferences of i.e. vanilla pd 
>> the pd-extended looses all path and startup preferences (this is on 
>> osx i don't know about win or linux).
>>
>> i would like to propose that 
>> ~/Library/Preferences/org.puredata.pd.plist will be completely ignored 
>> by pd-extended. instead only the org.puredata.pd.plist inside the 
>> pd-extended app should be used.
>> this way one could have different working setups. what do you think?
> 
> I think people want to save preferences for Pd-extended too.  The 
> current situation isn't great, that's true.  If people want separate 
> preferences, that might be a possibility in a future Pd-extended release.

ah i forgot that the file inside the app is not save-able


> 
>>
>> -
>>
>> 2) as i reported earlier
>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-01/058787.html
>> some objects can't create. i think that all of them are know problems. 
>> for me not be able to use <~ and >~ is _most_ annoying 
>> (hexloader-something?). i know there are workarounds with expr.
>> not including iem-t3 lib is a loss but i can live without it. thou it 
>> makes around 5 nice netpd patches not usable anymore.
> 
> 
> You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended. Please 
> file a bug report for this.

i wrote a bug report for iem_t3

i'm not sure about the hexloader. i found this:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1637460&group_id=55736&atid=478070
should i file a new bug report?




>> -
>>
>> 3) help files
>> most help files worked (could create) but some:
>>
>> iemmatrix/matrix-help.pd
>>  mtx
>> ... couldn't create
>>
>> mrpeach/packOSC-help.pd
>>  packOSC
>> ... couldn't create
>>
>> sssad/sssad-help.pd
>>  sssad key
>> ... couldn't create
>> libdir_loader: added sssad to the canvas-local path
>>  sssad key
>> ... couldn't create
>>
>> i wondered why some help files worked and some not. i thought it was 
>> done by org.puredata.pd.plist settings. so i added sssad
>> loadlib40
>> sssad
>> restarted pd, but the help files still couldn't create.
> 
> please file bug reports for each of these.

done


> 
>>
>> -
>>
>> 4) name clash
>> [curve] Gem vs. mapping
>> probably some more
> 
> Yeah, that's been around a lot time.
> 
>>
>> -
>>
>> what are the goals? which externals are supposed to work on default? 
>> are that the ones in the plist? maybe we should focus on them (before 
>> i start to open all help files :) )
> 
> The goal is to fine bugs and fix them :).  Some of the bigger well-known 
> problems will have to wait until the next release. The externals in the 
> plist should work without a namespace prefix.  All included externals 
> should work.

uhm . now i filed bug reports for helpfiles of externals that are not on 
the plist. but they work with namespace prefix (except iem_t3)

> 
>> -
>>
>> thanks for all your work and thanks to all the other devs too!
> 
> 
> Thanks for your bug reports and your work with Pd!
> 
> .hc
> 
>>
>> eni
>>
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
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> about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect 
> we're going to win that war.  We're not going to win the war on 
> terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom
> 
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

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On May 15, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Rich E wrote:

The May 9th build doesn't have the same problem.  I've also tried  
the newest nightly build on both Gutsy and Hardy, they have the  
same "stacksmashing" error.


Today's build gets rid of the stacksmashing error (for me at least).   
Please test!  :D


http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2008-05-15/

So now that I've ben searching around in the new Pd-extended, here  
are some things I noticed:


- The new hotkeys (clear console, open help browser) don't work.


Fixed.



- dragging the pd console window (making it longer) makes the panel  
longer too, even if it is already big enough (which it is by default


Yeah, that could be a lot nicer...

.hc

- bsaylor's [pvoc~] and [partconv~] externals cannot be found  
because the path isn't added by libdir (the rest of the externals  
in the folder appear to be in extra/flatspace, so they can be  
found.  adding /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/bsaylor to the paths list  
fixes this.


That is as far as I've looked.. time to start messing around more.   
It looks great, by the way!


Also, I would like to learn how to commit the changes that I know  
how to do so Hans doesn't have to bother, but I am having problems  
with svn right now.   I posted another message about this.


regards,
rich


On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.
> Please file a bug report for this.

i cannot:
"/usr/bin/gnome-open
'http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070'
Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action
command associated with this location."


i guess i should file a bug-report :-)

fgmasdr
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On May 13, 2008, at 8:33 PM, Steffen Juul wrote:

>
> On 13/05/2008, at 20.09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 13, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Enrique Erne wrote:
>>> 1) at the moment if one modifies the preferences of i.e. vanilla pd
>>> the pd-extended looses all path and startup preferences (this is on
>>> osx i don't know about win or linux).
>>>
>>> i would like to propose that ~/Library/Preferences/
>>> org.puredata.pd.plist will be completely ignored by pd-extended.
>>> instead only the org.puredata.pd.plist inside the pd-extended app
>>> should be used.
>>> this way one could have different working setups. what do you think?
>
>
> This resembles a feature request i made, cf.  sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
> func=detail&aid=1818177&group_id=55736&atid=478073>. (So I  
> encourage this.)
>
>> I think people want to save preferences for Pd-extended too.
>
> If there was such option in Pd-extended then people could do either  
> of two to save preferences for Pd-extended:
>
> 1) Enable 'use "internal preferences"' and edit those.
> 2) Disable 'use "internal preferences"' and edit the normal  
> preferences.
>
> It should properly be disabled as standard to suit most users need.



I was thinking that is might be nice to have multiple settings  
"profiles" that you could load and save from the prefs pane with it's  
own GUI like David Golighty's path/startup panes.

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey,

It's great that you are stepping up and starting to work in the SVN.   
There is a very important rule to observe when doing this:  if you  
are going to commit a file that you are not the original creator of,  
always ask the original creator if that is ok!  This is essential to  
preventing us from stepping on each others toes.


For example, please do not commit any changes to the  
default.pdsettings and related files without asking (pd-dev is a good  
place to ask).  Those files need to stay as they are until we work  
out a better solution.


.hc

On May 15, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Rich E wrote:

So I have my svn copy fixed now, but I can't commit any changes.  I  
requested/received dev privileges, but I don't know if that carried  
over to the svn switch.


Anywho, I found a couple more libraries that aren't included in the  
loadlib section of the default.pdsettings and for now I am just  
listing them on the bugtracker.


Hans, is the file at trunk/packages/linux_make/default.pdsettings  
the one that goes into pd-extended?


On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Rich E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I also noticed that [fluid~] and [pool] are missing.  Is this  
because of flext?  These are two of the most used externals that a  
regularly have to make from source, yet they are built fairly  
easily.  Just wondering why they aren't in pd-extended (but the  
help files are).



On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Rich E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The May 9th build doesn't have the same problem.  I've also tried  
the newest nightly build on both Gutsy and Hardy, they have the  
same "stacksmashing" error.


So now that I've ben searching around in the new Pd-extended, here  
are some things I noticed:


- The new hotkeys (clear console, open help browser) don't work.
- dragging the pd console window (making it longer) makes the panel  
longer too, even if it is already big enough (which it is by default
- bsaylor's [pvoc~] and [partconv~] externals cannot be found  
because the path isn't added by libdir (the rest of the externals  
in the folder appear to be in extra/flatspace, so they can be  
found.  adding /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/bsaylor to the paths list  
fixes this.


That is as far as I've looked.. time to start messing around more.   
It looks great, by the way!


Also, I would like to learn how to commit the changes that I know  
how to do so Hans doesn't have to bother, but I am having problems  
with svn right now.   I posted another message about this.


regards,
rich



On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig  
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Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.
> Please file a bug report for this.

i cannot:
"/usr/bin/gnome-open
'http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070'
Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action
command associated with this location."


i guess i should file a bug-report :-)

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Flext isn't part of the automatic builds, that is why they are not  
included.


.hc

On May 15, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Rich E wrote:

I also noticed that [fluid~] and [pool] are missing.  Is this  
because of flext?  These are two of the most used externals that a  
regularly have to make from source, yet they are built fairly  
easily.  Just wondering why they aren't in pd-extended (but the  
help files are).


On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Rich E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The May 9th build doesn't have the same problem.  I've also tried  
the newest nightly build on both Gutsy and Hardy, they have the  
same "stacksmashing" error.


So now that I've ben searching around in the new Pd-extended, here  
are some things I noticed:


- The new hotkeys (clear console, open help browser) don't work.
- dragging the pd console window (making it longer) makes the panel  
longer too, even if it is already big enough (which it is by default
- bsaylor's [pvoc~] and [partconv~] externals cannot be found  
because the path isn't added by libdir (the rest of the externals  
in the folder appear to be in extra/flatspace, so they can be  
found.  adding /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/bsaylor to the paths list  
fixes this.


That is as far as I've looked.. time to start messing around more.   
It looks great, by the way!


Also, I would like to learn how to commit the changes that I know  
how to do so Hans doesn't have to bother, but I am having problems  
with svn right now.   I posted another message about this.


regards,
rich



On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.
> Please file a bug report for this.

i cannot:
"/usr/bin/gnome-open
'http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070'
Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action
command associated with this location."


i guess i should file a bug-report :-)

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Rich E]

So I have my svn copy fixed now, but I can't commit any changes.  I
requested/received dev privileges, but I don't know if that carried over to
the svn switch.

Anywho, I found a couple more libraries that aren't included in the loadlib
section of the default.pdsettings and for now I am just listing them on the
bugtracker.

Hans, is the file at trunk/packages/linux_make/default.pdsettings the one
that goes into pd-extended?

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Rich E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I also noticed that [fluid~] and [pool] are missing.  Is this because of
> flext?  These are two of the most used externals that a regularly have to
> make from source, yet they are built fairly easily.  Just wondering why they
> aren't in pd-extended (but the help files are).
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Rich E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The May 9th build doesn't have the same problem.  I've also tried the
>> newest nightly build on both Gutsy and Hardy, they have the same
>> "stacksmashing" error.
>>
>> So now that I've ben searching around in the new Pd-extended, here are
>> some things I noticed:
>>
>> - The new hotkeys (clear console, open help browser) don't work.
>> - dragging the pd console window (making it longer) makes the panel longer
>> too, even if it is already big enough (which it is by default
>> - bsaylor's [pvoc~] and [partconv~] externals cannot be found because the
>> path isn't added by libdir (the rest of the externals in the folder appear
>> to be in extra/flatspace, so they can be found.  adding
>> /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/bsaylor to the paths list fixes this.
>>
>> That is as far as I've looked.. time to start messing around more.  It
>> looks great, by the way!
>>
>> Also, I would like to learn how to commit the changes that I know how to
>> do so Hans doesn't have to bother, but I am having problems with svn right
>> now.   I posted another message about this.
>>
>> regards,
>> rich
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> >
>>> > You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.
>>> > Please file a bug report for this.
>>>
>>> i cannot:
>>> "/usr/bin/gnome-open
>>> 'http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070'
>>> Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action
>>> command associated with this location."
>>>
>>>
>>> i guess i should file a bug-report :-)
>>>
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Rich E]

I also noticed that [fluid~] and [pool] are missing.  Is this because of
flext?  These are two of the most used externals that a regularly have to
make from source, yet they are built fairly easily.  Just wondering why they
aren't in pd-extended (but the help files are).

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Rich E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The May 9th build doesn't have the same problem.  I've also tried the
> newest nightly build on both Gutsy and Hardy, they have the same
> "stacksmashing" error.
>
> So now that I've ben searching around in the new Pd-extended, here are some
> things I noticed:
>
> - The new hotkeys (clear console, open help browser) don't work.
> - dragging the pd console window (making it longer) makes the panel longer
> too, even if it is already big enough (which it is by default
> - bsaylor's [pvoc~] and [partconv~] externals cannot be found because the
> path isn't added by libdir (the rest of the externals in the folder appear
> to be in extra/flatspace, so they can be found.  adding
> /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/bsaylor to the paths list fixes this.
>
> That is as far as I've looked.. time to start messing around more.  It
> looks great, by the way!
>
> Also, I would like to learn how to commit the changes that I know how to do
> so Hans doesn't have to bother, but I am having problems with svn right
> now.   I posted another message about this.
>
> regards,
> rich
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> >
>> > You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.
>> > Please file a bug report for this.
>>
>> i cannot:
>> "/usr/bin/gnome-open
>> 'http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070'
>> Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action
>> command associated with this location."
>>
>>
>> i guess i should file a bug-report :-)
>>
>> fgmasdr
>> IOhannes
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Rich E]

The May 9th build doesn't have the same problem.  I've also tried the newest
nightly build on both Gutsy and Hardy, they have the same "stacksmashing"
error.

So now that I've ben searching around in the new Pd-extended, here are some
things I noticed:

- The new hotkeys (clear console, open help browser) don't work.
- dragging the pd console window (making it longer) makes the panel longer
too, even if it is already big enough (which it is by default
- bsaylor's [pvoc~] and [partconv~] externals cannot be found because the
path isn't added by libdir (the rest of the externals in the folder appear
to be in extra/flatspace, so they can be found.  adding
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/bsaylor to the paths list fixes this.

That is as far as I've looked.. time to start messing around more.  It looks
great, by the way!

Also, I would like to learn how to commit the changes that I know how to do
so Hans doesn't have to bother, but I am having problems with svn right
now.   I posted another message about this.

regards,
rich


On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >
> > You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.
> > Please file a bug report for this.
>
> i cannot:
> "/usr/bin/gnome-open
> 'http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070'
> Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action
> command associated with this location."
>
>
> i guess i should file a bug-report :-)
>
> fgmasdr
> IOhannes
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds! (Windows)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Oops, thanks for catching that, that was a mistake on my part.  I  
just committed a fix.


.hc


On May 14, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Ingo Scherzinger wrote:


Hans,



on Windows 0.39.3 you could [ctr] [click] to change values while in  
edit mode.


That made working and checking quite fast.

Now it only opens a context menue which is already there if you  
[rightclick].


Please put it back to the old behaviour. This would also make sense  
on Linux in my opinion.


On Mac I don’t know with the one button mouse still being in use?



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[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.  
> Please file a bug report for this.

i cannot:
"/usr/bin/gnome-open 
'http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070'
Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action 
command associated with this location."


i guess i should file a bug-report :-)

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds! (Windows)

[Ingo Scherzinger]

Hans,

 

on Windows 0.39.3 you could [ctr] [click] to change values while in edit
mode.

That made working and checking quite fast.

Now it only opens a context menue which is already there if you
[rightclick].

Please put it back to the old behaviour. This would also make sense on Linux
in my opinion.

On Mac I don't know with the one button mouse still being in use?

 

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Steffen Juul]

On 13/05/2008, at 20.09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> On May 13, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Enrique Erne wrote:
>> 1) at the moment if one modifies the preferences of i.e. vanilla pd
>> the pd-extended looses all path and startup preferences (this is on
>> osx i don't know about win or linux).
>>
>> i would like to propose that ~/Library/Preferences/
>> org.puredata.pd.plist will be completely ignored by pd-extended.
>> instead only the org.puredata.pd.plist inside the pd-extended app
>> should be used.
>> this way one could have different working setups. what do you think?


This resembles a feature request i made, cf. . (So I encourage  
this.)

> I think people want to save preferences for Pd-extended too.

If there was such option in Pd-extended then people could do either  
of two to save preferences for Pd-extended:

1) Enable 'use "internal preferences"' and edit those.
2) Disable 'use "internal preferences"' and edit the normal preferences.

It should properly be disabled as standard to suit most users need. 

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

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On May 13, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Enrique Erne wrote:

> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making the  
>> Pd- extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much ready, so  
>> please  test it heavily so we can find any outstanding bugs!
>> Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having  
>> problems  loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on that  
>> now.
>> .hc
>
>
> hi Hans
>
> i have been happily working with pd-0.40-extended (20080222) for  
> quite a while. there are some issues though.
>
> Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080504-macosx104-i386 on a osx 10.5.2
>
> -
>
> 1) at the moment if one modifies the preferences of i.e. vanilla pd  
> the pd-extended looses all path and startup preferences (this is on  
> osx i don't know about win or linux).
>
> i would like to propose that ~/Library/Preferences/ 
> org.puredata.pd.plist will be completely ignored by pd-extended.  
> instead only the org.puredata.pd.plist inside the pd-extended app  
> should be used.
> this way one could have different working setups. what do you think?

I think people want to save preferences for Pd-extended too.  The  
current situation isn't great, that's true.  If people want separate  
preferences, that might be a possibility in a future Pd-extended  
release.

>
> -
>
> 2) as i reported earlier
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-01/058787.html
> some objects can't create. i think that all of them are know  
> problems. for me not be able to use <~ and >~ is _most_ annoying  
> (hexloader-something?). i know there are workarounds with expr.
> not including iem-t3 lib is a loss but i can live without it. thou  
> it makes around 5 nice netpd patches not usable anymore.


You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.  
Please file a bug report for this.


> -
>
> 3) help files
> most help files worked (could create) but some:
>
> iemmatrix/matrix-help.pd
>  mtx
> ... couldn't create
>
> mrpeach/packOSC-help.pd
>  packOSC
> ... couldn't create
>
> sssad/sssad-help.pd
>  sssad key
> ... couldn't create
> libdir_loader: added sssad to the canvas-local path
>  sssad key
> ... couldn't create
>
> i wondered why some help files worked and some not. i thought it  
> was done by org.puredata.pd.plist settings. so i added sssad
>   loadlib40
>   sssad
> restarted pd, but the help files still couldn't create.

please file bug reports for each of these.

>
> -
>
> 4) name clash
> [curve] Gem vs. mapping
> probably some more

Yeah, that's been around a lot time.

>
> -
>
> what are the goals? which externals are supposed to work on  
> default? are that the ones in the plist? maybe we should focus on  
> them (before i start to open all help files :) )

The goal is to fine bugs and fix them :).  Some of the bigger well- 
known problems will have to wait until the next release. The  
externals in the plist should work without a namespace prefix.  All  
included externals should work.

> -
>
> thanks for all your work and thanks to all the other devs too!


Thanks for your bug reports and your work with Pd!

.hc

>
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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Just my luck, I made an announcement and break things at the same  
time :D.  I was only testing builds on my own machine.  I did some  
testing, this build seems to work for me, and I'll work on fixing  
this crash now:


http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2008-05-09/

.hc

On May 13, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Rich E wrote:



hmm, does it work if you start it with "pd -noprefs"?
i would suspect the problem to be in the "libdir" loader.

Pd will start this way, but if I do just about anything, it will  
show similar errors. For instance, I got this error message when I  
rightclicked-help on the number box (and might I add, what a nice  
looking number box) in the first control example.  This also  
happens when I try to get help on [osc~] in the first audio  
example.  The error messages are almost identical (may even be,  
although I haven't looked too close at the hex numbers).


*** stack smashing detected ***: pd terminated
=== Backtrace: =
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x48)[0xb7db8138]
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x0)[0xb7db80f0]
pd[0x80c2698]
=== Memory map: 
08048000-0811b000 r-xp  08:01 395201 /usr/bin/pd
0811b000-0811d000 rw-p 000d2000 08:01 395201 /usr/bin/pd
0811d000-0a15 rw-p 0811d000 00:00 0  [heap]
b7cbe000-b7cc8000 r-xp  08:01 505984 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
b7cc8000-b7cc9000 rw-p a000 08:01 505984 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
b7cc9000-b7ccb000 rw-p b7cc9000 00:00 0
b7ccb000-b7e14000 r-xp  08:01 523578 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
libc-2.7.so
b7e14000-b7e15000 r--p 00149000 08:01 523578 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
libc-2.7.so
b7e15000-b7e17000 rw-p 0014a000 08:01 523578 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
libc-2.7.so

b7e17000-b7e1a000 rw-p b7e17000 00:00 0
b7e1a000-b7e2e000 r-xp  08:01 523604 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
libpthread-2.7.so
b7e2e000-b7e3 rw-p 00013000 08:01 523604 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
libpthread-2.7.so

b7e3-b7e32000 rw-p b7e3 00:00 0
b7e32000-b7e55000 r-xp  08:01 523586 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
libm-2.7.so
b7e55000-b7e57000 rw-p 00023000 08:01 523586 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
libm-2.7.so
b7e57000-b7e59000 r-xp  08:01 523584 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
libdl-2.7.so
b7e59000-b7e5b000 rw-p 1000 08:01 523584 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
libdl-2.7.so
b7e5b000-b7e6a000 r-xp  08:01 394059 /usr/lib/ 
libjack.so.0.0.28
b7e6a000-b7e6c000 rw-p f000 08:01 394059 /usr/lib/ 
libjack.so.0.0.28

b7e6c000-b7e75000 rw-p b7e6c000 00:00 0
b7e75000-b7e7c000 r-xp  08:01 523608 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
librt-2.7.so
b7e7c000-b7e7e000 rw-p 6000 08:01 523608 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ 
librt-2.7.so
b7e7e000-b7f3d000 r-xp  08:01 393080 /usr/lib/ 
libasound.so.2.0.0
b7f3d000-b7f41000 rw-p 000be000 08:01 393080 /usr/lib/ 
libasound.so.2.0.0

b7f53000-b7f55000 rw-p b7f53000 00:00 0
b7f55000-b7f56000 r-xp b7f55000 00:00 0  [vdso]
b7f56000-b7f7 r-xp  08:01 505939 /lib/ld-2.7.so
b7f7-b7f72000 rw-p 00019000 08:01 505939 /lib/ld-2.7.so
bf8c7000-bf8dc000 rw-p bffeb000 00:00 0  [stack]
Pd: signal 6
pd_gui: pd process exited

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Let's keep this on the list, since it's a generally useful discussion.

I think it's something like this with Debian packages:

mkdir /tmp/pd
dpkg -x /path/to/Pd-extended.deb /tmp/pd
cd /tmp/pd/usr/bin/
./pd

Or since they are regular packages, you can easily install the new  
one, test it, then install the stable one when you are done.


.hc


On May 13, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Joseph Barrows wrote:


Hi Hans,
I would like to assist with the testing, but also need to always  
have a working system, is there an easy way to install two versions  
of PD and not hove them interfere with eachother?

(I'm using Ubuntu)


2008/5/13 Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hey all,

I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making the Pd-
extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much ready, so please
test it heavily so we can find any outstanding bugs!

Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having problems
loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on that now.

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Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!

[Enrique Erne]

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making the Pd- 
> extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much ready, so please  
> test it heavily so we can find any outstanding bugs!
> 
> Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having problems  
> loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on that now.
> 
> .hc


hi Hans

i have been happily working with pd-0.40-extended (20080222) for quite a 
while. there are some issues though.

Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080504-macosx104-i386 on a osx 10.5.2

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1) at the moment if one modifies the preferences of i.e. vanilla pd the 
pd-extended looses all path and startup preferences (this is on osx i 
don't know about win or linux).

i would like to propose that ~/Library/Preferences/org.puredata.pd.plist 
will be completely ignored by pd-extended. instead only the 
org.puredata.pd.plist inside the pd-extended app should be used.
this way one could have different working setups. what do you think?

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2) as i reported earlier
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-01/058787.html
some objects can't create. i think that all of them are know problems. 
for me not be able to use <~ and >~ is _most_ annoying 
(hexloader-something?). i know there are workarounds with expr.
not including iem-t3 lib is a loss but i can live without it. thou it 
makes around 5 nice netpd patches not usable anymore.

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3) help files
most help files worked (could create) but some:

iemmatrix/matrix-help.pd
  mtx
... couldn't create

mrpeach/packOSC-help.pd
  packOSC
... couldn't create

sssad/sssad-help.pd
  sssad key
... couldn't create
libdir_loader: added sssad to the canvas-local path
  sssad key
... couldn't create

i wondered why some help files worked and some not. i thought it was 
done by org.puredata.pd.plist settings. so i added sssad
loadlib40
sssad
restarted pd, but the help files still couldn't create.

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4) name clash
[curve] Gem vs. mapping
probably some more

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what are the goals? which externals are supposed to work on default? are 
that the ones in the plist? maybe we should focus on them (before i 
start to open all help files :) )

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thanks for all your work and thanks to all the other devs too!

eni



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[Rich E]

> hmm, does it work if you start it with "pd -noprefs"?
> i would suspect the problem to be in the "libdir" loader.
>

Pd will start this way, but if I do just about anything, it will show
similar errors. For instance, I got this error message when I
rightclicked-help on the number box (and might I add, what a nice looking
number box) in the first control example.  This also happens when I try to
get help on [osc~] in the first audio example.  The error messages are
almost identical (may even be, although I haven't looked too close at the
hex numbers).

*** stack smashing detected ***: pd terminated
=== Backtrace: =
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x48)[0xb7db8138]
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x0)[0xb7db80f0]
pd[0x80c2698]
=== Memory map: 
08048000-0811b000 r-xp  08:01 395201 /usr/bin/pd
0811b000-0811d000 rw-p 000d2000 08:01 395201 /usr/bin/pd
0811d000-0a15 rw-p 0811d000 00:00 0  [heap]
b7cbe000-b7cc8000 r-xp  08:01 505984 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
b7cc8000-b7cc9000 rw-p a000 08:01 505984 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
b7cc9000-b7ccb000 rw-p b7cc9000 00:00 0
b7ccb000-b7e14000 r-xp  08:01 523578 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libc-2.7.so
b7e14000-b7e15000 r--p 00149000 08:01 523578 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libc-2.7.so
b7e15000-b7e17000 rw-p 0014a000 08:01 523578 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libc-2.7.so
b7e17000-b7e1a000 rw-p b7e17000 00:00 0
b7e1a000-b7e2e000 r-xp  08:01 523604 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libpthread-2.7.so
b7e2e000-b7e3 rw-p 00013000 08:01 523604 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libpthread-2.7.so
b7e3-b7e32000 rw-p b7e3 00:00 0
b7e32000-b7e55000 r-xp  08:01 523586 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libm-2.7.so
b7e55000-b7e57000 rw-p 00023000 08:01 523586 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libm-2.7.so
b7e57000-b7e59000 r-xp  08:01 523584 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libdl-2.7.so
b7e59000-b7e5b000 rw-p 1000 08:01 523584 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libdl-2.7.so
b7e5b000-b7e6a000 r-xp  08:01 394059 /usr/lib/libjack.so.0.0.28
b7e6a000-b7e6c000 rw-p f000 08:01 394059 /usr/lib/libjack.so.0.0.28
b7e6c000-b7e75000 rw-p b7e6c000 00:00 0
b7e75000-b7e7c000 r-xp  08:01 523608 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
librt-2.7.so
b7e7c000-b7e7e000 rw-p 6000 08:01 523608 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
librt-2.7.so
b7e7e000-b7f3d000 r-xp  08:01 393080 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0
b7f3d000-b7f41000 rw-p 000be000 08:01 393080 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0
b7f53000-b7f55000 rw-p b7f53000 00:00 0
b7f55000-b7f56000 r-xp b7f55000 00:00 0  [vdso]
b7f56000-b7f7 r-xp  08:01 505939 /lib/ld-2.7.so
b7f7-b7f72000 rw-p 00019000 08:01 505939 /lib/ld-2.7.so
bf8c7000-bf8dc000 rw-p bffeb000 00:00 0  [stack]
Pd: signal 6
pd_gui: pd process exited
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Rich E wrote:
> 
> Not good results; pd terminates immediately as fallows:


hmm, does it work if you start it with "pd -noprefs"?
i would suspect the problem to be in the "libdir" loader.


mfgafrt
IOhannes

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[Rich E]

I just tried installing
Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080512-ubuntu-hardy-i386.debon
a fresh install of Ubuntu Hardy, running the rt kernel.  Well, almost
fresh; I installed all the packages for compiling Ardour 3.0, which includes
the latest jack stuff.

Not good results; pd terminates immediately as fallows:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/pd/bugs$ pd
tk scaling is 1.79053373615
*** stack smashing detected ***: pd terminated
=== Backtrace: =
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x48)[0xb7e10138]
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x0)[0xb7e100f0]
pd[0x80c0642]
=== Memory map: 
08048000-0811b000 r-xp  08:01 395096 /usr/bin/pd
0811b000-0811d000 rw-p 000d2000 08:01 395096 /usr/bin/pd
0811d000-0a15 rw-p 0811d000 00:00 0  [heap]
b7d21000-b7d23000 rw-p b7d21000 00:00 0
b7d23000-b7e6c000 r-xp  08:01 523578 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libc-2.7.so
b7e6c000-b7e6d000 r--p 00149000 08:01 523578 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libc-2.7.so
b7e6d000-b7e6f000 rw-p 0014a000 08:01 523578 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libc-2.7.so
b7e6f000-b7e72000 rw-p b7e6f000 00:00 0
b7e72000-b7e86000 r-xp  08:01 523604 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libpthread-2.7.so
b7e86000-b7e88000 rw-p 00013000 08:01 523604 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libpthread-2.7.so
b7e88000-b7e8a000 rw-p b7e88000 00:00 0
b7e8a000-b7ead000 r-xp  08:01 523586 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libm-2.7.so
b7ead000-b7eaf000 rw-p 00023000 08:01 523586 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libm-2.7.so
b7eaf000-b7eb1000 r-xp  08:01 523584 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libdl-2.7.so
b7eb1000-b7eb3000 rw-p 1000 08:01 523584 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
libdl-2.7.so
b7eb3000-b7ec2000 r-xp  08:01 394059 /usr/lib/libjack.so.0.0.28
b7ec2000-b7ec4000 rw-p f000 08:01 394059 /usr/lib/libjack.so.0.0.28
b7ec4000-b7ecd000 rw-p b7ec4000 00:00 0
b7ecd000-b7ed4000 r-xp  08:01 523608 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
librt-2.7.so
b7ed4000-b7ed6000 rw-p 6000 08:01 523608 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
librt-2.7.so
b7ed6000-b7f95000 r-xp  08:01 393080 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0
b7f95000-b7f99000 rw-p 000be000 08:01 393080 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0
b7f9d000-b7fa7000 r-xp  08:01 505984 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
b7fa7000-b7fa8000 rw-p a000 08:01 505984 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
b7fa8000-b7fa9000 r-xp  08:01 752586
/usr/lib/pd/extra/libdir.pd_linux
b7fa9000-b7faa000 rw-p  08:01 752586
/usr/lib/pd/extra/libdir.pd_linux
b7faa000-b7fac000 rw-p b7faa000 00:00 0
b7fac000-b7fad000 r-xp b7fac000 00:00 0  [vdso]
b7fad000-b7fc7000 r-xp  08:01 505939 /lib/ld-2.7.so
b7fc7000-b7fc9000 rw-p 00019000 08:01 505939 /lib/ld-2.7.so
bfd36000-bfd4b000 rw-p bffeb000 00:00 0  [stack]
Pd: signal 6
pd_gui: pd process exited


I hope it is something obvious.  I also tried all the other debian-related
packages (stable, unstable, ubuntu gutsy, for 0.41-4 as well), but gdeb
doesnt detect libgsl0 and I am stuck there.  I have installed the apt
packages for libgsl0 and have also installed it from source, so I don't know
what it is really looking for.

regards,
rich



On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

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> Hey all,
>
> I've been fixing quite a lot of bugs in preparation of making the Pd-
> extended 0.40.3 release.  It's getting pretty much ready, so please
> test it heavily so we can find any outstanding bugs!
>
> Jack just pointed out that pdp on Mac OS X/PowerPC is having problems
> loading videos, and is crashing, so I am working on that now.
>
> .hc
>
> 
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