Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 11/17/2016 02:59 AM, Bastiaan van den Berg wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:33 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig  > wrote:
> 
> on which Debian version are the default images for C.H.I.P based?
> 
> 
> It's debian jessie
> 

so how did you manage to "install a much older version of Pd"?
Debian/jessie has always shipped Pd-0.46-2

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/puredata


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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Bastiaan van den Berg]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:33 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig 
wrote:

> on which Debian version are the default images for C.H.I.P based?
>

It's debian jessie

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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 11/16/2016 02:20 PM, Peter Nyboer wrote:
> The easy way of `sudo apt-get install puredata` installed
> a much older version of PD. 

on which Debian version are the default images for C.H.I.P based?

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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Peter Nyboer]

Thanks for all the input on the PureData and C.H.I.P. install!

The docs at http://docs.getchip.com/chip.html 
 had build instructions because, at the time 
of writing and after trying to find a definitive solution, that seemed to be 
the most reliable way to install PureData vanilla 0.46. The easy way of `sudo 
apt-get install puredata` installed a much older version of PD. 

Besides, you gotta cut a dude a break - documenting PureData installation in 
the main documentation for this SOC was not exactly a mandate. Also, note that 
the documentation is a github repo, so if there’s anything that seems vital or 
incorrect, you can make a pull request at https://github.com/getchip/CHIP-Docs/ 
 and we can roll in the changes.

I’ve updated the docs and my ‘newchipsetup’ scripts 
https://github.com/nyboer/newchipsetup  
to use the sources at https://packages.debian.org/stretch/puredata 
, per Ioannes’s suggestion. 

Best,

Peter

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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[rolfm]

following the method described in the install.txt in Miller's tar-ball 
Puredata 0.47-1
including the 'make -f install .' works for me on Pi3 Raspbian 
Jessie.


(@Dan it starts with ./autogen.sh)

NB i'm not completely sure i didn't install some extra packages earlier 
on,

like 'devscripts' e.g..

rolf

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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2016-11-03 10:31, Bastiaan van den Berg wrote:
> You all suck at finding documentation ;)
> 
> Check this out!
> 
> http://docs.getchip.com/chip.html#building-and-installing-puredata-pd-on-chip


lo and behold!, that's the best answer so far...
how to download, build and install a version of Pd that is already
available via apt-get anyhow, the complicated way. :-)

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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Bastiaan van den Berg]

You all suck at finding documentation ;)

Check this out!

http://docs.getchip.com/chip.html#building-and-installing-puredata-pd-on-chip

On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Richie Cyngler  wrote:

> I tried to build it on RPi 2 (also noob here - my first build ever). I
> think I installed all the required build tools. It almost worked on the
> third try but still wouldn't launch. I'd love to hear how your attempt goes
> Alexandre.
>
>
> On Thursday, 3 November 2016, Alexandre Torres Porres 
> wrote:
>
>> Does the CHIP have that same architecture? (armv7) Worth a try.
>>>
>>
>> yes it does :)  armv7!
>>
>>
>>> The standard auto tools method
>>>
>>
>> cool
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Richie Cyngler]

I tried to build it on RPi 2 (also noob here - my first build ever). I
think I installed all the required build tools. It almost worked on the
third try but still wouldn't launch. I'd love to hear how your attempt goes
Alexandre.


On Thursday, 3 November 2016, Alexandre Torres Porres 
wrote:

> Does the CHIP have that same architecture? (armv7) Worth a try.
>>
>
> yes it does :)  armv7!
>
>
>> The standard auto tools method
>>
>
> cool
>
>
>

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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

>
> Does the CHIP have that same architecture? (armv7) Worth a try.
>

yes it does :)  armv7!


> The standard auto tools method
>

cool
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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Dan Wilcox]

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres  wrote:
> and/or download the prebuilt binary from Miller
> 
> So there's a pre-built version from Miller that should work on C.H.I.P., and 
> is this the one? :)

I dunno. Does the CHIP have that same architecture? (armv7) Worth a try.

> Pd version 0.47-1 compiled for ARMv7/linux (Raspberry Pi version 2; UDOO) (4 
> Megabytes) . <>
>  
> and/or download the source and build it yourself (it’s easy).
> 
>  step by step recipe for dummies?
>  <>

The standard auto tools method (I think this is listed in the readme/install 
instructions):

cd path/to/pd/source
./configure
make

run with:

cd bin
./pd

install with:

sudo make install


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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2016-11-02 20:19 GMT-02:00 Dan Wilcox :

> you might be able to add a separate ppa source for newer builds
>

don't get what the first meant :/ but not important!


> and/or download the prebuilt binary from Miller
>

So there's a pre-built version from Miller that should work on C.H.I.P.,
and is this the one? :)

Pd version 0.47-1 compiled for ARMv7/linux (Raspberry Pi version 2; UDOO)
(4 Megabytes) .


> and/or download the source and build it yourself (it’s easy).
>

 step by step recipe for dummies?

thanks
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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Dan Wilcox]

In most Linux distributions, versions are set in the package manager and 
changing versions of the distribution (aka Ubuntu 10.4 to 10.10, etc) changes 
the versions of all packages on the system. This is a *good* thing since many 
programs rely on specific versions of libraries and changing certain things but 
not others can lead to instability, crashes, etc. Which version of pd that is 
in the package manager is then defined by which overall version of the 
distribution you are using.

Debian sticks with a “stable” and “unstable” metaphor where stable is usually 
older but much more tested and hence “stable. If you want newer and more 
bleeding edge stuff, you’ll need to use the unstable distribution instead which 
probably has a newer version of pd. Barring that, you might be able to add a 
separate ppa source for newer builds and/or download the prebuilt binary from 
Miller and/or download the source and build it yourself (it’s easy).


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> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:57 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> From: Richie Cyngler <glitch...@gmail.com <mailto:glitch...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47
> Date: November 2, 2016 at 2:57:15 PM MDT
> To: "ben...@free.fr <mailto:ben...@free.fr>" <ben...@free.fr 
> <mailto:ben...@free.fr>>
> Cc: "pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>" 
> <pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>
> 
> 
> I've had the same issue on RPi. I'm no backend Linux guy either but it seems 
> problematic for Pd's available current version to be tied to an OS release. 
> Is there some way around this?

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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 11/02/2016 09:57 PM, Richie Cyngler wrote:
> I've had the same issue on RPi. I'm no backend Linux guy either but it
> seems problematic for Pd's available current version to be tied to an OS
> release.

why is this problematic?

the entire point of a distribution (which is a more accurate term than
"OS"), is to ensure that all the components play together *nicely*.
this works suprisingly well, given that Debian/stable (the one with
Pd-0.46) has about 57000 software packages, that *all* play together nicely.

> Is there some way around this?

it occurs to me, that i have posted one a number of times.


anyhow, I'm planning to provide backports once Debian/stretch has been
released.

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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Benjamin ~ b01]

as previously answered by IOhannes :


> On 2016-10-25 03:12, Peter Nyboer wrote:
>> Is 47 available via apt, or is 46 the latest I can get through this method?
> certainly Pd-0.47 is available via the official Debian apt repositories.
>
> but Debian/jessie (aka stable) has been released 2015-04, when the
> current Pd version was 0.46.
> so in order to use the 0.47 packages, you need to do a system upgrade to
> stretch (currently testing).
>
> you *might* have luck with manually downloading/installing the stretch
> packages¹ on your jessie system (totally untested; also, i would *not*
> recommend adding stretch to your apt-sources, as the entire C++ stack
> has changed and you might just blow your system).
>
>
> fgamsdr
> IOhannes
>
>
> PS: and not to forget: i have posted instructions to this list numerous
> times, how to build your own debs (based on the original Debian
> packages) for your odd system (e.g. raspberries running jessie) - which
> happens to also work in your case!
>
> ¹ https://packages.debian.org/stretch/puredata
>
btw, I'm curious about the result

++
b

On 02/11/2016 18:23, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> howdy, so I finally tried installing pd vanilla on my C.H.I.P.
>
> tried apt-get install puredata and got Pd 0.46
>
> where's 0.47?
>
> it's a debian package and an ARM architecture, so, can you install
> 0.47 in C.H.I.P.? Anyone did it?
>
> sorry I'm really dumb on this, never really messed with linux or anything
>
> cheers
>
>
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Re: [PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Peter P.]

* Alexandre Torres Porres  [2016-11-02 18:24]:
> howdy, so I finally tried installing pd vanilla on my C.H.I.P.
Congratulations! But what is a C.H.I.P.?
 
> tried apt-get install puredata and got Pd 0.46
> 
> where's 0.47?
$ aptitude versions puredata

or search https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

which might show you the available versions. If this is a Debian system
you would have to use the "testing" version of the package. 
Perhaps see 
https://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing
(unverified)
 
> it's a debian package and an ARM architecture, so, can you install 0.47 in
> C.H.I.P.? Anyone did it?
> 
> sorry I'm really dumb on this, never really messed with linux or anything
Don't worry, you are almost there™

Peter

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[PD] C.H.I.P. & Pd Vanilla 0.47

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

howdy, so I finally tried installing pd vanilla on my C.H.I.P.

tried apt-get install puredata and got Pd 0.46

where's 0.47?

it's a debian package and an ARM architecture, so, can you install 0.47 in
C.H.I.P.? Anyone did it?

sorry I'm really dumb on this, never really messed with linux or anything

cheers
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