Re: MZ-S-Finder?

2001-07-03 Thread Heiko Hamann

Hy Jan,

on 02 Jul 01 you wrote in an article concerning
"Re: MZ-S-Finder?":

>From what I have heard, it is closer to the MZ-5n, it is a little better
>for persons with glasses but it is NOT a high-eyepoint finder.
That's what I've heard also. To put such a finder into a semi-pro camera  
ist not very competitive, I think...
>
>The only real high-eyepoint solution by Pentax (35mm) at the moment
>would be the action-finder on the LX I guess. (FB-1 + FC-1).
>
>Note: High eyepoint comes at the cost of LOWER magnification,
>making manual focusing less precise.

Yes, that's the problem: As I understand the action-finder, you use it  
with a distance of 6cm to your eye. It is more like a little screen than  
a finder. This distance in combination with the lower magnification  
you've mentioned makes focussing quite uncomfortable.

I really wonder which Pentax would be comfortable if you're wearing  
glasses...

Regards, Heiko

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Re: Old vs new...

2001-07-03 Thread Alan Chan

It's time to purchase some FA Limited lenses...

regards,
Alan Chan

>Hi,
>Being on the used equipment market I had the chance to see a lot of older
>Pentax (and non-Pentax) lenses: Takumars, M's and A's. Most of them are of
>course primes, although some zooms appeared too. I bought two in the last
>two months: SMC M 50mm/f2 and SMC A 28mm/f2,8. Gee, what a different 
>"touch"
>they have, comparing to the contemporary plastic stuff. They look solid,
>professional, elegant, serious... perhaps "classic" is the right word...
>Nowadays consumer grade lenses look like toys - very fragile, light (too
>light?) etc... I don't especially like the construction of the FA lenses -
>my 80-200/f4,7-5,6, although optically very good, seems so fragile, that I
>have constant, subconscious fear of breaking it...
>Those old lenses have such a "feeling", that I cought myself holding them
>for just a pleasure of... holding:)) Seems like I've got some collector
>tendencies...
>Greetz
>Artur

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RE: A clue to the flash-impaired?

2001-07-03 Thread Jostein Oksne

Hi Chris!
I think the GN gives a clue to the distance for correct exposure. 
With grey cards and stuff.

But I must admit your example makes me wonder...
Jostein

> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Brogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Ok, stupid question time.  Does using the guide number like 
> this give you the maximum distance at which you can fully 
> illuminate a subject, or is it the furthest that the effects of the
> flash can be seen, however minimally?
> 
> For example, the 500FTZ has a GN of 50 meters.  
> If I'm using an f2 lens (down to 25m now) and shooting 
> with ISO 400 film (doubling the effective distance 
> of the flash), can I really get a fully illuminated 
> subject 50m away? Or is that just the furthest that I 
> can reasonably expect to see some effects of the flash?
> 
> chris
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Re: Z-1 and stuff

2001-07-03 Thread Pentax Clover

Hello
I am also looking for selling Pentax stuff:
Z-1 Special edition and 28-70mm f/:2..8 FA for about 720$
500FTZ about 120$
Someone interested ?

See you

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Sent: mercredi 4 juillet 2001 01:46
Subject: Z-1 and stuff


> == Not sure this made it out so I'm reposting. If it did, sorry for the
dupe. ==
> =
>
> I've got a few things I'm going to sell on eBay, but wanted to give the
list members first shot.
>
>
> Pentax Z-1 with Grip Strap and manual (PZ-1) with box in EX+ condition
(KEH) - $350.00
>
> Pentax SMC 28-80 Power Zoom in LN- condition (KEH) - $75.00
>
> Pentax P30t with SMC-A 50mm f/2 in EX+ condition (KEH) - $95.00
>
>
> The above prices are plus shipping and insurance via USPS Priority Mail.
>
> I can accept money orders, cashiers check or PayPal.
>
>
> If interested, please contact me OFF-LIST at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Later,
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Re: what filters are your favorites and why?

2001-07-03 Thread Paul Jones

Hi,

The filters i use the most are UVs just to protect the lense, 81B to warm
things up a bit, polarizer and a colour correction filter for use under
tungsten light (think its an 80B).

If i had to take any one filter with me, it would be the polarizer or the
81B.

Cya
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Subject: Re: what filters are your favorites and why?


> being somewhat new to all of this i maybe asking the obvious question and
for
> that i apologize if i bore some of the more senior pug-sters but i'd like
to
> learn from their obvious experience.
>
> what filter(s) do u love, can't live w/o, would never ever not have with u
> when u grab a loaded camera and head out the door?
>
> and why that (those) particular filter(s)?
>
> what does it specifically do for your images?
>
> again, thank u for sharing
>
> robo
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Re: what filters are your favorites and why?

2001-07-03 Thread RobFilms

being somewhat new to all of this i maybe asking the obvious question and for 
that i apologize if i bore some of the more senior pug-sters but i'd like to 
learn from their obvious experience.

what filter(s) do u love, can't live w/o, would never ever not have with u 
when u grab a loaded camera and head out the door?

and why that (those) particular filter(s)?

what does it specifically do for your images?

again, thank u for sharing

robo
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July PUG

2001-07-03 Thread Chris Niesmertelny

"Shadows at Play" by Ollen Mullis.

Outstanding image.  Congratulations!

Best,

Chris
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Re: Suggestions to the list re PUG comments

2001-07-03 Thread tom

Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> The chorus,
> 
> It doesn't seem that complicated to me. That reads as
> a condescending pompous statement from one who assumes
> "special" insights. Maybe I'm too uncomplicated.

What is this in response to?

tv
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Re: Comments welcomed

2001-07-03 Thread Anand DHUPKAR

wonderful !
i must say, you have a kind of style of your own.  the light - rather the 
way you catch the light and composition - i somehow find unique.
shall go over in details again and again.  really inspiring.

anand


>From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: pentax-discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Comments welcomed
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Group,
>
>I'm floating my new website for your review.
>I welcome your candid impression of the "look" of the
>site, but primarily, the work itself.
>I value your collective opinions.
>www.photolightimages.com
>
>Jack
>
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Re: My wonderful day, sort of OT

2001-07-03 Thread Anand DHUPKAR

really felt nice to read about your nice day.
i was thrilled too.  actually, it reminds me - long back not only during my 
school even during college days too i used to paint - and those concepts of 
composition still stand valid in photography.  in fact, i kind of moved to 
photography on account of lack of time - couldn't find that much time to do 
a painting - especially portraits.  with camera, you can do a lot.  and then 
i somehow stuck with camera only.  however, as i was reading your message, 
it struck me again - light, composition, colors, contrast, all those things 
we talk in photography - are basically inherited from painting.

thanks a lot for helping me re-new my old interests.

anand.


>From: Jon Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: My wonderful day, sort of OT
>Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 02:30:18 +0800
>
>Hi all
>
>I managed to catch up with my 84 year old aunt today, or is it yesterday
>already? Whatever. :-) I haven't seen her for almost 5 years and haven't
>visited her for the best part of twenty five years. My mother had told me
>last week that she (my aunt) wanted to have a look at some of my
>photographs, and maybe I'd like to look at her paintings. I couldn't agree
>quickly enough.
>
>Anyway, we popped down there for the afternoon for a visit. My aunt is 84,
>going on 25. She still paints, and has about 3 works on the go at present.
>She and my uncle had dragged out every canvas for viewing. Some of them are
>absolutely wonderful. One took my eye almost immediately, a painting of a
>street in ... erm ... [insert city in Europe here]. My mind is playing
>silly buggers with me, I'll remember the city later, about a minute after I
>post this. It is a most wonderful picture. I'm probably the worst art
>critic in the world, and that'd be stating the bleeding obvious. I was
>smitten with the painting, and I'll have to talk to my mum about what it'll
>take to acquire it.
>
>We talked about her methods and how she was still learning how to do
>things. We talked about light, we talked about colours, we talked about
>technique, we talked about composition. It is a shame I have as much talent
>as painting as I do at bricklaying, which suffice to say is almost nil. I
>was amazed that she was still learning new techniques, some of which
>require quite a deal of control to master. She was unfazed about learning
>them, but her eyesight isn't as good these days, so it is a bit harder than
>it should be. :-)
>
>We talked about how she got started, and how she wasn't allowed to draw
>when she was a kid. It wasn't until she was living on the farm, and things
>were good, that she picked up a paint brush and started to paint. She still
>goes to workshops, and showed us a charcoal on paper drawing she did at the
>last one she attended, about 2 years ago. The workshop was on getting ideas
>on paper in a short amount of time, using the minimum amount of effort (or
>something like that). I reckon had the person in the drawing walked in the
>door he would have been recognised from the drawing.
>
>All in all, some of her insights will be incorporated into how I see images
>when I'm about to photograph them.
>
>We got onto my photographs. Where I look at the picture and see the image,
>my aunt was taken by the light on objects, by how scenes flowed, how the
>colours came together in a scene. I said she could keep any of the photos
>she wanted, as I have the negatives, and re-prints are pretty cheap. She
>was unsure, but I still left about 20 or 25 photos with her. I found it
>pleasing that a lot of the ones she wanted to keep are among my favourite
>photographs.
>
>The one she liked the most is the one that sits above my computer here at
>home. The same photograph is my backdrop to windows at work, and has been
>for the past year and a half. One day I may get around to submitting it to
>the PUG, but I'm more inclined to be selfish, and keep it to myself. LOL
>
>I left thinking it would be a shame to let 5 years go by without visiting
>again. Maybe I will take some 12 x 8's when I go visiting next time.
>
>All in all it was an inspiring day. I came away feeling that if I live to
>be 85, and still think of myself as a wrinkled 25 year old, I'll be doing
>alright. If I can still be learning new things at the same time I think
>I'll have done better that could ever have been expected.
>
>Like the subject says, it was my wonderful day. I just thought I'd share a
>bit of it with the list.
>
>Cheers
>
>
>Jon
>
>Relax! Take life as it comes, you can't chase the sun, you can't race the 
>wind
>
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RE: Suggestions to the list re PUG comments

2001-07-03 Thread Jack Davis

The chorus,

It doesn't seem that complicated to me. That reads as
a condescending pompous statement from one who assumes
"special" insights. Maybe I'm too uncomplicated.

When anyone reads a critique of his/her work, each
word sears the sole. Glowing adjectives intoxicate
with delight and innocuous, pleasant, patronizing
remarks sober the spirit. There is no hiding the truth
of their meaning.

Be as honest as consideration allows. Simply apply
degrees of enthusiasm by carefully selecting only
encouraging words. If someone is delusional, they will
eventually re-interpret any remarks to mean whatever
they want them to mean regardless of their intended
message.

Obviously, in the case of an international sight such
as ours, special considerations must apply. However
subtle, language barriers require particular skill to 
guarantee a sensitive message is accurately received.

Jack  


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Re: trouble with adapter "K"

2001-07-03 Thread Chris Brogden

On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Christopher Lillja wrote:

> Anyway, I found "K" adapters on B&H, but none of them seem to be
> genuine Pentax. Any idea where I could find the real thing? Does
> Pentax make them anymore?
> 
> Or should I just buy an old Spotmatic? :>)

Of course!  (To all of your questions)  :)

The old Spotties are pretty nice, and the pre-Spotmatic Pentaxes are
beautiful.  Any camera store should have the official ones or be able to
get them in for you.  If you can't find one, let me know and I can sell
you a new one for $16 US plus shipping (probably about $2 US).


chris

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Re: trouble with adapter "K"

2001-07-03 Thread Christopher Lillja

Thanks for the help, guys. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be an M42 to "K" adapter. 
Several M42 lenses thread into it effortlessly, it just doesn't mate up to a "k" mount 
body. It looks perfect but it's probably just junk.

Anyway, I found "K" adapters on B&H, but none of them seem to be genuine Pentax. Any 
idea where I could find the real thing? Does Pentax make them anymore?

Or should I just buy an old Spotmatic? :>)

Thanks,

Chris L.
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Re: Suggestion to the list re PUG comments

2001-07-03 Thread aimcompute

I think right now the lack of comments may be that it's summer in the
northern hemisphere. In my case it's because I'm swamped at work.

Tom C.

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From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 5:05 PM
Subject: Suggestion to the list re PUG comments


> Hi all,
>
> I think that this is silly, that we individually should have to post
messages to the list (or at submission - I had totally forgotten about it)
saying that we want comments on our PUG submissions.
>
> Who doesn't want his/her picture commented on?
> If there is such a person I rather think that this person is the one who
should say so.
>
> Each new PUG used to be a party. Now it's like nobody dare say anything
and there seems to be a general confusion about it.
>
> I suggest that default mode be "Comments welcome!". This is the obvious
and easiest way, isn't it?
>
> (Let's just regard the incident (the ill-advised harsh approach) the other
month a solitary one, one that anyhow isn't very likely to get repeated.)
>
> What d'ya all say? Back to the original concept?
>
> Lasse
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Re: Suggestion to the list re PUG comments

2001-07-03 Thread Chris Brogden

On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Frank Theriault wrote:

> Seems to me that any image posted on any given month should be open to
> comment/criticism.

It *is* open to comments/criticism.  The organized comments are meant to
*add onto* this, not replace it.
 
> The semi-formalized critiques organized by Chris Brogden are another
> animal altogether, and should not stop anyone from commenting on any
> image that moves them, for better or worse!

Agreed, 200%!

chris

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Re: Suggestion to the list re PUG comments

2001-07-03 Thread Chris Brogden

On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Lasse Karlsson wrote:

> I think that this is silly, that we individually should have to post
> messages to the list (or at submission - I had totally forgotten about
> it) saying that we want comments on our PUG submissions.

Well, we're talking about two different things.  You don't have to post to
the list saying that you want your photo commented on.  Anyone from the
list can comment on any photo they want to; that remains
unchanged.  Asking me off-list for comments at the time of submission is a
separate thing.  That's just a way that you can be reasonably sure that
your photo will be commented on, and since the commentators only have a
few "assigned" photos, they can sometimes go into more depth than they
otherwise could.

So, if you want comments, you can do three things: (1) Do nothing, and
hope that someone finds your image worthy of talking about.  (2) Ask the
list for comments.  This does not guarantee that you will receive any
comments, but it opens your request to the entire PDML to see.  (3) Ask
me off-list to add your photo to the ones that the commentators will talk
about.  This hopefully ensures that you'll receive thoughtful feedback
about your photo, though it may limit it to one or two
commentators.  There's no reason why you can't do (2) and (3) both, though
part of the idea of the organized comments was to reduce the amount of
list traffic asking for comments.
 
> Who doesn't want his/her picture commented on? If there is such a
> person I rather think that this person is the one who should say so.

Since the PUG and the PDML are separate entities, the list consensus was
that submitting to the PUG is not necessarily a request for organized
comments from the PDML.  Also, some people use the PUG just for sharing
photos that have a special value or meaning to them, and that don't
necessarily have any artistic intent or value.  The PUG is not a
critique-oriented site.  On this basis, I'm for leaving the organized
comments as an opt-in process, and not as the default.

This is probably confusing for some because they don't understand the
distinction between the organized comments and comments in general.  I
don't think it's a good idea to have organized comments on every photo
submitted, for the above reasons.  However, if a photo catches your eye or
if you feel like commenting on it for any reason, every photo is wide open
for general comments to the list.  There are *no* restrictions on talking
about any photo you want to.  All I'm saying is that the *organized*
comments are something that should be requested by the photographer if
they want them, and not done for every shot submitted.  As far as general
comments or criticisms go, feel free to jump in and say stuff!

> Each new PUG used to be a party. Now it's like nobody dare say
> anything and there seems to be a general confusion about it.

I hope that this email clears up some of the confusion.  If not, ask me
again.  :)
 
> I suggest that default mode be "Comments welcome!". This is the
> obvious and easiest way, isn't it?

Unsolicited comments about any photo you feel like saying something about
are always okay, IMO, as is asking the list for comments on your
submission.  Just don't expect your photo to be part of the organized
commentary unless you specifically request it to be.

If this is still too confusing, or if people don't see the value of the
organized comments, I don't have a problem with abandoning the idea
altogether.

chris

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Re: OT: BW prints from color negs

2001-07-03 Thread PAUL STENQUIST




> Jim Apilado wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > I have to make some black and white enlargements from color negs.  What is
> > the name of the process that I would tell a custom lab that I want?
>
I've produced some fairly good BW prints from color negs on Kodak
Panalure paper. It's a bit tricky to work with since you can't use a
safelight, but the results are acceptable. A better option, in my
opinion, is to scan the neg into PhotoShop as an RGB file, then convert
the file to grayscale and print it digitally. I've found that this works
very well.
Paul
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Re: Suggestion to the list re PUG comments

2001-07-03 Thread Rfsindg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I agree, Lasse.  I think there has been a "comments freeze" of late,  
<>

Seems to me that any image posted on any given month should be open to 
comment/criticism.  If one is thin skinned, one may wish to say "comments not 
welcome", or some such thing.
 
But I agree with you, the anticipation of the first of the month, seems to be 
diminished now.  I love to look at the Gallery, but the following "free for 
all" seems not to be there, taking with it much of the fun of the event!
 
<>  

Count my for for "back to the original concept"!  >>

Frank,

One of the problems is the success of the gallery.  There are so many images 
that it has become more difficult to review all of them and pick which you 
like best or offer comments.  It's easy when 5 or 6 are really standouts 
above the rest.  It is harder when it's 15 or 20 that are really good and 
deserve some thought.

Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: Replacement for Agfa Ultra 50

2001-07-03 Thread Aaron Reynolds



Joseph Tainter wrote:
> 
> Here's what the rumors have been, in the order I have seen them on
> rec.photo.film+labs:
> 
> 1. An ISO 100 replacement exists for Ultra 50.
> 
> 2. No U.S. dealers ordered it, so it will not be sold here.
> 
> 3. Agfa has restructured, stopped trying to sell its film division, has
> a new commitment to film, and the Ultra 50 may go on sale after all.

1. It has not yet been released, but it is in the works.

2. Bull.  It hasn't yet hit the market.

3. Ultra 50's production line has already been shut down.  If it were
easy to get it going again, Agfa would have, to take advantage of this
sudden, unforseen demand for the film.

These factoids courtesy of Agfa Canada.

-Aaron
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Re: Replacement for Agfa Ultra 50

2001-07-03 Thread Joseph Tainter

Here's what the rumors have been, in the order I have seen them on
rec.photo.film+labs:

1. An ISO 100 replacement exists for Ultra 50.

2. No U.S. dealers ordered it, so it will not be sold here.

3. Agfa has restructured, stopped trying to sell its film division, has
a new commitment to film, and the Ultra 50 may go on sale after all.

Decide for yourself whether to believe any of this.

Joe
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RE: A clue to the flash-impaired?

2001-07-03 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

Paul Warren wrote:
> I'd now like to learn some more about fill-flash.  I understand the basic
> concept, but I'm confused about equipment.  My ZX-M came with the
> AF201SA flash, but my understanding is that it's not very appropriate
> for fill flash.  If I'm wrong, let me know!  Anyway, I'm mostly confused
> about the terminology surrounding flashes (manual, auto, TTL, non-
> TTL) and what will and won't work with the ZX-M.  Any enlightenment/
> suggestions on technique/equipment?

Hi Paul,

Welcome to the list!  Maybe I can help you out.  Hopefully one of the other
list members can help you out if I lead you astray.  Pardon the long
answer

MANUAL:  You figure out the proper lens aperture and subject distance from
the flash unit's guide number.  For instance, I believe your AF201SA has a
guide number of 66 (in feet).  Provided you are using ASA 100 film, the
correct lens aperture multiplied by the correct distance-to-subject will be
equal to the guide number.  For example, you might use ASA 100 film, a lens
set at f/4, and a distance to your subject of about 16 feet.  This will give
you a *fully illuminated* subject.  (This is different from fill flash --
more on that below.)  If you use film faster than 100 speed, just multiply
the guide number for your flash unit by the square root of the speed ratio.
Thus, for 400-speed film, the guide number would be 66 times the square root
of (400/100), or 132.  You could thus shoot subjects about 32 feet away at
f/4, or about 16 feet away at f/8, for example.

Just to complicate things further, some flash units will allow you to
discharge the flash at less than full power.  Many of the Sunpak units, for
instance, allow you to discharge at full power, 1/2, 1/4, or 1/16.

For fill flash, you generally don't want all of the light illuminating your
subject to come from the flash.  Your subject may be partially illuminated
by the sun or other ambient light, and you just need a little extra to
partially fill in some of the shadows.  If you're shooting people, keep the
sunlight out of their faces to avoid squinting, etc.  From your distance to
subject, calculate the proper aperture for full flash illumination, then
stop down the aperture a bit (perhaps a stop or two further, to allow for
less light on the subject).  Using your camera's meter, calculate the
correct shutter speed to properly expose the background of your scene at the
aperture you just set your lens to.  Hopefully the correct shutter speed
will be slower than the X-sync speed for your camera (1/100 sec for the
ZX-M, if I remember correctly).  This is where a variable-power flash unit
sometimes comes in handy.

AUTO:  A little sensor on the front of the flash unit measures the flash
intensity reflected off the subject.  When enough light has been detected,
the flash unit quenches (or shuts off) the flash.  Thus, the duration of the
actual flash will be longer for darker scenes and shorter for lighter
scenes.  You can generally do fill flash with these types of units by either
setting the film speed dial on the flash unit to a faster film speed than
you have loaded, or by stopping down your lens a bit further than the
"correct" aperture displayed on the indicator scale on the flash unit.

TTL:  "Through-the-lens" metering.  A little sensor inside of your camera
measures the flash intensity at the film plane.  Your camera body would then
tell the flash unit when to quench the flash.  This requires a dedicated
flash unit, specific for your camera, and a TTL-capable body.  If I remember
correctly, the ZX-M is not capable of TTL metering.  Generally, non-TTL
units are AUTO.

A NOTE ON EQUIPMENT:  You may wish to pick up a more versatile flash unit at
some point.  A useful feature to have is a bounce head -- one that can be
angled from horizontal to vertical.  Another useful feature is a swivel head
-- one that can be rotated from a straight-ahead position to an
off-to-the-side position.  This way, you can bounce the harsh flash off of a
ceiling or wall to get a more diffused and natural light.

Hope this helps.  Good luck!

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY

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Re: OT: BW prints from color negs

2001-07-03 Thread tom

Jim Apilado wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I have to make some black and white enlargements from color negs.  What is
> the name of the process that I would tell a custom lab that I want?

It's not really a separate process...you're probably thinking of
Panalure paper, which used to be the only paper you could use to do
this. Oriental makes a paper to do this now too...I guess you'd call
them chromogenic papers. I've heard the Oriental is nice, but of course
all these papers are evil and anyone who wants a b+w print should be
elbow deep in hypo and sleep on 100 pound bags of dektol. 

Just tell them you want a b+w print from a color neg, and make sure they
don't print it on regular b+w stock.

You can also do this digitally, of course.

tv
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Re: Kodak and the Digital Age

2001-07-03 Thread Otis Wright, Jr.

Well   Radio-cameras didn't move too well.  Anyone taking bets on
cable/switch/telephone-cameras?

Otis Wright

Doug Franklin wrote:

> Interesting article about Kodak and their new President and what she's
> trying to do with t
> company:
>
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/is/20010702/bs/can_kodak_find_its_focus__1.
> html
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RE: Comments welcomed-follow up

2001-07-03 Thread John Francis

 

> This forward will, hopefully, provide a more
> expeditious URL for your convenience in accessing my
> site:
> 
> http://www.photolightimages.com
> 
> As must be obvious, I encourage your comments.

Theres some nice stuff there - I encourage other list members
to take a look around.   A couple of organizational comments:

  o  It would be easier to navigate through a gallery if there
 were a thumbnail page for the gallery, or next/back buttons.

  o  The "Bixby Bridge" link in the Coastal gallery switches
 you into the Scenic gallery.

I'll post any comments on individual images once I've browsed
through all the galleries.

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Re: My wonderful day, sort of OT

2001-07-03 Thread Lasse Karlsson

Jon Hope wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I managed to catch up with my 84 year old aunt today, or is it yesterday 
> already? Whatever. :-) I haven't seen her for almost 5 years and haven't 
> visited her for the best part of twenty five years.
(inspiring story snipped)

Thanks Jon, for sharing.
Here's to hoping you'll keep in touch with her more frequently than before. :)

Lasse  



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RE: Comments welcomed-follow up

2001-07-03 Thread John Francis


> -Original Message-
> From: Jack Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:44 PM
> To: pentax-discuss
> Subject: Fwd: Comments welcomed-follow up
> 
> 
> Note: forwarded message attached.
> 
> Posters,
> 
> This forward will, hopefully, provide a more
> expeditious URL for your convenience in accessing my
> site:
> 
> http:www.photolightimages.com
> 

This one will work even better:

http://www.photolightimages.com

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Re: Trouble with adapter "K"

2001-07-03 Thread William Kane

ARe you sure that it's a pentax adapter?  It might be a screw -> minolta or
other adapter . . .

Illinois Bill

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Just avoid third-party adapters. Pentax originals are smooth as silk and
> you can use them with your fingernails. No personal good experiences with
> third parties.
> My two cents
>
> Albano
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well, i did it/was: 1st zoom/A35-105/3.5

2001-07-03 Thread RobFilms

well, i did it.  plunked down good old american coin (actually it was a us 
postal money order) and bought my 1st lens, a zoom no less, the KA 
35-105mm/f3.5 w/ macro.  sounds nice doesn't it?  

bought it for a "fair" price though i thought i could have gotten it for 
$20-$25 less but sometimes u push aside the extra sawbuck and buy it anyway.

if all goes well, should be here this time next week.

now, my questions are about a 2x teleconvertor.  

i know that such a device will not be of the optical quality of a true long 
prime but since one reason i bought the above zoom was for an upcoming trip 
out west and that i love telephoto compression, i was thinking a 2x could 
make the "new" zoom into a 70- 210mm.

anyone ever use a 2x on the above zoom?  results?

should i only buy a pentax 2x or can i buy a 3rd party (such as the oft-sold 
vivitar)

anything special i should look for in a 2x?

thanks again pug-sters for your advice on my 1st lens purchase.  it will go 
well with the mx and i'm hoping the results will merit my postings on the pug 
page.

be well.

robo
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Fwd: Comments welcomed-follow up

2001-07-03 Thread Jack Davis

Note: forwarded message attached.

Posters,

This forward will, hopefully, provide a more
expeditious URL for your convenience in accessing my
site:

http:www.photolightimages.com

As must be obvious, I encourage your comments.

Thanks,

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I value your collective opinions.
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A clue to the flash-impaired?

2001-07-03 Thread WarrenPaul

First-time poster... go easy on me :)

I've been using my ZX-M for about six months.  On a recent vacation I took
some photos in extreme, almost overhead, sunlight.  I did what I could when
composing to try and get the sun behind me, but... let's just say the photos
are less than what I'd hoped for.  Lots of shadows on the subjects' faces...
some of them are very underexposed as well (the landscape looks great,
though!).

I'd now like to learn some more about fill-flash.  I understand the basic
concept, but I'm confused about equipment.  My ZX-M came with the AF201SA
flash, but my understanding is that it's not very appropriate for fill
flash.  If I'm wrong, let me know!  Anyway, I'm mostly confused about the
terminology surrounding flashes (manual, auto, TTL, non-TTL) and what will
and won't work with the ZX-M.  Any enlightenment/suggestions on
technique/equipment?

Thanks!

- Paul
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OT: BW prints from color negs

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Apilado

Hi everyone,
I have to make some black and white enlargements from color negs.  What is
the name of the process that I would tell a custom lab that I want?

Thanks,
Jim A. 
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Re: July PUG comments

2001-07-03 Thread Juan J. Buhler


> "Metro, Paris, 2001", by Juan Buhler
> I think there is a powerful message here, but the shot would benefit from
> some commentary by the photographer.  The static pose of the man in the
> foreground contrasts well with the movement of the train.  For me, this
> conveys a sense of utter despair and hopelessness.  I wonder what this man
> was reading.  The broken cigarette in the lower right corner is an
> interesting compositional element -- really contrasts with the otherwise
> near-sterile environment of the train station.  I find the presence of the
> two men in the background a bit distracting, and I think an even more
> powerful message could be delivered by removing these two men with a bit of
> digital manipulation.

Thanks for your comments, William.

I wasn't going to take this picture. The guy was in a funny pose, but
it was just that, and I don't like sneaking pictures of drunks or
homeless people. When the train came, I realized that the guy wasn't
moving, and there was going to be a big contrast between his stillness
and the moving train. I set the shutter to 1/15, metered on the
ground, composed and fired. I think I did notice the cigarrette in the
floor when framing the shot.


Despair, hopelessness. They maybe make the picture interesting, but
they came afterwards, during editing. I cannot claim I plan for these
things to happen.

Thanks again,

j


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My wonderful day, sort of OT

2001-07-03 Thread Jon Hope

Hi all

I managed to catch up with my 84 year old aunt today, or is it yesterday 
already? Whatever. :-) I haven't seen her for almost 5 years and haven't 
visited her for the best part of twenty five years. My mother had told me 
last week that she (my aunt) wanted to have a look at some of my 
photographs, and maybe I'd like to look at her paintings. I couldn't agree 
quickly enough.

Anyway, we popped down there for the afternoon for a visit. My aunt is 84, 
going on 25. She still paints, and has about 3 works on the go at present. 
She and my uncle had dragged out every canvas for viewing. Some of them are 
absolutely wonderful. One took my eye almost immediately, a painting of a 
street in ... erm ... [insert city in Europe here]. My mind is playing 
silly buggers with me, I'll remember the city later, about a minute after I 
post this. It is a most wonderful picture. I'm probably the worst art 
critic in the world, and that'd be stating the bleeding obvious. I was 
smitten with the painting, and I'll have to talk to my mum about what it'll 
take to acquire it.

We talked about her methods and how she was still learning how to do 
things. We talked about light, we talked about colours, we talked about 
technique, we talked about composition. It is a shame I have as much talent 
as painting as I do at bricklaying, which suffice to say is almost nil. I 
was amazed that she was still learning new techniques, some of which 
require quite a deal of control to master. She was unfazed about learning 
them, but her eyesight isn't as good these days, so it is a bit harder than 
it should be. :-)

We talked about how she got started, and how she wasn't allowed to draw 
when she was a kid. It wasn't until she was living on the farm, and things 
were good, that she picked up a paint brush and started to paint. She still 
goes to workshops, and showed us a charcoal on paper drawing she did at the 
last one she attended, about 2 years ago. The workshop was on getting ideas 
on paper in a short amount of time, using the minimum amount of effort (or 
something like that). I reckon had the person in the drawing walked in the 
door he would have been recognised from the drawing.

All in all, some of her insights will be incorporated into how I see images 
when I'm about to photograph them.

We got onto my photographs. Where I look at the picture and see the image, 
my aunt was taken by the light on objects, by how scenes flowed, how the 
colours came together in a scene. I said she could keep any of the photos 
she wanted, as I have the negatives, and re-prints are pretty cheap. She 
was unsure, but I still left about 20 or 25 photos with her. I found it 
pleasing that a lot of the ones she wanted to keep are among my favourite 
photographs.

The one she liked the most is the one that sits above my computer here at 
home. The same photograph is my backdrop to windows at work, and has been 
for the past year and a half. One day I may get around to submitting it to 
the PUG, but I'm more inclined to be selfish, and keep it to myself. LOL

I left thinking it would be a shame to let 5 years go by without visiting 
again. Maybe I will take some 12 x 8's when I go visiting next time.

All in all it was an inspiring day. I came away feeling that if I live to 
be 85, and still think of myself as a wrinkled 25 year old, I'll be doing 
alright. If I can still be learning new things at the same time I think 
I'll have done better that could ever have been expected.

Like the subject says, it was my wonderful day. I just thought I'd share a 
bit of it with the list.

Cheers


Jon

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Comments welcomed

2001-07-03 Thread Jack Davis

Group,

I'm floating my new website for your review.
I welcome your candid impression of the "look" of the
site, but primarily, the work itself.
I value your collective opinions.
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Re: Salvaging unprocessed overexposed negs ?

2001-07-03 Thread William Robb


Subject: Re: Salvaging unprocessed overexposed negs ?


> On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Michel Adam wrote:
>
> > Over the week-end, at an outdoor concert, I mistakenly shot
two
> > rolls at ISO/ASA 100.
> >
> > One was a Kodak TMY 400 (b&w), the other was a Konica
Centuria 800
> > (C-41 process).
> >
> > Since I am sending this to a pro-lab, can I expect to get
back
> > something usable?

Pardon me, I misread the original post. Tell the prolab to pull
the TMY by 20%. The Centuria has to go through regular C-41
processing.
William Robb


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Re: July PUG comments

2001-07-03 Thread aimcompute

Thanks Bill.

>
> "Pine Nuts", by Thomas Cakalic
> Nice shot, Tom.  This caught my eye immediately, because it's very similar
> (in subject matter) to some macro shots I took a couple weeks ago during a
> very light rain.  I still have a couple more shots on the roll, so I'll
have
> to wait to see if mine turn out as nice as this one.  Very nice colors,
and
> nice bokeh.  Reminds me of Christmas.
>


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Web site update

2001-07-03 Thread Juan J. Buhler


Hi folks,

It's been a while since my last post of shameless self promotion.

I have updated my site, with a couple of new galleries with pictures
from Italy and Paris (I edited out the bad stuff, or so I think), and
even a "What's New" section.

If you care to tell me what you think, insults and all, I'll be
forever grateful.

Link down there in my .signature.

Cheers,

j

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Re: New Lens ???

2001-07-03 Thread Pål Jensen



I personally would like to see as many different 
Pentax lenses as possible; I just won't hold my breath for a 17-35/2.8 though. 
Firstly they need to upgrade the FA* 28-70/2.8 and the FA* 80-200/2.8 with 
models without power-zoom. A better idea in my opinion is to make an 24-70/2.8 
to complement the rumored FA 18/2.8 Limited.
As you say, these zooms are popular among photo 
journalist but that market has never been of much interest for Pentax, nor is it 
the most demanding use concerning optical quality. Have others than me noticed 
all those National Geographic wide-angle shot with fuzzy corners obviously shot 
with these crappy modern lenses? 
Two things are of major importance in a wide angle: 
Close focusing ability and flare control. Zooms are good at neither. A Photo 
journalist need quality thats good enough for the local 
newspaper
 
 
Pål 
 
 
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pentax 
  Clover 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: New Lens ???
  
  Hello 
  I really hope for a 17-35mm f/:2.8, not because 
  of digital but because it will be great.
  Action picture for news papers (reporting) need 
  to change easily the range and have great aperture. REmember, Minolta has a 
  17-35mm f/:3.5 and no Digital SLR.
  Some friend s of mine tell that using these 3 
  lens :
  17-35mm f/:2.8, 28-70mm f::2.8 and 80-200mm 
  f/:2.8, will be the most use for professionnal use. Even a 400mm f/:2.8 in FA 
  version
  And when Pentax will make converteers with AF 
  connection ?
  By the way, do you know that the USM using by 
  Xanon is licenced by Nikon ??? Funny isn t it ?See you
   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
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From: 
Frits J. Wüthrich 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: lundi 2 juillet 2001 22:24
Subject: RE: New Lens ???


I think it is up to marketing of Pentax, not their engineers 
to decide what models they will release 
(develop).
 
What lenses do you feel are 
missing?
 
Frits

  Does anybody heard something about a 17-35mm 
  f/:2.8 FA ???
  And about stabilisation or silent wave 
  ???
  And do you think it is going to be released a 
  new 80-200mm f/:2.8, cheaper, without power zoom ???
  Last:
  How can we write to Japanese Pentax engineers 
  ? I hope to ask them to release some lens I feel missing
  Thanks
  See you
   
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Re: Trouble with adapter "K"

2001-07-03 Thread Albano_Garcia


Just avoid third-party adapters. Pentax originals are smooth as silk and
you can use them with your fingernails. No personal good experiences with
third parties.
My two cents

Albano


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Re: Salvaging unprocessed overexposed negs ?

2001-07-03 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Michel Adam wrote:

> Over the week-end, at an outdoor concert, I mistakenly shot two
> rolls at ISO/ASA 100.
> 
> One was a Kodak TMY 400 (b&w), the other was a Konica Centuria 800
> (C-41 process).
> 
> Since I am sending this to a pro-lab, can I expect to get back
> something usable?

Yes.

Some time ago I also shot a roll of TMY at 100. When I developed it, I
just gave it a bit less time than the chart said, and got good
results. Any good B&W place will do this for you.

j

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Re: Automatic unsubscribing? (was: test)

2001-07-03 Thread Albano_Garcia


I needed to resubscribe about three times in the latest pair of weeks...

Albano


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Re: Salvaging unprocessed overexposed negs ?

2001-07-03 Thread Dave Evans

just tell them that you shot both at 100.

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Re: Trouble with adapter "K"

2001-07-03 Thread Chris Brogden

On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Christopher Lillja wrote:

> Is there a trick to fitting this? The adapter doesn't want to mount up
> to any of my bodies. If I fit the adapter to the lens, still no go. I
> sure as heck ain't gonna force it!

No trick.  Just line it up properly and it should fit in easily.

> Alternately, what is the best source for a quality adapter? B&H
> doesn't seem to list the real Pentax item. Is the real Pentax adapter
> worth the extra $? Does anyone have experience with good non-Pentax
> adapters?

I've never tried a non-Pentax adapter, but the Pentax ones aren't that
expensive.  Despite the fact that someone's always trying to get $24.99 US
for them on eBay, they sell locally for $25 CAN, which is just over $16
US.  Very reasonable, considering what it allows you to do.

chris

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Re: Salvaging unprocessed overexposed negs ?

2001-07-03 Thread William Robb


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From: "Michel Adam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss@Pdml. Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: July 3, 2001 9:57 AM
Subject: Salvaging unprocessed overexposed negs ?


>
> List wisdom needed:
>
> Over the week-end, at an outdoor concert, I mistakenly shot
two rolls at ISO/ASA 100.
>
> One was a Kodak TMY 400 (b&w), the other was a Konica Centuria
800 (C-41 process).
>
> Since I am sending this to a pro-lab, can I expect to get back
something usable?
>
> Any suggestions as to what tricks I should ask them to
perform?

Have them processed normally. Pull processing C-41 film is not
viable. 3 stops over exposed is printable. Tell them the negs
will be a little thick.
William Robb


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Re: MZ-S in Toronto

2001-07-03 Thread Pat White



As far as I know, the MZ-S I looked at was for sale.  Also, the 
viewfinder was completely visible while wearing glasses, and the viewfinder 
display seemed nice and bright.  I didn't buy it, though.  I'm still 
waiting for word on the silver body.
 
Pat White


Re: Salvaging unprocessed overexposed negs ?

2001-07-03 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

 Michel Adam wrote:
 
> Over the week-end, at an outdoor concert, I mistakenly shot two 
> rolls at ISO/ASA 100.  One was a Kodak TMY 400 (b&w), the other 
> was a Konica Centuria 800 (C-41 process). 
> Since I am sending this to a pro-lab, can I expect to get back 
> something usable? 
> Any suggestions as to what tricks I should ask them to perform?

If the lab is truly a knowledgable "pro" lab, all you need to
tell them is that you accidentally shot them at asa100 and
could they please do what they can to get something usable 
from them. I suspect that they will be successful w/ the TMY
though perhaps the Konica 800 may suffer a bit. You may be
charged some extra fees for pull processing.


Bill
  
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Off-camera AF220T

2001-07-03 Thread Hernán Mouro

I would like to connect an AF220T off-camera. What would I need? Is it
possible to use cords by manufacturers other than Pentax? (I read somewhere
that the Canon Cord 2 may be used. What about the Nikon SC-17? I saw a
picture on eBay and seems to be physically compatible.) My apologies for
asking if it's possible NOT to use Pentax, :-) but I find all the F4ps and
F5ps confusing and unnecessarily complicated.

BTW, congratulations to all the participants in July's PUG, it's awesome!


Hernan Mouro
Graduate Teaching Assistant
Kansas State University
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Salvaging unprocessed overexposed negs ?

2001-07-03 Thread Michel Adam


List wisdom needed:

Over the week-end, at an outdoor concert, I mistakenly shot two rolls at ISO/ASA 100.

One was a Kodak TMY 400 (b&w), the other was a Konica Centuria 800 (C-41 process).

Since I am sending this to a pro-lab, can I expect to get back something usable?

Any suggestions as to what tricks I should ask them to perform?

Thanks

Michel


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Trouble with adapter "K"

2001-07-03 Thread Christopher Lillja

I recently purchased a nifty Jupiter 9 85/2 in M42 screwmount. It came with a decent 
looking adapter K. 

(The whole thing was cheaper than two cases of Heineken. Yes I realize this lens is 
probably NOT to be mentioned in the same breath with a real Pentax 85/2 but hey for 
$50 and besides I really like my Kiev MF lenses, especially on a Mamiya 645. 
Anyway...)   

I realize this is probably a substandard adapter unit but I'd love to try this cool 
little lens on my K1000 or MZ5.

Is there a trick to fitting this? The adapter doesn't want to mount up to any of my 
bodies. If I fit the adapter to the lens, still no go. I sure as heck ain't gonna 
force it!

Alternately, what is the best source for a quality adapter? B&H doesn't seem to list 
the real Pentax item. Is the real Pentax adapter worth the extra $? Does anyone have 
experience with good non-Pentax adapters?

Hey, I'll be fitting up my MZ5 with a CZJ 180/2.8 from my Kiev outfit If I can get 
this goingPentacon 6 to M42 is pretty easy!

I'm on digest, please answer directly. 

Thanks in advance!

Chris Lillja
School Publications Guy

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comments to sparky

2001-07-03 Thread David J Brooks

Thanks Bill Peifer and John Cohen for your comments on
Sparkys day at the Farm.You are right,it happened very fast 
but i thought something might happen as i say,he has no big
animal expereince and just wanted to play.
This was scanned at a local Rapid Photo from a 5x7 and all we did
was rotate 90 degrees and submit.
This was not sent so much for artistic value I thought the group might
get a hoot from it.

Thanks again and great job this month.I will have time tonight 
to have a good look through

Dave

Ps Sparky got a way if you are wondering


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Re: Computer Security

2001-07-03 Thread Aaron Reynolds



Len Paris wrote:
> 
> Not to worry.  It was just a one-time pointer to some useful
> information since it appears that we all seem to be computer
> users as well as camera users.

Len, not to worry.  We were both responding to the request to "keep us
updated with important security info".  I have enough "helpful" people
sending me important security notices that have nothing to do with my
Macs already...I don't mind the occassional one that pops up on the
Pentax list, but the idea that we should have them as a regular feature
doesn't appeal to me.

-Aaron


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Re: July PUG comments

2001-07-03 Thread Rodger Whitlock

On  Mon, 2 Jul 2001 at 11:40:49 -0700 (PDT), "Juan J. Buhler" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Fwiw, I always welcome comments on my pictures. Especially negative
> ones, as those are the ones that teach me things.

Precisely my sentiments. Fire away, anyone so inclined.

-- 
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Automatic unsubscribing? (was: test)

2001-07-03 Thread Maciej Marchlewski



> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> It seems sometimes I'm unsubscribed "by force"

Happenned to me, too. I didn't received any mail fo couple days and got
worried - I had to subscribe again and all came back to order, Any ideas
what's going on?

Maciej

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Sugimoto Picture Needed Urgently!!!

2001-07-03 Thread Albano_Garcia


Hi, gang.
sometime ago we talked about Sugimoto pictures and time exposures. Somebody
told he has the book of Sugimoto "Time exposed". I need a scan of the
infamous "cinema screen" shot. It's for an university work (I study graphic
design). It will not be published anywhere, so it's not a terrible
copyright violation. I tryed the web, but found another pics, not the
cinema's one.
Regards and thanks

Albano


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Re: Kodak and the Digital Age

2001-07-03 Thread Evan Hanson

There was also a pretty good article about Kodak and their relationship with
Microsoft in yesterday's Wall Street Journal.  It seems that one of the
initial builds of Windows XP made it nearly impossible to use Kodak's
software.  It also had some fairly accurate barbs about the skill and effort
of "the average picture taker".

Evan

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Subject: Kodak and the Digital Age


> Interesting article about Kodak and their new President and what she's
> trying to do with t
> company:
>
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/is/20010702/bs/can_kodak_find_its_focus__1.
> html
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Kodak and the Digital Age

2001-07-03 Thread Doug Franklin

Interesting article about Kodak and their new President and what she's
trying to do with t
company:

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/is/20010702/bs/can_kodak_find_its_focus__1.
html

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test

2001-07-03 Thread Albano_Garcia


It seems sometimes I'm unsubscribed "by force"


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Re: Feel free to comment on my pug entry

2001-07-03 Thread David J Brooks

Yes please comment on "Sparkys day at the farm"

Dave


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RE: Computer Security

2001-07-03 Thread Len Paris

Not to worry.  It was just a one-time pointer to some useful
information since it appears that we all seem to be computer
users as well as camera users.  I promise to keep my future
posts on topic, if everyone else does too, but I reserve the
right to respond to posts made by others, as did you.

Interesting concept, swamping this list!  I'd say it's way too
late to worry about that problem. ;-)

Len
---

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Scott
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Computer Security
>
>
> >Please keep us updated with any important security
> info. Thanks.
> >
> >mkr
> >
>
> Please don't. Computer security is important, but all
> the relevant info
> would swamp this list in short order. Please consider
> taking advantage of
> the large numbers of websites, newsgroups and other
> sources devoted to
> computer security if you need that type of info.
>
> Dan Scott
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax announces new digital camera in US

2001-07-03 Thread Terence Mac Goff



Looks like pentax US has shipped the new Optio in the us.

check it out here.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0107/01070202pentaxoptio330.asp

3.3 MP and very small

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Re: First World/Third World

2001-07-03 Thread Mark Roberts

"Bill D. Casselberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bob Blakely wrote:
> 
>> First World also first world
>> n.
>> During the Cold War, the industrialized capitalist nations of the world.
>
>   ;^) "Meet me in the next world, and don't be late!"
> J Hendrix

"Listen, there's a hell of a good universe next door. Let's go."
   e.e. cummings
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RE: User report on Lowepro AW packback

2001-07-03 Thread Jan van Wijk

On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:54:16 -0700, Cameron R. Hood wrote:

>I had one of them for about a week, and the strap buckle (made of
>plastic) let go one time when I was picking it up at an angle. All of my
>photo gear went smashing to the ground. And no, it was not overloaded.
>Repeated angry calls, letters and emails to LowePro resulted in them sending
>out a brand new top of the line LowePro Pro-Trekker AW to replace it.
>However, this was after $500.00 in claims to my camera insurance for
>repairs. That particular bag (your Phototrekker) is the only one in the line
>that has those silly little plastic clips which bear ALL of the weight of
>the gear:

Hi Cameron, sad story!

I could not relate to your description at first, could not find any plastic clips
execpt for the ones on the belt and shoulder straps (but they look OK).

Then I saw you mentioned the strap-buckle, well I NEVER use that, I
find it more convenient to use it as a back-pack.

I just checked the strap that came with it, and on this one all the clips and
rings are made of solid metal!

Now this packpack is just two months old, maybe they learned from experiences like 
yours ...

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Re: Computer Security

2001-07-03 Thread Jim

:)
- Original Message -
From: Otis Wright, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: Computer Security


> Aw!  And, for a moment, I thought we just might have a little offsett to
the
> search for truth about the nuances of the "third world".
>
> Otis Wright
>
> Dan Scott wrote:
>
> > >Please keep us updated with any important security info. Thanks.
> > >
> > >mkr
> > >
> >
> > Please don't. Computer security is important, but all the relevant info
> > would swamp this list in short order. Please consider taking advantage
of
> > the large numbers of websites, newsgroups and other sources devoted to
> > computer security if you need that type of info.
> >
> > Dan Scott
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Feel free to comment on my pug entry

2001-07-03 Thread Paul Jones

Hi Frank,

Thanks for taking time to comment on my photo.

This was one of my first photos with the FA*200/2.8, i quite like this
lense. I got a few others that had a weird bokeh, but i quite liked the
bokeh in this one.

Thanks,
Paul Jones
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Feel free to comment on my pug entry


> Hi, Paul,
>
> Since you specifically ask for comments on your beautiful image, here
goes:
>
> The colour of the opening rose bud us absolutely stunning, especially
> juxtaposed against all of the green shades around it.
>
> I love the detail of the bud.  The drops of dew are lovely;  I especially
> like the dewdrop just about to drip from the leave below the bud.
>
> I'm not sure that I've entirely figured out "bokeh" yet, but I think you
> have!  The out-of-focus background is particularly engaging, like abstract
> swirls of green.  The look like the broad brushstrokes of an Impressionist
> painter.  Take away the in-focus foreground, and the image would still be
> beautiful.
>
> Maybe you should break your other arm!  :-)
>
> Seriously, a beautiful work.
>
> regards,
> frank
>
> Paul Jones wrote:
>
> > I think the new system was to nominate if you wished to have your photo
> > commented on.
> >
> > I'd like comments :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Paul Jones
> >
> > PS: The pug is getting talked about much less now we have this system.
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Re: Computer Security

2001-07-03 Thread Otis Wright, Jr.

Aw!  And, for a moment, I thought we just might have a little offsett to the
search for truth about the nuances of the "third world".

Otis Wright

Dan Scott wrote:

> >Please keep us updated with any important security info. Thanks.
> >
> >mkr
> >
>
> Please don't. Computer security is important, but all the relevant info
> would swamp this list in short order. Please consider taking advantage of
> the large numbers of websites, newsgroups and other sources devoted to
> computer security if you need that type of info.
>
> Dan Scott
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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