Re: More IR questions..
- Original Message - From: gfen Subject: More IR questions.. > Well, I've shot a series of Kodak's HIE, and I've sort of decided that > while I enjoy the foilage effects of it, I don't like the haziness from > the lack of halation layer. Also, it strikes me that since its the middle > of summer, there's a whole lotta white in my pictures.. I'm gonna take a > shot at either the Konica 750 or teh Ilford SPX 200 next. > > Wondering if anyone here has used either, and what they think? I'm going > to be shooting through a 25A filter. I'm leaning towards the Konica > because it evidently features more HIE like effects, without the haze. I've used both, and prefer the Konica. It is more like an infra red film. Some of the halation haze with the Kodak IR can be knocked down by attaching a piece of 120 roll film backing paper to the pressure plate. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Price, image settings for a school-event photo CD?
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re[2]: Price, image settings for a school-event photo CD? > Bill, > > I'm afraid that this problem is rampant everywhere. I'm starting to > explore a different approach where I bill for my time, instead of > building it in to the print. The reason for this is, as you say, no > one values the print. But they can see the time spent up front. What > you end up charging per hour is then not dependent on how many/what > size prints they order, but just on the job done. That way, whether > they re-order from you or scan the prints for extras doesn't matter so > much, because you already made the money on the job. When I was in the game, I charged an hourly rate for my time on the job, plus materials at cost. I didn't bother to hold back negatives from the client, they got the negatives/ slides as well as the prints upon delivery of the job. The net result of this was that I was a $600.00 - $1000.00 per day shooter, who couldn't keep up with the amount of business I was generating via word of mouth, and I didn't have to bother with filing negatives or worrying about floods or fire destroying my clients negatives. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
tamron 28-105 f2.8vs tokina 28-80 f2.8 and sigma 28-70 f2.8
i cant afford a top notch brand so i was wondering what these lens are like > optically > flare prone > are they good for serious amateur or should i stick with my 28-105 power zoom and 28-70 f4 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Brit Shooters Get Suspicious Treatment In New Jersey
Ah, Paul, But what if a guy who ~was~ a terrorist wanted to look like he ~wasn't~ one? What would he do? He'd buy expensive gear, take sandpaper to nicely brass the edges of the body and put a few dings in it and on the lens hood so as to give himself that "pro" look, and then nonchalently take pictures, acting like a stock photog. All the better to bring along an "assistant" to complete the illusion. People taking photos from car windows with p&s digital cameras could only be terrorists - or real estate agents.Reverse psychology, my friend... regards, frank "Paul F. Stregevsky" wrote: > People don't draw rational conclusions when they see a serious camera. Five > examples of irrational inferences: > > 1. "That guy photographing my city may be up to something." If the Brit > were a bad guy, he would have been careful not to call attention to > himself. Ergo, he would have forgone the big, conspicuous gear and taken a > quick shot or two from his car window. > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: IR: Effective ASA/GN w/filter on flash?
Bill D. Casselberry wrote: > :^) Why not cut a piece to tape over the film gate between > the guide rails, too. Then you can actually still see through > the lens and also get the benefit of the #87. Doh!! Yeah, that's what I should do instead of putting it in a filter ring. Saves me the trouble of moving the filter when I change lenses, too. Wouldn't be the first time I taped something inside a body -- I made a panoramic mask inside an H1a using gaffer's tape... > Any chance you > might mail me a strip the width of film and long enough to go > from inside each of the film cavities of an H2 ? Have to see what shapes I've got left over after my own experiments... > make a GN chart simply enough by nailing the best exposure at > a given distance and then setting the scale on your flash to > whatever best matches that reading. *nod* Exactly my plan, but I wanted to start with a "reasonable guess" exposure in the hopes of finding the right answer in fewer than twelve frames. -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Brit Shooters Get Suspicious Treatment In New Jersey
People don't draw rational conclusions when they see a serious camera. Five examples of irrational inferences: 1. "That guy photographing my city may be up to something." If the Brit were a bad guy, he would have been careful not to call attention to himself. Ergo, he would have forgone the big, conspicuous gear and taken a quick shot or two from his car window. 2. "Let me see that camera, Sir." As mentioned months ago, there's no rational reason for airport security guards to peer through the viewfinder of a non-SLR. Absolutely nothing can be determined about the camera's innards. 3. "Sorry I'm in your way." When I'm at a school shooting an indoor event, people duck and apologize as they walk by my tripod, even though I take pains to stand a foot or two away from it, my hand off the remote release cord, to assure them that I'm not about to snap the shutter. There's no way anyone could mistake my 1970s gear for a camcorder that's "always recording." 4. "His camera says Sears. He can't be serious." That would be the Sears KS Auto, otherwise known as the Ricoh XR-2s. 5. "That Stregevsky fellow is standing on a stepladder to reach his camera on his tall tripod. And he's holding a release cable. And there he goes with a one-legged tripod, with its head turned sideways. And he's dressed in black. He must know what he's doing." :) Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: IR: Effective ASA/GN w/filter on flash?
Glenn wrote: > I've got a square of #87 filter material, which (as I may or may not > have remembered to mention befor) turns out to be a whole lot cheaper > than an 87 filter with a ring and threads and all. I figure one thing > I can do with it is take apart an old UV filter and stick this into > that, but another thing I can do which sounds like fun is to put it > over a flash and not use any filter at all on the lens, so that I can > take flash pictures at night w/o blinding everyone around me. :^) Why not cut a piece to tape over the film gate between the guide rails, too. Then you can actually still see through the lens and also get the benefit of the #87. Any chance you might mail me a strip the width of film and long enough to go from inside each of the film cavities of an H2 ? You do have to be careful that you dont set those gels afire w/ too rapid flashes, but it does work. You should be able to make a GN chart simply enough by nailing the best exposure at a given distance and then setting the scale on your flash to whatever best matches that reading. Pick a distance which is marked on the flash. That will make it easier than using some non-marked distance and the inevitable guesswork in the field in the dark ;^) Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More IR questions..
Rob Studdert wrote: > Before you write off HIE why not try it with a real IR filter? > You'll get far more IR derived contrast in the negs. Using an > 87C (093) the cut-off is 1000nm so it will preclude virtually > all of the visible spectrum (under bright lights you can only > see the deepest red through it). I agree - I have a #87 through which only the filament of a light bulb can be seen. I ran a roll of HIE through my Canonet QL17 GIII once w/ it and it was way cool. Between the two other films, forget the Ilford "extended red" and go w/ the Konica 750 - it is a little slower than HIE, but much finer grained. The #25 red is a good filter to maximize its limited IR sensitivty - opaque filters beat it down to very slow asa ratings. Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: More IR questions..
But thats just the effect i'm going for. my 2cents Dave Begin Original Message On 20 Jun 2002 at 12:08, gfen wrote: Also, it strikes me that since its the middle > of summer, there's a whole lotta white in my pictures.. Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
IR: Effective ASA/GN w/filter on flash?
I've got a square of #87 filter material, which (as I may or may not have remembered to mention befor) turns out to be a whole lot cheaper than an 87 filter with a ring and threads and all. I figure one thing I can do with it is take apart an old UV filter and stick this into that, but another thing I can do which sounds like fun is to put it over a flash and not use any filter at all on the lens, so that I can take flash pictures at night w/o blinding everyone around me. (I did fire an AF280T through the filter -- it's not _stealthy_, as there's a noticeable visible red light coming through, but it's nowhere near as bright as a bare xenon tube. Note that the filter packaging says, "Visually Opaque, transmission begins above 730nm", but it's not quite opaque at really bright light levels.) I'm going to burn a few frames at different apertures (I've got a third of a roll of HIE left in the Spotmatic at the moment) to see what the effective guide number will be, but I'm hoping someone here can help me narrow it down a little so that my experiments start at something reasonable. I'm sleepy enough that I don't have confidence in my physics/math right now, so... The notes on the inside of the film box say to meter at 50 ASA with a #25 filter and at 25 ASA with a #67 filter (assuming a meter external to the camera). I'm trying to suss out whether the net effect of putting the filter on the flash is about the same as if I put it on the camera and left the flash bare. I'm assuming I'll have to put the flash on "H" or "L" and do the math to set the aperture based on distance because the sensor in the flash won't be seeing enough IR to know when to quench the flash. Figure this is gonna suck those AA cells dry pretty fast, and I'll have to monitor the temperature of the filter if I fire a bunch of shots in a short time... The scale on the back of the AF280T says that for 25 ASA film I'm looking at f/1.4@10m, f/2@7m, f/2.8@5m, [EMAIL PROTECTED], f/5.6@2m -- do those numbers make sense for putting the filter on the flash? (Fortunately I'd already figured out that I wasn't going to get away with slow lenses or long distances doing this trick. Though it looks like I could cover three flash unites with one square of filter material if I really need more firepower...) Note that even after I get the numbers right, this trick will have some serious limitations: first, it's not useful if the scene/mood I want to capture will be completely obliterated by changing the illumination with the flash; second, it's not useful for _stealth_ photography as noted above, so it only makes sense when a full flash would be rude but an occasonal red blink would be acceptable, and where letting folks know they're being photographed won't change what pictures I can get (I like candids -- even if people have said taking pictures of them is okay, their behaviour and body language often change a bit while they're noticing the camera); third, well I'm not going to have much flexibility regardng range -- seven meters with the 85mm lens, ten meters with a 50/1.4; fourth, the grain of HIE isn't going to be an improvement over TMZ. What it'll be good for are situations where a) IR would be a cool effect but it's dark, or b) I can deal with the above limitations and don't have enough light to get hand-holdable shutter speeds using TMZ. -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: RE: Price, image settings for a school-event photo CD?
I have to give some thought to this now.(Thanks for the thread Paul)I based my pricing on what was average for prints in our area,but the CD price was a copy of what the guy I bought the D1 and computers from,charged. Now that this comes to light,he is a retired Government working doing his digital work to keep busy in his early retirement. Maybe he;s charging this as he does not overly care how much profit comes in. Maybe your gents/ladies are correct,selling 'negs' for $25.00 is wrong. I;ll have to ponder this now. Dave Begin Original Message From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:01:34 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Price, image settings for a school- event photo CD? Tom speaks the truth. The labs fees are only part of the fees you should be charging. Doug At 09:51 AM 6/20/02 -0400, TV wrote: >You guys are basing your pricing on lab fees when you should be basing >them on your value as a photographer. Labs just charge for the >process, you should be charging for your skill. > >tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Ads appearing in the Aus TradingPost today
On 20 Jun 2002 at 10:58, Rob Brigham wrote: > I think it was Rob Studdert (sorry if I am wrong) that posted this: > > "They add new anti reflective baffles to increase the efficiency > of the baffling. They also add both an ultraviolet and an > infrared filter, to trim what the meter cell sees down to the > visible spectrum. Then they add a coloured filter that brings > the meter response to that of film. > After that, the meter is calibrated for accuracy and linearity > to within 1/6 of a stop. > A Zone VI modified meter sees light the same way that film does. > A Zone VI modified meter is colour blind, which means that it > will not be thrown off by strongly coloured subjects. > It is the only truly accurate spot meter." 'Twas actually "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:42:27 -0600 Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spotmeter and Incident Meter Same...
On 20 Jun 2002 at 9:12, William Robb wrote: > There are to many variables to make such an absolute statement. > First, is the spotmeter calibrated to 18% or 14%? I don't know, > do you? What colour is the light being read? The question > doesn't specify, beyond saying it is natural. Natural what? > Daylight, one would presume, but is it measuring open sky > illumination or something else? Will both meters react to the > colour of light the same way? I don't know. Do you? > In an ideal situation, using two colour blind meters that have > been calibrated to the same standard, the readings would be the > same. In the situation as put forward in the question, you > cannot presume anything, and therefore cannot give an > affirmative answer. Rather than blindly speculate I just measured the centre area of my fluorescent light table (resting on the table surface or filter) using three meters in incident mode: Gossen Luna-Pro Digital F f5.6 8/10 @ 1/125th Gossen Lunalite SBC f5.6 1/3 @ 1/125th Minolta Spotmeter F f5.6 5/10 @ 1/125th Then through a green X1 filter (ff 4 or 2 stops) Gossen Luna-Pro Digital F f4.0 0/10 @ 1/125th Gossen Lunalite SBC f2.8 2/3 @ 1/125th Minolta Spotmeter F f2.8 6/10 @ 1/125th Then through a red 25A filter (ff 8 or 3 stops) Gossen Luna-Pro Digital F f2.8 9/10 @ 1/125th Gossen Lunalite SBC f2.8 2/3 @ 1/125th Minolta Spotmeter F f2.8 4/10 @ 1/125th None of my meters are modified in any way, draw your own conclusions. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More IR questions..
On 20 Jun 2002 at 12:08, gfen wrote: > Well, I've shot a series of Kodak's HIE, and I've sort of decided that > while I enjoy the foilage effects of it, I don't like the haziness from > the lack of halation layer. Also, it strikes me that since its the middle > of summer, there's a whole lotta white in my pictures.. I'm gonna take a > shot at either the Konica 750 or teh Ilford SPX 200 next. > > Wondering if anyone here has used either, and what they think? I'm going > to be shooting through a 25A filter. I'm leaning towards the Konica > because it evidently features more HIE like effects, without the haze. Before you write off HIE why not try it with a real IR filter? You'll get far more IR derived contrast in the negs. Using an 87C (093) the cut-off is 1000nm so it will preclude virtually all of the visible spectrum (under bright lights you can only see the deepest red through it). Of course you'll have to pre- focus or scale focus when using an SLR. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Price, image settings for a school-event photo CD?
Hi Tom and Mark. The 2000x1312 file size,when downloaded from the D1 to Photoshop,in Jpg format,is 18ish by 27 ish inches with 72 dpi. I have the constraints trun off and resize to 8x12 then crop to 8x10 giving me a +-164 dpi file.If i resize to 5x7 its about 270 dpi. Dave Begin Original Message From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 06:56:16 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Price, image settings for a school- event photo CD? "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >How big a print can you get from a 2000x1312 file? If it's a scan from 35mm film, about 8 x 5 is the maximum. If it's from direct digital or from a medium format scan, around 10 x 6.5 -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Price, image settings for a school-event photo CD?
Hi Dave.The CD's i burn are the jpg files from the D1,so they are the full 1.2 meg files from the camera at the min res and max width/height. I dont sell to many per show but some. Dave Begin Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" I think David Brooks idea is good - $25-$30 (CDN) a CD with decent scans Cheers, Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Enlarger Question
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike P > > > B&H Photo has this enlarger: > http://www03.bhphotovideo.com/default.sph/FrameWork.class?FN > C=ProductActivat > or__Aproductlist_html___128650___BEC2K___REG___CatID=546___S > ID=EEC71FE6D40 > > It's $200 and comes with everything... For those not wishing to paste the long link, it's a Beseler Cadet II. > > Anyone familier with this model? Is it decent? In a word, no, it's the cheapest model available new. But you knew that. Find yourself a used Saunders or Beseler 23C. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Price, image settings for a school-event photo CD?
Bob.They usually come back and buy a print after they realize their Lexmark z20 is not a state of the art photo printer.:) Dave Begin Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:08:27 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Price, image settings for a school- event photo CD? Dave, I'm sure you know more about your customers than I do, but I'm surprised that you would 'sell the negatives' for $25 or $30. I think this is what you do when you send out the CD. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hi Paul. One of the options i give at my horse shows,instead of prints,is the CD.I will put ALL of the shots of one rider,at the one show,for $25.00 Can.This is usually only 3-5 pictures.If i take more than 5 ,price is $30.00 I put the entire unedited .jpg image from the D1 on. Its 2000x1312 pixels. I also tell them they need a quality photo printer and some editing software to produce a clean image. I have the show announcer let everyone know i'm on site the play organizer might do that for you too. I hoped to have the equipment payed off by summer,looks like xmas or beyond now:) Good Luck Dave >> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: June PUG Picks (pt 2)
Thanks for the review Kevin.I didnot notice that. Dave Begin Original Message From: Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mr.Big: Looks a very contented animal here an you have caught him nicely. The dark background though loses the outline on the left hand side a little. Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Self Portraits?
Hi Paul, You can go here: http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb/Commercial/wkly/wklyphoto.html and snag this one for your page if you care to Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Odd Dream
It figures that the Military would still be using screwmount stuff! -frank "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > I woke up this afternoon out of a dream in which I was in some sort > of military outfit (strange enough right there, for folks who know > me), and I was with a bunch of other people who were being given a > timed test in which we had to dismantle and reassemble our camera > gear. I was nervous as heck, and when I finished, the commanding > officer said, "Okay, now do your screwmount gear!" I'd just started > putting the Spotmatic back together when I woke up. > > (Hey, at least it was all Pentax -- the Konica and the Olympus did > not appear in the dream.) > > -- Glenn > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Ads appearing in the Aus TradingPost today
I have just been told: "It is said on the Pure Silver list (if memory isn't playing tricks) that it is based upon the response of Tri-X Pro (the ISO 320 version), but if I can stand ploughing through thousands of messages I will try to find the reference." Is this correct? > -Original Message- > From: Rob Brigham > Sent: 20 June 2002 10:58 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Ads appearing in the Aus TradingPost today > > > I think it was Rob Studdert (sorry if I am wrong) that posted this: > > "They add new anti reflective baffles to increase the efficiency > of the baffling. They also add both an ultraviolet and an > infrared filter, to trim what the meter cell sees down to the > visible spectrum. Then they add a coloured filter that brings > the meter response to that of film. > After that, the meter is calibrated for accuracy and linearity > to within 1/6 of a stop. > A Zone VI modified meter sees light the same way that film does. > A Zone VI modified meter is colour blind, which means that it > will not be thrown off by strongly coloured subjects. > It is the only truly accurate spot meter." > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 20 June 2002 10:26 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Ads appearing in the Aus TradingPost today > > > > > > In a message dated 20/06/02 03:24:10 GMT Daylight Time, Rob writes: > > > > << LIGHT METER ZONE VI modified Pentax Digital 1 degree spot > > meter, as new, > > cost > > $1000 plus, blah blah blah >> > > > > Can anyone here say categorically why Zone VI mod improves > > the digispot > > meter. And perhaps interpret the legend "TV. IRE x10 1:32". I > > understand that > > the Zone VI modification involves extra baffling and some stickers. > > > > Kind regards etc > > > > Peter > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Enlarger Question
B&H Photo has this enlarger: http://www03.bhphotovideo.com/default.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivat or__Aproductlist_html___128650___BEC2K___REG___CatID=546___SID=EEC71FE6D40 It's $200 and comes with everything... Anyone familier with this model? Is it decent? To make it revelvent to the list I will be using negatives from my KX body... Thanks MP - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Self Portraits?
Hi Mike, I've sent an email to him at the webmasters email address on his website and will send another copy to the email address you put in your email. I'll let everyone know when i get his input. Thanks, Paul - Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Self Portraits? > Hi, > > Cotty wrote: > > > > >> >Again, Dennis has one already: > > >> > > > >> >http://www.penta-club.org/penta/forum/pdml_port/pdmlers_por > > >> traits.htm > > >> > > >> Is it current? Will he accept new images? Is Dennis still > > >> subscribed? > > > > > >I don't know, I'm not trying to set up a new gallery or have my > > >picture posted, but I would think it would be at least polite to get > > >his input. > > > > Point well taken, Tom. > > (Hoping I'm not treading on anyone's toes) > > I've been in reasonably constant communication with DK for some > time. He is extremely busy at work (doing regular 16hr+ days) > and seems to be unable to keep up with other commitments. I > have no doubt he would like very much to expand the Penta-club > site but I think he is having difficulty coping. Pictures sent > to him (mail to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) will, I am sure, eventually > get onto the gallery page (sorry, I can't find the URL) on the > Penta-club site. > > mike > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Brit Shooters Get Suspicious Treatment In New Jersey
I was going to ask that question in a much less tactful way. Even if that might have been the case, and even understanding current paranoia since 9/11, geez, it's not like he's taking pics of military installations or even (by the sounds of it) anything that resembles a potential target. I could understand the cops approaching him to question him. He no doubt would have had press credentials with him; even if he didn't, a few questions at the scene should have satisfied everyone that no nefarious intentions existed, and that should have been the end of it. But to bring him to the police station and hold him for questioning for several hours seems a bit high-handed - scary, even. -frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One wonders if Mr. Robinson has a large beard, olive-skinned, perhaps? > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pricing of PhotoWork
> Seems fair, in this case. Bet on someone hanging a print in the sun and > wanting a free reprint when it fades or changes color. > > Len Possibility, yes. But, whenever I give/sell someone an inkjet print I emphatically tell them to display it under glass out out of direct sunlight. Actually, I think direct sunlight will eventually fade or discolor a chemical print. Bill > --- > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:27 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pricing of PhotoWork > > > Our daughter is playing on a church league softball team this summer. I've > agreed to take a group photo of the team and I don't mind donating one 8x10 > to the church. However, I've decided that any team member that wants a copy > will have to pay $5.00 per inkjet print. > > Bill KG4LOV > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT World Cup Offer
I knew you guys wuz joking - or at least that you understood me. I should have put a little smiley after my first line to indicate such. I understood the humour (with a "u"). :-) (remembering the smiley this time!) -frank "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > We understand you. Some of the "North Americans" were trying to use humor > (NOT humour) to suggest that we really don't want to hear about > "international football." > > frank theriault wrote: > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Kinda OT: E-6 processing
I just finished processing 2 rolls of 120 and one roll of 220 in my new/used Jobo Duolab processor. Sure beats agitating by hand and using the aquarium heater for temperature control! One of the rolls of 120 was Fuji RMS 100/1000 shot at 400 just for the heck of it to see the results of a 2 stop push. Haven't had a chance to look under the loupe yet, but looks pretty good by the unaided eye. The Agfa RSX II also looks good, but the E200S is still too wet to tell for sure. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Odd Dream
:) Łukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Odd Dream I woke up this afternoon out of a dream in which I was in some sort of military outfit (strange enough right there, for folks who know me), and I was with a bunch of other people who were being given a timed test in which we had to dismantle and reassemble our camera gear. I was nervous as heck, and when I finished, the commanding officer said, "Okay, now do your screwmount gear!" I'd just started putting the Spotmatic back together when I woke up. (Hey, at least it was all Pentax -- the Konica and the Olympus did not appear in the dream.) -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Odd Dream
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > me), and I was with a bunch of other people who were being given a > timed test in which we had to dismantle and reassemble our camera > gear. I was nervous as heck, and when I finished, the commanding I took a roll of IR film the other day on my lunch break, and at the end of the lunch, I had my changing bag out, camera in, and was pulling out the roll of film. My coworker ambles by, looks at me, and remarks, "is this like the army? Are you required to be able to assemble and disassemble it in the dark?" -- http://www.infotainment.org "The destructive character is cheerful." - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Re[3]: Pricing of PhotoWork
Believe it or not, there are intelligent customers that are willing to pay good prices for quality work. You usually need to be pretty well established, with a known, good reputation in order to be considered by them. Making a good living in photography is not easy but it is doable. Word of mouth is still the best advertising. Shooting weddings, if you are good at it, can still be one of the most lucrative fields in photography. But, it's a hell of a lot of work building a reputation and getting known, not to mention the gruelling 10 and 12 hour days. "Fine art" photographers tend to look down on wedding shooters as being prostitutes, of a sort. Len --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[3]: Pricing of PhotoWork Bingo My thoughts exactly. I'm barely an amateur at this and I spot errors/problems in any number of photos. I'm almost never satisfied with 100% of any work I do because I want to have some sort of perfection and because I am aware of what has to be done to get that perfection (equipment, artistry and technical expertise all play a part in this). The problem is in the "end user"/customer. Many times, they're perfectly happy with sub par work because they've become accustomed to it, and because they don't know what to look for to prove to them that the work actually is sub par. In short, customer education is required. A well composed, exposed, developed, and printed photograph should be worthy of good $$ but it's a matter of explaining to the "average" customer what that is. . . Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:54:18 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: Pricing of PhotoWork Bill, This is very much an area where I think change is in the making. More capable equipment, more people using it and their willingness to accept mediocre to poor quality all play a big role. You would be appalled at some of the wedding invitations I have seen lately - some even showing the date/time stamp (not even set correctly) on them. I was at an awards banquet recently where the "press" was present. The only shots taken were by the reporters themselves with digital P&S cameras - not even a supplemental flash - just some quick snaps. I think the trick is to find venues where quality is desired - eliminates the hacks and do-it-your-selfers and then charge for your time as a skilled professional. Basically pass on all material/lab costs to them. They will actually think they are getting a bargain because they don't have to pay some high price for a couple of prints. There still seems to be some value placed on an individual's work time. Certainly far more value than they place on some prints. After all, they can get prints made at Walmart for a few dollars. Bruce - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pricing of PhotoWork
Seems fair, in this case. Bet on someone hanging a print in the sun and wanting a free reprint when it fades or changes color. Len --- -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pricing of PhotoWork Our daughter is playing on a church league softball team this summer. I've agreed to take a group photo of the team and I don't mind donating one 8x10 to the church. However, I've decided that any team member that wants a copy will have to pay $5.00 per inkjet print. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[3]: OT World Cup Offer
Hi, Bob. Yes, these two extremes I suppose are a good definition of my country, and a good explanation of why we are as we are in this moment (destroyed). The cause of our doom is our damned "viveza criolla", something a bit untraslatable, something like "argentine evil-smart-mind", looking always for a shortcut, a leeway, an advantage. Both articles are very good, but the Observer's one is absolutely great and super accurate (except for the 5 o clock tea). If you list member are not from here and want to understand us, read it. Albano Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:30:29 +0100 From: Bob Walkden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re[3]: OT World Cup Offer Hi Albano, over here we admire the 2nd goal tremendously. Every time the 'hamd of God' goal is shown, so is the sublime goal (and vice versa). We find it difficult to see how 2 extremes could co-exist in one man, and be revealed in the same match. One of the joys of English football, though, is that Owen's goal against Argentina in France was almost as good as Maradona's against us! For people who don't understand the nature of the England-Argentina fixture, here are some interesting links discussing its history. http://www.observer.co.uk/osm/story/0,6903,716620,00.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/falklands/story/0,11707,657865,00.html - --- Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[3]: Pricing of PhotoWork
> Bingo > > My thoughts exactly. I'm barely an amateur at this and I spot errors/problems in any number of photos. I'm almost never satisfied with 100% of any work I do because I want to have some sort of perfection and because I am aware of what has to be done to get that perfection (equipment, artistry and technical expertise all play a part in this). I must agree 100%. If my wife had her way, every photo I take would be a "keeper". However, I've been known to trash a whole roll because I wasn't satisfied with any frame. Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Odd Dream
I woke up this afternoon out of a dream in which I was in some sort of military outfit (strange enough right there, for folks who know me), and I was with a bunch of other people who were being given a timed test in which we had to dismantle and reassemble our camera gear. I was nervous as heck, and when I finished, the commanding officer said, "Okay, now do your screwmount gear!" I'd just started putting the Spotmatic back together when I woke up. (Hey, at least it was all Pentax -- the Konica and the Olympus did not appear in the dream.) -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pricing of PhotoWork
> Every once in a while I consider spending a couple grand on > studio lighting and setting up a small storefront studio - > but invariably I come to my senses in time. !8^) After all, > the one-hour lab does this for ~$15 and they have the C-41 > machine so they can make their dough on the profit from the > prints. > > Oregon - ( no - I'm not jaded ;^) - Bill Unless they're like the supermarket minilab I work part time at. 3 day service, 4x6 prints, $4.99 for single prints, $1.00 for each additional SET of prints. That's $5.99 for 72 prints on a 36 exposure roll. I guess I could shoot a 36 exposure in the Agat half frame and get 144 prints for $5.99. Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pricing of PhotoWork
Our daughter is playing on a church league softball team this summer. I've agreed to take a group photo of the team and I don't mind donating one 8x10 to the church. However, I've decided that any team member that wants a copy will have to pay $5.00 per inkjet print. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
