fs more gear plus price correction

2002-08-17 Thread gophoto

pentax mef with 35-70mm lens 2.8-3.5 $200
me SUPER WITH 50MM 1.2 LENS  $350
again in australian dollars
plus rare mef manual  $10
plus pentax lens guide $20
k2 dmd should be $920 not $800 sorry (its not mine its my grandfathers)
gophoto
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pentax gear for sale

2002-08-17 Thread gophoto

Lots of pentax gear
Going digital
All in Australian Dollars
Pentax Pz-1 with FD grip and strap-$750
Pentax FA Auto Focus 4.5 300mm Mint $700
Pentax KX with 50mm lens Mint $300
Pentax K2 DMD Ex   $800
K2 DMD Motor Drive Mint $300
Pentax K2 Mint 55mm 1.8 lens $340
Tamron 400mm 6.3 lens mint $150
Ricoh KR5 with 55mm and 70-210mm lens $160

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Pentax 645 SMC A 150mm F3.5 vs SMC FA 150mm F2.8

2002-08-17 Thread Christien Bunting

Hi are there any comparisons out there for the

Pentax 645 SMC A 150mm F3.5 vs SMC FA 150mm F2.8

I'm currently looking to get the Pentax 645NII and I am looking at these as
my main portrait lens.

A used SMC A 150mm F3.5 can be had for a very reasonable price.

What are the options and your opinions?

Thanks
Chris
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Re: Richmond Tall Ships 2002

2002-08-17 Thread James Adams

Thanks Cotty,
I left the films with my friend, so he can scan them. Once I get them back,
I want to put them onto my web-space
James
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Test

2002-08-17 Thread William Kane

Test
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Re: Bad news and good news

2002-08-17 Thread Jeff

I'm sorry, but my blood is not rich enough for Hassys. I'll stick with Fuji.
The filter is actually a UV filter. B+W has a strange way of labeling it.
BTW how is your Hassy (blad) doing?

Jeff

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From: "David Chang-Sang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: Bad news and good news


> I will repeat my chant:
>
> "I hate Jeff
> I hate Jeff
> I hate Jeff"
> :-)
>
> Now that I have that out of my system..
> I think that may be a Neutral Density filter ? (I'm guessing here)
> How the hell do you keep finding these DEALS !!!
> See if you can scout out a 150mm Zeiss F4 lens for my blad will ya ? :-)
>
> Good show,
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 6:06 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Bad news and good news
>
>
> Sorry, my laptop hiccuped.
>
> Last week I met someone that had the 65mm and 180mm lenses for my G690. I
> was so excited, because they were described to me as excellent and better.
> But then reality s with a unk in. Upon inspection I realised that the 65mm
> lens had a non funcional shutter and the 180mm lens was an abused lens.
>
> I was deflating very quickly, but then I saw a GSW690 advertised at
Vistek.
> When I called them to confirm the availability of this camera, I was told
> that it was just sold, but a GSW690III was available instead.
> After twisting a few arms, I picked this camera for $900 CDN with a cheap
> carrying case and a B+W filter.
> I'm still trying to figure out what kind of filter it is. The inscription
in
> the inner ring is "B+W 67E 010 1x". Since it's a 67mm filter I'm assuming
> 67E is for the thread size, 010 is the filter type (?) and 1x is for the
> exposure compensation.
> Can someone confirm my assumption?
>
> I'm in 6x9 heaven now.
>
> Jeff.
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Re: Bad news and good news

2002-08-17 Thread Jeff

Thanks Rob, I figured it out.

Jeff

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Bad news and good news


> On 17 Aug 2002 at 18:06, Jeff wrote:
>
> > still trying to figure out what kind of filter it is. The inscription in
the
> > inner ring is "B+W 67E 010 1x". Since it's a 67mm filter I'm assuming
67E is for
> > the thread size, 010 is the filter type (?) and 1x is for the exposure
> > compensation. Can someone confirm my assumption?
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Check this link:
>
> http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000xp0
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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RE: Lenses in the field

2002-08-17 Thread Gary J Sibio

At 11:51 AM 8/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Peter,
>
>The focal range you mention works out well.  The 135 would probably not get
>used as much, in my opinion.  I tend to carry the longer focal lengths but
>find their use is minimal in my case.

Sorry this is a bit delayed but I was out-of-town this week.

You're right that the 135 would not get a lot of use but, when I was at the 
Parthenon, the moon happened to make a daytime appearance coming up between 
two of the pillars. The longest I had with me was 100mm. I would have 
killed for something that would have made the moon look larger.



Gary J. Sibio
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Re: must have primes?

2002-08-17 Thread Rob Studdert

On 17 Aug 2002 at 20:43, Rogier van der Peijl wrote:

> I've been planning to buy me some primes, cause it seems that when I use my zoom
> lenses I usually keep them set on the same distances... Which primes do you
> think are a must have?

Hi Rogier,

A good useful spread is 20, 28, 50 and 135, over time by sticking to a set of 
primes like this it becomes very easy to pre-visualize the lens FL required for 
a given scene.

Cheers,
Rob Studdert
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Re: Bad news and good news

2002-08-17 Thread Rob Studdert

On 17 Aug 2002 at 18:06, Jeff wrote:

> still trying to figure out what kind of filter it is. The inscription in the
> inner ring is "B+W 67E 010 1x". Since it's a 67mm filter I'm assuming 67E is for
> the thread size, 010 is the filter type (?) and 1x is for the exposure
> compensation. Can someone confirm my assumption?

Hi Jeff,

Check this link:

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000xp0

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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FS: A good Saturday

2002-08-17 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

#1  Watson bulk film loader.  Nice.  Complete.  In box.  $10 + shpg
#2  Paterson Super System 4 Tank & 1 spool.  $10 + shpg.

Collin
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Re: Bad news and good news

2002-08-17 Thread Jeff

> I'm still trying to figure out what kind of filter it is. The inscription
in
> the inner ring is "B+W 67E 010 1x". Since it's a 67mm filter I'm assuming
> 67E is for the thread size, 010 is the filter type (?) and 1x is for the
> exposure compensation.
> Can someone confirm my assumption?

Just confirmed it.
010 is for UV filter.
1x is for exposure factor (compensation)

Jeff
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RE: Bad news and good news

2002-08-17 Thread David Chang-Sang

I will repeat my chant:

"I hate Jeff
I hate Jeff
I hate Jeff"
:-)

Now that I have that out of my system..
I think that may be a Neutral Density filter ? (I'm guessing here)
How the hell do you keep finding these DEALS !!!
See if you can scout out a 150mm Zeiss F4 lens for my blad will ya ? :-)

Good show,
Dave


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 6:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Bad news and good news


Sorry, my laptop hiccuped.

Last week I met someone that had the 65mm and 180mm lenses for my G690. I
was so excited, because they were described to me as excellent and better.
But then reality s with a unk in. Upon inspection I realised that the 65mm
lens had a non funcional shutter and the 180mm lens was an abused lens.

I was deflating very quickly, but then I saw a GSW690 advertised at Vistek.
When I called them to confirm the availability of this camera, I was told
that it was just sold, but a GSW690III was available instead.
After twisting a few arms, I picked this camera for $900 CDN with a cheap
carrying case and a B+W filter.
I'm still trying to figure out what kind of filter it is. The inscription in
the inner ring is "B+W 67E 010 1x". Since it's a 67mm filter I'm assuming
67E is for the thread size, 010 is the filter type (?) and 1x is for the
exposure compensation.
Can someone confirm my assumption?

I'm in 6x9 heaven now.

Jeff.
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RE: must have primes?

2002-08-17 Thread David Chang-Sang

Ooo :)
This is an easy one:

SMC-M 50mm 1.4
SMC-M 28mm 3.5
SMC-M 135mm 3.5

Just pretend the Pentax is a rangefinder and you're set with this set of
primes :)

Cheers,
Dave

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Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: must have primes?


I've been planning to buy me some primes, cause it seems that when I use my
zoom lenses I usually keep them set on the same distances...
Which primes do you think are a must have?

regards,

Rogier van der Peijl
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Re: Photos from Russia

2002-08-17 Thread Mishka

It's fantastic! Thanks for sharing.

Mishka

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> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:29:56 -0700 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Bad news and good news

2002-08-17 Thread Jeff

Sorry, my laptop hiccuped.

Last week I met someone that had the 65mm and 180mm lenses for my G690. I
was so excited, because they were described to me as excellent and better.
But then reality s with a unk in. Upon inspection I realised that the 65mm
lens had a non funcional shutter and the 180mm lens was an abused lens.

I was deflating very quickly, but then I saw a GSW690 advertised at Vistek.
When I called them to confirm the availability of this camera, I was told
that it was just sold, but a GSW690III was available instead.
After twisting a few arms, I picked this camera for $900 CDN with a cheap
carrying case and a B+W filter.
I'm still trying to figure out what kind of filter it is. The inscription in
the inner ring is "B+W 67E 010 1x". Since it's a 67mm filter I'm assuming
67E is for the thread size, 010 is the filter type (?) and 1x is for the
exposure compensation.
Can someone confirm my assumption?

I'm in 6x9 heaven now.

Jeff.
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Re: Re[2]: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Alan Chan

>Indeed. But I think that the majority of the MF cameras are being used in
>studios. IMHO this is where Pentax strategy is quite inconsistent. Most of
>the field photographers prefer to use 35mm or digital cameras because of
>their convenience: such cameras are lighter or at least their equipment is
>lighter (most of all - lenses), they usually have better parameters (say 
>for
>example:  flash sync speed), much more lenses of different kinds and focal
>lengths to choose from, easier and cheaper processing. Pentax is unique in
>terms of the compact size of its MF cameras but is also the only major MF
>producer that hasn't introduced interchangeable backs so far. You're right
>saying that the place that they do well is in field cameras, but heading 
>for
>this segment only is in fact heading for the dead end. IMHO Pentax will be
>forced to introduce interchangeable backs to settle among studio
>photographers or else they will be floating around as a satellite. AFAIK
>(I'm not an MF shooter yet:)) Bronica produces digital backs. This will 
>make
>the issue even more important for Pentax...

I don't know your definition of field camera. But for landscape at least, MF 
is much better than 35mm due to larger film format. And I sure prefer 120 
for landcape if I can afford to.

>classic style, elegance, convenience of control, ergonomy, backward
>compatibility. These are serious weapons against opponents, but need to be
>properly used. A Dynaxx 7 is no match for the Z-1p when we talk about
>ergonomy and convenience of use. The only good thing it has is the large 
>LCD
>on the back panel, but who cares for it when it is necessary to control the
>camera without taking an eye away from a viewfinder and the Dynaxx 7 does
>not allow it. I know it because I have chance to play with this camera - 
>one
>of my good friends has it. I haven't played with a Dynaxx 9 but suspect 
>it's
>no better...

Personally, I don't see how "classic style, elegance, convenience of 
control, ergonomy, backward compatibility" could be serious weapons. These 
factors are 2nd consideration at most. Besides, I don't think Z-1p can 
compete with Minolta 7 or 9.

>Yes, you're right - film cameras will become tools for hobbyists only...
>Actually I don't really see any feature that Canon or Nikon could add to 
>the
>F5 or EOS1v. They are pretty much complete bodies. But Pentax could do it.
>Unfortunately, you're probably right about those economical obstacles.
>Perhaps something, what we on the PDML disscussed some time ago, would be
>the solution: a modular camera - the one that accepts both films and CCD's,
>has interchangeable prisms and viewfinders as well as boosters, battery
>packs, external power sources etc...Combining it with new Ltd and * lenses,
>that would support Image Stabilisation would be a powerful weapon.

Any modular system is expensive, and I doubt it will ever happen. Besides, 
if this is important to anyone, why wait for Pentax when Nikon has the F5 
now? Just doesn't make sense.

regards,
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Bad news and good news

2002-08-17 Thread Jeff

Last week I met someone that had the 65mm and 180mm lenses for my G690. I
was
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Re: asa rating on the K2 ??

2002-08-17 Thread Photo1034

In a message dated 8/17/2002 12:45:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> lol damn that was mighty stupid of me I had been hitting myself on
> the head why they'd put exposure and asa rating on the same ring never
> noticed the silver one was also turnable.   :D :D
> 
> thanx a lot..
> 
> regards,
> 
> Rogier
> 
> 

Glad to help. Actually, I wouldn't call it stupid - it isn't exactly obvious. 
Did you break any fingernails? On one of my K2's, the ISO ring turns easily. 
On the other, patience, bad language, and a good grip are necessary. For some 
 reason, it seems easier to turn with the lens removed. Is that because 
of grip, or is it my imagination?

Ed
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Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Alan Chan

> There was a lot of speculation on this list about a year ago on a lot 
>of
>innovative digital things; a 'dual-format' slr, able to do both digital and
>film simultaneously, without switching backs; rumours of a digital
>viewfinder built into their 35mm's; rumours of a digital viewfinder for the
>67, negating the use of Polaroid backs; and of course, the ill-fated MZS-D
>full frame ccd camera.

Personally, I have never thought the "dual format" idea would work. Just too 
expensive to develop and not practical.

>  There has also been a lot of speculation regarding the future of 
>SLR's;
>about the fabled 'flagship' camera that may or may not exist and/or come to
>market; rumours of Pentax 'Image Stabilization' patents, and that Pentax
>actually sold the technology to Canon, and were 'sitting on it', or were
>unable to use it themselves due to licensing restrictions. If that was the
>case, it was a very bad misjudgement of the technology by Pentax; I guess
>they thought Canon would not really be able to make it as 'viable' as it 
>has
>been, and totally misjudged the marketplace acceptance of it; Canon now
>surpasses even Nikon in the pro market, and it is largely due to
>technological innovations like IS.

In terms of technology, Canon was ahead of Nikon since they introduced the 
EOS system, and it was back to 1988?

> There have been rumours of IS teleconverters, TLR's, Rangefinders to
>match the Limited Lenses, and all kinds of stuff. So far all we have seen 
>in
>the high end line up are three Limited lenses with equally limited focal
>lengths, the MZ-S, and a 360 flash unit, both of which are technically
>marvelous and somewhat innovative in their diminutive size, but are less
>performance oriented than the items they have 'replaced': the PZ-1 and the
>FTZ 500. The shutter speeds and drive speed of that camera are not anywhere
>near the current 'Pro' specs, and the lack of separate shutter and aperture
>wheels make metered manual very cumbersome for someone with big hands using
>the pro glass; ever tried to get your thumb onto the aperture wheel of the
>FA* 85mm f=1.4? And the guide number of the flash unit is several notches
>down from what 'Pro' spec is currently, and the lack of a pivoting function
>is likewise quite useless. Indeed, my Metz MZ40 far outperforms even the 
>FTZ
>500, its supposedly direct competitor.

I have the 40MZ3i too but I think it's too complicated and the odd shape 
fits nowhere in any of my camera bags. It works well, but do I really need 
all the buttons on the back? Ok, the aperture ring on the FA*85 sucks, I 
agree. Besides, don't this lens deserve a round shape 9 piece aperture 
blades?

> My guess for the next Limited; a very disappointing 50mm f=1.2 based 
>on
>the one from the LX 2000. That will sure go well with the 43mm. What's 
>next,
>a 28? Or maybe an 85mm. I'm not optimistic (but have been wrong before).

Well, the Limited 50/1.2 was made for the LX2000 only and never mean to be 
used or sold seperately. Just to soak up more money for Pentax. Personally, 
I see no practical reason to carry 2 standard lenses in my bag.

> Either Pentax will have a whole lot of treats for us at Photokina next
>month, or there are going to be a whole lot of disappointed Pentax gurus 
>out
>there and, subsequently, a whole lot of used equipment on the market as
>people wholeheartedly dump their gear in order to jump ship to Canon or
>Nikon. The Pentax Digital SLR had better be marvelous, or I will be one of
>them.
>
> We are sick of waiting.
>
> Rapidly losing faith,

The used narket will soak them up as soon as you dumped your gears. Everyone 
is waiting, including Nikon and Canon fans. Just that we are waiting for our 
own dreams. In the meantime, I just keep shooting.

regards,
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Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Alan Chan

>If, as you think, Pentax decided to specialise in the MF, then how come 
>they
>introduce new 35mm bodies so often as well as introduce new features like
>P-TTL, HSS, SAFOX VII in 35mm bodies? I think they focus equally on both
>formats. Besides, you're wrong about that Pentax supremacy in the MF
>segment. The reason is simple - bodies lack interchangeable backs. This is
>more important and decisive thing than one would suspect.

If I am not mistaken, P645 and P67 system were designed for field use where 
polaroid backs aren't important. Also, the relatively affordable P67 lenses 
are big plus.

>Also don't overestimate digital cameras - only the most expensive of them
>are capable of producing good pictures and there are still situations when
>films are unbeatable.

But the digital technology has been developing so fast we might not know how 
soon it will equal the 35mm format in terms of quality.

>Last but not least, my answer to your final question... I think that no pro
>(sorry for using this word again) will turn from C/N to Pentax unless 
>Pentax
>provides them with equally equiped, yet unique, highly specialised body. I

Good products alone mean nothing. Minolta have many great products too but 
still no match to Nikon and Canon. To really compete with them, Pentax 
needed many significantly better products as well as total commitment to 
their service support which will cost them a fortune. Not to mention they 
need to raise their image too. A gambling if you ask me.

>mean both film and digital stuff. But don't forget that there are and will
>be new people in the pro segment, who are seeking or will seek such cameras
>for themseves and these are the people Pentax should think of...

Unfortunately, to most newbie, Nikon and Canon are all they care.

>What I dream about, especially after buying a Z-1p a few days ago, is a 
>body
>which is based on the Z-1p in terms of the whole design, ergonomy and
>features, yet upgraded with the SAFOX VII, electronic DOF preview, 
>magnesium
>housing, P-TTL, HSS, Battery Grip. I really estimate the Z-1p's 
>HyperProgram
>and built-in flash compensation which are so convenient to use, especially
>after playing with the MZ-5n which is in a way similar to operate to the
>MZ-S.

The appearance of Z-1p is so similar to other cameras in its era, people 
just didn't notice it.  :(

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Conrad F. Samuels

On 17/08/02 at 18:28 Artur Ledóchowski pounded the keys and wrote as follows:

>
>If, as you think, Pentax decided to specialise in the MF, then how come
>they
>introduce new 35mm bodies so often as well as introduce new features like
>P-TTL, HSS, SAFOX VII in 35mm bodies? I think they focus equally on both
>formats. Besides, you're wrong about that Pentax supremacy in the MF
>segment. The reason is simple - bodies lack interchangeable backs. This is
>more important and decisive thing than one would suspect.
>Also don't overestimate digital cameras - only the most expensive of them
>are capable of producing good pictures and there are still situations when
>films are unbeatable.
>Last but not least, my answer to your final question... I think that no pro
>(sorry for using this word again) will turn from C/N to Pentax unless
>Pentax
>provides them with equally equiped, yet unique, highly specialised body. I
>mean both film and digital stuff.

Artur,

I agree in principle with all you say.  Sure enough, if this ever happened then maybe 
things will revive.  But I have my doubts.  They are based on the following logic 
(maybe faulty):  Pentax started out with slr's when the market was new.  When the 
going got crowded they backed down.  Nikon and Canon took over.  I simply cannot ever 
see Pentax taking over from Nikon/Canon, simply because those companies have 
demonstrated over and again an involvement with the end user which is foreign to 
Pentax all over the world excepting in Norway.  I have been a Pentax user since the 
60's but I can tell you that Nikon is just as good if not better in some areas.  There 
are many Nikon/Canon users out there who would have to give up all their investment to 
go the Pentax route.  And why should any newcomers go the Pentax route exactly?  How 
will they know how good Pentax is?  What about after sales service?
Conrad Samuels
Kirstenhof SA
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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread Peter Smekal

Well, at least I'm not the only one. Some quotes from Stan's site regarding
various lenses:

Paul Stregevsky -  And it feels oh so nice in the hand. . .

Paul Stenquist -  The focus feel and aperture ring movement are very nice.

Mike Wilson -  Feels good when it is new...

Ralf -  manual focus feel is very good.

David A. Mann -  The manual focussing feel is really nice.  This lens just
looks too weird on the Z-1p but it suits my chrome K2 pretty well. . .
Adding filters makes it look even stranger

Fred - . . . Not counting its silver or chrome color (which I
still can't get used to, though I guess I've now stopped trying),

George Stanley -  This is purely subjective--
but I like the feel and handling of this lens. I enjoy using it!

Bruce Dayton - . I have to agree . . . that it looks odd on the all black
PZ-1p.

Mark Roberts - . . . it's a beauty. Great optically of course, but the heft
and "feel" of the thing is just unsurpassed. . . . .


Peter Smekal
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Re: asa rating on the K2 ??

2002-08-17 Thread Rogier van der Peijl

lol damn that was mighty stupid of me I had been hitting myself on
the head why they'd put exposure and asa rating on the same ring never
noticed the silver one was also turnable.   :D :D

thanx a lot..

regards,

Rogier

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: asa rating on the K2 ??


> In a message dated 8/17/2002 11:46:22 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> > Well, I've finally acquired a K2 but I have a question I've
downloaded
> > the owners manual and still don't really understand how the asa rating
on
> > the camera works... the exposure (1/4, 1/2, 1x, 2 and 4) setting seems
to
> > be
> > on the same ring.. can anyone explain how to correctly set the asa
rating??
> >
>
> Set exposure compensation @1x. Do not move from 1x while accomplishing the
> following: Press in black button near bottom of lens mount; while holding
in
> the button twist the silver-colored knurled ring to set ISO to arrow. Some
> K2's require a strong grip. Good luck.
>
> Ed
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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread Len Paris

I'd like to have one of those!  If only to enhance the
aesthetics of my PZ-1p. ;-)

Len
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Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Lenses in the field (2)


> Of course not, Len! You must be aware of that that Pentax
manufactures
> black FA43/1.9's only to enhance image quality.
>
> Peter
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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread Peter Smekal

Of course not, Len! You must be aware of that that Pentax manufactures
black FA43/1.9's only to enhance image quality.

Peter

>The oddness doesn't seem to hurt the sharpness of the images
>taken with that particular combination but I understand that
>it's the appearance that counts most.  Right?
>
>Len
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>Subject: Re: Lenses in the field (2)
>
>
>> The FA43/1.9 is an autofocus-lense. Is it a joy to use
>manually  on an LX
>> too (besides the possibly odd look of a silver lense on a
>black body)?
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Re: asa rating on the K2 ??

2002-08-17 Thread Photo1034

In a message dated 8/17/2002 11:46:22 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Well, I've finally acquired a K2 but I have a question I've downloaded
> the owners manual and still don't really understand how the asa rating on
> the camera works... the exposure (1/4, 1/2, 1x, 2 and 4) setting seems to 
> be
> on the same ring.. can anyone explain how to correctly set the asa rating??
> 

Set exposure compensation @1x. Do not move from 1x while accomplishing the 
following: Press in black button near bottom of lens mount; while holding in 
the button twist the silver-colored knurled ring to set ISO to arrow. Some 
K2's require a strong grip. Good luck.

Ed
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Re[2]: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Bruce Dayton

Artur,

See below:


AL> If, as you think, Pentax decided to specialise in the MF, then how come they
AL> introduce new 35mm bodies so often as well as introduce new features like
AL> P-TTL, HSS, SAFOX VII in 35mm bodies? I think they focus equally on both
AL> formats. Besides, you're wrong about that Pentax supremacy in the MF
AL> segment. The reason is simple - bodies lack interchangeable backs. This is
AL> more important and decisive thing than one would suspect.
AL> Also don't overestimate digital cameras - only the most expensive of them
AL> are capable of producing good pictures and there are still situations when
AL> films are unbeatable.

Pentax has had to introduce the innovations mentioned to be able to
compete in the 35mm non-pro market because all the other makers have
already introduced these capabilities.  Besides the ergonomics of the
MZ-S, what feature on it has not been available on one or more bodies
from the other manufacturers.  They are largely playing catch up or
just staying even with the competition.  Without those kind of
features they would cease to be a player in that market.

I do agree that they probably focus somewhat equally on MF and 35mm.

As to the Pentax Supremacy in MF, I do agree that they are not the
main player.  That market is much more clearly divided into
functionality.  In the areas where interchangeable backs are
important, Pentax doesn't compete very well.  The place that they do
well is in field cameras.  I still say that digital is going to impact
these markets and from my observations, is already being impacted even
by 35mm DSLR's.  Image quality aside, the business reasons to use
digital for wedding/portrait work is overwhelming.  Cost savings on
film, developing and proofing is enormous.  The ability to verify that
the shots were captured along with turnaround time are also very
valuable.  Some that I have observed are also willing to shoot alot
more shots (2 to 3 times more) to get the right images at the cost of
temporary storage on memory cards.  As long as the buying clients are
willing to accept the quality that is offered by digital, the MF pro
will be compelled to move to digital as quick as he/she can.


AL> Last but not least, my answer to your final question... I think that no pro
AL> (sorry for using this word again) will turn from C/N to Pentax unless Pentax
AL> provides them with equally equiped, yet unique, highly specialised body. I
AL> mean both film and digital stuff. But don't forget that there are and will
AL> be new people in the pro segment, who are seeking or will seek such cameras
AL> for themseves and these are the people Pentax should think of...

The real problem here is that Minolta has already attempted and failed
to do just what you are describing.  The support/marketing for the pro
world also has to be in place.  The one area where Pentax seems to be
able to provide something unique is in the SMC coatings.
Unfortunately, no one really acknowledges or really cares about that
outside of Pentax circles.  Read any lens review - especially Pop
Photo who remarks on flare and you will find that Pentax lenses don't
seem much if any different than other brands.

AL> What I dream about, especially after buying a Z-1p a few days ago, is a body
AL> which is based on the Z-1p in terms of the whole design, ergonomy and
AL> features, yet upgraded with the SAFOX VII, electronic DOF preview, magnesium
AL> housing, P-TTL, HSS, Battery Grip. I really estimate the Z-1p's HyperProgram
AL> and built-in flash compensation which are so convenient to use, especially
AL> after playing with the MZ-5n which is in a way similar to operate to the
AL> MZ-S.

I'm afraid you will have to be happy being a dreamer.  It doesn't make
economic sense to build such a camera.  I'm afraid that the ability to
sell such film cameras in the future is going to diminish due to the
digital arena.  The best we can hope for is a trickle down from DSLR
development to be used in the film cameras.  I don't expect any more
major SLR developments from Nikon/Canon that aren't digital.


Bruce
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asa rating on the K2 ??

2002-08-17 Thread Rogier van der Peijl

Well, I've finally acquired a K2 but I have a question I've downloaded
the owners manual and still don't really understand how the asa rating on
the camera works... the exposure (1/4, 1/2, 1x, 2 and 4) setting seems to be
on the same ring.. can anyone explain how to correctly set the asa rating??

regards,

Rogier van der Peijl
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Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Artur Ledóchowski

- Original Message -
From: "Conrad F. Samuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?


> I think Pentax decided somewhere to specialise in medium format gear.  I
still remember when they brought out their first MF SLR in the early 70's
although the name escapes me now.  In all fairness,  they have never looked
back.  Others have come and gone some more than others (like Mamiya,  maybe
Bronica) but Pentax MF still rules pretty well supreme.  Fine.  This is
their niche.  Why faff around in the murky waters of 35mm especially now
that digital is so popular.  Anyhow,  look at how many Pentax
point-and-shoots, including digital ones,  are for sale.  How many people do
you all think will forsake Nikon/Canon and turn to Pentax?

If, as you think, Pentax decided to specialise in the MF, then how come they
introduce new 35mm bodies so often as well as introduce new features like
P-TTL, HSS, SAFOX VII in 35mm bodies? I think they focus equally on both
formats. Besides, you're wrong about that Pentax supremacy in the MF
segment. The reason is simple - bodies lack interchangeable backs. This is
more important and decisive thing than one would suspect.
Also don't overestimate digital cameras - only the most expensive of them
are capable of producing good pictures and there are still situations when
films are unbeatable.
Last but not least, my answer to your final question... I think that no pro
(sorry for using this word again) will turn from C/N to Pentax unless Pentax
provides them with equally equiped, yet unique, highly specialised body. I
mean both film and digital stuff. But don't forget that there are and will
be new people in the pro segment, who are seeking or will seek such cameras
for themseves and these are the people Pentax should think of...
What I dream about, especially after buying a Z-1p a few days ago, is a body
which is based on the Z-1p in terms of the whole design, ergonomy and
features, yet upgraded with the SAFOX VII, electronic DOF preview, magnesium
housing, P-TTL, HSS, Battery Grip. I really estimate the Z-1p's HyperProgram
and built-in flash compensation which are so convenient to use, especially
after playing with the MZ-5n which is in a way similar to operate to the
MZ-S.
Greetz
Artur
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Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Bruce Dayton

Tom,

That's news to me.  I was aware that Kodak had built a FrankenCamera
or two, but those are certainly not interchangeable backs.  Fuji has
done the same thing, but you can't use film and digital in any of
them.  If Nikon has really done this, could you enlighten us a bit
more?

Thanks,


Bruce



Saturday, August 17, 2002, 4:03:51 AM, you wrote:

TR> Could be. They're making those digital backs for the Nikon 35mm bodies.

>>Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:34:23 EDT
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

>>Just a thought.  With talk about a new Pentax digital SLR system, what is
TR> the
>>possibility that the new Pentax 35mm flagship camera is a film/digital
>>system?  A single pro grade camera with interchangeable backs!
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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread Fred

> It's not the appearance that counts the most.  It's the feel of
> the focus ring.

Amen.  ;-)

Fred
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Re[2]: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Bruce Dayton

Artur,

You make some valid points.  The original discussion was about Pentax
competing on the high (pro) end of the 35mm market.  In that market
the battle and war are over.  But you are correct that in the beginner
through advanced hobbyist, they are very much alive and competing.

As to the MF market, this is truly and interesting area.  Currently,
some people see interchangeable backs as critical and others do not.
For weddings and some studio work, the back is important, but at a
cost of bulk and weight.  I have talked with several RB/RZ67 owners
who would not consider taking their bodies out into the field, due to
the clumsy off tripod handling.  To me, the long term question is
whether digital will make the need for removable backs unnecessary.  I
can't think of a whole lot of reason to need backs in the digital
world.  Only to use film.  In that case, just pick up the film camera.


Bruce



Saturday, August 17, 2002, 1:19:29 AM, you wrote:

AL> - Original Message -
AL> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AL> Subject: Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?


>> Trying to battle Canon and
>> Nikon on the 35mm front is foolish.  They already lost the battle.

AL> After reading all posting of the thread so far I wonder why we are all still
AL> sticking to Pentax:)
AL> I don't agree with the point of view stated above (and it has been already
AL> disscussed several times), because the photographic market is not a constant
AL> thing. Conditions change. Yes, Pentax lost the battle, but why do you think
AL> they also lost the whole war? They can and IMHO should counterattack. And
AL> actually they do. Of course, I don't know if Pentax is going to try to
AL> reclaim its position in the pro market (I know many of you don't like the
AL> word "pro" - forgive me for using it here) but I don't think that new
AL> advanced features like P-TTL and HSS were introduced for amateurs only or
AL> for two cameras only. MZ-60 doesn't support neither of them AFAIK...
AL> Trying to battle Canon and Nikon is NOT foolish if Pentax has a good
AL> strategy and competitive products. And it has... You would be surprised how
AL> well the MZ-6 is in Poland. It gathers great opinions in the Usenet, wins
AL> magazine tests (beating easily products like Dynaxx 5 and EOS 300). It seems
AL> to become the standard entry level camera for those who plan to develop
AL> their photgraphic skills instead of EOS300 - people either ask for the MZ-6
AL> or ask for advice on what choice of the camera they should make and get the
AL> response of "MZ-6". And if these people want to get some advanced camera in
AL> the future, they will surely go for the MZ-S or even more advanced product
AL> of Pentax ( if such a product exists of course).
AL> What Pentax needs for its counterattack to be successful are IMHO the
AL> following: introduction of the image stabilisation lenses, ultrasonic AF
AL> (not necessarily but would be nice to have it), faster fps rate (at least
AL> matching that of the Z-1p) and MOST OF ALL a proper, clear and consistent
AL> marketing strategy as well as proper cooperation with local dealers, who are
AL> often so much incompetent...
AL> Some of you are surely going to beat me for my words...oh, well, I can
AL> handle it. I've already heard that you don't want Pentax cameras to look
AL> like F5 or EOS1v. I don't want it, too. However, I think that unlike Minolta
AL> Pentax is able to get back into "pro" (oh, yes - again this hated word, but
AL> i don't know how to call it in a different way) market and settle there. Why
AL> "unlike Minolta"? It has already been said several times that Pentax cannot
AL> compete with Canon and Nikon, because Minolta tried it and was unsuccessful.
AL> Yes, but Pentax has serious advantages over Minolta: its somewhat classic
AL> style, elegance, convenience of control, ergonomy, backward compatibility,
AL> SMC etc. The only thing it needs to do is to make a proper use of these
AL> advantages and add to them some new technical fireworks.
AL> Whether Pentax wants to do it or not is of course another thing...

>> The
>> real battle area for them is in the 645 arena.  This is an area where
>> both Contax and Mamiya are working with that very concept.  Pentax
>> would have better luck putting there efforts there.

AL> The battle in the MF market is of course important, but unless Pentax
AL> introduces interchangeable backs for the 645 and 67, it will not be able to
AL> win the battle with Contax and Mamiya. This is of course but a personal
AL> point of view:)
AL> Now I prepare myself to be flamed:))
AL> Greetz
AL> Artur
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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread Rob Studdert

On 17 Aug 2002 at 10:41, Len Paris wrote:

> Considering that I've heard all that stuff right here in the
> PDML for years, it's no wonder I'm begining to spout the party
> line.  And, of course, you're right.  It's not the appearance
> that counts the most.  It's the feel of the focus ring.
> 
> What seems to count the least is the imaging performance.

Agreed, however if its a complete bitch to use then you're hardly going to make 
it your number one image making optic :-)

The focus ring on the "Pancake" is a real PITA

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread Len Paris

Considering that I've heard all that stuff right here in the
PDML for years, it's no wonder I'm begining to spout the party
line.  And, of course, you're right.  It's not the appearance
that counts the most.  It's the feel of the focus ring.

What seems to count the least is the imaging performance.

Len
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Lenses in the field (2)


> - Original Message -
> From: Len Paris
> Subject: Re: Lenses in the field (2)
>
>
> > The oddness doesn't seem to hurt the sharpness of the images
> > taken with that particular combination but I understand that
> > it's the appearance that counts most.  Right?
>
> Hmmm, Len you seem to be trying to take over my position of
PDML
> Butthead
> Of course appearance counts for something. Who wants to use
ugly
> equipment?
> However, "it's the appearance that counts most" is a pretty
> retarded statement, even for this group.
> William Robb
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Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Conrad F. Samuels

On 17/08/02 at 10:19 Artur Ledóchowski pounded the keys and wrote as follows:

>- Original Message -
>From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?
>
>
>> Trying to battle Canon and
>> Nikon on the 35mm front is foolish.  They already lost the battle.
>
>After reading all posting of the thread so far I wonder why we are all
>still
>sticking to Pentax:)
>I don't agree with the point of view stated above (and it has been already
>disscussed several times), because the photographic market is not a
>constant
>thing. Conditions change. Yes, Pentax lost the battle, but why do you think
>they also lost the whole war? They can and IMHO should counterattack.


I seem to recall that when I first came into contact with photography the great neames 
were Leica and Zeiss Contax,  Nikon S2 was just being produced,  Voiugtlander, Reid, 
Kodak and many others were household names.  When Pentax became well-known was with 
their 35mm SLR models like the S1a, SV and suchlike.  Nikon was emerging with the 
F-series and from the start was a standard-setter for solid rugged quality equipment 
while Pentax led with ideas, concepts and innovations.  But Nikon overtook Pentax in 
the PRO-ranks with their marketing strategy and their support base.  Pentax lost that 
round.  Then along came Canon and took a lot of Nikon's share by similar strategy and 
by then Pentax was tailing.

I think Pentax decided somewhere to specialise in medium format gear.  I still 
remember when they brought out their first MF SLR in the early 70's although the name 
escapes me now.  In all fairness,  they have never looked back.  Others have come and 
gone some more than others (like Mamiya,  maybe Bronica) but Pentax MF still rules 
pretty well supreme.  Fine.  This is their niche.  Why faff around in the murky waters 
of 35mm especially now that digital is so popular.  Anyhow,  look at how many Pentax 
point-and-shoots, including digital ones,  are for sale.  How many people do you all 
think will forsake Nikon/Canon and turn to Pentax?


Conrad Samuels
Kirstenhof SA
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Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread ERNReed

In a message dated 8/17/2002 3:22:46 AM Central Daylight Time, 
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> However, I think that unlike Minolta
> Pentax is able to get back into "pro" (oh, yes - again this hated word, but
> i don't know how to call it in a different way) market and settle there. 
> Why
> "unlike Minolta"? It has already been said several times that Pentax cannot
> compete with Canon and Nikon, because Minolta tried it and was 
> unsuccessful.
> Yes, but Pentax has serious advantages over Minolta: its somewhat classic
> style, elegance, convenience of control, ergonomy, backward compatibility,
> SMC etc. 

I would add, compatibility between medium-format and 35mm systems for some 
components -- something that not only is not offered by Minolta, but not 
offered by Nikon or Canon either.


ERNR
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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Len Paris
Subject: Re: Lenses in the field (2)


> The oddness doesn't seem to hurt the sharpness of the images
> taken with that particular combination but I understand that
> it's the appearance that counts most.  Right?

Hmmm, Len you seem to be trying to take over my position of PDML
Butthead
Of course appearance counts for something. Who wants to use ugly
equipment?
However, "it's the appearance that counts most" is a pretty
retarded statement, even for this group.
William Robb
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Re: brochure pics

2002-08-17 Thread Fred

> For those who care to check out some of the brochures.

I thought that the inclusion of an owners manual in .PDF format for
the ES (circa 1972 or so)) was the most intriguing - .

Fred
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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread Len Paris

The oddness doesn't seem to hurt the sharpness of the images
taken with that particular combination but I understand that
it's the appearance that counts most.  Right?

Len
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From: "Peter Smekal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: Lenses in the field (2)


> The FA43/1.9 is an autofocus-lense. Is it a joy to use
manually  on an LX
> too (besides the possibly odd look of a silver lense on a
black body)?
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Re: brochure pics

2002-08-17 Thread Rüdiger Neumann

That are nice brochures, especialy the one about the Pentax lenses. It is a
pity, that they are not in english.
Does anyone know, if there are english versions on the net.
regards
Rüdiger Neumann


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>http://www.cameraunion.com/catalog/catalog-index.htm
>
>For those who care to check out some of the brochures.
>
>regards,
>Alan Chan
>
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Back to Toronto - unsubscribing

2002-08-17 Thread Paul Stenquist

I'll be in Toronto for the next couple of weeks. I'll be staying at the
Four Seasons on Avenue Road. I may be able to break free for lunch or an
evening get together if anyone is up for that. I'll be unsubscribing,
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Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Tom Reese

Could be. They're making those digital backs for the Nikon 35mm bodies.

>Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:34:23 EDT
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

>Just a thought.  With talk about a new Pentax digital SLR system, what is
the
>possibility that the new Pentax 35mm flagship camera is a film/digital
>system?  A single pro grade camera with interchangeable backs!
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Re: Going to San Francisco area next week.

2002-08-17 Thread Angel Ramos

Thanks Brendan, I will try to visit at least on of the stores,  my time 
will be very limited, but hope to get some to check arround and see if I 
get something.  I am also looking for some Lumedyne used equipment.

Angel


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>Angel,
>
>In the City, there's Adolph Gasser on 3rd St. In San Bruno, there's Kaufman's 
>Cameras on San Mateo Ave. In Palo Alto there's Keeble & Shuchat on Califonia 
>Ave.
>
>All sell new and used gear.
>
>-Brendan MacRae
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Re: Re: Taking William Robb's advice....

2002-08-17 Thread David Brooks

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From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:33:31 -0600
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Subject: Re: Taking William Robb's advice


- Original Message - 
 From: David Brooks 
Subject: Re: Taking William Robb's advice


> Have a good weekend up here Bill.The weather 
is 
> off/on rain so far.The Toronto Zoo is one of 
> the better ones i have been to and lots of 
> things to see.
> Blues are fives,Purples are tens and greens 
are 
> twenties :)

Tell him about the quarters..
WW
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:)  :)

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Re: Re: Macophot IR film in 120

2002-08-17 Thread David Brooks

Bill.
Aaron feels he will process his roll in the 
very near future,and will e mail me on what he 
used,times etc and how it turned out.I found 
the website but it does not say much about the 
films,mostly what chemicals of there's to use 
and times.
http://www.mahn.net

Dave

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 From: David Brooks
Subject: OT: Macophot IR film in 120

Never heard of the stuff, but I am interested 
in your results.
L8R
Bill





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brochure pics

2002-08-17 Thread Alan Chan

http://www.cameraunion.com/catalog/catalog-index.htm

For those who care to check out some of the brochures.

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: Richmond Tall Ships 2002

2002-08-17 Thread Cotty

>* Question *
>Can slides be read by a Nikon Neg. Scanner?

Hi James,

Of course. Slide scanner. Neg scanner. Same thing. The proper 
nomenclature (ouch - that's a long one for me first thing on a hot 
Saturday morning) is film scanner.

Cheers,

Cotty

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Re: FS: Pentax MZ-S and FG-10 Grip

2002-08-17 Thread Cotty

Andre, I'm just pulling your leg. The price appears to be a very 
reasonable one. If I was in the market to buy an MZ-S, I would be 
responding for some discussion right now. For my part, I will be moving 
sideways and ditching film for the most part, as I simply don't need the 
quality that it offers.

Good luck with your sale.

Cotty

>You're right Cotty.  We can discuss it at lenght.  I just know I 
>cannot lower it...  I hate to bargain, so I give my last price at 
>first.  Arguably, this is not a good way to make business as you 
>won't give some buyers (in some countries, ALL buyers) the feeling 
>they made a good deal!
>
>But would you like to discuss my price?
>
>Andre
>
>
>
>>  >Sorry, this price is not open to discussion.
>>
>>Andre, Andre, Andre. *What's* the name of this list?
>>
>>:-)


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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread Alan Chan

>The FA43/1.9 is an autofocus-lense. Is it a joy to use manually  on an LX
>too (besides the possibly odd look of a silver lense on a black body)?

I don't have the LX anymore but I like it on my MX.  :)

regards,
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Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?

2002-08-17 Thread Artur Ledóchowski

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From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Next Pentax Flagship Camera?


> Trying to battle Canon and
> Nikon on the 35mm front is foolish.  They already lost the battle.

After reading all posting of the thread so far I wonder why we are all still
sticking to Pentax:)
I don't agree with the point of view stated above (and it has been already
disscussed several times), because the photographic market is not a constant
thing. Conditions change. Yes, Pentax lost the battle, but why do you think
they also lost the whole war? They can and IMHO should counterattack. And
actually they do. Of course, I don't know if Pentax is going to try to
reclaim its position in the pro market (I know many of you don't like the
word "pro" - forgive me for using it here) but I don't think that new
advanced features like P-TTL and HSS were introduced for amateurs only or
for two cameras only. MZ-60 doesn't support neither of them AFAIK...
Trying to battle Canon and Nikon is NOT foolish if Pentax has a good
strategy and competitive products. And it has... You would be surprised how
well the MZ-6 is in Poland. It gathers great opinions in the Usenet, wins
magazine tests (beating easily products like Dynaxx 5 and EOS 300). It seems
to become the standard entry level camera for those who plan to develop
their photgraphic skills instead of EOS300 - people either ask for the MZ-6
or ask for advice on what choice of the camera they should make and get the
response of "MZ-6". And if these people want to get some advanced camera in
the future, they will surely go for the MZ-S or even more advanced product
of Pentax ( if such a product exists of course).
What Pentax needs for its counterattack to be successful are IMHO the
following: introduction of the image stabilisation lenses, ultrasonic AF
(not necessarily but would be nice to have it), faster fps rate (at least
matching that of the Z-1p) and MOST OF ALL a proper, clear and consistent
marketing strategy as well as proper cooperation with local dealers, who are
often so much incompetent...
Some of you are surely going to beat me for my words...oh, well, I can
handle it. I've already heard that you don't want Pentax cameras to look
like F5 or EOS1v. I don't want it, too. However, I think that unlike Minolta
Pentax is able to get back into "pro" (oh, yes - again this hated word, but
i don't know how to call it in a different way) market and settle there. Why
"unlike Minolta"? It has already been said several times that Pentax cannot
compete with Canon and Nikon, because Minolta tried it and was unsuccessful.
Yes, but Pentax has serious advantages over Minolta: its somewhat classic
style, elegance, convenience of control, ergonomy, backward compatibility,
SMC etc. The only thing it needs to do is to make a proper use of these
advantages and add to them some new technical fireworks.
Whether Pentax wants to do it or not is of course another thing...

> The
> real battle area for them is in the 645 arena.  This is an area where
> both Contax and Mamiya are working with that very concept.  Pentax
> would have better luck putting there efforts there.

The battle in the MF market is of course important, but unless Pentax
introduces interchangeable backs for the 645 and 67, it will not be able to
win the battle with Contax and Mamiya. This is of course but a personal
point of view:)
Now I prepare myself to be flamed:))
Greetz
Artur
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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread Rob Studdert

On 17 Aug 2002 at 9:25, Peter Smekal wrote:

> The FA43/1.9 is an autofocus-lense. Is it a joy to use manually  on an LX
> too (besides the possibly odd look of a silver lense on a black body)?

Well I don't know about joy but it's far more easy to use than the 40mm 
"Pancake" lens IMHO (I have both).

Cheers,

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Re: Going to San Francisco area next week.

2002-08-17 Thread Bmacrae

Angel,

In the City, there's Adolph Gasser on 3rd St. In San Bruno, there's Kaufman's 
Cameras on San Mateo Ave. In Palo Alto there's Keeble & Shuchat on Califonia 
Ave.

All sell new and used gear.

-Brendan MacRae
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Re: Lenses in the field (2)

2002-08-17 Thread Peter Smekal

The FA43/1.9 is an autofocus-lense. Is it a joy to use manually  on an LX
too (besides the possibly odd look of a silver lense on a black body)?


>>As to the 40mm some of the comments on that lense have not been so
>>favourable. Have you tested it? What's your impression?
>
>I had one. Personally, I don't like this lens too much for the fact that
>it's focus ring is too thin. Never managed to grip the focus ring fast
>enough without actually looked at it first. Compared to 50/1.4/1.7/2,
>compact size is the only selling point imho. On the other hand, the FA43/1.9
>is a joy to use.
>
>regards,
>Alan Chan


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