Re: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3

2002-09-03 Thread Ronald de Leeuw

I believe the MZ-3 to have the same auto-focus system as the MZ5(n), which
is quite fast IF there is enough light. Metering of the MZ5/MZ3 is, in my
opinion, excellent. MZ-S should be about the same but then somewhat faster,
and the metering is also more advanced. You get what you pay for,

Rod.

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From: "mrlighthouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 01:39
Subject: Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3


> Hi All,
>
> I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems
> somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I
> have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the
> MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two
> of them.
>
> I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and
> accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the
> two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on
the
> extreme ends. I would appreciate any input.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed Wong
>




Vivitar lenses

2002-09-03 Thread B. Gates

I have three Vivitar Series 1 lenses. The first a Mint 90-180 Flat
Field, a 28-90 2.8-3.5 and a 70-210 3.5. The first I've used with great
results to me with the limited experience that I have. The other two
aren't tested enough to form an opinion. If someone has a knowledgable
opinion about one, or all of these lenses I would appreciate some
feedback. They will be used on my MX and Me-Super. 

Always appreciative;  Bruce.




Re: Lens

2002-09-03 Thread William Johnson

Very nice for portraits.  It's not particularly sharp wide open, but that's ok, it's 
not bad either, and I think that the images generaly hold together well.  I have an 
8x10 of my 
daughter on the wall that I and everyone who sees it really likes it, and it was taken 
wide open.  

I've taken my 85 hiking on a few occasions and came back with some nice shots.  I 
prefer a little longer focal lenght (105) for general use but 85 seems to do fine here 
too. 

William in Utah.

9/3/2002 12:11:22 PM, "B. Gates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I need some opinions about a Pentax K-Mount 85 1:2 lens I'm considering
>for purchase as a portrait and general use lens.
>
>Always appreciative;  Bruce.
>
>
>






Re: M100/4 macro Vs K105/2.8 for sharp portraitsHello again!

2002-09-03 Thread William Johnson

I don't have a  macro to compare it to, but the K105/2.8 handles well, and is a nice 
focal length to work with, and is indeed sharp.  

Bokeh can be pretty gruesome though, especially with any kind of  out of focus 
specular highlights.  More than any other lens I own (or have owned) I have to be 
careful of how I choose to use it, or it's pretty nigh useless.  

Closer to infinity or with a very subdued background it's nice enough to use however.

William in Utah

9/3/2002 5:53:29 PM, "A K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
>  Date:   Tue, 03 Sep 2002 23:53:29 +
>
>  From:   "A K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Subject:M100/4 macro Vs K105/2.8 for sharp portraitsHello again!
>
>
>
>  I use M100/4 macro and M85/2 for portraits.
>  When I want more flattering look I use M85/2 wide open
>  because of it's lower resolution and general softness.
>  When I want wrinkles and sharp skin pores I use M100/4 macro.
>  I missed one opportunity to buy a K105/2.8.
>  It seems that PDMLers like this lens very much.
>  Does anybody know how does it compare to M100/4 macro in terms of sharpness?
>  When I use my macro lens for portraits I'm shooting at small apertures to
>  get greater DOF,
>  so bokeh is not that important to me since I'm looking for maximum
>  sharpness.
>  Thanks,
>  Aleksandar
>
>
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Re: MZ-S WOW!

2002-09-03 Thread Bruce Dayton

Robert,

Yes, it certainly is very comfortable to hold and use.  That was one
of the selling points to me.  After holding the PZ-1p's for so long,
the MZ-S just fit my hand more comfortably - less strain.

The focus select is not one of the strong points on the camera.  It is
quite usable as long as you cradle the lens with your left hand.  That
puts your middle finger in a reasonable position to reach and push on
the lever.  Spinning the dial to select is quite easy.

The hardest thing for me to discover was to pull with my thumb to spin
the dial rather than push.  When I push, it is quite stiff, but when I
pull, it moves very easily.


Bruce



Tuesday, September 3, 2002, 6:25:28 PM, you wrote:

RW> Dear List,

RW> Got to handle an MZ-S with and without the grip on Friday. Wow.  The most
RW> ergonomic camera I have ever held.  I like a lot of things about it which
RW> have been discussed extensively on this list.  The only gripe I have is the
RW> way you select focus points.

RW> Regards,

RW> Robert




Re: Lens

2002-09-03 Thread Fred

> I have an 85/2 SMC M. Love it. Small, fast, and sharp. I'm sure
> the K 85/1.8 is sharper and the A 85/1.4 is even better. But I
> like the size of the M and the fact that it takes 49mm filters.
> The 85/2 is much better than some reviewers would have you
> believe. Try it.

Well, I wouldn't exactly say that the the M 85/2 is "sharp".
However, it's a lot better lens than some on this list have given it
credit for in the past.  It's not my favorite Pentax 85 (the K
85/1.8 and the A 85/1.4 are indeed better), but it does a good job
as a compact portrait lens.

Fred





Re: M100/4 macro Vs K105/2.8 for sharp portraitsHello again!

2002-09-03 Thread Fred

> I missed one opportunity to buy a K105/2.8. It seems that PDMLers
> like this lens very much. [snip] When I use my macro lens for
> portraits I'm shooting at small apertures to get greater DOF, so
> bokeh is not that important to me since I'm looking for maximum
> sharpness.

Not all of us like it that much, Aleksandar.  I had one a few months
ago but sold it after using it for a bit - I found that the bokeh
was very harsh (and bokeh is very important to me).  See:

http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/k105f28/

On the other hand, it did seem reasonably sharp (although I think
that most 100-ish macro lenses seem to be sharper, even at
infinity).  So, since you say sharpness is more important to you
than bokeh, it might be satisfactory for your purposes.

Fred





Re: Lens

2002-09-03 Thread Fred

> a realy nice comparision test is at

> http://www.arnoldstark.de/pentax.htm

I also have some 85mm comparisons (including the M 85/2 and several
other 85's) at

http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/85compar/

Fred





Re: Lens

2002-09-03 Thread Fred

> I know it's sharp and has nice bokeh. Great for portraiture.

Well, it's fairly sharp stopped down, but is a bit softer than a
couple of the other Pentax 85's wide open.  It does have fairly
decent bokeh, in my opinion.  It's not a bad little 85 at all.

Fred





Re: Re: [OT] Contax G1/2 vs. Fuji GS645s

2002-09-03 Thread Jeff

They didn't want to guarantee the job. But my only other option was to send
the camera to Wiz Camera Repairs in the US.
That plus the fact that I purchased a Fuji GSW690III with a defective "T"
shutter setting, I finally decided to take both cameras to Fuji Canada.

I'm anxiously waiting for the completion of the repairs.

Jeff.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [OT] Contax G1/2 vs. Fuji GS645s


> I thought they baled on you Jeff.
>
> Dave
>
>  Begin Original Message 
>
> From: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:30:45 -0400
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [OT] Contax G1/2 vs. Fuji GS645s
>
>
> I own the GS645 folder.
> Optically it's top notch. Mechanically, it has a few issues. It's now
> at
> Fuji Canada having the bellows replaced.
> The GS645S has a fixed lens, so it doesn't suffer from the dreaded
> pinholed
> bellows. Optcally, it's also excellent. It's not as compact as the
> folder,
> but still not too large.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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RE: thoughts on fuji across

2002-09-03 Thread tom

It's Fuji Acros, and it's been out for at least a year.

It's pretty good stuff, though I prefer Delta 100. It looks nice in
Rodinal.

tv


> -Original Message-
> From: Lukasz Kacperczyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 5:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: thoughts on fuji across
>
>
> It's a new emulsion. I'm not sure if it's available
> everywhere (I don't know
> if I can buy it here in Poland either :)
>
> Lukasz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: thoughts on fuji across
>
>
>
> Neither have I! Where/how can I get some and give it a try?
>
> Bill  KG4LOV
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> > What film is this ?
> > Never heard of "Fuji Across"..
>




Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-03 Thread Mark Roberts

Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>So they may be called ISC lenses? In previous patents they have called 
>it "blur correcting" - BC lenses.

I vote for "motion control" - hey, it works for running shoes! ;-)
-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com




Re: MZ-S WOW!

2002-09-03 Thread Bill Owens



> Dear List,
>
> Got to handle an MZ-S with and without the grip on Friday. Wow.  The most
> ergonomic camera I have ever held.  I like a lot of things about it which
> have been discussed extensively on this list.  The only gripe I have is
the
> way you select focus points.

But once you get used to using the middle finger of your left hand  to push
up the switch and your right thumb to spin the wheel, it's really pretty
neat.

Bill






MZ-S WOW!

2002-09-03 Thread Robert Woerner

Dear List,

Got to handle an MZ-S with and without the grip on Friday. Wow.  The most
ergonomic camera I have ever held.  I like a lot of things about it which
have been discussed extensively on this list.  The only gripe I have is the
way you select focus points.

Regards,

Robert




Re: M135/3.5 Vs K135/3.5

2002-09-03 Thread Mishka

for that much, i would grab it, and then, if i don't like it, sell it on
ebay.

best,
mishka

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From: "A K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 7:44 PM
Subject: M135/3.5 Vs K135/3.5


> Hi,
> I have a perfectly clean M135/3.5.
> I can buy a K135/3,5 in great condition, except for one tiny cleaning
> mark in center of front element. The price would be 50 US$.
> I've heard somewhere that K version is better than M. Should I buy this
lens?
> Thanks,
> Aleksandar
>
>
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M100/4 macro Vs K105/2.8 for sharp portraitsHello again!

2002-09-03 Thread A K

I use M100/4 macro and M85/2 for portraits.When I want more flattering look I use M85/2 wide open because of it's lower resolution and general softness.When I want wrinkles and sharp skin pores I use M100/4 macro.I missed one opportunity to buy a K105/2.8.It seems that PDMLers like this lens very much.Does anybody know how does it compare to M100/4 macro in terms of sharpness?When I use my macro lens for portraits I'm shooting at small apertures to get greater DOF, so bokeh is not that important to me since I'm looking for maximum sharpness.
Thanks,
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Need advice for buying MZ-S or MZ-3

2002-09-03 Thread mrlighthouse

Hi All,

I have a PZ-1P which I like a lot except for the autofocus which seems
somewhat slow and not as accurate compared to some of the newer cameras. I
have been looking around for a new camera and have come down to either the
MZ-S or the MZ3. I know there is a big difference in price between the two
of them. 

I'm interested in how much difference there is in the auto focus speed and
accuracy of the MZ-S to the MZ3 and also the Metering accuracy between the
two of them. I shoot mostly landscapes and auto racing so I'm kind of on the
extreme ends. I would appreciate any input.

Thanks, 
Ed Wong




M135/3.5 Vs K135/3.5

2002-09-03 Thread A K





Hi,I have a perfectly clean M135/3.5.I can buy a K135/3,5 in great condition, except for one tiny cleaning mark in center of front element. The price would be 50 US$. 
I've heard somewhere that K version is better than M. Should I buy this lens?
Thanks,
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K28/3.5 & P30 for 120 US$

2002-09-03 Thread A K



Hello!Just run into a P30 (P3) with K28/3.5 in some sort of pawnshop.I was looking for this lens for a long time to replace my A28/2.8.
The camera is in perfect working condition, very clean inside,some paint is missing on the edges of metal bottom plate.The lens is surprisingly totally dust free inside - it was very dusty outside and had some goo from some sticky tape.There is some paint missing on the aperture ring.It is perfect mechanically; it only has couple of cleaning marks on front elementthat are so tiny, that at first, I thought that they were some dust particles.
I paid 120 US$ for everything.Was the price OK and how much these things go for?
I was thinking of selling P30 with my old A28/2.8.Or maybe I'll keep them as a cheap point&shoot camera for some rough trips!
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Re:Interesting article from PIR

2002-09-03 Thread Albert Fekson

>>you know that copying the entire article breaks a lot of copyright rules<<

I guess if Herb puts a hit on me, I'll say that I will no longer subscribe
to PopPhoto, LOL!

Thanks,
Albert




Re: Michael Reichmann's take on current marketplace (inc stuff on Pentax digital)

2002-09-03 Thread Pål Jensen

David wrote:


> Everyone keeps saying that Pentax is used exclusively in the field... 

No. Almost exclusively...


> Everyone I've talked to has told me that the 6x7 (67, 67II) are used almost
> exclusively by fashion photographers.


How many fashion photographers are there? 
If the 67 had been used almost exclusively by fashion photographers, there wouldn't 
have been a Pentax 67.


Pål









Re: FA 24-90mm compared to ATX 28-70

2002-09-03 Thread wendy beard


>From: andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I was thinking about buying the Pentax FA zoom 24-90mm.  Now I am looking 
>at the Tokina ATX 28-70 2.6-2.8 which is a rebadged Angenieux.  Will I 
>regret it if I buy the Tokina or (better said) if I don't buy the 
>Pentax.  The FA lens (from Dario's test in Spotmatic) has high contrast 
>and resolution, very low flare level.
>
>How is this Tokina (colour balance, flare level etc.)?  (I know it's a lot 
>bigger...)
>
>Andre

Difficult choice - buy them both! (I did!)
If you want the slightly longer/shorter reach then get the Pentax. This is 
also the lighter of the two and may feel better on a lighter body than the 
Tokina would.
The build of the Tokina is absolutely amazing. I did manage to get some 
strange flare effects with a polarizer on the Tokina (b+w - cost an arm and 
a leg for a filter of that size!) and I haven't managed to get the same 
effects with the pentax lens. Do a lot of low light shooting that requires 
a faster lens? Get the Tokina. Likely to meet muggers down a dark alley? 
Get the Tokina.

btw, they both sit beautifully on an MZ-S :)

Wendy

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RE: Strange goings-on

2002-09-03 Thread Łukasz Kacperczyk

<< Anyone else having strange problems with the list? >>

None so far, but the traffic seems unusually light (so maybe I AM having so
problems?).

Lukasz




RE: thoughts on fuji across

2002-09-03 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk

It's a new emulsion. I'm not sure if it's available everywhere (I don't know
if I can buy it here in Poland either :)

Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: thoughts on fuji across



Neither have I! Where/how can I get some and give it a try?

Bill  KG4LOV
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



> What film is this ?
> Never heard of "Fuji Across"..





Strange goings-on

2002-09-03 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Last week I was somehow unsubscribe from the list, without any action on my part.  I 
resubscribed, and it seemed to work normally for a day or so, although traffic was 
light.  Then, all messages stopped again.  This afternoon, I received two emails, 
which appeared to be digests of the list messages, although I never subscribed to the 
digest.  I unsubscribed from the digest and subscribed again to the mail list.  Let's 
see if this works.

Anyone else having strange problems with the list?

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Re: thoughts on fuji across

2002-09-03 Thread Bill Owens


Neither have I! Where/how can I get some and give it a try?

Bill  KG4LOV
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



> What film is this ?
> Never heard of "Fuji Across".. 





Re: Lens

2002-09-03 Thread wendy beard


> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/03/02 02:11PM >>>
>I need some opinions about a Pentax K-Mount 85 1:2 lens I'm
>considering
>for purchase as a portrait and general use lens.
>
>
>Always appreciative;  Bruce.

It's great.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

Compact, well built, a joy to use. I've had one for 3 years and wish I'd 
discovered it earlier.

Wendy

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Re: thoughts on fuji across

2002-09-03 Thread Chris Murray

On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Brendan wrote:

> I just fired off 2 rolls of this stuff and I'm
> mimpressed alot, just very long wash time, ( purple
> tinge for 20 min ) but it's nice. Anyone have other opinions?
> 

I just shot two rolls of Across 100. What developer did you use?  I havn't
developed mine yet, and I am still debating which one to use. Of course
no one locally has the fuji developers (if they even exist beyond the
inside of the box).  

I currently have T-Max, HC-110, and DD-X.  Not sure which to choose
from. I havn't decided which one I want to try yet :)  Maybe I should go
get another roll and try all 3!

- Chris

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Re: Michael Reichmann's take on current marketplace (inc stuff on Pentax digital)

2002-09-03 Thread wendy beard

--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
 > Everyone keeps saying that Pentax is used
 > exclusively in the field...
 > Everyone I've talked to has told me that the 6x7
 > (67, 67II) are used almost
 > exclusively by fashion photographers.

I haven't used my 67 in a field yet.
I did take it up a rather big mountain though.
(As for fashion - what's that?)

Wendy

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Re: E-Bay Question

2002-09-03 Thread Bojidar Dimitrov

Shaun Canning wrote:
> 
> Without meaning to start some full scale inter-continental feud,
> can someone please tell me why German sellers on e-bay almost
> invariably wont post outside Germany?

In eBay.de the default auction "setting" is shipping to Germany and the
EU.  A seller needs to actually read all the "blabber" and decide to
change the setting.

> Is it something to do with customs or GST/VAT restrictions?

No.

> I have a German seller who has just told me it would be more to
> ship an AF500FTZ and TR200 battery pack to Australia than the auction
> price.

This is odd.  Shipping is expensive, but not that bad.  See
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/for_sale/

Cheers,
Bojidar




RE: thoughts on fuji across

2002-09-03 Thread Łukasz Kacperczyk

I haven't tried it, but I read that in order to fully benefit from the fine
grain and smooth tones one has to process it very carefully and in a
particular combination of the chemistry used. There was a test of this film
in a British magazine Black & White Photography if anyone's interested I
could dig this out and post some results.

Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: Brendan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:18 PM
To: Pentax
Subject: thoughts on fuji across


I just fired off 2 rolls of this stuff and I'm
mimpressed alot, just very long wash time, ( purple
tinge for 20 min ) but it's nice. Anyone have other opinions?

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RE: thoughts on fuji across

2002-09-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

What film is this ?
Never heard of "Fuji Across".. Neopan yes.. Across nope... 

Dave


Original Message:
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From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:17:55 -0400 (EDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: thoughts on fuji across 


I just fired off 2 rolls of this stuff and I'm
mimpressed alot, just very long wash time, ( purple
tinge for 20 min ) but it's nice. Anyone have other opinions?

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Re: Lens

2002-09-03 Thread Ronald de Leeuw

Nothing but good things what I've heard about it. I know it's sharp and has
nice bokeh. Great for portraiture. If I'd encounter one for a good price,
I'd take it.

Rod.

- Original Message -
From: "B. Gates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 20:11
Subject: Lens


> I need some opinions about a Pentax K-Mount 85 1:2 lens I'm considering
> for purchase as a portrait and general use lens.
>
> Always appreciative;  Bruce.
>




Re[2]: Kiron 28/2 vs. Pentax M 28/2.8

2002-09-03 Thread Alin Flaider

Łukasz wrote:

ŁK> OK - I'm a nuisance, so what? ;))
ŁK> Here's my earlier post again - I really want to know what you think about it

   Oh well, it looks like no Kiron owner is on the list anymore so
   here's what they used to say some time ago: Kiron 28/2 is the same
   as Vivitar 28/2, it's quite compact and has excellent resolution
   and minimum distortion. Now if you find the contrary, don't shoot
   the messenger. ;o)
 
   Servus, Alin





RE: Applied SciFi blooper

2002-09-03 Thread Rob Brigham

This is interesting - is this in commercial use now?  I remember hearing
of a techology which could scan film without developing, but destroyed
the film in the process - is this the very same?

> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Ignatiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 03 September 2002 16:11
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: OT: Applied SciFi blooper
> 
> 
> Just spotted one in a CVS dowstairs. Looks like... well, 
> applied scifi. You insert a roll of film, in 10 minutes it 
> develops the negs and then you can print it, you can get the 
> scanned CD. 
> 
> Almost wanted to try it, until... "to ensure your privacy, 
> your negatives will be delivered on a CD, and the film will 
> be unusuable and recicled."
> 
> Ooops... I guess the 1hr lab around the corner will still 
> handle my film for a while.
> 
> Mishka
> 
> 




RE: Kiron 28/2 vs. Pentax M 28/2.8

2002-09-03 Thread Łukasz Kacperczyk

OK - I'm a nuisance, so what? ;))
Here's my earlier post again - I really want to know what you think about it
:)


Hi all,
do I really want to replace my M 28 with this Kiron lens? :)
How big is the Kiron (I like the compactness of the M and its 49mm filter
ring)?
How does it behave wide open?
How does it handle flare?
Does it focus the right (Pentax) way?

Well, that's about it. I seem to ask a lot of questions lately, but haven't
bought anything yet, hope this tendency changes :)

Regards,
Łukasz





Re: Looking for a 300mm cheap

2002-09-03 Thread Dr E D F Williams

Sigma ... I have the 400 mm internal focus Apo. It's sharp and easy to
focus. Best medium telephoto I've used.

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: "Christian Skofteland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for a 300mm cheap


> On Monday 02 September 2002 22:25, Jim Fellows wrote:
> > I need a long lens but do not want to spend a how lot of maony.  I want
> > something fairly sharp.  It does not need to be a fast lens as I will be
> > using a tripod.
> >
> > Thanks in advanced for all recommandations.
> >
> > Jim Fellows
>
> Jim,
>
> What's "cheap"?  I am extremely happy with my Sigma 300mm F4 APO macro.
It's
> sharp, has a rotating tripod collar and focuses close.  I think I paid
about
> US$300 for it.  Don't bother with the non-APO non-Macro Sigma.
>
> Christian
>





Re: Looking for a 300mm cheap

2002-09-03 Thread Pentxuser


In a message dated 9/2/02 9:18:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I need a long lens but do not want to spend a how lot of maony.  I want

something fairly sharp.  It does not need to be a fast lens as I will be

using a tripod.


Thanks in advanced for all recommandations.


Jim Fellows >>

Consider the Tokina 400 ATX lens. It's a decent performer at a decent price...
Vic 




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PDMLUK II

2002-09-03 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Having endured John Paul II in Krakow, I now inflict UKPDML II
on those who wish to pay penance for their addiction to
"possibly the finest glass in the world".

THE PLAN:

Spend the weekend of 19/20th October in a log cabin near Kielder
reservoir in Northumberland.  Arrive Friday, leave Monday for
those who can, with various combinations in between.  (The 
cabins sleep between 6-10, usually in double/twin rooms) 
Go to various photogenic locations and stare at the fog or 
try vainly to stop your tripod and camera whirling
away across the moors in the force 10 gale.  Sample a small
proportion of the innumerable local beverages.  Reflect on the
stupidity of mankind and become better persons for it.  Go home.

COST:

About £10/night/person for accommodation.  If we need to hire
transport, about another £100 - £150 divided between the users. 
Food and other sustenance should come to no more than
£50/person, even if we eat out all the time.  Or you can be
subjected 
to the delights of pernackelty, stotties and other, stomach 
deadening epicurean delicacies.

Finer details can be worked out nearer the time and between
those who are involved.  For now, I need confirmation that you
will attend and, in the very near future, the cost of your
accommodation.  This will vary according to the number and type
of cabins we need to book but should be about £30.

Contact me OFF LIST (I did mean to shout there) for my personal
contact details.

mike




Re: 5n Gripe, I guess

2002-09-03 Thread Timothy Sherburne


Which I did, actually, and it makes the whole group photo thing much easier!

t

On 9/2/02 8:32 AM, gfen wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, CBWaters wrote:
>> That's good thinking!  But no such luck.
>> Well, the two functions are actually initiated by the same dial-switch so I
>> don't think it's possible.  If you've got the timer activated, the
>> bracketing isn't.
> 
> Good point. I don't have mine in front of me, and I'm not thinking too
> clearly this AM.
> 
> Well, the other side is you build yourself a 30' cable release! :)
> 




OT: Applied SciFi blooper

2002-09-03 Thread Mike Ignatiev

Just spotted one in a CVS dowstairs. Looks like... well, applied scifi. You
insert a roll of film, in 10 minutes it develops the negs and then you can
print it, you can get the scanned CD. 

Almost wanted to try it, until... "to ensure your privacy, your negatives will
be delivered on a CD, and the film will be unusuable and recicled."

Ooops... I guess the 1hr lab around the corner will still handle my film for a
while.

Mishka




Re: FA 24-90mm compared to ATX 28-70

2002-09-03 Thread Mark Roberts

andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I was thinking about buying the Pentax FA zoom 24-90mm.  Now I am 
>looking at the Tokina ATX 28-70 2.6-2.8 which is a rebadged 
>Angenieux.  Will I regret it if I buy the Tokina or (better said) if 
>I don't buy the Pentax.  The FA lens (from Dario's test in Spotmatic) 
>has high contrast and resolution, very low flare level.
>
>How is this Tokina (colour balance, flare level etc.)?  (I know it's 
>a lot bigger...)

I don't think these are really comparable lenses. The Tokina is much bigger,
much heavier, faster and has a lesser zoom range. OTOH, the Pentax has a much
greater zoom range and is much lighter and more compact.

If you need/want the speed and constrution (the Tokina is built like a tank) and
can do without the zoom range, the 28-70/2.6-2.8 is a teriffic lens (I have one
and it's wonderful). If you need the zoom range and light weight and can do
without the speed, get the Pentax.

-- 
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FA 24-90mm compared to ATX 28-70

2002-09-03 Thread andre

I was thinking about buying the Pentax FA zoom 24-90mm.  Now I am 
looking at the Tokina ATX 28-70 2.6-2.8 which is a rebadged 
Angenieux.  Will I regret it if I buy the Tokina or (better said) if 
I don't buy the Pentax.  The FA lens (from Dario's test in Spotmatic) 
has high contrast and resolution, very low flare level.

How is this Tokina (colour balance, flare level etc.)?  (I know it's 
a lot bigger...)

Andre
-- 




Re: Looking for a 300mm cheap

2002-09-03 Thread Christian Skofteland

On Monday 02 September 2002 22:25, Jim Fellows wrote:
> I need a long lens but do not want to spend a how lot of maony.  I want
> something fairly sharp.  It does not need to be a fast lens as I will be
> using a tripod.
>
> Thanks in advanced for all recommandations.
>
> Jim Fellows

Jim,

What's "cheap"?  I am extremely happy with my Sigma 300mm F4 APO macro.  It's 
sharp, has a rotating tripod collar and focuses close.  I think I paid about 
US$300 for it.  Don't bother with the non-APO non-Macro Sigma.

Christian




Re: Michael Reichmann's take on current marketplace (inc stuff on Pentax digital)

2002-09-03 Thread Ryan K. Brooks


- Original Message -
From: "Paul Ewins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: Michael Reichmann's take on current marketplace (inc stuff on
Pentax digital)


> > But the Pentax 67 can't take any backs, and the ones on the Pentax 645
> > are inserts, not full backs.
>
> So what. All Pentax needs to do is introduce a digital only body that will
> take the 645 lenses (and via the adapter, 67 lenses) and that is taken
care
> of. A digital only body would be a clean sheet of paper apart from the
lens
> mount. Naturally a modified 645 is most likley, but there is no need to
try
> and cater for film AND digital when a digital body would be not that much
> more expensive than a digital back.
>

If it was a "back" configuration, other folks could introduce backs and we
could have a third party market as well.   In addition, this would keep us
up to date more than a single-source solution.   You could buy whatever back
you could afford/need.


> The one thing that I think they should introduce is an interface cable
that
> lets you talk to the firmware, and perhaps a little static RAM so that you
> can add to it. Then you could download the latest nifty PF from the net
and
> install it. I'm sure that there a lot of nerds out there who would buy an
> open-source camera, just so that they could play with the software.
Likewise
> there are probably third party companies that would happily sell you
useful
> updates, just like the replacement scanner drivers that you can buy now.
>

Wasn't that kodak's idea?

R





Re[2]: Michael Reichmann's take on current marketplace (inc stuff on Pentax digital)

2002-09-03 Thread Mike Ignatiev

AFAIK, p67 is used mostly in field. 

assuming this is so, now, if one decides to lug all that glass and metal with
him (along with a big tripod), instead of 35mm gear, the reason must be (unless
the person is out there to get some fitness excercise) to get the maximum
quality on the film, short of carrying a view camera.
 
are you suggesting that that same person would happily pack all the same weight
and settle for, what? -- 16MPixel picture? when all they relly needed to do
achieve the same result is to grab an MX with a couple of small primes and save
a bundle on backpain medicine? 

if i was the head of r&d department at pentax, i wouldn't lose any sleep over
making digital backs for 6x7 (and even 645) bodies. at least, until there are
60MPix. chips anyway.

best,
mishka

> > But the Pentax 67 can't take any backs, and the 
> > ones on the Pentax 645 are inserts, not full backs.




Re: Michael Reichmann's take on current marketplace (inc stuff on Pentax digital)

2002-09-03 Thread Paul Ewins

> But the Pentax 67 can't take any backs, and the ones on the Pentax 645
> are inserts, not full backs.

So what. All Pentax needs to do is introduce a digital only body that will
take the 645 lenses (and via the adapter, 67 lenses) and that is taken care
of. A digital only body would be a clean sheet of paper apart from the lens
mount. Naturally a modified 645 is most likley, but there is no need to try
and cater for film AND digital when a digital body would be not that much
more expensive than a digital back.

Same deal for the 35mm version. Make it whatever shape you want. Make it
from clip together modules if you want, like a hifi system. So long as the
buyer can mount the Pentax glass, they're still in the camera business.

The one thing that I think they should introduce is an interface cable that
lets you talk to the firmware, and perhaps a little static RAM so that you
can add to it. Then you could download the latest nifty PF from the net and
install it. I'm sure that there a lot of nerds out there who would buy an
open-source camera, just so that they could play with the software. Likewise
there are probably third party companies that would happily sell you useful
updates, just like the replacement scanner drivers that you can buy now.

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia




Re: Interesting article from PIR

2002-09-03 Thread Steve Desjardins

I do agree that Olympus could be a real player in the DSLR game.  The
E-10/20 was a bigger hit that many (including me) thought it would be,
and they do have considerable SLR/Lense making ability, assuming it can
be revived.  

Unfortunately the comments about Nikon and Canon also ring true.  We
have to realize that those on this list are not typical precisely
because we have continued to use the Pentax system and have not fallen
for the siren call of the those other systems.  Right or wrong, I'm
afraid that our reaction to this is simply not typical of the bigger
market.




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Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
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Re: Best 400 speed CN film

2002-09-03 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Whats the opinions on the finest
> c-41 400 speed color in terms of
> film grain (or lack of it). I'm not
> so concerned about saturation or
> contrast.

Hi JCO,

Well, I'm a strong 400 film user (well, at least I was until a
couple of years ago). I can say I used in the past almost every
400 speed film and for a long time my choice was... the Kodak
Gold 400!
The choice was mostly due to price vs. quality reasons, but it
was not really the best film in its class.
Now my default 400 speed film is the Kodak Supra, a winner when
it comes to lack of grain, apart from the other good qualities.
I did use the Portra 400 NC not long ago, but it seemed to me
not really as good as the Supra in terms of grain (but it could
be a matter of different shooting environments...).

> I've been using Fuji superia 400
> lately which is excellent for a 400
> film, but I'm wondering if theres
> something even better.

I've had a side by side shooting situation in Siena, when I
switched to a Superia 400 (the 4-layer one) after a Supra 400. I
prefer the Supra shots of that evening, but it can be that the
Superia ones were not as good under other respects, so I could
be leaning towards the Supra for 'compositional' reason...
I've been told that a great 400 film is the Fuji NPH, but I've
never had the chance (nor the will) to try it yet.

> Also what gives finest grain:
> 
> Rated film speed?
> Slight underexposure?
> Slight overexposure?

A slight overexposure can give you finer grain, but you should
not exaggerate or you would have a shifted rendition of colors
(but then, why rate a 400 film at i.e. 200 when you can use a
160 film that gives you better results?). Back to the Kodak Gold
400, once I made a mistake and loaded a roll of it after a Royal
Gold 25 without changing the Iso setting on the camera. I was
used to overexpose of 1/2 a stop on that camera (a K-1000) so I
shot five or six frames at something like 16 Iso... Needless to
say, the pictures were all usable, although not the best
negative in the world for sure...
Hope this helps.

Ciao,

Gianfranco


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RE: September PUG is open

2002-09-03 Thread Rob Brigham

Damn - missed it again.  Why do I always forget?




Re: (1): September PUG is open

2002-09-03 Thread David Brooks

I was to late.Submitted it for Nov instead.:(
Dave

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From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 21:19:55 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: September PUG is open


Thanks to both Jostein and Adelheid for getting mine in there for 
me.  Truly,
above and beyond the call of duty...

thanks and regards,
frank

Jostein wrote:

> It's now also included in the September PUG.
> Adelheid & Jostein
>

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Re: Re: [OT] Contax G1/2 vs. Fuji GS645s

2002-09-03 Thread David Brooks

I thought they baled on you Jeff.

Dave

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From: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:30:45 -0400
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] Contax G1/2 vs. Fuji GS645s


I own the GS645 folder.
Optically it's top notch. Mechanically, it has a few issues. It's now 
at
Fuji Canada having the bellows replaced.
The GS645S has a fixed lens, so it doesn't suffer from the dreaded 
pinholed
bellows. Optcally, it's also excellent. It's not as compact as the 
folder,
but still not too large.

Jeff




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RE: Looking for a 300mm cheap

2002-09-03 Thread Gaurav Aggarwal

I am also looking for a tele so got interested in the post.
Any idea how does this Tamrom compare against the Pentax 80-320
shot at longest range?
Thanks,
Gaurav

> -Original Message-
> From: Sas Gabor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Looking for a 300mm cheap
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> On 2 Sep 2002 at 22:25, Jim Fellows wrote:
>
> > I need a long lens but do not want to spend a how lot of maony.  I want
> > something fairly sharp.  It does not need to be a fast lens as I will be
> > using a tripod.
> >
> > Thanks in advanced for all recommandations.
>
> The Tamron (Adaptall2) 5.6/300 seems to be a good choice for you.
>
>
> Gabor
>


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Re: Interesting article from PIR

2002-09-03 Thread Alin Flaider


   This is just in case someone from Pentax cares to monitor this
   list, otherwise I wouldn't bother any of you with such obvious
   truths: 

from Herbert Kepple's article:

AF> ... With the possibility of
AF> electronic viewfinders, pentaprisms should vanish along with the need for
AF> rapid return mirrors.

   I would certainly *not* buy a camera without an optical, TTL
   viewfinder. Period.

AF> ...
AF> AF> Why no Minolta or Pentax interchangeable lens digital SLRs? Because as good
AF> as Minolta and Pentax lenses are, their lens systems are inadequate in
AF> variety to satisfy the pros and advanced amateurs camera makers see as the
AF> prime customers. The incredible scopes of the Canon and Nikon lens systems
AF> are indeed prime reasons for every electronic camera to use them. Virtually
AF> all present and many past Canon and Nikon lenses plus those from independent
AF> lens makers can and will fit the new breed of digital SLRs.

   I'm neither a pro nor an advanced amateur, at least not judging by
   the size of my investment in Pentax gear. Yet I would consider
   buying a $1000, 8 MPixel, full frame (24x36) sensor. Food for
   thought, Pentax.

AF> ...
AF> coverage. But is such a large sensor really needed at all? Nikon and Canon
AF> have found that their considerably smaller format sensors can produce pro
AF> quality results to six megapixels and probably beyond. In other words,
AF> unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed
AF> higher resolution.

   Given my scientific formation, I am convinced that 4/3 inches and
   smaller sensors lack the resources, both electronic and optical, to
   provide film resolution in the foreseeable future. 
 
   Servus, Alin





Re: Looking for a 300mm cheap

2002-09-03 Thread Sas Gabor


Hi,

On 2 Sep 2002 at 22:25, Jim Fellows wrote:

> I need a long lens but do not want to spend a how lot of maony.  I want
> something fairly sharp.  It does not need to be a fast lens as I will be
> using a tripod.
> 
> Thanks in advanced for all recommandations.

The Tamron (Adaptall2) 5.6/300 seems to be a good choice for you.


Gabor