KX battery drain

[Rodelion]

G'day folks,

Someone here familiar with battery drain on a KX?

I've bought it second hand in good state, and it has functioned wonderfully
for half a year :) Nice Cam!

Now if I put in new batteries, they're dead in a few days, while I do
nothing wrong. Some kind of short-circuit? Any ideas?

I'm on no-mail so you can either e-mail me directly, or I'll read the
replies in the archive.

Thanks and take care!

Rodelion.

Re: Unforgivably OT: Giant gerbils run riot in China

[Ann Sanfedele]

frank theriault wrote:

> Hi, Simon,
>
> I don't get it.
>

PErhaps Simon will explain off list :)
annsan

Re: Unforgivably OT: Giant gerbils run riot in China

[Ann Sanfedele]

Simon King wrote:

> I heard they were going to try and get rid of them by sending in a giant
> Richard Gere...
> :-)
> Simon

And I was SOOO good not mentioning him! tsktsk :)
annsan

>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2003 11:12 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Unforgivably OT: Giant gerbils run riot in China
>
> ...but who could resist a headline like "Giant gerbils run riot in
> China"? ;-)
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3162743.stm
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com

Re: Unforgivably OT: Giant gerbils run riot in China

[Ann Sanfedele]

You are forgiven  - and I couldn't resist :)
annsan

Mark Roberts wrote:

> ...but who could resist a headline like "Giant gerbils run riot in
> China"? ;-)
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3162743.stm
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com

A test -- 'crossed nicols'

[Dr E D F Williams]

If anyone has two circular polarizers I'd be grateful if you would perform a
test. Put one over the other and rotate to see if the field becomes
completely dark when they are crossed. And ... if you also have an ordinary
polarizer try the same experiment using one normal and one circular
polarizer.

Don
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More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

[Lawrence Kwan]

Canon has released its rumoured budget DSLR - Kiss Digital:

http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/kissd/index-j.html

Very similar to 10D, pentamirror instead of prism, smaller buffer, no
ISO 3200. Weighs less, 560g (vs *ist-D's 550g), and cosst less.

Also new is EF-S 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 USM lens designed for Kiss Digital.
"S" stands for short back focus, and this lens cannot be used for 35mm
SLRs.


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Re: *ist-D - ISO settings

[Herb Chong]

zero difficulty if you have a sufficient assortment of neutral density filters. i can 
shoot 10 seconds in bright sunlight with my 10 stop filter using ISO 100 film.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Kathleen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 22:47
Subject: *ist-D - ISO settings


> Does anyone have any feelings about the lowest ISO setting of 200 on this
> camera?  I'm wondering whether it will be difficult to get a correct
> exposure on something like flowing water if you want to get the smooth,
> silky effect.  Maybe I don't understand this part of photography as much as
> I should, but I regularly shoot Velvia 50 or 100 for my nature photos.

Re: FS Prices

[Stan Halpin]

on 8/19/03 4:41 PM, Fred at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Just a comment:  It does seem as if some of the recent FS ads have
> been "going for broke" for prices (so to speak).  While certainly
> not universally true (and I ~do~ mean that), it does seem as if some
> sellers are really hoping to "make a killing" on unloading their
> unwanted Pentax gear here.  Considering that eBay prices and some
> used dealers' prices have been slipping downhill over the past few
> months, it seems especially noticeable when we see FS ads here
> asking for "top dollar".  Well, I guess no one should be criticized
> for trying to make as much profit as they can from the rest of
> us...
> 
> 
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> 

Fred - I don't know whether to say "I resemble that remark" or not.
For what it is worth, my approach to pricing stuff for sale is basically to
try to avoid too much of a loss. I look at what I paid (when I can find it),
think about depreciation with the passage of time, and pick a number. I have
hardly been on eBay for 6 months, have no sense of whats going on there.
After I posted my stuff last week I went to KEH and did a check - all of my
prices are close to or below their "bargain" prices, and all of the
equipment I'm selling is far beyond that level of quality. If anything, I
have probably underpriced most of the equipment.

I would also comment that it really is inappropriate to make this sort of
broad assertion without naming names and giving examples. By coyly saying
that you don't mean every seller but by not naming the exceptions you have,
you wind up painting all sellers with the same brush. I think it would be
much more useful if you addressed particular sellers, or even better
particular lens prices, and instruct us as to why they are "too high" and
what is available elsewhere. Then both buyers and sellers can benefit from
your wisdom. With our approach all are left wondering what you really mean.

Having now finished with being defensive, I'll make a couple of comments
about your general point: are the posted prices of current/recent sellers
too high? I would say no. If they are, the market and the buyers will
decide. I remember a couple of auctions on eBay 3-4 years ago where you were
willing to bid more than me, and you bought some lenses I wanted. On an
M*300 or a A*300 (I don't remember which) you went $100+ higher than I was
willing to. Does that mean that you paid "too much?"  No, it means that the
perceived value of the lens to you was greater than to me. By the same
token, the fact that you see prices today as being "too high" may reflect
your own current perceptions, but may be quite reasonable for someone else.

By analogy, I have been in situations where I bought a new car for $10,000
(made up numbers, for sake of example). I bought it because it was worth
that much to me. So someone down the block buys the same car on eBay
someplace else for $8,000. It really is totally irrelevant to me. It was
worth the price to me, it is still worth the price to me.

A different analogy, closer to home. I bought an MZ-S from my local dealer
for the MSRP, about $975 as I recall. Others at the time were buying from
B&H for $795 or so. Doesn't mean that my dealer was charging "too much", or
that I paid too much, just that I included different elements in my own
"value" equation.

Enough rambling, I need to get back to packaging items I've sold...

Stan

Re: *ist-D - ISO settings

[Ed Tyler]

> Does anyone have any feelings about the lowest ISO setting of 200 on this
> camera?  I'm wondering whether it will be difficult to get a correct
> exposure on something like flowing water if you want to get the smooth,
> silky effect.  Maybe I don't understand this part of photography as much as
> I should, but I regularly shoot Velvia 50 or 100 for my nature photos.
> 
> Kathy L.
> 
> 
I am currently using a D100 which has the same ISO 200 limitation.  It is no
problem to get that silky smooth look.  It has been my observation that the
best of those pictures often come on cloudy days where ISO 200 is definitely
not a problem.  If all else fails you can use a Polarizing or ND filter to
reduce the light and maintain a given F stop for depth of field purposes.

Ed

*ist-D - ISO settings

[Kathleen]

Does anyone have any feelings about the lowest ISO setting of 200 on this
camera?  I'm wondering whether it will be difficult to get a correct
exposure on something like flowing water if you want to get the smooth,
silky effect.  Maybe I don't understand this part of photography as much as
I should, but I regularly shoot Velvia 50 or 100 for my nature photos.

Kathy L.

Re: Macros - (50f2.8 F any opinions?)

[Herb Chong]

i had for about 3 weeks both the A and the FA 50mm f2.8 macro. i never had the F 
version.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "David Weiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "P. List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 22:04
Subject: Re: Macros - (50f2.8 F any opinions?)


> Hey Herb,
> 
> You say when you had both, do you mean the FA and the A or 
> when you had the FA and the F?  

Re: gfm

[T Rittenhouse]

 Funny, the people you meet on the mountain. I too did not know who
he was, but I recognized several of his photos. Besides that Bernie turns
out to be a damn nice guy.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: gfm


> "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Another speaker was Bernie Boston, photographer for the late
> >Washington Star and LA Times covering politics. He was the guy who
> >shot the image at Kent state of the hippie placing a flower in a
> >gaurdsman's rifle. Came in 2nd for the Pulitzer.
>
> Holy #&#%!
> I was hanging around drinking beer with the guy who took that photo?!
> I had no idea!
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
>


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Re: *ist-D photos

[Ed Tyler]

Mark,

The images are great.  I talked to Don, and he, in his gentle and persuasive
manner, he made me feel really bad for not having been on the Mountain.  I
have been reading what I can find about the *istD and believe that Pentax
has an excellent product that they intend to aggressively compete with.
After talking with Don, I believe that we are going to be truly amazed at
just how aggressive Pentax is prepared to be in the digital market.

I am glad that they choose the 2/3rds sensor. The 6 mega pixel cameras have
proven themselves capable of producing finished images that can compete with
film based 35mm images.  Pentax, by taking their time in entering the
Digital SLR market has delivered a much more compact and better designed
camera.  It is my personal opinion that because of the instant feedback
digital cameras offer, the digital photographer has an opportunity to
consistently capture images of higher quality.  The 2/3rds sensor allows and
encourages photographers to lighten their camera bags, 300mm lenses act like
450mm, 400mm lenses act like very expensive and very heavy 600mm lenses.
Other gadgets, like tripods, ball heads, filters, and camera bags can get
smaller and lighter with no loss of quality or function.

The start up knowledge curve for digital cameras is deceptive.  Many of the
choices for camera settings are not intuitive even for an accomplished
photographer.  You make the point when you talk about white balance.
Digital cameras have a habit of correcting that which does not need
correcting.  White in the golden light of morning does not need to be
balanced to pure white.  When the ability to handle "RAW" files arrives with
production cameras you will be able to adjust white balance, saturation,
contrast and other such items in post processing.  This implies that the
user invests the time to learn how to use one of the image processing
software programs, such as Photoshop.


 > Just uploaded 6 shots taken with the *ist-D this past weekend at
> Grandfather Mountain. They're medium resolution JPEGs of moderate
> physical size (horizontally-oriented shots are only 1000 pixels wide).
> No, I'm not going to upload the full 2000 x 3000 pixel images to my web
> site or email them out. I have time/bandwidth limitations!
> 
> Some notes:
> Between the very hazy atmospheric conditions and my unfamiliarity with
> the camera, I got the white balance screwed up. I corrected the shots
> somewhat with FilterSim and Photoshop. I have done levels adjustment and
> a little sharpening (which will have emphasized the noise somewhat).
> 
> The camera was pre-production so final version firmware should be much
> better. I suspect the Powers That Be at Pentax let the rep borrow the
> camera they could most afford to spare - in other words, the earliest,
> buggiest one! Still, I was pretty much blown away by how it well it
> performed and the image quality. Ergonomics are superb for the most
> part. It's really small by film camera standards; tiny by DSLR
> standards. Powers up and comes on line really quickly! I didn't know how
> much the batteries had been used and, having no extras myself, decided
> to be very conservative with power, just to be safe. I turned the camera
> off between shots and turned it on when I wanted to shoot. Came on
> almost as quickly as a film camera.
> 
> Viewfinder is great. Similar to MZ-S. Tom Van Veen said he liked the
> viewfinder a little better than his Canon 10D, which is itself better
> than the Nikon D100. AF is brilliant. Fast and accurate. Easy to choose
> AF points. I didn't try out the FAJ 18-35 lens - I just used my own
> Sigma 300/2.8, K15/3.5 and F100/2.8 macro, along with a borrowed 31mm
> Limited. The camera only meters wide open on the K lens and doesn't stop
> down the diaphragm when shooting. I loosened up the lens on the lens
> mount (not letting it click into place when mounting). This let it
> function as a stop-down diaphragm lens. I'm going to drill an additional
> lock-divot in the lens mount of my 15mm to allow this easily when I get
> my own *ist-D.
> 
> I believe everyone who used the camera was very, very impressed with it.
> Can't think of any complaints other than the metering with K lenses.
> Pentax will probably find that sales are limited only by the rate at
> which Sony can supply them with CCDs. This camera rocks.

Re: Macros - (50f2.8 F any opinions?)

[David Weiss]

HERB SAID:

my limited experience from the time i had both was that the
FA Macro was 
sharper enough to see the difference in the viewfinder. its
manual focusing feel is 
too loose even with the clutch to hold its position well when
pointed downwards. 
the F is worse in this regard.

Herb

Hey Herb,

You say when you had both, do you mean the FA and the A or 
when you had the FA and the F?  

Dave



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Re: Scotland pics up

[Keith Whaley]

I couldn't have said it better, Dan.
Thanks.
And thanks to you, and to Jostein and Mike and Gianfranco... And the
ladies. And the kids!
It all looked like a lot of fun!
May the rest of your lives unfold as those several days did, with joy
and companionship and a great deal of fun!

keith whaley

Dan Scott wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 06:33  AM, Cotty wrote:
> 
> > Scotland as you've never seen it, featuring Jostein, Mike W, Gianfranco
> > and a cast of thousands.
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> > Cheers,
> >   Cotty
> >
> 
> Clearly the major problem with these pages  & pics is the shear
> _number_ of them. When you hit the last photo on that last page you
> suddenly discover you've run out of essay before you've run out of
> interest.
> 
> Very nice work Cotty.
> 
> Dan Scott

Re: Macros - (50f2.8 F any opinions?)

[David Weiss]

Alexander,

Thanks to you and the others for your opinions.  I guess it
is mostly positive.  

I am looking forward to its arrival.

Dave



ALEX Said:

The optical design of the F 50mm macro is isdentical
to that of the FA50mm macro. I have the FA version and
I rate it as a excellent. Macro shots are outstanding
and show extremly fine details. IMO it is noticably
better than the A version which BTW focuses down only
to a magnitude of 1:2 (while the F/FA focuses down to
1:1). 

Manual focusing is quite good (the FA version has a
"clamp" to increase the friction when the lens is used
manually or mounted vertically on a copy stand). The
focusing ring turns about 340° (from 1:1 to infinity)
which is ok. The FA version has a broader focusing
ring than the F version.

Enjoy,
Alexander 



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Re: Scotland pics up

[Dan Scott]

On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 06:33  AM, Cotty wrote:

Scotland as you've never seen it, featuring Jostein, Mike W, Gianfranco
and a cast of thousands.



Cheers,
  Cotty
Clearly the major problem with these pages  & pics is the shear 
_number_ of them. When you hit the last photo on that last page you 
suddenly discover you've run out of essay before you've run out of 
interest.

Very nice work Cotty.

Dan Scott

Re: *ist-D photos

[Ed Tyler]

Digital camera sensors are very unforgiving of blown highlights, they are
however most forgiving of underexposure.  My suspicion after looking at the
pictures is there was possibly more latitude available to you.  It is
amazing what shadow detail can be retrieved from what appears to be a
blocked up shadow.

Ed.

> Pity I didn't have a diffuser or some kind of shade handy as a little
> spot of direct sunlight blew out the highlights of that flower in the
> upper right-hand corner. Still, I think the overall latitude is slightly
> greater than slide film.

>>> Just uploaded 6 shots taken with the *ist-D this past weekend at
>>> Grandfather Mountain. They're medium resolution JPEGs of moderate
>>> physical size (horizontally-oriented shots are only 1000 pixels
>>> wide)...

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> 
> I thought your prices were reasonable if the equipment was as described
> Peter.
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> 
> I'll weigh in on this thread, because it may have been my FS post
> (consciously or subconsciously) that started it.  While many of you may
> not be accustomed to seeing my name show up on the list on a daily
> basis, I have been a subscriber to this list for about 8 years, since it
> was run by the Pentax corporation itself.  I usually lurk, and comment
> on things only when I think I can make a real contribution.  I think the
> last time I made a post might have been when I informed the list about
> the custom tripod collar I had made for my FA 300/4.5, and posted
> pictures of it on photo.net.  But I do read the list and find it (for
> the most part) both entertaining and informative.
> 
> I'm not meaning to take advantage of anybody with my prices.  If you
> think I am, you can either choose not to buy, or tell me they are too
> high by privately offering me what you think they are worth.  Either
> way, I'm quite sure you won't find gear in this condition for the prices
> I am asking.  If you do, tell me and I will reconsider my prices.
> 
> Peter

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I thought your prices were reasonable if the equipment was as described
Peter. 

Cheers

Shaun Canning
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High Street, Broadford, 
Victoria, 3658.

0414-967644
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From: Peter Popp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 8:32 AM
To: pentax-discuss
Subject: Re: FS Prices

I'll weigh in on this thread, because it may have been my FS post
(consciously or subconsciously) that started it.  While many of you may
not be accustomed to seeing my name show up on the list on a daily
basis, I have been a subscriber to this list for about 8 years, since it
was run by the Pentax corporation itself.  I usually lurk, and comment
on things only when I think I can make a real contribution.  I think the
last time I made a post might have been when I informed the list about
the custom tripod collar I had made for my FA 300/4.5, and posted
pictures of it on photo.net.  But I do read the list and find it (for
the most part) both entertaining and informative.

I'm not meaning to take advantage of anybody with my prices.  If you
think I am, you can either choose not to buy, or tell me they are too
high by privately offering me what you think they are worth.  Either
way, I'm quite sure you won't find gear in this condition for the prices
I am asking.  If you do, tell me and I will reconsider my prices.

Peter

RE: gfm

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Another speaker was Bernie Boston, photographer for the late
> >Washington Star and LA Times covering politics. He was the guy who
> >shot the image at Kent state of the hippie placing a flower in a
> >gaurdsman's rifle. Came in 2nd for the Pulitzer.
> 
> Holy #&#%! 
> I was hanging around drinking beer with the guy who took 
> that photo?!
> I had no idea!

Yeah, the funny part is we were all giving him advice...

tv

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I thought your prices were reasonable if the equipment was as described
Peter. 

Cheers

Shaun Canning
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-Original Message-
From: Peter Popp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 8:32 AM
To: pentax-discuss
Subject: Re: FS Prices

I'll weigh in on this thread, because it may have been my FS post
(consciously or subconsciously) that started it.  While many of you may
not be accustomed to seeing my name show up on the list on a daily
basis, I have been a subscriber to this list for about 8 years, since it
was run by the Pentax corporation itself.  I usually lurk, and comment
on things only when I think I can make a real contribution.  I think the
last time I made a post might have been when I informed the list about
the custom tripod collar I had made for my FA 300/4.5, and posted
pictures of it on photo.net.  But I do read the list and find it (for
the most part) both entertaining and informative.

I'm not meaning to take advantage of anybody with my prices.  If you
think I am, you can either choose not to buy, or tell me they are too
high by privately offering me what you think they are worth.  Either
way, I'm quite sure you won't find gear in this condition for the prices
I am asking.  If you do, tell me and I will reconsider my prices.

Peter

Re: gfm

[Mark Roberts]

"tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Another speaker was Bernie Boston, photographer for the late
>Washington Star and LA Times covering politics. He was the guy who
>shot the image at Kent state of the hippie placing a flower in a
>gaurdsman's rifle. Came in 2nd for the Pulitzer.

Holy #&#%! 
I was hanging around drinking beer with the guy who took that photo?!
I had no idea!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: gfm

[Mark Roberts]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>How does one live during the gfm trips.Is it strictly a camping thing,tents etc.

People camp out for the most part but there are hotels in Banner Elk and
Blowing Rock (reasonable driving distance). This past June I camped out
on the mountain ridge near Attic Window Peak one night. It was quite an
adventure. I'm planning on doing it again next year.
 
>> I think everyone is excited about next year's Nature Photography
>> Weekend, it's shaping up to be the PDML World Summit. Pencil in the
>> date: June 4-6, 2004
>> 
>> See you then!
>> 
>> tv
>> 
>> --
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>> www.bigdayphoto.com
>> 301-758-3085
>> 
>> 
>
>   
>

-- 
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Photography and writing
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Re: Unforgivably OT: Giant gerbils run riot in China

[frank theriault]

Hi, Simon,

I don't get it.

Or is that a reference to the South Park episode where they had all the Mega
celebrities?  I remember Mega Barbara Streisand and Mega Robert Smith of The
Spoons.  Was there a Mega Richard Gere?  Or am I way off base?

I hate gerbils, btw.  I hope they kill them all.  16 freaking inches long!
Kill them.  Kill them now!  They're freaking rats with good PR, even the
little ones that kids keep in cages.

cheers,
frank

Simon King wrote:

> I heard they were going to try and get rid of them by sending in a giant
> Richard Gere...
> :-)
> Simon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2003 11:12 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Unforgivably OT: Giant gerbils run riot in China
>
> ...but who could resist a headline like "Giant gerbils run riot in
> China"? ;-)
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3162743.stm
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer

RE: Unforgivably OT: Giant gerbils run riot in China

[Simon King]

I heard they were going to try and get rid of them by sending in a giant
Richard Gere...
:-)
Simon


-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2003 11:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Unforgivably OT: Giant gerbils run riot in China 


...but who could resist a headline like "Giant gerbils run riot in
China"? ;-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3162743.stm


-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

RE: FS Prices

[Shaun Canning]

I thought your prices were reasonable if the equipment was as described
Peter. 

Cheers

Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
High Street, Broadford, 
Victoria, 3658.

0414-967644
www.heritageservices.com.au
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Peter Popp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 8:32 AM
To: pentax-discuss
Subject: Re: FS Prices

I'll weigh in on this thread, because it may have been my FS post
(consciously or subconsciously) that started it.  While many of you may
not be accustomed to seeing my name show up on the list on a daily
basis, I have been a subscriber to this list for about 8 years, since it
was run by the Pentax corporation itself.  I usually lurk, and comment
on things only when I think I can make a real contribution.  I think the
last time I made a post might have been when I informed the list about
the custom tripod collar I had made for my FA 300/4.5, and posted
pictures of it on photo.net.  But I do read the list and find it (for
the most part) both entertaining and informative.

I'm not meaning to take advantage of anybody with my prices.  If you
think I am, you can either choose not to buy, or tell me they are too
high by privately offering me what you think they are worth.  Either
way, I'm quite sure you won't find gear in this condition for the prices
I am asking.  If you do, tell me and I will reconsider my prices.

Peter

Re: FS Prices

[frank theriault]

I didn't mean you, Peter.  I specifically mentioned that in my post (the part where I 
said, "not today").  FWIW, I know you don't post that often, but I certainly recall 
seeing your name here in the past.  Besides, you went out of your way to tell us that 
you're liquidating your 35mm to concentrate on your 645, and even if you're lying and 
are really buying a Canon DSLR system or something, at least you tried to keep us 
happy - you showed sensitivity to the list .

But seriously, a couple of weeks ago, someone came on who I'd never heard of before, 
and tried dumping Pentax gear.  That's who I was referring to, not you.  I couldn't 
forget a name like Peter Popp!  

cheers,
frank

Peter Popp wrote:

> I'll weigh in on this thread, because it may have been my FS post (consciously or 
> subconsciously) that started it.  While many of you may not be accustomed to seeing 
> my name show up on the list on a daily basis, I have been a subscriber to this list 
> for about 8 years, since it was run by the Pentax corporation itself.  I usually 
> lurk, and comment on things only when I think I can make a real contribution.  I 
> think the last time I made a post might have been when I informed the list about the 
> custom tripod collar I had made for my FA 300/4.5, and posted pictures of it on 
> photo.net.  But I do read the list and find it (for the most part) both entertaining 
> and informative.
>
> I'm not meaning to take advantage of anybody with my prices.  If you think I am, you 
> can either choose not to buy, or tell me they are too high by privately offering me 
> what you think they are worth.  Either way, I'm quite sure you won't find gear in 
> this condition for the prices I am asking.  If you do, tell me and I will reconsider 
> my prices.
>
> Peter

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is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer

RE: Great book

[Amita Guha]

> the title is "Inner Game of Outdoor Photography".

A friend of mine who knows nothing about photography gave me this book
for my birthday just because she liked the pictures! I haven't finished
it yet, but what I've read so far is fantastic.

Re: Great book

[Pål Jensen]

I wrote:

> And don't forget his classic "Mountain light" and the "Art of adventure", the latter 
> in the essay form as the "Inner game...". 
> Note, there are two Art of adventure books by Rowell. 

Actually, the "Art of adventure" books is entitled "Galen Rowell's vision: the art of 
adventure..". If you like "inner game" you'll like this one as well.

Pål

Re: Digital Formats and Partial Coverage Lenses

[Pål Jensen]

Tony wrote:

That's hardly surprising, when the Pentax *ist D and Nikon
D100 share the same sensor and much of the same electronics,
including near-identical AF systems.  The deal seems to be
that Nikon get to sell surplus components (the sales of the
D100 are disappointing), Pentax gets a DSLR without
investing a lot of money, 


REPLY:

Interesting assumption but almost certainly wrong. Pentax and Nikon use the same 
sensor, but as sensors are a commodity and in this case made by Sony, it doesn't 
really imply anything except having identical subcontractors for some (probably 
several) parts. The AF system similarities is simply due to the fact that Pentax chief 
engineer for AF systems developed Nikon D2 AF system as well. I don't know if theres 
license agreements involved but thats not unlikely. Theres no reason to assume that 
theres anything Nikon in the Pentax; the common parts are Sony. The AF system of the 
new Nikon D2 is modelled on Pentax SAFOX 8 developed under the leadership of the same 
engineer. 
After all, Pentax *istD and the D100 compete head on with each other ad doesn't make 
any sense for any DSLR manufacturer to give the competition a "cheap camera" to sell. 

Pål 

RE: gfm

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> As Tom said, unless you camp, you miss out on some great 
> fellowship and
> beer drinking at PDML Central (photo here:
> http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=Sh
> owPhoto&Phot
> oID=40 )

You see that blue thing? It's full of beer.

There's also a rumor of some sort of musical performance next year.

tv

RE: gfm

[Bill Owens]

> > How does one live during the gfm trips.Is it strictly a camping
> thing,tents etc.
> >
> > Dave

The NPW is similar to the camera clinic in that there is a free buffet
on Saturday night and a reasonable breakfast buffet on Sunday morning.
The Camera clinic is basically one day, Saturday afternoon through about
noon on Sunday.  The NPW is from Friday afternoon until noonish Sunday.
The NPW fee includes admission to the mountain for 3 days ($12.00 per
adult per day regular price), one roll of slide film including
processing, entry to the contest, and lots of fun with PDML'ers and
others.  The auditorium seats 165 and when 165 folks have registered,
registration is closed.

As Tom said, unless you camp, you miss out on some great fellowship and
beer drinking at PDML Central (photo here:
http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&Phot
oID=40 )

Bill

Re: FS K 85mm f1.8

[Keith Whaley]

Cotty wrote:
> 
> >I regretfully must part with my Pentax K 85mm f1.8. Superb condition - dare
> >I say "minty" ;-) No?
> 
> Minty sucks. D'OH!!!
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty

Ah, well...perhaps it's the only way he can justify asking a 'mint' FOR
it!  

keith whaley
(owner of a new1.25 Ghz Power Mac.) 
(AND a new-to-me minty LX, mind you!  )
(life is grand...)
(cheers all!)

FS: Pentax AF stuff

[Peter Popp]

Hi all - 
I've decided to sell off my Pentax 35 mm gear.  Don't worry - I'm not defecting.  I 
just decided to build up my 645nII system, since I use it far more than my 35mm gear 
these days.  I'm offering the following gear for sale All condition ratings I give 
below are using my experience with the KEH scale.  I'm sure you won't be disappointed. 
 I have the following for sale:

PZ-1p LN- Box, manual, all accessories. $380
PZ-1p EX+ Box, manual, all accessories.  Few light scratches on top. $360
ME Super Black, EX to BGN, Body cap.  Avg. wear, light scratches.  $160
FA 28/2.8 LN- Box, manual both caps. $150
FA 35/2 LN- Box, manual, soft case, hood, both caps. $200
FA 50/1.7 LN- Box, manual, both caps. $110
FA 135/2.8 LN- Box, manual, both caps. $210
FA 300/4.5 LN1- Box, manual, soft case, hood, both caps. $400
Custom Tripod Collar for FA 300/4.5.  $80
Grip Strap Fdp for PZ-1p LN-1 condition, I have 2 of these. $60 each.
25mm Kenko Uniplus Ext. Tube for Pentax AF LN1 Box. $40
50mm Pentax Ext. Tube, aperture coupling, no elec. contacts $30
Teleflash Extender FX-2 for AF500FTZ $25
Cable Switch F 3' $20

All lenses come with a B+W KR1.5 protective filter.  The custom tripod collar for the 
FA 300/4.5 can be seen at

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=004rig

There are two JPEG pictures embedded in the photo.net post.  Cameras and lenses will 
ship for $7 each, a little more for more than one item.  Accessories will ship for $5 
each.  I'll take a check or paypal.  Please e-mail me with any questions.

Peter

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: gfm

[brooksdj]

Thanks Tom.
Sounds like an interesting weekend.I'll put a bug in the SO's ear,for next season.

Dave  
> They will allow free semi-primitive (no 
showers) camping on the site for the
> photography events if you reserve in advance.
> 
> The whole area around Grandfather Mountain is a resort area so there are
> many places around to find lodging within easy driving distance. For the
> Camera Clinic there is a free meal Saturday evening, and an inexpensive
> breakfast buffet on Sunday morning (probably for NPW as well, but I have not
> been to that). If you don't camp on site you miss the fun of hanging out
> with your fellow PDMLers Friday and Saturday night.
> 
> Unfortunately (for the attendees) this year they filled all the seats in the
> auditorium, so even for the Camera Clinic it is now a good idea to
> pre-register, as it has been for the Nature Photo Weekend the past few
> years.
> 
> Ciao,
> Graywolf
> http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: gfm
> 
> 
> > How does one live during the gfm trips.Is it strictly a camping
> thing,tents etc.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > > I think everyone is excited about next year's Nature Photography
> > > Weekend, it's shaping up to be the PDML World Summit. Pencil in the
> > > date: June 4-6, 2004
> > >
> > > See you then!
> > >
> > > tv
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thomas Van Veen Photography
> > > www.bigdayphoto.com
> > > 301-758-3085
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: Views on the F 70-210

[Bill Owens]

-Original Message-
From: Jim Apilado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Views on the F 70-210


It would seem to me that a lot of Pentax users thinking about getting
the *ist or the *ist-D might be on the prowl for Pentax lenses with the
"scarlet letter" A on them.  Maybe Pentax might not sell too many FAJ
lenses when they come out since so many of the older A's seem to be out
there. Right now I am more prone to waiting until a second generation
*ist-D comes out that hopefully will meter with the older K and M
lenses.  If not Pentax maybe Sigma might come out with a digital slr
using K mount lenses.  I know that is pretty farfetch but one can only
dream.

Jim A.

I would guess VERY far fetched since Sigma has their own body and mount
now

Bill

Re: Views on the F 70-210

[Jim Apilado]

It would seem to me that a lot of Pentax users thinking about getting the
*ist or the *ist-D might be on the prowl for Pentax lenses with the "scarlet
letter" A on them.  Maybe Pentax might not sell too many FAJ lenses when
they come out since so many of the older A's seem to be out there.
Right now I am more prone to waiting until a second generation *ist-D comes
out that hopefully will meter with the older K and M lenses.  If not Pentax
maybe Sigma might come out with a digital slr using K mount lenses.  I know
that is pretty farfetch but one can only dream.

Jim A.

> From: Johan Uiterwijk Winkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:24:39 +0200
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Views on the F 70-210
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:17:26 -0400
> 
> Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Talking to myself I am. Not a good sign this is .
>> 
>>> I see. Well, I did not know that. But then I suppose it means that my
>>> soon to arrive F 85/2.8 soft would have A position too. That's way cool.
>> 
>> 
>> I went to Boz's site and saw there that F 85/2.8 soft has no A
>> position. Still, both my cameras have no problem with that anyway...
>> 
> How do you meter with a lens without an A position. ?
> I want to try to get a lens without an A position (because there are a
> lot of good lenses for little money on the second hand market at this
> moment ) and tryed to meter if with my Pentax *ist body. I took a lens
> with an A position and tryed to measure the light with the lens not set
> to A but to 8.0. In the LCD display (in the M mode) no diafragm value
> was displayed and I could only measure the light with full diafragm(it
> seemed i could only measure the light with the full diafragm opening,
> changing the diafragm on the lens did not influence the measured
> exposure time).
> 
> Is this beause i used an A lens or are not A lenses not compatible with
> this body ?
> 
> Thanx.
> 
> Johan.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Views on the F 70-210

[Bill Owens]

With the =ist, a lens must have, and be set on, A

Bill


-Original Message-
From: Johan Uiterwijk Winkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Views on the F 70-210


Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Talking to myself I am. Not a good sign this is .
>
>> I see. Well, I did not know that. But then I suppose it means that my
>> soon to arrive F 85/2.8 soft would have A position too. That's way
cool.
>
>
> I went to Boz's site and saw there that F 85/2.8 soft has no A
> position. Still, both my cameras have no problem with that anyway...
>
How do you meter with a lens without an A position. ?
I want to try to get a lens without an A position (because there are a 
lot of good lenses for little money on the second hand market at this 
moment ) and tryed to meter if with my Pentax *ist body. I took a lens 
with an A position and tryed to measure the light with the lens not set 
to A but to 8.0. In the LCD display (in the M mode) no diafragm value 
was displayed and I could only measure the light with full diafragm(it 
seemed i could only measure the light with the full diafragm opening, 
changing the diafragm on the lens did not influence the measured 
exposure time).

Is this beause i used an A lens or are not A lenses not compatible with 
this body ?

Thanx.

Johan.

Re: new toy

[Patrick Wunsch]

What's the difference between the Macro and the Macro Super that you bought?
May I ask what kind of price range?  Thanks

Pat

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:05 PM
Subject: new toy


> I made it through another round of big events at work so I bought myself a
> gift.  I deserve it, right?
>
> Sigma 70-300MM F4-5.6 APO Macro Super
>
> So far it feels nice.  KEH does it again!  Just like new except no hood
> (supplied with new ones).
> Only thing I don't like so far is the macro mode switch is a little tough.
> Not how I would make it if I was in charge but hey, it's not an expensive
> lens is it?
>
> Cory Waters
> Happily loading the MZ-5n
>
> P.s.  Anyone have the Sigma-supplied hood to sell?
>
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Re: gfm

[Cotty]

>I think everyone is excited about next year's Nature Photography
>Weekend, it's shaping up to be the PDML World Summit. Pencil in the
>date: June 4-6, 2004
>
>See you then!
>
>tv


YO!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: new toy

[Gary L. Murphy]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oh, brother!  Isn't it just like life to let me buy that lens and then tell
me the brakes on my car will be $300?
Yeah, but you got the most important piece. After all, who needs brakes? 
You'll stop as soon as ya hit something!  :-))

--
Later,
Gary

Re: FS K 85mm f1.8

[Cotty]

>I regretfully must part with my Pentax K 85mm f1.8. Superb condition - dare 
>I say "minty" ;-) No?

Minty sucks. D'OH!!!




Cheers,
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Re: gfm

[T Rittenhouse]

He is still a legend there though. One of the cafeteria workers told me
about him and their famous BBQ Sandwiches.

Seems she told TV when he ordered a couple for lunch that they were having
the BBQ on the buffet that evening, his response, was, "Great, two or three
ought to hold me until then".

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Doug, still incredulous that tv didn't appear to break anything
>
>


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Re: new toy

[cbwaters]

Oh, brother!  Isn't it just like life to let me buy that lens and then tell
me the brakes on my car will be $300?

CW

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: new toy


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >kee-ripes man.
> >
> >>Sigma USA will be more than happy to sell you one.. for $26.00
:-(
> >>
>
> Yup, that's what I said. After I heard them tell me the price, I figured
> I really didn't need the hood after all...
>
>
>
> -- 
> Later,
> Gary
>
>


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RE: Macros - (50f2.8 F any opinions?)

[tom]

 -Original Message-
> From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> > The FA was the sharpest lense I owned, I think. Probably the only
> > sharper Pentax that I've had experience with is the 200 macro.
>
> Is that the A* or the FA*, Tom?  I would say that the A* 200/4 Macro
> might be just a tad sharper than the F 50/2.8 Macro, but it's a bit
> of an "apples and oranges" comparison because of the different focal
> lengths.

FA*...I never actually did much *real* macro with the 50, just sort of
close ups and standard 50mm stuff. When I used the 200 it was just
macro, so maybe that was the difference. The slides I took with the
200 are the sharpest I've ever seen.

tv

Re: gfm

[T Rittenhouse]

They will allow free semi-primitive (no showers) camping on the site for the
photography events if you reserve in advance.

The whole area around Grandfather Mountain is a resort area so there are
many places around to find lodging within easy driving distance. For the
Camera Clinic there is a free meal Saturday evening, and an inexpensive
breakfast buffet on Sunday morning (probably for NPW as well, but I have not
been to that). If you don't camp on site you miss the fun of hanging out
with your fellow PDMLers Friday and Saturday night.

Unfortunately (for the attendees) this year they filled all the seats in the
auditorium, so even for the Camera Clinic it is now a good idea to
pre-register, as it has been for the Nature Photo Weekend the past few
years.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: gfm


> How does one live during the gfm trips.Is it strictly a camping
thing,tents etc.
>
> Dave
>
> > I think everyone is excited about next year's Nature Photography
> > Weekend, it's shaping up to be the PDML World Summit. Pencil in the
> > date: June 4-6, 2004
> >
> > See you then!
> >
> > tv
> >
> > --
> > Thomas Van Veen Photography
> > www.bigdayphoto.com
> > 301-758-3085
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


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Re: new toy

[Gary L. Murphy]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

kee-ripes man. 

Sigma USA will be more than happy to sell you one.. for $26.00:-(

Yup, that's what I said. After I heard them tell me the price, I figured 
I really didn't need the hood after all... 



--
Later,
Gary

Re: Macros - (50f2.8 F any opinions?)

[Fred]

Hi, Dave.

>> Does anyone have an opinion of the 50f2.8 F macro?  I noticed
>> from Boz's page that it looks to have the same optics as the
>> FA.  I think the "A" is the one with the reputation for being
>> extremely sharp--how does the "F" compare?

The F 50/2.8 Macro and the FA 50/2.8 Macro appear to be optically
identical to each other (and both to be quite different from the A
50/2.8 Macro).

The F 50/2.8 Macro is an extremely sharp lens.  However, I have
found it annoying to use (focusing manually).  I usually  found the
A 50/2.8 Macro a nicer lens to use, sacrificing a little sharpness
for much better qualities in ~every~ other respect (except for
autofocusing, I guess - ).

>> I just made an impulse by of the "F" and should be handling
>> it by Saturday.  Should've asked first and then bought?  Nah,
>> no fun that way!

No fun.  Join the many of us that jump at an interesting lens and
then ask the PDML what we think about it (often while still waiting
for it to come in the mail) - .

>> Any opinions welcomed.

> The FA was the sharpest lense I owned, I think. Probably the only
> sharper Pentax that I've had experience with is the 200 macro.

Is that the A* or the FA*, Tom?  I would say that the A* 200/4 Macro
might be just a tad sharper than the F 50/2.8 Macro, but it's a bit
of an "apples and oranges" comparison because of the different focal
lengths.

I would also rate the A 100/2.8 Macro (easily my overall favorite -
and most used - macro lens) to be essentially equal to the F 50/2.8
in sharpness (and much more satisfying to use for manual focus).

Fred

Re: new toy

[pcotnoir]

Cory,

I don't have a shade to sell, but I bought a couple replacements direct
from Sigma a few years back. By the way, I love my 70-300 - sharp and
contrasty.

Paul

> I made it through another round of big events at work so I bought myself a
> gift.  I deserve it, right?
>
> Sigma 70-300MM F4-5.6 APO Macro Super
>
> So far it feels nice.  KEH does it again!  Just like new except no hood
> (supplied with new ones).
> Only thing I don't like so far is the macro mode switch is a little tough.
> Not how I would make it if I was in charge but hey, it's not an expensive
> lens is it?
>
> Cory Waters
> Happily loading the MZ-5n
>
> P.s.  Anyone have the Sigma-supplied hood to sell?
>
>
>
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FS: S-M-C Tak 24mm f/3.5, Super-Tak 85mm f/1.9

[Joe Wilensky]

I will have photos of these two lenses available in a week or so, but
here's a heads-up if anyone is interested.
Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 24mm f/3.5 lens. Some exterior wear is
visible, so KEH would probably rate it as bargain, but the glass is
really nice, and it's smooth focusing and beautiful. Includes
original front and rear caps, original lens case, and original
rectangular lens hood and lens hood case. $250. Free shipping in the
continental U.S.
Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 lens. Also some exterior wear visible, but
glass is clean and clear. Similar KEH bargain condition that others
would probably list as EX-. Includes original front and rear caps and
original round hood that reverses over the lens for storage. No lens
case, though. $225. Free shipping in the continental U.S.
Joe

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Re: gfm

[Doug Brewer]

At 01:34 PM 8/19/03, throwing caution to the wind, tom wrote:

Again, it was another fine production, with a good showing of the
PDML. Doug, Bill, Steve, Mark, Graywolf and a few lurkers showed up to
hear some excellent presentations and drink a beer or 12.
Thanks to the folks who organize it every year, and to the Owens for
operating an excellent pub.
BTW, the main speaker was Patrick Schnieder, who got busted recently
for manipulating his images:
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/6537195.htm

He showed a load of his images, which were fantastic, and then spent
an hour talking about his predicament and answering questions. It was
really quite interesting...basically, he was suspended for 3 days from
the Charlotte Observer and had a few awards rescinded for burning in
backgrounds to the point they were black. Most people seemed to think
he was getting screwed.
Another speaker was Bernie Boston, photographer for the late
Washington Star and LA Times covering politics. He was the guy who
shot the image at Kent state of the hippie placing a flower in a
gaurdsman's rifle. Came in 2nd for the Pulitzer.
I think everyone is excited about next year's Nature Photography
Weekend, it's shaping up to be the PDML World Summit. Pencil in the
date: June 4-6, 2004
See you then!

tv
Thanks to Mark for serving as Gate Boy this year. It was great seeing 
everyone again. I'm already looking forward to the NPW. The last two years 
have sold out, so get those reservations made, gang.

Doug, still incredulous that tv didn't appear to break anything

Re: new toy

[cbwaters]

kee-ripes man.
 CW

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: new toy


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >P.s.  Anyone have the Sigma-supplied hood to sell?
> >
> 
> Sigma USA will be more than happy to sell you one.. for $26.00:-(
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Later,
> Gary
> 
> 


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Re: gfm

[brooksdj]

How does one live during the gfm trips.Is it strictly a camping thing,tents etc.

Dave
 
> I think everyone is excited about next year's Nature Photography
> Weekend, it's shaping up to be the PDML World Summit. Pencil in the
> date: June 4-6, 2004
> 
> See you then!
> 
> tv
> 
> --
> Thomas Van Veen Photography
> www.bigdayphoto.com
> 301-758-3085
> 
> 

Re: new toy

[Gary L. Murphy]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

P.s.  Anyone have the Sigma-supplied hood to sell?

Sigma USA will be more than happy to sell you one.. for $26.00:-(



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Later,
Gary

Re: Views on the F 70-210

[Johan Uiterwijk Winkel]

Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

Talking to myself I am. Not a good sign this is .

I see. Well, I did not know that. But then I suppose it means that my 
soon to arrive F 85/2.8 soft would have A position too. That's way cool.


I went to Boz's site and saw there that F 85/2.8 soft has no A 
position. Still, both my cameras have no problem with that anyway...

How do you meter with a lens without an A position. ?
I want to try to get a lens without an A position (because there are a 
lot of good lenses for little money on the second hand market at this 
moment ) and tryed to meter if with my Pentax *ist body. I took a lens 
with an A position and tryed to measure the light with the lens not set 
to A but to 8.0. In the LCD display (in the M mode) no diafragm value 
was displayed and I could only measure the light with full diafragm(it 
seemed i could only measure the light with the full diafragm opening, 
changing the diafragm on the lens did not influence the measured 
exposure time).

Is this beause i used an A lens or are not A lenses not compatible with 
this body ?

Thanx.

Johan.

Re: new toy

[gfen]

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sigma 70-300MM F4-5.6 APO Macro Super

I recevied the Quantaray-branded version of this about two years ago.

Its does its job remarkably well, although when in macro, even stopped 
down to f19 or thereabouts, its still soft. I also don't know if mine was 
the exact, it was a 70-300 f4-5.6 APO Macro, but no "Super."

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new toy

[cbwaters]

I made it through another round of big events at work so I bought myself a
gift.  I deserve it, right?

Sigma 70-300MM F4-5.6 APO Macro Super

So far it feels nice.  KEH does it again!  Just like new except no hood
(supplied with new ones).
Only thing I don't like so far is the macro mode switch is a little tough.
Not how I would make it if I was in charge but hey, it's not an expensive
lens is it?

Cory Waters
Happily loading the MZ-5n

P.s.  Anyone have the Sigma-supplied hood to sell?



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RE: Macros - (50f2.8 F any opinions?)

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: David Weiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone have an opinion of the 50f2.8 F macro?  I noticed
> from Boz's page that it looks to have the same optics as the
> FA.  I think the "A" is the one with the reputation for being
> extremely sharp--how does the "F" compare?
>
> I just made an impulse by of the "F" and should be handling
> it by Saturday.  Should've asked first and then bought?  Nah,
> no fun that way!
>
> Any opinions welcomed.

The FA was the sharpest lense I owned, I think. Probably the only
sharper Pentax that I've had experience with is the 200 macro.

tv

Macros - (50f2.8 F any opinions?)

[David Weiss]

Hi all,

Does anyone have an opinion of the 50f2.8 F macro?  I noticed
from Boz's page that it looks to have the same optics as the
FA.  I think the "A" is the one with the reputation for being
extremely sharp--how does the "F" compare?  

I just made an impulse by of the "F" and should be handling
it by Saturday.  Should've asked first and then bought?  Nah,
no fun that way!

Any opinions welcomed.

Dave




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gfm

[tom]

Again, it was another fine production, with a good showing of the
PDML. Doug, Bill, Steve, Mark, Graywolf and a few lurkers showed up to
hear some excellent presentations and drink a beer or 12.

Thanks to the folks who organize it every year, and to the Owens for
operating an excellent pub.

BTW, the main speaker was Patrick Schnieder, who got busted recently
for manipulating his images:

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/6537195.htm

He showed a load of his images, which were fantastic, and then spent
an hour talking about his predicament and answering questions. It was
really quite interesting...basically, he was suspended for 3 days from
the Charlotte Observer and had a few awards rescinded for burning in
backgrounds to the point they were black. Most people seemed to think
he was getting screwed.

Another speaker was Bernie Boston, photographer for the late
Washington Star and LA Times covering politics. He was the guy who
shot the image at Kent state of the hippie placing a flower in a
gaurdsman's rifle. Came in 2nd for the Pulitzer.

I think everyone is excited about next year's Nature Photography
Weekend, it's shaping up to be the PDML World Summit. Pencil in the
date: June 4-6, 2004

See you then!

tv

--
Thomas Van Veen Photography
www.bigdayphoto.com
301-758-3085

Re: Views on the F 70-210

[Pentxuser]

Is there really much difference between the F70-210 and the FA 70-200...vic 

RE: shooting the moon part II

[Robert A. Kelly]

I read somewhere that the formula for calculating maximum exposure time 
for shooting the moon is 250/ lens focal length = maximun speed in 
seconds. So if shooting with a  50mm lens would give a maximum exposure 
time of 5 seconds and a 500 mm lens would have a maximum exposure time 
of 1/2 or .5 second.  Shooting the moon with your 400 mm lens you 
should expose for no longer than .625 seconds, if you use a longer 
exposure time the movement of the moon will be apparent.

Cheers,
Bob

Re: OT:anyone made there own carriers

[brooksdj]

What type of card board Bill.Like the thin stuff that might be used in seperating
materials in a 
box,along that line.I think i have some thin stuff that is white smooth on one side and
greyish and a bit 
rougher on the other.
The smooth side should be good enough you say then.
I see what you mean about the felt atracting dust etc.
Thats why your in Saskatchewan and im stuck in Ontario.

Dave

> - Original Message - 
> From:
> 
> Subject: OT:anyone made there own carriers
> 
> 
> ..If you have made your own carriers,what if any,liners did you
> > use.
> 
> I have made my own carriers. I used ordinary thin cardboard with no lining,
> on the theory that the card stock was soft enough, and any fabric I put in
> might catch dust and cause scratches.
> 
> William Robb
> 

Unforgivably OT: Giant gerbils run riot in China

[Mark Roberts]

...but who could resist a headline like "Giant gerbils run riot in
China"? ;-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3162743.stm


-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Views on the F 70-210

[Bruce Dayton]

Boris,

The Soft lenses are unique in that they aren't open aperture viewing
until you dial to the end of the soft effect (about f8).  This gives
you the ability to see the softening effect and to be able to focus
well by stopping down.  They function properly on *ist and *ist D.
Once you get the lens, you will see what I mean.


Bruce



Tuesday, August 19, 2003, 2:14:09 AM, you wrote:

BL> Hi!

BL> Talking to myself I am. Not a good sign this is .

>>I see. Well, I did not know that. But then I suppose it means that my 
>>soon to arrive F 85/2.8 soft would have A position too. That's way 
>>cool.

BL> I went to Boz's site and saw there that F 85/2.8 soft has no A 
BL> position. Still, both my cameras have no problem with that anyway...

BL> 

BL> Boris

BL> P.S. When I am posting from work, I am using rambler's web interface. 
BL> Apparently, it seems to be adding to each outgoing message some kind 
BL> of promotion after my signature. It is in Russian and please ignore 
BL> it. I apologize for any inconvenience.

BL> _
BL> Супер ДЖИНC!!! Сроки действия больше не действуют. http://www.jeans.mts.ru

FS K 85mm f1.8

[wendy beard]

Hi All,
Was going to list this last Friday, but lack of power in Ontario put a stop 
to that. Am away this friday so doing it now.

I regretfully must part with my Pentax K 85mm f1.8. Superb condition - dare 
I say "minty" ;-) No? Well, it's absolutely pristine all over. A beaut.
http://www.beard-redfern.com/K85/

$US 450 or $CDN 625 plus whatever postage to wherever.

Wendy Beard,
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com

Re: Views on the F 70-210

[Mark Roberts]

"Robert & Leigh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Two shortcomings: 
>1) Sloppy MF feel.
>2) Filter ring rotates making use of a circular polarizer challenging.

I'll add a third shortcoming: Slow AF.

But it's still an amazingly good lens. I'd say almost the equal of the
legendary FA*80-200/2.8 and I've owned both.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: *ist-D photos

[Mark Roberts]

I've moved the sample photos:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp.htm

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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: *ist-D photos

[Mark Roberts]

Cameron Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>That 31mm limited shot is just friggin amazing!

Pity I didn't have a diffuser or some kind of shade handy as a little
spot of direct sunlight blew out the highlights of that flower in the
upper right-hand corner. Still, I think the overall latitude is slightly
greater than slide film.


>On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 12:51  PM, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:15:47 -0400
>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: *ist-D photos
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>>
>> Just uploaded 6 shots taken with the *ist-D this past weekend at
>> Grandfather Mountain. They're medium resolution JPEGs of moderate
>> physical size (horizontally-oriented shots are only 1000 pixels 
>> wide)...

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Views on the F 70-210

[Joe Wilensky]

I really like my F 70-210 -- it feels a bit better constructed than 
most of the FA lenses and it does perform very well. Very nice 
handling on a PZ-1/PZ-1p. I haven't tried it on smaller bodies.

The FA lenses have the encoded MTF data (tells PZ and later cameras 
the lens' optimal quality aperture if you select that exposure mode) 
and also tell the camera what distance the lens is focused at, which 
can enhance the camera's multi-segment metering decisions and program 
mode choices. The F zoom lenses do communicate what focal length 
they're set to, though, which is useful for shutter speed selection 
in program mode, among other things.

Joe



 > Still, I am curious - what is the difference then between F and FA
 lenses? Something to do with the way FA lenses "talk" to the camera
 body?
Not a clue, sorry.

 I am sorry I am taking this subject off-track, but I hope noone is
 offended.
Gads, with the amount of off topic on this list, it's refresshing to have a
camera related discussion...
William Robb

Re: OT:anyone made there own carriers

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From:

Subject: OT:anyone made there own carriers


.If you have made your own carriers,what if any,liners did you
> use.

I have made my own carriers. I used ordinary thin cardboard with no lining,
on the theory that the card stock was soft enough, and any fabric I put in
might catch dust and cause scratches.

William Robb

Re: Views on the F 70-210

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman"
Subject: Re: Views on the F 70-210


> Hi!
>
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:24:25 -0600
>   "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Any post M series lens has the A position. This includes A series, F
> >series and FA series lenses.
> >
> >William Robb
>
> I see. Well, I did not know that. But then I suppose it means that my
> soon to arrive F 85/2.8 soft would have A position too. That's way
> cool.

Woops, I keep forgetting about that one. They left the A setting off of it,
I presume because the performance changes so radically depending on aperture
they didn't want it working in program mode or shutter preferred auto.

>
> Still, I am curious - what is the difference then between F and FA
> lenses? Something to do with the way FA lenses "talk" to the camera
> body?

Not a clue, sorry.

>
> I am sorry I am taking this subject off-track, but I hope noone is
> offended.

Gads, with the amount of off topic on this list, it's refresshing to have a
camera related discussion...

William Robb

Re: *ist-D photos

[Mark Cassino]

At 11:15 AM 8/18/2003 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:

Just uploaded 6 shots taken with the *ist-D this past weekend at
Grandfather Mountain.
Thanks for the samples and the hands on reviews - and thanks to Steve, 
Graywolf, and everyone else.  Looks a the *ist-D is gonna be a real winner!

- MCC

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