WAY OT: CNet

2003-11-01 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Hi all,

I downloaded a free program via 'CNet' yesterday and what happened? The
operation resulted in more than 25 'dataminers' and smart cookies. It took
me considerable time to get rid of it all. I had to edit the registry by
hand before I could clean out the last files. Most of the nasties were
associated with CNet's download manager - 'Kontiki' - which was installed at
the same time. CNet, I thought until now, was a reputable bunch. Beware of
Kontiki.

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Re: Anybody shooting auroras?

2003-11-01 Thread David Mann
Stephen Moore wrote:

> With the recent solar flares and CMEs, have any of you
> Pentaxians had your cameras poited skyward?

I wish - I've always wanted to see an aurora.  The weather was cloudy 
across the whole country last week.

Cheers,

- Dave

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Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-11-01 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 00:13:42 -0500 (EST), John Francis wrote:

> Ah, but the HP PhotoPrinters also have multiple levels of intensity;
> they can deposit different amounts of ink at each possible position.
> The original PhotoSmart printer was a true 300 ppi printer, without
> having to dither.  The current crop really are 1200 ppi (and in fact
> they use 1200 x 4800 subpixel dither for even finer level control).

Then I'll have to take a CD of images over to CompUseless and give them
a try.

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Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-11-01 Thread John Francis
> 
> as i noted in my previous message, the printer driver works at a given
> maximum resolution that is not the dpi resolution of the printer but a
> submultiple. in the case of the Epson printer drivers, it is fixed at 360
> dpi. anymore more is wasted. the Canon and HP ones probably are 300 dpi, but
> that is a guess.

No - the HP is, as I stated, 600 ppi *input resolution* in normal mode,
1200 ppi in best-quality.  You only get any benefit from best quality
if you feed it a 1200 ppi image.



Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-11-01 Thread John Francis
> 
> On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 22:38:34 -0500 (EST), John Francis wrote:
> 
> > My current HP is 600 dpi in normal mode, 1200 dpi in best quality.
> 
> A printer dot (in dpi) is not equal to an image pixel (in ppi).  A
> printer dithers a pixel across many dots to get a good approximation of
> the color of a pixel.  The HP printer is resampling the image to,
> probably, 300 ppi, then dithering that into a 600 dpi or 1200 dpi
> pattern.

Ah, but the HP PhotoPrinters also have multiple levels of intensity;
they can deposit different amounts of ink at each possible position.
The original PhotoSmart printer was a true 300 ppi printer, without
having to dither.  The current crop really are 1200 ppi (and in fact
they use 1200 x 4800 subpixel dither for even finer level control).



Re: MZ-S question

2003-11-01 Thread Alan Chan
Fully, and probably the last.

Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Does the MZ-S support k mount lenses fully or
is it similar to the istD in that regard?
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Re: Enablement!

2003-11-01 Thread Stan Halpin
on 11/01/03 10:31 PM, frank theriault at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I haven't seen my original post yet, either...  
> 
> BUT I DON'T CARE, BECAUSE I HAVE A FREAKING LX!!!
> 
> -frank
> 

Way to go Frank! You will enjoy it.

Stan



Re: PUG PUN Award

2003-11-01 Thread frank theriault
You know, Dan,

I sent the initial post this morning.

And that damn song has been in my head all day, all because of you!  Over 
and over:  "You ought to be in pictures..."  It's still there!

That ~is~ punishment.  Remind me never to get on your bad side...  

cheers,
frank
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Re: OT - I'm back, Suckers!

2003-11-01 Thread frank theriault
Hi, again, Lukasz,

Well, as you now know I bought an LX.

And, you're right, I was broke.  And, in fact, I'm still broke.  I paid for 
the LX by cheque;  just wait until Vic tries to cash it.  Hee hee hee...

But, seriously, yeah, this summer I was having serious cash flow problems.  
Two things changed a little bit.  First, over the last few weeks we've 
gotten a little busier at work (it may be only temporary, but it's meant two 
1/2 decent paycheques).  Plus, I changed residences last month, and that 
saves me quite a bit of rent each month.  Those two situations combined to 
allow me this purchase.

Besides, when you hear of something you really want, you figure out a way, 
right?I mean, this is the first body I've bought in well over a 
year.  I've been a very reasonable boy...

And, your joke is in no way offensive.  I'd have sold a kidney for it, but I 
only have one left, and I need that one.  I already sold the first one to 
pay for my Leica...

cheers,
frank
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From: "Lukasz Kacperczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Stop teasing us! BTW - have you sold one of your kidneys to get the money
for the enablement (you said you were broke)? 
Regards,
Lukasz
PS. Hope the joke wasn't in bad taste (at least not "too bad" for you).

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Re: Enablement!

2003-11-01 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

CongratuLXations or is it CongratuLXationen?

Anyway, "Use the LX, Frank"...


F-friendly

Boris



Re: Enablement!

2003-11-01 Thread frank theriault
Don't worry about it, Lukasz,

I haven't seen my original post yet, either...  

BUT I DON'T CARE, BECAUSE I HAVE A FREAKING LX!!!

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Lukasz Kacperczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I wonder why I haven't received Frank's original post yet. Somebody up 
there
likes me 

Er... I mean, congratulations, Frank.

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Re: MZ-S question

2003-11-01 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:15:21 -0500, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Does the MZ-S support k mount lenses fully or
> is it similar to the istD in that regard?

Supports them fully, as far as I can tell.  Well, you don't get matrix
metering (it uses center-weighted with pre-A lenses, I think), but I
think that's the only restriction.

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MZ-S question

2003-11-01 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Does the MZ-S support k mount lenses fully or
is it similar to the istD in that regard?
JCO


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RE: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread Ramesh Kumar
Hope I had the samething when I am behind the
camera

Thanks
Ramesh
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> From: Ramesh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PUG "November" is open
> 
> 
> My favourites are
> http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/dreamypug.html
> http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/kikipug.html
> http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/d4.html
> http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/bug_600.html
> http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/nupsstad.html
> http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/stairpug.html
> http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/e0002pug.html
> http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/father.html
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-11-01 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 22:38:34 -0500 (EST), John Francis wrote:

> My current HP is 600 dpi in normal mode, 1200 dpi in best quality.

A printer dot (in dpi) is not equal to an image pixel (in ppi).  A
printer dithers a pixel across many dots to get a good approximation of
the color of a pixel.  The HP printer is resampling the image to,
probably, 300 ppi, then dithering that into a 600 dpi or 1200 dpi
pattern.

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Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-11-01 Thread Herb Chong
as i noted in my previous message, the printer driver works at a given
maximum resolution that is not the dpi resolution of the printer but a
submultiple. in the case of the Epson printer drivers, it is fixed at 360
dpi. anymore more is wasted. the Canon and HP ones probably are 300 dpi, but
that is a guess. the Epson information is in the developer's documents for
the binary data stream sent to the printer.

Herb...
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Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)


> With the current generation of printers, it's getting pretty hard
> to have an image that's higher-resolution than the printer!
>
> My current HP is 600 dpi in normal mode, 1200 dpi in best quality.
> Even on 8.5x11 paper at 600 dpi that's 30+ megapixels - more than
> a 4000ppi scan can get from a 35mm frame.




Re: PUG PUN Award

2003-11-01 Thread Dan Matyola
I enjoy inflicting pun-ishment on my friends!

frank theriault wrote:

Hi,

Well, I haven't looked at the whole gallery yet, but even at this
preliminary stage, I must give the above award to Dan, for "You Otter be in
Pictures".
Ouch.  That one really hurt, Dan!  

The piccie was good, too...

cheers,
frank
PS:  hopefully "real" critiques to follow later in the weekend.
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Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-11-01 Thread John Francis
> 
> if you are above then it just wastes processing.

With the current generation of printers, it's getting pretty hard
to have an image that's higher-resolution than the printer!

My current HP is 600 dpi in normal mode, 1200 dpi in best quality.
Even on 8.5x11 paper at 600 dpi that's 30+ megapixels - more than
a 4000ppi scan can get from a 35mm frame.

An 11x17 print at 1200 dpi would need an incredible 250 megapixels.
I'm not sure even a 6x7 frame can deliver that amount of real data.
So either there are a lot of large-format users out there, or the
printer is no longer the resolution-limiting step in the process.



Re: More *ist-D images

2003-11-01 Thread John Francis

Agreed.  But if you've got time to take incident light readings,
or to spotmeter and assign that vaue to a specific zone, then you
probably have time to pop off a test shot and take a look at both
the histogram and the exposure.

As someone here pointed out, a dgital camera is by far the best
lightmeter you're likely to get your hands on.  Given that, it
seems seems slightly ridiculous to argue the merits of one form
of auto-exposure metering over another.  Each have strengths;
each have weaknesses.  Better by far to learn when to rely on
the camera, and when you need to override it.


> Except in many situations you can't repeat the shot.  My PUG entry this
> month is a prime example.
> 
> Bill
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: More *ist-D images
> 
> 
> > >
> > > I wonder whether multi-segment metering should be used
> > > in constrasty situations with the starkistdee.
> >
> > Use the histogram if you're in doubt; it's a far better
> > exposure guide than *anything* that converts everything
> > to a single number without knowing your intentions.
> >
> > That's a great thing about digital cameras; you can
> > take a test exposure, and it's immediately available
> > for review.
> >
> >
> 
> 



Re: more notes on PhotoPlus

2003-11-01 Thread Herb Chong
i noticed with my *istD images something really annoying that i had
forgotten to check on images that others have uploaded. the JPEG files have
an internal resolution of 72dpi. i was so happy that Nikon changed to 300dpi
embedded resolution. that means i have to remember to change all the images
i get out of the camera to 300dpi.

 the bundled FAJ 18-35 might be a bottom feeder lens, but it is good enough
for the *istD to produce decent results. i compared two of the images i
took, one at at ISO 200 and one at ISO 800, and i can see leaving it in ISO
800 for a lot of situations.

Herb
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Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:21 PM
Subject: more notes on PhotoPlus


> I went back there today with Nate, and we met up with Herb at - where
> else - the Pentax booth. I learned even more today. This time I tried
> the Canon Powershot S50, which isn't quite as advanced as the G5, but
> the user interface is much more inuitive IMO. I'd figured out how to
> change all the settings  and modes in under 5 minutes. Again, where is
> Pentax in this arena?
>
> I also found some great tripods, ballheads, and bags. A very informative
> show all in all.
>
>




Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-11-01 Thread Herb Chong
if you are above then it just wastes processing. if below, you are not
pushing the limits of the printer.

Herb...
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Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)


> "'the optimum pixel resolution [of the printed image] should ideally be
> the printer dpi divisible by a whole number. The following pixel
> resolutions should be used [for a 1440/2880 printer] : 144, 160, 180,
> 240, 288, 320, 360.'"
>
> So what are the consequences of simply ignoring this? I have never
> applied this rule and the 8-1/2 x 11 inch (A4) prints I get off my Epson
> 870 are, to my eyes, excellent.




Re: Sears branded 135mm f2.8 lens

2003-11-01 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.
Sorry, I didn't check e-Bay.  But do you have to shout?

Maris

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> WRONG THEY ARE ON EBAY ALL THE TIME FOR LESS THAN $100.
> DO A COMPLETED AUCTION SEARCH.
> JCO
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> -Original Message-
> From: Maris V. Lidaka Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 3:44 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Sears branded 135mm f2.8 lens
>
>
> $300 and up, new or used per B&H and Adorama.  I could pick this one
> up for under $50.
>
> Maris
>
> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>> why waste your money, original Pentax 135mm lenses are cheap and
>> excellent. jco
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: Maris V. Lidaka Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:27 PM
>> To: Pentax Discuss
>> Subject: Sears branded 135mm f2.8 lens
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with a Sears branded lens with Pentax mount, and
>> it has Korea on it as well - 135mm f2.8, with "KR" on the aperture
>> ring.  Who makes it, and is it any good?
>>
>> Maris




Re: Enablement!

2003-11-01 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
> Congratulations Frank. The LX is still my all time favorite camera and
> my most used 35. I'm sure you'll en joy it.

I wonder why I haven't received Frank's original post yet. Somebody up there
likes me 

Er... I mean, congratulations, Frank.

Regards,
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Re: Enablement!

2003-11-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
Congratulations Frank. The LX is still my all time favorite camera and
my most used 35. I'm sure you'll en joy it.

frank theriault wrote:
> 
> So, today I got me an LX.
> 
> Bought it from Vic MacBournie, who I met for the first time.  Real nice guy;
>   we sat down for a few beers to chat about life in general, and cameras in
> particular.
> 
> He threw in a couple of extra goodies, but basically I got the LX, with two
> screens (grid and split screen), and the small grip.
> 
> Unfortunately, it only has the standard leatherette (I was hoping for
> snakeskin).  Other than that, it's a beauty!  I fear that my MX may get a
> bit of a rest whilst I play with my new toy.So far, I haven't
> stopped smiling since I got it.
> 
> Except for when I discovered that my Vivitar S1 24-48 broke.  Vic was
> looking at it, and said, "Hey, the aperture won't work."  And, he was right.
>   Likely oil on the blades.  Same thing happened last year, so I guess it's
> off to the shop.  Too bad, as it's become one of my favourite lenses.
> 
> But, it still can't dampen my spirits on this day.  Ah, the joy of it...
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Re: Enablement!

2003-11-01 Thread brooksdj
Well i quess we can let both cats out of the bag now eh Frank.
Glad to hear your happy with the LX.I'm sure you'll give it its test.lol

I too met up with Vic,prior to Franks meeting and took a lovely PZ-1 off his hands.I'v
been wanting one 
for years. 
Managed 2-3 frames before the rain hit at the farm,but hopefully more Sunday.

Hey Frank.I;ll show you mine,if you show me yours.
TOPDML soon then.

Dave   
BTW i'll second Vic's a nice guy.:-)

> So, today I got me an LX.
> 
> Bought it from Vic MacBournie, who I met for the first time.  Real nice guy; 
>   we sat down for a few beers to chat about life in general, and cameras in 
> particular.
> 
> He threw in a couple of extra goodies, but basically I got the LX, with two 
> screens (grid and split screen), and the small grip.
> 
> Unfortunately, it only has the standard leatherette (I was hoping for 
> snakeskin).  Other than that, it's a beauty!  I fear that my MX may get a 
> bit of a rest whilst I play with my new toy.So far, I haven't 
> stopped smiling since I got it.
> 
> Except for when I discovered that my Vivitar S1 24-48 broke.  Vic was 
> looking at it, and said, "Hey, the aperture won't work."  And, he was right. 
>   Likely oil on the blades.  Same thing happened last year, so I guess it's 
> off to the shop.  Too bad, as it's become one of my favourite lenses.
> 
> But, it still can't dampen my spirits on this day.  Ah, the joy of it...
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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anyone use Giotto ballheads?

2003-11-01 Thread Amita Guha
I got to play with some ballheads with knobs today, and I really liked
them more than the lever-operated ballheads. I was wondering if anyone
has anything good or bad to say about the Giotto ballheads? Giotto seems
to have some of the more affordable heads of this type.

Amita



more notes on PhotoPlus

2003-11-01 Thread Amita Guha
I went back there today with Nate, and we met up with Herb at - where
else - the Pentax booth. I learned even more today. This time I tried
the Canon Powershot S50, which isn't quite as advanced as the G5, but
the user interface is much more inuitive IMO. I'd figured out how to
change all the settings  and modes in under 5 minutes. Again, where is
Pentax in this arena?  

I also found some great tripods, ballheads, and bags. A very informative
show all in all.



RE: I have seen the istD...

2003-11-01 Thread Amita Guha
> Isn't there a Panasonic digital rangefinder coming that takes 
> Leica M lenses?

I know Panasonic and Leica have a partnership to produce digicams with
Leica glass. These include the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1, the Leica D-Lux,
and the Panasonic DMC-F7.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/fz1.html

http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/4505-6501_16-30421882.html



RE: PUG

2003-11-01 Thread Amita Guha
> " Second Honeymoon " - Amita

Thanks, Tom! :)



Enablement!

2003-11-01 Thread frank theriault
So, today I got me an LX.

Bought it from Vic MacBournie, who I met for the first time.  Real nice guy; 
 we sat down for a few beers to chat about life in general, and cameras in 
particular.

He threw in a couple of extra goodies, but basically I got the LX, with two 
screens (grid and split screen), and the small grip.

Unfortunately, it only has the standard leatherette (I was hoping for 
snakeskin).  Other than that, it's a beauty!  I fear that my MX may get a 
bit of a rest whilst I play with my new toy.So far, I haven't 
stopped smiling since I got it.

Except for when I discovered that my Vivitar S1 24-48 broke.  Vic was 
looking at it, and said, "Hey, the aperture won't work."  And, he was right. 
 Likely oil on the blades.  Same thing happened last year, so I guess it's 
off to the shop.  Too bad, as it's become one of my favourite lenses.

But, it still can't dampen my spirits on this day.  Ah, the joy of it...

cheers,
frank
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fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Re: Sears branded 135mm f2.8 lens

2003-11-01 Thread Chris Brogden

I have a Pentax M135/3.5 you can have for $60.00 plus shipping if you
want.  There's moderate cosmetic wear but the glass is good.  Let me know
off-list if you're interested.

chris



On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Maris V. Lidaka Sr. wrote:

> $300 and up, new or used per B&H and Adorama.  I could pick this one up for
> under $50.
>
> Maris
>
> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> > why waste your money, original Pentax 135mm lenses are cheap and
> > excellent. jco
> >
> > --
> --
> >J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com
> > --
> --
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Maris V. Lidaka Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:27 PM
> > To: Pentax Discuss
> > Subject: Sears branded 135mm f2.8 lens
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with a Sears branded lens with Pentax mount, and
> > it has Korea on it as well - 135mm f2.8, with "KR" on the aperture
> > ring.  Who makes it, and is it any good?
> >
> > Maris
>
>



Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: more pictures

2003-11-01 Thread Dario Bonazza 2
More sample pictures here:

http://www.dariobonazza.com/t04p7e.htm

Dario Bonazza



Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: same pictures in same conditions

2003-11-01 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Jostein wrote:

> I have been out shooting some autumn landscapes today, with plenty of
> vegetation detail. All my images are in PEF, so I will definately look for
> sawteeth. I shot most of my images with the FA*28-70/2.8, btw.

That is such a good walking about lens, despite its size.  I must take
out a good life insurance on Cath.

mike



Re: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >That's the page I've been getting but there's nothing that actually
> opens the gallery on it for me.  Strange.
> 
> I had to go directly to the November page, the main page was still Oct. for
> me.

Probably just local caches not updated yet.

m



RE: Anyone want to buy a film fridge?

2003-11-01 Thread Paul Ewins
For the Jobo, figure about 10% of the list price. About the only thing
that is holding value is the Expert drums which seem to go for 50% of
new price. Too bad that they are the one thing I still want to buy.

That's just my experience in buying them. I bought a CPP with print
drums and no lift for AUD$400 last year, and last month I bought one
with lift, 4 film drums, about 8 35/120 reels and 3 4x5 reels for $400.
That's less than the cost of a new lift kit. Now I've just got to
offload the one without the lift.


Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia

-Original Message-
From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
And I hate to even think about the hit I'm going to take on the Jobo
processor and Phillips enlarger :-(






Re: Sears branded 135mm f2.8 lens

2003-11-01 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
I contacted Sears a couple of years ago.
They don't have those records any longer.
Collin

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:26:47 -0600
From: "Maris V. Lidaka Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is anyone familiar with a Sears branded lens with Pentax mount, and it has
Korea on it as well - 135mm f2.8, with "KR" on the aperture ring.  Who makes
it, and is it any good?
Maris




Re: *istD Hot-shoe

2003-11-01 Thread Jostein
Hi, Peter
It used to be the other way around with Pentax and flashes. The new, digital
flashes can damage older TTL-houses (eg. AF500FTZ on LX), but not the other
way around. I have used my old AF400T on both MZ-S and 645NII, but not yet
on the *istD. It puzzles me a bit that the manual doesn't mention flash
compatibility.

Cheers,
jostein
-
Pictures at: http://oksne.net
-
- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Hillerström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:31 PM
Subject: *istD Hot-shoe


> Hi
>
> I have an *istD but I doesn't have a modern external flash like 360FGZ.
> In my older Praktica equipment I have a Starblitz 2500 BTZ flash. I
> would like to use it for now until I buy another. Is it safe to use it
> on my *istD? Does anyone know how much voltage the hot-shoe on the *istD
> can handle?
>
> /Peter
>



Re: Sears branded 135mm f2.8 lens

2003-11-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
I sold a 135-M 3.5 for $60. It's a great lens, and it's widely available
at that price.I've never seen a 135 3.5 go for more than $100. Even a
mint K 135/2.5 can be had for around $150 to $200.
Paul

"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote:
> 
> $300 and up, new or used per B&H and Adorama.  I could pick this one up for
> under $50.
> 
> Maris
> 
> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> > why waste your money, original Pentax 135mm lenses are cheap and
> > excellent. jco
> >
> > --
> --
> >J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com
> > --
> --
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Maris V. Lidaka Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:27 PM
> > To: Pentax Discuss
> > Subject: Sears branded 135mm f2.8 lens
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with a Sears branded lens with Pentax mount, and
> > it has Korea on it as well - 135mm f2.8, with "KR" on the aperture
> > ring.  Who makes it, and is it any good?
> >
> > Maris



Re: slide exposure

2003-11-01 Thread edwin
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Chris Brogden wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Sort of Tri-X like in the toe and T-max like at the top...
> 
> 
> What's the deal with this?  Is one more forgiving of under-exposure than
> the other?

Yep, basically.  Specifically, T-Max is contrastier at low levels of 
exposure (the "toe" of the film response curve) than Tri-X.  This means 
that you get better tonal separation in dark tones but it is easier to 
underexpose to the point where you get nothing at all recorded on the 
film.

For those of you who haven't seen published film curves, they look 
something like this:


exposure 1/
 /
/   
   / 
 0/
  film density
  0  1  

The curve for Tri-X is flatter at the ends than that for T-Max, meaning 
that there is less change in the density of the film at increasingly high
and low levels of light.  This makes Tri-X more forgiving of under and 
over-exposure than T-max, but also a little muddy and flat looking.

After more than a decade of using T-max 400 film for journalism (because 
it pushes better, has finer grain, and is in general contrastier than
Tri-X) I am rediscovering the subtle, "old-fashioned" tonality of more traditional 
films in the form of Ilford Pan-F.   

DJE




Re: November 2003 PUG - my fovourities

2003-11-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks for taking the time to comment on the PUG. I appreciate or
efforts, and I'm sure others do as well.
Best,
Paul Stenquist

Maciej Marchlewski wrote:
> 
> Having a holiday today here in Poland I found some time to browse through
> this month gallery. As other said it - many very good photos. I'm not going
> to comment on all as I lack skills and time to do so, but wil mention some
> that grabbed my attention most when browsing.
> 
> "Australasian Harrier" by  Max McRae
> - a professional shot - pin sharp when it has to be, blurred elsewhere. Very
> nice colours. And the fact of being taken in the zoo can't be seen in the
> photo which I like. Very nice opening to the gallery.
> 
> "Face to face" by  Jan van Wijk
> - very well cought but showing nice composition as well
> 
> "For Those Who Hate Cats - a Double Dose" by  Lon Williamson
> - if you wanted to get on those cat haters' nerves you probably have done
> the best. Everything is so cute in this photo that it must work the way you
> planned
> 
> "Dreamy Autumn Afternoon" by  Kathleen Leickly
> - that's a very well used photo manipulation technique
> 
> "Blue" by  Dag Thrane
> - that background is very nicely placed but the photo has much more to it
> which I just can't name. I just like it.
> 
> "Luminous" by  Graham Lyth
> - that is very graphical photo and a very nice one. I guess you made a great
> use of this place. Don't know how I would feel with with sand in my lens for
> 18 months but the result is worth it.
> 
> "Nupsstadur" by  Thrainn Vigfusson
> - great, bold colours, the contrast between the stormy sky and bright car is
> very pleasing.
> 
> "Parallel Spiral" by  BigButt
> - great juxtaposition, seems almoust like two photos merged together.
> 
> "My Chevy" by  Paul Stenquist
> - another professional photo. Nice car, very nicely placed.
> 
> "Water And Air" by  Wessel Sijl
> - great atmosphere!
> 
> "Scale" by  Simon King
> - a great sense of scale is here for sure, as well as nice tonality.
> 
> "I Laugh in the Face of Danger!" by  Catherine Wilson
> - I just like it. Great kids portrait.
> 
> "Father" by  Sandor Lueff
> - a portrait that tells something about the person. Too bad it's more pentax
> and less father but I like it anyway.
> 
> There are also many great photos beside those.
> 
> Cheers, Maciej



Re: Anyone want to buy a film fridge?

2003-11-01 Thread Bill Owens
And I hate to even think about the hit I'm going to take on the Jobo
processor and Phillips enlarger :-(

(When the *ist D gets back from Colorado)

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:37 PM
Subject: Anyone want to buy a film fridge?


> ...because it looks as if a lot of camera shops are going to be selling
> them soon. I just stopped in at my local store and discovered that
> they've cut down from three film refrigerators to one, and that one is
> only about 1/3 filled. I think I'm probably going to be *forced* to buy
> my film by mail order before too long.
> I'm wondering if we're hitting the "knee" in the curve of digital
> replacing film. As more people go digital the demand for film drops,
> causing retailers to stock less film...which gives more people incentive
> to go digital...which makes the shops reduce film stock further...and so
> on in a self-stoking cycle.
> This kind of process starts out slow but accelerates wildly once a
> certain threshold is crossed. I expect professional-grade films and
> consumer films will hit this point at different times but I think it may
> be happening now with respect to the good stuff.
>
> Time to start scrounging money for an *ist-D.
>
> -- 
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
>
>




Re: *ist D reaches Tyneside!!!

2003-11-01 Thread Leonard Paris
I don't think that Pentax is making them fast enough and, apparently, they 
are taking care of their most loyal dealers first.  I paid a bit of a 
premium to get the one I have.

Len
---

From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: *ist D reaches Tyneside!!!
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:06:58 +
Hi,

Saw on in the flesh today for the first time.

Nice marketing, Pentax.  I live in only the third biggest conurbation in
the UK (5-7 million people) and it took you over a month to get one
here.
Stuck in a corner of a window display of one of the smallest camera
shops in the city.  The 300D, conversely, is even in the box shifter
shops now, with whacking big adverts next to it.  Even allowing for the
price discrepancy, it is no wonder the Pentax market share is so
limited.
Grumpy Old Man

_
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Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service 
providers in your area).  https://broadband.msn.com



RE: I have seen the istD...

2003-11-01 Thread Len Paris
Wow! There's a concept!  All MF and absolutely no shutter lag.  The lens
prices are high but it would be fun to use.

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 

> Isn't there a Panasonic digital rangefinder coming that takes Leica M
> lenses?
> 
> Cheers,
> Jostein
> 




Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-11-01 Thread Joseph Tainter
"'the optimum pixel resolution [of the printed image] should ideally be
the printer dpi divisible by a whole number. The following pixel
resolutions should be used [for a 1440/2880 printer] : 144, 160, 180,
240, 288, 320, 360.'"
So what are the consequences of simply ignoring this? I have never 
applied this rule and the 8-1/2 x 11 inch (A4) prints I get off my Epson 
870 are, to my eyes, excellent.

I generally try to ensure that I have near, at, or above 300 ppi when I 
print. I did, though, once make an 8-1/2 x 11 print at 180 ppi, and 
thought it was pretty good. Now I have Genuine Fractals, which I put to 
use for anything that will print at under 250 ppi.

Joe



Re: strange dedicated lens hood

2003-11-01 Thread graywolf
Yep, that is what they say. Only thing is that I have, as I have said on the 
list before, held one of them in my own grubby little hands. One off, prototype, 
special, or production, there is a least one 35/1.4 KA-mount lens out there in 
consumerland. It was in the used case at a photo store, early 90's, and priced 
way out of my budget.

Arnold Stark wrote:
Today I was at a photo fair ("Fotoflohmarkt") here in Hamburg. I 
discovered a very starnge dedicated rectangular lens hood: The hood for 
the SMC Pentax 1:1.4 35mm lens So even if that lens was never sold, 
the hood was. The seller wanted 35 Euros which I considered to be way 
too much for an item that I well never be able to use, as I never can 
own that lens.. .However, I did buy a metal round hood for my 135/f2.5 
or 200/f4

Arnold


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."



Re: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread Eactivist
>That's the page I've been getting but there's nothing that actually
opens the gallery on it for me.  Strange.

I had to go directly to the November page, the main page was still Oct. for 
me.

http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/index.html

Marnie aka Doe



Re: November 2003 PUG - my fovourities

2003-11-01 Thread Dag T
PĂ„ 1. nov. 2003 kl. 17.46 skrev Maciej Marchlewski:

"Blue" by  Dag Thrane
- that background is very nicely placed but the photo has much more to 
it
which I just can't name. I just like it.

Thanks.  That background in actually another flower.  Glad you liked it!

DagT



RE: strange dedicated lens hood

2003-11-01 Thread Len Paris
It seems that the hood would make a very good investment piece because
the existence of the hood must mean that somewhere in the world there is
at least a prototype of the lens.  If the lens should fall into the
hands of a serious collector, she/he might leap at the chance to get the
hood for it, giving you a nice profit.  I would buy the hood and put it
for sale on eBay, with a reserve set to make it worth my while.

You might have to do that a few times before you found the owner of the
lens but it would be fun to try.

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Arnold Stark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:34 AM
> To: PDML
> Subject: strange dedicated lens hood
> 
> 
> Today I was at a photo fair ("Fotoflohmarkt") here in Hamburg. I 
> discovered a very starnge dedicated rectangular lens hood: 
> The hood for 
> the SMC Pentax 1:1.4 35mm lens So even if that lens was 
> never sold, 
> the hood was. The seller wanted 35 Euros which I considered to be way 
> too much for an item that I well never be able to use, as I never can 
> own that lens.. .However, I did buy a metal round hood for my 
> 135/f2.5 
> or 200/f4
> 
> Arnold
> 




Re: PUG

2003-11-01 Thread Maciej Marchlewski
tom wrote:
> "Ewelina and Pawel" by Maciej - I don't know if you were trying or
> not, but this shot has a great combination of modern and classic
> elements. There are some things a purist would condemn, but it's
> nevertheless a great shot.

Thanks Tom. I really like what you do in terms of wedding photography so it
means a lot to me that you like taht shot.

Maciej




Re: *ist D reaches Tyneside!!!

2003-11-01 Thread mike wilson
p.s. I couldn't think of anything for the running water side but I
suppose the fact that the river Tyne has gone from something you would
want to keep well upwind of on a sunny day, to England's premier salmon
river might do it..



November 2003 PUG - my fovourities

2003-11-01 Thread Maciej Marchlewski
Having a holiday today here in Poland I found some time to browse through
this month gallery. As other said it - many very good photos. I'm not going
to comment on all as I lack skills and time to do so, but wil mention some
that grabbed my attention most when browsing.

"Australasian Harrier" by  Max McRae
- a professional shot - pin sharp when it has to be, blurred elsewhere. Very
nice colours. And the fact of being taken in the zoo can't be seen in the
photo which I like. Very nice opening to the gallery.

"Face to face" by  Jan van Wijk
- very well cought but showing nice composition as well

"For Those Who Hate Cats - a Double Dose" by  Lon Williamson
- if you wanted to get on those cat haters' nerves you probably have done
the best. Everything is so cute in this photo that it must work the way you
planned

"Dreamy Autumn Afternoon" by  Kathleen Leickly
- that's a very well used photo manipulation technique

"Blue" by  Dag Thrane
- that background is very nicely placed but the photo has much more to it
which I just can't name. I just like it.

"Luminous" by  Graham Lyth
- that is very graphical photo and a very nice one. I guess you made a great
use of this place. Don't know how I would feel with with sand in my lens for
18 months but the result is worth it.

"Nupsstadur" by  Thrainn Vigfusson
- great, bold colours, the contrast between the stormy sky and bright car is
very pleasing.

"Parallel Spiral" by  BigButt
- great juxtaposition, seems almoust like two photos merged together.

"My Chevy" by  Paul Stenquist
- another professional photo. Nice car, very nicely placed.

"Water And Air" by  Wessel Sijl
- great atmosphere!

"Scale" by  Simon King
- a great sense of scale is here for sure, as well as nice tonality.

"I Laugh in the Face of Danger!" by  Catherine Wilson
- I just like it. Great kids portrait.

"Father" by  Sandor Lueff
- a portrait that tells something about the person. Too bad it's more pentax
and less father but I like it anyway.

There are also many great photos beside those.

Cheers, Maciej





Re: *ist D reaches Tyneside!!!

2003-11-01 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Peter Jordan wrote:
> 
> Well done.
> 
> If the *istD has reached Tyneside, electricity and running water can't be
> far behind!!.

First house in the world powered by elecricity?  Cragside, owned by the
Newcastle shipping and armaments magnate Armstrong.  First turbine
powered ship?  Turbinia, manufactured on Tyneside.  Inventor of the
light bulb?  Joseph Swann of Sunderland.  Matches? John Walker of same. 
First passenger steam railway?  Stockton on Tees.  Enough, already? 8-)

OK, I know that the railway is about 40 miles away.  But the guy who
built the locomotive was born at Wylam and built it in a shed behind the
present Newcastle railway station.

mike



strange dedicated lens hood

2003-11-01 Thread Arnold Stark
Today I was at a photo fair ("Fotoflohmarkt") here in Hamburg. I 
discovered a very starnge dedicated rectangular lens hood: The hood for 
the SMC Pentax 1:1.4 35mm lens So even if that lens was never sold, 
the hood was. The seller wanted 35 Euros which I considered to be way 
too much for an item that I well never be able to use, as I never can 
own that lens.. .However, I did buy a metal round hood for my 135/f2.5 
or 200/f4

Arnold



RE: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread Len Paris
There's a thought.  I will check my security settings.  I may be just a
tad over-paranoid. :-)

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:24 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PUG "November" is open
> 
> 
> I had been having a problem getting the photos to show.  
> Found the problem
> in the Zone Alarm firewall program.
> 
> Bill
> 




PUG PUN Award

2003-11-01 Thread frank theriault
Hi,

Well, I haven't looked at the whole gallery yet, but even at this
preliminary stage, I must give the above award to Dan, for "You Otter be in
Pictures".

Ouch.  That one really hurt, Dan!  

The piccie was good, too...

cheers,
frank

PS:  hopefully "real" critiques to follow later in the weekend.
-ft

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



Re: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread Bill Owens
I had been having a problem getting the photos to show.  Found the problem
in the Zone Alarm firewall program.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: PUG "November" is open


> That's the page I've been getting but there's nothing that actually
> opens the gallery on it for me.  Strange.
>
> Len
>  * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:02 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: PUG "November" is open
> >
> >
> > I had this problem last month.
> > Try:
> > http://pug.komkon.org/index.html
> >
> > William Robb
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: PUG "November" is open
> >
> >
> > > Something must have changed.  There's no way to see the
> > November 2003
> > > PUG from the main page at http://pug.komkon.org I can get into the
> > > previous galleries but not the current one.  I tried both I.E. and
> > > Netscape with the same results.
> > >
> > > Len
> > >  * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>




RE: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread Len Paris
That's the page I've been getting but there's nothing that actually
opens the gallery on it for me.  Strange.

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 

> -Original Message-
> From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:02 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PUG "November" is open
> 
> 
> I had this problem last month.
> Try:
> http://pug.komkon.org/index.html
> 
> William Robb
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:41 AM
> Subject: RE: PUG "November" is open
> 
> 
> > Something must have changed.  There's no way to see the 
> November 2003
> > PUG from the main page at http://pug.komkon.org I can get into the
> > previous galleries but not the current one.  I tried both I.E. and
> > Netscape with the same results.
> > 
> > Len
> >  * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 




Re: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread Gary L. Murphy
William Robb wrote:

I had this problem last month.
Try:
http://pug.komkon.org/index.html
 

That makes it better but it still takes some time to load. I first 
noticed this last month or the month before... Same thing with Mozilla or IE

--
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Gary


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Re: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread William Robb
I had this problem last month.
Try:
http://pug.komkon.org/index.html

William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: PUG "November" is open


> Something must have changed.  There's no way to see the November 2003
> PUG from the main page at http://pug.komkon.org I can get into the
> previous galleries but not the current one.  I tried both I.E. and
> Netscape with the same results.
> 
> Len
>  * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



PUG

2003-11-01 Thread tom
Jeez guys, nice job.

In particular -

"Bug" by
" A Stationary Moment. " by Mike
" Second Honeymoon " - Amita
"Ewelina and Pawel" by Maciej - I don't know if you were trying or
not, but this shot has a great combination of modern and classic
elements. There are some things a purist would condemn, but it's
nevertheless a great shot.
" Weird Portrait of Juan Pablo " - Albano
" Grass Trees " - Derby

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301-758-3085




Re: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread Steve Larson
Works for me. Great gallery
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California


- Original Message - 
From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 7:41 AM
Subject: RE: PUG "November" is open


> Something must have changed.  There's no way to see the November 2003
> PUG from the main page at http://pug.komkon.org I can get into the
> previous galleries but not the current one.  I tried both I.E. and
> Netscape with the same results.
> 
> Len
>  * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 



RE: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread Len Paris
Something must have changed.  There's no way to see the November 2003
PUG from the main page at http://pug.komkon.org I can get into the
previous galleries but not the current one.  I tried both I.E. and
Netscape with the same results.

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 





Re: I have seen the istD...

2003-11-01 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Personally I would love a small digital camera to carry about, BUT it
> would have to fulfill the following criteria (not in any order of
preference):
>
> G5 size or slightly smaller. Optio too small.
> PROPER optical viewfinder - hate LCD screens.
> Full manual focussing by turning a focus ring, not pressing buttons.
> All the usual suspects for exposure: M, Tv, Av, P.
> 6MP sensor, even if only a small size.
> Interchangeable lenses would be nice but will settle for a decent wide to
> med. tele.
> No shutter lag.

Isn't there a Panasonic digital rangefinder coming that takes Leica M
lenses?

Cheers,
Jostein



Re: Lens Tripod Mount?

2003-11-01 Thread John Mustarde
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:42:50 EST, you wrote:

>Been eyeing used Sigma 170-500mm APOs. For wildlife, not sports, though a bit 
>slow for wildlife. 
>
>They come with tripod mounts. How does this work, BTW? I haven't bought a 
>tripod yet, so wondering.
>
>You mount the lens directly on the tripod, not the camera? Is anything else, 
>part-wise, needed? Like a tripod addition or something? Is there something one 
>should look for in a tripod if one is going to do a fair amount lens mounting?
>
>Discovered I have still quite a few newbie questions still in me.
>
>TIA, Marnie aka Doe ;-)


For an intro lens for wildlife, get the Sigma AF 400/5.6 APO Macro,
the one that focuses close enough for 1:3 Macro.  Or its cousin, the
Sigma AF 300/4 APO Macro, which also focuses close.  They both have
nice rotating tripod collars.

They are much sharper and somewhat faster than the newer 170-500 and
50-500 zooms, and since both lenses are discontinued they can even be
found new for decent prices.  Plus they are good enough optically to
shoot wide open or with teleconverter.These lenses will not need
to be replaced with "something sharper" because they are both keepers.

The close-focusing capability of these two Sigma APO Macro lenses  is
*much* more useful than the zoom function of the 170-500.  It is about
perfect for butterflies and other larger bugs.

I had the 400/5.6 APO Macro, and except for the fact that it did not
register correct aperture with a Super Program, it was a first rate
lens in every respect.

As for focal length, there's not really much difference between 400mm
and 500mm in the field.

I understand about the need to keep costs down.  However, when it
comes to long lenses, the least expensive alternative is to get a
good, sharp lens the first time out.

--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com



Re: Problem, mirror of A-3 stays up, how to fix?

2003-11-01 Thread Ron Chappel
I'm not sure i'm right with that model,i hope it's something simple.
Try taking the lens off and gently moving the shutter parts
up or down (very gently,only if the want to move)
That may be where it is jamming.
cheers
ron
-Original Message-
From: josvdh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:22 PM
Subject: RE: Problem, mirror of A-3 stays up, how to fix?


>Thanks for your comments Ron,
>If you mean, service I have to pay for, that is not economical in my
>opinion.
>So the future of this camera is to be repaired by me or to be cannibalised
>for spare parts!
>
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: Ron Chappel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Verzonden: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:43 PM
>> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Onderwerp: Re: Problem, mirror of A-3 stays up, how to fix?
>>
>>
>> I've seen this so many times with pentaxes-
>> It's a symptom of it needing a service basically
>> i THINK.Hopefully i'm wrong
>> cheers
>> ron
>>
>
>
>



Re: Photo plus show

2003-11-01 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The show was about the same size as last year. Another company MIA was
Sigma. The Pentax booth was in a much more prominent location than last
year. With the pro orientation of the show, the Pentax booth doesn't get a
lot of attention. One of the reps was carrying on about how every lens, for
every format, could be used on the camera, but didn't mention the metering
issues.
I did try the *D, and though it was very nicely done. The controls are
useable and intelligible, with out the manual, for what every I tried to do
with it. The AF is even finally competent. No, I'm not interested in buying
one.

BR

From: "Butch Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I went to the Photo Plus show in NYC yesterday. The show seemed small to me,
but it seems to be shrinking every year. A lot of digital, little cutting
edge new. The Pentax booth was modest compared to N***N and C***n. I did get
to play with the *ist-D. It feels nice, and solid. I photographer friend who
was with me also commented on how nice it felt and how much better it felt
to the Digital Rebel.

Now the bad news. Pentax seems to be getting "dissed" (is *ist D pig latin
for dissed?) by some of the accessory manufacturers. I went to capture 1 to
ask if they were going to make their RAW converter for the ist D. The person
I spoke to listed a half dozen other cameras that would get it first, and
doubted that Pentax would have enough market share to make it worthwhile for
them. I went to Adobe and asked if their RAW converter in the new Photoshop
CS would handle Pentax's raw, nobody knew, though they were kind and polite
about it, and told me I might find the answer on their site on-line. Even
the Pentax rep sort of side stepped my comment of metering incompatibilities
with the ist D and older lenses.

Butch



Re: digital viewfinders

2003-11-01 Thread Steve Desjardins
I think some one already has.  At least I remeber that there was some
attachment for the Coolpix 500 that cover the LCD so it made a better
viewfinder.  I think is was eye level, however.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/31/03 10:00PM >>>

On Friday, Oct 31, 2003, at 17:04 America/New_York, Steve Desjardins 
wrote:

> Sounds great. You'd have to have the image horizontally reversed
> though, or all the MF boys buying it would get really confused
>
> Maybe we could make this PF option.

Lol!!! No, it'd be a optical accessory for a digital camera's LCD.

Quick! Patent it! :-)

--jc



Re: digital viewfinders

2003-11-01 Thread Steve Desjardins
Maybe.  I do wonder if the use of the digital is so distinctive (looking
at the back screen) that I only noticed these.  I did try to pay
attention the rest of the day, and all the cameras I saw were those
boxier digitals, as opposed to the more rectangular film P&S models.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/31/03 09:02PM >>>
Must prove something, Steve. But I am not sure what. I remember
watching at GFM 
during the Camera Clinic and about 90% of the tourists (not the more 
photographically sophisticated clinic attendees) were still using film
cameras. 
Different exconomic classes maybe?

---

Steve Desjardins wrote:

> A few days ago, I was looking as a friends Rollei MF camera with a
waist
> level finder.  Since it's parent's weekend here at the college, I
have
> also noticed many folks taking shots using the LCD screen and not
the
> viewfinder (I'm yet to see a film camera this today).  It strikes me
> that it would be handy to have a digital camera with a waist level
> finder and shade that consisted of a horizontal LCD screen.  The
screen
> on the E-10 can fold out, but it's awkward to use the camera this
way. 
> I'm thinking of a horizontal top-mounted LCD.  It is just me or does
> this sound like something useful?
> 
> 
> Steven Desjardins
> Department of Chemistry
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450
> (540) 458-8873
> FAX: (540) 458-8878
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> 

-- 
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com 

"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."




RE: Problem, mirror of A-3 stays up, how to fix?

2003-11-01 Thread josvdh
Thanks for your comments Ron,
If you mean, service I have to pay for, that is not economical in my
opinion.
So the future of this camera is to be repaired by me or to be cannibalised
for spare parts!

> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: Ron Chappel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Verzonden: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:43 PM
> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Onderwerp: Re: Problem, mirror of A-3 stays up, how to fix?
>
>
> I've seen this so many times with pentaxes-
> It's a symptom of it needing a service basically
> i THINK.Hopefully i'm wrong
> cheers
> ron
>




Re: *ist D reaches Tyneside!!!

2003-11-01 Thread Peter Jordan
Well done.

If the *istD has reached Tyneside, electricity and running water can't be
far behind!!.

Peter
- Original Message -
From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:06 PM
Subject: *ist D reaches Tyneside!!!


> Hi,
>
> Saw on in the flesh today for the first time.
>
> Nice marketing, Pentax.  I live in only the third biggest conurbation in
> the UK (5-7 million people) and it took you over a month to get one
> here.
>
> Stuck in a corner of a window display of one of the smallest camera
> shops in the city.  The 300D, conversely, is even in the box shifter
> shops now, with whacking big adverts next to it.  Even allowing for the
> price discrepancy, it is no wonder the Pentax market share is so
> limited.
>
> Grumpy Old Man
>



*ist D reaches Tyneside!!!

2003-11-01 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Saw on in the flesh today for the first time.

Nice marketing, Pentax.  I live in only the third biggest conurbation in
the UK (5-7 million people) and it took you over a month to get one
here.

Stuck in a corner of a window display of one of the smallest camera
shops in the city.  The 300D, conversely, is even in the box shifter
shops now, with whacking big adverts next to it.  Even allowing for the
price discrepancy, it is no wonder the Pentax market share is so
limited.

Grumpy Old Man



Re: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Cotty wrote:
> 
> Nice shot of Elin there Mike. She looks like she's just about to open the
> batting - good game was it? ;-)

BTW, my critique of my own shot:
1. blue cast - partly scanner but also on the film.  Should have had a
warm-up filter on this bright but overcast day.
2. slight cutoff of subject.  Naughty boy, you are old enough to know
better.  Fixed length lens = more use of feet.
3. _maybe_ would have been better if she had been looking at camera.  I
am far too slow and unpractised to catch real decisive moments.
4. skillful use of fill flash might have improved colour balance.

mike



Re: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Cotty wrote:
> 
> Nice shot of Elin there Mike. She looks like she's just about to open the
> batting - good game was it? ;-)

No skill on my part - all credit to the model, who features in the shot
at the end of that line, also.

mike



Re: Problem, mirror of A-3 stays up, how to fix?

2003-11-01 Thread Ron Chappel
I've seen this so many times with pentaxes-
It's a symptom of it needing a service basically
i THINK.Hopefully i'm wrong
cheers
ron


From: josvdh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:24 PM
Subject: Problem, mirror of A-3 stays up, how to fix?


> Dear pentaxians,
>This morning I wanted to take a picture with an A-3.
>Pressing the button made the mirror flip-up and further.. nothing!
>Replacing the two penlights did not help. (The battery check light was okay
>anyway)
>Gentle push on the mirror does not bring it down.
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks in advance, Jos
>
>



Problem, mirror of A-3 stays up, how to fix?

2003-11-01 Thread josvdh
 Dear pentaxians,
This morning I wanted to take a picture with an A-3.
Pressing the button made the mirror flip-up and further.. nothing!
Replacing the two penlights did not help. (The battery check light was okay
anyway)
Gentle push on the mirror does not bring it down.
Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance, Jos



eBay & a hotshoe adapter FG

2003-11-01 Thread Ryan Lee
Hey people,
I was doing some shopping on eBay and bid on a hot shoe adapter FG,
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2960839729&category=30084
and didn't really have to because I found another one which comes with the
cord too. Rather than retract a bid, I was hoping someone else might want to
outbid me 50cents for it? Could post a coin to you if you want :) Thanks if
you do, thanks if you don't.

Cheers,
Ryan




November PUG

2003-11-01 Thread Ryan Lee
Great PUG this month, some nice frames in there. Special congrats to Thrainn
Vigfusson, Martin Mielke, Jerome Reyes, Stephen Pruetz, Jan van Wijk,
Kenneth Waller, Harald Rust, Mike Wilson, for frames that I particularly
like (not in any order..). Keep up the good work people!

Best Regards,
Ryan




Re: LXist

2003-11-01 Thread Ron Chappel
Enough to have the effect of LXativessorry...

-Original Message-
From: Larry Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: LXist


>Joe asked:
>A flock of LXs?
>A herd of LXs?
>A gaggle of LXs?
>An exaltation of LXs?
>
>Grammarians on the list, please help.
>
>>From my being a member of this list for only a relatively short time, the
>answer is evident:
>
>A pride of LXes
>
>Larry
>
>



Re: OT - I'm back, Suckers!

2003-11-01 Thread Cotty
On 31/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>So, since I had no computer, I couldn't check e-mails, my Hotmail inbox
>overflowed, I bounced e-mails, and got unsubbed.  I think I'm now resubbed
>(we'll see).

I thought it was nice and quiet around here ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Lens Tripod Mount?

2003-11-01 Thread Herb Chong
it's a good lens. it's about as sharp as my FA 24-90, perhaps a little
better, but it is significantly heavier than the Sigma 170-500. i don't know
if you will find it very cheaply on the used market. two things i don't like
about it. it only stops down to F22, and there are no click stops on the
rotating tripod collar at 0 and 90 degree marks. since the lens is so heavy,
you must get a very sturdy tripod and head. figure on spending close to half
the price of the lens on a tripod. you'll never use the 50-500 at the short
end except in emergencies, so count on the lens being extended most of the
time and it's pretty long.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Lens Tripod Mount?


> Kind of what I thought. Heavy tripod.
>
> Since Cameron thinks the 170-500mm stinks, what do you think of the
50-500mm?




Re: digital viewfinders

2003-11-01 Thread Herb Chong
about half of the tourists at the places i frequent and about 3/4 of the
friends whom i go to those places with are using digital cameras. the
percentage of film is highest for those who are carrying tripods.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: digital viewfinders


> Must prove something, Steve. But I am not sure what. I remember watching
at GFM
> during the Camera Clinic and about 90% of the tourists (not the more
> photographically sophisticated clinic attendees) were still using film
cameras.
> Different exconomic classes maybe?




PUG

2003-11-01 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I've just spent two hours looking at the new PUG gallery. I don't consider
myself much of a critic of landscapes. I am most interested in portraits,
macros, geometric compositions and images that use colour in interesting
ways. This large gallery has outstanding examples of all those.

Don
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RE: PUG "November" is open

2003-11-01 Thread David Madsen
Ramesh, you have very good taste.

David Madsen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.davidmadsen.com

-Original Message-
From: Ramesh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PUG "November" is open


My favourites are
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/dreamypug.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/kikipug.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/d4.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/bug_600.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/nupsstad.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/stairpug.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/e0002pug.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/father.html