Re: Track and Confirm thru USPS

[graywolf]

Remember, those are government employees. The have hundreds of hours of training 
in how to say, "huh??".

--

Stan Halpin wrote:

I tried the last time I shipped anything (the LX that went missing for a
while), was told "huh??"  I'll try again next time I ship something. Thanks!


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"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

[*ist-D] help wanted: testing RAW white balance conversion

[John Francis]

If anyone is interested in helping me check my white balance conversion
parameters, I've put a little Windows shell executable (and source) up at



It should be used as follows:

pefconvert inputfile.pef outputfile.jpg n
or
pefconvert inputfile.pef outputfile.png n

where n is a single digit in the range 1-8, specifying the white
balance setting to be used, as follows:

1: Daylight
2: Cloudy
3: Shade
4: Daylight Fluorescent Light
5: Neutral White Fluorescent Light
6: White Fluorescent Light
7: Tungsten Light
8: Flash

The output file is a half-resolution (1520 x 1012) JPEG or PNG
(for easy quick-and-dirty conversion from raw sensor values).

It should, assuming I've got everything right, produce images
that have the right overall brightness and colour balance - please
let me know if you try it out and get gross errors.  It does *not*
produce images that are directly comparable to the output from Photo
Laboratory; I have not yet applied any sharpening, and it also looks
as though I may need to apply a little additional saturation.

Note, too, that this is test software, not industrial-strength: it
doesn't check for error conditions.

Please send any comments to me, off-list, at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [new toy]

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

on 02.12.03 1:02, Lukasz Kacperczyk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Yes, it has.
> 
> And I can confirm that he's smiling :-)
> 
> regards,
> Lukasz
> 
> PS. I know I'm not Sylwek, but thought I'd answer anyway :-)
Thx Lukasz - too much work by the end of the year :-)
Indeed, I have it much earlier than I thought it would be :-)

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Who else?

[Cotty]

On 1/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>So, if it's a big enough tent, me and Cotty could do that, and I think (if 
>my calculations are correct) Jostein, Ann and Cesar would then have their 
>own beds in the trailer.

Er..




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Re: Who else?

[Cotty]

On 1/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>We've got plenty of time to work out sleeping arrangements. 

Agreed. I'm flexible.




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Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Cotty]

On 1/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>> Occasionally, I craft my own drinks.  Actually just mix stuff together
>> and see how it tastes.  My most recent endeavor is one I call "Pucker
>> Power".  It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1 part Everclear.
>> The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95% (190 proof).
>> Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that is 83.33 proof
>> and tastes pretty good.  It is nothing to overdo, however.

>Hey Cotty, reckon Len will make some of these for us at GFM?
>
>Bill

Hmmm, could give me some interesting nightmares about John Holmes though




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Re[2]: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited

[Pat]

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:14:43 -0800, Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
> I have owned and shot both the FA 28/2.8 and the FA 35/2 lenses.  Of
> those two, I much preferred the 35.  I found that the FA 28 had
> visible light fallof until at least 5.6-8.  The 35 seemed a bit
> sharper, too.  Of course the 28 is wider than the 35 and if you need
> wide...well.  I personally found 24 and 35 made a very nice combo and
> I felt no need for the 28.

Thanks for the info Bruce. I find the FA 24mm out of my price range for now. If
I had (unlimited) resources, I think I'd go for both the 24mm & 35mm plus the
50mm I already have. Finances being what they are, I can *look* at either a
28mm or a 35mm. I just don't know how big a deal (visually) 7 mm is at the wide
end of things.

Pat in SF

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Re[3]: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited

[Bruce Dayton]

Well, 28 is visually wider than 35.  If you are going for a wider
look, then you should probably get the 28 and just be sure to stop
down a bit.  I know how that "finances" thing can get in the way of
wants.  Good luck.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 12:52:09 AM, you wrote:

P> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:14:43 -0800, Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
>> I have owned and shot both the FA 28/2.8 and the FA 35/2 lenses.  Of
>> those two, I much preferred the 35.  I found that the FA 28 had
>> visible light fallof until at least 5.6-8.  The 35 seemed a bit
>> sharper, too.  Of course the 28 is wider than the 35 and if you need
>> wide...well.  I personally found 24 and 35 made a very nice combo and
>> I felt no need for the 28.

P> Thanks for the info Bruce. I find the FA 24mm out of my price range for now. If
P> I had (unlimited) resources, I think I'd go for both the 24mm & 35mm plus the
P> 50mm I already have. Finances being what they are, I can *look* at either a
P> 28mm or a 35mm. I just don't know how big a deal (visually) 7 mm is at the wide
P> end of things.

P> Pat in SF

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Optio S4 - first impressions

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

No, I did not buy it, why would I? 

Co-worker bought it and today I tried it while we had a little party 
in the company.

This thing is way cool of course. It is very hard to operate and 
several times I turned it off instead of taking the picture. But this 
is not the main issue.

This darn thing has eternal shutter release lag. You click and then 
some time in the future it takes the picture... I wonder what was the 
situation with original Optio S...

Of course, the settings were - all maximal quality and all automatic.



Boris

Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Christian]

I'm waiting for the Leica M digital  Can't be too far in the future
could it?

Christian

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this


> Hi,
>
> Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 12:49:16 PM, you wrote:
>
> > 
>
> > Dear Santa, yes please, love Cotty
>
> they sure know how to push all the Leicaphile* hot buttons, don't they!
>
> Leica likers?
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
>  Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[Bruce Dayton]

Boris,

You, like many others, fail to realize that it takes time to focus and
calculate the exposure.  Better P&S cameras (Optio S included) have
focus/exposure lock.  All you have to do is press halfway down just
like an SLR.  It will achieve focus and exposure and hold it as long
as you keep pressure on the shutter button.  When the right moment
arrives, finish pressing and the picture is taken almost immediately.
No shutter lag.  Simply a matter of learning how to master the camera.
 Virtually all P&S cameras have this problem.  In fact all AF SLR's
 have this problem too, but they are a little faster.  Even on the
 *istD, the general technique is to press halfway down, achieve focus
 lock and then press the rest of the way at the right moment.  Try it
 on your own AF SLR and you'll see what I mean.

 HTH,

Bruce



Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 8:20:47 AM, you wrote:

BL> Hi!

BL> No, I did not buy it, why would I? 

BL> Co-worker bought it and today I tried it while we had a little party
BL> in the company.

BL> This thing is way cool of course. It is very hard to operate and 
BL> several times I turned it off instead of taking the picture. But this
BL> is not the main issue.

BL> This darn thing has eternal shutter release lag. You click and then
BL> some time in the future it takes the picture... I wonder what was the
BL> situation with original Optio S...

BL> Of course, the settings were - all maximal quality and all automatic.

BL> 

BL> Boris

Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Shel Belinkoff]

There are numerous reasons why it will never happen ... and maybe one or two
why it might 

Christian wrote:

> I'm waiting for the Leica M digital  Can't be too far in the future
> could it?
>

Comments on the *ist-D

[Mark Roberts]

Mike Johnston's latest column mentions it. 
Excerpt:
"And of course, you could use the Pentax SMCP-FA 31mm Limited on the
*ist D, which might be reason enough to check it out right there. This
camera with the 31mm Limited would be killer. Pentax also makes one of
the best 24mms on the planet, so Pentax really has you covered in terms
of spectacularly good moderate-wide normals."

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-03-10-30.shtml

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[Boris Liberman]

Bruce,

I tried what you said and it worked quite fine... I suppose the 
difference between, say my MZ-6 and this Optio S4, is that in my case 
I get feedback (viewfinder confirmation and a little beep) while 
holding tiny Optio S4 in front of me in the midst of a partying crowd, 
it is not easy to get the feedback, supposing there is some.

That's why I am falling deeper and deeper in love with my ME Super - 
everything is much smoother, much more natural, much faster...

Thanks!

Boris

Re: Charging batteries

[Mark Cassino]

I've used new batteries that had gone a month or more since being charged 
and did not notice any difference.  I'm sure they did not last as long as 
freshly charged ones, but the difference was not pronounced.

I have several sets of older batteries though that really die down quickly 
after being charged - even if its only been a week between charges.  they 
also die pretty quickly in the camera, but seem to perform adequately flashes.

So much for some of the longevity claims  (like, "rechargeable up to 1,000 
times"). I bought these 2 1/2 years ago when I got the Nikon CP990.  I'm 
sure they have not been charged close to 1,000 times (that would be roughly 
one charge daily, every day since I got them) - probably no more than 200 - 
300 times, max, but they certainly show the wear.  I can get maybe 50 shots 
off with the *ist D on a set of the old batteries before the low batter 
light comes one.

- MCC

At 10:10 AM 12/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
I have 4 or 5 sets of NiMh batteries that I use in my *ist D and AF360
flash.  My question is, how often should they be recharged if not used for
awhile?
Bill
-

Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Joseph Tainter]

Chateau Thames Embankment, as Rumpole would put it.

Joe

Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Keith Whaley]

I shudder to think of what the price might be. . .

keith

Cotty wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Santa, yes please, love Cotty
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty

Re: no birds at my Thanksgiving

[wendy beard]

- Original Message -

> From: "Amita Guha" 
> 
> Argh! Hope some of you had a more
> photographic weekend than I did...
> 

Spent some of it trying to get photos for the obligatory Christmas Cards.
It's true what they say - never work with children and animals!

http://www.beard-redfern.com/photos/xmas2003.jpg
http://www.muddypawz.net/photos/130_3034_w.jpg
http://www.muddypawz.net/dog_bw/130_3034_bw.htm (Same but in b&w)

-
wendy beard
ottawa, canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com

RE: no birds at my Thanksgiving

[Amita Guha]

> > when we arrive, we learn that they had to take the bird 
> feeders down 
> > because a bear kept getting into them. Argh! Hope some of you had a 
> > more photographic weekend than I did...
> 
> well, they must have very big birds, or very small bears!

The bear kept getting into the bird food, not the birds themselves. ;)

Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Boris Liberman wrote:

> That's why I am falling deeper and deeper in love with my ME Super -
> everything is much smoother, much more natural, much faster...

Until you need to use flash.

Kostas :-)

Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited

[John Francis]

> 
> keller.schaefer wrote:
> 
> ks> (correct me if I am wrong). So everything that a lens can possible deliver over
> ks> 64 lp/mm is wasted on the sensor by definition. The REAL resolving power of the
> ks> sensor will be (way) below that due to the geometry of the sensor pixels, maybe
> ks> somewhere around 40.
> 
>   According to the Nyquist theorem the maximum resolution the sensor
>   can sample accurately is half its resolution. This brings down the
>   resolving power to 32 lpmm. Roughly the same as a 2800 dpi scanner.
>  `
>   Servus,  Alin
> 

Re: Projector lights as studio light source?

[Dag T]

I have, for black and white photos.

I used the screen as a reflector and got a smooth lighting depending on 
the size of the "image" on the screen.  With two projectors and two 
screens you get some control of the light.

I didn´t get much light though.

Dag

På 2. des. 2003 kl. 00.08 skrev Lasse Karlsson:

Hi all,

As mentioned in another thread I am about to try to set up a small 
kind of home studio.
Cleaning the garage today I found two old slide projectors that I 
haven't used for many, many years (hardly at all in fact). One is a 
Leitz Pradovit, the other maybe an Agfa.
Has anyone found any meaningful use for slide projector lights in a 
studio?

(The lights are strong (the Leitz one slightly yellowish), however I 
have no idea what temperature (Kelvin) they are or how films or a 
digital sensor perceives them.)

Thanks,
Lasse

Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Jim Apilado]

*istD?  Who needs one if Leica would come out with a digital M.  I am a long
time Leica user.  That Digilux 2 looks like a winner.

Jim A.

> From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:26:16 -0500
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:26:17 -0500
> 
> I'm waiting for the Leica M digital  Can't be too far in the future
> could it?
> 
> Christian
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:59 AM
> Subject: Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 12:49:16 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Dear Santa, yes please, love Cotty
>> 
>> they sure know how to push all the Leicaphile* hot buttons, don't they!
>> 
>> Leica likers?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheers,
>> Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
> 

Re: no birds at my Thanksgiving

[Ann Sanfedele]

Amita Guha wrote:

> My inlaws have 3 bird feeders, so I arrived up there armed with a
> decent-sized kit that included 2 tripods and my 400mm prime and 300mm
> zoom, which I hadn't had the last time I was up there. And of course,
> when we arrive, we learn that they had to take the bird feeders down
> because a bear kept getting into them. Argh! Hope some of you had a more
> photographic weekend than I did...

My friend Nora, who lives in Mountainville (that is near Cornwall in the
Hudson Valley)
had a bear try to steal one of her feeders multiple times - It seemed it was
too heavy
for him to lug but she took to bringing the feed part in at night and now
has removed it
until she figures they have gone to sleep in the winter.  She did leave one
suet pack hanging
about 20 feet from her window and the woodpeckers paid us visits on
Thanksgiving day.

She was certainly not the only one on Taylor Road visited by the bear or
bears - a hiker
found a stash of bird feeders up on the mountain  whose name I can't begin
to spell, but
is often day-hiked by New Yorkers who take a bus up rt 32 .  Sounds like
"Scuddy-munk"

So the bears appear to be collectors - perhaps they are gathering them to
sell on ebay :)

annsan

Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[Boris Liberman]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:11:13 + (GMT)
 Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Boris Liberman wrote:

That's why I am falling deeper and deeper in love with my ME Super -
everything is much smoother, much more natural, much faster...
Until you need to use flash.

Kostas :-)

Be reminded, that I also have ZX-L (MZ-6). One of the purposes - flash 
photography... 



Boris

Was: A turning point?, now: taking street pictures.

[Malcolm Smith]

Len Paris wrote:

> The F 50mm f/1.7 lens with the *ist D makes a great street 
> shooting combo, too. Especially if you don't use the battery 
> grip on it when you street shoot.

I'll try that, but I am going to have a go at something else first. A few
miles from me is one of the worlds longest markets (Walthamstow High Street)
and an absolute delight for the street photographer. What I have noticed is
that people get quite miffed when being photographed using a 35mm camera -
obviously there is a talent to this which some of you have and I don't - but
they ignore it when the camera in question is MF. With that in mind I shall
wander about nearer Christmas using the 67 and just to be really subtle,
I'll put on a Hi-Vi jacket as well.

I bet no-one says a word to me and lets me take pictures without being
challenged.

Malcolm

RE: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Malcolm Smith]

Bob Walkden wrote:

> Leica likers?

I remember the slogan 'I'm a Laker Liker' for Freddie Laker's cut price
airline. I had the smiley face sticker on the family washing machine for
years when I was a schoolboy.

Malcolm 

Re: where are you ? and digital vs film

[Steve Desjardins]

Yes, actually, the Desjardins part of the family came to the US in the
early 19th century from Canada.  We honeymooned in Montreal, and were
surprised to see how many Desjardins were in the phone book.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/03 07:10PM >>>
Now, now, Professor,

(or is it "Doctor"?  have you got your PhD?  I'm guessing you do...)

The list only suggests ways to "enable" yourself.  You must take 
responsibility for your actions.

Not that I should talk.  When I started I had a couple of Spotties, and
now 
I've got the MX, LX, had an MV, and a bunch more lenses.

BTW, interesting that your started in New England.  That explains the
name.  
Desjardins is very common in Quebec, and many French Canadians have
ended up 
in New England over the years.  I've seen lots of French Canadian names
in 
Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire, especially.  No doubt your family
history 
includes some connection to Canada.

cheers,
frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




>From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: where are you ? and digital vs film
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:42:08 -0500
>
>Chemistry Prof and a displaced New Englander living in Virginia.
>
>I have an SP500, ZX-7, MX, MZ-S and a 645.  I hope to soon have a
*ist
>D.
>
>I began reading this with only the ZX-7, which had replaced my MV1.
>I'm now realizing what a "bad" influence this list is . . .
>

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Re[2]: Optio S4 - first impressions

[Bruce Dayton]

Actually the original Optio S (don't know about the S4) is one of the
few P&S cameras I have tried that gives any feedback about the focus
point.  If you view the LCD while shooting, small green brackets
appear right at the focus point.  Very handy for determining if you
actually focused on the right thing.  I'm surprised that no mention is
made of it.  Way more useful than my daughter's Optio 230 or Canon A10
digitals.  Pre-focus with the focus indicator on the Optio S make it
into a palatable camera for me.  Not anywhere near an SLR, but way
better than run of the mill P&S.

I have to agree that there is a comforting feeling using a camera that
you feel in complete control of that responds to your directions when
and how you want it to.  One of the important aspects to me of the
automated cameras is how comfortable they are to use when all the
little automations are turned off.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 9:00:59 AM, you wrote:

BL> Bruce,

BL> I tried what you said and it worked quite fine... I suppose the 
BL> difference between, say my MZ-6 and this Optio S4, is that in my case
BL> I get feedback (viewfinder confirmation and a little beep) while 
BL> holding tiny Optio S4 in front of me in the midst of a partying crowd,
BL> it is not easy to get the feedback, supposing there is some.

BL> That's why I am falling deeper and deeper in love with my ME Super -
BL> everything is much smoother, much more natural, much faster...

BL> Thanks!

BL> Boris

RE: no birds at my Thanksgiving

[Amita Guha]

> So the bears appear to be collectors - perhaps they are 
> gathering them to sell on ebay :)

That's so funny! I think my inlaws' bear was only interested in eating.
My mother in law saw him take the hummingbird feeder down and smash it
on the deck steps to get at the syrup. They also have decided to wait
until winter to put the feeders back out. 

Re: Re[2]: Optio S4 - first impressions

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

Bruce, I've noticed focus confirmation... But I did not quite got 
accustomed to it. After all, I was just asked to take few shots... It 
is not mine.

I have to agree that there is a comforting feeling using a camera 
that
you feel in complete control of that responds to your directions when
and how you want it to.  One of the important aspects to me of the
automated cameras is how comfortable they are to use when all the
little automations are turned off.
Amazingly enough ZX-L seems like an automaton that almost never gets 
in my way. It is almost transparent...

Boris

P.S. Bruce, you might want to consider to configure your mail client 
so that it wouldn't count number of replies you made to each 
message...

Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited

[graywolf]

Isn't the minimum sample from a bayer pattern sensor a 4 (2x2) pixel clump? That 
would reduce things by another 50%, not so?

Alin Flaider wrote:
keller.schaefer wrote:

ks> (correct me if I am wrong). So everything that a lens can possible deliver over
ks> 64 lp/mm is wasted on the sensor by definition. The REAL resolving power of the
ks> sensor will be (way) below that due to the geometry of the sensor pixels, maybe
ks> somewhere around 40.
  According to the Nyquist theorem the maximum resolution the sensor
  can sample accurately is half its resolution. This brings down the
  resolving power to 32 lpmm. Roughly the same as a 2800 dpi scanner.
 `
  Servus,  Alin

--
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http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[Lawrence Kwan]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Boris Liberman wrote:
> I tried what you said and it worked quite fine... I suppose the
> difference between, say my MZ-6 and this Optio S4, is that in my case
> I get feedback (viewfinder confirmation and a little beep) while
> holding tiny Optio S4 in front of me in the midst of a partying crowd,
> it is not easy to get the feedback, supposing there is some.

Actually, you get the same beep and viewfinder confirmation with S4.
Another way to reduce autofocus lag is to use spot/single focal point
instead of the default wide focal points.  After autofocus and preflash
are done, the shutter release lag is only 0.01s, one of the fastest in
this class.



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Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited

[Peter Jordan]

I have the very magazine here.

The other two are the N***n 45mm f/2.8P AF which looks like a cross between
the 40mm pancacke and the 43mm FA Limited, and the Voigtlaender Heliar 50mm
f/3.5.

FWIW, they describe the 31 Limited as having "remarkable performance".

Peter

- Original Message -
From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pdml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited


> "That is impressive, top three. What were the other two?
>   I think I know.
> "Steve Larson"
>
> Something by Nikon and something by Voigtlander. It'll be somewhere on
> the web site: www.popphoto.com.
>
> Joe
>
>

Re: Pentax 501 slide ?projector?

[graywolf]

I am not familiar with it, but it looks like it is missing the slide changer 
part. Several other similar projectors had a mechanism that you pulled out the 
slide holder dropped a slide in to it then pushed it back in. The changer would 
fit in beteen the lamp housing and the lens. I recall that Kodak (and Minolta) 
sold such a projector that you see on Ebay now and then, you might check. Might 
look and see if you can find a picture of one of them that shows the slide changer.

--

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Overwhelmed by curiosity, I bid on this item...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2965331911

So now it's arrived and I'm looking at it.
It small and compact.
It looks like a slide projector.
But, it's missing some bits that could hold the slide.
Does anybody know anything about this item?
About how old is it?
Was it sold in the US or only Japan?
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,  Bob S.


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Re: where are you ? and digital vs film

[Peter Jordan]

For PCs, if you download the KLM world timetable, it has an option of using
a world map as a screensaver that does just what your Mac app does.

It also has the option of showing you where all the KLM flights are supposed
to be at the moment.

I think the website is imaginatively called www.klm.com, but I'm offline at
the moment, so can't offer the exact URL of the timetable download.

Peter


- Original Message -
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: where are you ? and digital vs film


> On 30/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
>
> >Cotty wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually I have this nifty little desk top app that shows me where it
is
> >> night and where it is day across the world, so I know which good little
> >> boys and girls are in bed, and which bad ones are still up at 4 am
here!
> >> You know who you are !!
> >>
> >> www.hourworld.com
> >
> >Which version of Windows is OS?
> >
> >*-) (still drunk from meeting with Russian hooligan last night)
>
> Oh, sorry Mike, didn't I mention? It's a Mac-only app. Tsk, I'm sure
> there's a PC version just floating around out there somewhere ;-)
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
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Re: 4 week wait for a lense :(

[Cotty]

On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>I ordered an FA 85mm 1.4 lense and today they ring me to say 
>there is a 4 week wait for them!
>How can I pass this time without going spare?

Borrow someone's A*85mm f1.4 and realise the mistake you have made ;-)




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RE: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Cotty]

On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>I imagine many wont like the electronic viewfinder, but other than that
>it must surely be the answer to many people's dreams.
>
>Seems odd though.  Not that I am dissin' the electronic vf, but the
>target market for a camera of this sort would be exactly the type of
>person I would expect to be put off by that.  I suspect they would have
>preferred a rangefinder?

Egad. I spotted it just before I had to dash out to work, and missed the
electronic VF part. YUK. Cancel my order please Santa. Optical all the way!




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Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[Christian]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Actually the original Optio S (don't know about the S4) is one of the
> few P&S cameras I have tried that gives any feedback about the focus
> point.  If you view the LCD while shooting, small green brackets
> appear right at the focus point.  Very handy for determining if you
> actually focused on the right thing.  I'm surprised that no mention is
> made of it.  Way more useful than my daughter's Optio 230 or Canon A10
> digitals.  Pre-focus with the focus indicator on the Optio S make it
> into a palatable camera for me.  Not anywhere near an SLR, but way
> better than run of the mill P&S.
>

The 330 gives the same green brackets as does the Canon A70 (I think it does
a square).  I'm pretty sure focus confirmation is pretty standard on
digicams.

Christian

RE: 4 week wait for a lense :(

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: 4 week wait for a lense :(
> 
> 
> On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> 
> >I ordered an FA 85mm 1.4 lense and today they ring me to say 
> >there is a 4 week wait for them!
> >How can I pass this time without going spare?
> 
> Borrow someone's A*85mm f1.4 and realise the mistake you 
> have made ;-)

Buy an istD and 50/1.4 and get a similar fov.

tv

 

Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[graywolf]

This is the bush the bear ran behind while I was focusing my digital camera.
This is spot where the pretty girl was when I was focusing digital camera.
This the toy the kid was playing with when I was focusing my digital camera.
I think I will go out and take some landscape photos now...
:)

--

Bruce Dayton wrote:

Boris,

You, like many others, fail to realize that it takes time to focus and
calculate the exposure.  Better P&S cameras (Optio S included) have
focus/exposure lock.  All you have to do is press halfway down just
like an SLR.  It will achieve focus and exposure and hold it as long
as you keep pressure on the shutter button.  When the right moment
arrives, finish pressing and the picture is taken almost immediately.
No shutter lag.  Simply a matter of learning how to master the camera.
 Virtually all P&S cameras have this problem.  In fact all AF SLR's
 have this problem too, but they are a little faster.  Even on the
 *istD, the general technique is to press halfway down, achieve focus
 lock and then press the rest of the way at the right moment.  Try it
 on your own AF SLR and you'll see what I mean.
 HTH,

Bruce



Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 8:20:47 AM, you wrote:

BL> Hi!

BL> No, I did not buy it, why would I? 

BL> Co-worker bought it and today I tried it while we had a little party
BL> in the company.
BL> This thing is way cool of course. It is very hard to operate and 
BL> several times I turned it off instead of taking the picture. But this
BL> is not the main issue.

BL> This darn thing has eternal shutter release lag. You click and then
BL> some time in the future it takes the picture... I wonder what was the
BL> situation with original Optio S...
BL> Of course, the settings were - all maximal quality and all automatic.

BL> 

BL> Boris




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"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: Was: A turning point?, now: taking street pictures.

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 5:40:28 PM, you wrote:

> I'll try that, but I am going to have a go at something else first. A few
> miles from me is one of the worlds longest markets (Walthamstow High Street)
> and an absolute delight for the street photographer. What I have noticed is
> that people get quite miffed when being photographed using a 35mm camera -
> obviously there is a talent to this which some of you have and I don't - but
> they ignore it when the camera in question is MF. With that in mind I shall
> wander about nearer Christmas using the 67 and just to be really subtle,
> I'll put on a Hi-Vi jacket as well.

> I bet no-one says a word to me and lets me take pictures without being
> challenged.

Ridley Road Market in Dalston looks quite a good hunting ground for
photography. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/place-london/A708554.

I've never really done a proper photo job there, but I was once there
coincidentally and taking a few snaps, quite innocently, and was told
in no uncertain terms to stop by some Farrakhan Nation of Islam types.
They seemed to be getting a bit nasty for some reason, but I was extricated
by a friend of mine, an Ethiopian, who was able to convince them I was
harmless and I was with him. So you have to be a bit careful at some
of these places. You can't predict how some people will behave, even
the most respectable looking. Having said that, most places are fine
and I rarely have problems.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Pat White]

Bob Blakely mentioned Night Train (Come alive for $1.85!).  Basic but
effective.

One of the worst liquors I've sampled (and I drink very little) was Kao
Liang Liquor from Kinmen Island, off Taiwan.  A friend gave me a bottle and
it was around for five years, in spite of offering some to nearly every
visitor in that time.  It came in a screw-top bottle with a plastic wine
cork pushed in, and was marked 85-87 proof.

It was clear but strange-smelling, and was best described as bad Chinese
tequila.

Pat White

Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis" 
Subject: Re: Optio S4 - first impressions


> On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
> > That's why I am falling deeper and deeper in love with my ME Super -
> > everything is much smoother, much more natural, much faster...
> 
> Until you need to use flash.

 Err, how does that change things?

William Robb

Re: AW: istD and old primes

[graywolf]

I would also think you could:
1. take a reading with your handheld meter, or by guessimate.
2. set the aperture on the lens.
3. set the shutter speed on the camera.
4. take the photo.
--

keller.schaefer wrote:

... has to be magic, as on my *ist D there is no exposure compensation in M.

The only way I can get this to work somehow, is to hit the green button and
then to correct shutter speed. So when in M,
1) stop down the lens as much as you like and remember the number of stops
2) frame
3) hit green button
4) correct shutter speed by the number of steps that you have stopped down
the lens
5) shoot
Or did I miss something?

Sven

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Heiko Hamann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2003 22:45
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: istD and old primes
Hi Jim,

on 01 Dec 03 you wrote in pentax.list:


And a last trick: stop down the lens 3 times, set the exposure
compensation to +3 and use the green button in M - now you have a nice
working AE with an old K-/M-lens.


Isn't there supposed to be some incantation you say first before you do the
last trick?


Just Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious...

Cheers, Heiko


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Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "graywolf"
Subject: Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this


> Panasonic, Panasonic, Panasonic...
>
> Do you suppose Leica does extra quality control before or after they put
their
> name on it? Nah, probably not. If you have an older digital Leica you can
say
> Fuji, Fuji, Fuji... But then if you have a Leica CL you can say Minolta,
> Minolta, Minolta...
>
> Tell me again how much better a Leica is than a Panasonic, Fuji, or
Minolta.

My Leica is WAY better than those cheap pretenders.
She doesn't even shed on my sensor.

OTOH, my Rollei goes chewy on bad people.

William Robb

Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis"
Subject: Re: Optio S4 - first impressions


> On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, William Robb wrote:
>
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis"
> > Subject: Re: Optio S4 - first impressions
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Boris Liberman wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's why I am falling deeper and deeper in love with my ME Super -
> > > > everything is much smoother, much more natural, much faster...
> > >
> > > Until you need to use flash.
> >
> >  Err, how does that change things?
>
> From Boj's site:
>
> > 1. turn flash on,
> > 2. compose,
> > 3. set X-sync shutter speed,
> > 4. focus,
> > 5. note subject distance,
> > 6. find out F from the back of the flash (make sure to look in the
> >appropriate film-speed column),
> > 7. select F,
> > 8. shoot.

>From Bill's bag of tricks:

1) Use a Pentax dedicated auto flash.
2) turn on flash and camera (in auto).
3) set f/stop as per guide on flash.
4) compose, focus and shoot.

Not quite as dumb as using a TTL dedicated, but only one more step, and
there are no myriads of buttons on an ME-S.

William Robb

Re: 4 week wait for a lense :(

[Cotty]

On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>This one time, at band camp, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
>> Borrow someone's A*85mm f1.4 and realise the mistake you have made ;-)
>
>I have one of these, but cannot make it go on the istD

Can't means won't!

Please sir, what in Finagle's name is a band camp?




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RE: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Cotty]

On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>(can't afford anything named Leica right now anyway -- my car has a new
>clutch, 
>and the price tag leads me to suspect there's a red dot somewhere on
>*that*.)

Thanks Eleanour. Best laugh of the day :-)




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Re: AW: istD and old primes

[Shel Belinkoff]

Or, since in most situations the light will remain the same for a while, take a
reading of the area and set the camera.  Then, when it's time to catch that
"decisive moment," point, focus, and shoot.  Sometimes focus isn't even necessary
...

shel

graywolf wrote:

> I would also think you could:
> 1. take a reading with your handheld meter, or by guessimate.
> 2. set the aperture on the lens.
> 3. set the shutter speed on the camera.
> 4. take the photo.
>

Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Keith Whaley]

I have an almost brand new Leica C1. I understand the body was made by 
Matsushita/Panasonic.

It is very nicely made, but I have a problem with the rather odd controls.
Someone else might not think they're odd at all. It's probably just me. 

keith whaley

graywolf wrote:
> 
> Panasonic, Panasonic, Panasonic...
> 
> Do you suppose Leica does extra quality control before or after they put their
> name on it? Nah, probably not. If you have an older digital Leica you can say
> Fuji, Fuji, Fuji... But then if you have a Leica CL you can say Minolta,
> Minolta, Minolta...
> 
> Tell me again how much better a Leica is than a Panasonic, Fuji, or Minolta.
> 
> ---
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I imagine many wont like the electronic viewfinder, but other than that
> >>>it must surely be the answer to many people's dreams.
> >>>
> >>>Seems odd though.  Not that I am dissin' the electronic vf, but the
> >>>target market for a camera of this sort would be exactly the type of
> >>>person I would expect to be put off by that.  I suspect they would have
> >>>preferred a rangefinder?
> >>
> >>Egad. I spotted it just before I had to dash out to work, and missed the
> >>electronic VF part. YUK. Cancel my order please Santa. Optical all the way!

[. . .]

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Len Paris wrote:
> 
> Occasionally, I craft my own drinks.  Actually just mix stuff together
> and see how it tastes.  My most recent endeavor is one I call "Pucker
> Power".  It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1 part Everclear.
> The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95% (190 proof).
> Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that is 83.33 proof
> and tastes pretty good.  It is nothing to overdo, however.

Everclear sounds like something you use to clean car windows on frosty
mornings.  Or that you use for nasal congestion.  Am I wrong?

mike
who likes apple drinks.

RE: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Alan Chan]

Isn't it the same as Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LC1?
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/1008/ceatec01.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/1008/ceatec02.jpg
Yours regards,
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan


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Re[2]: Optio S4 - first impressions

[Bruce Dayton]

If you will change that from digital camera to point and shoot camera
I will agree with you.  It is not a specific digital camera problem.
It is a problem where the camera has automation (most notably auto
focus) that is slow and doesn't provide very good feedback to the
user.  All AF point & shoots exhibit the same problem of missing the
action.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 10:46:43 AM, you wrote:

g> This is the bush the bear ran behind while I was focusing my digital camera.
g> This is spot where the pretty girl was when I was focusing digital camera.
g> This the toy the kid was playing with when I was focusing my digital camera.
g> I think I will go out and take some landscape photos now...

g> :)

g> --


g> Bruce Dayton wrote:

>> Boris,
>> 
>> You, like many others, fail to realize that it takes time to focus and
>> calculate the exposure.  Better P&S cameras (Optio S included) have
>> focus/exposure lock.  All you have to do is press halfway down just
>> like an SLR.  It will achieve focus and exposure and hold it as long
>> as you keep pressure on the shutter button.  When the right moment
>> arrives, finish pressing and the picture is taken almost immediately.
>> No shutter lag.  Simply a matter of learning how to master the camera.
>>  Virtually all P&S cameras have this problem.  In fact all AF SLR's
>>  have this problem too, but they are a little faster.  Even on the
>>  *istD, the general technique is to press halfway down, achieve focus
>>  lock and then press the rest of the way at the right moment.  Try it
>>  on your own AF SLR and you'll see what I mean.
>> 
>>  HTH,
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 8:20:47 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>> BL> Hi!
>> 
>> BL> No, I did not buy it, why would I? 
>> 
>> BL> Co-worker bought it and today I tried it while we had a little party
>> BL> in the company.
>> 
>> BL> This thing is way cool of course. It is very hard to operate and
>> BL> several times I turned it off instead of taking the picture. But this
>> BL> is not the main issue.
>> 
>> BL> This darn thing has eternal shutter release lag. You click and then
>> BL> some time in the future it takes the picture... I wonder what was the
>> BL> situation with original Optio S...
>> 
>> BL> Of course, the settings were - all maximal quality and all automatic.
>> 
>> BL> 
>> 
>> BL> Boris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: ZX-7, Tamron 28~200 lens

[Dave Miers]

I'd be interested in the lens, but not the body.  Any chance he would
separate them?  And where might all this be shipped from?
- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:23 PM
Subject: FS: ZX-7, Tamron 28~200 lens


> Hi Gang ...
>
> Selling this for a friend who has moved to a digi.
>
> Camera and lens are almost like new.
> Lens is a Tamron AF 28-200f/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical (IF) Phew!
> The kit's been used only on a couple of vacation trips, and both the
> lens and camera have recently been checked.  Both camera and lens have
> all manuals and paperwork, boxes, caps, hood, Pentax strap, and so on.
> Nothing is missing from this
> outfit. $175.00 or ?
>
> Might make a nice holiday gift for someone, or you can use it yourself.
> See pic of outfit at:
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/PDMLzx7.html
>
> kind regards ...
>
> shel
>
>

Re: 4 week wait for a lense :(

[mike wilson]

Cotty wrote:
> 
> Please sir, what in Finagle's name is a band camp?
> 

You obviously aren't obsessed with pre-teen hollywood sex comedy
movies.  Ask Stefan - then thump him when he knows the answer. 8-)

To my undying shame I managed to sit through about 1/3rd of it on DVD.

mike

RE: [new toy]

[frank theriault]

Well, Malcolm,

I spoke to the head Luddite himself, and he tells me that you can obtain 
your membership again, by packing up your *istD (even better if you have yet 
to unpack it!) in the original box, with that FJ zoom, all papers and such, 
and send it to:

The Director,
New Technology Disposal Division,
Society of Luddites,
25 Amroth Ave,
Toronto, Ontario,
CANADA
M4C 4H3
You must act quickly, however, so the Director can receive the items by 
Christmas - er, I mean, so he can dispose of them in an appropriate manner 
immediately.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [new toy]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:27:05 -
frank theriault wrote:

> You just bought yourself the latest that digital technology
> has to offer.
> You officially lose your Luddite membership.  The balance of
> your annual fees will be refunded, once we find your file
> folder in the filing cabinet.
No, no the earth is flat, the earth is flat

> You may no longer refer to yourself in such terms, even with
> the prefix "quasi" to modify the word.
>
> You are now a Trendoid.  
Is this something you get wafers with or something unpleasant for which
there is a cream to apply?
Malcolm


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RE: A turning point?

[frank theriault]

I've been (sort of) doing that with the LX for shots on the subway.  Sit 
there with the camera on my lap, take off the prism, and look like I'm 
fiddling with the camera.  The noise of the subway masks the sound of the 
camera, so no one even knows I've taken a photo...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: A turning point?
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:26:56 -


An LX with a remote shutter release and a waist level finder works OK too
for street photography.

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RE: no birds at my Thanksgiving

[frank theriault]

So exactly where do your in-laws live that they have bear problems?

Brooklyn?

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: no birds at my Thanksgiving
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:52:26 -0500
> So the bears appear to be collectors - perhaps they are
> gathering them to sell on ebay :)
That's so funny! I think my inlaws' bear was only interested in eating.
My mother in law saw him take the hummingbird feeder down and smash it
on the deck steps to get at the syrup. They also have decided to wait
until winter to put the feeders back out.
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Re: Band Camp/Was 4 week wait

[cbwaters]

There is a movie (whose name I forget because it was forgettable) that had
an annoying girl (played by the girl who later played Willow in the TV
series "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") who talked endlessly and mercilessly
about her experiences at Band Camp.
Over on this side of the pond, our grade schools have marching bands.  Band
camp is a Summer camp themed to enrich one's band lifestyle.  Or so I've
been told by band geeks...

Cory Waters
was a mean trumpet player in 6th grade and has a guitar that won't make
pretty noises for him.

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From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: 4 week wait for a lense :(


> On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
>
> >This one time, at band camp, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Borrow someone's A*85mm f1.4 and realise the mistake you have made ;-)
> >
> >I have one of these, but cannot make it go on the istD
>
> Can't means won't!
>
> Please sir, what in Finagle's name is a band camp?
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
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Re: ZX-7, Tamron 28~200 lens

[Paul Sorenson]

Have a friend who might be interested in the whole package.  Need to check
w/him this evening.

Paul

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:23 PM
Subject: FS: ZX-7, Tamron 28~200 lens


> Hi Gang ...
>
> Selling this for a friend who has moved to a digi.
>
> Camera and lens are almost like new.
> Lens is a Tamron AF 28-200f/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical (IF) Phew!
> The kit's been used only on a couple of vacation trips, and both the
> lens and camera have recently been checked.  Both camera and lens have
> all manuals and paperwork, boxes, caps, hood, Pentax strap, and so on.
> Nothing is missing from this
> outfit. $175.00 or ?
>
> Might make a nice holiday gift for someone, or you can use it yourself.
> See pic of outfit at:
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/PDMLzx7.html
>
> kind regards ...
>
> shel
>

Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[frank theriault]

Well, I'm a pessimist (see sig, below... )

But, seriously (and I haven't used any P&S except for tourists asking me to 
take piccies with their cameras, standing in front of the CN Tower) these 
cameras have limitations.  They have to.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing.  I'm not saying they're garbage.  But they 
aren't great big SLR's that can do things in an instant, or that have manual 
over-ride or any of that stuff.

I guess there's a reason that PJ's and Papparazzi don't use P&S's.

OTOH, it's hard to fit an MZ-S in your breast pocket - or any other pocket 
for that matter.  If I had the money, I might even buy one (after I buy a 
nice medium format kit, and a *istD).  True, as a few posts have mentioned, 
the limitations can be minimized, but not eliminated.  That's the trade-off 
for small size and convenience, as you quite correctly point out, Boris.

regards,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Optio S4 - first impressions
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:41:24 +0200
Hi!


Shel, I think of it somewhat differently. It is like this, you decide
that *now* is the moment, but since this camera is a sign of the
future, it would actually photograph the future moment *after* you
decided that you want shutter to trip and even pressed a button ...
I am a positive man, normally, so I tend to think of a full half of a
glass of water ...


Boris

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Re: Band Camp/Was 4 week wait

[Bill Owens]

Speaking as a former band member, band parent and father of a band director,
I can assure you that band camps are as necessary as athletic camps, if not
more so.  Band competition is pretty fierce and a good band requires
probably more team work and discipline than an athletic team.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Band Camp/Was 4 week wait


> There is a movie (whose name I forget because it was forgettable) that had
> an annoying girl (played by the girl who later played Willow in the TV
> series "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") who talked endlessly and mercilessly
> about her experiences at Band Camp.
> Over on this side of the pond, our grade schools have marching bands.
Band
> camp is a Summer camp themed to enrich one's band lifestyle.  Or so I've
> been told by band geeks...
>
> Cory Waters
> was a mean trumpet player in 6th grade and has a guitar that won't make
> pretty noises for him.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: 4 week wait for a lense :(
>
>
> > On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> >
> > >This one time, at band camp, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Borrow someone's A*85mm f1.4 and realise the mistake you have made
;-)
> > >
> > >I have one of these, but cannot make it go on the istD
> >
> > Can't means won't!
> >
> > Please sir, what in Finagle's name is a band camp?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >   Cotty
> >
> >
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RE: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[frank theriault]

I'd also like interchangeable lenses.  At least the one on there is plenty 
fast (esp for a zoom).

But no optical viewfinder?  Eeewww...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Egad. I spotted it just before I had to dash out to work, and missed the
electronic VF part. YUK. Cancel my order please Santa. Optical all the way!


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Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[frank theriault]

The lens (on my CL) says "Wetzlar, Wetzlar, Wetzlar".  That has the 
Panasonics beat to hell.  Those lenses may say Leica on them, but the only 
thing Leica is the design.  Not made in Germany, Canada, Portugal, or any 
other place that Leica has a factory.  Made in the Far East (not that that's 
a bad place, but it's, as you say, Tom, a long way from any Leica QC 
person).

cheers,
frank
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fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:34:39 -0500
Panasonic, Panasonic, Panasonic...

Do you suppose Leica does extra quality control before or after they put 
their name on it? Nah, probably not. If you have an older digital Leica you 
can say Fuji, Fuji, Fuji... But then if you have a Leica CL you can say 
Minolta, Minolta, Minolta...

Tell me again how much better a Leica is than a Panasonic, Fuji, or 
Minolta.




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Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu]

Really? It's just a point&shoot, no better than a Sony 717.
A digital Leica M, with an APS-C sized sensor and which accepts the best
Leica Lenses - that would be a winner. And, don't forget - it has to be a
rangefinder - a real one.

Alex Sarbu

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Apilado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this


>
> *istD?  Who needs one if Leica would come out with a digital M.  I am a
long
> time Leica user.  That Digilux 2 looks like a winner.
>
> Jim A.



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Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[frank theriault]

C1's are nice looking cameras - but IIRC, w-a-y slow lenses (like f11 at the 
longest focal length?).

I've heard some say that QC is a real problem with them.  Lots of reports of 
inability to properly focus at longer focal lengths, IIRC - almost sounds 
like alignment problems with the glass or something.

But, if you have a good sample, they're supposed to be nice cams.

regards,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:06:22 -0800
I have an almost brand new Leica C1. I understand the body was made by 
Matsushita/Panasonic.

It is very nicely made, but I have a problem with the rather odd controls.
Someone else might not think they're odd at all. It's probably just me.
keith whaley

graywolf wrote:
>
> Panasonic, Panasonic, Panasonic...
>
> Do you suppose Leica does extra quality control before or after they put 
their
> name on it? Nah, probably not. If you have an older digital Leica you 
can say
> Fuji, Fuji, Fuji... But then if you have a Leica CL you can say Minolta,
> Minolta, Minolta...
>
> Tell me again how much better a Leica is than a Panasonic, Fuji, or 
Minolta.
>
> ---
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I imagine many wont like the electronic viewfinder, but other than 
that
> >>>it must surely be the answer to many people's dreams.
> >>>
> >>>Seems odd though.  Not that I am dissin' the electronic vf, but the
> >>>target market for a camera of this sort would be exactly the type of
> >>>person I would expect to be put off by that.  I suspect they would 
have
> >>>preferred a rangefinder?
> >>
> >>Egad. I spotted it just before I had to dash out to work, and missed 
the
> >>electronic VF part. YUK. Cancel my order please Santa. Optical all the 
way!

[. . .]

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RE: no birds at my Thanksgiving

[Amita Guha]

> So exactly where do your in-laws live that they have bear problems?
> 
> Brooklyn?

LOL! A tiny town called Portville, a couple of hours south of Buffalo,
way out in the sticks. They get deer and wild turkeys up there too.

Amita

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Keith Whaley]

mike wilson wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Len Paris wrote:
> >
> > Occasionally, I craft my own drinks.  Actually just mix stuff together
> > and see how it tastes.  My most recent endeavor is one I call "Pucker
> > Power".  It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1 part Everclear.
> > The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95% (190 proof).
> > Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that is 83.33 proof
> > and tastes pretty good.  It is nothing to overdo, however.
> 
> Everclear sounds like something you use to clean car windows on frosty
> mornings.  Or that you use for nasal congestion.  Am I wrong?

Not "wrong" but. . . That stuff used to power torpedos - back in WWII!
>From what I hear!
Make medics blind, stuff like that.
 
> mike
> who likes apple drinks.

Sour apples, maybe?

keith

Re: Optio S4 - first impressions

[Keith Whaley]

frank theriault wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm a pessimist (see sig, below... )
> 
> But, seriously (and I haven't used any P&S except for tourists asking me to
> take piccies with their cameras, standing in front of the CN Tower) these
> cameras have limitations.  They have to.
> 
> I'm not saying it's a bad thing.  I'm not saying they're garbage.  But they
> aren't great big SLR's that can do things in an instant, or that have manual
> over-ride or any of that stuff.
> 
> I guess there's a reason that PJ's and Papparazzi don't use P&S's.
> 
> OTOH, it's hard to fit an MZ-S in your breast pocket - or any other pocket
> for that matter.  If I had the money, I might even buy one (after I buy a
> nice medium format kit, and a *istD).  True, as a few posts have mentioned,
> the limitations can be minimized, but not eliminated.  That's the trade-off
> for small size and convenience, as you quite correctly point out, Boris.

Frank, Frank, Frank...
I thought you knew by now.
It ain't how big it is, it's how. . .

keith  
> 
> regards,
> frank

> >From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: Optio S4 - first impressions
> >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:41:24 +0200
> >
> >Hi!
> >
> 
> >
> >Shel, I think of it somewhat differently. It is like this, you decide
> >that *now* is the moment, but since this camera is a sign of the
> >future, it would actually photograph the future moment *after* you
> >decided that you want shutter to trip and even pressed a button ...
> >
> >I am a positive man, normally, so I tend to think of a full half of a
> >glass of water ...
> >
> >
> >
> >Boris

RE: no birds at my Thanksgiving

[frank theriault]

Portville?  Never heard of it.

OTOH, We aren't far from Buffalo here in Toronto.  Went camping several 
times at the Alleghany State Park, which I think was near Warsaw and 
Salamanca.  Is Portville near there?

If so, does that mean I camped near bears?  Krikeys!!

Beautiful country, though.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

LOL! A tiny town called Portville, a couple of hours south of Buffalo,
way out in the sticks. They get deer and wild turkeys up there too.
Amita

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Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.

[frank theriault]

The Larch













The Larch...

regards,
frank
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fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Stephen Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Oh no, another wink-wink-nudge-nudge thread.
We need to erect a barrier...
Stephen





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Re: Band Camp/Was 4 week wait

[Tanya Mayer Photography]

hehe, ashamed to admit that of course I know it... it was "American Pie",
and we don't need to talk about what she did with her flute do we?!! ;-)
The actresses name is Alison Hannigan, which I know because despite being
the mature mother that I am, I am/was totally addicted to "Buffy" and
"Angel"!  Please, no "cyber" smacks, I know I should hang my head in shame!
lol.

tan.

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Band Camp/Was 4 week wait


> There is a movie (whose name I forget because it was forgettable) that had
> an annoying girl (played by the girl who later played Willow in the TV
> series "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") who talked endlessly and mercilessly
> about her experiences at Band Camp.
> Over on this side of the pond, our grade schools have marching bands.
Band
> camp is a Summer camp themed to enrich one's band lifestyle.  Or so I've
> been told by band geeks...
>
> Cory Waters
> was a mean trumpet player in 6th grade and has a guitar that won't make
> pretty noises for him.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: 4 week wait for a lense :(
>
>
> > On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> >
> > >This one time, at band camp, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Borrow someone's A*85mm f1.4 and realise the mistake you have made
;-)
> > >
> > >I have one of these, but cannot make it go on the istD
> >
> > Can't means won't!
> >
> > Please sir, what in Finagle's name is a band camp?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >   Cotty
> >
> >
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Re: 4 week wait for a lense :(

[Stan Halpin]

on 12/04/03 9:00 PM, Kevin Waterson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> This one time, at band camp, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Borrow someone's A*85mm f1.4 and realise the mistake you have made ;-)
> 
> I have one of these, but cannot make it go on the istD
> 
> Kind regards
> Kevin
I will be glad to take the A*85mm/1.4 off your hands - obviously it won't
work on the ist-D and you don't need it anyway with the FA version on its
way to you. I wouldn't even charge you for the service...

Stan

Re: Who else?

[frank theriault]

Kripes, I don't know these things

If Amita can have bears at her in-law's bird feeder...

Bears scare the bejeezus out of me, okay?  They're big, strong, run fast, 
climb trees, and have claws and teeth like freaking daggers.  I say there's 
nothing wrong with knowing where the bears are, and to be wary of them.  
Call me strange - lord knows there are enough ~other~ reasons to call me 
strange, so now you can throw the bear thing in there too...  

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Who else?
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 01:55:02 -0500
No, there are no bears at GFM.
HA HA HA Ha Ha Ha ha ha ha...
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Re: ZX-7, Tamron 28~200 lens

[Tanya Mayer Photography]

I love this lens (well, I THINK it is the same one).  I smashed it on my
camera a couple of weeks ago, and
was most happy to find out today that it is fixable.  It will cost me
au$120, which I am STOKED about, I
thought it would cost me at least double that IF it was even able to be
salvaged...

It retails new for around au$450-$500 here in Oz and is a great buy.
Beautiful bokeh...

tan.

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From: "Dave Miers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: ZX-7, Tamron 28~200 lens


> I'd be interested in the lens, but not the body.  Any chance he would
> separate them?  And where might all this be shipped from?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:23 PM
> Subject: FS: ZX-7, Tamron 28~200 lens
>
>
> > Hi Gang ...
> >
> > Selling this for a friend who has moved to a digi.
> >
> > Camera and lens are almost like new.
> > Lens is a Tamron AF 28-200f/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical (IF) Phew!
> > The kit's been used only on a couple of vacation trips, and both the
> > lens and camera have recently been checked.  Both camera and lens have
> > all manuals and paperwork, boxes, caps, hood, Pentax strap, and so on.
> > Nothing is missing from this
> > outfit. $175.00 or ?
> >
> > Might make a nice holiday gift for someone, or you can use it yourself.
> > See pic of outfit at:
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/PDMLzx7.html
> >
> > kind regards ...
> >
> > shel
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Keith Whaley wrote:
> Sour apples, maybe?

You need some tartness in good cider

mike

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Treena]

Um, it CAN be ... I also suspect it might function well as a form of car
fuel.

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From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)


> Everclear sounds like something you use to clean car windows on frosty
> mornings.  Or that you use for nasal congestion.  Am I wrong?
>

Re: Band Camp/Was 4 week wait

[cbwaters]

I had to wait 16 minutes to receive the first reply from a band person. Not
a bad response time really :)  About what I can expect from the ambulance in
these parts, I suppose.

Cory
Just yanking the "band geeks" chains.

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Band Camp/Was 4 week wait


> Speaking as a former band member, band parent and father of a band
director,
> I can assure you that band camps are as necessary as athletic camps, if
not
> more so.  Band competition is pretty fierce and a good band requires
> probably more team work and discipline than an athletic team.
>
> Bill
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Band Camp/Was 4 week wait
>
>
> > There is a movie (whose name I forget because it was forgettable) that
had
> > an annoying girl (played by the girl who later played Willow in the TV
> > series "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") who talked endlessly and mercilessly
> > about her experiences at Band Camp.
> > Over on this side of the pond, our grade schools have marching bands.
> Band
> > camp is a Summer camp themed to enrich one's band lifestyle.  Or so I've
> > been told by band geeks...
> >
> > Cory Waters
> > was a mean trumpet player in 6th grade and has a guitar that won't make
> > pretty noises for him.
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: 4 week wait for a lense :(
> >
> >
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> > > >> Borrow someone's A*85mm f1.4 and realise the mistake you have made
> ;-)
> > > >
> > > >I have one of these, but cannot make it go on the istD
> > >
> > > Can't means won't!
> > >
> > > Please sir, what in Finagle's name is a band camp?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >   Cotty
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Re: AW: istD and old primes

[graywolf]

No, no, Shel. That is too advanced for many. You have to check the lighting 
every shot, sometimes 3 or 4 times for each shot. You have to rack the focus 
back and forth, back and forth, back and forth so you will get the subject sharp 
after all a 50mm lens at f16 has hardly any DOF. It is so hard and fiddlely 
doing all that you need a really seriously computerised camera just to get a 
snapshot of your kids.

I was taking some shots the other day when I turned around and the subject was 
backlighted. Take a new reading? Set exposure compensation? Naw, the camera is 
still set for the existing light, just keep shooting. To me, automatic cameras 
are often more work not less.

BTW, did I tell you I finally got an MX? Funny how it seems to work almost 
automatically in my hands when I have not used one in 15 years. Damned if I 
don't still think it is the best 35mm SLR ever.

--

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Or, since in most situations the light will remain the same for a while, take a
reading of the area and set the camera.  Then, when it's time to catch that
"decisive moment," point, focus, and shoot.  Sometimes focus isn't even necessary
...
shel

graywolf wrote:


I would also think you could:
1. take a reading with your handheld meter, or by guessimate.
2. set the aperture on the lens.
3. set the shutter speed on the camera.
4. take the photo.



--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: no birds at my Thanksgiving

[Stan Halpin]

on 12/02/03 11:34 AM, Ann Sanfedele at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
> found a stash of bird feeders up on the mountain  whose name I can't begin
> to spell, but is often day-hiked by New Yorkers who take a bus up rt 32 .
> Sounds like "Scuddy-munk" ...
> 
> annsan
> 
> 

Would that be the Shawangunks? No, I guess the Gunks are further North? I
know the Gunks because they are one of the best rock climbing areas in the
world, I spent a lot of time and left a lot of skin there... saw porcupine,
weasels, deer, fox, owls, etc but never any bears.

Stan

Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this

[Keith Whaley]

frank theriault wrote:
> 
> C1's are nice looking cameras - but IIRC, w-a-y slow lenses (like f11 at the
> longest focal length?).

Oh, heck no! f/10.5 at 105mm.
Clear down to f/4.0 at the widest, which is 38mm.

> I've heard some say that QC is a real problem with them.  Lots of reports of
> inability to properly focus at longer focal lengths, IIRC - almost sounds
> like alignment problems with the glass or something.

I personally think it's the IR sensor. I know darned well it won't focus
thru glass, but one expects that, right? Stay away from aquariums! I
finally put it back in my pocket and acted the grump the rest of the
day, mumbling to myself. . .

> But, if you have a good sample, they're supposed to be nice cams.

They are. Out in the open.
Nice, sharp, clear photos, nice color, good contrast, etc.
Zoom, self-wind, auto-load, and so on. 
Nice specs. A decent P&S.

keith whaley
 
> regards,
> frank
> 
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> 
> >From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: OT - Leica Digilux 2 - must see this
> >Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:06:22 -0800
> >
> >I have an almost brand new Leica C1. I understand the body was made by
> >Matsushita/Panasonic.
> >
> >It is very nicely made, but I have a problem with the rather odd controls.
> >Someone else might not think they're odd at all. It's probably just me.
> >
> >keith whaley
> >
> >graywolf wrote:
> > >
> > > Panasonic, Panasonic, Panasonic...
> > >
> > > Do you suppose Leica does extra quality control before or after they put
> >their
> > > name on it? Nah, probably not. If you have an older digital Leica you
> >can say
> > > Fuji, Fuji, Fuji... But then if you have a Leica CL you can say Minolta,
> > > Minolta, Minolta...
> > >
> > > Tell me again how much better a Leica is than a Panasonic, Fuji, or
> >Minolta.
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >>On 2/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>I imagine many wont like the electronic viewfinder, but other than
> >that
> > > >>>it must surely be the answer to many people's dreams.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Seems odd though.  Not that I am dissin' the electronic vf, but the
> > > >>>target market for a camera of this sort would be exactly the type of
> > > >>>person I would expect to be put off by that.  I suspect they would
> >have
> > > >>>preferred a rangefinder?
> > > >>
> > > >>Egad. I spotted it just before I had to dash out to work, and missed
> >the
> > > >>electronic VF part. YUK. Cancel my order please Santa. Optical all the
> >way!
> >
> >[. . .]
> >
> 
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Re: OT: Whines

[graywolf]

Everclear is intended to clean glass, which is why the name. However, it is 
potable alcohol (99%), so you have to buy it in the liquor store and pay tax on 
it. It figures in some WWII South Pacific stories as Torpedo Juice, Everclear 
(navy used it to clean submarine parascope lenses) and Pineapple Juice.

--

mike wilson wrote:

Hi,

Len Paris wrote:

Occasionally, I craft my own drinks.  Actually just mix stuff together
and see how it tastes.  My most recent endeavor is one I call "Pucker
Power".  It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1 part Everclear.
The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95% (190 proof).
Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that is 83.33 proof
and tastes pretty good.  It is nothing to overdo, however.


Everclear sounds like something you use to clean car windows on frosty
mornings.  Or that you use for nasal congestion.  Am I wrong?
mike
who likes apple drinks.

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Pentax 28-105mm FA powerzoom

[Tanya Mayer Photography]

Question - I just bought this lens, the Pentax 28-105mm FA powerzoom f4-f5.6
(from ebay, for like au$150!!!). It is in PERFECT condition and I am very
happy with my purchase.  Course I don't use the powerzoom crap, but the lens
itself is great.

I also got a very pleasant surprise, when I discovered that at the 105mm
end, it is extremely close focusing.  Almost to the point of being macro?
Boz's site and the lens itself, say that it goes to .43mm focussing
distance, but I am getting into even closer ranges with the lens spinning
around to show a little flower symbol (if this makes any sense), that I have
always taken to indicate a macro function?

I know this might all sound very rudimentary to you guys and gals, but until
now I have only ever had a collection of manual focus Pentax lenses and all
of my AF stuff has been third party.  As this lens was purchased
second-hand, I don't have a manual to go by.  Does anyone else have this
lens and could they shed some light on this for me?  I have found so far
that it is extremely sharp and I really love it.  Does anyone know of any
problems etc that I should be aware of when shooting with it?

Many thanks,
tan.

Re: Pentax 501 slide ?projector?

[Stan Halpin]

on 12/02/03 7:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Overwhelmed by curiosity, I bid on this item...
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2965331911
> 
> So now it's arrived and I'm looking at it.
> It small and compact.
> It looks like a slide projector.
> But, it's missing some bits that could hold the slide.
> 
> Does anybody know anything about this item?
> About how old is it?
> Was it sold in the US or only Japan?
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> 

Wow! Good buy! You got a great price!

(What is it?)

[Yes, I know, that was your question also. Just being a touch facetious.]

Stan

Re: OT: Whines

[Mat Maessen]

Not sure about car windows, but it certainly makes a good cleaning 
solvent...
Something about a liquor that's 190 proof...

-Mat

mike wilson wrote:
Everclear sounds like something you use to clean car windows on frosty
mornings.  Or that you use for nasal congestion.  Am I wrong?
mike
who likes apple drinks.

Re: Pentax 28-105mm FA powerzoom

[brooksdj]

> Question - I just bought this lens, the 
Pentax 28-105mm 
FA powerzoom f4-f5.6
> (from ebay, for like au$150!!!). It is in PERFECT condition and I am very
> happy with my purchase.  Course I don't use the powerzoom crap, but the lens
> itself is great.
> Many thanks,
> tan.

Good to know.I'm thinking of adding it to my line up with the PZ-1 i purchased in 
Nov.The
reviews for 
those who have it are mostly favorable.

Thanks

Dave
> 

Fw: Show and Tell - AF 50mm f1.7...

[Tanya Mayer Photography]

> Many thanks William, and everybody else for your thoughtful responses to
this thread...
>
> In regards to the digital/film thingy:
>
> I KNOW that I need to go digital.  I know that I would recoup the $$ in
very little time and I also know that it would be SOO beneficial for me
out here having no labs etc.  BUT, in Australian dollars, the outlay to go
over to the *istD is over $3000.
>
> I HAVE decided that I am going to lease one for tax/technology reasons,
but due to my business only being set up this year, I am still required to
place an au$1500 deposit for security.  Might not be much to most "pro"
photographers, but I have 3 kids hanging out for a very generous Santa in a
couple of weeks aaannd, another little story to tell...
>
> Three weeks ago, I was shooting graduation portraits in the bush in a town
about 2 hours from mine (it is called Moranbah, if any of you Aussies have
heard of it).  Anyways, light was running out, the kids were all bloody late
(little brats!), and I was RUSHING to get them all through. So, I was
running across a road when I tripped, dropped everything I was carrying and
then turned to watch the next passing car run over everything that I was
carrying!  Aargh!  So just WHAT was I carrying?  Well, it was a (very
poorly made) Sigma EF430st flashgun, three rolls of NPH400, a Pentax Pz-20,
and a Tamron 28-200mm lens (the same one that shel's friend is selling).
Combined, this was my favourite set up for shooting portraits!  Ok, so of
course I had backup gear, and went ahead with the job no problems (although
with my hands  shaking!).  I was very lucky, cause looking back it most
easily could have
been MYSELF that got collected by the car.  Anyways, I had prompt flash
backs of the PZ-1P that I "threw" over a cliff a few years back (anyone
remember that? Stan saved my butt on that one...), and which I never did
replace.  For some reason, that I can't put my finger on, I have since come
to LOVE the Pz-20 body, and have 3 (well, 2 and one smashed one!) of them,
and think I will stick with them.  They do everything that I have come to
need.
>
> Of course, everything WAS insured (not that I would get much back, cause
it was all used gear), BUT decided against claiming them due to the time
factor involved.  I would need to source 3 or 4 quotes and then send them to
my insurance company etc, because of course there isn't an agent here in my
town.  To put it into perspective, a gecko crawled into my power supply on
> my pc last year and it took me 6 months to get another one!
>
> Sooo, basically, my *istD "fund" has disappeared for now, as over the past
three weeks, I have enabled myself with the following items:  another Pz-20,
Pentax FA 28-105mm lens, Pentax FA 50mm f1.7mm lens, 360fgz flashgun.  And
whilst I was at it, I went a bit mad and also bought an Incablitz
flashmeter, Lowepro Nova 5 Camera Bag, SLS 160ws monolight (300 effective
ws), light stand, softbox, umbrella, carry bag.  Phew!

Of course, I am well aware that what I have spent over the past few weeks,
could very well have purchased my *istD outright, BUT I am intending of
going down the "shoot digital have film backup" path, so want to get that
side of things sorted out too.
>
> I am now at a point where I am quite confident and comfortable in my
"collection" of equipment that I can offer consistent results to my clients.
I do OF COURSE, still want to go digital, but that won't happen until the
New Year now...
>
> William, I already scan most of my work, and ftp (upload) it to my lab
where they print just as they would if I were shooting digital.  As they are
a Pro lab, the turn around time is generally about 3-5 days, which would
only differ by a day or so if I had actually hand delivered it/picked it up
myself, so I am happy with that side of things.  They also do a fantastic
job. For Aussie members, the lab's website is www.imt.net.au if anyone wants
to check it out.  The delay for me is that I have to send the film off to be
processed first, before I can get to work on it.  That adds another 3-5
days, sometimes more, to the turn around.
>
> Moral of the story is that when I do get my *istD that side of things
won't really change where my lab is concerned, BUT I won't have to a) mail
order film (as no-one locally stocks any Pro films), and b) won't have to
send film off to be processed.  The trips to Brisbane are for work/bookings.
I am travelling there to shoot weddings, and couldn't possibly comprehend
travelling there for lab stuff (it is a 14 hour drive!).  I welcome the
Brisbane trips as they give me the chance to display a larger variety of
backdrops and locations on my website and also give me a great break for a
day or two from my kids! lol.
>
> Ok, so sorry that was all so long winded, just wanted to fill you all in
on my "butter fingers" and say thanks for all of your encouraging
comments...
>
> tan.
>

Re: Who else?

[mike wilson]

Hi,

frank theriault wrote:
> Bears scare the bejeezus out of me, okay?  They're big, strong, run fast,
> climb trees, and have claws and teeth like freaking daggers.  I say there's
> nothing wrong with knowing where the bears are, and to be wary of them.
> Call me strange - lord knows there are enough ~other~ reasons to call me
> strange, so now you can throw the bear thing in there too...  

I saw film of one running down a deer.  I don't think you are strange at
all.  Anything that big shouldn't be so agile.  It's just not natural. 
Only two places for bears, for me; far, far away or behind something
really solid.  Glad you've got them in Canada.  8-)

mike

Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited

[Herb Chong]

but half the resolution of 128 elements/mm is 64 lp/mm. you're dividing by
two twice.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "keller.schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited


> keller.schaefer wrote:
>
> ks> (correct me if I am wrong). So everything that a lens can possible
deliver over
> ks> 64 lp/mm is wasted on the sensor by definition. The REAL resolving
power of the
> ks> sensor will be (way) below that due to the geometry of the sensor
pixels, maybe
> ks> somewhere around 40.
>
>   According to the Nyquist theorem the maximum resolution the sensor
>   can sample accurately is half its resolution. This brings down the
>   resolving power to 32 lpmm. Roughly the same as a 2800 dpi scanner.

Re: Comments on the *ist-D

[Herb Chong]

i'm disappointed with my FA* 24 f2.0. it is a bit sharper than my  FA24-90
but it has a lot more chromatic abberation at the corners. i think mine is
misaligned. it sounds like a trip to Pentax Colorado.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:56 AM
Subject: Comments on the *ist-D


> Mike Johnston's latest column mentions it.
> Excerpt:
> "And of course, you could use the Pentax SMCP-FA 31mm Limited on the
> *ist D, which might be reason enough to check it out right there. This
> camera with the 31mm Limited would be killer. Pentax also makes one of
> the best 24mms on the planet, so Pentax really has you covered in terms
> of spectacularly good moderate-wide normals."
>
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-03-10-30.shtml
>
> -- 
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
>
>

Re: no birds at my Thanksgiving

[Herb Chong]

they get bears in Yonkers, at least occasionally.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: no birds at my Thanksgiving


> LOL! A tiny town called Portville, a couple of hours south of Buffalo,
> way out in the sticks. They get deer and wild turkeys up there too.

Re: Band Camp/Was 4 week wait

[John Francis]

> 
> hehe, ashamed to admit that of course I know it... it was "American Pie",
> and we don't need to talk about what she did with her flute do we?!! ;-)
> The actresses name is Alison Hannigan, which I know because despite being
> the mature mother that I am, I am/was totally addicted to "Buffy" and
> "Angel"!  Please, no "cyber" smacks, I know I should hang my head in shame!

Alyson, IIRC.  And she's every bit as cute in real life as she is on TV;
she drove in the Toyota Pro-Celebrity race at the Long Beach Grand Prix
a few years ago.  David Boreanaz was supposed to drive in that race the
following year, but he was a no-show.

Still, with Paul Newman to be found in pit lane my wife was kept happy ...

Re: no birds at my Thanksgiving

[Herb Chong]

bears are now common in the Catskills and south, including the Gunks. Ann's
friend lives on Taylor Road in the Town of Cornwall next to Schunemunk
Mountain (with about a dozen known spellings).

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Stan Halpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: no birds at my Thanksgiving


> on 12/02/03 11:34 AM, Ann Sanfedele at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> ...
> > found a stash of bird feeders up on the mountain  whose name I can't
begin
> > to spell, but is often day-hiked by New Yorkers who take a bus up rt 32
.
> > Sounds like "Scuddy-munk" ...
> >
> > annsan
> >
> >
>
> Would that be the Shawangunks? No, I guess the Gunks are further North? I
> know the Gunks because they are one of the best rock climbing areas in the
> world, I spent a lot of time and left a lot of skin there... saw
porcupine,
> weasels, deer, fox, owls, etc but never any bears.
>
> Stan
>
>

Re: Fw: Show and Tell - AF 50mm f1.7...

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

> > Sooo, basically, my *istD "fund" has disappeared for now, as over the past
> three weeks, I have enabled myself with the following items:  another Pz-20,
> Pentax FA 28-105mm lens, Pentax FA 50mm f1.7mm lens, 360fgz flashgun.  And
> whilst I was at it, I went a bit mad and also bought an Incablitz
> flashmeter, Lowepro Nova 5 Camera Bag, SLS 160ws monolight (300 effective
> ws), light stand, softbox, umbrella, carry bag.  Phew!

That Nova 5 can weigh rather a lot when full.  You really _don't_ want
to be carrying it if you can avoid it.  Gave myself some quite
unpleasant back problems after using one for a while.

mike

Re: OT: Whines

[Tanya Mayer Photography]

Everclear - don't know about the drink, but they are one of my favourite
bands! lol.

tan.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mat Maessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Whines


> Not sure about car windows, but it certainly makes a good cleaning
> solvent...
> Something about a liquor that's 190 proof...
>
> -Mat
>
> mike wilson wrote:
> > Everclear sounds like something you use to clean car windows on frosty
> > mornings.  Or that you use for nasal congestion.  Am I wrong?
> >
> > mike
> > who likes apple drinks.
>
>

Re: SAFOX VIII problems?

[Stan Halpin]

on 12/02/03 6:22 PM, John Francis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> I've just heard of some reported problems with the SAFOX VIII
> auto-focus with lenses wider than f4 max aperture.
> 
> Apparently the FA 50/1.4 and 28-70/2.8 are particularly prone
> to the errors, but the 80-200/2.8 also shows some problems.
> 
> Anyone else heard of this?
> 
> 

No.

What sort of problems? Hunting? Or a false-positive focus indication?

I've used the 80-200/2.8 some on the -D, I've used the Limiteds a lot.  My
only focus issue has been that the camera doesn't always pick the focus
point that I would pick. Probably half the time or more I have used manual
focusing because of that. But I wouldn't say that this is a "problem" with
the camera...

Stan

Re: SAFOX VIII problems?

[Herb Chong]

i have only one lens that doesn't fit into the category. all work more or
less the way they are supposed to. macro focusing in dim light is a bit
tricky, but i find the *ist and *istD focus faster and lock on more of the
time than my ZX-5n ever did.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:22 PM
Subject: SAFOX VIII problems?


> I've just heard of some reported problems with the SAFOX VIII
> auto-focus with lenses wider than f4 max aperture.
>
> Apparently the FA 50/1.4 and 28-70/2.8 are particularly prone
> to the errors, but the 80-200/2.8 also shows some problems.
>
> Anyone else heard of this?

Re: [SPAM] Pentax 28-105mm FA powerzoom

[Lukasz Kacperczyk]

Is it only me, or does anybody else also receive some email from PDML with a
"prefix" "[SPAM]" and a word "net" in the beginning?

regards,
Lukasz

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===
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RE: Who else?

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> BTW, in 50 years of wandering the woods, I have only met
> one wild bear. They
> avoid you as assiduous as you avoid them.

This is true, and if you do see one he will almost invariably bolt in
the opposite direction as quickly as possible. Habituated bears are
another matter.

The scariest thing I ever saw in the woods was a pack of wild boars in
SMNP. Good lord.

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