Re: DSLR/PC plateau?
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 10:01:21AM -0800, Chaso DeChaso wrote: I think the above analysis is overly reliant on the idea of the job as equivalency to 35mm (or Med Format) traditional film photography - equivalency in a variety of ways including not only resolution and such things. One quick example would be when something happens (relatively soon) such as sensors becoming not only way higher in resolution but also much more light-sensitive than film. Among other things, this would allow both digital-only (non optical) zoom and total depth of field. Now how, in the Holy Name of Optics, would one achieve Total Depth of Field just because the medium is digital? Or do you mean something more mundane, that a more light-sensitive medium allows for a smaller aperture than otherwise? -- ,_ /_) /| / / i e t e r/ |/ a g e l
Re: Another Bike Photo
I really like this one Frank. Great framing and composition. Nice contrast. And of course it's a pretty picture of a girl and her dog. Good job. Paul - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: OT: Another Bike Photo http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2051027 Printed full frame (hence the black abatement), so I know cropping will help. Just thought I'd see how it looks this way. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en- caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma rket%3den-ca
PUG Comments for January 14
Winter has set in with avengence here. Woke up to -23C, wind chill of around -30C, and I'm thinking, well, it can't get much worse. Then we got 4 to 6 inches of snow during the day. And, tomorrow, we're looking at a ~high~ of -20C (I know, you guys from Out West are thinking, You eastern wimps! At -20C we're thinking of putting a sweater on over our t-shirts.). So, I think I'll look at some nice warm piccies, and share my comments with the list. Now, where did we leave off? Ah yes, next is: Bear Tree Sculpture by Jan van Wijk: Another interesting interpretation of the theme. Something endearing about this one that I can't quite put my finger on. I've always wondered what to do with a photo of a sculpture. Art that depicts art. Interesting concept. Well, I think it works here. Nice detail, lots of wood grain and all that. The bear (it looks like a cub) has a great expression on it's face, and that's enhanced somewhat by the angle this was taken at, I think. I just like it! Thanks. Me and the Wind by Dave Brooks: I love this one, Dave! It deserved the prize that it won, IMHO. Lovely patterns and proportions by the open gate, the fences, the shadows of those - it just all comes together in a most pleasing way. The horse off in the distance, out to the side of the image really snaps it all in for me. It's in ~just~ the right place, not too conspicuous, but there, if you know what I mean. And, your choice of bw was perfect - it wouldn't have worked in colour. Terrific shot, this. Did you develop it yourself, Dave? Stripes by Ann Sanfedele: The unusual angle of the zebras is what makes it. I'm so used to seeing them from the side, seeing them from the front with those stripes curving around their bodies like that is quite surreal. And, what serendipity, getting all three of them looking right at you! Again, this could ~only~ be a bw shot - Tri-X is the perfect (only?) choice for this one. As an aside, We're No Angels (the Humphrey Bogart, Peter Ustinov, Aldo Ray version) is one of my favourite movies of all time! Took me a while to get the joke (prison uniforms with stripes - striped zebras vbg) - sometimes I'm slow on the uptake. Oh yeah, before I forget, I love the bokeh on this one! It's mesmerizing. Thanks for this one, Ann! Thru the Looking Glass?!?! by Tanya Mayer: When I looked at the thumbs, this (along with a few others) jumped out at me as spectacular. Opening it hasn't changed my opinion at all; it's only reinforced it. It's hard to pick a favourite, as this month has had so many spectacular shots, but this is in the group of favourites to be sure. This is one where, honestly, nothing I say can do it justice. Just look at it! Perfectly framed (love the lizard's angle and placement in the frame!), the streaks of rain are (I know I used it last comment) surreal, and they obscure/reveal the animal in just the right measure. Simply spectacular shot, Tan. Wow! GTP Beast by Paul Stenquist: Well, Paul, I've already mentioned this shot in another post. I like the liberal interpretation of the theme. And, you know I like cars, especially racing cars. This is another tremendous shot from this month's gallery. Panned perfectly, I especially like the way the front and back corners of the car are blurred, yet the middle is nice and sharp (you really locked in the car number!). Nice tight framing. I only now noticed the solid white line of the track boundary disects the frame, just off horizontal, about 1/3 way down - stunning touch! Again, great shot, Paul. Thanks. Well, that's it for the Themed Gallery. Next, I start on the Open Gallery. I might even get this finished by the time February PUG is up! vbg stay warm, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: DSLR future wish-list
Wow, Bob, I was laughing so hard I had to get up and take a break in the middle of your post. Still got tears in me eyes. -- Bob W wrote: Hi, OK, so I am out of date here. When I first heard of bluetooth there were things like connection to the coke machine, atm, etc. Seems I like the first info was kind of exagerated as usual. you walk within a few feet of a Coke machine. A bottle drops out and charges your credit card. Then you walk past an ATM and it dispenses your usual cash withdrawal. All the clipboard-carrying charity collectors fight the wasted junkies to get to it first. After that you walk past a cellphone shop; the kiosk inside detects your camera, prints 2 copies of all 10,000 images you thought you'd deleted, and debits your current account. It'll be great for the economy. Consumers will protest about it though, so the politicians (who are all non-executive directors of banks and telcos) will introduce an opt-in bill. After weeks of philibustering and hundreds of amendments they'll pass it as an opt-out act. If you don't want Bluetooth machines debiting you everytime you go within 5 yards of them, you will need to visit each machine and type in your personal opt-out id, and PIN. For security reasons each device will require you to have a different id and PIN. When you get home you find 17 trucks queuing up outside your house waiting to delivery 120 tons of maize and soya beans. Your fridge ordered £10- worth of mixed, fresh vegetables, but you were the only person in the country who guessed wrong when it was time to tick the 'uncheck if you don't want to enter opt-out of non-GM radiation-enhanced foods non-receival mode' box. So they've sent it all to you. What a great world. Earlier today I was deleting junk email on my PC when my home phone rang. I picked it up and it was somebody cold-calling, trying to find out how much I paid for my mobile. Just then the mobile vibrated; I looked at it - it was a junk call. Somebody knocked on the door. I got rid of the cold caller on my landline, waded through the free newspapers, pizza and curry menus someone had shoved through the letterbox earlier and opened the door. Somebody wanting to sell me washing-up brushes at exorbitant prices. For over 5 minutes I did nothing but fend off the crap we're assaulted with. Jeez! What a wonderful world we've built for ourselves. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: DSLR/PC plateau?
only in science fiction. you can't make a lens that can stand that much magnification and there is a fixed amount of thermal noise that can't be gotten around. Herb - Original Message - From: Chaso DeChaso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: DSLR/PC plateau? One quick example would be when something happens (relatively soon) such as sensors becoming not only way higher in resolution but also much more light-sensitive than film. Among other things, this would allow both digital-only (non optical) zoom and total depth of field. Software after the fact would allow you to select the focal plane and bokeh. When something like this happens all of the sudden everyone will need to do it and almost everyone apart from me will be saying Do you think I am going to lug around a 300mm f/2.8 when the guy next to me can do all the same stuff with a 50mm f/1.4..that's CRzy!
Re: OT: Kodak APS cameras
did they every use nitrate base for still camera film? that would limit the life of a lot of negatives. Herb - Original Message - From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: Re: OT: Kodak APS cameras Interestingly, Creative Memories tech people have determined that APS negs will last longer than 35mm negs. And it's not because of the can, either. Apparently there is a real difference in the film material itself.
Re: Used DSLR prices
and adjust your Photoshop memory settings. the default is to use half your physical RAM at most before swapping. if you have enough, you should set it to much higher than 50%. i use 80% on my 1G machine. Herb - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Used DSLR prices If you have to swap to disk, then putting the Photoshop scratch space on a different physical drive takes some of the pain away. But it's far better to have enough memory in the first place, and never going to disk at all. Even the fastest disk transfer speed is still much slower than main memory speeds. Try to get more memory first; a second drive is a palliative, not a solution.
Re: *ist D file serial# problem
i would settle for a reset on demand to 0001 from a Setup menu. setting to a specific value is even better. Herb - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: *ist D file serial# problem It would be nice (and it looks necessary) to be able to pre-set the file serial#.
OT: ID a photo; Settle an Argument
Someone here must know this: In the early 60's (maybe '61?) Life Magazine published a famous photo of a boy hearing for the first time. The look of joy and astonishment on his face is unbelievable. My roomate and I are at loggerheads. She says he's hearing for the first time due to a new hearing aid. I say that yes, he was wearing a hearing aid, but the ability to hear is due to a cochlear implant. Can anyone recall the photographer? The issue of Life? (Most importantly) Whether I'm right? I've tried googling this, to no avail. tanx, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: ID a photo; Settle an Argument
This would be close for a cochlear implant. My mother had one in the early 70's and they were pretty rare even then. Bill - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:26 PM Subject: OT: ID a photo; Settle an Argument Someone here must know this: In the early 60's (maybe '61?) Life Magazine published a famous photo of a boy hearing for the first time. The look of joy and astonishment on his face is unbelievable. My roomate and I are at loggerheads. She says he's hearing for the first time due to a new hearing aid. I say that yes, he was wearing a hearing aid, but the ability to hear is due to a cochlear implant. Can anyone recall the photographer? The issue of Life? (Most importantly) Whether I'm right? I've tried googling this, to no avail. tanx, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Another digital storage device
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Re: DSLR/PC plateau?
You can take care of thermal noise (to a point) by cooling the sensor with something like liquid nitrogen - not that this is very practical unless you are using a telescope. At a given temperature, smaller pixels and higher iso will result in more thermal noise. Lens performance will always be limited by diffraction effects, so hold onto your 300/2.8. What can be counted on (IMHO) is that sensors will continue to get larger and cheaper. -Scott On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 19:37, Herb Chong wrote: only in science fiction. you can't make a lens that can stand that much magnification and there is a fixed amount of thermal noise that can't be gotten around. Herb - Original Message - From: Chaso DeChaso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: DSLR/PC plateau? One quick example would be when something happens (relatively soon) such as sensors becoming not only way higher in resolution but also much more light-sensitive than film. Among other things, this would allow both digital-only (non optical) zoom and total depth of field. Software after the fact would allow you to select the focal plane and bokeh. When something like this happens all of the sudden everyone will need to do it and almost everyone apart from me will be saying Do you think I am going to lug around a 300mm f/2.8 when the guy next to me can do all the same stuff with a 50mm f/1.4..that's CRzy!
Re: PUG Comments for January 14
frank theriault wrote: Stripes by Ann Sanfedele: The unusual angle of the zebras is what makes it. I'm so used to seeing them from the side, seeing them from the front with those stripes curving around their bodies like that is quite surreal. And, what serendipity, getting all three of them looking right at you! Again, this could ~only~ be a bw shot - Tri-X is the perfect (only?) choice for this one. As an aside, We're No Angels (the Humphrey Bogart, Peter Ustinov, Aldo Ray version) is one of my favourite movies of all time! Took me a while to get the joke (prison uniforms with stripes - striped zebras vbg) - sometimes I'm slow on the uptake. Oh yeah, before I forget, I love the bokeh on this one! It's mesmerizing. Thanks for this one, Ann! You're Welcome, Frank :) Thanks for getting the joke! (The specific joke, as opposed to the general prison suit one :)) Glad you like shot... I did see the later DeNiro film, thinking it really was going to be a remake of the other one, disappointed it wasn't. BTW, I deleted everything in PUG earlier today after looking at your lady cyclist, before I had a chance to hit reply and say I didn't think you needed to crop at all... I liked that one quite a lot just as it is. annsan
Re: DSLR/PC plateau?
Scott Nelson wrote: You can take care of thermal noise (to a point) by cooling the sensor with something like liquid nitrogen - not that this is very practical unless you are using a telescope. At a given temperature, smaller pixels and higher iso will result in more thermal noise. Actually, there are quite a few systems using LN cooled sensors in use in industrial and gov't applications. I had the chance to look at some of thse a few months ago. Quite impressive results... Packaging was a lot smaller than I had anticipated. Otis Wright Lens performance will always be limited by diffraction effects, so hold onto your 300/2.8. What can be counted on (IMHO) is that sensors will continue to get larger and cheaper. -Scott On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 19:37, Herb Chong wrote: only in science fiction. you can't make a lens that can stand that much magnification and there is a fixed amount of thermal noise that can't be gotten around. Herb - Original Message - From: Chaso DeChaso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: DSLR/PC plateau? One quick example would be when something happens (relatively soon) such as sensors becoming not only way higher in resolution but also much more light-sensitive than film. Among other things, this would allow both digital-only (non optical) zoom and total depth of field. Software after the fact would allow you to select the focal plane and bokeh. When something like this happens all of the sudden everyone will need to do it and almost everyone apart from me will be saying Do you think I am going to lug around a 300mm f/2.8 when the guy next to me can do all the same stuff with a 50mm f/1.4..that's CRzy!
OT: Cotty, have a beer on me
Hi all, I've finally done it. My brand spanking new G5 Powermac arrived today. I bought the single 1.6GHz version as NZ mac prices are somewhat higher than in the US (that's called an understatement). Why did I switch? Well, 10 years+ of using PCs is probably all I need to say :) The thought of having to Windows XP is too hideous to contemplate. I'm sure this thing was meant to come with X 10.3; I'll have to pressure the supplier for a free upgrade. I must have Expose`! Tomorrow I'll order Photoshop CS and a Gb of RAM to go with it. Cheers, - Dave PS - please let me know if this message arrives HTML formatted. I haven't yet found an option to set plain text so I'm just going to cross my fingers for now.
