Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread John Coyle
Shel, I would strongly advocate not freezing film, but simply fridging it.
I read many years ago that freezing could lead to some emulsions cracking on
loading, but that may be a myth!  I keep mine in the fridge, at about 5°C,
and have used film up to four years old with no discernible deterioration.

HTH
John Coyle
Praxis Data Solutions (www.epraxisdata.com)
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 3:08 PM
Subject: Freezing BW Film


 How long can slow to 400 speed BW film be kept frozen without losing
 speed or fogging? Is there an ideal temperature for freezing film?

 shel




Re: Another digital storage device

2004-01-16 Thread John Francis
 
 Actually, I asked if anyone knew of one of these with a DVD-R.   A 
 DVD-ROM is not a DVD-R.   Nothing imprecise about it.

I can show you several hardware product descriptions that
distinguish between DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD+/-R and DVD+/-RW,
but which all describe different read-only devices.

Just because something can read DVDs doesn't mean it can
read DVD-R, so a drive is often described as being a DVD-R
(unit if it can read them; it doesn't have to be a writer.
Sure seems to me that there's a lack of precision there.

It's rather like it was in the early days of CDs, when not
all CD drives could read CD-R (or CD-RW) media.



Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Dag T
If that was true most of my films would have cracked, not only from 
freezing during storage, but some of them also from use in similar 
temperatures.

There is, however, a story of a Norwegian expedition to Antarctica 
where they used an LX being modified to roll the film the opposite way 
around the spool in the camera to avoid cracking, but the temperatures 
may be well below the temperature in the freezer.

 If the film holds freezer temperatures during use I´d be careful with 
winders and motor drives.

DagT

På 16. jan. 2004 kl. 08.20 skrev John Coyle:

Shel, I would strongly advocate not freezing film, but simply fridging 
it.
I read many years ago that freezing could lead to some emulsions 
cracking on
loading, but that may be a myth! 



Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Freezing will not physically harm the film if the film is
properly thawed before use.


John Coyle wrote:
 
 Shel, I would strongly advocate not freezing film, but simply fridging it.
 I read many years ago that freezing could lead to some emulsions cracking on
 loading, but that may be a myth!  I keep mine in the fridge, at about 5°C,
 and have used film up to four years old with no discernible deterioration.
 
 HTH
 John Coyle



Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
The film will be warmed to above freezing before use.  The
use of a motor or a winder would be an exception rather than
a normal occurrence.  I know that film can be used without
cracking in freezing temperature.

One of the things I really love about this list is that when
a question is asked, even if there's no direct response to
it, all sorts of other information and opinions are brought
to light ;-))

Dag T wrote:
 
 If that was true most of my films would have cracked, not only from
 freezing during storage, but some of them also from use in similar
 temperatures.
 
 There is, however, a story of a Norwegian expedition to Antarctica
 where they used an LX being modified to roll the film the opposite way
 around the spool in the camera to avoid cracking, but the temperatures
 may be well below the temperature in the freezer.
 
   If the film holds freezer temperatures during use I´d be careful with
 winders and motor drives.



Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I've kept film frozen at about -20C for years and years. Some 16mm BW film
was about 15 years old when I used it. The result was as good as that from
new film. I still keep all my film in the freezer amongst the ice cream,
fish, ham and the rest. The thermometer reads about -18C. There are some
rolls of Fuji colour film 120 in there that were bought in 1989. But I have
no camera for that format now. I have never had a film crack. Just make sure
yours has reached ambient temperature before you load it.

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- Original Message - 
From: Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Freezing BW Film


 If that was true most of my films would have cracked, not only from
 freezing during storage, but some of them also from use in similar
 temperatures.

 There is, however, a story of a Norwegian expedition to Antarctica
 where they used an LX being modified to roll the film the opposite way
 around the spool in the camera to avoid cracking, but the temperatures
 may be well below the temperature in the freezer.

   If the film holds freezer temperatures during use I´d be careful with
 winders and motor drives.

 DagT

 På 16. jan. 2004 kl. 08.20 skrev John Coyle:

  Shel, I would strongly advocate not freezing film, but simply fridging
  it.
  I read many years ago that freezing could lead to some emulsions
  cracking on
  loading, but that may be a myth!




Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Rebekah wrote:

 called. :o) Anyways, I was wondering if anyone knew of another *thing*
 that I could put at the end of my lens so that I could screw on a uv
 filter or something.

There is this thing called Reverse Ring Light Holder K, which is
used so as to attach a Ring Flash to a reversed K-mount lens. I have
ordered one but it has not arrived yet, so I cannot be sure, but the
ring attaches normally to the filter thread, so it could be that the
holder is what you need.

With respect to the usability of the setup, I have taken handheld
pictures with the M75-150/4 reversed, holding the MZ-50 with one hand
and the Cobra AF750 on the other. OK, so, it was me who took them so
they cannot be that good, but one can always do better :-)

HTH,
Kostas



Re: Freezing BW film

2004-01-16 Thread mike.wilson
Hi,

DagT wrote:

 There is, however, a story of a Norwegian expedition to Antarctica where they used 
 an LX being modified to
 roll the film the opposite way around the spool in the camera to avoid cracking, but 
 the temperatures may be
 well below the temperature in the freezer.

Tell me more, tell me more

m



Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 15/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

A question to you guys:
Ok, so my dad lent me this *thing* that allows me to screw my lens onto
my camera backwards, thus enabling me to take really close up shots,
kinda like the cheap version of macro. Sorry I don't what this is
called. :o) 

It's called a reversing ring. Pretty obvious in retrospect, but then
most things are ;-)

Anyways, I was wondering if anyone knew of another *thing*
that I could put at the end of my lens so that I could screw on a uv
filter or something. You see, it would basically have to be like the
mounting part of the camera on one half and a screw ring on the other
half. All this is because having my lens out in the open like that gets
me pretty nervous. I'm somewhat prone to breaking things.

Hmm. Never thought of that but it does kind of make sense for a
protective filter. I don't think any such device exists as an
off-the-shelf item. You'd probably have to get something custom made. 
Ask Cotty if he'll do it for you! g

LOL.

Well, there's obviously a market for it. A very small market, it has ti
be said, but a market none the less.




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  Cotty


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Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Herb Chong
the ones recommended are the double element types from either Nikon or
Canon. i don't know if anyone else makes them that are easily obtainable.
they are more expensive than ordinary single element closeup lenses.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:11 PM
Subject: RE: cheap macro


 Actually, I talked to my dad about buying that type of lens, however, he
 says that they are distorted and don't focus very well. I tried one out
 and found that I didn't like it very much, and while reversing my lens
 does give me a quite limited focus range, I like it a lot. How do you
 find that the close up lenses work for you?
 Rebekah




Re: when 16-45 ?

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 15/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

Isn't it a 14-45? I'm excited for it too, the 14mm on the *istD will be 21mm
equiv. Very wide :) Oh, and I have the same question, when does it hit the
US?

The headline news in this week's AP is 'Pentax reveals digital SLE lens'
and goes onto escribe the up and coming SMC Pentax-DA 16-45mm f/4 ED AL
lens. According to the article it is expected 'in the spring' with no
released price as of yet. Apparently the lens can be used on Pentax film-
based SLRs, but will not cover the full 35mm frame (so what point there?).

Interestingly, the article includes:

'Pentax has not ruled out the launch of a second digital SLR at the
upcoming PMA trade show'.

Could this be the possible announcement of the baby D ?




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Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

How long can slow to 400 speed BW film be kept frozen without losing
speed or fogging? Is there an ideal temperature for freezing film?

shel

Crikey, Shel, you're really getting into this digital thang boy



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OT: Moisture muncher lenses

2004-01-16 Thread Ryan Lee
Hey panel..
I've very probably got a silly question here- hope the ignorance doesn't
freak someone out. I bought a small iM2100 Stormcase today (much like a
Pelican). Anyway, while shaping the foam inside, I came to the issue of
placing the desiccant (but a few packets of Moisture Munchers).
Unfortunately, I don't have too much space to play around with so can't
really give it a slot of its own without being less comfortable with padding
elsewhere. I was wondering if there should be any reason not to place the
packet (roughly mid palm to tip of middle finger lengthwise, and 4 fingers
wide) directly under a lens (as in to have the lens sitting on it in the
slot). Should there be some kind of buffer between them?

Regards,
Ryan

PS. Anyone got any interesting hardcase stories?





Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Freezing BW Film


 How long can slow to 400 speed BW film be kept frozen without losing
 speed or fogging? Is there an ideal temperature for freezing film?

If you are over 40, then you can keep it frozen pretty much longer than you
will be around to use it.
For really long term storage, you want your freezer in a basement though.

William Robb



Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Rfsindg
I've frozen film for the past 20 years with no problems, color slide and 
print films from Kodak.  The pro's at the 2 day Nikon seminar said No problem, 
just give it 4-5 hours to reach room temperatures before you use it.  

I've bought 20 roll bricks at a discount or short dated film and frozen it 
since then.  I think the only thing that deteriorates is the film base itself as 
it is made up of old cow bones.  The comment was that Kodak was the biggest 
buyer of cow bones in the USA.

Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If that was true most of my films would have cracked, not only from 
freezing during storage, but some of them also from use in similar 
temperatures.

There is, however, a story of a Norwegian expedition to Antarctica 
where they used an LX being modified to roll the film the opposite way 
around the spool in the camera to avoid cracking, but the temperatures 
may be well below the temperature in the freezer.

  If the film holds freezer temperatures during use I´d be careful with 
winders and motor drives.

DagT

På 16. jan. 2004 kl. 08.20 skrev John Coyle:

 Shel, I would strongly advocate not freezing film, but simply fridging 
 it.
 I read many years ago that freezing could lead to some emulsions 
 cracking on
 loading, but that may be a myth!



Re: Sydney Digital Prints

2004-01-16 Thread Rob Studdert
On 16 Jan 2004 at 16:58, Kevin Waterson wrote:

 Does anyone know of a commecial body in Sydney that I can upload
 images on the web and have the prints mailed to my client?

http://pixelperfect.com.au/

..and they'll even mail the prints to Finland :-)

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: OT:Film lives,Kodak cameras dont

2004-01-16 Thread brooksdj
Frank Penned 
 As an aside, Dave:  Did ya have fun driving home in the snow?  I was cycling 
 home in it at about 5pm.  Mind you, I was going faster than the cars.  
 Looked like the abominable snowman by the time I got to the door!  Also got 
 a photo of my bike on the front porch in the dark, covered in the 2 or 3 
 inches of snow that fell in the two hour span after I arrived.  Should be a 
 cool shot, if it turns out.
 
 cheers,
 frank
Actually it was not to bad.Being out of the city i did not have to battle any major
hiways.I can take back 
roads and farm lanesg pretty much all the way home,but it is slower than normal 
during
snow 
days.Roads are more icy than anything else and when the wind blows across the open
farms.look out.
Still want to do a topdml up here now.LOL

Looking forward to seeing the snow bike.

Dave




Re: when 16-45 ?

2004-01-16 Thread Rob Studdert
On 16 Jan 2004 at 11:25, Cotty wrote:

 Could this be the possible announcement of the baby D ?

Nah, Papa D

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Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Christian
I used the Nikon Close-up lenses for quite some time.  They really do give
very good results.

Christian

- Original Message - 
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: cheap macro


 the ones recommended are the double element types from either Nikon or
 Canon. i don't know if anyone else makes them that are easily obtainable.
 they are more expensive than ordinary single element closeup lenses.

 Herb...
 - Original Message - 
 From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:11 PM
 Subject: RE: cheap macro


  Actually, I talked to my dad about buying that type of lens, however, he
  says that they are distorted and don't focus very well. I tried one out
  and found that I didn't like it very much, and while reversing my lens
  does give me a quite limited focus range, I like it a lot. How do you
  find that the close up lenses work for you?
  Rebekah





Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
Yeah, Pentax makes (made?) them too.  I have one - I think it's one, maybe a 
couple, I don't remember the number(s) on it(them).  Not a true macro 
though.  Nice close-ups, though...

-frank

The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: cheap macro
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:06:05 -0800
Great suggestion ... i totally forget about such lenses.

Andre Langevin wrote:

 I'd say the easiest macro is done by screwing a close-up lens in
 front of your normal lens, much preferably an achromatic close-up
 lens, made of two elements.  Minolta makes them in 49mm size. [...]
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Pentax *ist D question from a newbie

2004-01-16 Thread lazarus
Hello,
 I'd like to say thanks to everyone for being so easy going and kind
to folks who are new to this group.  It is great to see such an
experienced/educated set of folks treat newbies with so much kindness.
It is also a wonder to see such a clean mailing list since the yahoo
groups are so filled with trash nowadays!

In anycase, I'm certain that I should probably have done a bit more
homework before posting this note, but I'm about to burst at the seems
with excitement at getting the *ist D.  However, I'm doing my best at
making a cautious purchase.  You see I have the pentax ZX-7 which I use
to mainly to:

1. Shoot pics of family and friends using a wide angle lens (I'm at the
office and don't have any lens specs and none are PRO type of lens)
2. Close-ups of the garden plants/flowers with my macro lens
3. Shoot pics of Birds/Insects using my zoom lens

I love to shoot pictures but simply as a hobby.   I shoot tons of pics
with the hope of getting at least 2 or 3 great ones from a roll (if that
many)   I haven't had any formal training in photography so I depend on
the Automatic Settings which the camera has.  In reading the article in
Photographic Mag. this month, the article states that these Automatic
Settings (Macro, Sports, Portrait and such) are not included as settings
in the *ist D.  This leads me to believe that I'll have an autofocus
only
and that I'll have to learn the correct settings for the different photo
shoots.  I don't mind having to take a course in order to better
understand all the different settings, but as I said this is really just
a fun hobby for me and I'm concerned to put 1700 into a hobby which I
may never master as some of you obviously have.

The reason I'm looking at the Pentax line is that I've already got so
much invested in lenses that I'd hate to have to jump over to another
brand.  This would mean buying a Digital and Film SLR (for backup) and a
new set of lenses.

If the answer is to ditch the Pentax line, any suggestions for another
set of SLRs would be great.  This will give me something to start
looking at while I read your other posts.

Sorry for the long winded post, but I hope that some of ya'll can help.
Thanks!

Regards,  Rod
To be matter of fact about the world is to blunder into fantasy -- and
dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful.
--RAH



Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Christian

- Original Message - 
From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Anyways, I was wondering if anyone knew of another *thing*
 that I could put at the end of my lens so that I could screw on a uv
 filter or something. You see, it would basically have to be like the
 mounting part of the camera on one half and a screw ring on the other
 half. All this is because having my lens out in the open like that gets
 me pretty nervous. I'm somewhat prone to breaking things.

I used a rear lens cap, cut the center out of it and epoxied a filter ring
(a step-up or step-down ring would work) to it.  I have no intention of
using a filter, instead I attach a ring light to the reversed lens.

Pentax makes a ring light adapter for reversed lenses which basically works
in the same way.

If you really want to get into macro photography, check out John Shaw's book
Closeups in Nature  He goes through multiple techniques and has great
ideas.

Christian



Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
Of course, if she had an extension tube...

(think about it for a minute vbg)

cheers,
frank
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fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Gaffer-tape the filter to the camera end of a short extension tube? :-)

S

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Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie

2004-01-16 Thread brooksdj
Comments below:
Oh and Hi Rod.   Hello,
  I'd like to say thanks to everyone for being so easy going and kind
 to folks who are new to this group.  It is great to see such an
 experienced/educated set of folks treat newbies with so much kindness.
 It is also a wonder to see such a clean mailing list since the yahoo
 groups are so filled with trash nowadays!
 
 In anycase, I'm certain that I should probably have done a bit more
 homework before posting this note, but I'm about to burst at the seems
 with excitement at getting the *ist D.  However, I'm doing my best at
 making a cautious purchase.  You see I have the pentax ZX-7 which I use
 to mainly to:
 
 1. Shoot pics of family and friends using a wide angle lens (I'm at the
 office and don't have any lens specs and none are PRO type of lens)
 2. Close-ups of the garden plants/flowers with my macro lens
 3. Shoot pics of Birds/Insects using my zoom lens

You'll find the list has a number of macro shooters as well as many other
specilties.Someone can 
always come up with an answer hereg
 
 I love to shoot pictures but simply as a hobby.   I shoot tons of pics
 with the hope of getting at least 2 or 3 great ones from a roll (if that
 many)   I haven't had any formal training in photography so I depend on
 the Automatic Settings which the camera has.  In reading the article in
 Photographic Mag. this month, the article states that these Automatic
 Settings (Macro, Sports, Portrait and such) are not included as settings
 in the *ist D.  This leads me to believe that I'll have an autofocus
 only
 and that I'll have to learn the correct settings for the different photo
 shoots. 

No i believe manual and auto focusing is available.At least with the starkist you can
preview right a 
way and see if what you are doing is working.
Main thing is to have fun and shoot.:-)
 I don't mind having to take a course in order to better
 understand all the different settings, but as I said this is really just
 a fun hobby for me and I'm concerned to put 1700 into a hobby which I
 may never master as some of you obviously have.
 
 The reason I'm looking at the Pentax line is that I've already got so
 much invested in lenses that I'd hate to have to jump over to another
 brand.  This would mean buying a Digital and Film SLR (for backup) and a
 new set of lenses.
 
Its my understanding the equivalent Nikon,the D100,has the same sensor as the 
starkist,so
i cannot 
see anyadvantage to move to Nikon if you already have Pentax or equivalent glass.

 If the answer is to ditch the Pentax line, any suggestions for another
 set of SLRs would be great.  This will give me something to start
 looking at while I read your other posts.

The folks who have the camera here on the list seem pleased with it,especially now that
Pentax has 
upgraded its firmware.They'll be piping up soon.
 
 Sorry for the long winded post, but I hope that some of ya'll can help.
 Thanks!
 
 Regards,  Rod

Dave(digital and film guy)Brooks





Pentax filters

2004-01-16 Thread Mark Roberts
I just put up a web page with the response curves for Pentax filters.
http://www.robertstech.com/filters.htm
I'll add more stuff to it later.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Well, not xactly ... if there's a chance that some of the
bw emulsions I like are gonna disappear, I want to stock
up.  Still have quite a bit of Agfa APX 25 in the freezer,
for example.

Of course, when I get completely fed up with the digicam I'm
now using, I may buy a dslr, but only if it comes with a
cheese grate and a fondue attachment.  I think you guys put
too much emphasis on lenses.

Cotty wrote:

 Crikey, Shel, you're really getting into this digital thang boy



Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Steve Jolly
frank theriault wrote:
Of course, if she had an extension tube...

(think about it for a minute vbg)
Yep ;-)

S



Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Anyways, I was wondering if anyone knew of another *thing*
 that I could put at the end of my lens so that I could screw on a uv
 filter or something. You see, it would basically have to be like the
 mounting part of the camera on one half and a screw ring on the other
 half. All this is because having my lens out in the open like that gets
 me pretty nervous. I'm somewhat prone to breaking things.

I used a rear lens cap, cut the center out of it and epoxied a filter ring
(a step-up or step-down ring would work) to it. 

Brilliant, Christian! That's the way to go for doing this on a budget!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



OT: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
Well, I shouldn't say another, that does sound a bit pretentious, as I 
really haven't had much in the way of shows, other than a few cafes, but 
what the hell, a show's a show.  This one's really cool, though.  But first, 
some background.

I was reading Mike Johnston's on line articles about putting together a 
portfolio.  He also had a couple of articles in the mag he writes a column 
for (is it Black and White Magazine?  It's British anyway).  So, I decided 
to put one together.  A got a nice display album for 8x10's, and went with 
the don't go for a theme, just put in your best shots idea.  Mike said 
either approach is valid;  it's up to each individual to decide.  So, that's 
what I did.

Last week, I was invited to dinner at a friend's place.  I was at a party 
back in the fall at his house, and took a roll or two at the party.  So, I 
thought they might enjoy the party photos, which were only on contacts.  I 
put the contacts in the album, right at the end.  Everyone liked the party 
contacts, but then (as I was hoping they would say g) said, Hey, can I 
see your other stuff?  I of course, was more than happy to oblige.

One of the guests knew of a cafe/restaurant that is always looking for new 
art, and he said he'd give them a call to see if he could hook us up.  So, I 
went to meet with the cafe owner last night, portfolio in hand, and he liked 
it.  Wants 12 pieces up on the wall in about two weeks.  Liked one shot (my 
Asian Girl)

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1639375size=lg

so much that he suggested that I blow it up bigger than the rest, as sort of 
a centre piece (the way the wall space is, that sort of thing will work).  
This guy already has lots of art up on his walls, but no photographs, so he 
seemed really interested in getting some stuff up there.

Another thing he said he does, is often when he has musicians play there, 
he'll feature one of the artists as well, have the artist there, sort of 
introduce him/her to the crowd, that sort of thing.  He said that a several 
sales have been a direct result of that sort of thing.

So, I guess I have to get busy.  Two weeks ain't much time, is it?

cheers,
frank


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Photoshop performance (was: Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 14/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

If you have to swap to disk, then putting the Photoshop scratch space
on a different physical drive takes some of the pain away.  But it's
far better to have enough memory in the first place, and never going
to disk at all.  Even the fastest disk transfer speed is still much
slower than main memory speeds.  Try to get more memory first; a second
drive is a palliative, not a solution.

As I understand the way Photoshop works, this is not correct. It is not
the user that decides if Photoshop has to swap to disk, it is Photoshop.
And it will readily do so depending on a number of factors including
levels of history vs file size etc. I am prepared to stand corrected, but
I am pretty certain that it works this way. Hard drive speed is not as
important as some indicate; Photoshop craftily utilises the Scratch
Disk(s) to enable optimum performance. Using a second drive is very
important - selecting the startup disk as a Scratch Disk will slow
performance.

Fire away!




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Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Christian

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I used a rear lens cap, cut the center out of it and epoxied a filter
ring
 (a step-up or step-down ring would work) to it.

 Brilliant, Christian! That's the way to go for doing this on a budget!

 -- 
 Mark Roberts

Just don't tell Doc Williams ;-)

Christian



Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie

2004-01-16 Thread Chris Brogden
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, lazarus wrote:

 In reading the article in Photographic Mag. this month, the article
 states that these Automatic Settings (Macro, Sports, Portrait and such)
 are not included as settings in the *ist D.  This leads me to believe
 that I'll have an autofocus only and that I'll have to learn the correct
 settings for the different photo shoots.

The automatic modes you mention (macro, portrait, etc.) only affect your
exposure, not your focusing.  They're a way of telling the camera what
type of photo you're taking so it can set your shutter speed and aperture
more effectively.  Even while you're using those modes, you can still
focus however you like on the MZ-7: automatically or manually.

The *istD doesn't have all those specialty program modes, but it does
offer a single program mode.  It's still fully automatic, and it still
picks both your shutter speed and aperture for you.  You can still use it
like a point-and-shoot if you want, although you won't have quite as much
control over how your depth of field comes out as you would with different
program modes.  Since focusing is independent of exposure, you can focus
both automatically and manually on the *istD, regardless of what exposure
mode you're in.

chris



Re: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread Bill Owens
Congratulations Frank.

 Another thing he said he does, is often when he has musicians play there,
 he'll feature one of the artists as well, have the artist there, sort of
 introduce him/her to the crowd, that sort of thing.  He said that a
several
 sales have been a direct result of that sort of thing.

Does this mean free beer?  :-)

Bill




Re: Photoshop performance

2004-01-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
You're absolutely correct, Cotty ... the way one uses levels
can increase file size substantially, as you say the number
of history levels one is using, initial file size, whether
one or more files is open (it's not unusual to work with a
duplicate of the file on which you're actually making
corrections and adjustments, memory allocated to the
operating system, whether or not other programs are open,
and so on.

And something else that is often overlooked: the windows
paging or swap file should not be on the same disk as the
scratch disk, especially if the file is set up as a dynamic
file, which grows and shrinks, and moves around on the
disk.  That can very easily cause a conflict with the PS
scratch files if the two must be on the same disk.

I inadvertently had a conflict between the two, before I
knew about the scratch disk really needing its own space,
and believe me, it was not a pleasant event.

The thing is that it may not always be possible to have
enough memory with PS, so it's ALWAYS better to have a
second drive for the scratch.

shel 100% in agreement

Cotty wrote:
 
 On 14/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
 
 If you have to swap to disk, then putting the Photoshop scratch space
 on a different physical drive takes some of the pain away.  But it's
 far better to have enough memory in the first place, and never going
 to disk at all.  Even the fastest disk transfer speed is still much
 slower than main memory speeds.  Try to get more memory first; a second
 drive is a palliative, not a solution.
 
 As I understand the way Photoshop works, this is not correct. It is not
 the user that decides if Photoshop has to swap to disk, it is Photoshop.
 And it will readily do so depending on a number of factors including
 levels of history vs file size etc. I am prepared to stand corrected, but
 I am pretty certain that it works this way. Hard drive speed is not as
 important as some indicate; Photoshop craftily utilises the Scratch
 Disk(s) to enable optimum performance. Using a second drive is very
 important - selecting the startup disk as a Scratch Disk will slow
 performance.



Re: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
It might.  Question is:  how do I smuggle it out of the bar, across the 
border, and down to GFM?  g

-frank

The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
Does this mean free beer?  :-)

Bill


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Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread graywolf
Actually, in my experience even the cheap close-up lenses work okay, IF you 
stop the lens down to f16 or so.

--

John Coyle wrote:
Rebekah, I have used close-up lenses many times, and I find that good
quality ones are fine.  Focussing ease is not affected, as the lens is still
used, but of course your focussing range and DOf are much more limited.  No
doubt thare are some bottom of a bottle versions available, but those from
a good lens-maker should be OK.

- Original Message - 
From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Actually, I talked to my dad about buying that type of lens, however, he
says that they are distorted and don't focus very well. I tried one out
and found that I didn't like it very much, and while reversing my lens
does give me a quite limited focus range, I like it a lot. How do you
find that the close up lenses work for you?
Rebekah


--
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you are not going to be able to change them anyway.



Re: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-16 Thread graywolf
Complaints? Through the exterior door on the 27th floor. You have until you hit 
the ground to explain your problem. Once they hit the ground, most folks find 
their problems solved.

--

Chris Brogden wrote:

They don't actually provide email addresses you can use.  You have to go
through their stupid menu systems, read their stupid help pages, and try
to find out which stupid links take you to a feedback form page and which
stupid links take you to yet more stupid help pages.


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.



Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie

2004-01-16 Thread lazarus
Thanks folks for getting me straightened out here...

  My terminology is weak so I appreciate being corrected on not using
the word exposure in reference to the smart modes.
  Also, I'm glad to see that it doesn't sound like I'll have too steep
of a learning curve in dealing with the lack of Smart modes.  This had
me a bit concerned.
  A few other questions for you guys...
1.  Do my remotes (wired and wireless) for my ZX-7 work with the *istD? 
I love the wireless remote when taking group pictures so that I can
include myself!
2.  Has anyone had experience with the battery grip?  I have one for my
ZX-7 and love it.  It gives the camera a bit of extra weight which helps
in keeping the camera steady along with making it bigger and easier to
hold.

Thanks!
Rod



Re: Smart Settings on the *istD

2004-01-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
What if the subject changes direction quickly?  Will
predictive AF be of any use in that situation?

arnie wrote:
 
 the ist D does have predictive AF that anticipate subject movement.



Re: List Down?

2004-01-16 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
Everything's fine here, only around 1 K messages to read ;-)

And no - you haven't been kicked off the list, cause I wouldn't get your
mail.

regards,
Lukasz

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Re: Smart Settings on the *istD

2004-01-16 Thread arnie
i've been wondering about that myself, but haven't had a chance to try it.

arnie

- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Smart Settings on the *istD


 What if the subject changes direction quickly?  Will
 predictive AF be of any use in that situation?
 
 arnie wrote:
  
  the ist D does have predictive AF that anticipate subject movement.
 



Re: Photoshop performance (was: Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-16 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
Cotty wrote:
 
 As I understand the way Photoshop works, this is not correct. It is not
 the user that decides if Photoshop has to swap to disk, it is Photoshop.
 And it will readily do so depending on a number of factors including
 levels of history vs file size etc. I am prepared to stand corrected, but
 I am pretty certain that it works this way. Hard drive speed is not as
 important as some indicate; Photoshop craftily utilises the Scratch
 Disk(s) to enable optimum performance. Using a second drive is very
 important - selecting the startup disk as a Scratch Disk will slow
 performance.

ah, but Cotty!

just because PhotoShop for Macintosh has such elegant
interface w/ the hardware is certainly no guarantee that
an equally graceful operation is possible on all other
computer platforms

!;^DBill

-
Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast

http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie

2004-01-16 Thread Bill Owens

- Original Message - 
From: lazarus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie


 Thanks folks for getting me straightened out here...

   My terminology is weak so I appreciate being corrected on not using
 the word exposure in reference to the smart modes.
   Also, I'm glad to see that it doesn't sound like I'll have too steep
 of a learning curve in dealing with the lack of Smart modes.  This had
 me a bit concerned.
   A few other questions for you guys...
 1.  Do my remotes (wired and wireless) for my ZX-7 work with the *istD?
 I love the wireless remote when taking group pictures so that I can
 include myself!

Your wireless remote will work with the *istD,  the wired, I'm not sure, but
I think not.

 2.  Has anyone had experience with the battery grip?  I have one for my
 ZX-7 and love it.  It gives the camera a bit of extra weight which helps
 in keeping the camera steady along with making it bigger and easier to
 hold.

With the battery life being as long as it is, and considering the ability to
use AA NiMh batteries in the camera, I've decided not to purchase the grip.
On the *istD the battery grip is more of a personal preference than with the
MZ/ZX cameras.  For my use, the vertical release isn't worth the excess
cost, whereas for others it may be

Bill




Re: Smart Settings on the *istD

2004-01-16 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
Shel wrote:
 
 What if the subject changes direction quickly?  Will
 predictive AF be of any use in that situation?
 
sounds like a job for wetware to me

 activate --- little grey cells

!8^D  Bill

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RE: Photoshop performance (was: Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-16 Thread zoomshot
Bill,

There is nothing wrong with the PC interface...lets not have a
PC war

Version 8.0 is fine, as Cotty said, certainly 7 and 8 run ok with two disks.
In version 8.0 make sure that the level of detail is set to low in the
browser. You should run with 512Mb as a minimum for reasonable performance.

HTH

Regards,

Ziggy
 

-Original Message-
From: Bill D. Casselberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 16 January 2004 16:56
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Photoshop performance (was: Re: Used DSLR prices


Cotty wrote:
 
 As I understand the way Photoshop works, this is not correct. It is 
 not the user that decides if Photoshop has to swap to disk, it is 
 Photoshop. And it will readily do so depending on a number of factors 
 including levels of history vs file size etc. I am prepared to stand 
 corrected, but I am pretty certain that it works this way. Hard drive 
 speed is not as important as some indicate; Photoshop craftily 
 utilises the Scratch
 Disk(s) to enable optimum performance. Using a second drive is very
 important - selecting the startup disk as a Scratch Disk will slow
 performance.

ah, but Cotty!

just because PhotoShop for Macintosh has such elegant
interface w/ the hardware is certainly no guarantee that
an equally graceful operation is possible on all other
computer platforms

!;^DBill

-
Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast

http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
 One of the things I really love about this list is that when
 a question is asked, even if there's no direct response to
 it, all sorts of other information and opinions are brought
 to light ;-))

Yep :)

BTW, the bit of advice about using frozen (outdated) film is, after
you defreeze it, use it and develop it quickly, as it might experience
very accelerated aging. So it would be wise to freeze individual
canisters in their plastic casing, instead of e.g. freezing the whole 30.5m
rolls. I have used some outdated Sensia which I have kept frozen in a
refridgerater and it kept up fine. But it was just a year or so out of date.

Shel, are you thinking of stocking up on HP5+ or TX in case
Ilford/Kodak stop making it? What a horrible thought!

Frantisek



Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie

2004-01-16 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Bill Owens a écrit:

- Original Message - 
From: lazarus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie

 

Thanks folks for getting me straightened out here...

 My terminology is weak so I appreciate being corrected on not using
the word exposure in reference to the smart modes.
 Also, I'm glad to see that it doesn't sound like I'll have too steep
of a learning curve in dealing with the lack of Smart modes.  This had
me a bit concerned.
 A few other questions for you guys...
1.  Do my remotes (wired and wireless) for my ZX-7 work with the *istD?
I love the wireless remote when taking group pictures so that I can
include myself!
   

Your wireless remote will work with the *istD,  the wired, I'm not sure, but
I think not.
For wired remote, you must change the connector for a 2.5mm stereo jack.

Michel



Re: OT ideas, Gianfranco Irlanda

2004-01-16 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
 Yeah, but think about the chance to send the pictures of a
 demonstration to somewhere safe before something goes wrong and
 a cop breaks your camera and all your memory cards (almost been
 there...)
 Gianfranco

Yes, that would be very helpful. Been there too (almost) :-) there's a
lot to the DSLRs with double CF slots - you just give him a small and
empty card to crack keeping the pictures on the other g.

Fra



Re: Smart Settings on the *istD

2004-01-16 Thread Bob W
Hi,

 What if the subject changes direction quickly?  Will
 predictive AF be of any use in that situation?

you need Blairite AF:

I don't make predictions. I never have and I never will - Tony Blair

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Mark Cassino
I inherited a bunch of BW film from my father that had been kept in the 
refrigerator for years.  Some had expiration dates in the late 80's.  The 
only emulsion that had a problem was Kodak's High Speed Infared, which 
retained some IR capability but was really foggy.  T-Max (100  400), 
Tri-X, and Plus-X all worked fine.  I still have a few rolls of Panatomic-X 
and some Ilford emulsions yet to shoot.

I added 10% to the developing time and rated each 1/3 stop slower than 
recommended just as a hedge.

- MCC

At 09:08 PM 1/15/2004 -0800, you wrote:
How long can slow to 400 speed BW film be kept frozen without losing
speed or fogging? Is there an ideal temperature for freezing film?
shel
-

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Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

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Re: Photoshop performance (was: Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-16 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
zoomshot wrote:
 
 There is nothing wrong with the PC interface..lets not have a
 PC war 

not a chance - just funnin' around   :^)

... still using PShop v2.5.1  sys8.1 on a 90mhz PMac 7200
w/ 128meg RAM - 72meg allocated to PShop. Of course, I have
no film scanner and just scan in prints on an old 300dpi
flatbed only to get pics up on the web.
 
... stone knives  bearskins   Bill  

 
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Re: Photoshop performance (was: Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-16 Thread Bob W
Hi,

Friday, January 16, 2004, 4:55:51 PM, you wrote:

 ah, but Cotty!

 just because PhotoShop for Macintosh has such elegant
 interface w/ the hardware is certainly no guarantee that
 an equally graceful operation is possible on all other
 computer platforms

http://www.web-options.com/nerdkrieg.tif

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: when 16-45 ?

2004-01-16 Thread Rüdiger Neumann
Hallo,
in Germany, a lot of people allready got the 16-45 and are very pleased with
the performance.
regards
Rüdiger


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Datum: Freitag, 16. Januar 2004 17:03
Betreff: Re: when 16-45 ?


alex posted, among other things:
 Announcement at PMA doesn't mean that it will be for sale anytime
 soon.

or even ever. MZ-D,
anyone?




Re: when 16-45 ?

2004-01-16 Thread Rüdiger Neumann

Von: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apparently the lens can be used on Pentax film-
based SLRs, but will not cover the full 35mm frame (so what point there?).


In Germany, it was testet on a film slr, and it can be used as a 20-45 mm
Zoom.
Below 20mm it has vignetting.
regards
Rüdiger






Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Steve Jolly
Frantisek Vlcek wrote:
BTW, the bit of advice about using frozen (outdated) film is, after
you defreeze it, use it and develop it quickly, as it might experience
very accelerated aging.
Why's that then?  It seems odd to me.

S



PUG Deadline Approaching

2004-01-16 Thread Adelheid v. K.


Folks get scanning.
It's Wet outside and this month's theme

Cheers
Adelheid



Re: Photoshop performance (was: Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Same thing in WinDoze, bill ...

Bill D. Casselberry wrote:
 
 Cotty wrote:
 
  As I understand the way Photoshop works, this is not correct. It is not
  the user that decides if Photoshop has to swap to disk, it is Photoshop.
  And it will readily do so depending on a number of factors including
  levels of history vs file size etc. I am prepared to stand corrected, but
  I am pretty certain that it works this way. Hard drive speed is not as
  important as some indicate; Photoshop craftily utilises the Scratch
  Disk(s) to enable optimum performance. Using a second drive is very
  important - selecting the startup disk as a Scratch Disk will slow
  performance.
 
 ah, but Cotty!
 
 just because PhotoShop for Macintosh has such elegant
 interface w/ the hardware is certainly no guarantee that
 an equally graceful operation is possible on all other
 computer platforms
 




Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Something like that 

Frantisek Vlcek wrote:

 Shel, are you thinking of stocking up on HP5+ or TX in case
 Ilford/Kodak stop making it? What a horrible thought!



Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie

2004-01-16 Thread Steve Desjardins
If you like the grip on the 7, you'll like the one on the D.  The latter
also has a vertical shutter release, which is a button that is on top
when the camera is held sideways..  Much more comfortable when shooting
vertical formal.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
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Re: OT: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread brooksdj
Great to hear this Frank.
Keep us informed on dates and time.Maybe i can catch this one.

So far my big claim to fame is a nice rejection letter from Hallmark.:-)

Dave  
 Well, I shouldn't say another, that does 
sound a bit 
pretentious, as I 
 really haven't had much in the way of shows, other than a few cafes, but 
 what the hell, a show's a show.  This one's really cool, though.  But first, 
 some background.

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1639375size=lg
 
 So, I guess I have to get busy.  Two weeks ain't much time, is it?
 
 cheers,
 frank





Re: OT: Moisture muncher lenses

2004-01-16 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Ryan Lee wrote:

 Unfortunately, I don't have too much space to play around with so can't
 really give it a slot of its own without being less comfortable with padding
 elsewhere. I was wondering if there should be any reason not to place the
 packet (roughly mid palm to tip of middle finger lengthwise, and 4 fingers
 wide) directly under a lens (as in to have the lens sitting on it in the
 slot). Should there be some kind of buffer between them?

Not familiar with the specific brand but these substances tend to
produce dust.  You might be generating a long-term problem if you are
using the case for transport rather than stationary storage.

mike



Re: when 16-45 ?

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

The headline news in this week's AP is 'Pentax reveals digital SLE lens'

This should read: 'Pentax reveals digital SLR lens'




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Re: Freezing BW Film

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

 How long can slow to 400 speed BW film be kept frozen without losing
 speed or fogging? Is there an ideal temperature for freezing film?

If you are over 40, then you can keep it frozen pretty much longer than you
will be around to use it.

Damn, that rules me out.


Cheers,
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Re: OT: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So far my big claim to fame is a nice rejection letter from Hallmark.:-)

What, they didn't at least send a nice card?!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: FlashTrax - Pentax *ist D RAW

2004-01-16 Thread John Francis

Yep.  Saw that.  $700 (ouch!)   Or 'only' $550 for the 40GB unit.
 
 That is now on my shopping list as well, they now are doing an 80GB model. 
 
 Regards,
 
 Ziggy
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 15 January 2004 19:54
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: FlashTrax - Pentax *ist D RAW
 
 
  
  Got this from their support people;
  
   The new version of our firmware 1.6.1 which was posted on our 
  download site yesterday allows you to view Pentax raw images. So in 
  short if you buy a FlashTrax you will need to download the update 
  firmware from the site and then you can view these images. 
 
 That definitely puts one of those onto the shopping list ...
 
 
 



Re: OT: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread brooksdj
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 So far my big claim to fame is a nice rejection letter from Hallmark.:-)
 
 What, they didn't at least send a nice card?!
 
 -- 

It was from Carlton.lol

Dave
 Mark Roberts
 Photography and writing
 www.robertstech.com
 






Re: OT: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

One of the guests knew of a cafe/restaurant that is always looking for new 
art, and he said he'd give them a call to see if he could hook us up.  So, I 
went to meet with the cafe owner last night, portfolio in hand, and he liked 
it.

Way to go Frank. That's excellent. Keep it up buddy!




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Re: Photoshop performance

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

shel 100% in agreement

Hey that calls for a beef stew, don't it?




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RE: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Rebekah
I used a rear lens cap, cut the center out of it and epoxied a filter
ring (a step-up or step-down ring would work) to it.  I have no
intention of using a filter, instead I attach a ring light to the
reversed lens.

That's what I figured I would end up doing - only was more leaning on
the side of welding it. Although, earlier, someone mentioned that there
was something called a Reverse Ring Light Holder K, so I will check
that out too. 
Kostas - please tell me where you ordered this from?

Rebekah





Re: Another digital storage device

2004-01-16 Thread Jens Bladt
I found ithe Flash Trax i The Discount Shop for 395$
http://the-discount-shop.com/default.php?cPath=130
Jens

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 16. januar 2004 15:01
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: OT: Another Show


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 So far my big claim to fame is a nice rejection letter from Hallmark.:-)
 
 What, they didn't at least send a nice card?!
 
 -- 

It was from Carlton.lol

Dave
 Mark Roberts
 Photography and writing
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Re: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

When I look at the photo I can see that the subject is a girl and I
can see that she's Asian, so the title is really not telling me
anything I can't see.

Some politically correct people (and I don't include myself in this
instance - I'm just making an observation) might also point
out that some women don't like to be described as girls.

For God's sake Frank, pull yourself together man.

How about Asian Babe?


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Re: Photoshop performance

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

 As I understand the way Photoshop works, this is not correct. It is not
 the user that decides if Photoshop has to swap to disk, it is Photoshop.
 And it will readily do so depending on a number of factors including
 levels of history vs file size etc. I am prepared to stand corrected, but
 I am pretty certain that it works this way. Hard drive speed is not as
 important as some indicate; Photoshop craftily utilises the Scratch
 Disk(s) to enable optimum performance. Using a second drive is very
 important - selecting the startup disk as a Scratch Disk will slow
 performance.

   ah, but Cotty!

   just because PhotoShop for Macintosh has such elegant
   interface w/ the hardware is certainly no guarantee that
   an equally graceful operation is possible on all other
   computer platforms

   !;^DBill

True Billy Bones but as far as I can make out it doesn't matter which
platform

Stop it you tart, you'll have another war on!!


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Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Christian
try this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlistA=detailsQ=sku=203181is=REG

Christian

- Original Message - 
From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I used a rear lens cap, cut the center out of it and epoxied a filter
 ring (a step-up or step-down ring would work) to it.  I have no
 intention of using a filter, instead I attach a ring light to the
 reversed lens.

 That's what I figured I would end up doing - only was more leaning on
 the side of welding it. Although, earlier, someone mentioned that there
 was something called a Reverse Ring Light Holder K, so I will check
 that out too.
 Kostas - please tell me where you ordered this from?

 Rebekah






Re: when 16-45 ?

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

Apparently the lens can be used on Pentax film-
based SLRs, but will not cover the full 35mm frame (so what point there?).


In Germany, it was testet on a film slr, and it can be used as a 20-45 mm
Zoom.
Below 20mm it has vignetting.
regards
Rüdiger

Danke!




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Re: Photoshop performance

2004-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

 just because PhotoShop for Macintosh has such elegant
 interface w/ the hardware is certainly no guarantee that
 an equally graceful operation is possible on all other
 computer platforms



http://www.web-options.com/nerdkrieg.tif

ROTFL!


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ReallyOT:Free web counters

2004-01-16 Thread brooksdj

Hi all.
I touched up my new page in FP and i added a counter from the menu. Its there in code 
but
not in real 
life.
My next thought was to use one of those free counter sites,but you have to agree to a
link.

Any one use them?What is the link,just to their sites?Can you remove the counter if 
need
be.?

Dave Brooks
http://www.caughtinmotion.com (there but not complete.) 




Re: Photoshop performance

2004-01-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Stickin' to tofu these days for my protein source ...

Cotty wrote:
 
 Hey that calls for a beef stew, don't it?



Re: OT: Moisture muncher lenses

2004-01-16 Thread Bob W
Hi,

if you're using the case for transport only then I can't see any need
for a moistiure eater. If you're using it for storage then I suggest
you think again. I had a Pelican case in which I kept my LXs and
several lenses. So when I was burgled it just meant that everything
was nicely packed up for the burglars, and ready to go.

I still use a Pelican for transport, but I now have a safe bolted to
the floor for storage.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob


Friday, January 16, 2004, 6:31:41 PM, you wrote:

 Hi,

 Ryan Lee wrote:

 Unfortunately, I don't have too much space to play around with so can't
 really give it a slot of its own without being less comfortable with padding
 elsewhere. I was wondering if there should be any reason not to place the
 packet (roughly mid palm to tip of middle finger lengthwise, and 4 fingers
 wide) directly under a lens (as in to have the lens sitting on it in the
 slot). Should there be some kind of buffer between them?

 Not familiar with the specific brand but these substances tend to
 produce dust.  You might be generating a long-term problem if you are
 using the case for transport rather than stationary storage.

 mike



Re: ReallyOT:Free web counters

2004-01-16 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Try this one. It's very good. There is a free one and a $12 a year version.

http://www.jellycounter.com/

Counters reside on the provider's server that's why you need a link. To
write the code and install a counter on your ISP server requires much
work and expertise. I removed mine after it gave trouble and now use
a Jelly counter. Every page on my website has a counter of it's own and
none are visible -- all this for $12 per annum.

Don

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   Hi all.
 I touched up my new page in FP and i added a counter from the menu. Its
there in code but
 not in real
 life.
 My next thought was to use one of those free counter sites,but you have to
agree to a
 link.

 Any one use them?What is the link,just to their sites?Can you remove the
counter if need
 be.?

 Dave Brooks
 http://www.caughtinmotion.com (there but not complete.)






Re: Photoshop performance (was: Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-16 Thread Anders Hultman
Bob W:

http://www.web-options.com/nerdkrieg.tif
Oh thank you ever so much! I have long wanted to see that particluar strip.

As you might know, it is featured in In The Beginning Was The 
Command Line, the excellent eassay on computer culture by Neal 
Stephenson.

The essay is available in many places on the net, for example here:

  http://www.spack.org/index.cgi/InTheBeginningWasTheCommandLine

anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/


For Sale Friday

2004-01-16 Thread Francis Alviar
Hello to everyone,

Just hawking my wares.  Trying to streamline as well
as save money for lenses.

The first item I have is a ZX-5n.  Purchased off of a
fellow list member.  It's in excellent condition.  No
cracks, dents, dings or major scratches.  There is
however a slight blemish on the viewfinder but it does
not affect focusing.  $135

Next item is the battery grip FG for the ZX-5n. 
Excellent condition.  $25 or both camera and battery
grip for $150.

Third item is an ME Super.  Very good condition.  No
dents, dings, major scratches.  Light meter works as
well as the shutter in all speeds.  $100.

Lastly we have the ME II Winder.  Very good condition.
 $25.  $115 for both.

All prices above are plus shipping and handling.  

Email me for photos.  Thank you for your time.

Ebay for these if not takers by Sunday.


Francis M. Alviar



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Re: PUG Deadline Approaching

2004-01-16 Thread Dag T
Scanning, what scanning?

:-)

DagT

På 16. jan. 2004 kl. 19.07 skrev Adelheid v. K.:



Folks get scanning.
It's Wet outside and this month's theme
Cheers
Adelheid




Re: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
The original title was Chop Suey Chickie, but it was pointed out to me 
that some might take offence, so I toned it down a bit...

vbg

yours in Political Correctness,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]

For God's sake Frank, pull yourself together man.

How about Asian Babe?

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RE: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
Yes, Well,

You are correct, Bob.  I didn't think much of the title either.  It was 
really just a working title, and I stuck that title on the photo.net posting 
for lack of anything else to call it at the time.

I'm horrendous at titling things.  Were it not for the fact that I think it 
sounds pretentious, I'd just call my stuff Untitled #1, #2, etc..  The 
other problem with that, is I'd just say to myself, Hmmm, what was that 
Asian Girl photo, Untitled # 745, or #746?

And, on the Politically Correct front, you're right.  Identifying the 
subject by her gender or county (or continent) of family origin isn't the 
best way to classify her.

I'll have to think of something else for that photo, and most of my others 
as well.

As for the Pythonesque statement of the bleedin' obvious, well, sometimes 
in my more lucid moments, I'll title things that way with the actual 
intention of being ironic and humourous (the bike shot, A Dog and Her Girl 
on a Bike being an example of that).  Sometimes it works.  Other times not. 
 g  But, Asian Girl was no such attempt.

Thanks for the pointers - I appreciate it.

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT:  Another Show
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:56:38 +

congratulations on the show, Frank. It's well deserved.

Maybe it's just me being pernickety or something, but I would change
the title or caption of this particular photo. The reasons apply to
most paintings, photographs etc., so please don't think I'm singling
you out.
When I look at the photo I can see that the subject is a girl and I
can see that she's Asian, so the title is really not telling me
anything I can't see.
Some politically correct people (and I don't include myself in this
instance - I'm just making an observation) might also point
out that some women don't like to be described as girls.
The gist of what I'm saying is that in my opinion a title, caption or
whatever shouldn't usually be what Monty Python described as a statement
of the bleedin' obvious.
I must say, though, that I'm often guilty of this myself, but I do try
to avoid it.
Having said all that, it's a very enjoyable photograph.

--
Cheers,
 Bob
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Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
Intelligent people don't need Smart Modes.  Then again, I guess they 
couldn't really call them Stupid Modes, could they?  The Marketing 
Department wouldn't have liked that one bit!  vbg

Well, Rod, that's about all I have to say about the *ist D, or any other 
automatic camera for that matter.  Don't own one.  Never used one.  I'm just 
not an automatic guy, I guess.  Or I'm cheap.  Likely the latter.

But, seriously, welcome to the list.  Glad you could make it.  Pull up a 
chair and enjoy the show!

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: lazarus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
  Also, I'm glad to see that it doesn't sound like I'll have too steep
of a learning curve in dealing with the lack of Smart modes.  snip
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RE: I'M BACK!

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
Brendan,

Where the hell are you?

I have an LX now.  There's no other news.

Welcome back.

-frank

The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I'M BACK!
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:08:25 -0500 (EST)
Yes I fell of the face of the earth again, quick
question does the nomail option work? I'm over seas on
dial up for a while
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Re: OT: I've become my Parents-was:PUG Deadline Approaching

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
Yup, the Tube Testers were in drug stores.  Couldn't figure out why they'd 
be in drug stores, but they were.  I used to love pressing that button and 
watching the meter go back and forth...

Just don't get going on how far you walked through the snow to get to 
school, Shel.  Next we'll here from Graywolf, and how tough ~he~ had it (up 
hill both ways...).  vbg

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: I've become my Parents-was:PUG Deadline Approaching
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:05:52 -0800
Ahhh  fond memories ;-))  That and having to replace the
tubes by opening the back of the set, or having to call the
TV repairman who might have to take the set to the shop.
Of course, before calling the repairman, we'd always give
the set a hard whack in a few places, which would often
clear up the problem.
I'll vouch for you Frank, and for all those snow storms we
had to walk through to get to school.
shel (whose TV viewing isn't much different these days)

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Re: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
No, mine certainly are 1 element.

-frank

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From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: cheap macro
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:10:14 -0500
Pentax has made closeup lenses. i don't recall them being two element 
lenses
though.

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Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
Peter,

Your sig reminds me of my favourite pick up line in bars:

Hey, you're cute when I'm drunk.

Why is it that I'm single again?  vbg

ciao,
frank
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RE: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Rebekah
So would that be gas, arc or mig welding?

Well, I'm pretty sure that gas is available to me, as well as arc,
however, for something as thin as the screw ring, it would probably be
better to tig weld it, which is what they use to weld airplanes together
since tig is best for thin type metals as it causes a minimum
distortion. I really wouldn't want to mess up a screw ring trying to
smash it in because I melted the mount, ya know?

Rebekah




RE: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread Rebekah
Thanks, I'm glad that they have a professionally made one out there
somewhere. :o)
Rebekah

-Original Message-
From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 1:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: cheap macro

try this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlistA=details;
Q=sku=203181is=REG

Christian

- Original Message - 
From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I used a rear lens cap, cut the center out of it and epoxied a filter
 ring (a step-up or step-down ring would work) to it.  I have no
 intention of using a filter, instead I attach a ring light to the
 reversed lens.

 That's what I figured I would end up doing - only was more leaning on
 the side of welding it. Although, earlier, someone mentioned that
there
 was something called a Reverse Ring Light Holder K, so I will check
 that out too.
 Kostas - please tell me where you ordered this from?

 Rebekah






RE: I'M BACK!

2004-01-16 Thread Brendan
I'm in Trinidad right now, with the Pz-20, the MZ-3
died a *ist, non D on the way, nothing much new other
than that.

  --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:  Brendan,
 
 Where the hell are you?
 
 I have an LX now.  There's no other news.
 
 Welcome back.
 
 -frank
 
 The optimist thinks this is the best of all
 possible worlds.  The pessimist 
 fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
 
 
 
 
 From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: I'M BACK!
 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:08:25 -0500 (EST)
 
 Yes I fell of the face of the earth again, quick
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 on
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Re: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
Sounds like you're thinking of the right one, Tom.  On of the titles I'd 
thought about a while ago was Navigating the Crowds, but Passing By is 
much better, shorter, more to the point, and catchier.

I'd love to use it with your permission.  I'll buy you a beer when you drop 
in to GFM, if I can use it.  vbg  I mean, what the hell, I've promised 
everyone else a beer (or tea, or whatever).

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:06:03 -0500
Frank, if that is the photo I think it is (I didn't look this time), 
Passing By would be a great title.

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FS: FA 43/1.9

2004-01-16 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
Yes, I still have it.
Ex. cond, with box  papers  all.
$325 + shpg.
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RE: I'M BACK!

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
Trinidad!!

You bastard!

Let's see, Wednesday, high of -15C and about 6 inches of snow.  Thursday 
morning -30C, high of -20C, today, all the way up to -15C, with high winds, 
wind chill of around -25C, with blowing snow.

I bet you can't wait to get back, eh?

cheers,
frank
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fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: I'M BACK!
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:42:23 -0500 (EST)
I'm in Trinidad right now, with the Pz-20, the MZ-3
died a *ist, non D on the way, nothing much new other
than that.
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RE: cheap macro

2004-01-16 Thread frank theriault
They use TIG welding to make bike frames out of thin-walled aluminium tubes. 
 FWIW...

cheers,
frank
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fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: cheap macro
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:38:21 -0600

Well, I'm pretty sure that gas is available to me, as well as arc,
however, for something as thin as the screw ring, it would probably be
better to tig weld it, which is what they use to weld airplanes together
since tig is best for thin type metals as it causes a minimum
distortion. I really wouldn't want to mess up a screw ring trying to
smash it in because I melted the mount, ya know?
Rebekah


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Re: I'M BACK!

2004-01-16 Thread Keith Whaley


frank theriault wrote:
 
 Brendan,
 
 Where the hell are you?
 
 I have an LX now.  There's no other news.

Yes, there is!
I too have an LX m=now!   BG

keith whaley
 
 Welcome back.
 
 -frank



Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...

2004-01-16 Thread Peter Alling
Frank that is a question that will remain un-answered, (I'm in a kind mood).

At 10:38 PM 1/16/04, you wrote:
Peter,

Your sig reminds me of my favourite pick up line in bars:

Hey, you're cute when I'm drunk.

Why is it that I'm single again?  vbg

ciao,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




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Re: Slide show

2004-01-16 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Mark Cassino wrote:

 (snip)


 Anyhow -  I have to say it was a lot of fun.  Projected slides - even at a
 decent size (I projected mine to 4 feet on the long axis and sat about 8
 feet away) look a lot better than scanned slides.  Projecting seems to be
 much more forgiving than scanning, especially in regards to shadow detail,
 and the grain - well, there just doesn't seem to be much grain in the
 projected images.  I also had a whole different feel for the image at the
 larger size, compared to viewing it on a computer screen.


I enjoy reviewing my slides that way, but doing it too often, of course,
is dangerous and lingering too long on one when you look at it, too, is
bad (not that you are not aware of that.)

When I first got into Animals Animals I had sent them a lot of stuff that
I reviewed looking at them on a screen -- most of them came back  I
got in on the strength of my black and white prints and my eye but
was told in no uncertain terms NOT to send any that I had not
reviewed for sharpness and color with a 10x loupe on a light table...

Boy, were they right!  I love looking at stuff projected because it carries
me to the spot, but I do it seldom to protect the images.  (and it is
a hassle to set the stuff up, too.)

annsan





Re: PUG Deadline Approaching

2004-01-16 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Dag T 
Subject: Re: PUG Deadline Approaching


 Scanning, what scanning?
 
 :-)

Don't need no scuzzy scanner.
WW



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