Scanner

[Dr E D F Williams]

Hi all,

Anyone interested in an Olympus ES-10S SCSI scanner? It comes with a card
for the PC, software, cables, power supply film holders and also works with
the famous Macintosh computer. It handles 35 mm only and is in good order.

Don
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Re: OT (but what isn't): Digital Ice`

[Peter Alling]

The method digital Ice confuses silver grain in traditional film
and dust with the expected awful results.  Some scanners are better
able to scan B&W than others.  My relatively cheep Acer 2720s works
rather well in my opinion.
See: 
http://www.mindspring.com/~palling/photography/gallery8/photographs/Madison_by_the_Sea.jpg

and

http://www.mindspring.com/~palling/photography/gallery7/photographs/Mainstreet_by_Night.jpg

I won't make any claims for the composition but the full size scans look 
fine on a computer
monitor.  It's printing B&W on most inexpensive photo printers that gives 
really terrible
results.

At 12:22 PM 1/17/04, you wrote:
The other day I saw how Digital Ice can remove imperfections
when scanning.  What wasn't clear to me is whether using DI
in any way "softens" the image.  As it was explained to me,
it shouldn't, but the fellow doing the explaining was new to
the technique himself, so I thought I'd ask here.
Also, I've heard the DI does not work well with conventional
B&W negatives.  Is that the case?  And, while on the subject
of B&W negatives, is it true that B&W does not scan well?
Last year I scanned quite a few B&W negatives and they
looked fine to my uneducated eye.
The scanner used in both situations was the Nikon Coolscan
IV ED super duper high end model, 4000dpi (sorry, I can't
keep track of all the model numbers).
shel
photographe au chômage
I drink to make other people interesting.
-- George Jean Nathan  

Re: PUG Deadline Approaching

[David Mann]

William Robb wrote:

> Don't need no scuzzy scanner.

My SCSI scanner is out-of-commission at the moment as the PCI SCSI card 
from my PC won't fit the PCI slot in my new Mac.  Time to buy a new 
card (grumble).

My USB scanner is also out of commission because HP decided that it 
should only ever support Windows.  Even Vuescan only supports it in 
Windows.

I guess I'll have to hang on to the PC until I get my hands on a decent 
film scanner.  Maybe an *ist-D with a slide duplicator would do the 
trick.

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: K/M on *istD

[Jim Apilado]

If Pentax comes out with a "cheapie" dslr that will allow me to use my K and
M lenses in the way that one can set for the *ist D I might be tempted to
purchase the camera.  The *ist D's high price should have meant that full
compatibility was in the camera.  Unlike some on the list I held back - and
still am hesitant - in buying this camera.  I've been a Pentax user since
1963 (still have my H-3). The most modern Pentax slr I own is the PZ1-p.  I
am happy that all my K and M lenses are fully compatible with that film
camera.  Also enjoy my original 645 Pentax.

Jim A.
> From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:16:44 -0500
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: K/M on *istD
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:16:43 -0500
> 
> sounds like no continous aperture priority or open aperture
> metering, just a 1-shot stop down metering/AE.  while much better
> than the initial offering, still not really a full support
> of K/M lenses IMHO. Guess we'll have to wait for the "D2"
> model to get back up to the 1975 technological levels of the "K"
> film bodies.
> JCO
> 
> 
> J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michel Carrère-Gée [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:57 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re:
> 
> 
> J. C. O'Connell a écrit:
> 
>> Could someone please explain how the *istD "fix" for
>> K/M lenses works?  I dont see how it is possible to
>> fully support the K/M lense's metering and aperture
>> priority modes if there is no aperture cam sensor in the
>> camera.
>> 
> Set the body at M mode
> ste the aperture ring to the desired value
> Push the "green" button
> the body close the  diaphragm to preset aperture
> then it take exposure metering, and set shutter speed to apropriate setting
> the body re-open the diapragm to full aperture
> 
> Michel
> 

Re: *ist-D - jpg, tiff or raw?

[Joseph Tainter]

"When I take the same image using the three modes, then compare the 
results (having converted the raw file using Photo Laboratory on default 
settings) it seems that the TIFF file has had somewhat too much 
sharpening, while the jpg seems a bit undersharpened?"

Images saved as .jpg will lose some detail. Is this what you are seeing?

"Also, the Photo Lab RAW converter seems very clunky, almost like a 
first attempt with no frills"

That's exactly what it is. We hope it will be improved. You shouldn't 
use it as your sole image editor, or for anything other than setting 
white balance in raw and converting to tiff.

Joe

Re: cheap macro

[Andre Langevin]

Hi, if I recall correctly, the proxars made for 645 and 67 lenses were
2-element at least.
From Pentax, yes but not the "Proxar" brand by Zeiss (Hasselblad and 
others), these are one single-element, a source of dissatisfaction 
for Hassy users who rely on Nikon and others.

There is a
weblist of all proxars with more than one element, btw. Searching for
it should get you the address (I don't have it).
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/erker/closeups.html

Good starting point but far from complete.

Andre

Re: cheap macro

[Frantisek Vlcek]

> No, mine certainly are 1 element.
> -frank

Hi, if I recall correctly, the proxars made for 645 and 67 lenses were
2-element at least. Dunno about the sizes, but I doubt 49mm. Pentax's
proxars made for 135 format lenses are all single element. There is a
weblist of all proxars with more than one element, btw. Searching for
it should get you the address (I don't have it). IIRC there were some
Tokina, Canon, Nikon, and the Pentax MF proxars which were achromats
(2-element lens design). There is also a very good option of using an
50/1.4 lens SCREWED onto your on camera lens as a proxar!!! It
works surprisingly well, as the 50mm lens is inherently better
corrected than measly 2-element (or god forbit 1-element) proxars.
Commercialy the coupling rings (male-male filter rings) are available
commonly from most filter and camera producers. Mounting a 50mm lens
onto a 200mm lens will give you, IIRC, 4x lifesize magnification. 50mm
on 50mm lens will give you exactly lifesize magnification with very
high degree of correction, and almost no life loss as with extension
tubes (of course, the "CU" lens must be of faster aperture so not to
cause vignetting).

Frantisek

Re: AF 280T

[graywolf]

422D and 433D with the Pentax dedicated modules (I am not sure if the 422 had 
the TTL module available, I think it like the AF280). Unfortunately all the 
plugs and sockets were different.

--

Clive Evans wrote:
Hi All
I seem to remember seeing a post  that the  AF280T flash was/is made by
sunpak and in fact has identical specs to a sunpak 4??? flash.
Can anyone remind me which one it is?
Clive
Antibes
France

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

RE: Achromatic close-up lenses

[Andre Langevin]

While bellows/enlarging lens may not be as cheap as a closeup
lens, the achromatic ones are not $5-$15 and the bellows/enlarging
lenses are cheaper than dedicated macro lenses.Especially
if you want multiple focal lengths
Minolta achromatic close-up lens, on eBay, can be found at that price 
if you wait for them.  New, they are $30. at B&H.  Nikon ones are 
also rather inexpensive on eBay and also 30$ new.  Great for casual 
quality close-up pictures.

For high quality macro your approach is indeed one of the best for 
the money.  Reversed 16mm normal lens is another approach.  Best 
lenses are specialized macro optics (not common macro lenses) by 
Zuiko, Nikon (scientific division), Minolta, Zeiss, Leitz etc. but 
are also usually very expensive ($200 and over, used).

Andre

RE: Achromatic close-up lenses

[J. C. O'Connell]

While bellows/enlarging lens may not be as cheap as a closeup
lens, the achromatic ones are not $5-$15 and the bellows/enlarging
lenses are cheaper than dedicated macro lenses.Especially
if you want multiple focal lengths


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: Andre Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Achromatic close-up lenses


>I personally would not bother with these lenses.
>Buy a bellows and some high quality 6 element enlarging
>lenses ( Rodagons, Componons, etc) and you will
>be jammin'.  Beauty part is these enlarging lenses
>are dirt cheap used on ebay now due to the many people
>abandoning conventional darkrooms..

>FWIW, I am using 80mm, 105mm, and 135mm enlarging lenses
>on a screwmount autobellows ( manual mode ) with great sucess
>lately. I got all of these lenses for less than $80 each
>on ebay in mint condition. Very cost effective approach

$80. plus the cost of a bellows.  A good achromatic close-up lens on
eBay goes from $5 to $15.  It does not take place in your bag, or
your pocket!  Depends on what want. I don't think Rebekah (from
original query, see "Cheap macros") would like to go the bellows plus
enlarging lens way.

Andre

Re: Rare screwmount lens on ebay

[Andre Langevin]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2979324374

FYI,

This is the 45-125mm F4 SMC Zoom-Takumar. It is rare and an excellent optic.
I have
one and its really a very good lens.  Took me years to find it.
Disclaimer: I have no relation to, or knowledge of seller!
And knowledge of PDML "rules"!  I had spotted the lens but publicity 
of that sort will attract more "lazy" hunters and probably put the 
lens out of reach...

Andre

RE: Achromatic close-up lenses

[Andre Langevin]

I personally would not bother with these lenses.
Buy a bellows and some high quality 6 element enlarging
lenses ( Rodagons, Componons, etc) and you will
be jammin'.  Beauty part is these enlarging lenses
are dirt cheap used on ebay now due to the many people
abandoning conventional darkrooms..

FWIW, I am using 80mm, 105mm, and 135mm enlarging lenses
on a screwmount autobellows ( manual mode ) with great sucess
lately. I got all of these lenses for less than $80 each
on ebay in mint condition. Very cost effective approach
$80. plus the cost of a bellows.  A good achromatic close-up lens on 
eBay goes from $5 to $15.  It does not take place in your bag, or 
your pocket!  Depends on what want. I don't think Rebekah (from 
original query, see "Cheap macros") would like to go the bellows plus 
enlarging lens way.

Andre

Rare screwmount lens on ebay

[J. C. O'Connell]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2979324374

FYI,

This is the 45-125mm F4 SMC Zoom-Takumar. It is rare and an excellent optic.
I have
one and its really a very good lens.  Took me years to find it.
Disclaimer: I have no relation to, or knowledge of seller!


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com

*ist-D - jpg, tiff or raw?

[Cycad]

Forgive me if this has been discussed before (is there a PDML archive), but
I've been trying to compare the different modes of storing images from my
new *ist-D: jpg, tiff and raw files.

When I take the same image using the three modes, then compare the results
(having converted the raw file using Photo Laboratory on default settings)
it seems that the TIFF file has had somewhat too much sharpening, while the
jpg seems a bit undersharpened? Are the jpg and tiff files treated
differently before saving to the card? The manual is not very helpful in
this regard.

Also, the Photo Lab RAW converter seems very clunky, almost like a first
attempt with no frills - and extremely slow on my 600MHz PIII laptop. It's
also difficult mto judge the effects of different settings with the small,
unzoomable image window. Is anyone aware of plans to improve this software?
Alternatively, are there any third party converters that could be used?
Perhaps someone more knowldegeable than I could also comment on the relative
advantages of saving as raw then converting later over using the camera's
built-in settings.

Thanks

Andy

Re: when 16-45 ?

[Rüdiger Neumann]

Hallo,
open the link with the right mouse bottom,
click on "safe target under"
and add "jpg" at the filename.

Than it should work
regards Rüdiger


Von: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>"here is a comparsion between the 2/24, Tokina 2.8/20-35 and DA 16-45.
>
>"http://forum.digitalfotonetz.de/viewtopic.php?t=5123";
>
>All I get when I click on the links is gibberish characters.
>
>Joe
>
>

RE: OT (but what isn't): Digital Ice`

[Butch Black]

Yes Digital ice can soften an image, especially if there is a lot of dust
etc. on it, so if you are scanning with it,  it still behooves you to start
with as clean of a negative/slide as possible. It also does not work with
either conventional B&W or Kodachrome though it works fine with chromegenic
B&W. Digital ICE uses an infa-red light to detect dust and B&W and
Kodachrome are not IR transparent. B&W is not supposed to scan as well as
color. I've never tried it but I have friends that have had reasonable
success with scanning MF and LF B&W negs.

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)

RE: OT (but what isn't): Digital Ice`

[Rob Brigham]

It uses an IR scan to find imperfections on the surface of the film.  The IR is messed 
up by B&W negs unless they are C41 due to the silver in the emulsion blocking or 
distorting the rays.  I don't think it works with Kodachrome either.

It really is fantastic, and has a marginal negative effect.  But it DOES soften the 
image.  It is so slight that you can generally scan without worrying about that 
though.  At 4000 dpi, I find it hard to do without it.

GEM uses the info from the IR too, to decode the film grain pattern and can really 
help with faster films to reduce the grain - will worth it sometimes.

> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 17 January 2004 17:23
> To: PDML
> Subject: OT (but what isn't): Digital Ice`
> 
> 
> The other day I saw how Digital Ice can remove imperfections 
> when scanning.  What wasn't clear to me is whether using DI 
> in any way "softens" the image.  As it was explained to me, 
> it shouldn't, but the fellow doing the explaining was new to 
> the technique himself, so I thought I'd ask here.
> 
> Also, I've heard the DI does not work well with conventional 
> B&W negatives.  Is that the case?  And, while on the subject 
> of B&W negatives, is it true that B&W does not scan well? 
> Last year I scanned quite a few B&W negatives and they
> looked fine to my uneducated eye.  
> 
> The scanner used in both situations was the Nikon Coolscan
> IV ED super duper high end model, 4000dpi (sorry, I can't
> keep track of all the model numbers).
> 
> shel 
> photographe au chômage
> 
> 

RE: K/M on *istD

[J. C. O'Connell]

Doesnt allow for DSLRs mentioned either :)
JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 2:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: K/M on *istD




> While I VERY seldom use AE with film, I have several ES/ESII
> cameras that offer ON THE FLY aperture priority
> AE WITHOUT having to stop down, even with SCREWMOUNT
> Pentax lenses that I use. That is 1972 technology and
> better than the *istD "fix" IMHO.

It takes less than one second for the *istD to set the shutter speed.

> While I am not using a DSLR at this point, I THINK
> my preferred exposure method would be AE with autobracketing
> continous, not 1-shot stopped down AE...
> JCO

I don't think the 1972 technology allows for autobracketing.

Bill

RE: Achromatic close-up lenses

[J. C. O'Connell]

FWIW, I am using 80mm, 105mm, and 135mm enlarging lenses
on a screwmount autobellows ( manual mode ) with great sucess
lately. I got all of these lenses for less than $80 each
on ebay in mint condition. Very cost effective approach


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 2:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Achromatic close-up lenses


I personally would not bother with these lenses.
Buy a bellows and some high quality 6 element enlarging
lenses ( Rodagons, Componons, etc) and you will
be jammin'.  Beauty part is these enlarging lenses
are dirt cheap used on ebay now due to the many people
abandoning conventional darkrooms..


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com

RE: LX polaroid back

[J. C. O'Connell]

WHY? If you are doing for exposure, wouldnt bracketing be cheaper?
If you are doing to check flash lighting, wouldnt a digicam ala
Canon G5 be cheaper? Curious...
JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: Clive Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 2:02 PM
To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: LX polaroid back


I really am looking for a Polarid back for LX [how luddite can you get] if
anyone has/knows where to source one...
Clive
Antibes
France

Re: K/M on *istD

[Bill Owens]

> While I VERY seldom use AE with film, I have several ES/ESII
> cameras that offer ON THE FLY aperture priority
> AE WITHOUT having to stop down, even with SCREWMOUNT
> Pentax lenses that I use. That is 1972 technology and
> better than the *istD "fix" IMHO.

It takes less than one second for the *istD to set the shutter speed.
 
> While I am not using a DSLR at this point, I THINK
> my preferred exposure method would be AE with autobracketing
> continous, not 1-shot stopped down AE...
> JCO

I don't think the 1972 technology allows for autobracketing.

Bill

RE: Achromatic close-up lenses

[J. C. O'Connell]

I personally would not bother with these lenses.
Buy a bellows and some high quality 6 element enlarging
lenses ( Rodagons, Componons, etc) and you will
be jammin'.  Beauty part is these enlarging lenses
are dirt cheap used on ebay now due to the many people
abandoning conventional darkrooms..


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com

Re: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show

[Keith Whaley]

See at end!

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> 
> frank theriault wrote:
> 
> > I agree with you entirely, Ann.
> >
> > The great photos that I remember usually have very simple titles, that are
> > simply descriptions:  "Derriere la Gare St. Lazare", "Death of a Loyalist
> > Soldier", "Migrant Mother", "Afghan Girl" (truth be known, that's where I
> > got the idea of "Asian Girl"
> 
> Ah -- ok.  alliteration across titles :)
> 
> > - no disrespect to Mr. McCurry intended;  I'm
> > not worthy to carry his Nikons...).
> 
> Nikon, Nikon, sounds familiar... is that a camera?
> 
> > (snip)
> >
> > So, yeah, my titles are just my working titles, nothing more.  And for PUG
> > or Photo.net, you've got to stick something in, and I just don't like
> > "untitled", but neither do I like the number that Photo.net puts in if you
> > don't title it.  So I do.
> >
> > thanks,
> > frank
> >
> 
> don't take any pictures of  r2d2and3cp0 then :)
> 
> I still haven't put anything on photo net - I really should for more exposure (no 
> pun)
> but life keeps getting in the way.
> 
> ann

I was sort of searching for a reason to account for the apparent
dragging of my feet, relative to submitting some photos to this
illustrious group!
I waited plenty long enough, it seems!
Your description fits my situation like a glove!

Between my self-imposed work and likewise other tasks, I can't seem to
get out and take photos!
My mantra for the entire past year has been, "I'm just too damned busy!"

Not that that's not true, but that's got to change. I've got to get out more!
Thanks for putting words to it, Ann. . .

keith whaley

LX polaroid back

[Clive Evans]

I really am looking for a Polarid back for LX [how luddite can you get] if
anyone has/knows where to source one... 
Clive
Antibes
France

AF 280T

[Clive Evans]

Hi All
I seem to remember seeing a post  that the  AF280T flash was/is made by
sunpak and in fact has identical specs to a sunpak 4??? flash.
Can anyone remind me which one it is?
Clive
Antibes
France

Re: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show

[Ann Sanfedele]

frank theriault wrote:

> I agree with you entirely, Ann.
>
> The great photos that I remember usually have very simple titles, that are
> simply descriptions:  "Derriere la Gare St. Lazare", "Death of a Loyalist
> Soldier", "Migrant Mother", "Afghan Girl" (truth be known, that's where I
> got the idea of "Asian Girl"

Ah -- ok.  alliteration across titles :)


> - no disrespect to Mr. McCurry intended;  I'm
> not worthy to carry his Nikons...).

Nikon, Nikon, sounds familiar... is that a camera?

> (snip)
>
> So, yeah, my titles are just my working titles, nothing more.  And for PUG
> or Photo.net, you've got to stick something in, and I just don't like
> "untitled", but neither do I like the number that Photo.net puts in if you
> don't title it.  So I do.
>
> thanks,
> frank
>

don't take any pictures of  r2d2and3cp0 then :)

I still haven't put anything on photo net - I really should for more exposure (no pun)
but life keeps getting in the way.

ann



>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
> >From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show
> >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:07:50 -0500
> >
>
> >Um good thinking , frank!
> >
> >I agree about the title  ( didnt go to the link this time -- remembered it
> >from before)
> >On the whole I don't like titles on photos except to give a handle for
> >reference
> >and I never put any one when I'm exhibiting  - though I do note date and
> >location.
> >
> >I know, I have titles on some for PUG - but I hope they are not intrusive.
> >
> >annsan
> >
>
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Achromatic close-up lenses

[Andre Langevin]

the ones recommended are the double element types from either Nikon or
Canon. i don't know if anyone else makes them that are easily obtainable.
they are more expensive than ordinary single element closeup lenses.
Herb...
Minolta and Sigma are quite common also.

I used the Nikon Close-up lenses for quite some time.  They really do give
very good results.
Christian
Indeed, and easily obtained, even on eBay.  But made for 52mm filter 
size, so a step-up is necessary.  No big deal.

Pentax has made closeup lenses. i don't recall them being two element lenses
though.
Herb...
Pentax make them for medium format, but usable on 35mm lenses also. 
Over $100 each.  Beginning with lower mag: T226 (0,44 diopter), T132 
(0,76), S82 (1,22) in 67mm size, S56 (1,80), S33 (3) in 58mm.

Minolta 0   (49,55) 0,94
Nikon 3T   (52) 1,50
Sigma "achromatic" (52) 1,50
Canon 500   (52,58) 2
Minolta 1   (49,55) 2
Nikon 4T   (52) 2,90
Vivitar (w.100/3.5)(49) 3,30
Minolta 2   (49,55) 3,80
Canon 250   (52,58) 4
Some sizes not mentionned (for example Canon 500 for 72 & 77mm, 
Minolta 52mm not as common.)

There are other achromatic close-up lenses, more obscure, by Olympus, 
Konica, Canon, Leica (Elpro), Pentax (Dental), Hoya, Sigma, Tokina 
and Vivitar.  Some were made for specific lenses (Sigma 70-300, 
Tokina 80-400 and Vivitar 100/3.5 macro).

Andre

RE: K/M on *istD

[J. C. O'Connell]

While I VERY seldom use AE with film, I have several ES/ESII
cameras that offer ON THE FLY aperture priority
AE WITHOUT having to stop down, even with SCREWMOUNT
Pentax lenses that I use. That is 1972 technology and
better than the *istD "fix" IMHO.

Secondly, film and digital are different animals at
least negative film is. There is a huge exposure
latitude with negative film and exposure isnt really
critical like it is with todays digital cameras.

While I am not using a DSLR at this point, I THINK
my preferred exposure method would be AE with autobracketing
continous, not 1-shot stopped down AE...
JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: K/M on *istD


Not exactly one shot stop down.  If I understand what you
mean by "no continuous aperture priority," I'd have to
disagree.  The camera will hold the setting until the green
button is pushed again.  And, while I've not used the istd
in the described manner, others here have noted how fast and
unobtrusive the method is.  Frankly, it's good enough for
many of the folks on this list.  Odd that you'd feel it's
unacceptable (if you really do) since you seem to use a lot
of screw mount lenses, and this system is infinitely faster,
and almost transparent.

"J. C. O'Connell" wrote:
>
> sounds like no continous aperture priority or open aperture
> metering, just a 1-shot stop down metering/AE.  while much better
> than the initial offering, still not really a full support
> of K/M lenses IMHO. Guess we'll have to wait for the "D2"
> model to get back up to the 1975 technological levels of the "K"
> film bodies.
>

Re: Smart Settings on the *istD

[Steve Desjardins]

Bottom line is that if you enjoy reading this list and are even thinking
about buying an *ist D, you can easily learn enough to not need the
smart settings.  Afterall, it's mostly 1) hi Tv for action for freezing
action, 2) low Av for portraits for shallow depth of field (dof), 3) hi
Av for landscapes for hi dof.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: when 16-45 ?

[Joseph Tainter]

"here is a comparsion between the 2/24, Tokina 2.8/20-35 and DA 16-45.

"http://forum.digitalfotonetz.de/viewtopic.php?t=5123";

All I get when I click on the links is gibberish characters.

Joe

Re: Smart Settings on the *istD

[Joseph Tainter]

"1. SMART picture mode w/5 auto switching programs"

If you use this, wait until Pentax comes out with its sub-$1000 DSLR, 
supposedly toward the end of this year. At that price level it will be 
aimed at users who would buy the film *ist, and will probably have 
auto-picture mode.

For that matter, the default settings in program mode on the *ist D 
probably give you essentially the same settings as the ZX-7 gives you in 
auto mode. That is, it will take into account the lens focal length and 
subject distance, then give you a shutter speed and f-stop for, say, a 
portrait, a close-up, or a landscape -- or at least, what the designers 
thought should be default settings for these standardized scenes. The 
difference is only that the *ist D won't light up a little icon of the 
picture mode.

Joe

Re: K/M on *istD

[Shel Belinkoff]

Not exactly one shot stop down.  If I understand what you
mean by "no continuous aperture priority," I'd have to
disagree.  The camera will hold the setting until the green
button is pushed again.  And, while I've not used the istd
in the described manner, others here have noted how fast and
unobtrusive the method is.  Frankly, it's good enough for
many of the folks on this list.  Odd that you'd feel it's
unacceptable (if you really do) since you seem to use a lot
of screw mount lenses, and this system is infinitely faster,
and almost transparent.

"J. C. O'Connell" wrote:
> 
> sounds like no continous aperture priority or open aperture
> metering, just a 1-shot stop down metering/AE.  while much better
> than the initial offering, still not really a full support
> of K/M lenses IMHO. Guess we'll have to wait for the "D2"
> model to get back up to the 1975 technological levels of the "K"
> film bodies.
>

Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie

[Keith Whaley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Frank said:
> > Intelligent people don't need "Smart Modes".  Then again, I guess they
> > couldn't really call them "Stupid Modes", could they?  The Marketing
> > Department wouldn't have liked that one bit!  
> 
> > cheers,
> > frank
> 
> And this from a guy who bought an LX with OTF metering.LOL LOL

Integrated Direct Metering rules!  

keith whaley

> Nice one Frank
> 
> Dave

Re: I'M BACK!

[Keith Whaley]

See below:

frank theriault wrote:
> 
> Keith,
> 
> How Cool Is That?
> 
> Details, man, we need details!!
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> 
> >From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >Yes, there is!
> >I too have an LX m=now!   BG>

Dang fingers! I meant "...an LX now!" Every once in a while I hit an
unintended key, and I don't always do spell-checking. For a two sentence
statement? Hah!
> >
> >keith whaley

A few months ago, I bought an LX that had always been used on a copy
stand, taking photos of stamps, for the owner's stamp collection! As you
can imagine, there is no brassing, no dents or scratches or dings!
Only "problem" is, it has a "Dial Data LX" back.
I'll never use that, so am looking for a standard back. I should contact
the factory, I guess, just haven't got around to it.
Would you want the Data back? I'll make you a good price on it. It's
virtually like new!

The LX came with the standard SC-21 focusing screen. I've never seen
"ground glass" so fine!  Anyhow, I plan to keep the screen. I quite like
it as is. . .

One thing about it. . .It's the heaviest 35mm SLR I've ever owned!
Keep in mind, I started with Retina rangefinders, many, many years ago,
stgarted shooting with a fine  Contax rangefinder, then a number of
other Olympus 35mm rangefinders, eventually settled on Olympus OM-series
(OM-1, OM-2, etc.) cameras and lenses.
All relatively small and light weight.

When Olympus decided to abandon the OM series, I sold my Olympus kit
entirely, bodies and lenses, and graduated to the Pentax platform -
started with an MG, later an MX, and a number of (9 at last count)
manual bodies and lenses after that.
Then, I found this beautiful LX!
Much happiness prevails!  

keith whaley
AOHC member #501. . .

Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show

[Steve Desjardins]

Can't think of a better title, but I like the shot.  


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re:

[Bill Owens]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:41 PM


Set the camera mode to manual, then use the aperture ring to set your
aperture.  Press the "green" button behind the shutter release.  The lens
then stops down to the chosen aperture for about 1/2 second and the shutter
speed is set for that particular aperture.  Press the shutter release to
take the picture.

Bill



> Could someone please explain how the *istD "fix" for
> K/M lenses works?  I dont see how it is possible to
> fully support the K/M lense's metering and aperture
> priority modes if there is no aperture cam sensor in the
> camera.
> JCO
> --
--
>J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com
> --
--

RE: K/M on *istD

[J. C. O'Connell]

sounds like no continous aperture priority or open aperture
metering, just a 1-shot stop down metering/AE.  while much better
than the initial offering, still not really a full support
of K/M lenses IMHO. Guess we'll have to wait for the "D2"
model to get back up to the 1975 technological levels of the "K"
film bodies.
JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: Michel Carrère-Gée [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:


J. C. O'Connell a écrit:

>Could someone please explain how the *istD "fix" for
>K/M lenses works?  I dont see how it is possible to
>fully support the K/M lense's metering and aperture
>priority modes if there is no aperture cam sensor in the
>camera.
>
Set the body at M mode
ste the aperture ring to the desired value
Push the "green" button
the body close the  diaphragm to preset aperture
then it take exposure metering, and set shutter speed to apropriate setting
the body re-open the diapragm to full aperture

Michel

Re:

[Michel Carrère-Gée]

J. C. O'Connell a écrit:

Could someone please explain how the *istD "fix" for
K/M lenses works?  I dont see how it is possible to
fully support the K/M lense's metering and aperture
priority modes if there is no aperture cam sensor in the
camera.
Set the body at M mode
ste the aperture ring to the desired value
Push the "green" button
the body close the  diaphragm to preset aperture
then it take exposure metering, and set shutter speed to apropriate setting
the body re-open the diapragm to full aperture
Michel

[no subject]

[J. C. O'Connell]

Could someone please explain how the *istD "fix" for
K/M lenses works?  I dont see how it is possible to
fully support the K/M lense's metering and aperture
priority modes if there is no aperture cam sensor in the
camera.
JCO

   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: Jim Apilado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pop photo review of istD now online


I liked the review in Petersen's Photographic.  Unlike Pop Photo,  they had
a caveat about using older K and M lenses on it.  I never saw that in the
Pop Photo article.  Of course,  all this is moot now since the firmware
update was released.

Jim A.

> From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:18:58 -
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Pop photo review of istD now online
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:19:17 -0500
>
> http://www.popphoto.com/assets/download/1142004172027.pdf
>

OT (but what isn't): Digital Ice`

[Shel Belinkoff]

The other day I saw how Digital Ice can remove imperfections
when scanning.  What wasn't clear to me is whether using DI
in any way "softens" the image.  As it was explained to me,
it shouldn't, but the fellow doing the explaining was new to
the technique himself, so I thought I'd ask here.

Also, I've heard the DI does not work well with conventional
B&W negatives.  Is that the case?  And, while on the subject
of B&W negatives, is it true that B&W does not scan well? 
Last year I scanned quite a few B&W negatives and they
looked fine to my uneducated eye.  

The scanner used in both situations was the Nikon Coolscan
IV ED super duper high end model, 4000dpi (sorry, I can't
keep track of all the model numbers).

shel 
photographe au chômage

Re: Pop photo review of istD now online

[Jim Apilado]

I liked the review in Petersen's Photographic.  Unlike Pop Photo,  they had
a caveat about using older K and M lenses on it.  I never saw that in the
Pop Photo article.  Of course,  all this is moot now since the firmware
update was released.

Jim A.

> From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:18:58 -
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Pop photo review of istD now online
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:19:17 -0500
> 
> http://www.popphoto.com/assets/download/1142004172027.pdf
> 

RE: cheap macro

[Cotty]

On 16/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>>So would that be gas, arc or mig welding?

>
>Well, I'm pretty sure that gas is available to me, as well as arc,
>however, for something as thin as the screw ring, it would probably be
>better to tig weld it, which is what they use to weld airplanes together
>since tig is best for thin type metals as it causes a minimum
>distortion. I really wouldn't want to mess up a screw ring trying to
>smash it in because I melted the mount, ya know?

This lady certainly knows her stuff here. Make sure you take some pics so
we can see!

You may or may not find this page interesting



I've got a bit of a reputation for bodging up one-offs, Rebekah, but I
always say that if the shoe fits...

Welcome to the list BTW.

I assume you are in the USA? I'm in the UK - England.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Pop photo review of istD now online

[Rob Brigham]

http://www.popphoto.com/assets/download/1142004172027.pdf

Re: Sony 828

[alex wetmore]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Brendan wrote:
> I thought one of the great advantages of digital was
> lack of grain?

For DSLRs this is one of the major advantages.  The Sony 828 uses a
tiny little sensor (8.8 by 6.6mm) with more pixels than the APS sized
DSLRs.  The photosites are tiny and have a lot of noise.

The same is true for most P&S digital cameras.

The noise on my Sony DSC-F717 at ISO 100 was about the same as the
noise on my *ist D at ISO 800.  The 828 has more noise as ISO 100
than the DSC-F717 did.

alex

Re: I'M BACK!

[mike wilson]

Hi Brendan,

Brendan wrote:
> 
> Yes I fell of the face of the earth again, quick
> question does the nomail option work? I'm over seas on
> dial up for a while

You have to contact DB directly and ask to be put on the list.  It's
not  (or wasn't, the last time I looked) an option offered on the normal
sub page.

mike

Re: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show

[mike wilson]

On the same theme and given the slightly aloof look, "Each time we meet"
from the song "Walk on by".

mike

graywolf wrote:
> 
> Frank, if that is the photo I think it is (I didn't look this time), "Passing
> By" would be a great title.
> 
> --
> 
> frank theriault wrote:
> > The original title was "Chop Suey Chickie", but it was pointed out to me
> > that some might take offence, so I toned it down a bit...
> >
> > 
> >
> > yours in Political Correctness,
> > frank
> >
> > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
> > pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >> For God's sake Frank, pull yourself together man.
> >>
> >> How about Asian Babe?
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>   Cotty
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> 
> --
> graywolf
> http://graywolfphoto.com
> 
> "You might as well accept people as they are,
> you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: OT: I've become my Parents-was:PUG Deadline Approaching

[mike wilson]

Josiah Grimsdyke wrote:
> 
> ramblings of a deranged mind

Been on the absinthe again?

Absinthe!  We had to make do with squeezed grass, etc, etc.

OT: WWII RAF photos on line

[mike wilson]

Hi,

I know some people on the list have a vague interest in picture
quality.  Here's an opportunity to see some 8-)

WWII pictures from RAF recce flights have been digitised and will be on
line from Monday.  The examples I saw on the news flash (D-day, Oswiecim
[Auschwitz], Tirpitz in Norway) lead me to believe you might be able to
identify Robert Capa on the beach, if you have a good monitor.  Or they
might be the ones they are not putting on line

Anyway, if I've remembered it correctly this is the URL.

HTTP://www.evidenceincamera.co.uk

I suspect that it will be impossible to access on the first day and will
then crash, due to massive access overload.  It will then take about
nine months to reconfigure and open again, without any publicity.  At
least, that's what happened with the 1901 census site.

mike

Re: Used DSLR prices

[John Francis]

> 
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:46:04 -0500 (EST), John Francis wrote:
> 
> > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:22:29 -0500 (EST), John Francis wrote:
> > > 
> > > > If you have to swap to disk, then putting the Photoshop scratch
> > > > space on a different physical drive [...]
> > > 
> > > Different than what?  The one that PS is installed on?  The one the OS
> > > is installed on?  The one that the photo is stored on?
> > 
> > Ideally, different from all the above - I've know people use a
> > dedicated drive just as a photoshop swap device.
> > 
> > Basically you don't want the disk heads to have to [move] ...
> 
> Oh, I understand that, but let's look at it realistically.  I've got my
> OS on one drive.  My swap file on another drive (don't want it on the
> same drive as the OS).  Photoshop on another (don't want, well,
> anything on the OS and swap drives).  Photoshop scratch space on
> another (like you were saying).  And my photo storage on another. 
> That's five physical drives.  AFAIK, you can't even do it with regular
> old IDE (or -66 or -100).  You have to have SCSI or Serial ATA or
> something.  For me, it might happen.  I'm a computer geek.  For most
> people it won't.

For a four-physical-drive setup, I'd suggest:

 o  One drive for OS and software (read once at process startup)

 o  One drive for OS swap file (and data backups, etc.)

 o  One dedicated for photoshop scratch space

 o  One (large) drive for image storage.

Sharing one drive for the OS and software installations isn't going
to be a problem; anything there will only get touched once.
In fact I'd even consider putting the photoshop scratch space on the
same physical drive (although on a separate partition) if pushed.
The usage patterns don't overlap all that much; the OS/Software gets
read at process initialisation time, and the photoshop scratch space
is only used once you've got everything started up and have read in
some image files.

Put the OS swap file & the photoshop scratch disk on separate disk
controllers, though.  That way you can overlap I/O transfers.

RE: Another Show

[Malcolm Smith]

frank theriault does it again:

> One of the guests knew of a cafe/restaurant that is always 
> looking for new art, and he said he'd give them a call to see 
> if he could hook us up.  So, I went to meet with the cafe 
> owner last night, portfolio in hand, and he liked it.  Wants 
> 12 pieces up on the wall in about two weeks.  Liked one shot 
> (my Asian Girl)
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1639375&size=lg

Well done Frank. Another busy period for you. The last time I was asked to
put something up on the wall, it was a couple of coats of emulsion.

Malcolm

RE: Slide show

[Malcolm Smith]

Mark Cassino wrote:

> Anyhow -  I have to say it was a lot of fun.  Projected 
> slides - even at a decent size (I projected mine to 4 feet on 
> the long axis and sat about 8 feet away) look a lot better 
> than scanned slides.  Projecting seems to be much more 
> forgiving than scanning, especially in regards to shadow 
> detail, and the grain - well, there just doesn't seem to be 
> much grain in the projected images.  I also had a whole 
> different feel for the image at the larger size, compared to 
> viewing it on a computer screen.

I always work out how much time I'm going to need when viewing slides and
then double it. There is so much to see in a good slide that I often lose
track of time (I only do this a couple of times a year, so there are often
quite a few to see projected for the first time). The other essential is a
notepad and pen. The last batch I had on the screen, had a parade of shops I
have known since I was very small. From this slide, for the first time I
noticed there was a 'dated' stone in the middle of the parade above the
shops. Now I will remember to go back and take a suitable close up of it. I
often find photos to pursue from a slide projection run.

Malcolm

Re: OT: I've become my Parents-was:PUG Deadline Approaching

[Dag T]

In Norway we had a monopoly with one channel until the middle of the  
80s.  The lucky ones had the two Swedish channels as well :-)

Regarding photography I´ve promised not to give up the darkroom before  
all three kids have made their own prints.  They will really have  
something to tell their grandchildren...

DagT

På 16. jan. 2004 kl. 23.42 skrev frank theriault:

"Why I remember back when we had to scan our prints..."

"Daddy, what's a 'print'?"

Which reminds me of a story.  I realized that I'd become my own  
parents when I was telling my kids of a pre-computerized, pre-VCR/DVD,  
pre-videogame world of broadcast-only television, where everyone had  
either rabbits ears on the telly, or a great honking antenna on their  
roof or on a mast lashed to the house.  And even at that, we got only  
5 channels (two Canadian, and three 'Murrican).  We thought we were  
Living Large 'cause we had one of them motors on the antenna that  
could rotate it to get the best reception!

I think my kids thought I was bullsh**ing them!

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The  
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




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Scanning, what scanning?

:-)

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Re: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show

[Chris Brogden]

I like "Passing By," but I like simply "Passing" even better.

chris


On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, frank theriault wrote:

> Sounds like you're thinking of the right one, Tom.  On of the titles I'd
> thought about a while ago was "Navigating the Crowds", but "Passing By" is
> much better, shorter, more to the point, and catchier.
>
> I'd love to use it with your permission.  I'll buy you a beer when you drop
> in to GFM, if I can use it.I mean, what the hell, I've promised
> everyone else a beer (or tea, or whatever).
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
>
>
>
> >From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Titles and captions ( was Re: OT: Another Show
> >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:06:03 -0500
> >
> >Frank, if that is the photo I think it is (I didn't look this time),
> >"Passing By" would be a great title.
> >
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