Re: Color space

[David Mann]

On Mar 4, 2005, at 1:27 PM, George Sinos wrote:
Converting back and forth between color spaces isn't a good idea.
You'll degrade things a bit every time you convert.  Perhaps an
oversimplification, but true.
It is true but it's only a small quantisation error.  Converting 
multiple times will definitely add up.  However I do recommend 
converting in 16-bits-per-channel mode because representing any image 
in 8-bit is pushing your luck even before you start processing.

Unfortunately Photoshop CS gobbles up memory bigtime when working in 
16-bit mode :(

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: Color space

[David Mann]

On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
AdobeRGB allows a significantly greater number of colors to be
represented without clipping.
Yes, this is correct.  The most significant difference is in the green 
channel.  Red and blue don't seem to be much bigger than with sRGB (in 
fact the difference in the blue channel is very small indeed).  As a 
consequence the cyan channel in sRGB is comparatively weak, and this 
makes it struggle a bit when driving CMYK printers (ie inkjets).

 If you're going to be editing
photos, it's much better to store the originals with AdobeRGB
colorspace and render them to whatever colorspace requirements
are set by the output printer or web display.
As a general rule this is pretty good advice.  There are arguments for 
using even bigger colour spaces but there are tradeoffs involved, and 
the decision depends a lot on the image capture (ie digital camera or 
film scanner), and whatever processing may have been applied to the 
file before archiving.

I'm having a fiddle with the ColorSync Utility which does 3D plots and 
comparisons of profiles.  Theoretically my film scanner can exceed 
Adobe RGB.  EktaSpace is a better match but I'd need ProPhoto RGB to 
enclose it almost entirely.  I still need to run some tests with my Q60 
slide to find out exactly what is practical though, as the film itself 
has its own limitations.  I might grab some highly saturated photos to 
test with as well.

As an aside, I didn't realise I had a "Web Safe Colours" profile on my 
system.  As you might expect, it's just a set of discrete points spread 
evenly across the 3D sRGB colour space.

I haven't read it yet, but I suspect that Bruce Fraser's "Real
World Color Management" would cover all of these kinds of topics
in depth.
I've learned a lot from his writings.  He has several articles on the 
web but some of the better ones can be hard to find (sorry I don't have 
them bookmarked anymore).

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[David Nelson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it 
yourself)?
Estimations:
40% Hyper program
30% Av
20% Tv
10% M
2. Do you shoot digital or film?
Digital.
3. If you shoot digital, have you changed how you do exposure since switching 
from film?
I think I'm in the first generation of photographers that has never used 
film.

Cheers,
David

Re: Color space

[David Mann]

On Mar 4, 2005, at 4:20 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I think that statement needs qualification.  Some, or perhaps even 
most,
typical labs, use only sRGB or ignore color profiles.
Thanks for qualifying my statement.  I wish I could have written in 
more detail but time constraints prevent me from going into great 
detail.

  However, and speaking only from personal experience here, quite a 
few will provide their
own profiles that you can use, or can use other profiles.  For best 
results
it's probably a good idea to have a little conversation with your lab 
to
determine what may be the best option. FWIW, I have six profiles that 
I use
for different labs and different paper stocks, not counting sRGB.
Do you convert your files into the lab's profile before sending them 
in, or do you only use their profiles for soft-proofing?

It's definitely a good idea to talk to the lab anyway - that's the only 
way you'll get any idea of their capabilities and their preferred file 
formats, resolution etc.  They'll also be able to offer good advice.  
In my case I couldn't find a good enough lab so I bought my own 
printer.

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki

[David Mann]

On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:48 PM, frank theriault wrote:
Neither of those people are me, but the Rossin is my bike.  It's what
they use on velodromes, like in the Olympics.  One gear, no freewheel
(so you can't coast) and no brakes.
My brother-in-law has a track bike (Avanti Pista).  Not long after he 
bought it he found out the hard way what happens when you're not quite 
used to that non-freewheel hub.  It doesn't help that he owns three 
other bikes (one road bike, one mountain bike and something that 
appears to be a bit of everything all in one).

The people I work with are pretty cycle-crazy (mostly mountain bikers). 
 One guy has been known to ride his penny farthing into work!

Cheers,
- Dave (yes I bike to work too but haven't been up the hill for a while)
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[David Mann]

On Mar 4, 2005, at 5:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing 
it
yourself)?
Aperture priority (I think that's Tv).  With the 6x7 I only use manual.
2. Do you shoot digital or film?
Film.
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

RE: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Simon King]

Gotta love a survey

1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it
yourself)?
45.5% - Av
56.9% - Manual
0.2% - Program mode
1.5% Learning statistical mathematics

2. Do you shoot digital or film?
Digital (and a wee bit of 6x6)

3. If you shoot digital, have you changed how you do exposure since
switching from film?
Yes, no heels before 5pm and I've dropped chiffon completely.

Havagoodweekend
Simon

   


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 4 March 2005 12:16 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Survey: How do you do exposure?

Okay, people like surveys and I've never done one. 

At the recent John Shaw Photography weekend I went to I was surprised to
learn he now shoots all the time with aperture priority -- since he
switched to digital. He uses a histogram to double-check metering.
Evidentially a lot of pros shooting digital now shoot aperture priority.


This felt good to know since I have changed from doing manual exposure
to Av (or Tv) since I switched to digital. Some, of course, did Av or Tv
before switching, or have always done one or the other.

So here's the survey, and to make it more accurate, sorry, there has to
be two questions. Actually, three, with one optional. 

I know one answer surveys are best, but I think a lot of us would be
interested in the answers. No joking, snappy, answers, please. Serious
survey. ;-)

1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it
yourself)?

2. Do you shoot digital or film?

Optional --

3. If you shoot digital, have you changed how you do exposure since
switching from film?

Re: Kyocera Pulls Plug in Contax?

[Alin Flaider]

  The mention of Sony as a potential buyer coupled with the rumour
  that Sony wants to be a DSLR player could mean we might see a Contax
  resurrection. Anyway, I doubt a powerful brand will just simply
  vanish. Look at Cosina-Voigtlander.
 
  Servus,  Alin

Cotty wrote:
  C> 

Re: CLA recommendations

[Cesar]

Scott,
I have had great success with:
   Gulfstream Camera
   1682 East Oakland Park Blvd.
   Oakland Park, FL 4
  954-564-8566
They have worked on quite a few of my screwmount cameras - about five of 
them.  They all work beautifully.

They have been in business since 1970 and have recently moved, Bob is 
the owner and the person I deal with most.  Maybe you can mention my 
name, they have just finished working on a couple of lenses of mine.  
They have technicians in residence and those they send items to.

I would have to see what each camera CLA cost me, but unfortunately, 
with my impending trip and the late hour I don't have the time to look 
it up.

They do not have a web presence.
Hope this helps,
César
Panama City, Florida
Scott Loveless wrote:
Does anyone have any recommendations for a CLA?  I'm in
outereastbuhjesus, PA, so I'll have to mail it.  Essex quoted me $100
on the K1000, which seems to be the going rate.  I'm tentatively
filing this guy, http://www.garryscamera.com/, in the
too-good-to-be-true category unless somebody has some experience with
his business.
Thanks!
 

RE: [pdml] OT - Another one bites the dust

[Jens Bladt]

I like thier latest pocket camera, the i4R:
http://www.fotokoch.de/digifoto/19366.shtml
Looking at this makes it easy to imagine, that they are planning to make
mobile phones :-)

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: David Chang-Sang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 3. marts 2005 13:31
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: RE: [pdml] OT - Another one bites the dust


Oh man!!!

There goes one of the great camera makers.
Having owned a G2 and T2 I can say that for the money, the cameras were
outstanding in build quality. The lenses were, needless to say, incredible.

But one could sort of see this coming - Leica will be next I think; seeing
as how they are currently in financial difficulty.
Contax gear will be missed.

Cheers
Dave

> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Farr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:18 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: [pdml] OT - Another one bites the dust
>
>
> The digital revolution takes another scalp:
>
> 
>
> regards,
> Anthony Farr
>
>
>
>

RE: Wanted to buy

[Trevor Bailey]

G'day Kev.
As of last weekend, Fletchers at Coffs Harbour still had a *istD on the
shelf.
I actually held it and drooled until the missus hit me up the back of
the head & dragged me out of the store.
Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
Grafton

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Waterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 4 March 2005 5:38 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Wanted to buy


I am seeking a second *istD for a backup body.

If anybody has one at a reasonable price, lets talk

Kind regards
Kevin

-- 
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. 
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

hot box material

[Kevin Waterson]

Just curious what the white fabric is on all these soft boxes and reflectors.
Looks like some sort of taffeta..

Kind regards
Kevin

-- 
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. 
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Wanted to buy

[Kevin Waterson]

I am seeking a second *istD for a backup body.

If anybody has one at a reasonable price, lets talk

Kind regards
Kevin

-- 
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. 
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Re: semi-OT: for free to good home... enlarger and darkroom stuff

[John Francis]

William Robb mused:
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Francis"
> Subject: Re: semi-OT: for free to good home... enlarger and darkroom 
> stuff
> 
> 
> 
> John, it's just an enlarger. No reason to be speechless.
> 
> William Robb 

I hate it when I do that :-(

It's too easy, unfortunately;  one too many tap on the "Enter" key
when backing out of a post means I end up sending an empty message.

(I was considering suggesting giving Shel first refusal for his
local community photography project, but wasn't sure whether it
was the kind of thing he needed).

Printing Raw Problems

[Timothy Stark]

I have recently started shooting Raw files, I have the update 
browser and photolab. I convert raw files to tif  and open them in 
Photoshop 7 on a Mac in OS X.

I cannot get accurate colour printing to an Epson 825, the colours 
are overly bright an browns become solarized reds. The same shot 
printed on an old 4 colour Epson 1160 are fairly accurate if a little 
muted.

Does anyone have a suggestion how to get the printed colour 
space into the correct range.

The most accurate print was made on the 1160 with sourcespace 
set to Untagged RGB, Printspace set to Adobe RGB, perceptual 
intent using Black point compensation. The print dialog box for 
colour management is set to colour conversion standard and no 
quartz filter.

I have tried to match these settings in the appropriate places in the 
dialog boxes for the Epson 825. However I can't get anything near 
accurate colour no matter how I adjust the settings.

I much prefer the Epson 825 as it is a far more modern 6 colour 
printer. Prints made from camera generated JPEGs are excellent 
and are very accurate in colour rendition.

Anyone have a suggestion as to what I am doing wrong?

Thanks in advance!

Timothy Stark

Focusing screen for *ist-DS

[David Oswald]

I haven't seen anyone selling alternative focusing screens for the 
*ist-DS, though screen interchangeability is listed as one of the 
camera's features.  Has anyone seen them listed for sale anywhere, and 
if so at what cost?

What screens are available?  I'm considering picking up an 'A' lens 
(pre-autofocus), but I'm hesitant because I find that the matte focusing 
screen sometimes just doesn't get me 100% of the way there.

In particular, I keep drooling over an SMC-Pentax A 135mm f/2.8.  You 
see FA's for sale occasionally here and there, but 'A's are often less 
expensive, and if I could jsut feel a little more comfortable with my 
ability to achieve decent focus I'd go ahead and get one.

I remember as a kid using my father's Olympus OM-2n, with its 
split-image, surrounded by some sort of prism, surrounded by matte. 
That seemed to be an ideal screen, at least to my young eyes back then.

Dave

Re: GESO: IL PDML 2005

[Cesar]

Boris Liberman wrote:
Hi!

Those are wonderful shots, Boris. 
Whenever I see stuff like that, it drives home to me what a wonderful
community we have on this list.  One day, if ever I win the lottery,
or some long-lost rich uncle dies and leaves me with his fortune, I'm
going to take a world tour, staying at PDMLers along the way.  What a
blast that would be!
 

You can always stay with us here in Israel. I can assure you of top 
quality humus and borscht that you would get. And then as usual you 
would have to come to local camera club which I am member of and give 
a short talk, like Jostein did :).


Boris
Careful Boris,
Some of us may take it as true invitation and actually show up there :-)
Hmmm, it would force me to brush up on my Russian - not since my high 
school days though :-(

I am thinking of a trip across the pond next year, I promised a friend I 
would visit her in Germany...

Lets see if USA immigration will complain about the condition of my 
passport,

César
Panama City, Florida
P.S.  For the first time I will actually go beyond the halfway point in 
terms of pages in my passport - not an accomplishment for some, but I 
will take what I can get :-)

Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki

[Cesar]

No one has pointed out that this is basically a bicycle very similar to 
the one we all learned to ride on - or those who had the opportunity, 
like the tricycle some had...

Bianchi owner, but no fixed gear yet...
César
Panama City, Florida
David Oswald wrote:
Thanks for the great explanation.  I can understand and appreciate the 
beauty and simplicity, but nevertheless can't imagine what it must be 
like to ride a fixed, for a number of reasons, all of which seem to be 
the reasons you love it.  Enjoy!  (and nice pictures).

frank theriault wrote:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:47:09 -0800, David Oswald 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


(everyone who's already heard the "fix gear love-in" may tune out and
delete;  we have a "newbie" here...)

cheers,
frank
PS:  There's not really a quiz now, I just said that to get you to pay
attention.  

Any PDMLers in Honduras? :-)

[Cesar]

I know, I have not been active but you know what I mean...  I will be 
dropping off the list sometime Friday night.

I am presently getting my gear ready for a three week trip to Honduras 
with my father.  We return on the 27th, there is no way my mailbox could 
handle the traffic on this list :-)
I cannot recall the last time I took three weeks off from work.  It will 
be greatly appreciated.

My plans are to take 50/100/400 color slide film (Fuji and Kodak mix) 
along with 100/400 b&w print film (TMax and Tri-X).  The question is how 
much to take, or how much I can actually take with me.

I am only doing a mainland trip.  The trip to the Bay Islands was two 
years ago.  There will a trip to the Mayan ruins of Copan - probably a 
two-day trip.  I will also visit the Spanish fort called El Castillo de 
Omoha.  From there it will visiting family and friends and trying to 
explore more of the country that I am not familiar with.  I am hoping to 
spend time in the countryside and explore.

Currently the plan is to take three LXen ;-)  I will probably also take 
the Optio S.  I will not take a computer.  Whatever fills the cards I 
have is all I will take with me.  Depending on the whatever space I have 
left in the bag I may try to slip in the *ist D.  You have to enjoy the 
compactness of Pentax cameras!
My father thinks I am crazy to take so much gear with me - he should 
meet this list :-)

As for lenses, I am thinking of taking the M 20/4, FA* 24/2, FA 31/1.8 
Limited, K50/1.2, FA 77/1.8 Limited, and the FA* 200/2.8 - the 200/4 
would take up less space, but I have gotten used to using the FA*.  I 
think I can afford the extra weight.
A Bogen monopod will also make the trip - lets see how much use that gets...

No real reason for the post.  I thought some may be interested...
Still seeing about a trip to London before GFMtn.  Time will tell.
César
Panama City, Florida
P.S.  Still waiting for a trip north in April.  Got to spend time with 
Norm while in Texas - awesome!

Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki

[David Oswald]

Thanks for the great explanation.  I can understand and appreciate the 
beauty and simplicity, but nevertheless can't imagine what it must be 
like to ride a fixed, for a number of reasons, all of which seem to be 
the reasons you love it.  Enjoy!  (and nice pictures).

frank theriault wrote:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:47:09 -0800, David Oswald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is an off-topic question, but does that bike have any brakes or
gears?  How does one stop?

(everyone who's already heard the "fix gear love-in" may tune out and
delete;  we have a "newbie" here...)
Sorry, David, I know you're not really a newbie, but you've not been
here long enough to know that I love fixed gear bikes, especially
track bikes.  So, since you asked, you have to sit through this.  Take
notes, there'll be a short quiz afterwards.  
Track Bikes 101:
Here's my bike:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2870605
Neither of those people are me, but the Rossin is my bike.  It's what
they use on velodromes, like in the Olympics.  One gear, no freewheel
(so you can't coast) and no brakes.  Brakes, gears, changers, all that
stuff has mass.  Take 'em off, and you have a lighter bike.  Fine, you
say, makes sense on a track, isn't it insane to ride that way on the
street?  Well, no, not really.  One can stop easier than one thinks,
using just your legs to slow down the pedals.  Really.  Once you know
that your stopping distances are a bit longer, you ride accordingly,
and change your reflex from "brake!" to "turn!" - you're always aware
of an "out", just like blading.
What's the advantage on the street?  Simplicity of mainenance, ease of
repair, quick acceleration.  That's why lots of couriers use them.  If
you go back to the pic, the bike peeking into the frame on the right
has front brakes, and I would advise anyone riding a fix gear bike for
the first time to run front brakes (or both front and back) for
minimum one year before going brakeless.
Here's my friend Vivian, not a courier, and accountant who couriered
to put herself through school:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2815736
A better view of a track bike with a front brake.
And, here's another view of my bike, just 'cause I think it's so
pretty (even though you can't really see the drivetrain):
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2938717&size=lg
So, there you have it.  Some (apparently, like Mr. Loveless )
think it rather dangerous to ride fixes in town.  I would beg to
differ, if only because I've ridden a track bike now for about 8
years, some 6 years brakeless, as a courier in Toronto.  I've ridden
road bikes, mountain bikes and track bikes in town, and none is
inherently more or less dangerous than another;  knowing the limits of
both rider and machine is what's important.
There.  Aren't you glad you asked?  
cheers,
frank 

PS:  There's not really a quiz now, I just said that to get you to pay
attention.  

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[David Oswald]

I may as well weigh in...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it 
yourself)?
Casual shooting I primarily do in 'P' program mode on both my *istDS and 
my ZX-5n.  Why? Because at a moment's notice I may hand the camera off 
to my wife.  She's not all that proficient with things like shutter 
speed, aperture, ISO, exposure compenation, AF zones, and so on. Yet I 
like to encourage her interest, and for now that means keeping it 
relatively simple when she's with me.

When it comes to a little more demanding situations, I'll switch to Av 
when I need control over DOF or to fine-tune the flash's reach, or to Tv 
when I need to guarantee higher shutter speeds because of lens focal 
length, tricky lighting, or subject movement.  Manual comes into play 
only occasionally; usually I'll resort to Av and +/-EV compensation 
instead of dropping down into manual.

2. Do you shoot digital or film?
Both, but lately primarily digital.  I have an *ist-DS and a ZX-5n. 
I've taken many more shots overall with my ZX-5n, but it won't take long 
for the *ist-DS to catch up since I seem to use it more than I ever used 
my film cameras.

3. If you shoot digital, have you changed how you do exposure since switching 
from film?
The only change I've made is that of using a greater degree of caution 
with regards to avoiding overexposure.  As has already been stated, 
overexposure leads to burned out shots, and so I am a lot more careful 
now than I ever was before to ensure this doesn't happen.  With print 
film there's a degree of latitude before an exposure becomes uselessly 
overexposed, but with digital that latitude seems significantly 
narrower.  For that reason I find myself using -.5 and -1 EV settings a 
lot more than I did with my film camera.

Dave

Re: PESO - Concerto

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!
Pentax *istD, Tokina 400/5.6, Tripod
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sysconcerto_0119.htm
ISO 1600, 1/90 sec @ f/6.7
Converted from Raw in C1 to jpg.  Sized and sharpened for web.  No
other post processing.
 

Thumbs up! I can raise my thumbs up because I've no clue about playing 
musical instruments let alone the piano :).

Great shot, really.
Boris

Re: GESO: IL PDML 2005

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!
I could have swore that I commented on this last night, but I don't
see my reply on this thread, nor do I see it in the archives.
 

Nutty, nutty, very nutty...
I must be going nuts.  (Okay, take yer best shot - there's a
straight-line if ever there was one! )
 

No, it is the list that is doing the above :).
Those are wonderful shots, Boris.  

Whenever I see stuff like that, it drives home to me what a wonderful
community we have on this list.  One day, if ever I win the lottery,
or some long-lost rich uncle dies and leaves me with his fortune, I'm
going to take a world tour, staying at PDMLers along the way.  What a
blast that would be!
 

You can always stay with us here in Israel. I can assure you of top 
quality humus and borscht that you would get. And then as usual you 
would have to come to local camera club which I am member of and give a 
short talk, like Jostein did :).

Anyway, all dreaming aside, thank you for a wonderful report - both
the words and the pix.
 

You're very welcome.
Now I am wondering who else beside you and Cotty responded and their 
response did not reach the list.

Boris

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!
[Well, technically, usually "none of the above"; I rely on the
fact that HyperProgram mode gives me either Av or Tv, on demand,
at the touch of a wheel. I rarely set the camera to Tv or Av]
   

I've never used a camera with HyperProgram or HyperManual
modes, but I get the impression that one or both of those
are just slightly more convenient versions of how I used
the Super Program sometimes ... just that it saves having
to move the mode switch when assuming or relinquishing 
manual control of shutter speed.  If so, I'd probably like
that a lot.
 

I think you will, Glenn. I tried it in August on PZ-1 thanks to Jostein. 
Now with my *istD, I cannot live without it :). It is just mighty 
convenient. So to the question of the survey:

- on *istD I use HyperProgram mode and then of course go Av or Tv at 
will. And of course with my non-A lenses I use HyperManual which is a blast!
- on MZ-6 it is usually Av mode and then I "shift" the program my 
modifying the aperture
- on Perkeo I it is naturally all manual :).

The other questions:
- I shoot mostly digital these days
- And as you can see from above I switched from Av to HyperProgram
Boris

Re: PESO: Concerto

[Bruce Dayton]

Sorry if this comes through again - my email wasn't sending anything
out yesterday.  It appears to now be sending out those day old ones at
a very slow pace.

Bruce


Wednesday, March 2, 2005, 6:24:43 PM, you wrote:

BD> My daughters play in the Sacramento Youth Symphony.  The manager asked
BD> me to take event pictures for the annual concerto competition.  This
BD> is one of the shots from the concert.

BD> Pentax *istD, Tokina 400/5.6, Tripod

BD> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sysconcerto_0119.htm

BD> ISO 1600, 1/90 sec @ f/6.7

BD> Converted from Raw in C1 to jpg.  Sized and sharpened for web.  No
BD> other post processing.

Re: AF teleconverters

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Amita,

You may think again.  I believe that AF converters have a reduction
gear inside to be able to drive the lens with that little bitty motor
in the camera.  So when you disengage the camera body AF, it still
feels heavier.  It actually turns just not as smooth as the lens
alone.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Thursday, March 3, 2005, 6:40:40 PM, you wrote:

AG> I went to B&H tonight to look at the Kenko 2x AF Teleplus MC7 Teleconverter.
AG> It seemed ok; the only thing that was odd was that I couldn't manually focus
AG> the lens with the telecoverter attached even when I switched to manual focus
AG> on the body. The lens seemed to be still controlled by a motor even when we
AG> took the combination off the body. The salesman said this had something to
AG> do with "magnets", but I don't believe it. I didn't notice an AF/MF switch
AG> on the teleconverter. We tried a different teleconverter and the same thing
AG> happened. 

AG> So, are there AF TCs out there that allow you to manually focus, or am I out
AG> of luck there? Any ideas on what was happening in this case?

AG> Thanks,
AG> Amita

Re: semi-OT: for free to good home... enlarger and darkroom stuff

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis"
Subject: Re: semi-OT: for free to good home... enlarger and darkroom 
stuff


John, it's just an enlarger. No reason to be speechless.
William Robb 

Re: Question about teleconverters

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

woof .. Yeah, I was looking at the 1.4x-S converter by mistake. 

Godfrey

--- Powell Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Try $ 385.95 at B&H.
> 
>
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&s
> ku=40735&is=USA
> 
> 
> At 01:49 PM 03/03/2005 , Godfrey wrote:
> >
> >A 2x-S for 20 euro? That's a darn good price. They're over
> $200
> >US new. I just bought a used one for $75 and thought I got a
> >good deal. :-)
> 
> 

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Re: semi-OT: for free to good home... enlarger and darkroom stuff

[John Francis]

Godfrey DiGiorgi mused:
> 
> I have a Beseler 23CII plus a ton of miscellaneous darkroom bits
> that I need to get rid of. This stuff has been sitting in a
> storage locker for years ... I believe it's in good condition
> but I haven't opened the boxes to check on it. I just need to be
> rid of it as I'm preparing to move. 
> 
> Anyone who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area who wants it,
> drop me a line and you can have it if you pick it up. 
> 
> thanks
> Godfrey
> 
> 
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Re: Magdalen College, Oxford

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: PESO: Magdalen College, Oxford


Taken a few years ago and just recently scanned...
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/magdalen.jpg
Needs a larger negative, a camera with distortion control, and black 
and white.

William Robb 

Re: semi-OT: for free to good home... enlarger and darkroom stuff

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: semi-OT: for free to good home... enlarger and darkroom 
stuff


I have a Beseler 23CII plus a ton of miscellaneous darkroom bits
that I need to get rid of. This stuff has been sitting in a
storage locker for years ... I believe it's in good condition
but I haven't opened the boxes to check on it. I just need to be
rid of it as I'm preparing to move.
Anyone who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area who wants it,
drop me a line and you can have it if you pick it up.
I'd just like to put in a plug here.
If you want a medium format enlarger, you can't beat the 23 series 
from Beseler.

William Robb
My other enlargers are Beselers too (4 at the moment).

Re: Question about teleconverters

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Powell Hargrave"
Subject: Re: Question about teleconverters


Try $ 385.95 at B&H.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&s
ku=40735&is=USA
Friggin amazing. I have two of em, paid 50 buck Canadian for each.
William Robb 

RE: AF teleconverters

[Don Sanderson]

I would guess it was a bad 2x, I have the Tamron MC7,
which I believe is the same as the Kenko and see no
difference in manual focus operation.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:41 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: AF teleconverters
>
>
> I went to B&H tonight to look at the Kenko 2x AF Teleplus MC7
> Teleconverter.
> It seemed ok; the only thing that was odd was that I couldn't
> manually focus
> the lens with the telecoverter attached even when I switched to
> manual focus
> on the body. The lens seemed to be still controlled by a motor
> even when we
> took the combination off the body. The salesman said this had something to
> do with "magnets", but I don't believe it. I didn't notice an AF/MF switch
> on the teleconverter. We tried a different teleconverter and the
> same thing
> happened.
>
> So, are there AF TCs out there that allow you to manually focus,
> or am I out
> of luck there? Any ideas on what was happening in this case?
>
> Thanks,
> Amita
>
>

PESO: Concerto

[Bruce Dayton]

My daughters play in the Sacramento Youth Symphony.  The manager asked
me to take event pictures for the annual concerto competition.  This
is one of the shots from the concert.

Pentax *istD, Tokina 400/5.6, Tripod

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sysconcerto_0119.htm

ISO 1600, 1/90 sec @ f/6.7

Converted from Raw in C1 to jpg.  Sized and sharpened for web.  No
other post processing.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce

semi-OT: for free to good home... enlarger and darkroom stuff

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I have a Beseler 23CII plus a ton of miscellaneous darkroom bits
that I need to get rid of. This stuff has been sitting in a
storage locker for years ... I believe it's in good condition
but I haven't opened the boxes to check on it. I just need to be
rid of it as I'm preparing to move. 

Anyone who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area who wants it,
drop me a line and you can have it if you pick it up. 

thanks
Godfrey




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RE: KEH Inventory???

[Don Sanderson]

There are no used AF primes but everything else looks normal.
21 used Pentax MF primes, lots of MF zooms, lots of AF zooms, etc.
Can't imagine why you can't see them.
Empty your browser cache?

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:32 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: KEH Inventory???
> 
> 
> I don't see any "used" Pentax lenses listed on KEH's
> site.  Do you folks see any lenses listed?  Where did
> they all go???  
> 
> 
> 
> --- Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I only turn to the NEW market, if there's nothing
> > used for sale! 
> > :-)
> > 
> > Jens Bladt
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> > 
> > 
> > -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> > Fra: Joseph Tainter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sendt: 3. marts 2005 02:35
> > Til: pdml
> > Emne: Re: KEH Inventory???
> > 
> > 
> > The D and DS have created a run on Pentax autofocus
> > primes. Pentax got 
> > caught flat-footed, with a lot of lenses out of
> > production. So everyone 
> > turned to the used market. It, too, is drying up.
> > 
> > We are now paying the price for the lackluster sales
> > of F and FA primes 
> > over the past 18 years.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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RE: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Trevor Bailey]

1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it

yourself)?

On the Z-1, Hyper P or Hyper M
ZX-L, Av mostly. But Tv with long lenses (300 to 600) to stop movement
blur.


2. Do you shoot digital or film?

Film

Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
Grafton.
Australia

RE: Kyocera Pulls Plug in Contax?

[Amita Guha]

The sales guy at B&H told me that tonight, right before he sold me a Contax
filter. He said he expects the store to be mobbed with people wanting to buy
up Contax gear when they find out.

Amita

AF teleconverters

[Amita Guha]

I went to B&H tonight to look at the Kenko 2x AF Teleplus MC7 Teleconverter.
It seemed ok; the only thing that was odd was that I couldn't manually focus
the lens with the telecoverter attached even when I switched to manual focus
on the body. The lens seemed to be still controlled by a motor even when we
took the combination off the body. The salesman said this had something to
do with "magnets", but I don't believe it. I didn't notice an AF/MF switch
on the teleconverter. We tried a different teleconverter and the same thing
happened. 

So, are there AF TCs out there that allow you to manually focus, or am I out
of luck there? Any ideas on what was happening in this case?

Thanks,
Amita

RE: fabric for backdrop

[Amita Guha]

Thanks for all the tips! Guess I'll head to my fabric stores this weekend
and look for some velvet or some "bathrobe velour". :)

Amita

Re: Bris PDML follow up...

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:40:04 -0500, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, c'mon - I showed my new bike!
>> (I showed you mine so now you have to show me yours.)
>
>I think Tan answered it on either another thread, or this one with a
>new SL, but in case you missed it, it's a Giant carbon fibre frame
>with Shimano Ultegra components.  

M... Carbon fiber!
Well at least I have a carbon fiber tripod.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

PESO: Magdalen College, Oxford

[Mark Roberts]

Taken a few years ago and just recently scanned...
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/magdalen.jpg

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Question about teleconverters

[Powell Hargrave]

Try $ 385.95 at B&H.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&s
ku=40735&is=USA


At 01:49 PM 03/03/2005 , Godfrey wrote:
>
>A 2x-S for 20 euro? That's a darn good price. They're over $200
>US new. I just bought a used one for $75 and thought I got a
>good deal. :-)

Re: Peso, Something simple

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault"
Subject: Re: Peso, Something simple


On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:50:59 -0700, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

How did you light up the inside of your nose like that?
I'm guessing he put the *ist D on a Pentax Endoscope.  I just hope 
he
cleaned and sterilized the tube before inserting in the nostril. 
You
never know where those tubes have been.
It's much easier to just treat it like a product shot, rather than 
like a FoundView®.

William Robb 

RE: KEH Inventory???

[Steve Pearson]

I don't see any "used" Pentax lenses listed on KEH's
site.  Do you folks see any lenses listed?  Where did
they all go???  



--- Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I only turn to the NEW market, if there's nothing
> used for sale! 
> :-)
> 
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Joseph Tainter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 3. marts 2005 02:35
> Til: pdml
> Emne: Re: KEH Inventory???
> 
> 
> The D and DS have created a run on Pentax autofocus
> primes. Pentax got 
> caught flat-footed, with a lot of lenses out of
> production. So everyone 
> turned to the used market. It, too, is drying up.
> 
> We are now paying the price for the lackluster sales
> of F and FA primes 
> over the past 18 years.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 




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Re: Road Trip (long-ish)

[Herb Chong]

just had to ask. i use my A* 400/2.8 with the 1.7x AF extender and *istD on 
a Wimberley head with a Wimberley P-50 plate. i'd like to replace the 
Wimberley clamp with a Really Right Stuff Lever Lock 2 long clamp, but i 
haven't gotten around to buying the 1/4-20 screws needed. the Wimberley 
clamp uses 3/8 screws and that is all the came in the box. balances 
perfectly because of the long sliding range of the plate. it balances even 
with the AF360FGZ attached. i've also stacked the 1.7X and 2X-L extenders 
just to see what i could get (don't bother).

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Stephen Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Road Trip (long-ish)


Anyway, they got out a full Wimberley atop a Gitzo 1410,
and I got out the 400 with LX and winder. We hefted
it up, slid it back and forth in the clamp a bit, tightened
it down, and loosened the gimbal controls. Oh, crap!
It balanced. Nicely. You really can move your rig around
with one finger. It's easy to see why people who have this
head love it. The Wimberley clamp is a help here: it has
channels in the bed that let the plate safety stops go
almost to the center in either direction. (I understand
that the latest RRS clamp does this, too.)

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Jim Colwell]

1. Av (manual when metering incident light)
2. both
3. bracket Av and Tv more often

Jim
www.jcolwell.ca

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Herb Chong]

1) 80% Av, the rest split about equally between manual and Program. i notice 
some people here saying that they use Tv to get the highest possible shutter 
speed. i use Av for that too. shooting wildlife, the long lenses stay wide 
open 80% or more of the time. except when shooting birds at long distances, 
i use evaluative metering.

2) i shoot 95% digital now.
3) i no longer need to bracket to ensure the most pleasing exposure like i 
used to have to do with slide film.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: Survey: How do you do exposure?


I know one answer surveys are best, but I think a lot of us would be
interested in the answers. No joking, snappy, answers, please. Serious 
survey. ;-)

1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it
yourself)?
2. Do you shoot digital or film?
Optional --
3. If you shoot digital, have you changed how you do exposure since 
switching
from film?

Re: Peso, Something simple

[frank theriault]

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:11:08 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It isn't much, but it's a picture.
> 
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/peso/Greenery.html
> 
> William Robb
> 

Well, FWIW, I like it a lot.

Minimalist semi-abstraction.

Or something like that.  Whatever one cares to call it, it works really well.

cheers,
frank


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Re: Kyocera Pulls Plug in Contax?

[Jim Apilado]

My favorite collectible is a Yashica YF, a Leica M copy, with the LTM mount.

Jim A.

> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:16:39 -0500
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Kyocera Pulls Plug in Contax?
> Resent-From: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:16:40 -0500
> 
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:26:02 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
> H...
> 
> That is big news.  And, sad news, too.
> 
> The article doesn't mention what's to become of Yashica.  They've made
> some pretty capable good cameras over the years.  My dad had a Yashica
> A tlr back in the 50's.  I have a Mat and an Electro 35, both of which
> I use from time to time, just for fun, and the image quality is pretty
> damned good (but they don't focus very well - oops, that's me that
> doesn't focus well... ).
> 
> I know Yashica dates back to at least the 50's, probably earlier.  It
> would be almost as sad to lose them as Contax (but not quite).
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> 
> -- 
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
> 

Re: eclipse + pec pads for CCD cleaning

[Herb Chong]

the pads are not recommended for sensors. the swabs are though, but they are 
very expensive and you go through them very quickly. are you likely to 
damage the sensor using the pads? it depends on what you use to hold them 
when rubbing against the sensor. also, if you believe the competition, 
alcohol-based cleaners get the glass spotless but leave them attracting dust 
because of static charges created by the swabs/pads. i got the Visible Dust 
brushes after going through 3-4 Pec-Pad swabs per cleaning session. at 
almost $3USD/swab, i would have to clean my camera about 15 times to make up 
the price of a complete set of Visible Dust brushes and cleaning solutions.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "David Zaninovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:56 AM
Subject: eclipse + pec pads for CCD cleaning


I ordered some eclipse, pec pads and some kind of rubber wand and I hope I 
will not destroy my CCD. :)  I don't like the idea of a
static brush, too expensive and I don't think it will work for stuck dust 
so I will have to use eclipse anyway.  Better to learn how
to use it from the start then.  Maybe if the static brush were around $30 
I would buy it as an addition to my cleaning kit but at
more than $100 I don't think it is the right price.

Re: Peso, Something simple

[frank theriault]

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:50:59 -0700, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> How did you light up the inside of your nose like that?

I'm guessing he put the *ist D on a Pentax Endoscope.  I just hope he
cleaned and sterilized the tube before inserting in the nostril.  You
never know where those tubes have been.

Actually, you ~do~ know where, which is why sterilization is a must.



cheers,
frank

-- 
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Re: Kyocera Pulls Plug in Contax?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault"
Subject: Re: Kyocera Pulls Plug in Contax?


The article doesn't mention what's to become of Yashica.
Whats happenned to yashica is that they are now a brand name on a few 
cheap point and shoot cameras, and one specialized film SLR (no, Tom, 
I don't have one).
They don't have a product line-up per se, anymore.
http://www.yashica.com/site.html

William Robb 

Re: PESO - Concerto

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/3/2005 11:57:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In your image, the way the lock of hair over the
pianist's left upper arm almost lines up with the
music stand in the background is unfortunate, but it's
still a very nice shot.

Rick

What he said.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: Four more Pug Comments

[frank theriault]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:12:14 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> "The dancer and the Wallflower"
> By Frank Theriault
> 
> I think the title change does this shot justice Frank. I love the harsh 
> contrast to this
> one.
> Good one.

Thanks, Dave.  If one doesn't have a suitable PUG entry, just change
the title of an existing shot, so that at least the title fits the
theme .  I also figured we've had lots of new listers since that
was a PAW, which was back around June or so...

Glad you liked it second time around.  

thanks for commenting,
frank



-- 
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Re: Color space

[George Sinos]

In response to several comments on color space.

Converting back and forth between color spaces isn't a good idea. 
You'll degrade things a bit every time you convert.  Perhaps an
oversimplification, but true.

All the more reason to shoot and store the raw images.  You can
convert the raw to any color space you need, whenever you need it.

I know, everything's a trade off.  Raw files are relatively big.

Look at it this way, storage gets cheaper every year.

See you later, gs

Re: GESO: IL PDML 2005

[frank theriault]

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:36:27 +0200, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> http://boris.isra-shop.com/il-pdml-2005.htm
> 
> According to Jostein, photographing of a person who's photographing
> themselves is one of the Cotty's strong suits...
> 
> I will probably compile another page, less humorous one.
> 
> Boris
> 

I could have swore that I commented on this last night, but I don't
see my reply on this thread, nor do I see it in the archives.

I must be going nuts.  (Okay, take yer best shot - there's a
straight-line if ever there was one! )

Those are wonderful shots, Boris.  

Whenever I see stuff like that, it drives home to me what a wonderful
community we have on this list.  One day, if ever I win the lottery,
or some long-lost rich uncle dies and leaves me with his fortune, I'm
going to take a world tour, staying at PDMLers along the way.  What a
blast that would be!

Anyway, all dreaming aside, thank you for a wonderful report - both
the words and the pix.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Kyocera Pulls Plug in Contax?

[frank theriault]

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:26:02 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 

H...

That is big news.  And, sad news, too.

The article doesn't mention what's to become of Yashica.  They've made
some pretty capable good cameras over the years.  My dad had a Yashica
A tlr back in the 50's.  I have a Mat and an Electro 35, both of which
I use from time to time, just for fun, and the image quality is pretty
damned good (but they don't focus very well - oops, that's me that
doesn't focus well... ).

I know Yashica dates back to at least the 50's, probably earlier.  It
would be almost as sad to lose them as Contax (but not quite).

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO - Concerto

[frank theriault]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:03:50 -0800, Bruce Dayton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My daughters play in the Sacramento Youth Symphony.  The manager asked
> me to take event pictures for the annual concerto competition.  This
> is one of the shots from the concert.
> 
> Pentax *istD, Tokina 400/5.6, Tripod
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sysconcerto_0119.htm
> 
> ISO 1600, 1/90 sec @ f/6.7
> 
> Converted from Raw in C1 to jpg.  Sized and sharpened for web.  No
> other post processing.
> 

Stunning!  

You've captured all the emotion of the performance and of the
performer with this one.  Love the tight framing, the OOF
orchestra-mates in the background, the look of concentration and
(almost) ecstasy on her face.

I love it! 

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Bris PDML follow up...

[frank theriault]

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:59:27 -0500, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey, Mark,
> 
> I think Tan answered it on either another thread, 

Actually, I think Ryan answered it, FWIW.

-knarf

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Bris PDML follow up...

[frank theriault]

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:40:04 -0500, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Yeah, c'mon - I showed my new bike!
> (I showed you mine so now you have to show me yours.)

Hey, Mark,

I think Tan answered it on either another thread, or this one with a
new SL, but in case you missed it, it's a Giant carbon fibre frame
with Shimano Ultegra components.  Her better half (or is Tan the
"better half"? ) also has a Giant CF frame, but with Shimano's
top-shelf Dura Ace components.  Apparently they have triathlon-type
aero bars, so's they can rest whilst riding .

Lance Armstrong don't need no stinking aero bars!   (actually,
they're illegal in road races)

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Gianfranco Irlanda]

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual
(doing it 
> yourself)?

I mostly use AV, using exp. compensation if needed. If I'm in a
situation where the light is even or when I want to do something
particular, then I use manual. TV is useful, for me, only when
shooting with flash when I want to save a bit of the ambient
light (but then I often prefer shooting in manual mode
anyway...)

> 2. Do you shoot digital or film?

I'd like to say both, but digital covers now 95% or more of my
exposures. I still use film in my carry around T5...

> Optional --
> 
> 3. If you shoot digital, have you changed how you do exposure
since switching 
> from film?

I almost didn't change my style of exposing when I switched to
digital. I'm more careful about the highlights but that's all.
I shoot a bit more, though...

Ciao,

Gianfranco


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Re: Road Trip (long-ish)

[Kenneth Waller]

For another take on a gimballed head, check out the Kirk King Cobra 
(http://www.kirkphoto.com/Welcome.html) I've been a happy user of one for 
several years with my 600 FA.

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mar 3, 2005 2:45 PM
To: Pentax List 
Subject: Road Trip (long-ish)

Hey, gang --

A couple of Thursdays ago I braved the beginnings of a
snowstorm and set off down I-81 to Winchester, VA, about
45 miles south of home, with an SMC-A*400/2.8 and two
bodies. Destination: Wimberley. Objective: Proving to
myself, once and for all, that this lens wouldn't balance
properly on a Wimberley head so I could stop lusting
after one.

Lens collars are one of my exasperation points with
Pentax. For every one they do right (the 600/4 comes
to mind), they do others with the foot too short and
too far back (like my 400), or omit it completely on
lenses that by rights ought to be collared. I'm using
a Really Right Stuff MPR-1 6" lens plate attached as
far forward as it will go, but even pulling it all
the way back in my ballhead's clamp, the rig is more
nose-heavy than I'm fully comfortable with.

Wimberley is in a small industrial park, two easy
right turns off the Interstate. Two smallish office
rooms in front, plus a back shop of indeterminate size
(I didn't get to see that). The tops of the wall
cubbies chronicle the evolution of the Wimberley head,
all the way from an early prototype made out of wood
and metal strapping. Nice people, too. David Wimberley
introduced himself, claiming that he's not a photo-
grapher. I asked how it happened that so respected a
photographic product was developed by a nonshooter;
he just laughed and kind of changed the subject.

Anyway, they got out a full Wimberley atop a Gitzo 1410,
and I got out the 400 with LX and winder. We hefted
it up, slid it back and forth in the clamp a bit, tightened
it down, and loosened the gimbal controls. Oh, crap!
It balanced. Nicely. You really can move your rig around
with one finger. It's easy to see why people who have this
head love it. The Wimberley clamp is a help here: it has
channels in the bed that let the plate safety stops go
almost to the center in either direction. (I understand
that the latest RRS clamp does this, too.)

It was interesting that the staff said they hadn't seen any
Pentax big glass in person. (They agreed that it's green,
by the way.) Would I mind if they took some digital images
of the setup? 

So a good time was had by all -- but the little angel and
devil on my shoulders, Enablement and Disenablement, are
yammering at me louder than ever. Sigh...

Later,
Stephen












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Re: PAW: Portrait of Kiki

[frank theriault]

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:47:09 -0800, David Oswald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is an off-topic question, but does that bike have any brakes or
> gears?  How does one stop?

(everyone who's already heard the "fix gear love-in" may tune out and
delete;  we have a "newbie" here...)

Sorry, David, I know you're not really a newbie, but you've not been
here long enough to know that I love fixed gear bikes, especially
track bikes.  So, since you asked, you have to sit through this.  Take
notes, there'll be a short quiz afterwards.  

Track Bikes 101:

Here's my bike:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2870605

Neither of those people are me, but the Rossin is my bike.  It's what
they use on velodromes, like in the Olympics.  One gear, no freewheel
(so you can't coast) and no brakes.  Brakes, gears, changers, all that
stuff has mass.  Take 'em off, and you have a lighter bike.  Fine, you
say, makes sense on a track, isn't it insane to ride that way on the
street?  Well, no, not really.  One can stop easier than one thinks,
using just your legs to slow down the pedals.  Really.  Once you know
that your stopping distances are a bit longer, you ride accordingly,
and change your reflex from "brake!" to "turn!" - you're always aware
of an "out", just like blading.

What's the advantage on the street?  Simplicity of mainenance, ease of
repair, quick acceleration.  That's why lots of couriers use them.  If
you go back to the pic, the bike peeking into the frame on the right
has front brakes, and I would advise anyone riding a fix gear bike for
the first time to run front brakes (or both front and back) for
minimum one year before going brakeless.

Here's my friend Vivian, not a courier, and accountant who couriered
to put herself through school:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2815736

A better view of a track bike with a front brake.

And, here's another view of my bike, just 'cause I think it's so
pretty (even though you can't really see the drivetrain):

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2938717&size=lg

So, there you have it.  Some (apparently, like Mr. Loveless )
think it rather dangerous to ride fixes in town.  I would beg to
differ, if only because I've ridden a track bike now for about 8
years, some 6 years brakeless, as a courier in Toronto.  I've ridden
road bikes, mountain bikes and track bikes in town, and none is
inherently more or less dangerous than another;  knowing the limits of
both rider and machine is what's important.

There.  Aren't you glad you asked?  

cheers,
frank 

PS:  There's not really a quiz now, I just said that to get you to pay
attention.  

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Don Sanderson]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:16 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Survey: How do you do exposure?
> 
> 
> Okay, people like surveys and I've never done one. 
> 
> 1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it 
> yourself)?

80% Av, 20% Manual

> 
> 2. Do you shoot digital or film?

Both

> 
> Optional --
> 
> 3. If you shoot digital, have you changed how you do exposure 
> since switching 
> from film?

Nope

Re: Color space

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

AdobeRGB allows a significantly greater number of colors to be
represented without clipping. If you're going to be editing
photos, it's much better to store the originals with AdobeRGB
colorspace and render them to whatever colorspace requirements
are set by the output printer or web display. 

I haven't read it yet, but I suspect that Bruce Fraser's "Real
World Color Management" would cover all of these kinds of topics
in depth. He talks about colorspaces and cliping to a reasonable
degree in "Real World Camera RAW" as well, which is in my
opinion one of the singularly most useful books to understand if
you are serious about getting the most from a digital camera.

Godfrey


--- Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >My impression is that AdobeRGB colorspace is 
> broader than sRGB, and that if I'm going to be working on my
> shots in 
> Photoshop, I should probably switch to AdobeRGB.
> 
> My understanding also. A wider gamut. I've read this in
> numerous places - John Shaw's E-Boook, & in "Digital
> Photography" by Eismann, Duggan & Grey.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David Oswald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Mar 2, 2005 6:30 PM
> To: "pentax-discuss@pdml.net" 
> Subject: Color space
> 
> Pentax's manual for the *ist-DS is a little vague on the issue
> of 
> colorspace selection.  My impression is that AdobeRGB
> colorspace is 
> broader than sRGB, and that if I'm going to be working on my
> shots in 
> Photoshop, I should probably switch to AdobeRGB.  But I'm not
> really 
> clear on what's at work here.  Could someone explain this a
> little, or 
> provide a reference?
> 
> Thanks!





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RE: Bris PDML follow up...

[Tan and Steve]

hehe!  Don't have it yet!  It is still on order!  BUT, I assure you there
will be plenty of photos to speak of when it does arrive!

:)

tan.

Tanya Mayer Photography

Brisbane, Qld, Australia
www.tanyamayer.com
Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549
Mobile +61 0437831247

-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2005 10:40 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Bris PDML follow up...


frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:34:56 +1000, Ryan Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Frank, you don't want to ask her what bike she's going to be hooked up
with
>> really soon, or how much it costs.. Let's just say that that if it were a
>> lens, it'd be big glass..
>
>Sure I do!!
>
>Now I'm curious.
>
>So, Tan or Ryan or whoever might know:  What's Tan going to be riding?
> Enquiry minds want to know...

Yeah, c'mon - I showed my new bike!
(I showed you mine so now you have to show me yours.)

--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Kenneth Waller]

!. Av

2. Yes (both)

3. No

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mar 3, 2005 11:15 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Survey:  How do you do exposure?

Okay, people like surveys and I've never done one. 

At the recent John Shaw Photography weekend I went to I was surprised to 
learn he now shoots all the time with aperture priority -- since he switched to 
digital. He uses a histogram to double-check metering. Evidentially a lot of 
pros shooting digital now shoot aperture priority. 

This felt good to know since I have changed from doing manual exposure to Av 
(or Tv) since I switched to digital. Some, of course, did Av or Tv before 
switching, or have always done one or the other.

So here's the survey, and to make it more accurate, sorry, there has to be 
two questions. Actually, three, with one optional. 

I know one answer surveys are best, but I think a lot of us would be 
interested in the answers. No joking, snappy, answers, please. Serious survey. 
;-)

1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it 
yourself)?

2. Do you shoot digital or film?

Optional --

3. If you shoot digital, have you changed how you do exposure since switching 
from film?




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Re: Peso, Something simple

[Peter J. Alling]

Ea.
Tom C wrote:
I like it.  Great constrasts and abstract.
Tom C.
How did you light up the inside of your nose like that?

From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: "Pentax Discuss" 
Subject: Peso, Something simple
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:11:08 -0600
It isn't much, but it's a picture.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/peso/Greenery.html
William Robb



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Re: Color space

[Kenneth Waller]

>My impression is that AdobeRGB colorspace is 
broader than sRGB, and that if I'm going to be working on my shots in 
Photoshop, I should probably switch to AdobeRGB.

My understanding also. A wider gamut. I've read this in numerous places - John 
Shaw's E-Boook, & in "Digital Photography" by Eismann, Duggan & Grey.

Kenneth Waller


-Original Message-
From: David Oswald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mar 2, 2005 6:30 PM
To: "pentax-discuss@pdml.net" 
Subject: Color space

Pentax's manual for the *ist-DS is a little vague on the issue of 
colorspace selection.  My impression is that AdobeRGB colorspace is 
broader than sRGB, and that if I'm going to be working on my shots in 
Photoshop, I should probably switch to AdobeRGB.  But I'm not really 
clear on what's at work here.  Could someone explain this a little, or 
provide a reference?

Thanks!




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RE: Peso, Something simple

[Tom C]

I like it.  Great constrasts and abstract.
Tom C.
How did you light up the inside of your nose like that?

From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: "Pentax Discuss" 
Subject: Peso, Something simple
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:11:08 -0600
It isn't much, but it's a picture.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/peso/Greenery.html
William Robb

Re: Pentax ME an MG

[Keith Whaley]

Jens Bladt wrote:
Thanks (for the support) Kieth.
Any shot to post from Hawaii?
Jens
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
Considering it was film (!) I'll see what has to be scanned yet, etc...
I'll go thru some tonight.
They'll compete with my Optio S4 pictures, however... I've a number of 
those! 

keith
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 3. marts 2005 22:17
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Pentax ME an MG
Jens Bladt wrote:
 
I've been playing around with and cleaning (outside) the ME and the MG I
picked up yesterday.
I believe the MG is really an underestimated camera. Noone ever says a lot
about the MG.

Hah! I do fit the "no-one" label rather well  but I have been touting
the quality and ease of use the MG gives you, ever since I got one years
and years ago!
Aperture priority and center-weighted, TTL metering.
I even got another body for a backup, just in case I might need parts
some day. I'm keeping those two forever!
I love the camera!
[rest snipped]

Re: March PUG comments

[Kenneth Waller]

Bob, thanks for the comment.
I'll post my submissions after I get them together and send them into the 
contest.

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mar 2, 2005 6:08 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: March PUG comments

Hi,

> re:  Life/Death - this was one of those instances when being
> there and witnessing the event was a reward in itself. I was
> fortunate enough to not only witness this but I had the proper
> equipment to record it also.

> In fact, I am in the process of submitting several images from
> this trip to the BBC Photo contest. 

> Wish me luck!

Good luck! A great opportunity, well taken. I'd be very interested to
see your other submissions.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob




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RE: March PUG comments

[Kenneth Waller]

Henk, this was the second year I was able to view the winners. Bill Sawyer, 
Paul Steinquest & myself visited the traveling exposition at the Detroit Zoo, 
in early February. The presentation (backlit) adds another dimension to the 
images.

I plan on entering both slide & digital images.


-Original Message-
From: Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mar 2, 2005 6:45 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: March PUG comments

Kenneth,
Good luck to you! I always go to look at the BBC World Wild Life
exposition in The Hague Museum (the latest one I saw was in January) and
every time I find it a very stimulating experience. This was the first
time I have seen entries made with digital cameras (before these were
not accepted), and in fact the winning picture was a digital one.

Henk

-Original Message-
From: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 March, 2005 10:41 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: March PUG comments


Henk, thanks for the comments & for taking the time to look & comment.

re:  Life/Death - this was one of those instances when being there and
witnessing the event was a reward in itself. I was fortunate enough to
not only witness this but I had the proper equipment to record it also.

In fact, I am in the process of submitting several images from this trip
to the BBC Photo contest. 

Wish me luck!

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mar 1, 2005 8:02 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: March PUG comments

Let me try to say some words about each of the March PUG pictures
because these are all too valuable. Don't see my comments as nitpicking
- I like all these pictures.

Henk


Life/death: unforgettable shot of high quality but which I don't like to
hang on my wall. The red colors of the bones as well as the presence of
the bird turns this picture into a candidate for the BBC World Wild Life
contest.












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Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Cotty]

On 3/3/05, Peter J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>And I thought I was the one going crazy.

[quip deleted due to apathy]




Cheers,
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Re: The F 50/1.4 gets even more valuable ...

[Ryan Lee]

I just sold ebayed for GBP140- that guy did quite well..

Cheers,
Ryan


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From: "Joe Wilensky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:52 AM
Subject: The F 50/1.4 gets even more valuable ...


> It's madness! An SMC-F 50mm f/1.4 for $359 ...
>
> I do have one of these, and while it is extremely nice, performing
> essentially the same (in my eyes, anyway) as the A and FA versions of
> the lens, the F version isn't a Limited ...
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3876909476&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
> Joe
> -- 
>
> Joe Wilensky
> Editor, Cornell Chronicle
> Cornell News Office
> 312 College Ave.
> Ithaca, NY 14850
>
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (607) 255-3630 phone/voice mail
> (607) 255-5373 fax
>
> http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle.html
>
>

Re: Road Trip (long-ish)

[Cotty]

On 3/3/05, Stephen Moore, discombobulated, unleashed:

[snipped]

>So a good time was had by all -- but the little angel and
>devil on my shoulders, Enablement and Disenablement, are
>yammering at me louder than ever. Sigh...

Nice tale Stephen.

Go for it mate! You owe it to yourself ;-)




Cheers,
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Re: black + film = pro?

[Cotty]

On 3/3/05, Bernd Scheffler, discombobulated, unleashed:

>One thought was (the thread about the black MX on my mind): Am I looking
>like a pro with a cute black camera and a real film?

Nope. Pros shoot digital.









;-)




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Re: black + film = pro?

[Collin R Brendemuehl]

At 14:20 2005.03.03 -0500, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:54:50 +0100
From: "Bernd Scheffler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On my way home I took some last shots to test my recently acquired black ME
super and entered the photo shop in the railway station while I still held
the camera in my hands and was srewing back the film. The clerk came up to
me and asked whether he could help me. "Ah, hm, no no, I just take out the
film ...". The last years nobody ever had offered me any help. Then he said:
"If you want really high quality prints you should take this envelope! The
prints are done manually."
One thought was (the thread about the black MX on my mind): Am I looking
like a pro with a cute black camera and a real film?
Best,
Bernd

Yes.

Peso, Something simple

[William Robb]

It isn't much, but it's a picture.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/peso/Greenery.html
William Robb

RE: Pentax ME an MG

[Jens Bladt]

Thanks (for the support) Kieth.
Any shot to post from Hawaii?
Jens

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 3. marts 2005 22:17
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Pentax ME an MG




Jens Bladt wrote:

> I'ave been playing around with and cleaning (outside) the ME and the MG I
> picked up yesterday.
> I believe the MG is really an underestimated camera. Noone ever says a lot
> about the MG.

Hah! I do fit the "no-one" label rather well  but I have been touting
the quality and ease of use the MG gives you, ever since I got one years
and years ago!
Aperture priority and center-weighted, TTL metering.
I even got another body for a backup, just in case I might need parts
some day. I'm keeping those two forever!
I love the camera!

> The MG is very similar to the ME, but it doesn't have a exposure
> compensation screw, like the ME (and the Super A etc.). It's a very nice
> feature. But the MG actually has a "memory scale" underneath the film
rewind
> knob. This makes it possible to use the ASA-wheel for exposure
compensation,
> without forgetting to which value is must be reset/how fast the film is.

Yes, an excellent feature!

> The light diodes in the viewfinder of the ME are all red. All of them!
> The MG has different coloured diodes. Red for under-/overexposure, yellow
> for "tripod needed" and green for "no probelms". Very convenient.
> Both cameras accept an MEII winder, I suppose.

According to the manual, it accepts both the ME II and the ME winders.

> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt

Thanks for bringing it up. Time to remind others on the list of how good
a simple camera like this
can really be!  

A few years ago, I took it and a bunch of K- and Takumar lenses, like my
135mm f/2.5, accompanied by the mount adapter, to Hawaii, and had a
quite capable kit! No worry about this being the only body I took
along... They all performed together admirably!

keith whaley

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Graywolf]

1. Manual 97.68% of the time (four of my five cameras have no other option).
2. Film (Did have a digital snapshot camera until a couple of years ago).
3. Not applicable.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, people like surveys and I've never done one. 

At the recent John Shaw Photography weekend I went to I was surprised to 
learn he now shoots all the time with aperture priority -- since he switched to 
digital. He uses a histogram to double-check metering. Evidentially a lot of 
pros shooting digital now shoot aperture priority. 

This felt good to know since I have changed from doing manual exposure to Av 
(or Tv) since I switched to digital. Some, of course, did Av or Tv before 
switching, or have always done one or the other.

So here's the survey, and to make it more accurate, sorry, there has to be 
two questions. Actually, three, with one optional. 

I know one answer surveys are best, but I think a lot of us would be 
interested in the answers. No joking, snappy, answers, please. Serious survey. ;-)

1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it 
yourself)?

2. Do you shoot digital or film?
Optional --
3. If you shoot digital, have you changed how you do exposure since switching 
from film?



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Re: eclipse + pec pads for CCD cleaning

[David Zaninovic]

8mm brush could be a compromise for me, it is in my price range and I think it 
would supplement eclipse + pec pads nicely.

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: eclipse + pec pads for CCD cleaning


> In a message dated 3/3/2005 11:55:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I have also spent the money on Visible Dust brush to use for not so
> stuck on dust - it should be quicker and easier.  It arrived yesterday
> so I have yet to try it out.
> 
> 
> Leon
> 
> I am going to sound like a bore repeatedly mentioning the John Shaw Weekend I 
> just went to. That is what he recommended. Be interested in hearing what you 
> think.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
> 

Re: Question about teleconverters

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A 2x-S for 20 euro? That's a darn good price. They're over $200
US new. I just bought a used one for $75 and thought I got a
good deal. :-)

Godfrey

--- pancho hasselbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I ran into a bargain, an A 2X-S in good condition, for less
> than 20 
> euro... Does anybody have knowledge about differences in
> performance in 
> comparison to the K T6 2x ?
> 
> Thanks for any answers, especially those related to my
> question ;-)
> 
> Pancho
> 
> 

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Re: eclipse + pec pads for CCD cleaning

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/3/2005 11:55:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have also spent the money on Visible Dust brush to use for not so
stuck on dust - it should be quicker and easier.  It arrived yesterday
so I have yet to try it out.


Leon

I am going to sound like a bore repeatedly mentioning the John Shaw Weekend I 
just went to. That is what he recommended. Be interested in hearing what you 
think.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[Fred]

> 1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it
> yourself)?

90% aperture priority (sometimes with an exposure comp override) and 10%
manual.  (Even on "program" bodies I never use the other modes.)

> 2. Do you shoot digital or film?

Still only film (but, I hope, digital also sometime before I grow old).

Fred

Re: Question about teleconverters

[Fred]

> Does anybody have knowledge about differences in performance in 
> comparison to the K T6 2x ?

[Hi, Pancho - here's my answer to a similar question a while back.]

I have used both the A 2X-S and the older T6-2X with several prime
lenses (especially with the M* and A* 300/4 lenses), and I have
found them to be both pretty good (considering, of course, that a TC
is always a compromise), and very difficult to tell apart optically.

Pentax, in the T6-2X owners manual doesn't seem to recommend its use
with lenses over 300mm, while the A 2X-S doesn't seem to have the
same possible limitation.

One thing you'd miss with the T6-2X would be the "A" electrical
contacts, which could be important with newer bodies (for matrix
metering, I guess), although this doesn't matter to me on my LX's
and Super A's.

One advantage the T6-2X has over the A 2X-S is that it is physically
shorter it's almost as short as the A 1.4X-S, and is about the same
size as the F 1.7 X "autofocus converter"), and makes a better match
for such compact lenses as the M* and A* 300/4's.

Fred

Re: OT - Another one bites the dust

[mike wilson]

Bob Blakely wrote:
Too few folks appreciate fine quality, either in their cameras or their 
images. Today's society is all about speed and convenience. The buying 
and using public says, "I want what I want and I want it NOW!" 
I would rephrase that to "I want what you tell me I want/what I've seen 
certain others using and I want it NOW!"

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[mike wilson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. How do you do exposure most of the time? Av or Tv or manual (doing it 
yourself)?
AV
2. Do you shoot digital or film?
Film

Re: Pentax ME an MG

[Keith Whaley]

Jens Bladt wrote:
I'ave been playing around with and cleaning (outside) the ME and the MG I
picked up yesterday.
I believe the MG is really an underestimated camera. Noone ever says a lot
about the MG.
Hah! I do fit the "no-one" label rather well  but I have been touting 
the quality and ease of use the MG gives you, ever since I got one years 
and years ago!
Aperture priority and center-weighted, TTL metering.
I even got another body for a backup, just in case I might need parts 
some day. I'm keeping those two forever!
I love the camera!

The MG is very similar to the ME, but it doesn't have a exposure
compensation screw, like the ME (and the Super A etc.). It's a very nice
feature. But the MG actually has a "memory scale" underneath the film rewind
knob. This makes it possible to use the ASA-wheel for exposure compensation,
without forgetting to which value is must be reset/how fast the film is.
Yes, an excellent feature!
The light diodes in the viewfinder of the ME are all red. All of them!
The MG has different coloured diodes. Red for under-/overexposure, yellow
for "tripod needed" and green for "no probelms". Very convenient.
Both cameras accept an MEII winder, I suppose.
According to the manual, it accepts both the ME II and the ME winders.
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
Thanks for bringing it up. Time to remind others on the list of how good 
a simple camera like this
can really be!  

A few years ago, I took it and a bunch of K- and Takumar lenses, like my 
135mm f/2.5, accompanied by the mount adapter, to Hawaii, and had a 
quite capable kit! No worry about this being the only body I took 
along... They all performed together admirably!

keith whaley

Re: Question about teleconverters

[Bob W]

Hi,

> I ran into a bargain, an A 2X-S in good condition, for less than 20 
> euro... Does anybody have knowledge about differences in performance in
> comparison to the K T6 2x ?

I used to have a T6 2X and an A 2X-L. They were both very good. I
guess the A 2X-S is of the same calibre.

For less than 20 Euros you should just buy it. If you already have
a T6 2X you can compare them, sell one, and still make a decent
profit, if you want to. Or sell it on at cost, and feel righteous.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: PESOs - Couple of quick snaps

[Ronald Arvidsson]

Hi David,
I really liked the close up of the lobelias. The colours are great. The 
BW reminds of when I was in NZ over Xmas with my family. we had a lot of 
rain but the forests you got they are just amazing (Karamea).

Cheers,
Ronald

Question about teleconverters

[pancho hasselbach]

Hi,
I ran into a bargain, an A 2X-S in good condition, for less than 20 
euro... Does anybody have knowledge about differences in performance in 
comparison to the K T6 2x ?

Thanks for any answers, especially those related to my question ;-)
Pancho

RE: PESO - Concerto

[Shel Belinkoff]

Good one, Bruce 

Looks a little flat on my monitor but that in no way takes away from it
being a good shot.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sysconcerto_0119.htm
>
> ISO 1600, 1/90 sec @ f/6.7
>
> Converted from Raw in C1 to jpg.  Sized and sharpened for web.  No
> other post processing.
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce

Re: eclipse + pec pads for CCD cleaning

[David Zaninovic]

> I use Pec pads and Eclipse and a Sensor swipe wand.  It works well
> though it may take a few attempts to get all the dust off.  I also find
> it's a pain to wrap the pad around the wand.
> 
> I have also spent the money on Visible Dust brush to use for not so
> stuck on dust - it should be quicker and easier.  It arrived yesterday
> so I have yet to try it out.

Please report the results.

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[John Francis]

D. Glenn Arthur Jr. mused:
> 
> John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [Well, technically, usually "none of the above"; I rely on the
> > fact that HyperProgram mode gives me either Av or Tv, on demand,
> > at the touch of a wheel. I rarely set the camera to Tv or Av]
> 
> I've never used a camera with HyperProgram or HyperManual
> modes, but I get the impression that one or both of those
> are just slightly more convenient versions of how I used
> the Super Program sometimes ... just that it saves having
> to move the mode switch when assuming or relinquishing 
> manual control of shutter speed.  If so, I'd probably like
> that a lot.
> 
>   -- Glenn

Neither HyperProgram nor HyperManual are exactly the same as
using a Super Program and switching between manual & auto
shutter speed selection.

You don't mention whether the lens is set to the "A" position
or not, so I'll address those cases separately:

 1) Lens set to "A".
(Changing the shutter speed selection mechanism results
in switching between "P" and "Tv" modes of operation.)

This is (a subset of) HyperProgram mode.  To switch to
Tv operation, simply adjust the shutter speed wheel.
To switch back to "P" mode, push the green button.

That's rather simpler than moving the mode switch on
the Super Program.  You also get the ability to switch
to Av mode by just adjusting the (rear) aperture wheel.

 2) Lens not on the "A" position (includes older lenses).
(Changing the shutter speed selection mechanism results
in switching between "Av" and "M" modes of operation.)

HyperProgram and/or HyperManual modes don't mimic this
mode of operation too well.  Not only that - behaviour
differs depending on which HyperCapable body you use.

On the PZ-1p, for example, moving a lens off the "A"
position while in HyperProgram mode automatically puts
you into "Av" mode.  Attempting to change the shutter
speed by adjusting the front wheel has no effect; it
doesn't automagically switch you into manual exposure.

On the *ist-D, which lacks the ability to detect what
aperture is selected on the lens aperture ring, moving
a lens off "A" while in HyperProgram mode gives you an
almost useless kind of "Av" mode; the setting on the
lens aperture ring will be ignored, and both metering
and exposure will be done at full aperture.

HyperManual mode behaves much the same on both bodies.
Pushing the green button causes the camera to meter (using
stop-down metering on the *ist-D), and adjust the exposure
appropriately based on the light level.  Whether this is
done by adjusting shutter speed, aperture, or both depends
on whether there is an "A" lens mounted (if not, the only
choice is to adjust shutter speed), and by a user-selected
Pentax Function. But in any case this is a one-off operation;
if the light changes the camera won't automatically adjust
the exposure again.

Re: Survey: How do you do exposure?

[D. Glenn Arthur Jr.]

> >KX -- usually Av, frequently M;
> >
> Av???

WHOOPS!  I meant K2 there, not KX!

-- Glenn

Re: PESO - Concerto

[pnstenquist]

Nice shot. Beautiful color, nice frame. 
My daughter plays with the Michigan State University Philharmonic. I shot a few 
pics from my seat with Superia 1600, my Leica IIIf and a 135 Hektor, but that 
camera is whisper quiet. I'd love to get some shots off a tripod with the *istD 
and big glass but I'm afraid it's too noisy. And my daughter is very shy. She'd 
probably faint dead away if she saw dad out there with a 400mm lens .


> Very nice, Bruce.  Musical events are under-rated as
> opportunities for action photography, especially
> classical music events.
> 
> In your image, the way the lock of hair over the
> pianist's left upper arm almost lines up with the
> music stand in the background is unfortunate, but it's
> still a very nice shot.
> 
> Rick
> 
> P.S. I've got 6 rolls of Superia 1600 in my bag (and
> more on order) to shoot the high school production of
> The Music Man my son is in, which will keep me busy
> the next 3 evenings.
> 
> --- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > My daughters play in the Sacramento Youth Symphony. 
> > The manager asked
> > me to take event pictures for the annual concerto
> > competition.  This
> > is one of the shots from the concert.
> > 
> > Pentax *istD, Tokina 400/5.6, Tripod
> > 
> > http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sysconcerto_0119.htm
> > 
> > ISO 1600, 1/90 sec @ f/6.7
> > 
> > Converted from Raw in C1 to jpg.  Sized and
> > sharpened for web.  No
> > other post processing.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Best regards,
> > Bruce
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO - Concerto

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Jim,

Actually, this shot is not of my daughter - this is one of the
concerto winners.  Since I was shooting not just for myself, but for
the Youth Symphony, I took many shots that didn't include my own.

Thanks, though 

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Thursday, March 3, 2005, 10:43:54 AM, you wrote:

JH> Bruce:

JH> A very nice shot of one daughter, where's the other(s)?

JH> Jim

JH> Bruce Dayton wrote:

>> My daughters play in the Sacramento Youth Symphony.  The manager asked
>> me to take event pictures for the annual concerto competition.  This
>> is one of the shots from the concert.
>> 
>> Pentax *istD, Tokina 400/5.6, Tripod
>> 
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sysconcerto_0119.htm
>> 
>> ISO 1600, 1/90 sec @ f/6.7
>> 
>> Converted from Raw in C1 to jpg.  Sized and sharpened for web.  No
>> other post processing.
>> 

Re: PESO - Concerto

[Rick Womer]

Very nice, Bruce.  Musical events are under-rated as
opportunities for action photography, especially
classical music events.

In your image, the way the lock of hair over the
pianist's left upper arm almost lines up with the
music stand in the background is unfortunate, but it's
still a very nice shot.

Rick

P.S. I've got 6 rolls of Superia 1600 in my bag (and
more on order) to shoot the high school production of
The Music Man my son is in, which will keep me busy
the next 3 evenings.

--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My daughters play in the Sacramento Youth Symphony. 
> The manager asked
> me to take event pictures for the annual concerto
> competition.  This
> is one of the shots from the concert.
> 
> Pentax *istD, Tokina 400/5.6, Tripod
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sysconcerto_0119.htm
> 
> ISO 1600, 1/90 sec @ f/6.7
> 
> Converted from Raw in C1 to jpg.  Sized and
> sharpened for web.  No
> other post processing.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 





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