RE: The Photographer's Rights

[Gautam Sarup]

> Libertarian.

Unfortunately they come with their own kooks:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=70

Cheers,
G

> -Original Message-
> From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "pentax list" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:20 AM
> Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights
> 
> 
> > On 16/8/05, Tom Reese, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> > >You might want to take this quiz:
> > >
> > >http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
> >
> > Left Liberal.
> 
> Libertarian.  all the "political quizzes" I've taken classify me as
> libertarian
> 
> Christian
> 
> 

PESO: Others 2005 - 32p - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Came across this picture today, taken a few weeks ago in San  
Francisco, while I was looking for the set I'll bring to the Slide  
Slam on Friday. It's a little different from what I've been working  
on lately:


  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/32p.htm

Comments, critique, flames ... all appreciated.

enjoy
Godfrey

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Lucas Rijnders]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:31:54 +0200, Glen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


At 03:44 PM 8/17/2005, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:


16-45, 20-35 and the FAs,* from memory are in that list. I still see no
answer as to the problem with variable aperture lenses.





Also, the constant-maximum-aperture zooms tend to be better quality  
lenses,
from what I've seen. This may or may not be because of any technical  
reason
related to their constant maximum aperture, but it sure seems to be the  
trend.


Not supported by any knowledge of lens production, but I don't think  
there's a technical reason:
Constant aperture zooms are always fast(ish), at least at one end. This  
means they won't be cheap. Furthermore, I think that customers who care  
about a constant aperture certainly care for optical performance or build  
quality. That would mean there simply isn't a market for a bad (but  
expensive) constant aperture zoom.


--
Regards, Lucas

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Lucas Rijnders]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:05:41 +0200, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


På 17. aug. 2005 kl. 21.39 skrev Joseph Tainter:


Didn´t Pentax plan to introduce a Limited DA-lens in the 50-60mm
range? That would be nice if it has an aperture in the 1.4 area, even
if it was more expensive.

DA 60-70 pancake. Probably another f2.8.


2.8?

We don´t know that.

Anyway, I mentioned it as a possible explanation for dropping the 50mm
1.4.  A 65mm 2.8 wouldn´t serve as an alternative.


DA 60-70 is right in the 'portrait' range, isn't it? In that case a f/1,4  
or f/1,8 would be perfectly possible...


--
Regards, Lucas

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Lucas Rijnders]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:02:54 +0200, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:





electronic mementos of their travels.  My father in law has a couple of
digital compacts in the _2Mpixel range.  He insists on printing the
results at A4 size and proudly showing them to me.  They look like out
of focus shots taken with Scotchchrome 1000 but who am I to tell him
that?  He is happy.




Wow, that's recognisable. I often put up small scans of photo's of my son  
on the internet for his grandparents to see. My father-in-law immediately  
took a 600x400 pixel picture, cropped (!) and printed at A4. He was happy  
as well with the quality -I was not.


I decided not to say anything, and get him an enlargement next time  
_before_ I put a web gallery up ;-)


--
Regards, Lucas

Correction -Childs Intuition

[Jay Taylor]

Correction: Shot with the FA 50/F 1.4

Here is a recent shot of my grandson Darius with my cousin Jim Davidson 
from Minnesota. Darius seemed to immediately  have a bond with Jim (who 
is just a great person) shortly after meeting him for the first time. 
It's funny how young children really have a strong sense of who good 
people are. Taken with the *istDS and the FA 50/F1.4

Comments welcome as always.

Jay T

http://i.pbase.com/v3/87/63987/1/47696778.DariusJim.jpg

Childs Intuition

[Jay Taylor]

Here is a recent shot of my grandson Darius with my cousin Jim Davidson 
from Minnesota. Darius seemed to immediately  have a bond with Jim (who 
is just a great person) shortly after meeting him for the first time. 
It's funny how young children really have a strong sense of who good 
people are. Taken with the *istDS and the FA 24/F2.0 IL.

Comments welcome as always.

Jay T

http://i.pbase.com/v3/87/63987/1/47696778.DariusJim.jpg

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[David Mann]

On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:05 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:


There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
--Mark Twain


Ah. I got it wrong. Three kinds, of course...


Noone expects the Spanish statistician...

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

FA35/2 arrived ...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Just paged through 16 exposures made today with the FA35/2 AL that  
arrived earlier. This is a very nice lens: I can see its crispness  
and contrast in the viewfinder immediately, and the OOF rendering is  
very nice too, quite similar to the F50/1.7, I think, at first  
glances. I also like that it is very compact and very light weight.  
The focal length coupled with f/2 speed is a good complement my other  
frequently used lenses.


My Pentax lens kit is just about as complete as I need it to be. More  
than I need, actually: I'll be going through the equipment cabinet  
and putting some of the extras up for sale. No point to me in  
hoarding lenses that will not be used often.


Godfrey

RE: PESO: Out door "Piercing Studio"

[Doug Franklin]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:03:56 +0200, Tim Øsleby wrote:

> With this in mind, I am asking again. How do we adults react
> when a young girl stick a needle into herself several times in
> public (the red spots in her face aren't pimples), with fear
> and/or pain in her eyes?

There is no answer outside of the person.  We can guide.  We can
educate.  We can offer ourselves as (bad?) examples.  But each person
makes their own choices.  We can't force our choices on them ... at
least not successfully.  All we can do is show them a path an hope that
they choose it.  For a variety of reasons, that you probably are more
familiar with than I am, these kids have chosen self destructive paths.
 The only thing we can do is show them alternatives and acceptance.  If
you're religious you can offer that totem.  But they've probably
already rejected it, often for very good reasons.  No one can be saved.
 Everyone can save themselves.  In a lot of ways, your situation is
analogous to that of an oncologist.  Except that your "patients" have
the opportunity to choose their own salvation.  And their choice is the
only hope they can have, though the often either don't realize that, or
actively reject it, or both.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

RE: The Photographer's Rights

[Gautam Sarup]

That ought to have gone out with a smiley or some such.
So here it again -

I'm a zealot on the edge. :)

--G

> -Original Message-
> From: Gautam Sarup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:49 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights
>
>
> > The Centrist will most time give an "it depends" type of
> answer, it's the
> > zealots on the edges whose answers will be more predictable.
>
> I'm a zealot on the edge.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:52 AM
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights
> >
> >
> > Quoting keithw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I came out as a centrist, something I never gave much thought
> > about being...
> > > As I gave it some thought, I realized that as with most Q & A quizzes,
> > > there ARE no clear yes or no answers to a lot of subjects ~ that the
> > > phrase "it depends" applies as often as not.
> > > In other words, it's not a black and white world, and it really DOES
> > > depend on the situation in any given instance...
> >
> > The Centrist will most time give an "it depends" type of
> answer, it's the
> > zealots on the edges whose answers will be more predictable.
> > William Robb
> >
> >
>
>

slide slam anyone?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The San Francisco organization photoAlliance is hosting their third  
annual "Slide Slam!" this Friday evening. I've never been to one  
before, thought it might be a giggle.. Details are on this page:


  http://www.photoalliance.org/

I'm busily pulling 10 photographs to submit on CD...

Godfrey

RE: The Photographer's Rights

[Gautam Sarup]

> The Centrist will most time give an "it depends" type of answer, it's the
> zealots on the edges whose answers will be more predictable.

I'm a zealot on the edge.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:52 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights
> 
> 
> Quoting keithw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> 
> >
> > I came out as a centrist, something I never gave much thought 
> about being...
> > As I gave it some thought, I realized that as with most Q & A quizzes,
> > there ARE no clear yes or no answers to a lot of subjects ~ that the
> > phrase "it depends" applies as often as not.
> > In other words, it's not a black and white world, and it really DOES
> > depend on the situation in any given instance...
> 
> The Centrist will most time give an "it depends" type of answer, it's the
> zealots on the edges whose answers will be more predictable.
> William Robb
> 
> 

Re: OT: Studio lighting

[Scott Loveless]

Thanks for the link, Paul.  I looked at those quite a while back.  I
wasn't really in the market for strobes at the time.  Looking at them
again, they have quite a few perks.  Small, light, nifty colors, etc. 
But those reflectors are tiny.  I like a rather diffuse light, so I'd
probably have to get some umbrellas or softboxes, but it looks like
they sell those too.  Thanks again, Paul.  Definitely something to
consider.

On 8/17/05, Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scott -
> 
> Check out Alienbees.  They're a division of White Lightening.  Good
> value for the investment - customer service is great.  Adjustable over a
> 5 f-stop range, built-in slave, built-in modeling light, low trigger
> voltage so they're safe on the camera electronics.
> 
> I have three of them, with a fourth in the not too distant future.  They
> offer a 10% discount if you're enrolled in a US college, university or
> community college.  All you need is a student ID.
> 
> http://www.alienbees.com/
> 
> -P
> 
> Scott Loveless wrote:
> > Howdy, gang!
> >
> > I've been toying with the idea of buying a couple of strobes for
> > portraiture.  Whilst looking of the rather meager local selection I
> > came across a continuous (not flash) cold light set.  The set includes
> > a couple of three bulb 16" reflectors, diffusion screens, and stands.
> > They're low wattage, 5000K fluorescent lights, and they're very
> > affordable - about one-fifth what I was planning on spending for
> > strobes.  RPS advertises them as lighting for digital photography, but
> > since I shoot mainly black and white I thought they might work for me.
> >  Any thoughts on this type of lighting?  Any recommendations for other
> > brands?
> >
> > This is the first online retailer I found who carries them:
> > http://www.warehousephoto.com/amazing/itemdesc.asp?CartId={D8D0D312-3C44-4EF4-B9B0-5F1EVERESTFF6BDA1E0}&ic=24209&eq=&Tp=
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> 
> 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Powell Hargrave"

Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights


>Com to think of it, the last couple of summers have been cool and damp 
>here.

William Robb



Hm.  Saskatchabush with trees

I know you do have lovely bushy places if a person goes far enough north.
My mother came from Christopher Lake so I'm half stubble jumper.


Northern Sask is wonderful, some of the prettiest scenery on the planet is 
northern Sask.
Southern Sask has some cool badlands, the Cypress hills area is nice, albeit 
somewhat beaten down now.

It's just around Regina that it's bland as skim milk.

William Robb 

Re: My visit with Ann

[Scott Loveless]

Thanks for the reply, Bill.  I'm sorry it's taken me so long to
respond.  Interspersed.

On 8/13/05, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Loveless"
> Subject: Re: My visit with Ann
> 
> 
> > Wonderful photos, Bill.  I really like "roadwalk".
> 
> Thanks Scott. It's pretty dead center as far as composition goes, but I tend
> to shoot things that way.
> 
> >
> > Care to share your opinion of the 750?  I'd certainly be interested.
> 
> I quite like the little thing.
> I shot some tiffs with it, and they take a while to send to card, but jpegs
> are fast enough.

I've noticed that the 750 is a bit slow when using higher capacity
cards.  I've got a 1GB card in mine, and once the card gets about half
full, the slowdown is noticeable.  I suppose this could be due to me
buying a cheap, slow card, too.

> It's got all the bad things that go along with the breed, the viewfinder is
> kinda sucky, but the LCD works well enough, and it is pretty slow to take a
> picture once the button is pushed, but all digital P&S cameras share this
> trait
> . It's small without being too tiny. The 5mp Optio I was looking at was one
> of the fits in an Altoids tin cameras, and I decided it was too small, I
> figured I would lose it for sure.
> The sensor is a wee bit noisy, but not objectionably so. I've seen much
> worse. I leave the iso set to auto adjust, so I am getting the occassional
> really noisy picture from it, but I figure that is in conditions that I
> would have to increase the ISO anyway.
> The mode button is a bit stiff to move, which is a good thing, my old Canon
> was so easy to turn that you had to be continually checking the mode dial to
> ensure you were shooting what you wanted to shoot.

I think that the power button is properly located.  I have an old
IQZoom EZY-R that has the power button directly in front of the
shutter release.  It really sucks to try to take a photo and turn the
damned thing off instead.  So I definitely know where you're coming
from in regards to the mode switch.

> It has a cool little light meter in manual, and is pretty easy to use
> manually. The rocker switch adjusts both aperture and shutter speed, and it
> gives a clipping warning for both highlights and shadows on the preview if
> you so desire.

I used the light meter with my 4x5 camera once.  After burning through
my last five Polaroid exposures, I just took the picture with the 750.
 :)  After comparing the meter in the 750 with the meters in my other
cameras and my handheld meter, it seems to be accurate, though.

> Overall, I'm happy with it. I wish it would take an external flash, and
> being able to put lens filters on would also be nice, but I expect the
> camera would get even larger (like the Canon G series), which would not be
> so nice.

Have you noticed the indentations on the camera body?  There are four
on the top where a hot shoe might be.  There are also two on the left
side spaced far apart and two on the right near the bottom.  I've
wondered if these are remnants of features that were dumped just
before production.

> It's a good compromise camera.

It certainly is.  We bought ours for my wife, but I think I use it
almost as much as she does.

> 
> William Robb
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman

Re: Is it a grip or a strap?

[Powell Hargrave]

At 06:30 PM 17/08/2005 , Fred Widall wrote:
>
>My 10 cent solution is to loop the wide 'ist' strap through a one inch
>keyring. My hand goes through the loop and I snug it up to my wrist.
>The strap is wide enough that it doesn't slip easily through the ring,
>so it holds tight.

Tried it.  Works a treat!  Thanks Fred
Ring is now in the bag and it didn't even cost $0.10

Powell

Re: Is it a grip or a strap?

[Fred Widall]

My 10 cent solution is to loop the wide 'ist' strap through a one inch
keyring. My hand goes through the loop and I snug it up to my wrist.
The strap is wide enough that it doesn't slip easily through the ring,
so it holds tight.

I find this less cumbersome and awkward than wrapping the strap around my
hand. The camera is securely fastened to me in case it should slip
from my hand and it cannot fall. It only takes a second to remove the
keyring if I want to use the strap as a shoulder strap.

Works well for me

--
 Fred Widall,
 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
 Images: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fwwidall/
--

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[Powell Hargrave]

>Com to think of it, the last couple of summers have been cool and damp here.
>William Robb


Hm.  Saskatchabush with trees

I know you do have lovely bushy places if a person goes far enough north.
My mother came from Christopher Lake so I'm half stubble jumper.

Powell

Re: Is it a grip or a strap?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Very easy solution: a large, light alloy carabiner on my bag's strap  
is an easy thing to snap the wrist strap through, and very easy to  
release it from too. Takes up no space, is stronger than the strap.  
Camera just dangles on the side of the bag while my hands are busy.  
(This assumes that I don't have room for some reason to just drop the  
camera in the bag.


Godfrey

On Aug 17, 2005, at 12:24 PM, Powell Hargrave wrote:

I like grip straps but there is the problem of what to do if you  
need to
use both hands.  I hate to set my camera down in an uncertain area  
so now I
just wrap the normal Pentax strap around my wrist 3 times when I  
want the
camera off my neck/shoulder.  Not as nice as a grip strap but more  
versatile.


Powell

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V05 #1943

[P. J. Alling]

You can use the 1.5 volt equivalent, I think they make one in the same 
size as the PX13.  The meter will work properly.


Matt Harty wrote:


Any one know if  a compatible battery is made for an old honeywell
pentax spotmatic?
the original mercury battery is still in there.

Has anyone ever used Eric Hendrickson for repairs?  How was the experience


 




--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V05 #1943

[P. J. Alling]

You can use the 1.5 volt equivelent, I think they make one in the same 
size as the PX13.  The meter will work properly.


Matt Harty wrote:


Any one know if  a compatible battery is made for an old honeywell
pentax spotmatic?
the original mercury battery is still in there.

Has anyone ever used Eric Hendrickson for repairs?  How was the experience


 




--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: Is it a grip or a strap?

[Powell Hargrave]

I like grip straps but there is the problem of what to do if you need to
use both hands.  I hate to set my camera down in an uncertain area so now I
just wrap the normal Pentax strap around my wrist 3 times when I want the
camera off my neck/shoulder.  Not as nice as a grip strap but more versatile.

Powell

RE: PESO: Out door "Piercing Studio"

[Tim Øsleby]

Cotty. I was expecting a reaction from you (an unleashed reaction). But I
was kindo surprised by the fact that you were hooked on the old fart bait,
instead of the rubber knickers. I have considered you more as a rubber
knickers man ;-)
--

Jokes aside. As I've stated before, I am a social worker, and I am working
with young people. Some times I do feel I understand them better than they
do themselves. 

Many of "my" kids do self mutilate, not because it's cool. No, they do it
because it takes their inner pain away, for a brief moment. That’s what
piercing really is about, for some kids. Sometimes it is a statement. I have
experienced a kid who cut himself, and wrote at the wall, in blood, "I want
death". That’s my reality, abused neglected children, with no hope in their
eyes, crying for help. 

With this in mind, I am asking again. How do we adults react when a young
girl stick a needle into herself several times in public (the red spots in
her face aren't pimples), with fear and/or pain in her eyes? Is it a proper
reaction to go into the scene and photograph? Partly as a voyeur, become
part of it, smiling a "this a cool shot" smile to them while pushing the
trigger? It made me a bit sick by myself. 

I am serious, deadly serious, despite my silly jokes. 
And no, I don't believe I'm an old fart in this. Sorry for being such a
party killer.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18. august 2005 00:52
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: PESO: Out door "Piercing Studio"

On 17/8/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Ok, any comment please, I'm curious on your reactions folks.

You're just being an old fart who doesn't understand young
people today.




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 17, 2005, at 4:56 PM, Frantisek wrote:

GD> Actually, at least two: the 50mm f/0.85 for the Canon 7  
rangefinder,
GD> and the 50mm f/0.9 for EOS mount (don't know if they ever made  
it for

GD> FD mount). I believe the latter was discontinued only a few years
GD> ago, although it was never produced in any large numbers.

Sorry for nitpicking, but Canon 7 was 0.95 and the EOS f/1... very
expensive :) There was also a f/0.7 (?) made by Zeiss which Kubrick
used for cinema...


Jeez. I've been writing all day and typing too fast, without  
reviewing carefully enough. Thanks for the correction.


Godfrey

Re: Mini London PDML

[David Savage]

What, It's in the River?



Google Earth is great.  I wish they could hurry up and get around to
doing the street maps for my part of Oz. I navigate by landmarks, and
I find it great for planning my route to places I've never been
before.

Dave

On 8/17/05, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nah, it's no good.  The Dove's on the other side of the road. :-)
> 
> John
> 
> Actually, it's damn good.  Have you also tried Google Earth?
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:05:47 +0100, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > For an even better map go to:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/6z3f3
> >
> > Type in "Dove" in the search field, I believe it's option B.
> >
> > I recommend using the hybrid view.
> >
> > Dave (I realise this doesn't help, but i love playing around with this
> > thing ;-)
> >
> > On 8/17/05, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Here's a better map:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/6cmv9
> >>
> >> The nearest pub to the bridge, on Lower Mall, is (I think) the Blue
> >> Anchor.  The Dove is on Upper Mall.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:12:24 +0100, Bob Walkden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I vote for the nearest pub upstream of the bridge, but I assume we all
> >> > have
> >> > each other's mobile phone numbers so we should be able to muddle
> >> through,
> >> > Britishly. My number is 0795 147 9744. I'm meeting Boris et al. at
> >> > Hammersmith Centre at 7pm and it will take about 10 minutes at least
> >> to
> >> > walk
> >> > down to the pub.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >  Bob
> >> >
> >> >> -Original Message-
> >> >> Wrom: ISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZU
> >> >> Sent: 16 August 2005 12:55
> >> >> To: Cotty; pentax list
> >> >> Cc: Boris; Bob Walkden; Steve Jolly; Billy Abbot
> >> >> Subject: Re: Mini London PDML
> >> >>
> >> >> There's quite a lot of "Hammersmith Riverside".  How about
> >> >> meeting at a specific point, such as the Dove, or the pub
> >> >> closest to the bridge on the upstream side?  I can't remember
> >> >> the name, unfortunately, and I'm only suggesting it as a
> >> >> meeting point, not for its merits as a pub.
> >> >>
> >> >> John
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:49:56 +0100, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Mini London PDML
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Venue: Hammersmith Riverside
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Time: 7pm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Date: Weds 17th August
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Features: Boris and beer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > All welcome.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheers,
> >> >> >   Cotty
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ___/\__
> >> >> > ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> >> >> > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> >> >> > _
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
> >> >>
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Re: more on photographers rights

[keithw]

Glen wrote:


At 06:37 PM 8/17/2005, P. J. Alling wrote:

Alright he's been rehabilitated, however after the restoration the new 
king still had him dug up, hung, drawn, and quartered.




My, what a "quaint" custom that is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posthumous_execution

I had no idea that this sort of thing took place in a "civilized" 
society. That wiki link says the last such event happened as late as 
1986! (Albeit, that was in another country.)



take care,
Glen



An interesting and accurate account of the Regicides (of Charles the First.)
One of my forebears was one of the Regicides mentioned.

keith whaley

Re: PAW: People & Portraits #30 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 17, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:


... It's about judging how well you
mastered the situation regarding the composition and framing at the  
"very moment",

something people seem to admire HCB for example so much for.


This seems to say that you wish to judge the photographer and his/her  
way of making photographs, not the photograph itself. They are two  
completely separate things.


The most important part of a photo for me is the main subject and  
the moment
shown, here it would have been the woman and here pose. Second I  
can like he
colors or lack of, the light, the shadows and more. I can like the  
idea that
made you take that photo. All may be a part of the overall  
composition and is influenced

by the framing and/or cropping, but I could
well like one part of your photo enough to forget about the rest.


I look at the scene depicted in a particular exposure and work my  
composition from that, both in the viewfinder when I'm taking the  
shot and in the lab/computer when I'm rendering it. I don't like to  
be constrained in photographic seeing by the format proportions of  
whatever particular camera I happen to be carrying, unless I do so  
consciously as an exercise of self-discipline.


What is it about this composition that you like or don't like? Why is  
the fact that it is not the entire scene captured by the camera an  
issue for you? Judging people's pictures by an aesthetic notion of  
the way that they make them seems very odd to me.


I told you that for some of you PESO/PAW before: I did like the  
subject you

showed and the b/w tones but not the cropping at all.


It would be helpful if you could articulate what about the particular  
framing in a picture is not to your liking, rather than that it might  
not be 100% full frame which is displeasing .. The latter  
consideration is simply not a factor of much significance to my  
photography.


Godfrey

KEH Comes Through Again!

[Illinois Bill]

Hey guys and gals,

   I just wanted to send a little assurance about KEH.  I recently 
ordered a Sigma 28-200 f3.8-5.6 from them through their web interface 
that was supposedly in EX+ condition. This was the cheapest one they 
had for $69 U.S.


   It just arrived today.  It has both ORIGINAL caps, and doesn't look 
like it's ever been used.  Glass is perfect, and there's no apparent 
wear on any of the parts of the barrel of the lens.


   I guess the only thing that's missing would be the hood, but since 
I'm not one to use hoods all that much, I won't miss it.


   I am not affiliated with KEH, nor do I have any benefit to letting 
you know this.  Just thought you'd all like to know they are still very 
reputable!


IL Bill

Re: Mini London PDML

[E.R.N. Reed]

Cotty wrote:


Just got back from a short meet with Bob W, Boris and co, John Forbes,
Billy and Steve Jolly by the Thames at Hammersmith. I didn't take many
shots, but will post a few tomorrow.

I thought Boris was a mad Russian, but he was actually quite sane ;-)


I wonder if there's a connection to the fact that he left Russia?

OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards for istDs)

[Igor Roshchin]

> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:15:19 +0100
> From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Recommended SD Cards for istDs
>
> Fred wrote:
>
> >>I hope this helps.
> > 
> > 
> >>Igor [Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> > 
> > 
> > OK - Here's the chance for you guys to personally and publicly thank Igor
> > for the Komkon sponsorship of Pentaxian web sites (http://pug.komkon.org
> > and http://plg.komkon.org/).
> > 
> > Thanks, Igor.
> > 
> > Fred
>
> Seconded.
>
> mike
>

Fred, Mike, thank you for your kind words!

Well, it's really my pleasure that we can host both web-sites.
Komkon was founded with the intent of hosting commerce-free
(and ad-free) web-sites of the topics that appeal to the Komkon 
administration.

I've been on and off the list since 1997 when I purchased my first Pentax -
ZX-5n. (Actually, since even before I purchased it, - as the list
helped with some information on that camera and lenses.)
Due to lack of time, I have no possibility to read the list
all the time, but I like coming back to it as a valuable resource for 
answers to my questions, also sharing my knowledge and experience when I can. 
I've been lurking time-to-time, and was glad to see
people enjoying those nice galleries, being put together monthly by
Doug Brewer, Steve Graham, Mark Cassino, William Robb,
and most recently, - Adelheid von Kirschten together with all the people
who've been helping her in that.
( http://pug.komkon.org/general/Enablers.html ) 
And I enjoyed interaction with all these people and with Fred when he
decided to host the PLG on Komkon.

The person who really stays behind the scene is the CEO of the 
main Komkon sponsor Frontier Vision Technologies Inc. (aka "Frontex"),
Tim Ruban. He and his company provide all the financial support, 
including hardware, network bandidwth, etc.
I do not mean to call for a mass-action (or e-mail flash mob). :-)
But, if someone feels really strongly about thanking someone for
the hosting of PUG and PLG, one can write a nice personal e-mail
to Tim at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (He does not read PUG, nor does he do much
photography himself). This would tell him that the projects hosted by
Komkon are alive and are indeed useful to and enjoyed by other people,
and, hence, will help to assure continued support of Komkon.
(There is a difference between when I tell him that, and when he hears that
from somebody else). 
Also, it would be the best award to him
(see his "motto": http://www.komkon.org/~tima/ ), as
he would definitely enjoy hearing that his efforts do not vanish in vain.

Using this chance, I'd like to thank people for all what I learned
on this list.

Igor

PS. Hi Fred, nice to hear from you. 
It's been a while since I've "seen" you.

PPS. Just before sending this message out, I re-read it, and decided 
to provide a disclaimer: this was not intended to be a shameless 
advertisement for Komkon or other parties involved.
Well, maybe except for PUG and PLG. :-)

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Frantisek]

GD> Actually, at least two: the 50mm f/0.85 for the Canon 7 rangefinder,
GD> and the 50mm f/0.9 for EOS mount (don't know if they ever made it for
GD> FD mount). I believe the latter was discontinued only a few years
GD> ago, although it was never produced in any large numbers.

Sorry for nitpicking, but Canon 7 was 0.95 and the EOS f/1... very
expensive :) There was also a f/0.7 (?) made by Zeiss which Kubrick
used for cinema...



Good light!
   fra

RE: PAW: People & Portraits #30 - GDG

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Godfrey
my comments are below:

>
>>You don't seem to understand my sentence, Markus, or the rest of my
>>response to you. I realize that English is not your first language,
>>but you seem to want to be contradictory in conversations between us,
>>revolving upon points of language usage.

don't take that to serious, after all it's about our hobby and the PDML only
;-)

>>How do you know when a photograph is cropped? What about it tells you
>>that what you see isn't what was intended by the photographer and
>>captured by the camera? Oh, you're going to say.. ."well, it isn't
>>2:3 proportion" or something like that.

exactly, the proportion told me here what happened.
Otherwise I would have to simply ask you how you made your photograph.
(That is the old fashioned - or maybe wrong - part in me, I'm just a bit
more proud of a shot if I need not to crop it to look like I wanted it.)


I can crop to any proportion
>>I wish, including 2:3, and you would never know whether I did or not.
>>What could knowing that a particular image isn't *exactly* what was
>>in the viewfinder possibly have to do with your ability to judge
>>whether what is presented is a pleasing composition? That just makes
>>no sense at all.

It' s not about pleasing, I never said that. It's about judging how well you
mastered
the situation regarding the composition and framing at the "very moment",
something people seem to admire HCB for example so much for.




>>
>>I regularly crop and alter the proportions of my photographs to suit
>>the idea, the expression I had in mind when I made the exposure. I
>>guess this means that you simply will never be able to judge whether
>>you like one of my photographs, which pretty much makes your
>>statement "I like the photo too btw" absent of meaning.

Cropping or altering an image another way is one of the various
possibilities to enhance an image like the darkroom techniques some here
mentioned, I have no problem with that beside disliking sitting again on the
computer for that ;-)

Of course I can judge whether I *like* you photos Godfrey:

The most important part of a photo for me is the main subject and the moment
shown, here it would have been the woman and here pose. Second I can like he
colors or lack of, the light, the shadows and more. I can like the idea that
made you take
that photo. All may be a part of the overall composition and is influenced
by the framing and/or cropping, but I could
well like one part of your photo enough to forget about the rest.

My last bee shot is an example for me: I like the funny situation of two
bees looking like having sex enough to go over the
fact the photo is partly underexposed and that the composition and framing
could have been better.


I told you that for some of you PESO/PAW before: I did like the subject you
showed and the b/w tones but not the cropping at all.


I hope that clears things up a bit ;-)

greetings
Markus









>>
>>Godfrey
>>

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Shel Belinkoff]

Even if you only use manual expose mode sometimes ... 

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Herb Chong 

> if you shoot only in manual exposure mode, it can be a problem. zooming 
> changes the exposure.
>
> Herb
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada
>
>
> > 16-45, 20-35 and the FAs,* from memory are in that list. I still see no 
> > answer as to the problem with variable aperture lenses.
>

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V05 #1943

[Shel Belinkoff]

If you mean  Eric Hendrickson  in Tennessee, I'd recommend staying away
from him.  A friend sent two cameras to him for minor repairs - CLA mostly
- and between them they were sent back a total of FIVE times. OTOH, another
list member recommended his work - that's how my friend found out about
Eric.  So there y'have it - Balanced reporting of a second hand nature 

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Matt Harty

> Has anyone ever used Eric Hendrickson for repairs?  How was the experience

Re: more on photographers rights

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" 
Subject: RE: more on photographers rights




Hey, it's a statue. We'll put a fig leaf on.


You'll have to.
IIRC, it is anatomically correct, and of Godlike proportion.

William Robb

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Herb Chong]

if you shoot only in manual exposure mode, it can be a problem. zooming 
changes the exposure.


Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada


16-45, 20-35 and the FAs,* from memory are in that list. I still see no 
answer as to the problem with variable aperture lenses.

Re: more on photographers rights

[Herb Chong]

he ultimately lost though, but not in his lifetime.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: more on photographers rights



I disagree, Cromwell won and he's still considered a traitor.
Some terrorists will always be seen as terrorists...
Wining isn't enough.

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V05 #1943

[Matt Harty]

Any one know if  a compatible battery is made for an old honeywell
pentax spotmatic?
the original mercury battery is still in there.

Has anyone ever used Eric Hendrickson for repairs?  How was the experience

Re: PESO: Out door "Piercing Studio"

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On 17/8/05, Joseph Tainter, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>I may be old fashioned about this, but sticking holes in me is not what 
>>I do in public. (I barely do it private, and when I do, I always wear my 
>>read rubber knickers). ;-)
>>
>>Take it away, Cotty.
>>
>Sorry, just got in. Actually I can't abide piercings.
>
>On a living body.

I know a pathologist who might be able to set you up with a few dead
ones...
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: more on photographers rights

[Glen]

At 06:37 PM 8/17/2005, P. J. Alling wrote:

Alright he's been rehabilitated, however after the restoration the new 
king still had him dug up, hung, drawn, and quartered.


My, what a "quaint" custom that is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posthumous_execution

I had no idea that this sort of thing took place in a "civilized" society. 
That wiki link says the last such event happened as late as 1986! (Albeit, 
that was in another country.)



take care,
Glen

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[Gonz]

Except for mathematical induction, which is a valid way of proving a 
theorem.  :)


rg


Bob W wrote:

That's not a valid or a rational conclusion. You are using induction, which
is fraught with problems, and is not 'truth preserving'. In other words,
even if all the premises are true, the conclusion is not necessarily true.
The rational person, in the situation you describe, will look for other
conclusions, knowing that the predictions made on the basis of induction are
not the only ones that are consistent with the available evidence. 


Bertrand Russell gave an example to demonstrate the often weak conclusions
you can reach by induction. A chicken woke up every morning and was fed by
the farmer. The chicken concluded that he would be fed every day. One day he
woke up, expecting to be fed, and the farmer cut off his head.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 17 August 2005 13:47

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights

Quoting Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



How is it possible to have a rational dislike of an ethnic minority?



Lets say for example that every dealing you have, be it 
personal or business, with a particular ethnic group, you get 
dissed and/or ripped off.
Eventually, you will conclude quite rationally that there is 
smething wrong with that group, or their culture, and will 
come to dislike them.


William Robb

Re: PESO: Reinventing Technicolor?

[Cotty]

On 17/8/05, Glen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>That is a fractal image I created in software. I later used it to create 
>this image:
>
>http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/burst.html

I like it!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO: Out door "Piercing Studio"

[Cotty]

On 17/8/05, Joseph Tainter, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I may be old fashioned about this, but sticking holes in me is not what 
>I do in public. (I barely do it private, and when I do, I always wear my 
>read rubber knickers). ;-)
>
>--
>
>Take it away, Cotty.
>
>Joe

Sorry, just got in. Actually I can't abide piercings.



On a living body.




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
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Re: PESO: Out door "Piercing Studio"

[Cotty]

On 17/8/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Ok, any comment please, I'm curious on your reactions folks.

You're just being an old fart who doesn't understand young
people today.




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: more on photographers rights

[P. J. Alling]

Really??

William Robb wrote:


Woops.
That shoud read Louis Riel.
I didn't mean to emasculate the guy.


- Original Message - From: "William Robb" Subject: Re: more on 
photographers rights







Maybe we could send you our statue of Lois Riel and you could start a 
collection.









--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

RE: more on photographers rights

[Bob W]

Hey, it's a statue. We'll put a fig leaf on.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 17 August 2005 23:40
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: more on photographers rights
> 
> Woops.
> That shoud read Louis Riel.
> I didn't mean to emasculate the guy.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "William Robb" 
> Subject: Re: more on photographers rights
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Maybe we could send you our statue of Lois Riel and you 
> could start a 
> > collection.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Is it a grip or a strap?

[Cotty]

On 17/8/05, Unca Mikey, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Maybe I didn't use the right term?  LOL.  I am not sure if it's 
>called a grip or a strap, but I am thinking of some sort of thingy 
>that attaches to the right side of the camera body, between the strap 
>eyelet on top and probably the tripod mount on the bottom.  That way 
>you can insert your hand in the grip/strap and basically attach the 
>camera to your hand, without having to hold it tightly.

This page may be of interest. The item you seek is a wrist strap.



Last pic on the page.

HTH




Cheers,
  Cotty


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||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
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_

RE: more on photographers rights

[Bob W]

Thanks. Send it on over. I'll make sure it gets to the right person.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> 
> >> I disagree, Cromwell won and he's still considered a traitor.
> >
> > Cromwell's not considered a traitor. There's a bloody great 
> statue of him 
> > in
> > front of the Houses of Parliament.
> 
> Maybe we could send you our statue of Lois Riel and you could start a 
> collection.
> 
> William Robb 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Mini London PDML

[Bob W]

A big of thanks to Frank, who sent over some of his geese to fly in a V
shape in front of the fat, red moon as it rose behind Hammersmith Bridge.

The Dove will allow dogs in on a lead, but won't allow children in, lead or
not, so we had to go somewhere else to eat bad food since noone wanted to
tie Stefan and Galya to the railings outside for a couple of hours.

But it was very pleasant. Short, but sweet, and Boris and family are very
charming and good company.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 17 August 2005 23:27
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: Mini London PDML
> 
> Just got back from a short meet with Bob W, Boris and co, 
> John Forbes, Billy and Steve Jolly by the Thames at 
> Hammersmith. I didn't take many shots, but will post a few tomorrow.
> 
> I thought Boris was a mad Russian, but he was actually quite sane ;-)
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty

Re: more on photographers rights

[William Robb]

Woops.
That shoud read Louis Riel.
I didn't mean to emasculate the guy.


- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" 
Subject: Re: more on photographers rights







Maybe we could send you our statue of Lois Riel and you could start a 
collection.

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Cotty]

On 17/8/05, Glen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>(To my knowledge, only 
>Leica has made an f1.0 so far, and it was for their rangefinder.)


Out of production, but still exists:



HTH



Cheers,
  Cotty


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||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

RE: The Photographer's Rights

[Bob W]

That's not a valid or a rational conclusion. You are using induction, which
is fraught with problems, and is not 'truth preserving'. In other words,
even if all the premises are true, the conclusion is not necessarily true.
The rational person, in the situation you describe, will look for other
conclusions, knowing that the predictions made on the basis of induction are
not the only ones that are consistent with the available evidence. 

Bertrand Russell gave an example to demonstrate the often weak conclusions
you can reach by induction. A chicken woke up every morning and was fed by
the farmer. The chicken concluded that he would be fed every day. One day he
woke up, expecting to be fed, and the farmer cut off his head.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 17 August 2005 13:47
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights
> 
> Quoting Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > How is it possible to have a rational dislike of an ethnic minority?
> >
> 
> Lets say for example that every dealing you have, be it 
> personal or business, with a particular ethnic group, you get 
> dissed and/or ripped off.
> Eventually, you will conclude quite rationally that there is 
> smething wrong with that group, or their culture, and will 
> come to dislike them.
> 
> William Robb
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" 
Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights




Something similar in New Mexico 


Thats so sweet.
Little Pete, twirling his wittle lassoo.

WW

Re: more on photographers rights

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W"

Subject: RE: more on photographers rights



I disagree, Cromwell won and he's still considered a traitor.


Cromwell's not considered a traitor. There's a bloody great statue of him 
in

front of the Houses of Parliament.


Maybe we could send you our statue of Lois Riel and you could start a 
collection.


William Robb 

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Powell Hargrave"

Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights



I'd bet you don't have too many security cameras in your neck of the woods
Bill.  But those cowboy hats have got to go.  They are making it close to
impossible for the satellites to keep track of all you westerners.


HAR. And you thought we were a bunch of know nuttin' hicks...



Thank God we have clouds and trees to protect us.


Between the logging and global warming, we'll be on a level playing field in 
10 years.

Com to think of it, the last couple of summers have been cool and damp here.

William Robb

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis"

Subject: Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada



Pentax never had a 1.0 in their line and they have long discontinued their 
50/1.2.


The A50/1.2 may still be available new, as a special order, though surely 
it's days are numbered.
The dropping of 35mm prime lenses is probably signalling an end to their 
35mm film SLR cameras, which will probably sell 3 units worldwide this year.


William Robb 

Re: more on photographers rights

[P. J. Alling]

Alright he's been rehabilitated, however after the restoration the new 
king still had him dug up, hung, drawn, and quartered.

(The traditional punishment for treason IIRC).

Bob W wrote:


I disagree, Cromwell won and he's still considered a traitor.
   



Cromwell's not considered a traitor. There's a bloody great statue of him in
front of the Houses of Parliament.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Oliver_Cromwell_-_Statue_-_Palace_of_West
minster_-_London_-_240404.jpg

--
Cheers,
Bob 




 




--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: Mini London PDML

[Cotty]

Just got back from a short meet with Bob W, Boris and co, John Forbes,
Billy and Steve Jolly by the Thames at Hammersmith. I didn't take many
shots, but will post a few tomorrow.

I thought Boris was a mad Russian, but he was actually quite sane ;-)


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[P. J. Alling]

I never said it was the official symbol of the state, but perhaps you 
should look at the reverse of the
current Massachusetts State Quarter, and the 1925 Commemorative Half 
Dollar, Mass. apparently thought it
was enough of a symbol to have the mint put it on those two items.  
(Perhaps I should have said "a" not "the"
symbol of the state).  Apparently I was wrong by the way, the musket was 
retained according to this.


http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/umas/graphics/new-logos/UMASS-PRIMARY-250.gif

I was working from memory and it was a huge debate...

Fred wrote:

The University of Mass. did remove the musket from the hands of the 
Minuteman, (the state symbol and university mascot), in a fit of 
political correctness.
   



I don't know about zoo-Mass's mascot and whether he is now musketless or
not, but the state emblem displays not a minuteman but an Indian (or, to be
"pc", a Native American).  And the Indian is still holding his bow in his
right hand and an arrow in his left.  "Chapter 2, Section 1 of the
Massachusetts General Laws describes 'The Coat of Arms of the Commonwealth'
as follows: 'The coat of arms of the Commonwealth shall consist of a blue
shield with an Indian thereon, dressed in a shirt, leggings, and moccasins,
holding in his right hand a bow, and in his left hand an arrow, point
downward, all of gold; and in the upper right-hand corner of the field a
silver star of five points. The crest shall be, on a wreath of gold and
blue, a right arm, bent at the elbow, clothed and ruffled, and grasping a
broad-sword, all of gold.'"

Fred from Massachusetts


 




--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Steve Jolly]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Have you looked at the Canon 35/1.4L, 24-70/2.8L, 16-35/2.8L, and  
70-200/2.8L lately? Very fine lenses, but all are monstrously big and  
heavy, never mind very expensive.


Read my earlier posts in this thread - that was my other point. :-)

S

RE: more on photographers rights

[Bob W]

> I disagree, Cromwell won and he's still considered a traitor.

Cromwell's not considered a traitor. There's a bloody great statue of him in
front of the Houses of Parliament.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Oliver_Cromwell_-_Statue_-_Palace_of_West
minster_-_London_-_240404.jpg

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
A big concern for me is that if I buy a Pentax DSLR (and I'm ~this  
close~
to doing so), there's no assurance that there will be lenses  
available in
the focal and aperture range that I'd like.  As it stands now,  
there are
only a few primes faster than f2.0 that are available (31,43,77 -  
did I
miss any?)  and these are only minimally faster.  Should I want a  
fast auto
focus prime lens, what's out there?  If I want a constant aperture  
zoom,

what's available?


Used lenses are fine, but I am slowly replacing out my most-used  
focal lengths with new AF lenses as I prefer the options they  
provide. Just received a new FA35/2. Got the new FA20-35/4 in June.  
Almost bought a new FA50/1.4 two weeks ago when B&H got in a batch of  
them, but decided that the F50/1.7 I obtained as NOS a few months ago  
would be fine.


So far, I haven't had much problem buying new lenses in the focal  
lengths I want. f/2 and f/2.8 seems fast enough for most of my needs;  
considering how clean the images are at ISO 800, f/4 is generally  
good enough too.


Godfrey

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[Powell Hargrave]

I'd bet you don't have too many security cameras in your neck of the woods
Bill.  But those cowboy hats have got to go.  They are making it close to
impossible for the satellites to keep track of all you westerners.

Thank God we have clouds and trees to protect us.

Powell


>For me, the concept of security cameras watching my every move is quite 
>Orwellian.
>Freedoms get removed in small little bite sized pieces, not all at once.
>After you don't mind the security cameras anymore, they will take away your 
>right to wear hats that hide your identity from the cameras.
>Creeping Horseshit is pernicious stuff.
>
>William Robb 

Re: Optio enabled

[John Celio]

You're going to enjoy your WP, for sure.  Before switching to working in the 
lab here, I spent a lot of time playing with our Optio WPs on the sales 
floor.  Wonderful little camera.  I'd buy one if I wasn't continually 
skirting the edge of flat broke.


John Celio

--

http://www.neovenator.com

AIM: Neopifex

"Hey, I'm an artist.  I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a 
statement." 

Re: CEPPDML

[mike wilson]

Cotty wrote:


On 17/8/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:



Might be a better URL:

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/pcat/141460




I like 'She Had To Look' ;-)



More stuff up.  I've run out of space, now.  Just when I was getting to 
the "English wife" series 8-(((


The rest of my films are on their way to Switzerland.

mike

Re: PESO: Reinventing Technicolor?

[Glen]

At 03:13 PM 8/17/2005, Christian wrote:


My original post was meant to be funny (you know: hot chick, but a
background I don't like; hahahaha) and I would not have commented on it
otherwise.  I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.


I noticed your emoticon, and you didn't hurt my feelings. I just wanted to 
know why you called it "horrible." More precisely, I wanted to know why you 
didn't like it. There was always the chance that you might shed some light 
on an alternative way of doing the image. Perhaps I, and the rest of the 
list, could have actually learned something from you, which might have 
enriched our lives and our pursuit of photography.




If you throw pictures out there on this list, you can't expect every review
to be glowing.  I certainly don't.  I'm my own worst critic and use words
such as "horrible", "crap", "f-ing disaster" and "wtf were you thinking?"
when I look at some of my own images.


I certainly didn't expect everyone to like all of my images. In fact, I 
would be somewhat suspicious if that were the case.  ;-)


At the same time, if you simply declare that someone's image is "horrible", 
you shouldn't be surprised if someone asks you to elaborate a bit on why 
you think that.



take care,
Glen

PESO: Sigma 3.5-5.6-18-50mm

[Jens Bladt]

The old Tea Shop
This cheapie is not doing too badly, is it?
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=34901122&size=m

Jens

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[mike wilson]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Sure - used lenses can be a great source, if you can find what you want in
good condition.  Personally, I enjoy hunting down lenses and maybe even
finding a good deal.  But sometimes it's just as nice to buy something new.
Some of my used lenses took more than a year to locate, some i had to
return because of quality issues, and start searching again..

A big concern for me is that if I buy a Pentax DSLR (and I'm ~this close~
to doing so), there's no assurance that there will be lenses available in
the focal and aperture range that I'd like.  As it stands now, there are
only a few primes faster than f2.0 that are available (31,43,77 - did I
miss any?)  and these are only minimally faster.  Should I want a fast auto
focus prime lens, what's out there?  If I want a constant aperture zoom,
what's available?

Shel 


I actually agree with you completely.  [Except for the bit about being 
close to buying a DSLR 8-)] The manufacturers have the buying public 
over a barrel.  The buyers are told what is good and what to buy and, 
generally, just go right out and buy it.  Whilst I was bimbling around 
the tourist traps of Europe, I saw probably tens of thousands of cameras 
being used.  The great majority were phones or tiny compacts, probably 
digital.  About 10% seemed to be film cameras of all types. 
(Interestingly, many of these were Pentaxes.  A smattering of exotica, 
like Russian stuff and one new-looking F4) Difficult to be sure in the 
case of compacts.  There was the occasional person carrying spanky new 
DSLR gear.  Another 10% or so carrying top end fixed lens digitals.  One 
LF, no MF.  So most people (~80%) are happy with low (ish) grade 
electronic mementos of their travels.  My father in law has a couple of 
digital compacts in the _2Mpixel range.  He insists on printing the 
results at A4 size and proudly showing them to me.  They look like out 
of focus shots taken with Scotchchrome 1000 but who am I to tell him 
that?  He is happy.


Someone who is serious (take that whatever way you will) about 
photography but does not want to carry some battery-gripped behemoth 
with motorised lenses is pretty much SOL in the new market.


mike






[Original Message]
From: mike wilson 



 


But there's always secondhand.  How exciting!

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Shel Belinkoff]

Sure - used lenses can be a great source, if you can find what you want in
good condition.  Personally, I enjoy hunting down lenses and maybe even
finding a good deal.  But sometimes it's just as nice to buy something new.
Some of my used lenses took more than a year to locate, some i had to
return because of quality issues, and start searching again..

A big concern for me is that if I buy a Pentax DSLR (and I'm ~this close~
to doing so), there's no assurance that there will be lenses available in
the focal and aperture range that I'd like.  As it stands now, there are
only a few primes faster than f2.0 that are available (31,43,77 - did I
miss any?)  and these are only minimally faster.  Should I want a fast auto
focus prime lens, what's out there?  If I want a constant aperture zoom,
what's available?

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: mike wilson 

 
> But there's always secondhand.  How exciting!

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[Fred]

> Mass. is the nanny state, probably on their own.

???

Fred

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Glen]

At 03:44 PM 8/17/2005, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

16-45, 20-35 and the FAs,* from memory are in that list. I still see no 
answer as to the problem with variable aperture lenses.


I used to do a lot of manual flash images, and variable-maximum-aperture 
zooms were a disappointment for that. It's left a "bad taste" in my mouth, 
you might say.


Since I don't shoot with manual flash too much these days, I would be able 
to like variable-maximum-aperture zooms, if the aperture didn't go below f4 
for lenses under roughly 200mm focal length. Something like a 50-150mm 
f3.5-f4.0, or a 50-150mm f2.8-f4.0 would be okay, for example. Several 
years ago, it was easier to find zoom lenses at f4.0 and wider. There just 
aren't as many options these days, and I miss that.


Also, the constant-maximum-aperture zooms tend to be better quality lenses, 
from what I've seen. This may or may not be because of any technical reason 
related to their constant maximum aperture, but it sure seems to be the trend.


Lastly, I think there are some zoom lenses on the market which aren't fully 
compatible with teleconvertors and autofocus, because of the smaller 
maximum aperture at one end of their zoom range. I could be wrong about 
this, but I think that is the case.



Okay, are those enough reasons to validate my personal preference for 
constant-maximum-aperture zoom lenses?   ;-)



take care,
Glen

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[Fred]

> The University of Mass. did remove the musket from the hands of the 
> Minuteman, (the state symbol and university mascot), in a fit of 
> political correctness.

I don't know about zoo-Mass's mascot and whether he is now musketless or
not, but the state emblem displays not a minuteman but an Indian (or, to be
"pc", a Native American).  And the Indian is still holding his bow in his
right hand and an arrow in his left.  "Chapter 2, Section 1 of the
Massachusetts General Laws describes 'The Coat of Arms of the Commonwealth'
as follows: 'The coat of arms of the Commonwealth shall consist of a blue
shield with an Indian thereon, dressed in a shirt, leggings, and moccasins,
holding in his right hand a bow, and in his left hand an arrow, point
downward, all of gold; and in the upper right-hand corner of the field a
silver star of five points. The crest shall be, on a wreath of gold and
blue, a right arm, bent at the elbow, clothed and ruffled, and grasping a
broad-sword, all of gold.'"

Fred from Massachusetts

Re: Recommended SD Cards for istDs

[mike wilson]

Fred wrote:


I hope this helps.




Igor [Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]



OK - Here's the chance for you guys to personally and publicly thank Igor
for the Komkon sponsorship of Pentaxian web sites (http://pug.komkon.org
and http://plg.komkon.org/).

Thanks, Igor.

Fred


Seconded.

mike

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[DagT]

På 17. aug. 2005 kl. 21.58 skrev Fred:


You might want to take this quiz:

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html



Left Liberal.


Ditto.


Same here.  Which is strange as according to Norwegian politics I´m 
more like a conservative liberal.  I guess it does tell us something 
about the nationality of those who made the test .-)



DagT
http://dag.foto.no

Re: more on photographers rights

[mike wilson]

Sorry, couldn't resist.  I know I should.

P. J. Alling wrote:


Ok, that should be winning, I get it.

mike wilson wrote:


P. J. Alling wrote:


I disagree, Cromwell won and he's still considered a traitor.
Some terrorists will always be seen as terrorists...
Wining isn't enough.




Probably have to do a bit of dining as well, in the modern business 
climate.




John Forbes wrote:


Treason doth never prosper,
What's the reason?
Why, if it prosper,
None dur'st call it treason!

Today's terrorists are tomorrow's freedom fighters.

John

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:36:25 +0100, P. J. Alling  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Most if not all governments that are overthrown by a revolution had 
lost  legitimaticy in the eyes of their people.  That is what made 
the  revolution possible in the first place.  The government that 
replaces  them then tries with greater or lesser success to become 
legitimate.   Some by appealing to the people some by repressing 
the people both by  declaring themselves legitimate and making 
their overthrow illegal.  In  some cases the first works, in some 
the second in some neither works.  Tom C wrote:


Interesting how most governments come into power via the overthrow 
of  the previous recognized, accepted and legitimate government.  
The new  government then immediately makes it illegal to overthrow 
or threaten  their own security.


1776 AD - Thirteen English colonies in North America declare 
themselves  seperate and sovereign from the British Empire and 
begin a revolution.


Tom C.





From: "MARGARET CORNETT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: 
Subject: more on photographers rights
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:09:58 -0400

I'll swear it's getting even worse here in the U.S. I have a 
friend  who was involved in one of those automobile "accidents" 
where a bunch  of people forced him into a rear-end collision so 
they could rip off  his insurance. Since then he installed a 
video system in his car--  it's the EXACT type that many police 
agencies use in their patrol  cars. He has cameras front and back 
and sides.


He got pulled over by a cop, and as the cop was talking to him, 
he  warned the police officer that he was being videotaped and 
recorded.  The cop went ballistic, and ordered my friend to turn 
it off. My  friend refused. He was arrested, and his car was 
impounded. Seems  there is a law in his county that forbids 
anyone from videotaping  police officers in a manner in which the 
officer believes will  interfere with his actions, and anyone 
MUST cease videotaping a police  officer when so ordered. The 
case hasn't been to court yet. My guess  is that my friend will 
win, but it will cost him mucho in legal fees.  In the meantime 
they have also impounded the recordings as evidence--  not the 
content of the recordings, but the recordings themselves  
(there's a fine legal difference between those two things). They 
did  it in a manner that tries to keep him from using what's on 
the  recordings in his defense.


It seems that the government can videotape you anytime and 
anywhere  they want, but the citizenry better not try it the 
other way around.   -BC-

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[mike wilson]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:


They don't dominate. Primes are still in the 2-2.8 range. Take a look at


Boz's page;


 I looked at Boz's page yesterday.  Seems that almost every lens except the
DA has been discontinued or is out of production.  Only SIX primes are
shown as being in production (if i counted right), and eleven zooms. All
but one of the zooms is faster than an F4.0, and that's a 3.5.  I don't
think there was a constant aperture in the bunch.

Primes in the 2.0 - 2.8 range are certainly slow, at least by the standards
of some people.

 How depressing.


Shel




But there's always secondhand.  How exciting!

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[DagT]

På 17. aug. 2005 kl. 21.39 skrev Joseph Tainter:

Didn´t Pentax plan to introduce a Limited DA-lens in the 50-60mm 
range? That would be nice if it has an aperture in the 1.4 area, even 
if it was more expensive.


--

DA 60-70 pancake. Probably another f2.8.



2.8?

We don´t know that.

Anyway, I mentioned it as a possible explanation for dropping the 50mm 
1.4.  A 65mm 2.8 wouldn´t serve as an alternative.


DagT
http://dag.foto.no

PESO: Out door "Piercing Studio"

[Joseph Tainter]

I may be old fashioned about this, but sticking holes in me is not what 
I do in public. (I barely do it private, and when I do, I always wear my 
read rubber knickers). ;-)


--

Take it away, Cotty.

Joe

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[Fred]

>> You might want to take this quiz:
>>
>> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

> Left Liberal.

Ditto.

Fred

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Shel Belinkoff]

I believe it was an F0.95 ... plus there was the famous lens Kubrik had
made for the motion picture Barry Lyndon (three of them, actually), which
was an f0.7.  And lets not forget the Kowa 65mm f/0.75 lens and the Canon's
EF 50mm f/1.0L USM, which, I believe, is still the fastest readily
available 35mm-SLR camera lens. Then there's the remarkable Zeiss 210mm
N-Mirotar, a 210mm mirror lens with a three-stage electronic image
intensifier and an effective lens speed of f/0.03, and the relatively slow
Mt. Prospect 90mm f/1.0, or the quite useful  Rodenstock TV-Heligon 50 mm
f/0.75 lens, a sample of which I've seen converted to Nikon mount.  If
you've got a need for speed, the glass is out there ;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: P. J. Alling 

> Canon once made a f0.9. 
>
> Glen wrote:


> >  Killing the 50mm f1.4 makes me a little nervous. 
> > If they replace it with another  f1.4 of better quality, 
> > that would be fine. If they come out with a 
> > high quality f1.0 replacement, that would be absolutely 
> > fantastic. (To my knowledge, only Leica has made an 
> > f1.0 so far, and it was for their  rangefinder.)

Re: Recommended SD Cards for istDs

[Fred]

> I hope this helps.

> Igor [Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

OK - Here's the chance for you guys to personally and publicly thank Igor
for the Komkon sponsorship of Pentaxian web sites (http://pug.komkon.org
and http://plg.komkon.org/).

Thanks, Igor.

Fred

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V05 #1940

[Bertil Holmberg]

Thank you for your comments Godfrey!

I guess the point I was trying to make was that there must be  
interesting differenses betweens cards from different makers (and  
perhaps also) between different card types from the same maker too.


My present card reader is a cheap no brand type, I guess the previous  
one was too. It might have helped to buy for example a SanDisk one.  
But the layperson has no way of knowing about the quality in products  
like this. I guess I don't like paying for a brand name without  
knowing what I get.


Bertil

17 aug 2005 kl. 19.38 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hmm. I have had a Sandisk 256Mbyte SD card for a couple of years,
used it first in my Konica Revio, then the Pana FZ10, then the *ist
DS for a backup, and now it lives in my Palm Treo as backup storage
most of the time. I've probably stuck it in my card reader and
downloaded its contents to the Mac on my desk a thousand times or
more. What kind of card reader are you using? (BTW: I've heard more
problems reading cards by connecting the camera directly than I've
heard about with card readers. I think all of the card readers that
I've seen reports of problems from are the Dazzle brand.)

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Joseph Tainter]

I'm also tired of all the zooms which don't hold their aperture 
throughout the zoom range. Is it that difficult or expensive to make a 
constant-aperture zoom?


--

By one report/rumor, the forthcoming "high-performance telezoom" will be 
a 70/80-200 f2.8.


BTW, Shel, you got those confusing results because you looked at the 
wrong company. It is spelled "Petnax."


Joe

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


I looked at Boz's page yesterday.  Seems that almost every lens except the
DA has been discontinued or is out of production.


I would recommend a look at the Pentax Japan site; link circulated by
Godfrey earlier. If I wanted (for example) a black limited or a 2.8 
zoom and needed to buy new I would look there.



Only SIX primes are
shown as being in production (if i counted right), and eleven zooms. All
but one of the zooms is faster than an F4.0, and that's a 3.5.  I don't
think there was a constant aperture in the bunch.


16-45, 20-35 and the FAs,* from memory are in that list. I still see 
no answer as to the problem with variable aperture lenses.



Primes in the 2.0 - 2.8 range are certainly slow, at least by the standards
of some people.


There were/are a few Pentax lenses in the sub-2.0 range; what focal 
length concerns you and how much money have you got?


There is a known difficulty with Pentax lenses at the moment. Things 
may get better. I accept donations of depressingly slow, 2.0 and 2.8 
Pentax kit; please contact me off-line if interested.


Kostas

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Christian]

this is the one I was referring to:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=153&sort=7&cat=2&page=3

Christian

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada




On Aug 17, 2005, at 12:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

(To my knowledge, only Leica has made an f1.0 so far, and it was  for 
their rangefinder.)

Canon once made a f0.9.


Actually, at least two: the 50mm f/0.85 for the Canon 7 rangefinder,  and 
the 50mm f/0.9 for EOS mount (don't know if they ever made it for  FD 
mount). I believe the latter was discontinued only a few years  ago, 
although it was never produced in any large numbers.


Godfrey

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Joseph Tainter]

Didn´t Pentax plan to introduce a Limited DA-lens in the 50-60mm range? 
That would be nice if it has an aperture in the 1.4 area, even if it was 
more expensive.


--

DA 60-70 pancake. Probably another f2.8.

Joe

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Glen wrote:

they replace it with another f1.4 of better quality, that would be fine. If 
they come out with a high quality f1.0 replacement, that would be absolutely 
fantastic. (To my knowledge, only Leica has made an f1.0 so far, and it was 
for their rangefinder.)


This surely is a hint ;-)

Pentax never had a 1.0 in their line and they have long discontinued 
their 50/1.2.


Kostas

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Christian]

- Original Message - 
From: "Glen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For someone who used to shoot with Nikon film cameras, and just got a 
Pentax *istDS, these signs of fumbling around are all a little 
disappointing. I want Pentax to be a stable supplier of high-quality 
35mm-style DSLRs and quality lenses for a long time to come. I want them 
to be able to directly compete with Nikon and Canon. Killing the 50mm f1.4 
makes me a little nervous. If they replace it with another f1.4 of better 
quality, that would be fine. If they come out with a high quality f1.0 
replacement, that would be absolutely fantastic. (To my knowledge, only 
Leica has made an f1.0 so far, and it was for their rangefinder.)


Funny, I recently switched (went to the darkside, according to the list) 
from the *ist D to a 20D for the reasons you cite above.  I have no 
confidence whatsoever in Pentax fulfilling my wishes or needs in the future. 
I wanted Pentax to be a stable supplier of high-quality 35mm style DSLRs and 
lenses too.  But their recent products have convinced me they will not 
compete with Nikon and Canon in the market segment that interersts me.


BTW, Canon made a 50mm F1.0 (now discontinued).

Christian 

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 17, 2005, at 12:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

(To my knowledge, only Leica has made an f1.0 so far, and it was  
for their rangefinder.)

Canon once made a f0.9.


Actually, at least two: the 50mm f/0.85 for the Canon 7 rangefinder,  
and the 50mm f/0.9 for EOS mount (don't know if they ever made it for  
FD mount). I believe the latter was discontinued only a few years  
ago, although it was never produced in any large numbers.


Godfrey

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I don't.  That was one point in mentioning that the DA40 wasn't  
listed,
etc.  However, it seems odd that there is so much variation on  
different
sites as to what's available - nothing that is, in my mind,  
concrete and
that can be counted upon, with few exceptions.  Of course, a lens  
can be
discontinued but still be available until stocks and supplies are  
depleted.
And what's available in japan isn't always available elsewhere.   
Frankly, I

think Pentax is an effin' mess these days.


I think that's probably accurate. I don't think it seems odd, I think  
indicates a good deal of dysfunctional chaos in the company.  
Certainly their marketing and finance people are in an effin' pickle,  
that's for sure. With Nikon and Canon both having massive promotional/ 
advertising/product people budgets and owning something near 92% of  
the DSLR market share, it's a tough time to be Pentax, Konica  
Minolta, Fuji, etc.


Godfrey

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[P. J. Alling]

Canon once made a f0.9. 


Glen wrote:


At 03:10 PM 8/17/2005, P. J. Alling wrote:

I never said they were competent, after all the web site is probably 
run by the marketing department.


Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Interesting.  No mention is made of the 40mm DA that I could see, 
and the

14mm is, if I read correctly, described as a zoom lens.
Shel





For someone who used to shoot with Nikon film cameras, and just got a 
Pentax *istDS, these signs of fumbling around are all a little 
disappointing. I want Pentax to be a stable supplier of high-quality 
35mm-style DSLRs and quality lenses for a long time to come. I want 
them to be able to directly compete with Nikon and Canon. Killing the 
50mm f1.4 makes me a little nervous. If they replace it with another 
f1.4 of better quality, that would be fine. If they come out with a 
high quality f1.0 replacement, that would be absolutely fantastic. (To 
my knowledge, only Leica has made an f1.0 so far, and it was for their 
rangefinder.)



take care,
Glen





--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[Glen]

At 03:10 PM 8/17/2005, P. J. Alling wrote:

I never said they were competent, after all the web site is probably run 
by the marketing department.


Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Interesting.  No mention is made of the 40mm DA that I could see, and the
14mm is, if I read correctly, described as a zoom lens.
Shel



For someone who used to shoot with Nikon film cameras, and just got a 
Pentax *istDS, these signs of fumbling around are all a little 
disappointing. I want Pentax to be a stable supplier of high-quality 
35mm-style DSLRs and quality lenses for a long time to come. I want them to 
be able to directly compete with Nikon and Canon. Killing the 50mm f1.4 
makes me a little nervous. If they replace it with another f1.4 of better 
quality, that would be fine. If they come out with a high quality f1.0 
replacement, that would be absolutely fantastic. (To my knowledge, only 
Leica has made an f1.0 so far, and it was for their rangefinder.)



take care,
Glen

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[Shel Belinkoff]

Something similar in New Mexico 

http://tinyurl.com/drnzp


Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: P. J. Alling <

> The University of Mass. did remove the musket from the hands of the 
> Minuteman, (the state symbol and university mascot), in a fit of 
> political correctness.  You wouldn't want someone pinching their finger 
> in the exposed flintlock, let alone shooting themselves now would we?

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[P. J. Alling]

At least I didn't try to claim it as my own...

Mark Roberts wrote:


Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


P. J. Alling wrote:

   


There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
   --Mark Twain
 


Ah. I got it wrong. Three kinds, of course...
   



And the source of the quotation: It's by Leonard Henry Courtney. Mark
Twain *quoted* it but never claimed it as his own (indeed, Twain
attributed it, mistakenly, to Disraeli).
http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/maths/histstat/lies.htm

 




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When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PESO: Reinventing Technicolor?

[Christian]

- Original Message - 
From: "Glen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: PESO: Reinventing Technicolor?


> There's a big difference between what you just wrote, and calling my image
> "horrible". The truth is, you simply didn't like it. That's fine, but it's
> definitely not the same thing as my image being intrinsically "horrible"
in
> some way.

I don't like it, yes.  So it is "horrible" to me.  What I wrote were the
reasons I personally think it's horrible.  Any opinion I have of any image
is just that:  My personal opinion.  Just because I think your image is
horrible, doesn't make it so for everyone.  That's art for ya.  What's good
for you and some people may be crap to me and others.

My original post was meant to be funny (you know: hot chick, but a
background I don't like; hahahaha) and I would not have commented on it
otherwise.  I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

If you throw pictures out there on this list, you can't expect every review
to be glowing.  I certainly don't.  I'm my own worst critic and use words
such as "horrible", "crap", "f-ing disaster" and "wtf were you thinking?"
when I look at some of my own images.

But who am I to give any opinion at all on someone else's images?

>
> I've just updated that page with a couple extra images. Perhaps you might
> like one of the alternative images better:
>
> http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/burst.html
>
> Then again, if you personally don't like them, that's fine with me.

Sorry I don't.  The backgrounds just don't look "right" to me.  But what
really pops out at me now that I can look longer without getting a headache
is the left-to-right upward slope of the wall.  Oops, there I go again,
giving an opinion that might hurt someone's feelings.  :-)


Christian

Re: The Photographer's Rights

[P. J. Alling]

The University of Mass. did remove the musket from the hands of the 
Minuteman, (the state symbol and university mascot), in a fit of 
political correctness.  You wouldn't want someone pinching their finger 
in the exposed flintlock, let alone shooting themselves now would we?


William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The 
Photographer's Rights




Mass. is the nanny state, probably on their own.



They could use that as a licence plate logo.
WW





--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: FA 50/1.4 discontinued in Canada

[P. J. Alling]

I never said they were competent, after all the web site is probably run 
by the marketing department.


Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Interesting.  No mention is made of the 40mm DA that I could see, and the
14mm is, if I read correctly, described as a zoom lens. 

Shel 



 


[Original Message]
From: P. J. Alling 
   



 

Pentax USA, (Pentaximaging),  considers quite an extensive list of 
lenses to be current.



   


http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/cameras/lenses/digital_35mm/index.jsp



 




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When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: Recommended SD Cards for istDs

[Igor Roshchin]

Shell, 

I was looking for exactly the same information about 2 months ago.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a single place that would have
comprehensive series of tests answering your (and my) questions.

Here is a nice page comparing variety of cards (more on CF side,
but includes some SD as well). It does not have any test results
for Pentax bodies, but it gives some idea of differences between the cards.
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-7345
(Use the pull-down menu at the top on the right to navigate).

The rest of information I found in bits and pieces from variety of sites,
technical information, and opinions.
Based on that, I decided that Ultra II 1GB was the way to go for me.
I've recently was shooting at a wedding of my sister-in-law, with
two DS cameras. One had Sandisk Ultra II 1GB, the other Sandisk "standard"
1GB SD card. The images were stored in RAW. 
While I didn't time it, I did not notice any slowdown due to the 
"standard" SD card while shooting. The only situation when I _thought_
I noticed the difference was when I needed to review the image I just
took, and the after-shot review was gone, so I was going into the review mode,
and it was taking just a bit longer with SD to wait until the image
is recorded.  It is, however, possible, that I was biased.

The speed could differ when transferring the files to the computer,
but I didn't time it.
Take a look here (read the text on top of the table for the factors
affecting the speed): 
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-6894 

As for "Extreme III" version, I see that the speed difference (if any)
is not justifiable with the DS. (I don't remember, there might be
no speed difference at all, even in the specs).
I read  that Extreme III is a "hardened" version of the 
SD card, i.e. it has a wider range of conditions (temperature/humidity,
mechanical stress) that it can withstand.

I am not sure about other brands, but based on the website mentioned above
and opinions of users experessed in various forums and short reviews,
I made some tenative conclusion that nowdayws SanDisk makes more predictable
quality cards, i.e. all models have good solid performance, close
to the specifications (unlike the cards from some other manufacturers),
and have no or minimum issues and minimum variation in performance
with various camera bodies and card readers
(SD 512MB, 1GB,  CF 512 MB and above).

I would be interested to hear impression of other people about
the cards from other manufacturers, and especially test
results if one is aware of those.

One important moment to keep in mind: there are/could be different 
generations of the same card from the same manufacturer. You might not be
able to distiguish them by their looks, only by the serial numbers,
if you know them. But the performance can be VERY different.
So, be aware of this when comparing different test results, 
opinions, etc.

I hope this helps.

Igor


PS. Two month ago I bought a 1 GB Ultra II card on Amazon for ~$91
minus $20 manufacturer MIB. This was approaching the reasonable
price of a "standard" Sandisk 1Gb SD card.
I guess, if you are not in a harry and can afford waiting
1-2 weeks, you can catch yet another rebate like that on Amazon or elsewhere.




> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:13:40 -0700
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Recommended SD Cards for istDs
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Which brand and speed cards do you recommend for the istDs? I was thinking
> of the San Disk Ultra II, or a comparable Lexar, but I've no "brand
> loyalty" at this point.  
>
> Can the Ds use the speed of this, and similar cards?  Having cards that
> will DL a bit faster to the computer is nice, so it might be OK to have a
> card that's faster than the ability of the Ds ...  anyway, your comments
> would be appreciated.  Thank you.
>
> Shel 
>

Re: PESO: Reinventing Technicolor?

[Glen]

At 02:09 PM 8/17/2005, Christian wrote:


I did put a smiley there...  but seriously.  I don't like the background at
all.  I don't like the fractal image, the colors, the optical illusions,
nothing about it is appealing in any way to me.  But my opinion is
irrelevant to your purposes and creativity.  Don't take it personally. :-)


There's a big difference between what you just wrote, and calling my image 
"horrible". The truth is, you simply didn't like it. That's fine, but it's 
definitely not the same thing as my image being intrinsically "horrible" in 
some way.


I've just updated that page with a couple extra images. Perhaps you might 
like one of the alternative images better:


http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/burst.html

Then again, if you personally don't like them, that's fine with me.


take care,
Glen