RE: Time Magazines Best Photos of the Year 2005

[Bob W]

It's not their job to publish inspirational and joyful photos. The world is
awash with that type of photo. What it's short of is good hard news
photography.

The big news stories of the year have been the tsunami, hurricanes and so
on, so that's what you'd expect to feature. What would people have said
about balance if at the end of 2001 there had been nothing about the WTC
attacks?

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 12 December 2005 17:15
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: Time Magazines Best Photos of the Year 2005
> 
> On 12/12/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Depressing bunch of photos.  I mean I know it's PJ stuff, but surely 
> >they could have found some inspirational and joyful photos 
> to publish.
> 
> I agree entirely. I good set of pics is all about balance. No 
> balance here. There are some outstanding individual examples, 
> but as a set, they do not live up to the title they bare given Time.
> 
> Let's see Nat. Geo's set!

Re: PESO - Skimmers

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/12/2005 9:42:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey, wait a minute, I liked it.
=
There should be an amusing come back to that.

But everyone I can think of is too mean.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Re: WTB: Minolta Dimage IV Scanner

[Lucas Rijnders]

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:24:46 +0100, Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:





get the Dimage IV, at least do yourself a favor and buy better
software to run it. Minolta's software sucks.


Assuming the software for the III and IV are comparable: Do you mean the  
UI sucks or the performance sucks? And what 'better software' do you  
recommend?


I did try vuescan briefly, but I found the learning curve quite steep...

--
Regards, Lucas

Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[P. J. Alling]

William, I think your entire country's been diss'd.

Cotty wrote:


On 12/12/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


Canadian pricing is wrong.
   




oh, I don't think so...




Cheers,
 Cotty


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Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[P. J. Alling]

frank theriault wrote:


On 12/12/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


On 12/12/05, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

   


Instead it's a little Dunlin; a type of sandpiper.  Shot up the coast from
Cape May near Stone Harbor, New Jersey.

http://photography.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?pos=-42
you can click it to make the image slightly larger.

Rainy, windy,  nasty afternoon.

comments always appreciated.
 


Beautiful shot, as always mate.

Ahhh, what the hell - it's Christmas after all










Cheers,
 Cotty

   



Of course you realize, you're quite bonkers...

lmao

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

 


I think Daft is a better description...

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Re: M and A lenses - Taiwan vs. Japan

[P. J. Alling]

Interesting, about 1/2 my lenses are M and I don't have a single Taiwan 
product.  Even my FA 28-200 and "Dead" 28-70mm were assembled in Japan.


Jim Thomas wrote:

I've been searching all over the web and through the pdml archives for 
some description of the Taiwan lens phenomenon, or at least where it 
concerns the SMC Pentax-M and SMC Pentax-A lenses.  Can't find a 
thing.  Can anyone fill me in?  Or point me to a website that 
describes what this was all about?  Obviously the Made inTaiwan lenses 
are less preferable to the Japanese ones, I'm thinking.  Was there any 
rhyme or reason to the existence of some lenses in both Japanese and 
Taiwanese examples?  Every Pentax-M I seem to find is made in Taiwan, 
but as I understand it they ALL weren't.


Sorry for troubling you all with this silly little request, but it's 
been puzzling me for awhile now.  I'll go back to lurking now...


Jim






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Re: PAW - "Cave Stream"

[David Mann]

On Dec 13, 2005, at 6:56 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


What bothers me:
Just doesn't appear sharp - the walls look very detailed, but soft and
the stream rocks likewise - perhaps just need sharpening


The walls were probably quite soft anyway... limestone is a bit like  
that and the texture isn't cracks.  I guess it's some kind of  
weathering process.  The lighting was also quite diffused (cloudy  
weather).


Having said that I didn't put a huge amount of effort into  
sharpening.  I masked out the edges of the stream rocks because of  
halos and didn't come back for a second, more subtle sharpening.



Even though you worked hard on the hole, it still is pretty dark -
Velvia was probably a wrong choice here


It's quite subtle and is meant to still be quite dark.  If I get the  
time I might put up the "before" version later.  Don't look for  
detail in the middle of the hole - it's just an extra "section" on  
the right.


You're correct about Velvia being a bad choice.  I'm actually  
surprised I was able to get anything useful out of it at all.  I do  
wish I'd used something else but that was what I had in the camera at  
the time.  I can always go back and re-shoot.


Here's another view from a medium format slide that I scanned a few  
months ago.
The river rocks look a bit sharper, actually a little too sharp for  
my liking.

http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=6

Thanks for commenting.

- Dave

Re: GESO or PESO - the calendar is done - phew!

[Ann Sanfedele]

Actually re the links --
the smaller contact sheet is here with the cover
and more info:
 http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html

The link to the larger contact sheet was repeated
cause I changed the
order in the email by using copy instead of cut
and paste...
as long as people find their way to both :)

I like the way the pics look against the black
background - made it smaller
for the ad page but didn't redo the larger one
that way.

I love that contact sheet thing in photoshop.

glad you liked the glimpse, Marnie

night night
ann

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Some absolutely lovely images, Ann. At least as far as I can tell from the
> thumbnails. Yes, I've seen some before, but many I have not.
> 
> BTW, the link you gave for the smaller contact sheet and the larger contact
> sheet is the same. Not to nag, you said you were tired, but thought you'd like
> to know...
> 
> Loverly.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe
> ===
> 
> In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:35:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> down and dirty contact sheet of each image in the
> thing
> http://users.rcn.com/annsan/coverandpicscontactsheet.jpg
> 
> the link to more info on my homepage and big shot
> of cover
> http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html
> 
> down and dirty but larger contact sheet of each
> image in the thing
> http://users.rcn.com/annsan/coverandpicscontactsheet.jpg
> 
> I couldn't figure out a way to print the thing for
> less than about $30
> doing it myself on my old 820.
> 
> MOST of the photos were taken with a KX or LX but
> there are a few
> dark side digitals there too.
> 
> This was mainly done for a friend who I hope will
> still be around for another year.
> I always give her a log/engagement calendar of
> pretty nature or art things that
> I buy - hunt for them the year round...
> when it got to be her birthday and I had not found
> one I fulfilled one of my
> dreams of jsut taking time off and making one.
> 
> I'm hoping enough people buy just the files on a
> CD to help make up for
> the hours this took me.  THe good thing is, it
> works as a portfolio,
> it isn't year specific so maybe I could get lucky
> and have it actually
> published my someone for next year or later. (I
> know, I'm dreaming)
> 
> anyway comments welcome - though except for the
> cover these are just
> thumbnails.  A few of these will look familiar :)
> 
> ann the exhausted

Re: GESO or PESO - the calendar is done - phew!

[Ann Sanfedele]

"E.R.N. Reed" wrote:
> 
> Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> 
> >down and dirty contact sheet of each image in the
> >thing
> >http://users.rcn.com/annsan/coverandpicscontactsheet.jpg
> >
> >
> >the link to more info on my homepage and big shot
> >of cover
> >http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html
> >
> >down and dirty but larger contact sheet of each
> >image in the thing
> >http://users.rcn.com/annsan/coverandpicscontactsheet.jpg
> >
> At first glance, they are seriously gorgeous images.

Thanks!
> I've carefully saved the link for a longer look when I have more time.
> Get some rest!!
> 
> ERNR

Yes, mom !
I'm off to sleep just about now

ann

Re: OT: Do you guys think this is legit? or BS?

[P. J. Alling]

No Idea, but if you're friends with a lawyer, I'd run it past him/her first.

Ann Sanfedele wrote:


I haven't looked at his site yet - should I be
leary of it? anyone
know anything about it?

This is the email I got this morning - would be
great if it is real and safe

Anyone know anything at all about this or what
precautions I should take
with it? 


Thanks much - and sorry I haven't been peso and
paw commenting for a bit
I've just finished finally the work on the
engagement calendar 


ann
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	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PESO: Tanja

[P. J. Alling]

That brings back memories, I'm surprised my dog has survived.

wendy beard wrote:


On 12/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


Well, except when they chew on shoes and throw up and stuff. Nyah, even then.

   


Or shred the mail :-)
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53463679


--
Wendy Beard
Ottawa
Canada


 




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Re: PAW - "Cave Stream"

[David Mann]

On Dec 13, 2005, at 3:02 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

Dave my only nit with this is that I prefer the black hole be lower  
in the frame. drawing the viewer in more than as you have it


I have one with the hole lower.  It's in the batch I'll hopefully be  
processing tonight.  I think the hole is too low in that one though,  
as I can't see as much of the river as I'd like.


I'd like to go back to that location sometime... it's not far from  
here and in the right weather it's a great place for taking photos.



Was this a color capture?


Yep... Velvia :(

- Dave

Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas

[Tom C]

These jokes are getting a little dryer as time goes on.

Tom C.





From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:57:04 -0800

I can see that you're an agitator 

Some of the puns may be really Fab, but the list will Gain nothing of value
from them.  That's All for now ...

Shel
"Louis J.Abolafia Fan Club"


> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb

> > I'm sure you're going to "Bounce" right back to your gentle self. =]
>
> I see a bunch of puns coming in on the Tide

Re: OT: For Roberts, Brewer and others who ride on two wheels

[David Mann]

On Dec 13, 2005, at 6:09 AM, Cotty wrote:

How about this...a Bugatti VeyronUK motoring journo Jeremy  
Clarkson

tested one on the BBC's Top Gear prog recently and wouldn't shut up
about it.


Yeah but Clarkson won't shut up about anything, good or bad.

I do enjoy his show... don't know when we'll get the next series  
(we're about a year behind).


- Dave

Re: PAW - "Cave Stream"

[David Mann]

On Dec 12, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Ronald Arvidsson wrote:

Wonderful picture. You really got the rocks right. Is it some kind  
of limestone?


Yes, it's limestone.  The river has been gradually carving its way  
through for thousands of years.



Where in Canterbury is it?


It's about halfway between Christchurch and Arthurs Pass.  Not far  
from Lake Pearson if you have a good map.  Just follow highway 73.


- Dave

Re: PESO - Skimmers

[P. J. Alling]

Hey, wait a minute, I liked it.

Tim Øsleby wrote:

You are in minority, yes. 
But I'm with you (for what it's worth) ;-)



Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12. desember 2005 04:52
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - Skimmers

Okay, after reading the whole thread, I guess I was the only one that
really
liked the abstraction. To me it lifted it above an ordinary bird shot.

Shrug.

Marnie :-)

   






 




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When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PAW: Evening Bryce

[P. J. Alling]

No one as far as I know. 


Ronald Arvidsson wrote:

Who said an MX with a standard lens couldnt take nice pictures. 
Wonderfult colors and cropping.


Cheers,

Ronald

Peter Lacus wrote:


This one is from Bryce National Park, UT:

http://www.misenet.sk/USA/Br.html

Bedo.








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When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: Aliens

[P. J. Alling]

All I have to say is Eulck.

David Mann wrote:


What I thought was a dust spot in my scan was anything but...

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/bug.jpg  [29kb]

(That's a 100% crop at 4800ppi)

In reality it's a tiny little dead bug that was on the emulsion side  
of one corner of my slide.  Its body is all of 0.5mm long.


- Dave





--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Outdated ektachrome???

[P. J. Alling]

I'm trying to decide if it's even worth shooting this stuff.  I've got 
several rolls of 120 size Ektachrome dated 1999.  It's all e6 
professional and it's been kept refrigerated.  Anybody have any 
experience shooting film this old, what the age effects are, how much, 
(percentage since the initial speed ratings are all different) to 
compensate for lost sensitivity, that sort of thing.  Any suggestions 
would be appreciated.


--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: Nice price.

[P. J. Alling]

I never said it was trashed, I said it was defiled.

Cotty wrote:


On 12/12/05, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


$960.00 is a nice price?!?
   



Four years ago I bought a mint-in-box 85 1.4 for 650 GBP and sold a year
later for 750 GBP to help fund digital.

My current 85 is mint minus, or if you listen to the Allingator, trashed ;-)




Cheers,
 Cotty


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When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: GESO or PESO - the calendar is done - phew!

[Eactivist]

Some absolutely lovely images, Ann. At least as far as I can tell from the 
thumbnails. Yes, I've seen some before, but many I have not.

BTW, the link you gave for the smaller contact sheet and the larger contact 
sheet is the same. Not to nag, you said you were tired, but thought you'd like 
to know...

Loverly.

Marnie aka Doe 
===

In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:35:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
down and dirty contact sheet of each image in the
thing
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/coverandpicscontactsheet.jpg


the link to more info on my homepage and big shot
of cover
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html

down and dirty but larger contact sheet of each
image in the thing
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/coverandpicscontactsheet.jpg

I couldn't figure out a way to print the thing for
less than about $30
doing it myself on my old 820.  

MOST of the photos were taken with a KX or LX but
there are a few
dark side digitals there too. 

This was mainly done for a friend who I hope will
still be around for another year.
I always give her a log/engagement calendar of
pretty nature or art things that
I buy - hunt for them the year round...
when it got to be her birthday and I had not found
one I fulfilled one of my
dreams of jsut taking time off and making one.

I'm hoping enough people buy just the files on a
CD to help make up for
the hours this took me.  THe good thing is, it
works as a portfolio,
it isn't year specific so maybe I could get lucky
and have it actually 
published my someone for next year or later. (I
know, I'm dreaming)

anyway comments welcome - though except for the
cover these are just
thumbnails.  A few of these will look familiar :)

ann the exhausted

Re: GESO or PESO - the calendar is done - phew!

[E.R.N. Reed]

Ann Sanfedele wrote:


down and dirty contact sheet of each image in the
thing
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/coverandpicscontactsheet.jpg


the link to more info on my homepage and big shot
of cover
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html

down and dirty but larger contact sheet of each
image in the thing
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/coverandpicscontactsheet.jpg


At first glance, they are seriously gorgeous images.
I've carefully saved the link for a longer look when I have more time.
Get some rest!!

ERNR

GESO or PESO - the calendar is done - phew!

[Ann Sanfedele]

down and dirty contact sheet of each image in the
thing
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/coverandpicscontactsheet.jpg


the link to more info on my homepage and big shot
of cover
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html

down and dirty but larger contact sheet of each
image in the thing
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/coverandpicscontactsheet.jpg

I couldn't figure out a way to print the thing for
less than about $30
doing it myself on my old 820.  

MOST of the photos were taken with a KX or LX but
there are a few
dark side digitals there too. 

This was mainly done for a friend who I hope will
still be around for another year.
I always give her a log/engagement calendar of
pretty nature or art things that
I buy - hunt for them the year round...
when it got to be her birthday and I had not found
one I fulfilled one of my
dreams of jsut taking time off and making one.

I'm hoping enough people buy just the files on a
CD to help make up for
the hours this took me.  THe good thing is, it
works as a portfolio,
it isn't year specific so maybe I could get lucky
and have it actually 
published my someone for next year or later. (I
know, I'm dreaming)

anyway comments welcome - though except for the
cover these are just
thumbnails.  A few of these will look familiar :)

ann the exhausted

Re: Assessing Each Other

[Ann Sanfedele]

Frank - that is a terrific shot - 
most Erwittian :)

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3942925&size=lg

in the "damn I wish I'd taken that" category um
make that dogetory


ann

Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas

[Jack Davis]

If I did my own laundry, I'd know those detergent names too. 

Jack

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can see that you're an agitator 
> 
> Some of the puns may be really Fab, but the list will Gain nothing of
> value
> from them.  That's All for now ... 
> 
> Shel 
> "Louis J.Abolafia Fan Club" 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: William Robb 
> 
> > > I'm sure you're going to "Bounce" right back to your gentle self.
> =]
> >
> > I see a bunch of puns coming in on the Tide
> 
> 
> 


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Re: OT: rebates for SanDisk CF and SD cards

[Igor Roshchin]

Bob, 
am I correct that you are referring to the SanDisk "gaming card" (yellow)?
I was not able to find any information about the speed of it.
I was referring to Ultra II.

Also, I was unable to enter the coupon for $16.

Igor


Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:47:13 -0800
Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Igor,
> You can buy a 1GB card in the US for $50 after rebate at the office
> supply retailer Staples.  This week's deal.  They also sell on line.
> Regards,  Bob S.

Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas

[Shel Belinkoff]

I can see that you're an agitator 

Some of the puns may be really Fab, but the list will Gain nothing of value
from them.  That's All for now ... 

Shel 
"Louis J.Abolafia Fan Club" 


> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb 

> > I'm sure you're going to "Bounce" right back to your gentle self. =]
>
> I see a bunch of puns coming in on the Tide

Re: Time Magazines Best Photos of the Year 2005

[Shel Belinkoff]

It was just a photo of a woman and her daughter(?) standing there.  BFD ...
it could have been anyone, almost anywhere.  There was no context, no story
... 

Overall, these photos were pretty bad.  True, there were a couple that
stood out, but standing out from dreck is no big deal.

Shel 
" ..." 


> [Original Message]
> From: frank theriault 

> I was thinking ~exactly~ the same thing, Christian.  The only two
> photos that didn't have to do with death, dispare, suffering and gloom
> had to do with the Iraqui elections, and even then, one of those was
> of a loser in the elections.  

Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" 
Subject: Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas




I'm sure you're going to "Bounce" right back to your gentle self. =]


I see a bunch of puns coming in on the Tide

William Robb

Re: Critiques please

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ralf R. Radermacher"

Subject: Critiques please



First tests with DRI. I'm not exactly happy with the result. I find it
looks a tad dull, but all attempts to raise the contrast or saturation
make things look even worse.

http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1177031&ref=section&refid=7

Oh, and did I say I hate those stars?

Any suggestions other than repeating the shot with medium format which
is what I'll do anyway on saturday?


The stars are a byproduct of a small aperture. Open up a few stops, that 
should make em go away.
I am learning while experimanting with monochrome conversions that curves 
are my best friend.

Perhaps they should be your friend too?

William Robb 

Re: Lab For Color Film Processing

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" 
Subject: Re: Lab For Color Film Processing




What's rotary small tank processing?  Like a Jobo?


The same.

William Robb

Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"

Subject: Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas


LOL... you always see the gentler side... I have a red plaid CPO jacket 
too!


I recall that was part of your disguise when we met.

William Robb 

Re: Lab For Color Film Processing

[Shel Belinkoff]

What's rotary small tank processing?  Like a Jobo?

Shel 
"Do-it-yourself sig line" 


> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb

> I think rotary small tank processing is as good as good as D&D processing 
> for reliability.

Re: PESO -- Dusk in Hagerstown

[Scott Loveless]

Thanks, Tim.  Much appreciated!

On 12/10/05, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The wires are distracting, yes, but I do like the depth of the image. So I
> don't think the composition is so bad after all.
> The colours? You nailed them!
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Scott Loveless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 8. desember 2005 01:49
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: PESO -- Dusk in Hagerstown
> >
> > After spending almost 24 hours in the hospital following the birth of
> > our daughter, I just had to get some air.  So I grabbed the MX with an
> > M35/2.8 and a roll of Velvia 50 and headed out into the big, bad
> > streets of Hagerstown, MD.  Caught this one just before sunset.
> > http://twosixteen.com/gallery/index.php?id=261  It's not the best
> > composition, but I was really pleased with the colors.
> >
> > Criticism (constructive or not) welcome.
> >
> > --
> > Scott Loveless
> > http://www.twosixteen.com
> >
> > --
> > "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman
> >
>
>
>
>


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Re: WTB: Minolta Dimage IV Scanner

[Jerome Reyes]

I should've finished my sentence (d'oh!)

>> Before I fork over the credit card numbers to b&h,
>>I just figured I'd ask...

... if anyone had one to sell.

Nonetheless, thanks for the info, Glenn.

Re: WTB: Minolta Dimage IV Scanner

[Glenn]

It's the only negative/slide scanner I've ever used, so I can't
provide any useful comparisons for you. However, I think that if you
can afford a more expensive scanner you should go for it. If you do
get the Dimage IV, at least do yourself a favor and buy better
software to run it. Minolta's software sucks.

Glenn

On 12/12/05, Jerome Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Before I fork over the credit card numbers to b&h, I just figured I'd ask...
>
> Thanks.
>  - Jerome
>
>


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Re: Critiques please

[Jack Davis]

Ralf,

The lack of contrast on the factory appears simply to be a product the
presence of some light and distance from the camera.
I like the tone of the foreground buildings and the lighted areas
defining their nature.
The image is, however, a little heavy to the left and the "fix" isn't
readily apparent in the scene.

Jack 

--- "Ralf R. Radermacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> First tests with DRI. I'm not exactly happy with the result. I find
> it
> looks a tad dull, but all attempts to raise the contrast or
> saturation
> make things look even worse.
> 
>
http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1177031&ref=section&refid=7
> 
> Oh, and did I say I hate those stars?
> 
> Any suggestions other than repeating the shot with medium format
> which
> is what I'll do anyway on saturday?
> 
> Ralf
> 
> -- 
> Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
> private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
> manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
> Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
> 
> 


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WTB: Minolta Dimage IV Scanner

[Jerome Reyes]

Before I fork over the credit card numbers to b&h, I just figured I'd ask...

Thanks.
 - Jerome

Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas

[Jack Davis]

I'm sure you're going to "Bounce" right back to your gentle self. =]

Jack

--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> LOL... you always see the gentler side... I have a red plaid CPO
> jacket too!
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >To: 
> >Subject: Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas
> >Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:28:45 -0600
> >
> >
> >- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: RE: PESO: Velvia
> 
> >example for Kostas
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Sorry if I came across as harsh or soap-boxish.
> >
> >
> >Normally, you comes across more as a mild soap boxish.
> >Kinda Tom C., Downy Boy.
> >
> >b...
> >
> 
> 
> 


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Re: OT: For Roberts, Brewer and others who ride on two wheels

[Bob Sullivan]

I was visiting Minnesota last week where the locals mentioned that
they had caught a motorcycle rider who had been doing 160 mph
regularly and out running the rural police.  I guess they got a
helicopter and some roadblocks to stop him.  He was a nutter who had
the motorcycle manufacturer testify at his trial, thinking they would
say the cycle couldn't go that fast!  That Didn't Happen...
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/12/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/12/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/
> >0,,0-5-470118-1-486076-1-0-0-0-0-0-36-479389-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html
> >
> >I know that concept vehicles push the envelope, go to the limits, are
> >supposed to be outrageous, fantastic, etc, etc.
> >
> >But this is truly ridiculous...  
>
> How about this...a Bugatti VeyronUK motoring journo Jeremy Clarkson
> tested one on the BBC's Top Gear prog recently and wouldn't shut up
> about it. 16 cyl, 1000 BHP, restricted to 248mphit's a thing of beauty:
>
> 
>
>   (scroll down)
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
>
>
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
>
>
>

Critiques please

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

First tests with DRI. I'm not exactly happy with the result. I find it
looks a tad dull, but all attempts to raise the contrast or saturation
make things look even worse.

http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1177031&ref=section&refid=7

Oh, and did I say I hate those stars?

Any suggestions other than repeating the shot with medium format which
is what I'll do anyway on saturday?

Ralf

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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses

Re: PAW PESO - April Drinks a Beer

[graywolf]

Actually, prohibition hurt the big breweries worse. Most of the small 
breweries were producing bootleg beer during prohibition and simply went 
legit in 1933. The big breweries were monitored much more closely. BTW, 
prior to 1920 there were literally thousands of breweries in the US. 
Almost every town of any size had a local brewery. Prior to 
pasteurization and refrigeration most beer did not travel well, India 
Pale Ale being the noted exception. I do not believe there were any 
national breweries prior to prohibition.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



Gonz wrote:

I brew beer, and thats the story I've read about in the brew books.  
But , there is one additional piece of data: prohibition.  Prohibition 
killed off all the original unique breweries the US used to have. 
Brewed beer more like you get from Europe.  The big breweries survived 
by selling barley off to other clients.  The small breweries died.  
Then WWII came and the nature of beer changed once the big breweries 
came online again and their market, women, demanded lighter beer.




Bob Sullivan wrote:


Graywolf,
This sounds like an urban legend to me.
Taste is a very powerful memory and difficult to change.
Pabst Blue Ribbon tried to do change tastes in the '50's.
It worked out like New Coke - disaster.
My dad switched and never came back,
They changed back to the old formulation in about 5 years.
It was to late and the company died.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/10/05, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I guess I have not told the story of american beer in a while.

Back before WWII the factory guys used to stop in the bars afterwork 
for

a few beers while waiting for the streetcar. Everyone remembers
streetcars, right ?

Then during WWII while the guys were all off getting their arse shot
off, the girls took over the factory jobs. They figured they should get
to drink a few beers just like the guys use to, only they did not
actually like the taste of beer. Miller came up with the idea of making
a beer that did not have that nasty beer taste for the girls to indulge
in after work. Thus Miller High Life was born. The other breweries
slowly followed suit, especially after they realized how much cheaper
beer was to make when you cut it in half with water, and left out most
of the expensive hops. The funny thing, to me, is that Miller's is 
still

about the same as they made it back in WWII, but most of the others are
even worse now.

99% of the time I drink imports. However, in this age of 
micro-breweries

you can get decent american beer. Not all of the micro-brewed stuff is
decent, not even most of it, but some definately is.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



Don Williams wrote:



You can get decent beer in the US; Amstel and Carlsberg are available
in New York and San Francisco -- and hundreds of other places I've
never visited, I guess.

I once drank a bottle of Miller's in Ballston Lake, or Saratoga
Springs I can't be sure. It was atrocious. Why is beer making so
difficult? Or do they make it right and then bugger it up before
bottling?

Don W

Paul Stenquist wrote:



Coors was very popular among east coast and midwest auto racers,
particularly drag racers, during the sixties. It wasn't available
east of the Rockies, so it was essentially an "import." In those days
the fastest dragsters were all from California, and the California
racers used empty Coors cans to cover their eight exhaust pipes went
the car was shut off. Their eastern counterparts wanted everything
the fast guys had of course, so getting a set of Coors cans was a
major achievement. Some apparently took the leap of logic that if the
cans were good for covering your pipes, the beer must be good for
pouring down your personal pipe. So guys driving back from the west
coast used to pack as much Coors as they could into their trucks. I
guess for folks who grew up drinking Bud, Miller and Strohs, it
probably tasted okay. Like most other beers, I would guess it's not
the same brew today that it was forty years ago. I can't remember
ever trying it.
Paul
On Dec 10, 2005, at 6:26 AM, graywolf wrote:



An allegedly alcoholic beverage brewed by a neo-Nazi company in
Colorado. The main virtue of it was it was 3.2% beer and thus
legally buyable by use underage GI's back in the early 60's.
Definitely not for anyone who likes the taste of beer. AKA cow piss.

As you probably can tell I did not like the man, the company, nor
the beer.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



Boris Liberman wrote:



Hi!



Here's a pic of little April enjoying a Coors. I'm wondering which
rendition you prefer, and why.  If you've the time and
inclination, I'd
appreciate any comments.  Thanks!

http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/april-2up.html





What Coors is, please?

I

Re: OT: rebates for SanDisk CF and SD cards

[Bob Sullivan]

Igor,
You can buy a 1GB card in the US for $50 after rebate at the office
supply retailer Staples.  This week's deal.  They also sell on line.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/12/05, Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, I sent a link to an old rebate coupon.
> The current rebate is similar for the 1GB UltraII cards:
> http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/00/10/00/15/12/91/100015129141.pdf
> Valid for purchases made Dec. 6-19.
>
> Igor
>
>
> > Hi All,
>
> > I hope this will help Santa with the presents for some people on this list.
> > I hope this posting does not violate the list rules.
>
> > I just found that I was waiting for:
> > Amazon has mail-in-rebate for CF and SD cards, including Ultra II.
> > $20 for 1 GB cards, $25 for 2 GB cards, other rebates.
> > http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/00/10/00/14/83/82/100014838257.pdf
> >
> > E.g. 1GB SD card will cost $65 shipped (+tax where applicable).
> >
> > I suspect that some other vendors might have similar rebates
> > (J&R, Fry's Electronics/Outpost, NewEgg).
> >
> > Igor
>
>

Re: OT: For Roberts, Brewer and others who ride on two wheels

[graywolf]

A long ways from the, "If you can afford one of my cars, you can afford 
a heated garage.", purported to E Bugatti when some one complained his 
car was hard to start in the cold.



graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



mike wilson wrote:


Cotty wrote:


On 12/12/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:



http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/



0,,0-5-470118-1-486076-1-0-0-0-0-0-36-479389-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html

I know that concept vehicles push the envelope, go to the limits, are
supposed to be outrageous, fantastic, etc, etc.

But this is truly ridiculous...  




How about this...a Bugatti VeyronUK motoring journo Jeremy Clarkson
tested one on the BBC's Top Gear prog recently and wouldn't shut up
about it. 16 cyl, 1000 BHP, restricted to 248mphit's a thing of 
beauty:




  (scroll down)



The best bits about that are:
1. it's a VW
2. it costs £800,000 to buy but £5,000,000 to make..

Now _that's_ ridiculous!

Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/12/2005 2:41:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Beautiful shot, as always mate.
>
> Ahhh, what the hell - it's Christmas after all
>
>
> 
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>

Of course you realize, you're quite bonkers...

lmao

-frank
===
Yes, he is, but ROFL.

Marnie 

Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas

[Tom C]

LOL... you always see the gentler side... I have a red plaid CPO jacket too!

Tom C.





From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: 
Subject: Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:28:45 -0600


- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: RE: PESO: Velvia 
example for Kostas






Sorry if I came across as harsh or soap-boxish.



Normally, you comes across more as a mild soap boxish.
Kinda Tom C., Downy Boy.

b...

Re: OT: rebates for SanDisk CF and SD cards

[Igor Roshchin]

Sorry, I sent a link to an old rebate coupon.
The current rebate is similar for the 1GB UltraII cards:
http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/00/10/00/15/12/91/100015129141.pdf
Valid for purchases made Dec. 6-19.

Igor


> Hi All,

> I hope this will help Santa with the presents for some people on this list.
> I hope this posting does not violate the list rules.

> I just found that I was waiting for:
> Amazon has mail-in-rebate for CF and SD cards, including Ultra II.
> $20 for 1 GB cards, $25 for 2 GB cards, other rebates.
> http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/00/10/00/14/83/82/100014838257.pdf
> 
> E.g. 1GB SD card will cost $65 shipped (+tax where applicable).
> 
> I suspect that some other vendors might have similar rebates
> (J&R, Fry's Electronics/Outpost, NewEgg).
> 
> Igor

RE: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas

[Jack Davis]

Tom,

Not at all. No offense taken.
Actually, Kostas and I enjoyed an aminable and thorough ringing out
this subject off list. I got started there, to be more certain he saw
the promised post, and I believe we ultimately came to a common
agreement as to the color characteristics of Velvia. At least as
reproduced in the example image.

Jack

--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Jack,
> 
> I wasn't drawing any connection between sharpness and color fidelity.
>  What 
> I found unusual was that the photo shown as an example did not look
> sharp 
> and that could, pardon the pun, otherwise color viewers perceptions
> of the 
> film.  Sorry. I must have not seen your comments regarding scan
> quality.
> 
> I agree, it's hard to look through others eyes.  My mother constantly
> calls 
> things green that I perceive as yellow.  Of course I'm right...
> because the 
> auto manufacturer calls the car gold, not green.
> 
> Personal preference, I suppose, is the reason why so many films
> exist.
> 
> Sorry if I came across as harsh or soap-boxish.
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >Subject: RE: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas
> >Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 06:50:19 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >I mentioned that this was scanned on an Epson 3170 in support of my
> >earlier disclaimer of the scanner's ability to make a satisfactory
> scan
> >of a 35mm. (all my 35mm scans are done commercially). In my
> inventory,
> >this particular shot is unsurpassed in terms of revealed fine
> detail.
> >I am, however, wondering what connection you're making between
> >sharpness and color fidelity. May be a minor point that you can take
> up
> >with yourself.
> >It was shot on a misty day in a wooded area in very flat light.
> >The kind of day you look for to produce vivid true colors.
> >There is no way of my seeing through your color cones and no way
> will I
> >attempt to convince you of what you're "seeing".
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >
> >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > OK... Jack... now show us a shot that's in focus or where there's
> not
> > > a
> > > breeze... I think the colors of the leaves and such are just
> fine...
> > >
> > > obviously shot in low light with a lot of contrast, hence the
> very
> > > dark
> > > almost silhouette... but I don't find the colors, which are
> supposed
> > > to be
> > > bright and vibrant based on the subject, unnatural or
> unappealing.
> > >
> > > The fact that Velvia has been by far and away the leading
> landscape
> > > nature
> > > film for just about the last 15 years says that many people,
> > > including those
> > > making a living, and 'pros' don't agree.
> > >
> > > I was expecting you'd show us a picture where the colors are
> grossly
> > > distorted.  This doesn't look that way to me.
> > >
> > > I've been using Velvia since it came out and can display quite a
> > > number of
> > > shots that have had widespead appeal (from those who have viewed
> > > them).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom C.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > > >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > > >Subject: RE: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas
> > > >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:32:38 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Ugh!  Yech!  Barf!
> > > >
> > > >Shel
> > > >"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: Jack Davis
> > > >
> > > > > Kostas, here is the example of Velvia you requested. Forgot
> link
> > > and
> > > > > was wrong in a second attempt.
> > > > > You may have read my comments in the earlier attempt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack
> > > > >
> > > > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=96
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >__
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> >Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> >http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> 
> 
> 


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OT: rebates for SanDisk CF and SD cards

[Igor Roshchin]

Hi All,

I hope this will help Santa with the presents for some people on this list.
I hope this posting does not violate the list rules.

I just found that I was waiting for:
Amazon has mail-in-rebate for CF and SD cards, including Ultra II.
$20 for 1 GB cards, $25 for 2 GB cards, other rebates.
http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/00/10/00/14/83/82/100014838257.pdf

E.g. 1GB SD card will cost $65 shipped (+tax where applicable).

I suspect that some other vendors might have similar rebates
(J&R, Fry's Electronics/Outpost, NewEgg).

Igor

Re: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C" 
Subject: RE: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas






Sorry if I came across as harsh or soap-boxish.



Normally, you comes across more as a mild soap boxish.
Kinda Tom C., Downy Boy.

b...

Re: PAW PESO - April Drinks a Beer

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject: Re: PAW PESO - April Drinks a Beer



BTW Bills B&W conversions were top and bottom, but he may have set that .


I put my pix in seperate lines..


 
 


But I post kinda big pictures for side by side presentations anyway.

William Robb

PESO - Art Under the Freeway: Wheelchair Racer

[Shel Belinkoff]

Here's a pic of another piece of artwork from under the freeway.  This is a
tight shot to show some detail in the face.  I'll probably post a wider
shot later today or tomorrow.

http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/racer.html


Shel 
"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 

Re: Nice price

[Bob Sullivan]

Yup!  A good deal for sure.  Bob S.

On 12/12/05, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I just bought a copy of the A*200/4 macro today from a private seller in
> > Germany for 450 Euros - the deal of the year for me, I think!
>
> I would say so, Jim.  Good for you.
>
> Fred
>
>

Re: PAW PESO - April Drinks a Beer

[Bob Sullivan]

Gonz,
I remember going to an ORSA meeting in Milwaukee in '76 or '77.
There were locals from Schlitz(?) and some 'consultants' from Phillip Morris
who had recently bought Schlitz (and then gutted it).
I remember the Phillip Morris guy going on about how they were going to
rationalize the market and in 10 years there would only be 5 US brewers,
no more small breweries as they gobbled them up or forced them out
of the grocery stores/liquor stores.  And that happened...
Turn the clock forward to ~'95 and the craft brewers started to re-appear
in Milwaukee.  I have a friend who owns a brewery today.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/12/05, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I brew beer, and thats the story I've read about in the brew books.  But
> , there is one additional piece of data: prohibition.  Prohibition
> killed off all the original unique breweries the US used to have.
> Brewed beer more like you get from Europe.  The big breweries survived
> by selling barley off to other clients.  The small breweries died.  Then
> WWII came and the nature of beer changed once the big breweries came
> online again and their market, women, demanded lighter beer.
>
>
>
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
> > Graywolf,
> > This sounds like an urban legend to me.
> > Taste is a very powerful memory and difficult to change.
> > Pabst Blue Ribbon tried to do change tastes in the '50's.
> > It worked out like New Coke - disaster.
> > My dad switched and never came back,
> > They changed back to the old formulation in about 5 years.
> > It was to late and the company died.
> > Regards,  Bob S.
> >
> > On 12/10/05, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>I guess I have not told the story of american beer in a while.
> >>
> >>Back before WWII the factory guys used to stop in the bars afterwork for
> >>a few beers while waiting for the streetcar. Everyone remembers
> >>streetcars, right ?
> >>
> >>Then during WWII while the guys were all off getting their arse shot
> >>off, the girls took over the factory jobs. They figured they should get
> >>to drink a few beers just like the guys use to, only they did not
> >>actually like the taste of beer. Miller came up with the idea of making
> >>a beer that did not have that nasty beer taste for the girls to indulge
> >>in after work. Thus Miller High Life was born. The other breweries
> >>slowly followed suit, especially after they realized how much cheaper
> >>beer was to make when you cut it in half with water, and left out most
> >>of the expensive hops. The funny thing, to me, is that Miller's is still
> >>about the same as they made it back in WWII, but most of the others are
> >>even worse now.
> >>
> >>99% of the time I drink imports. However, in this age of micro-breweries
> >>you can get decent american beer. Not all of the micro-brewed stuff is
> >>decent, not even most of it, but some definately is.
> >>
> >>graywolf
> >>http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> >>"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
> >>---
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Don Williams wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>You can get decent beer in the US; Amstel and Carlsberg are available
> >>>in New York and San Francisco -- and hundreds of other places I've
> >>>never visited, I guess.
> >>>
> >>>I once drank a bottle of Miller's in Ballston Lake, or Saratoga
> >>>Springs I can't be sure. It was atrocious. Why is beer making so
> >>>difficult? Or do they make it right and then bugger it up before
> >>>bottling?
> >>>
> >>>Don W
> >>>
> >>>Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> Coors was very popular among east coast and midwest auto racers,
> particularly drag racers, during the sixties. It wasn't available
> east of the Rockies, so it was essentially an "import." In those days
> the fastest dragsters were all from California, and the California
> racers used empty Coors cans to cover their eight exhaust pipes went
> the car was shut off. Their eastern counterparts wanted everything
> the fast guys had of course, so getting a set of Coors cans was a
> major achievement. Some apparently took the leap of logic that if the
> cans were good for covering your pipes, the beer must be good for
> pouring down your personal pipe. So guys driving back from the west
> coast used to pack as much Coors as they could into their trucks. I
> guess for folks who grew up drinking Bud, Miller and Strohs, it
> probably tasted okay. Like most other beers, I would guess it's not
> the same brew today that it was forty years ago. I can't remember
> ever trying it.
> Paul
> On Dec 10, 2005, at 6:26 AM, graywolf wrote:
> 
> 
> >An allegedly alcoholic beverage brewed by a neo-Nazi company in
> >Colorado. The main virtue of it was it was 3.2% beer and thus
> >legally buyable by use underage GI's back in the early 60's.
> >Definitely not for anyone who likes the taste of beer. AKA cow piss.
> >
> >As you probably can tell I did not like the man, the company, nor
> 

Re: PESO - Art Under the Freeway

[Shel Belinkoff]

Jack,

I am the last person on this list that anyone should even think about
envying.

Glad you were pleasantly surprised.

Shel 
"Do-it-yourself sig line" 


> [Original Message]
> From: Jack Davis 

> Another target secured. I envy your apparent free roaming schedule. The
> Bay Area has to be a joy hole of photographic opportunities.
> When you mentioned "Under the Interstate 80 Freeway...", I was
> expecting an impressionistic work comprised of bits and pieces of
> graffiti forming the bed post of a sleeping (?) transient.
> Nice surprise!


> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/28s.html

RE: Who's Not Using Digital

[Manuel Magalhães]

Not for a couple of years. I don't want to spend money in something that is
going to be outdated in several months. With slides I have the "raw" allways
at my service with just a film scanner. Rolls of film developed and
digitalized are less expensive than buying DSLR that have less pixels than
film or slides, couple of Giants SD's and so on. And the tecnology is still
imature, full frames that can not handle wide angles, ccd's vs cmos, limits
in the number of photos a camera is able to do. I could be writing so many
words about it, and most of them aren't mine. When Pentax DSLR's could match
my MZS or Super A, Konica Minolta dual scan IV and slide film for the same
price, I am on it.

Manuel

-Mensagem original-
De: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviada: domingo, 11 de Dezembro de 2005 17:39
Para: PDML
Assunto: Who's Not Using Digital

I was thinking about this last night.  It seems that most everyone on the
list, at least from the usual gang of "regular posters," has made the move
to digital.  Who hasn't, and who have no plans to do so in the near or
foreseeable future?


Shel 
"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 

Re: Who's Not Using Digital

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 12, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

And, for a slightly different perspective, the Pentax 10-17mm  
fisheye:


In my experience, the effect of a fisheye lens wears off much too
rapidly to justify the expense.


I have to admit that fisheye views often become cliché to my eye too.  
However, I'm still pleased with the photos that the Zenitar 16 fish- 
eye makes with the DS body.


http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/46.htm

The key is to work on good compositions for which the curvilinear  
rendering is an advantage rather than a detriment.


Godfrey

Re: OT: For Roberts, Brewer and others who ride on two wheels

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On 12/10/05, Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0,,0-5-470118-1-486076-1-0-0-0-0-0-36-479389-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html
>
>I know that concept vehicles push the envelope, go to the limits, are
>supposed to be outrageous, fantastic, etc, etc.
>
>But this is truly ridiculous...  

http://www.bigbikeriders.com/48cyl.htm
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Who's Not Using Digital

[Rob Studdert]

On 13 Dec 2005 at 0:22, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

> Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Or so I thought, as well. Have you ever tried it?  Once converted to
> linear, the residual distorsion of those lenses (usually wave-shaped)
> looks far worse than the fisheye image you started with and it's a lot
> more complicated to correct.

I convert fisheye images to rectilinear regularly and have done for many years, 
at least 1/3 of the 4500+ images that I shot on my recent trip were shot using 
my fisheye with a view to rectilinear remapping..

> The extremely softened edges you'll be getting aren't very esthetical,
> either.

There is very little visible degradation at the edges particularly given an APS 
cropped original file. Generally the outcome is as good as or better than 
dedicated WA lenses, as an example my A15/3.5 displays greater residual 
geometric distortion than my corrected fisheye images (though I can also negate 
the remnant distortion in the 15mm images using the same application).


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

RE: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas

[Tom C]

Hi Jack,

I wasn't drawing any connection between sharpness and color fidelity.  What 
I found unusual was that the photo shown as an example did not look sharp 
and that could, pardon the pun, otherwise color viewers perceptions of the 
film.  Sorry. I must have not seen your comments regarding scan quality.


I agree, it's hard to look through others eyes.  My mother constantly calls 
things green that I perceive as yellow.  Of course I'm right... because the 
auto manufacturer calls the car gold, not green.


Personal preference, I suppose, is the reason why so many films exist.

Sorry if I came across as harsh or soap-boxish.

Tom C.





From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 06:50:19 -0800 (PST)

I mentioned that this was scanned on an Epson 3170 in support of my
earlier disclaimer of the scanner's ability to make a satisfactory scan
of a 35mm. (all my 35mm scans are done commercially). In my inventory,
this particular shot is unsurpassed in terms of revealed fine detail.
I am, however, wondering what connection you're making between
sharpness and color fidelity. May be a minor point that you can take up
with yourself.
It was shot on a misty day in a wooded area in very flat light.
The kind of day you look for to produce vivid true colors.
There is no way of my seeing through your color cones and no way will I
attempt to convince you of what you're "seeing".

Jack


--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK... Jack... now show us a shot that's in focus or where there's not
> a
> breeze... I think the colors of the leaves and such are just fine...
>
> obviously shot in low light with a lot of contrast, hence the very
> dark
> almost silhouette... but I don't find the colors, which are supposed
> to be
> bright and vibrant based on the subject, unnatural or unappealing.
>
> The fact that Velvia has been by far and away the leading landscape
> nature
> film for just about the last 15 years says that many people,
> including those
> making a living, and 'pros' don't agree.
>
> I was expecting you'd show us a picture where the colors are grossly
> distorted.  This doesn't look that way to me.
>
> I've been using Velvia since it came out and can display quite a
> number of
> shots that have had widespead appeal (from those who have viewed
> them).
>
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >Subject: RE: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas
> >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:32:38 -0800
> >
> >Ugh!  Yech!  Barf!
> >
> >Shel
> >"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax"
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Jack Davis
> >
> > > Kostas, here is the example of Velvia you requested. Forgot link
> and
> > > was wrong in a second attempt.
> > > You may have read my comments in the earlier attempt.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=96
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Re: OT: For Roberts, Brewer and others who ride on two wheels

[mike wilson]

Cotty wrote:

On 12/12/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:



The best bits about that are:
1. it's a VW
2. it costs £800,000 to buy but £5,000,000 to make..



Who's a little old Top gear watcher then ;-)



Richard May rides bikes; so he actually has something interesting to 
say, unlike the ferocious grunting of that Neanderthal, Clarkson.

Re: Who's Not Using Digital

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In the digital realm converting a fisheye view to a rectilinear view is
> as easy 
> as applying any digital image filter, so fisheye lenses can realistically
> be  treated as ultra view angle rectilinear lenses too.

Or so I thought, as well. Have you ever tried it?  Once converted to
linear, the residual distorsion of those lenses (usually wave-shaped)
looks far worse than the fisheye image you started with and it's a lot
more complicated to correct.

The extremely softened edges you'll be getting aren't very esthetical,
either.

Ralf

-- 
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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses

PESO - Art Under the Freeway: Wheelchair Racer

[Shel Belinkoff]

Posted this a while ago but didn't see it appear on the list.
===

Here's a pic of another piece of artwork from under the freeway. This is a
tight shot to show some detail in the face. I'll probably post a wider shot
later today or tomorrow.
 
http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/racer.html
 

Shel 
"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 

Re: Who's Not Using Digital

[Rob Studdert]

On 13 Dec 2005 at 0:01, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

> Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > See
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=527031;
> > also
> > http://www.photo.net...
> 
> I'll be honest, I'm rather unimpressed. Though I'm a fan of extreme
> wideangle lenses (of the linear variety), it appears fisheyes don't do
> much for me.

In the digital realm converting a fisheye view to a rectilinear view is as easy 
as applying any digital image filter, so fisheye lenses can realistically be 
treated as ultra view angle rectilinear lenses too.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Who's Not Using Digital

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> See
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=527031;
> also
> http://www.photo.net...

I'll be honest, I'm rather unimpressed. Though I'm a fan of extreme
wideangle lenses (of the linear variety), it appears fisheyes don't do
much for me.

Ralf

-- 
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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses

Re: PAW PESO - April Drinks a Beer

[brooksdj]

1024 x 768
Samsung 17" 753df, flat screen

I don't see your reply Shel, so i;ll reply to this one.  

Dave
BTW Bills B&W conversions were top and bottom, but he may have set that .


> If the browser window is narrow, the 
right hand picture wraps to be  
> below the left hand one.
> 
> Examining your HTML code, this is because you put both pictures in  
> the same cell in a table with two non-breaking space characters  
> between them, rather than put two pictures each in a cell on the same  
> row of a table. When changing the window size, nbsp characters will  
> break and wrap.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> > Bottom picture?  They were presented side-by-side.  What size  
> > monitor are
> > you using?  Resolution?
> >
> > Shel
> > "You meet the nicest people with a Pentax"
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >> I like the warmer tones and her eyes in the bottom picture.
> >> Her eyes really make the shot.
> >
> >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/april-2up.html
> >
> >
> 

Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[Cotty]

On 12/12/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Canadian pricing is wrong.


oh, I don't think so...




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT: Do you guys think this is legit? or BS?

[Ann Sanfedele]

mike wilson wrote:
> 
> Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> 
> > I haven't looked at his site yet - should I be
> > leary of it? anyone
> > know anything about it?
> >
> > This is the email I got this morning - would be
> > great if it is real and safe
> >
> > Anyone know anything at all about this or what
> > precautions I should take
> > with it?
> >
> > Thanks much - and sorry I haven't been peso and
> > paw commenting for a bit
> > I've just finished finally the work on the
> > engagement calendar
> >
> > ann
> > __
> >
> 
> It's fairly upfront about charging you $340 per year.
> 
> mike

I didn't even get that far when I finally got to
the site :)
a

Re: PESO - Art Under the Freeway

[Jack Davis]

Another target secured. I envy your apparent free roaming schedule. The
Bay Area has to be a joy hole of photographic opportunities.
When you mentioned "Under the Interstate 80 Freeway...", I was
expecting an impressionistic work comprised of bits and pieces of
graffiti forming the bed post of a sleeping (?) transient.
Nice surprise!

Jack 

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Under the Interstate 80 Freeway in Emeryville, CA, there are a series
> of
> about 10 metal sculptures.  Here's a pic of one made with the KM and
> the
> K85/1.8 - just a "documentary" shot, although I like the free and
> light
> feeling this piece projects.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/28s.html
> 
> 
> Shel 
> "You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[William Robb]

Canadian pricing is wrong.
WW

Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[frank theriault]

On 12/12/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/12/05, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Instead it's a little Dunlin; a type of sandpiper.  Shot up the coast from
> >Cape May near Stone Harbor, New Jersey.
> >
> >http://photography.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?pos=-42
> >you can click it to make the image slightly larger.
> >
> >Rainy, windy,  nasty afternoon.
> >
> >comments always appreciated.
>
> Beautiful shot, as always mate.
>
> Ahhh, what the hell - it's Christmas after all
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>

Of course you realize, you're quite bonkers...

lmao

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO - Art Under the Freeway

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Frank ...

The second posting of a pic from this series, Wheelchair Racer, probably
shows the freestanding aspect a bit better.  Glad y'liked the snap.

Shel 
"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 


> [Original Message]
> From: frank theriault 

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/28s.html


> It ~looks~ like it's painted on a wall, but there's this weird "3D"
> look to it (so I guess it really is a metal sculpture).
>
> Cool shot, Shel!

Re: PESO - Art Under the Freeway

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Bruce ...

Thanks!

I've been meaning to get back there at night.  I saw some mounted lights
and  imagine the pieces are illuminated then.  Next time you're in the
area, check 'em out.  It's worth a brief detour.

Shel 
"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> Now I wonder just how many times I have driven over it without even
> knowing that it's there?  Love your technique and sharing of something
> unusual.
>
> -- 
> Bruce
>
>
> Monday, December 12, 2005, 12:46:20 PM, you wrote:
>
> SB> Under the Interstate 80 Freeway in Emeryville, CA, there are a series
of
> SB> about 10 metal sculptures.  Here's a pic of one made with the KM and
the
> SB> K85/1.8 - just a "documentary" shot, although I like the free and
light
> SB> feeling this piece projects.
>
> SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/28s.html

Re: PESO: Tanja

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "wendy beard" 
Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja





Or shred the mail :-)
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53463679


Looks like a CKC renewal
WW

Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[Cotty]

On 12/12/05, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Instead it's a little Dunlin; a type of sandpiper.  Shot up the coast from 
>Cape May near Stone Harbor, New Jersey.
>
>http://photography.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?pos=-42
>you can click it to make the image slightly larger.
>
>Rainy, windy,  nasty afternoon.
>
>comments always appreciated.

Beautiful shot, as always mate.

Ahhh, what the hell - it's Christmas after all










Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Nice price

[Fred]

> I just bought a copy of the A*200/4 macro today from a private seller in
> Germany for 450 Euros - the deal of the year for me, I think!

I would say so, Jim.  Good for you.

Fred

Re: national Wildlife Federation photo contest

[wendy beard]

On 12/10/05, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wonderful stuff.
> My wife subscribed to the magazine all on her own.
> I saw it Tuesday for the first time.
> Owl shot is extraordinary.

Agreed. Great owl shot.
I got buzzed by one of those things too earlier this year. They are huge!
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/38731108

--
Wendy Beard
Ottawa
Canada

Re: O.T.: Time Magazines Best Photos of the Year 2005

[Margus Männik]

Hi there,

Those ?
http://www.time.com/time/yip/2005/

I saw those photos... and I totally didn't liked 'em.
Seems that NOTHING besides the disasters would count (and sell) anymore...

BR, Margus


David Savage wrote:


G'day All,

Just saw a news story about Time magazines best photos 2005 edition.
Decided to go looking for it & I thought I'd post the link here.

Cheers,

Dave



 

Re: PESO - Art Under the Freeway

[Bruce Dayton]

Now I wonder just how many times I have driven over it without even
knowing that it's there?  Love your technique and sharing of something
unusual.

-- 
Bruce


Monday, December 12, 2005, 12:46:20 PM, you wrote:

SB> Under the Interstate 80 Freeway in Emeryville, CA, there are a series of
SB> about 10 metal sculptures.  Here's a pic of one made with the KM and the
SB> K85/1.8 - just a "documentary" shot, although I like the free and light
SB> feeling this piece projects.

SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/28s.html


SB> Shel 
SB> "You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 

Re: Who's Not Using Digital

[Rick Womer]

Ralf,

See
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=527031;
also
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3760021
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3760007
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3760017
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3760024

Finally, this was taken with a borrowed fisheye:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3536070

Lots more I haven't scanned yet...

Enjoy,

Rick

--- "Ralf R. Radermacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > How rapidly is "too rapidly"?  I got an FA 17-28
> > fisheye zoom in July, and it is still my
> > second-most-used lens.
> 
> Anything online?
> 
> Ralf
> 
> -- 
> Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  Köln/Cologne,
> Germany
> private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
> manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan.
> 10, 2005
> Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
> 
> 


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M and A lenses - Taiwan vs. Japan

[Jim Thomas]

I've been searching all over the web and through the pdml archives for 
some description of the Taiwan lens phenomenon, or at least where it 
concerns the SMC Pentax-M and SMC Pentax-A lenses.  Can't find a thing.  
Can anyone fill me in?  Or point me to a website that describes what 
this was all about?  Obviously the Made inTaiwan lenses are less 
preferable to the Japanese ones, I'm thinking.  Was there any rhyme or 
reason to the existence of some lenses in both Japanese and Taiwanese 
examples?  Every Pentax-M I seem to find is made in Taiwan, but as I 
understand it they ALL weren't.


Sorry for troubling you all with this silly little request, but it's 
been puzzling me for awhile now.  I'll go back to lurking now...


Jim

Re: Nice price

[Jim King]

Peter Jordan wrote on Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:56:52 -0800:

One of those (A*200/4) just went in the UK for rather a lot.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
ViewItem&rd=1&item=7566855898&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT


+++

Yes, I bid in that auction but it went too high for my wallet to  
follow.  Actually I was fortunate to drop out; I just bought a copy  
of the A*200/4 macro today from a private seller in Germany for 450  
Euros - the deal of the year for me, I think!


Regards, Jim

Re: PESO - Art Under the Freeway

[frank theriault]

On 12/12/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Under the Interstate 80 Freeway in Emeryville, CA, there are a series of
> about 10 metal sculptures.  Here's a pic of one made with the KM and the
> K85/1.8 - just a "documentary" shot, although I like the free and light
> feeling this piece projects.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/28s.html
>
>
> Shel
> "You meet the nicest people with a Pentax"

It ~looks~ like it's painted on a wall, but there's this weird "3D"
look to it (so I guess it really is a metal sculpture).

Cool shot, Shel!

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PAW PESO - April Drinks a Beer

[Gonz]

I brew beer, and thats the story I've read about in the brew books.  But 
, there is one additional piece of data: prohibition.  Prohibition 
killed off all the original unique breweries the US used to have. 
Brewed beer more like you get from Europe.  The big breweries survived 
by selling barley off to other clients.  The small breweries died.  Then 
WWII came and the nature of beer changed once the big breweries came 
online again and their market, women, demanded lighter beer.




Bob Sullivan wrote:

Graywolf,
This sounds like an urban legend to me.
Taste is a very powerful memory and difficult to change.
Pabst Blue Ribbon tried to do change tastes in the '50's.
It worked out like New Coke - disaster.
My dad switched and never came back,
They changed back to the old formulation in about 5 years.
It was to late and the company died.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/10/05, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I guess I have not told the story of american beer in a while.

Back before WWII the factory guys used to stop in the bars afterwork for
a few beers while waiting for the streetcar. Everyone remembers
streetcars, right ?

Then during WWII while the guys were all off getting their arse shot
off, the girls took over the factory jobs. They figured they should get
to drink a few beers just like the guys use to, only they did not
actually like the taste of beer. Miller came up with the idea of making
a beer that did not have that nasty beer taste for the girls to indulge
in after work. Thus Miller High Life was born. The other breweries
slowly followed suit, especially after they realized how much cheaper
beer was to make when you cut it in half with water, and left out most
of the expensive hops. The funny thing, to me, is that Miller's is still
about the same as they made it back in WWII, but most of the others are
even worse now.

99% of the time I drink imports. However, in this age of micro-breweries
you can get decent american beer. Not all of the micro-brewed stuff is
decent, not even most of it, but some definately is.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



Don Williams wrote:



You can get decent beer in the US; Amstel and Carlsberg are available
in New York and San Francisco -- and hundreds of other places I've
never visited, I guess.

I once drank a bottle of Miller's in Ballston Lake, or Saratoga
Springs I can't be sure. It was atrocious. Why is beer making so
difficult? Or do they make it right and then bugger it up before
bottling?

Don W

Paul Stenquist wrote:



Coors was very popular among east coast and midwest auto racers,
particularly drag racers, during the sixties. It wasn't available
east of the Rockies, so it was essentially an "import." In those days
the fastest dragsters were all from California, and the California
racers used empty Coors cans to cover their eight exhaust pipes went
the car was shut off. Their eastern counterparts wanted everything
the fast guys had of course, so getting a set of Coors cans was a
major achievement. Some apparently took the leap of logic that if the
cans were good for covering your pipes, the beer must be good for
pouring down your personal pipe. So guys driving back from the west
coast used to pack as much Coors as they could into their trucks. I
guess for folks who grew up drinking Bud, Miller and Strohs, it
probably tasted okay. Like most other beers, I would guess it's not
the same brew today that it was forty years ago. I can't remember
ever trying it.
Paul
On Dec 10, 2005, at 6:26 AM, graywolf wrote:



An allegedly alcoholic beverage brewed by a neo-Nazi company in
Colorado. The main virtue of it was it was 3.2% beer and thus
legally buyable by use underage GI's back in the early 60's.
Definitely not for anyone who likes the taste of beer. AKA cow piss.

As you probably can tell I did not like the man, the company, nor
the beer.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



Boris Liberman wrote:



Hi!



Here's a pic of little April enjoying a Coors. I'm wondering which
rendition you prefer, and why.  If you've the time and
inclination, I'd
appreciate any comments.  Thanks!

http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/april-2up.html




What Coors is, please?

I prefer the right one... I generally tend to tone my b/w stuff to
warm sepia tones... Feeling warm towards the child can only enhance
the photo.

Boris

Re: Time Magazines Best Photos of the Year 2005

[Cotty]

On 12/12/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

> There are some outstanding individual examples, but as a set, they
>do not live up to the title they bare given Time.

Utter gibberish, sorry.

Should be: 'do not live up to the title they are given by Time.'



Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT: For Roberts, Brewer and others who ride on two wheels

[Cotty]

On 12/12/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The best bits about that are:
>1. it's a VW
>2. it costs £800,000 to buy but £5,000,000 to make..

Who's a little old Top gear watcher then ;-)




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Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[Christian]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: PESO - not a skimmer



A very different picture than your skimmer.
As many before me has said, the reflection is what makes it more than just
another bird photo. Well done.


Thanks, Tim.

Christian


http://photography.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?pos=-42
you can click it to make the image slightly larger.

Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[Christian]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> C> http://photography.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?pos=-42
> C> you can click it to make the image slightly larger.


Cute little feller.

I echo Bruce's comments.  Nice one!


Thanks, Frank.

Christian

Re: Who's Not Using Digital

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How rapidly is "too rapidly"?  I got an FA 17-28
> fisheye zoom in July, and it is still my
> second-most-used lens.

Anything online?

Ralf

-- 
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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses

Re: Santa Dropped by my house last night

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

On 2005-12-12, at 21:12, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Pentax does not make a power grip for the DS, DL or DS2 bodies. The  
connections required, like with the D body,  do not exist on these  
bodies. A Korean firm is making a battery holder/grip accessory but  
I have yet to hear of anyone successfully obtaining one.

It is easily available here in Europe :-) Look here:
http://www.tekade.de/Angebot/_angebot.html?0+k01-09

Cheers
Sylwek

Re: PESO - Art Under the Freeway

[keith_w]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Under the Interstate 80 Freeway in Emeryville, CA, there are a series of
about 10 metal sculptures.  Here's a pic of one made with the KM and the
K85/1.8 - just a "documentary" shot, although I like the free and light
feeling this piece projects.

http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/28s.html


Shel 
"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 


I like it!
However, it looks like it was just painted on a wall!
Doesn't look like a metal sculpture at all!

keith

PESO - Art Under the Freeway

[Shel Belinkoff]

Under the Interstate 80 Freeway in Emeryville, CA, there are a series of
about 10 metal sculptures.  Here's a pic of one made with the KM and the
K85/1.8 - just a "documentary" shot, although I like the free and light
feeling this piece projects.

http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/28s.html


Shel 
"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 

Re: OT: Do you guys think this is legit? or BS?

[mike wilson]

Ann Sanfedele wrote:


I haven't looked at his site yet - should I be
leary of it? anyone
know anything about it?

This is the email I got this morning - would be
great if it is real and safe

Anyone know anything at all about this or what
precautions I should take
with it? 


Thanks much - and sorry I haven't been peso and
paw commenting for a bit
I've just finished finally the work on the
engagement calendar 


ann
__



It's fairly upfront about charging you $340 per year.

mike

RE: PESO - not a skimmer

[Tim Øsleby]

A very different picture than your skimmer. 
As many before me has said, the reflection is what makes it more than just
another bird photo. Well done. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12. desember 2005 17:32
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: PESO - not a skimmer
> 
> Instead it's a little Dunlin; a type of sandpiper.  Shot up the coast from
> Cape May near Stone Harbor, New Jersey.
> 
> http://photography.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?pos=-42
> you can click it to make the image slightly larger.
> 
> Rainy, windy,  nasty afternoon.
> 
> comments always appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Christian
> 

Re: Santa Dropped by my house last night

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Pentax does not make a power grip for the DS, DL or DS2 bodies. The  
connections required, like with the D body,  do not exist on these  
bodies. A Korean firm is making a battery holder/grip accessory but I  
have yet to hear of anyone successfully obtaining one.


Godfrey

On Dec 12, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Sandra Moore wrote:



Santa came by last night and asked me if they had a power grip for  
the *ist ds.  I told him i didn't know but I would look into it.   
While he was there he dropped off an ipod shuffle, a stand for the  
ipod, two gift cards for the ipod, speakers for the ipod and my  
favorite a Sekonic light meter.  It is the Sekonic Auto-Leader  
model l-188.  I think i am going to have a lot of fun with it.   
Hopefully it will make the pictures of Sami a bit better.


Hope Santa is as nice to you as he was to me already this year.

Re: OT: For Roberts, Brewer and others who ride on two wheels

[mike wilson]

Cotty wrote:

On 12/12/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:



http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/


0,,0-5-470118-1-486076-1-0-0-0-0-0-36-479389-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html

I know that concept vehicles push the envelope, go to the limits, are
supposed to be outrageous, fantastic, etc, etc.

But this is truly ridiculous...  



How about this...a Bugatti VeyronUK motoring journo Jeremy Clarkson
tested one on the BBC's Top Gear prog recently and wouldn't shut up
about it. 16 cyl, 1000 BHP, restricted to 248mphit's a thing of beauty:



  (scroll down)



The best bits about that are:
1. it's a VW
2. it costs £800,000 to buy but £5,000,000 to make..

Now _that's_ ridiculous!

Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[frank theriault]

On 12/12/05, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > Very nice - this works much better for me than the skimmer.  Great
> > isolation and the reflection is very cool.  Great work in that kind of
> > weather!
>
> Thanks, Bruce!
>
> Christian
>
> > C> http://photography.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?pos=-42
> > C> you can click it to make the image slightly larger.

Cute little feller.

I echo Bruce's comments.  Nice one!

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Who's Not Using Digital

[Rick Womer]

How rapidly is "too rapidly"?  I got an FA 17-28
fisheye zoom in July, and it is still my
second-most-used lens.

Rick

--- "Ralf R. Radermacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > And, for a slightly different perspective, the
> Pentax 10-17mm fisheye:
> 
> In my experience, the effect of a fisheye lens wears
> off much too
> rapidly to justify the expense.
> 
> Ralf
> 
> -- 
> Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  Köln/Cologne,
> Germany
> private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
> manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan.
> 10, 2005
> Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
> 
> 


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Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[Christian]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




Very nice - this works much better for me than the skimmer.  Great
isolation and the reflection is very cool.  Great work in that kind of
weather!


Thanks, Bruce!

Christian


C> http://photography.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?pos=-42
C> you can click it to make the image slightly larger.

Re: PESO - not a skimmer

[Christian]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




So it's a Joisey bird!


with the accent and everything! :-)



I like it, especially with the inclusion of the reflection in the sand, 
that raises it to another level.
Only wish would be for a more spectular light, but hey that'll be the next 
time.


Thanks Ken.  I actually exercised a seldom used skill of mine - "patience" 
:-)  I waited for the waves to go out leaving just enough sheen in the sand 
for the reflection, while at the same time, waiting for a bird to get into 
the right position.


Christian


-Original Message-
From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://photography.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?pos=-42
you can click it to make the image slightly larger.