Re: Re: More Kennyboy quotes

2006-03-15 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/03/15 Wed AM 03:39:28 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: More Kennyboy quotes
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Paul Stenquist
 Subject: Re: More Kennyboy quotes
 
 
  As a matter of fact, Mitsubishi is squandering their resources making cars 
  :-).
 
 I suspect they are squandering resources trying to market them in NA. The 
 seem well recieved elsewhere.
 

People seem to enjoy driving the WRC cars around on the roads here.  At least, 
they _look_ like WRC cars.  Sound like them, too...


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Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Cotty


Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 A 31mm Ltd fell into my lap for a few weeks, and the lens hood is a POS.

We agree on that!

I wish it could be removed.   It makes the cap wonky to take on and off 
and really makes the camera huge.   I'd rather have no hood at all- any 
way to lose it all together?

I could remove it :-)



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RE: More Kennyboy quotes

2006-03-15 Thread Jostein
Quoting Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I often thought, that copy machines may very well be the reason Canan got
 the resources to delvelop great cameras.

The same didn't help Minolta much, though.

 Pentax perhaps does the same by making endocopes and industrial lenses...

I believe the photographic division of Pentax makes up a vastly much larger
percentage of the company as a whole, compared to Canon.

Jostein


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Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I was about to suggest that.  However, those hoods have become hard to find
- at least for me - can't find 'em here in the US and the connection I had
in the UK no longer lists them.  Do you have a source?

BTW, until I found a better hood than the stock one for my 50/summicron, I
did just what Joe has suggested.  I ended up with some Heliopan hoods, and
they worked great.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Rob Studdert 

 On 14 Mar 2006 at 21:25, Joseph Tainter wrote:

  I wish there  was a solution to fitting it onto my FA 31, 
  but of course that  shade is in the way. I suppose I 
  could knock the glass out of 5  or 6 58 mm filtes, 
  then screw them one on top of the other until 
  I clear that shade, then attach the step-up ring and
   the 67 mm. filter. Can anyone think if another way?

 Yes, just buy a short Heliopan hood, they are threaded
  top and bottom like a  neat stack of filters with the 
 glass punched out :-)




RE: More Kennyboy quotes

2006-03-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Filter Test

Shel





Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread David Savage
I must be one of the few who don't have a problem with it.

Dave

On 3/15/06, Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Shel Belinkoff wrote:
  A 31mm Ltd fell into my lap for a few weeks, and the lens hood is a POS.

 We agree on that!

 I wish it could be removed.   It makes the cap wonky to take on and off
 and really makes the camera huge.   I'd rather have no hood at all- any
 way to lose it all together?

 -Ryan





Re: RE: More Kennyboy quotes

2006-03-15 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/03/15 Wed AM 09:10:00 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: RE: More Kennyboy quotes
 
 Filter Test
 
 Shel
 

Mark!


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Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread David Savage
Why is it worse on digital than on film?

The flare is in the central part of the frame when using it on a film
camera, as apposed to the edges on digital?

If that is the case it must be total crap when used on a film camera.

Dave

On 3/15/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That's about it. It also makes a decent lens hood.

 The fixed, built in hood was one of the things I really didn't like
 about the FA31. While it's likely adequate for film cameras, it is
 too little hood for the DSLRs and shows up with flare at the edges
 when shooting in low light which have hot spots near the edges of the
 frame ... something that an f/1.8 lens should be ideal for.

 Godfrey

 On Mar 14, 2006, at 8:25 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

  Well, I just bought a Hoya RM 72 IR filter in 67 mm. size. I'd like
  to use it on other lenses with step-up rings. I wish there was a
  solution to fitting it onto my FA 31, but of course that shade is
  in the way. I suppose I could knock the glass out of 5 or 6 58 mm
  filtes, then screw them one on top of the other until I clear that
  shade, then attach the step-up ring and the 67 mm. filter. Can
  anyone think if another way?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Joe
 





Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread David Savage
Never mind. I think I must have fallen asleep while typing that.

Dave

On 3/15/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Why is it worse on digital than on film?

 The flare is in the central part of the frame when using it on a film
 camera, as apposed to the edges on digital?

 If that is the case it must be total crap when used on a film camera.

 Dave

 On 3/15/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  That's about it. It also makes a decent lens hood.
 
  The fixed, built in hood was one of the things I really didn't like
  about the FA31. While it's likely adequate for film cameras, it is
  too little hood for the DSLRs and shows up with flare at the edges
  when shooting in low light which have hot spots near the edges of the
  frame ... something that an f/1.8 lens should be ideal for.
 
  Godfrey
 
  On Mar 14, 2006, at 8:25 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:
 
   Well, I just bought a Hoya RM 72 IR filter in 67 mm. size. I'd like
   to use it on other lenses with step-up rings. I wish there was a
   solution to fitting it onto my FA 31, but of course that shade is
   in the way. I suppose I could knock the glass out of 5 or 6 58 mm
   filtes, then screw them one on top of the other until I clear that
   shade, then attach the step-up ring and the 67 mm. filter. Can
   anyone think if another way?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Joe
  
 
 




Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
I was able to find a US supplier of similar hoods on ebay. Try 
searching for metal lens hood.

On Mar 15, 2006, at 4:02 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I was about to suggest that.  However, those hoods have become hard to 
find
- at least for me - can't find 'em here in the US and the connection I 
had

in the UK no longer lists them.  Do you have a source?

BTW, until I found a better hood than the stock one for my 
50/summicron, I
did just what Joe has suggested.  I ended up with some Heliopan hoods, 
and

they worked great.

Shel




[Original Message]
From: Rob Studdert



On 14 Mar 2006 at 21:25, Joseph Tainter wrote:


I wish there  was a solution to fitting it onto my FA 31,
but of course that  shade is in the way. I suppose I
could knock the glass out of 5  or 6 58 mm filtes,
then screw them one on top of the other until
I clear that shade, then attach the step-up ring and
 the 67 mm. filter. Can anyone think if another way?


Yes, just buy a short Heliopan hood, they are threaded
 top and bottom like a  neat stack of filters with the
glass punched out :-)







Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Rob Studdert
On 15 Mar 2006 at 17:22, David Savage wrote:

 Why is it worse on digital than on film?
 
 The flare is in the central part of the frame when using it on a film
 camera, as apposed to the edges on digital?
 
 If that is the case it must be total crap when used on a film camera.

It's a case of being aware of what's in the frame causing flare. I don't have 
to much difficulty with the 31LTD but I have some real problems in this regard 
when using my A15/3.5 on the *ist D. On the film cameras it was much easy to 
keep flare sources out of the frame as you saw them encroaching at the edge of 
the frame.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread David Savage
On 3/15/06, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's a case of being aware of what's in the frame causing flare. I don't have
 to much difficulty with the 31LTD but I have some real problems in this regard
 when using my A15/3.5 on the *ist D. On the film cameras it was much easy to
 keep flare sources out of the frame as you saw them encroaching at the edge of
 the frame.


 Rob Studdert

Oh OK. Thanks Rob

Dave



Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote:

On 3/15/06, Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Shel Belinkoff wrote:
  A 31mm Ltd fell into my lap for a few weeks, and the lens hood is a POS.

 We agree on that!

 I wish it could be removed.   It makes the cap wonky to take on and off
 and really makes the camera huge.   I'd rather have no hood at all- any
 way to lose it all together?

I must be one of the few who don't have a problem with it.

I've never had a problem (other than wishing it could be removed so I
could use a Cokin holder and split ND filter). Never had flare issues
with this lens.
 



Re: OT - Adobe Lightroom

2006-03-15 Thread Thibouille
Let's say that any graphic card (except niche markets) you can buy at
this time will contain GPU. Any Geforce/Radeon has a programmable GPU.

On 3/14/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The key is that video cards can contain GPUs, but not all video cards
 do.

 Godfrey

 On Mar 14, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  Sounds like the same thing as a video card, which has a dedicated
  processor
  for graphics.
 
  Shel
 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Sylwester Pietrzyk
 
 
  Shel Belinkoff wrote on 14.03.06 15:23:
 
  Is that the same thing as a video card, or something different?
 
  No, it's a dedicated processor unit on graphics card that an do a
  certain
  3d
  graphics operations lightening from this work main processor - CPU.
 
 




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Re: MP vs MB

2006-03-15 Thread E.R.N. Reed

Jack Davis wrote:


You must have missed my original post wherein I related having taken a
few shots with a borrowed DL. I posed a question about jpg file size
which led to A respondent suggesting I check out some RAW. Planning to
do so this weekend using some of my own glass.
 



Yes, apparently missed it (as I said, it got a little convoluted.)
There's a cheap (not in time, but in money -- actually, free) option then.
There are some nice Adobe white papers and tutorials available on the 
Adobe site regarding Raw workflow, and Bruce Fraser is the author or 
co-author of some of those white papers.

Take a look here --
http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/ps_pro_primers.html

Jack 


--- E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 


Jack Davis wrote:

   


If I do (wife lets me) go for the 10mp..or?, I'll definitely obtain
 


the
   


suggested book.


 


I'm losing track of the whole story here. Do you already have a
camera 
capable of recording Raw?

If so, why wait before buying the book?

If not, never mind ...

ERNR



   




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OT A380 in seven minutes

2006-03-15 Thread mike wilson
Build yourself the biggest plane in the world in seven minutes.

You'll probably need a fast connection for this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3046542226114078023

That's a huge torque wrench they are using


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Re: MP vs MB

2006-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks! The link is now archived.

Jack

--- E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 You must have missed my original post wherein I related having taken
 a
 few shots with a borrowed DL. I posed a question about jpg file size
 which led to A respondent suggesting I check out some RAW. Planning
 to
 do so this weekend using some of my own glass.
   
 
 
 Yes, apparently missed it (as I said, it got a little convoluted.)
 There's a cheap (not in time, but in money -- actually, free) option
 then.
 There are some nice Adobe white papers and tutorials available on the
 
 Adobe site regarding Raw workflow, and Bruce Fraser is the author or 
 co-author of some of those white papers.
 Take a look here --
 http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/ps_pro_primers.html
 
 Jack 
 
 --- E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
 
 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 
 
 If I do (wife lets me) go for the 10mp..or?, I'll definitely
 obtain
   
 
 the
 
 
 suggested book.
  
 
   
 
 I'm losing track of the whole story here. Do you already have a
 camera 
 capable of recording Raw?
 If so, why wait before buying the book?
 
 If not, never mind ...
 
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Re: OT A380 in seven minutes

2006-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
I get a black rectangle over a Google screen.(?)
Have broadband cable connection. Did I not wait long enough?

Jack

--- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Build yourself the biggest plane in the world in seven minutes.
 
 You'll probably need a fast connection for this.
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3046542226114078023
 
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Re: More Kennyboy quotes

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
On 3/14/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 I suspect they are squandering resources trying to market them in NA. The
 seem well recieved elsewhere.


I once owned a Dodge Colt.

Need I say more?

cheers,
frank


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Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The fixed hood is not efficiently sized for the 16x24mm format,  
that's why. A 31mm lens should have a hood about 1-1.25 inches in  
depth at this diameter.


Godfrey

On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:22 AM, David Savage wrote:


Why is it worse on digital than on film?

The flare is in the central part of the frame when using it on a film
camera, as apposed to the edges on digital?

If that is the case it must be total crap when used on a film camera.

Dave

On 3/15/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's about it. It also makes a decent lens hood.

The fixed, built in hood was one of the things I really didn't like
about the FA31. While it's likely adequate for film cameras, it is
too little hood for the DSLRs and shows up with flare at the edges
when shooting in low light which have hot spots near the edges of the
frame ... something that an f/1.8 lens should be ideal for.

Godfrey

On Mar 14, 2006, at 8:25 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:


Well, I just bought a Hoya RM 72 IR filter in 67 mm. size. I'd like
to use it on other lenses with step-up rings. I wish there was a
solution to fitting it onto my FA 31, but of course that shade is
in the way. I suppose I could knock the glass out of 5 or 6 58 mm
filtes, then screw them one on top of the other until I clear that
shade, then attach the step-up ring and the 67 mm. filter. Can
anyone think if another way?

Thanks,

Joe










Re: Re: OT A380 in seven minutes

2006-03-15 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/03/15 Wed PM 02:30:46 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT A380 in seven minutes
 
 I get a black rectangle over a Google screen.(?)
 Have broadband cable connection. Did I not wait long enough?
 
 Jack

Probably.  Sometimes thay can take a few minutes to start, depending on load 
and local conditions.

 
 --- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Build yourself the biggest plane in the world in seven minutes.
  
  You'll probably need a fast connection for this.
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3046542226114078023
  
  That's a huge torque wrench they are using
  
  
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Re: OT A380 in seven minutes

2006-03-15 Thread Christian

mike wilson wrote:

Build yourself the biggest plane in the world in seven minutes.

You'll probably need a fast connection for this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3046542226114078023

That's a huge torque wrench they are using


Pretty neat stuff.  Still, I dread going through immigration and customs 
in Sydney when 3 or 4 of those monsters land at the same time



--

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PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.

I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus a
bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough. 
Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,
but not one of my worst, either:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg

I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for commenting.

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread pnstenquist
I like the composition, and in a web size the shot appears to be relatively 
sharp. My biggest nit is the burned out highlight on his hand and jacket. A 
stop less exposure overall would solve this and make the shot more dramatic 
IMO. You might try scanning the negative and see if there's enough detail in 
that area to pull it out.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
 excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.
 
 I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
 1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus a
 bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough. 
 Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,
 but not one of my worst, either:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg
 
 I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
 deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for commenting.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
 



Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread Adam Maas

frank theriault wrote:

I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.

I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus a
bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough. 
Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,

but not one of my worst, either:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg

I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for commenting.

cheers,
frank

--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson


I'd say the technical issues are overcome by the image, which is 
excellent. Of course, concert photography is often a wee bit soft, so 
the issues are to be expected.


-Adam



Re: OT Need to determine hat type for the GFMers

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
On 3/14/06, Dave Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To the PDMLer's attending GFM this June.

 Logo is just about set up. One last tweak and inspection by one of our
 Sr Units.g

 Do you prefer a hat that has a sloped or contoured  front like the link 
 below, or

 http://www.barryskopitsales.com/LineNames.htm?CD=7172ID=66442

 A more solid, stand up front like the link below.(my preference)

 http://www.reignwear.ca/LineNames.htm?CD=7180ID=66514

 These are just sample to show type, not actual style.

 I'm looking at 3 dozen to make, and I can mix and match I'm sure.

 Any preferred colour. I was thinking a light grey. Logo will have black, red 
 and GFM blue.

 I have a ball parkgcost per hat, so its doable as far as i'm concerned at 
 this end. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me off list.

 Dave
 Brooks

Do they make berets?  I'd like a basque beret...

But, if we must look like one of those rapper or hip-hop guys rather
than a jazz guy, I don't really have a preference.  They both look
great to me.

If we can do a beret, I'd say navy blue or black, but if we're doing
the trucker hat, I don't have a colour preference.  I'll just adjust
my vast wardrobe to match the hat.  LOL

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread David Savage
It's a good shot.

My only comment is the scan probably isn't doing the print justice.

Dave

On 3/15/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
 excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.

 I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
 1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus a
 bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough.
 Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,
 but not one of my worst, either:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg

 I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
 deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for commenting.

 cheers,
 frank

 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson





Re: Really Really OT: Hooray, finally, balanced film to digital comparison

2006-03-15 Thread Christian

E.R.N. Reed wrote:

Christian wrote:


http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d200/d200-vs-4x5.htm

Needless to add...this is highly :)



At the risk of being flamed  He DOES have some nice pictures there...


I agree with you.
Wonder whose they are?



HAR!

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Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/03/15 Wed PM 03:08:01 GMT
 To: PDML pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO - Cool Jazz
 
 I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
 excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.
 
 I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
 1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus a
 bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough. 
 Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,
 but not one of my worst, either:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg
 
 I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
 deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for commenting.
 
 cheers,
 frank

Assuming the print is not quite so blown out on his right hand, yes.


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Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
I don't think I'd have noticed the softness in this image. I feel it
may add to the mood. I like it, for whatever reason.
An LX shutter would have probably interrupted the music. ;-)

Jack

--- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
 excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.
 
 I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
 1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus
 a
 bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough.
 
 Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,
 but not one of my worst, either:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg
 
 I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
 deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for
 commenting.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
 
 


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Re: OT A380 in seven minutes

2006-03-15 Thread cbwaters

I have one for in/ft and lb/ft...that one must be for Ton/ft

CW

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Re: OT Need to determine hat type for the GFMers

2006-03-15 Thread cbwaters

clip-on ears eh?

Style #1 fo' shizzle.

CW
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From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: OT Need to determine hat type for the GFMers



On 3/14/06, Dave Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To the PDMLer's attending GFM this June.

Logo is just about set up. One last tweak and inspection by one of our
Sr Units.g

Do you prefer a hat that has a sloped or contoured  front like the link 
below, or


http://www.barryskopitsales.com/LineNames.htm?CD=7172ID=66442

A more solid, stand up front like the link below.(my preference)

http://www.reignwear.ca/LineNames.htm?CD=7180ID=66514

These are just sample to show type, not actual style.

I'm looking at 3 dozen to make, and I can mix and match I'm sure.

Any preferred colour. I was thinking a light grey. Logo will have black, 
red and GFM blue.


I have a ball parkgcost per hat, so its doable as far as i'm concerned 
at this end. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me off list.


Dave
Brooks


Do they make berets?  I'd like a basque beret...

But, if we must look like one of those rapper or hip-hop guys rather
than a jazz guy, I don't really have a preference.  They both look
great to me.

If we can do a beret, I'd say navy blue or black, but if we're doing
the trucker hat, I don't have a colour preference.  I'll just adjust
my vast wardrobe to match the hat.  LOL

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
On 3/15/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't think I'd have noticed the softness in this image. I feel it
 may add to the mood. I like it, for whatever reason.
 An LX shutter would have probably interrupted the music. ;-)


Ker-Chunk!!

LOL

Thanks, Jack, and everyone else who's commented so far.

Yes, the blown out hand is problematic, and the print is not as bad as
the scan.  I tried toning it down a bit, I found that if I burned it
much more than it is now, it looked too grey and unnatural.  I'm sure
I could do a better job if I knew PS better, but as Shel once said, my
skills in PS are rather primitive (or did he say naive, or maybe both
LOL).

Thanks all for your input.  The print will be at GFM for viewing and
comments.  vbg

--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: OT Need to determine hat type for the GFMers

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
On 3/15/06, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 clip-on ears eh?

That rocks...



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Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Lots of technical issues, but a moody and interesting photography  
nonetheless.


There is some data in the blown out hand, so a *little* bit of  
recovery is possible there. The blacks are a little soft, they should  
be deeper. Not a lot to work with but some gentle shaping with dodge  
and burn would help, or a better scan.


I mucked with it a little bit:
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/4221415-lgg.jpg

Godfrey

On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:08 AM, frank theriault wrote:


I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.

I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus a
bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough.
Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,
but not one of my worst, either:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg

I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for commenting.

cheers,
frank

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RE: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread Tim Øsleby
There's much to like here. Composition, the pose of my name brother, he is
supaah cool. I kind of like the burned out hand. It directs my eye to the
most important part of frame. There is no way to miss the trumpet. All this
makes the technical difficulties a non issue. 

There is one thing do I miss. Jazz music, not to say all music, is all about
communication. Communication with the listeners and communication _within_
the band. The guitar player don't seem to listen to the solo from the
trumpeter. He sits there doing his thing. If you are a jazz man Frank, and
I believe you are, you know what I mean. The communication may be there, but
it is not obvious to me as a viewer. 

Despite my nits: It _is_ an interesting and pretty cool photo.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 15. mars 2006 16:08
 To: PDML
 Subject: PESO - Cool Jazz
 
 I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
 excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.
 
 I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
 1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus a
 bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough.
 Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,
 but not one of my worst, either:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg
 
 I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
 deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for commenting.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
 






bad luck and enablement

2006-03-15 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
I asked a few questions about FA* 200/4 macro which was in stock in Poland a
few days ago. I went there today unfortunately in store it turned out to be
only A* 200/4 macro. As I wanted good performance at longer distances in
such a lens and A* users told me that it is not as good as FA* version so I
resigned. But in the same store I bought FA* 85/1.4 brand new at 70% of its
normal price in Europe ;-) So it wasn't that bad. But this A* 200/4 macro
was so beautiful that I will keep my eye on it and think seriously about
next enablement :-)

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



Re: OT A380 in seven minutes

2006-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

that's a big 'un. both the plane and the torque wrench.

I can only imagine the scene at heathrow immigration having two of  
those land at the same time.


G

On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:12 AM, mike wilson wrote:


Build yourself the biggest plane in the world in seven minutes.

You'll probably need a fast connection for this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3046542226114078023

That's a huge torque wrench they are using




Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 Lots of technical issues, but a moody and interesting photography
 nonetheless.
 
 There is some data in the blown out hand, so a *little* bit of
 recovery is possible there. The blacks are a little soft, they should
 be deeper. Not a lot to work with but some gentle shaping with dodge
 and burn would help, or a better scan.
 
 I mucked with it a little bit:
 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/4221415-lgg.jpg
 
 Godfrey
 

You mucked it up good :)

That worked well, Godfrey 
Frank - i like this one a lot, the trumpet player very
strong and the pattern
of all the hands.  What were they playing?  just curious.

ann



Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Mar 15, 2006, at 4:25 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:


I've never had a problem (other than wishing it could be removed so I
could use a Cokin holder and split ND filter). Never had flare issues
with this lens.


Here's the flare problem I found:

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/FA31-flare-0759.jpg

Not a great picture on several counts, but the flare is quite  
obvious. A deeper lens hood would likely solve it.


Godfrey



Re: bad luck and enablement

2006-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
I have no personal experience with the A* 200 macro, only the A* 100.
I've, however, read some good reviews.
Personally, I prefer to manually focus when doing macro work. It
tolerates my hyper-selective penchant to fuss with the scene without
fighting me.

Jack

--- Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I asked a few questions about FA* 200/4 macro which was in stock in
 Poland a
 few days ago. I went there today unfortunately in store it turned out
 to be
 only A* 200/4 macro. As I wanted good performance at longer
 distances in
 such a lens and A* users told me that it is not as good as FA*
 version so I
 resigned. But in the same store I bought FA* 85/1.4 brand new at 70%
 of its
 normal price in Europe ;-) So it wasn't that bad. But this A* 200/4
 macro
 was so beautiful that I will keep my eye on it and think seriously
 about
 next enablement :-)
 
 -- 
 Balance is the ultimate good...
 
 Best Regards
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Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Tom C
It's not really a flare issue with the lens though... the flare is a factor 
of the way it was used, right?  IOW, any lens will exhibit a degree of flare 
under the right circumstances.


In this case I would guess holding a hand up on the sunward side of the lens 
might have eliminated the flare, and of course a deeper lens hood (or maybe 
just totally circular) would have done the same.


Tom C.



From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:21:23 -0800


On Mar 15, 2006, at 4:25 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:


I've never had a problem (other than wishing it could be removed so I
could use a Cokin holder and split ND filter). Never had flare issues
with this lens.


Here's the flare problem I found:

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/FA31-flare-0759.jpg

Not a great picture on several counts, but the flare is quite  obvious. A 
deeper lens hood would likely solve it.


Godfrey






Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

I am starting to realize that most of my photography is very static. 
Here I've tried to be slightly less static...


http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495

Your honest and brutal feedback is as usual sought after and appreciated.

Boris



OT Testing my isp email program

2006-03-15 Thread brooksdj
Don't seem to be getting emails on my ISP email program, but i see them in the 
archives.

Dave





RE: Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
What street is that.  I want to look it up on my map of TA.

I like the shot, BTW.  It works nicely.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Boris Liberman 

 I am starting to realize that most of my photography is very static. 
 Here I've tried to be slightly less static...

 http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495




RE: watermarks

2006-03-15 Thread Jens Bladt
I already have a photoshop CS license.
I just think it's too much trouble. And iWatermarks can include logo's etc.
very easily.
Regards
Jens

Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. marts 2006 21:49
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: watermarks



On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 So tell me why it is valuable to pay $20 for a dedicated program
 to place a watermark on my JPEGs as opposed to creating an action
 in Photoshop to do it... ?

 Well, Photoshop costs what, $800?

 Sure, *I* have Photoshop.  Hell, I have three licenses.  But does
 everyone?

I'm certain not everyone does. But do Jens and Tim?

Godfrey

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RE: Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread Malcolm Smith
Boris Liberman wrote:

 http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495

Love it. I can imagine this on my wall.

Malcolm 




RE: Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread Tim Øsleby
Dynamic ;-)

Seriously. You have turned a static scene into something dynamic. At first
glance I saw that as a contradiction. After a moment of reflection I
realised it opens for a lot of interpretations. May I suggest a new title,
City life? Kind of cliché, but that’s what I see underneath the surface.

Life is a cliché, isn't it?


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 15. mars 2006 18:52
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Tel Aviv
 
 Hi!
 
 I am starting to realize that most of my photography is very static.
 Here I've tried to be slightly less static...
 
 http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495
 
 Your honest and brutal feedback is as usual sought after and appreciated.
 
 Boris
 






Re: Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
Get yourself a good tripod. LOL

Jack

--- Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi!
 
 I am starting to realize that most of my photography is very static. 
 Here I've tried to be slightly less static...
 
 http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495
 
 Your honest and brutal feedback is as usual sought after and
 appreciated.
 
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Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Mar 15, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Tom C wrote:


http://homepage.mac.com/godders/FA31-flare-0759.jpg


It's not really a flare issue with the lens though... the flare is  
a factor of the way it was used, right?  IOW, any lens will exhibit  
a degree of flare under the right circumstances.


Of course. All I'm saying is that the fixed lens hood is not very  
effective for a 16x24mm format DSLR, and the design of the lens makes  
it difficult to change to an effective one.


In this case I would guess holding a hand up on the sunward side of  
the lens might have eliminated the flare, and of course a deeper  
lens hood (or maybe just totally circular) would have done the same.


It's a street lamp causing the flare in this circumstance, out of the  
field of view captured on the sensor but inside the field of view of  
the lens with stubby lens hood flanges. It wasn't particularly  
obvious in the viewfinder although it shows up quite visibly in the  
image file. Shading the lens with my hand, if I'd seen it was flaring  
like that, would have solved this particular problem. So would a  
deeper, full circle lens hood.


The Kalt 1 deep metal lens hoods that I use on other lenses in this  
focal length range won't fit the FA31 due to the fixed hood being in  
the way.


Godfrey



Re: Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Mar 15, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495

Your honest and brutal feedback is as usual sought after and  
appreciated.


No need to be brutal. It works as an interesting graphic image, but  
I'm not sure if it solves the issue you had in mind. Making photos  
that have a more dynamic quality doesn't necessarily mean producing a  
graphic effect with camera movement.


Godfrey



Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
On 3/15/06, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You mucked it up good :)

 That worked well, Godfrey
 Frank - i like this one a lot, the trumpet player very
 strong and the pattern
 of all the hands.  What were they playing?  just curious.


I like Godfrey's mucking too, Ann.  Thanks, Godders!!

I don't remember exactly what they were playing when I took this
photo, Ann, but Tim and the boys play a mostly standards, in that
mid-60's Miles Davis freebop style.  They're not innovative, but they
play great jazz, and they play it well.

Thanks for your kind comments (and thanks to everyone else, too).

cheers,
frank


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Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Does the Kalt flare at all?  What the 31mm needs is a hood like the
Heliopan that doesn't flare.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi

 The Kalt 1 deep metal lens hoods that I use on other lenses in this  
 focal length range won't fit the FA31 due to the fixed hood being in  
 the way.




PESO: Rue Bordelais

2006-03-15 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
A charming little street in Liège with just a hint of a gradient and a
wonderful view on the scenic valley of the river Meuse, basked in the
beautyful light of the sunset on a cold winter day.

http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1323943

Ralf

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Re: Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread pnstenquist
I like the image. It's pretty and well balanced. However, this technique has 
been used a lot, and, in my opinion, the results don't vary enough to warrant 
more and more executions of this type. 
 -- Original message --
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Hi!
 
 I am starting to realize that most of my photography is very static. 
 Here I've tried to be slightly less static...
 
 http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495
 
 Your honest and brutal feedback is as usual sought after and appreciated.
 
 Boris
 



Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
sigh  What I meant is does the shape of the Kalt flare, or is it
straight, like the Heliopan?

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Shel Belinkoff 

 Does the Kalt flare at all?  What the 31mm needs is a hood like the
 Heliopan that doesn't flare.

 Shel



  [Original Message]
  From: Godfrey DiGiorgi

  The Kalt 1 deep metal lens hoods that I use on other lenses in this  
  focal length range won't fit the FA31 due to the fixed hood being in  
  the way.





Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:



On Mar 15, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Tom C wrote:


http://homepage.mac.com/godders/FA31-flare-0759.jpg


It's not really a flare issue with the lens though... the flare is a factor 
of the way it was used, right?  IOW, any lens will exhibit a degree of 
flare under the right circumstances.


Ah, the joys of Canonware :-P

although it shows up quite visibly in the image file. Shading the lens with 
my hand, if I'd seen it was flaring like that, would have solved this 
particular problem.


This is on the right-hand side, where the shutter release also is. 
Timer? Remote release?


The Kalt 1 deep metal lens hoods that I use on other lenses in this focal 
length range won't fit the FA31 due to the fixed hood being in the way.


I have the Soligor 100/2 which features a built-in hood. Even though 
retractable, it is still a pain (caps being the main problem). And 
it's short. Bad idea, if you ask me...


Kostas



Re: Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Yep, the technique is  trite, but it certainly warrants experimentation,
especially by someone who hasn't done it before.

I also agree with Godders about this not being the best way to instill some
dynamics into a photo.  I don't think dynamic necessarily means movement.
It can be emotional, or providing a sense of movement or tension.

Still, I like this example of a trite technique.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I like the image. It's pretty and well balanced. However, this technique
has been used a lot, and, in my opinion, the results don't vary enough to
warrant more and more executions of this type. 

  -- Original message --
 From: Boris Liberman 

 http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495




Re: Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
On 3/15/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!

 I am starting to realize that most of my photography is very static.
 Here I've tried to be slightly less static...

 http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495

 Your honest and brutal feedback is as usual sought after and appreciated.

I like it.  I must say, I usually exect smooth lines from these
sorts of time exposures.  At first the jiggly lines were a bit
off-putting, but the more I look the more I like.

Cool shot!!

cheers,
frank


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Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Mar 15, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:


Ah, the joys of Canonware :-P


What does Canon have to do with the design of the FA31? I have  
several Canon lenses and have not found any flare problems with the  
correct Canon hoods fitted, using them on the 10D.


although it shows up quite visibly in the image file. Shading the  
lens with my hand, if I'd seen it was flaring like that, would  
have solved this particular problem.


This is on the right-hand side, where the shutter release also is.  
Timer? Remote release?


Yes, it can be hard to do it...

The Kalt 1 deep metal lens hoods that I use on other lenses in  
this focal length range won't fit the FA31 due to the fixed hood  
being in the way.


I have the Soligor 100/2 which features a built-in hood. Even  
though retractable, it is still a pain (caps being the main  
problem). And it's short. Bad idea, if you ask me...


I fit a Nikon HN-7 hood to the FA135/2.8 IF because the built in hood  
is, to my mind, mostly useless (on the far left):

  http://homepage.mac.com/godders/lenshood-lineup-1845.jpg

Godfrey



Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The hood is a straight barrel but is stepped outwards from the filter  
attachment threads by about 4-5mm. The FA31 doesn't have the  
clearance for that.


Godfrey

On Mar 15, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Does the Kalt flare at all?  What the 31mm needs is a hood like the
Heliopan that doesn't flare. ...
What I meant is does the shape of the Kalt flare, or is it
straight, like the Heliopan?


The Kalt 1 deep metal lens hoods that I use on other lenses in this
focal length range won't fit the FA31 due to the fixed hood being in
the way.







Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread Rick Womer
Nice!  The harsh lighting works, and the guitar leads
the eye to the trumpeter.  His ear is in focus, it
appears; the softness of the nose-trumpet plane is too
subtle to matter, as long as you don't make this an
8x10!

Rick

--- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment
 (or am I making
 excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do
 it anyway.
 
 I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld
 about about
 1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I
 missed the focus a
 bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet
 player was tough. 
 Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not
 one of my best,
 but not one of my worst, either:
 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg
 
 I'd be interested in knowing if you think the
 obvious technical
 deficiencies are overcome by the image itself. 
 Thanks for commenting.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri
 Cartier-Bresson
 
 


http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW

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Re: PESO - Morning coffee

2006-03-15 Thread Lucas Rijnders
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:52:15 +0100, frank theriault  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On 3/14/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hmmm, how about Eric?


Are you refering, perchance, to Eric the Half a Bee?


Who must, ipso eo facto, half not be :o)


Who do you think you are, anyway, the Spanish Inquisition?

-frank, who's certainly not expecting the Spanish Inquisition...


That goes without saying. I just think it very irresponible of you to  
force people to exist before coffee...


--
Regards, Lucas (who berely...)



Re: Lens Hood 31mm Ltd

2006-03-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
That's what I figgered ... tks!

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 

 The hood is a straight barrel but is stepped outwards from the filter  
 attachment threads by about 4-5mm. The FA31 doesn't have the  
 clearance for that.

 Godfrey

  Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  Does the Kalt flare at all?  What the 31mm needs is a hood like the
  Heliopan that doesn't flare. ...
  What I meant is does the shape of the Kalt flare, or is it
  straight, like the Heliopan?




Re: PESO: Rue Bordelais

2006-03-15 Thread Jack Davis
Ralf,
Love the street, but the array of modern technology bearing down from
the background is a disturbing. At least that's the message I receive.
Well made point, if with tongue-in-cheek.

Jack

--- Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A charming little street in Liège with just a hint of a gradient and
 a
 wonderful view on the scenic valley of the river Meuse, basked in the
 beautyful light of the sunset on a cold winter day.
 
 http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1323943
 
 Ralf
 
 -- 
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 private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
 manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
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Re: PESO: Rue Bordelais

2006-03-15 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Love the street, but the array of modern technology bearing down from
 the background is a disturbing. 

This modern technology is Belgium's ailing steel industry. Most of what
you see there has been closed down, years ago.

Ralf

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Re: Rue Bordelais

2006-03-15 Thread cbwaters

Ralf,
Loving your post-industrial work.  Could be any number of cities in the 
Mid-western US...


CW

- Original Message - 
From: Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Pentax Mailingliste pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:31 PM
Subject: PESO: Rue Bordelais



A charming little street in Liège with just a hint of a gradient and a
wonderful view on the scenic valley of the river Meuse, basked in the
beautyful light of the sunset on a cold winter day.

http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1323943

Ralf

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Re: PESO: Slow

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
On 3/14/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was going to lay off the pesos for a while. I've posted quite a few
 in the last couple of weeks. But, darn, the list is slow. So here's an
 ode to slowness:
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4218507size=lg

I like the reflection - great symmetry.  Nice comp, interesting
subjects (maybe I just like turkles).  g

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread Scott Loveless
Woohoo!  Beautiful.  Lots of mood here, Frank.  As far as the
technical stuff goes, technical schmechnical.

On 3/15/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
 excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.

 I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
 1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus a
 bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough.
 Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,
 but not one of my worst, either:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg

 I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
 deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for commenting.

 cheers,
 frank

 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson




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Re: PAW - No Parking

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
On 3/14/06, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You have to know I would :)

 Great grab, Frank..

 Xo,
 ann

Thought of you when I saw it!  LOL

Thanks, Ann.

cheers,
frank


--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO: Rue Bordelais

2006-03-15 Thread pnstenquist
I find the fascinating. The background ugliness is in a mist and the attractive 
foreground structures are crisp and clear. A very complex, yet compelling 
image. Good work.
 Paul
 
 --- Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  A charming little street in Liège with just a hint of a gradient and
  a
  wonderful view on the scenic valley of the river Meuse, basked in the
  beautyful light of the sunset on a cold winter day.
  
  http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1323943
  
  Ralf
  
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Re: PESO: Rue Bordelais

2006-03-15 Thread wendy beard
On 3/15/06, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A charming little street in Liège with just a hint of a gradient and a
 wonderful view on the scenic valley of the river Meuse, basked in the
 beautyful light of the sunset on a cold winter day.

 http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1323943


You've captured the essence of Liege perfectly. Well done!

Wendy

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Ottawa
Canada



Re: Slow

2006-03-15 Thread Kenneth Waller

Nice capture, Paul.
If it were mine I'd clone out the stuff in the LLH  LRH corners.

Kenneth Waller


- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: PESO: Slow


I was going to lay off the pesos for a while. I've posted quite a few 
in the last couple of weeks. But, darn, the list is slow. So here's an 
ode to slowness:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4218507size=lg





Re: Slow

2006-03-15 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Ken. I took a look at the lower left and right corners, and I'm divided. 
I think the elements as they are tend to frame the image. But it might be 
better without them. Perhaps I'll try it and compare.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Nice capture, Paul.
 If it were mine I'd clone out the stuff in the LLH  LRH corners.
 
 Kenneth Waller
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: PESO: Slow
 
 
 I was going to lay off the pesos for a while. I've posted quite a few 
  in the last couple of weeks. But, darn, the list is slow. So here's an 
  ode to slowness:
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4218507size=lg
 
 



Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

2006-03-15 Thread Kenneth Waller

Knarf, I like the image  the title.

The image just exudes Cool Jazz

Well captured.

I might crop out the stuff on the wall in back of the guy on the left.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Subject: PESO - Cool Jazz



I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.

I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus a
bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough. 
Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,

but not one of my worst, either:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415size=lg

I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for commenting.

cheers,
frank

--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson





WTB - 18-55mm

2006-03-15 Thread Cotty
Hi,

Anyone have an 18-55mm zoom (the kind that comes with many an *ist DS)
for sale?




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT A380 in seven minutes

2006-03-15 Thread Kenneth Waller

I have one for in/ft 


That's a really interesting torque wrench!

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: OT A380 in seven minutes



I have one for in/ft and lb/ft...that one must be for Ton/ft

CW

- Original Message - 
From: mike wilson  

That's a huge torque wrench they are using







Re: bad luck and enablement

2006-03-15 Thread Kenneth Waller

Sylwek
Do you recall what they were asking for the A* 200 macro?
Was it also new?

Kenneth Waller
(who has an A* 200 Macro, but might know someone who wants one)

- Original Message - 
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: bad luck and enablement


I asked a few questions about FA* 200/4 macro which was in stock in Poland 
a
few days ago. I went there today unfortunately in store it turned out to 
be

only A* 200/4 macro. As I wanted good performance at longer distances in
such a lens and A* users told me that it is not as good as FA* version so 
I
resigned. But in the same store I bought FA* 85/1.4 brand new at 70% of 
its

normal price in Europe ;-) So it wasn't that bad. But this A* 200/4 macro
was so beautiful that I will keep my eye on it and think seriously about
next enablement :-)

--
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek





Re: Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread Kenneth Waller

Boris, I like it. Has a certain sophistication about it.
Nice to see you trying something different, we all should.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Tel Aviv



Hi!

I am starting to realize that most of my photography is very static. 
Here I've tried to be slightly less static...


http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495

Your honest and brutal feedback is as usual sought after and appreciated.

Boris





Re: Rue Bordelais

2006-03-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
Ralf, I really like what you've captured. I don't feel the top part adds to 
the image. If it were mine I'd crop out from the roof line on the right to 
the top.


Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: PESO: Rue Bordelais



A charming little street in Liège with just a hint of a gradient and a
wonderful view on the scenic valley of the river Meuse, basked in the
beautyful light of the sunset on a cold winter day.

http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1323943

Ralf

--
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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses





Re: OT A380 in seven minutes

2006-03-15 Thread Charles Robinson

On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:12, mike wilson wrote:


Build yourself the biggest plane in the world in seven minutes.

You'll probably need a fast connection for this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3046542226114078023



That was fun.

I missed the torque wrench, though!

 -Charles

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FS: pre-bay

2006-03-15 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl


Tokina SD 400/5.6, VGC condition.  A class.  Both caps.  Just one 
issue -- it's missing the focus grip.

Get one from Tokina or find a bad one to cannibalize.
$125 shipped (US).

MX with Winder.  Works great.  Winder has wire connected which could 
be attached to a switch for electronic firing.
(A practical solution would be to add a stereo sub-mini jack so that 
the same remove for the digitals could be used on this.)

No X sync.  FP works.  You can fix it yourself, use it as-is, or get a CLA.
$125 shipped. (US).

Extra overseas.


He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose
-- Jim Elliott



OT - Off List for a Bit

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
I've not been able to participate on the list as much as I'd like to,
of late.  Work's been just too busy.

This week is March break here in Ontario, so my ex asked if I could
take the kids for 1/2 the week.  They're arriving tonight, and I've
booked off the next two days at work.

It's very likely that I'll not be on the computer at home, so I'll be
back on Monday.  This will be fun, as I get to act the tourist with
the kids.  Should be lots of photo ops, which is a good thing, of
course!  g

later,
frank

--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO - Low Flying II

2006-03-15 Thread frank theriault
On 3/12/06, Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys,

 The stills camera isn't getting used alot at the moment, as I seem to be
 travelling from one BMX event to the next.  And when I'm there, I'm
 usually videoing her races and watching others in between.

 I did manage to get the *ist-DL out for a while on our recent trip to the
 state titles event at Canberra.  Here's one from the event:
 http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/57181674

 I'm concerned about using the *ist-DL at BMX, as it's typically extremely
 dusty.  This track, however, wasn't too bad: a couple of concrete corners,
 abundant use of water to keep the dust down, and an advantageous breeze
 meant I was prepared to try it.

 Ciao,


Great shot!!

cheers,
frank the bike guy


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Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



RE: WTB - 18-55mm

2006-03-15 Thread Tim Øsleby
On second though. I know what you're going to do with it :-(
Just joking. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 15. mars 2006 22:23
 To: pentax list
 Subject: WTB - 18-55mm
 
 Hi,
 
 Anyone have an 18-55mm zoom (the kind that comes with many an *ist DS)
 for sale?
 
 
 
 
 Cheers,
   Cotty
 
 
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Interesting EOL product listing

2006-03-15 Thread Rob Studdert
It's written in German

http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/news/index.php?photonewsgruppe=news_id=151

http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn

PS I haven't received any email from the list server for about 12 hours, my 
Gmail account still seems to be getting main though and all my other mail 
accounts are OK again, list burp I guess?


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: OT - Off List for a Bit

2006-03-15 Thread pnstenquist
From one dad to another, have a great time. And we'll be expecting a lot of 
great shots.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I've not been able to participate on the list as much as I'd like to,
 of late.  Work's been just too busy.
 
 This week is March break here in Ontario, so my ex asked if I could
 take the kids for 1/2 the week.  They're arriving tonight, and I've
 booked off the next two days at work.
 
 It's very likely that I'll not be on the computer at home, so I'll be
 back on Monday.  This will be fun, as I get to act the tourist with
 the kids.  Should be lots of photo ops, which is a good thing, of
 course!  g
 
 later,
 frank
 
 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
 



Re: Interesting EOL product listing

2006-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Been no problem with list traffic here.

G

On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

..PS I haven't received any email from the list server for about 12  
hours, my
Gmail account still seems to be getting main though and all my  
other mail

accounts are OK again, list burp I guess?




Re: WTB - 18-55mm

2006-03-15 Thread Juan Buhler
Going to Canonize it?

j

On 3/15/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 Anyone have an 18-55mm zoom (the kind that comes with many an *ist DS)
 for sale?




 Cheers,
   Cotty


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 ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
 _





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Re: Rue Bordelais

2006-03-15 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ralf, I really like what you've captured. I don't feel the top part adds to
 the image. If it were mine I'd crop out from the roof line on the right to
 the top.

Beg to differ. The steel mill in the background is at least as typical
for the place as the houses in the foreground. In fact, it's why I spend
most of my weekends in the area. 

Most of the industrial buildings will be gone in a few years and I'm
trying to capture whatever remains of the days when the mills and coal
mines were the main features of this place. The mines have long gone
almost without a trace and the mills are now cold and dead. Only one
blast furnace remains in operation and that will also be closed in 3
years. 

Nice little streets can be had all over Belgium. It's the mill in the
background that makes Rue Bordelais what it is. 

Ralf

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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses



Enablement: Optio A10

2006-03-15 Thread Bertil Holmberg
I expected it at the end of the month and was pleasantly surprised  
when it appeared yesterday.


Here's a photo to compare it to the original Optio S. This still  
looks and feels great but the image quality is inferior, of course.  
But it does have a real view finder!


http://web.telia.com/~u40938461/PinkyPentax/OptioA10OptioBacks.jpg

The A10 has a green button! This change the presets of the four arrow  
buttons so that for example the Mode button could lead to the White  
balance setting. These short cuts can be chosen by the user.


I wont pile other facts here that you can read from the specs so if  
you are interested in the A10 and have any questions I'll be happy to  
try and answer them.


A couple of poor pictures that try to illustrate the stabilizer  
feature. Shot in low light at f/2.8 and 1/10 sec exposure they also  
show the noise at ISO 200.


Detail with sharp lines: http://web.telia.com/~u40938461/PinkyPentax/ 
TavlorDel.jpg

Full image: http://web.telia.com/~u40938461/PinkyPentax/TavlorHel.jpg

Closeup of sign: http://web.telia.com/~u40938461/PinkyPentax/SkumDel.jpg
Full image: http://web.telia.com/~u40938461/PinkyPentax/SkumHel.jpg



Re: PESO: My Grand daughter

2006-03-15 Thread Pancho Hasselbach

Fernando Terrazzino schrieb:

Very nice Jens, it's that kind of photo that shares a moment/story
with the viewer. I also liked this one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/112596108/in/set-72057594082259138/

;-)

Fernando


I like this one very much, too. She's really pretty!
And a grand daughter qualifies you as an old fart, of course ;-)

Pancho



On 3/14/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Even though it's mostly for the family album, I like this shot of my grand
daughter Karla and my son in law Christian:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/112596018/in/set-72057594082259138/

Regards
Jens




Re: Re: OT A380 in seven minutes

2006-03-15 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/03/15 Wed PM 04:14:39 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT A380 in seven minutes
 
 I have one for in/ft and lb/ft...that one must be for Ton/ft
 
 CW

Or Newton/Kilometres 8-)))

 
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  That's a huge torque wrench they are using
  
 
 


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Pentax kills analog medium format

2006-03-15 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Here's a list of Pentax products which will disappear from the catalogue
this summer:

http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/news/index.php?photonewsgruppe=news_id
=151

Most notably the 645 and the 67.

Sic transit... :-(

Ralf

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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses



Re: WTB - 18-55mm

2006-03-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/3/06, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed:

Going to Canonize it?

Of course not. Canon make an 18-55 but I wouldn't personally consider
any such lens. It's for my wife to use on her *ist DS that we purchased
used from a listmember body-only. At the moment it has a 35-70 macro on
it that's little better than a Coke bottle.

I'm considering an EF 16-35 2.8L but can't afford it unless I sell some
other gear, or maybe some pics...more on that soon!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Pentax kills analog medium format

2006-03-15 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Most notably the 645 and the 67.

I've just re-read the announcement and, as I understand it, production
of the articles on the list has already ceased.

Ralf

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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses



Re: WTB - 18-55mm

2006-03-15 Thread Ryan Brooks



I'm considering an EF 16-35 2.8L but can't afford it unless I sell some
other gear, or maybe some pics...more on that soon!


 


Good news on Alamy?



Re: Pentax kills analog medium format

2006-03-15 Thread Tom C

It was coming... I bet sales were absolutely abysmal the last two years.

Tom C.







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf R. Radermacher)
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net (Pentax Mailingliste)
Subject: Re: Pentax kills analog medium format
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:38:14 +0100

Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Most notably the 645 and the 67.

I've just re-read the announcement and, as I understand it, production
of the articles on the list has already ceased.

Ralf

--
Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses






RE: Tel Aviv

2006-03-15 Thread Tom C

Nicely done abstract.  Looks like living room art from the 60's.


Tom C.







From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Tel Aviv
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:51:38 +0200

Hi!

I am starting to realize that most of my photography is very static. Here 
I've tried to be slightly less static...


http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495

Your honest and brutal feedback is as usual sought after and appreciated.

Boris






Re: WTB - 18-55mm

2006-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Huh? I have the F35-70/3.5-4.5 macro and find it to be a pretty good  
lens overall...


Godfrey

On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Cotty wrote:


At the moment it has a 35-70 macro on
it that's little better than a Coke bottle.




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