FWIW - New Canon

[Shel Belinkoff]

http://tinyurl.com/o4ywe
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06082416canoneos400drebelxti.asp


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Re: PESO: Blame My Sister

[Igor Roshchin]

Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:23:34 -0700
Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Another shot with the Panasonic point and shoot .Leica 10X zoom, 5.2  
> mm (35mm  full frame fov),  f2.8 @ 1/160th, iso 400
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4851840&size=lg

I have seen the same type of effect with some photos, including my own:
it looks like the photos of the kids (adults in other cases) are
cut out from one photo and pasted on another. 
I think usually it happens with a contrasty background.

Does someone know what creates such an effect?

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Re: In regard to an embargo was Re:

[Digital Image Studio]

On 26/08/06, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Please don't anybody explain to me what I've just done :-(

One foot mega-foot-in-mouth every few years is ok I think.

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Re: Help buying a darkroom

[Doug Franklin]

Steve Sharpe wrote:
> At 6:55 PM -0400 8/25/06, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> That's a superb darkroom. Before film became nearly extinct,
> 
> I don't want to restart the usual film is dead/not dead discussion 

This just in, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

[With apologies to Chevy Chase]

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Re: In regard to an embargo was Re:

[Digital Image Studio]

On 26/08/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could be. But you're the guy who said  he had his fingers crossed, so
> you don't have them.

Bad logic I'm afraid. More a case of will it live up to the marketing
blurb. I have been asked not to disclose the information and I'm not
will to add to the speculation I've seen bandied about here other than
to join in discussing items that have been revealed elsewhere though I
do think Aaron is overreacting about the super duper new capabilities
a bit. So unless it's an extremely elaborate hoax you can validate my
claim after the fact the battery pack is a D-LI50 and the grip is a
D-BG2.

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Re: Cat Picture

[Paul Stenquist]

Dig! I get it:-)
On Aug 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> Yeah, I dig it!
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO: Cat Picture
>
>
>> I don't normally shoot cats, but this one is different. Another with
>> the Panasonic point and shoot. This one is ISO 800. Noise is okay
>> here, but no real shadows to deal with.
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Re: Cat Picture

[Kenneth Waller]

Yeah, I dig it!

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Cat Picture


>I don't normally shoot cats, but this one is different. Another with  
> the Panasonic point and shoot. This one is ISO 800. Noise is okay  
> here, but no real shadows to deal with.
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Re: PESO: Cat Picture

[David Savage]

LOL. You got me. :-)

Here's the best of my Cat. photos.



Z-20, 28-105mm f4-5.6 @ ~28mm, pop-up flash, Cheap Kodak film.

And on the left you can just make out part of a Cummins.

Dave

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Re: In regard to an embargo was Re:

[Paul Stenquist]

Could be. But you're the guy who said  he had his fingers crossed, so  
you don't have them.
In any case, it's no big deal, but the talk of the sacred embargo is  
juvenile and ridiculous.

On Aug 26, 2006, at 12:18 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

> On 26/08/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> By the way, anyone who has knowledge of the K10 camera and who is not
>> a camera dealer or a journalist is in no way obligated to observe an
>> embargo on information.
>
> No but it is fun isn't it :-)
>
> If you have the press releases that is.
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Re: Help buying a darkroom

[Steve Sharpe]

At 8:44 PM -0400 8/25/06, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>Do you want to buy my darkroom?  :-)  Actually, you can delete the 
>smiley. I really would love to sell it.
>Paul

If I had room I might! It's something I'd love to try.

We are probably going to be moving to a new house in the next 6 
months. I have already notified the Boss that I want a darkroom in 
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Re: In regard to an embargo was Re:

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On 26/08/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By the way, anyone who has knowledge of the K10 camera and who is not
> a camera dealer or a journalist is in no way obligated to observe an
> embargo on information.

No but it is fun isn't it :-)

If you have the press releases that is.

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Re: In regard to an embargo was Re:

[Paul Stenquist]

We don't have any connections. Aaron hasn't told us anything. Just  
teased us. Connections are relatively unimportant. If Aaron knows  
what the specs are, you can be sure that every camera manufacturer in  
the world knows as well.
On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:53 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> Yep, but if you break it, watch your connectios dry up. We don't  
> want to
> get Aaron in trouble, eh?
>
> -Adam
>
>
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>> a camera dealer or a journalist is in no way obligated to observe an
>> embargo on information.
>> Paul
>> On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:33 PM, David Savage wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I ain't playing your guessing game this time.
>>>
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Re: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2 - Larger!

[David Savage]

They look even better now, particularly the lighthouse shot.

Just for chuckles:



:-)

Dave

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Re: In regard to an embargo was Re:

[Adam Maas]

Yep, but if you break it, watch your connectios dry up. We don't want to 
get Aaron in trouble, eh?

-Adam


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> Paul
> On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:33 PM, David Savage wrote:
> 
> 
>>I ain't playing your guessing game this time.
>>
>>Dave
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In regard to an embargo was Re:

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By the way, anyone who has knowledge of the K10 camera and who is not  
a camera dealer or a journalist is in no way obligated to observe an  
embargo on information.
Paul
On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:33 PM, David Savage wrote:

> I ain't playing your guessing game this time.
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Re:

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I ain't playing your guessing game this time.

Dave

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Re: PESO: Cat Picture

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Jack. I was walking my grand daughter and she said, "Mess." I  
figured that indicated some visual impact here:-)
{ai;
On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> I do like this. Terrific composition nicely rendered.
> Interesting to peruse and made me smile.
>
> Jack
>
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> I don't normally shoot cats, but this one is different. Another with
>>
>> the Panasonic point and shoot. This one is ISO 800. Noise is okay
>> here, but no real shadows to deal with.
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Re: PESO: Cat Picture

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Jack. I was walking my grand daughter and she said, "Mess." I  
figured that indicated some visual impact here:-)
{ai;
On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> I do like this. Terrific composition nicely rendered.
> Interesting to peruse and made me smile.
>
> Jack
>
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> I don't normally shoot cats, but this one is different. Another with
>>
>> the Panasonic point and shoot. This one is ISO 800. Noise is okay
>> here, but no real shadows to deal with.
>> Paul
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Re: PESO: Cat Picture

[Jack Davis]

I do like this. Terrific composition nicely rendered.
Interesting to peruse and made me smile.

Jack

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> I don't normally shoot cats, but this one is different. Another with 
> 
> the Panasonic point and shoot. This one is ISO 800. Noise is okay  
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Re: Talked to Bill Owens tonight!

[Russell Kerstetter]

> Yesterday Bill left a message on my answering machine..

I guess that I am still new enough that I do not know Bill, or that he
was ill.  I was therefore very confused by your subject due to:
http://www.colorado.gov/governor/

>From the way that everyone is talking though, I imagine it was pretty serious?

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FS Friday - SMC Pentax K 35/3.5

[Shel Belinkoff]

Here y'go gang, a true classic K-mount lens in LN (almost) condition. This
lens has been called legendary, and has been considered to be one of the
best 35mm lenses Pentax ever made.  I liked mine so much I ended up with
three of them, all in beautiful shape.

This puppy includes F&R caps, and I may even have a case for it (gotta
look).

Drop a line off list to discuss price, make offer, see photos, and discuss
terms.



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Re: PESO: Cat Picture

[Russell Kerstetter]

at least I am not the only one feeling silly :)  (if you haven't seen
my other post yet)

> I don't normally shoot cats

me neither, not worth the effort.  i usually punch or kick when mine
is within range

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Re: Re: Re: PESO - no lighthouse here

[Russell Kerstetter]

try this one then

file:///Users/russ/Desktop/avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic12.html

russell

On 8/25/06, Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Very dark on my laptop, which is not a calibrated monitor. But this
> > one seems to be way off the scale.
> > Paul
>
> hmm...  that is what I thought it might be.  I had it a little
> brighter before, but I thought that it was losing too much detail in
> the clouds, or something like that
>
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Re: Re: Re: Re: PESO - no lighthouse here

[Russell Kerstetter]

> try this one then
>
> file:///Users/russ/Desktop/avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic12.html
>
> russell

LOL  If any of you can get there, I will give you a dollar!   :)

how about here instead

http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic09.html

I guess that's what I get for not proof reading (and I'm still
laughing at myself)  :)

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PESO: Cat Picture

[Paul Stenquist]

I don't normally shoot cats, but this one is different. Another with  
the Panasonic point and shoot. This one is ISO 800. Noise is okay  
here, but no real shadows to deal with.
Paul
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Re: Re: PESO - no lighthouse here

[Russell Kerstetter]

> Very dark on my laptop, which is not a calibrated monitor. But this
> one seems to be way off the scale.
> Paul

hmm...  that is what I thought it might be.  I had it a little
brighter before, but I thought that it was losing too much detail in
the clouds, or something like that

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Re: PESO - Political Statement?

[Ann Sanfedele]

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> I hesitated on this one, for obvious reasons. In the end I just found it, um, 
> interesting...
> 
> Spotted on the way to GFM last week, and taken on the way back.
> 
> http://www.alphoto.com/images/trespass.jpg
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That's terrific , Doug!  

appropriate for the theme coming up in Sept too

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PESO - no lighthouse here

[Russell Kerstetter]

After Cotty and Jack, I figured that I needed to get off my rear and
post, although in mine is simply a house of the regular variety.
and a barn.. and an RV.

http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic11.html

brutal and honest comments please, and thanks for looking

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Re: PESO - no lighthouse here

[Paul Stenquist]

Very dark on my laptop, which is not a calibrated monitor. But this  
one seems to be way off the scale.
Paul
On Aug 25, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote:

> After Cotty and Jack, I figured that I needed to get off my rear and
> post, although in mine is simply a house of the regular variety.
> and a barn.. and an RV.
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> http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic11.html
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Re: Talked to Bill Owens tonight!

[Ann Sanfedele]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
> Yesterday Bill left a message on my answering machine and tonight he
> returned the call. Wow. He sounds like either a new man or his old
> self; which statement fits better I can't say. He's out of the
> hospital and back at home, though with in-home nursing care still. I
> must say that he sounded, both in terms of his voice and his demeanor,
> 100% improved from the past couple of times I've talked to him.
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Super news!
Glad I hopped back on list to see that!

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Re: Re: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2 - Larger!

[Russell Kerstetter]

those look really great enlarged like that

russell

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holidays! signing off for a week

[Aaron Reynolds]

I'm off to a cabin with none of that electrical stuff for a week -- I have no 
interest in having a 3000 message inbox when I return, so I'm signing off until 
September.

Please respect the embargo on discussion of the ass-kickiness of the secret 
features of the new camera while I'm gone.

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Re:

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Come on Aaron, spit it out.:-)
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Re: *ist D Losing it's Mind

[skye]

That exact thing happened to mine last year, just once though. Taking
out all batteries including the one screwed into the bottom of the
camera, for several hours, "fixed" it.

It does periodically freeze, however (I can tell it's on but I can't
affect the camera in any way). By periodically I mean twice in the
past year.

I use rechargeable NiMHs and the group's advice to me last year was to
quit using that rubbish and get something good. So now I carry around
a package of new CR3V with me, in case I need to swop over to a "good"
battery.

Let me know if the advice to re-install firmware works for you.

On 8/25/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I suspect I'll need to send it in for a repair soon.  In the last couple of
> weeks it has, intermittently upon power up, started acting strangely.  Any
> push of any button or turn of any wheel will actuate the shutter, even
> though no exposure is recorded.
>
> Turning it on/off does not help.  Removing the batteries and reinserting
> them does not help.  The only thing that corrects it is to get into the menu
> and scroll down to the Contrast setting.  Once there, exiting the menu
> clears it up and it acts normally for the rest of the shooting session and
> responds normally during subsequent power off/on cycles.
>
> Any one else experience this behavior?
>
> Oh well, it may be my chance to use up the Velvia and Provia in the
> refrigerator.
>
> Tom C.
>
> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
> numbered."
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PESO: Blame My Sister

[Paul Stenquist]

Another shot with the Panasonic point and shoot .Leica 10X zoom, 5.2  
mm (35mm  full frame fov),  f2.8 @ 1/160th, iso 400
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Re: PESO: Pt Arena Light

[Jack Davis]

I think from the way this is going, I'd do it in hiding and only with
an extreme telephoto. 

Jack

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> On 26/8/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >
> >Stick one of these on your head and Jack'll come and photograph you!
> >http://en.petzl.com/petzl/LampesProduits?Produit=244
> 
> What, while I'm standing on a lazy susan?
> 
> Got one!  Standard issue for anyone working outside in the dark.
> Usually
> a Maglight in the teeth but if it's for more than a few minutes, you
> can't beat a Petzl. 
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Re: PESO: Pt Arena Light

[Jack Davis]

 
I'll shoot some ugly lighthouse pictures if it'll make you feel better.
(actually I already have several)
Thanks!

Jack
--- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 25/8/06, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Cotty's offering made me want to join in, so here's the only one
> I'll
> >bother you all with..for now.
> >Taken last summer (a coastal retreat from the valley heat) at Pt.
> Arena
> >on central California coast.
> >This is largely a record of the 'prox perspective I plan to use some
> >future early evening.
> >Like to have the tide out, I think, to expose more shoals and help
> with
> >a placid surf to reflect a sunset. That's all. :)
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >Comments welcome!
> >
> >http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=176
> 
> Much nicer than mine. I'm staying away from lighthouses.  Well done
> Jack-
> the-lad.
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Re: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2 - Larger!

[Paul Stenquist]

A much better look. Maybe a tiny bit oversharpened? But it's still  
hard to say with a web image. In any case, I still love the  
lighthouse shot.
Paul
On Aug 25, 2006, at 7:28 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> Cotty wrote:
>> Here's the pair again, larger.
>>
>> 
>>
>
> Gorgeous, the extra size really does them justice.
>
> The second, especially, would make a great 16x24.
>
> -Adam
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Re: Full Frame/Canon

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 25, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:

> Graywolf seemed to suggest that the lens designers are (were) in fact
> doing this already on "traditional" SLR wide-angles, and that it would
> be hard to correct the rays even further...

The traditional inverted telephoto designs required for very short  
focal length lenses on SLRs help in this regard but are often still  
not optimal for a digital sensor. Digital sensors require much more  
care in designing the light path at the edges of the frame compared  
to film. Traditional IT ultrawides were primarily designed to allow  
the mirror to clear the back of the lens, not to straighten the light  
path for a digital sensor. Many work reasonably well on the 16x24mm  
sensor format, but lenses designed and tuned specifically for the  
digital sensor typically show modest improvements at least.

The '1.5x crop' sensor format was chosen as a reasonable compromise  
for an existing 35mm film lens line precisely because it gives a  
reasonable chance for an lens designed for film capture to operate  
well within the constraints and sensitivities of a digital sensor  
(aside from the fact that a sensor with 60% area is much less  
expensive to manufacture...).

BTW:
A 'designed for digital' lens mount, like the 4/3 system lens mount,  
has a shorter register and a wider mount diameter relative to the  
sensor format to allow additional light path correcting elements at  
the rear of the lens, situated closer to the focal plane and also to  
allow the sensor to be more centrally located relative to the lens.  
The only such mount is the 4/3 mount... note that it has a mouth as  
large or larger than the Canon EOS mount (which has the largest  
diameter from the 35mm SLR camera world) and a shorter mount register  
(38.67 mm vs EOS 44.00 mm or K-mount 45.46mm). The shorter register  
and wider diameter allows more freedom in making lens designs that  
work well on a digital sensor.

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Re: Help buying a darkroom

[Mark Roberts]

Steve Sharpe wrote:

>At 6:55 PM -0400 8/25/06, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>That's a superb darkroom. Before film became nearly extinct,
>
>LOL!
>
>I don't want to restart the usual film is dead/not dead discussion 
>but I was at our photo club's monthly meeting two days ago. The guest 
>speaker was Frank Van Riper. One of his first questions was how many 
>of those present shoot film. Ten hands went up. How many shoot 
>exclusively film? The same ten hands went up. How many shoot 
>exclusively digital? The remaining two people put their hands up.
>
>"I must be in Maine," he said.

What a coincidence - having all 10 film shooters in Maine in the same
room!
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Re: *ist D Losing it's Mind

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"
Subject: *ist D Losing it's Mind


>I suspect I'll need to send it in for a repair soon.  In the last
>couple of
> weeks it has, intermittently upon power up, started acting strangely.
> Any
> push of any button or turn of any wheel will actuate the shutter, even
> though no exposure is recorded.
>
> Turning it on/off does not help.  Removing the batteries and
> reinserting
> them does not help.  The only thing that corrects it is to get into
> the menu
> and scroll down to the Contrast setting.  Once there, exiting the menu
> clears it up and it acts normally for the rest of the shooting session
> and
> responds normally during subsequent power off/on cycles.
>
> Any one else experience this behavior?

No.
Put in fresh batteries.
The istD goes really wonky if a battery isn't quite right.
Have you cleaned the battery terminals?

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Re: Help buying a darkroom

[Paul Stenquist]

Do you want to buy my darkroom?  :-)  Actually, you can delete the  
smiley. I really would love to sell it.
Paul
On Aug 25, 2006, at 8:32 PM, Steve Sharpe wrote:

> At 6:55 PM -0400 8/25/06, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> That's a superb darkroom. Before film became nearly extinct,
>
> LOL!
>
> I don't want to restart the usual film is dead/not dead discussion
> but I was at our photo club's monthly meeting two days ago. The guest
> speaker was Frank Van Riper. One of his first questions was how many
> of those present shoot film. Ten hands went up. How many shoot
> exclusively film? The same ten hands went up. How many shoot
> exclusively digital? The remaining two people put their hands up.
>
> "I must be in Maine," he said.
>
> :^)
>
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Re: PESO: Pt Arena Light

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

>On 26/8/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>Stick one of these on your head and Jack'll come and photograph you!
>>http://en.petzl.com/petzl/LampesProduits?Produit=244
>
>What, while I'm standing on a lazy susan?
>
>Got one!  Standard issue for anyone working outside in the dark. Usually
>a Maglight in the teeth but if it's for more than a few minutes, you
>can't beat a Petzl. 

I recently saw at a local camping supply place a headband designed to
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Re: Help buying a darkroom

[Steve Sharpe]

At 6:55 PM -0400 8/25/06, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>That's a superb darkroom. Before film became nearly extinct,

LOL!

I don't want to restart the usual film is dead/not dead discussion 
but I was at our photo club's monthly meeting two days ago. The guest 
speaker was Frank Van Riper. One of his first questions was how many 
of those present shoot film. Ten hands went up. How many shoot 
exclusively film? The same ten hands went up. How many shoot 
exclusively digital? The remaining two people put their hands up.

"I must be in Maine," he said.

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Re: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2 - Larger!

[P. J. Alling]

I think I'll take the contrarian view.  They're both good, but the 
lighthouse is better.  The larger version makes it.

Cotty wrote:

>Here's the pair again, larger.
>
>
>
>  
>


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Re: PESO: GFM Sunset, or Why I Switched to RAW

[P. J. Alling]

You're welcome.

Cotty wrote:

>On 25/8/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>  
>
>>I suppose, it's a hobby. 
>>
>>
>
>Thanks. best laugh of the day.
>
>  
>


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Re: PESO: Pt Arena Light

[Cotty]

On 26/8/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>Stick one of these on your head and Jack'll come and photograph you!
>http://en.petzl.com/petzl/LampesProduits?Produit=244

What, while I'm standing on a lazy susan?

Got one!  Standard issue for anyone working outside in the dark. Usually
a Maglight in the teeth but if it's for more than a few minutes, you
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Re: Talked to Bill Owens tonight!

[Mark Roberts]

David J Brooks wrote:

>Mark, thats great news. Must a bin the hat.

Hope you gave one to Don Nelson as well!

Since we're discussing PDML'ers who are a bit "under the weather", I
just heard from Don that he's finished his fourth and final stem cell
harvesting. Sounds pretty horrible. Next he will undergo a really
brutal 7-day chemotherapy round, after which he'll get back the cells
that were harvested from him and wait out for 20 days or so in a clean
hospital setting where his hammered immune system will get a chance to
rebuild and not (we hope) get infected by contact with normal
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Re: FS Friday: several Pentax lenses (and an AF body)

[Thibouille]

I shop near me in Brussels in selling the M42 version for 1200euros if
my memory serves me well enough :)

2006/8/25, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "P. J. Alling"
> Subject: Re: FS Friday: several Pentax lenses (and an AF body)
>
>
> > I'm going to hate myself for this, but you should put it on e-bay.  I
> > haven't seen one of them go for less than $800-$900 which is a roughly
> > 600-700 euros.You shouldn't short change yourself.  My last comment
> > was
> > a joke unfortunately it's just not in my budget right now.
> >
>
> I bought a new one last year (?) or the year before, I think it was
> about Can$1800.00.
> With film use on the wane, and the 14/2.8 on the market, I suspect the
> used price for the 15/3.5 is going to be quite low, as the 14/2.8 isn't
> a terribly expensive lens, and is a better lens on the DSLR than the
> 15/3.5 is.
>
> William Robb
>
>
>
> > Carlos Royo wrote:
> >
> >>Cotty wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 25/8/06, Carlos Royo, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> SMC Pentax-A 15 mm. 3.5, , an excellent ultra wide lens, compatible
> in
> all exposure modes with Pentax DSLRs, LN- 500 euros.
> 
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Re: Very Very OT - Maynard Ferguson Jazz Trumpeter Dies

[graywolf]

Thanks, Tom, I am not familiar with his later work. I shall try to 
remendy that.

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> One of my favorite jazz musicians.  Attended a high school clinic led by him 
> in 1976.
> 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/24/AR2006082401836.html
> 
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or 
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> 
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Re: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2 - Larger!

[Cotty]

>> 
>> 
>
>Gorgeous, the extra size really does them justice.
>
>The second, especially, would make a great 16x24.

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Re: Help buying a darkroom

[graywolf]

You probably could not piece it together for that price. However, it is 
a bit high in todays market, outfits are always quite a bit cheaper than 
buying individually. Once you get past the enlarger, and lenses nothing 
there has a great deal of market value anymore. $500, or so, would be a 
fair price to offer, in my opinion.

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> I'm interested in buying a used darkroom.  I've come across what seems to
> be a good deal.  I'm sure some of you have more knowledge of this sort of
> thing than I do.
> 
> for sale:
> Besler 23CII enlarger with Zone VI cold light head. Zone VI compensating
> enlarger timer with footswitch. Rodagon 80mm lens. Nikon 50mm lens. Peak
> grain focuser. Negative carriers. Saunders 4-blade easel. Cascade archival
> print washer. Gra Lab print timer. Zone VI film washer. Three sizes of
> developing trays. Film loading bag. Sundries: steel tongs, thermometers,
> jugs, funnel, stir rod, print squeege, graduates, hand-colouring pencils,
> negative sleeves, film hangers, canned air, anti-static cloth, and more.
> $900. obo
> 
> Thats about $800USD.  Assuming everything is in good condition (the photos
> indicate that it is all fairly new), is that a good value?  I'm sure that
> I could knock $100 or so off the price, too.
> 
> Mike
> 
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Re: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2 - Larger!

[Adam Maas]

Cotty wrote:
> Here's the pair again, larger.
> 
> 
> 

Gorgeous, the extra size really does them justice.

The second, especially, would make a great 16x24.

-Adam

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Re: PESO: GFM Sunset, or Why I Switched to RAW

[Adam Maas]

Cotty wrote:
> On 25/8/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> 
>>With the Pentax's, you've usually got about 1 stop of overhead between 
>>blown highlights on the JPEG and on the RAW, Nikon's about the same (at 
>>least with the D50) although most Nikon's underexpose a bit to preserve 
>>JPEG highlights. Canon may not be giving you that extra headroom (As 
>>it's purely in the JPEG rendering engine).
> 
> 
> So you're saying that I might not see such an improvement in the
> highlights through RAW, as I would if I were shooting RAW on a (say) Nikon?
> 

Pretty much. It all depends on how the JPEG rendering is set up. The 
Pentax and Nikon's clip highlights much sooner in JPEG than in RAW 
(Which is a royal pain on the D50, let me tell you). I can't say as to 
whether or not the Canon's do, as I don't own one of their DSLR's 
(Although a 30D may be in my future, as I can adapt all my SLR glass to 
it and I do rather like them).

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RE: PESO: Pt Arena Light

[Bob W]

> >
> >http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=176
> 
> Much nicer than mine. I'm staying away from lighthouses.  
> Well done Jack-
> the-lad.
> 
> -- 
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> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 

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Re: Grip for JIS crosspoint screwdriver?

[graywolf]

A comment for emergencies, The difference between a phillips and a JIS 
is that JIS has the point ground off. So in a bind you can grind off the 
point of a cheap phillips driver and use it.

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Lucas Rijnders wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:31:04 +0200, Powell Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
> 
>>> Someone managed to drop a camera with my F70-210/4-5.6 attached. Camera
>>> and lens appear to be fine, except that the zoom is stuck at 70mm.
>>> Although the optimist in me says that I did not lose a zoom but gained a
>>> prime, I'd still like to try my hand at repairing it.
>> This may help.
>> http://members.shaw.ca/hargravep/70-210.htm
>> NOTE: REMOVE THE INFORMATION BRUSH before disassembly!
> 
> Ah, it thats yours? It's one of my bookmarks :o) It helped tremendouly  
> when I recently disassembled a FA28-70/4, so thanks for maintaining it!  
> Now that we're at it: is there any way to remove the focussing ring on an  
> F lens? There seem to be slots for a screwdriver, but I'm hesitant to use  
> force... The FA had a different construction here.
> 
>>> The mount screws are firmly in place, so I guess I need a JIS  
>>> screwdriver.
>>> Www.micro-tools.com has these as what appears to be a blade only.
>> I have this JIS Type S Driver Set and recommend it.
>> https://www.micro-tools.com/store/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=58-0318
> 
> Thanks. Micro-tools and micro-tools europe seem to have a different  
> catalogue. The US site does ship to Germany (where the european part is  
> located), but not to the Netherlands. Strange...
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Re: *ist D Losing it's Mind

[Tom C]

They been in there several months (lithium AA's).  I'll try that too.  
Thanks.

Tom C.

"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or 
numbered."



>From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:57:26 -0400
>
>How old are your batteries? I've found most *istD weird behavior is
>due to old batteries. Doesn't matter if they're not dead. If they're
>almost dead, the camera freaks out.
>Paul
>On Aug 25, 2006, at 5:32 PM, Tom C wrote:
>
> > I suspect I'll need to send it in for a repair soon.  In the last
> > couple of
> > weeks it has, intermittently upon power up, started acting
> > strangely.  Any
> > push of any button or turn of any wheel will actuate the shutter, even
> > though no exposure is recorded.
> >
> > Turning it on/off does not help.  Removing the batteries and
> > reinserting
> > them does not help.  The only thing that corrects it is to get into
> > the menu
> > and scroll down to the Contrast setting.  Once there, exiting the menu
> > clears it up and it acts normally for the rest of the shooting
> > session and
> > responds normally during subsequent power off/on cycles.
> >
> > Any one else experience this behavior?
> >
> > Oh well, it may be my chance to use up the Velvia and Provia in the
> > refrigerator.
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
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Re: Full Frame/Canon

[graywolf]

Exactly!

Not that you can not push the design but then you lose more guality. The 
fact is that the 35mm based Pentax bodies have a backfocus distance of 
about 46mm. Now the physical nodal point of the lens can be somewhat (a 
few millimeters) behind that so maybe you can produce a standard lens of 
say 40mm.

That means that any lens shorter than 40mm has to be a retrofocus 
design. A retrofocus lens is a lens whose optical focal length is 
shorter than its physical focal length. You design a 15mm/3.5 that 
adequately covers 43mm (the circle you need to cover 35mm film) it is 
certainly going to cover an APS-C sized sensor and the light rays coming 
from it will be at the same angle as those from a 40 mm normal lens in 
either case.

Now if you have no problem with a 40mm lens on the digital sensor, you 
will obviously have none with the 15mm either. Claiming that it is the 
short focal length and the acute angle is causing a problem simply 
implies that the person making the statement does not understand optics 
very well.

Now by restricting the angle of the back focus (smaller circle of 
coverage) one can make a lens that has slightly better edge definition, 
simply because one is willing to give up resolution farther out. That 
has nothing whatsoever with the angle the light is stiking the sensor 
however. Of course I guess one could design a 15mm lens that actually 
has a back focus of 100mm or so, but the compromise in quality would be 
rather extreme.

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>>> Also, don't you get the same kind of problems with a e.g. DX-size (!)
>>> sensor and a lens that's sufficiently wider to give an equivalent
>>> field-of-view?
>>> 
>> Not if your lens design for the digital sensor is formulated to  
>> correct the ray trace so as to make the edge/corner rays more  
>> perpendicular to the sensor plane. This is done with a couple of  
>> correcting elements well behind the primary lens groups.
> Graywolf seemed to suggest that the lens designers are (were) in fact 
> doing this already on "traditional" SLR wide-angles, and that it would 
> be hard to correct the rays even further...
> 
> - Toralf
> 
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Re: Grip for JIS crosspoint screwdriver?

[graywolf]

Works for me also.

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> Woks fine for me on Firefox v1.5.0.6.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 8/26/06, Lucas Rijnders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:36:50 +0200, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> That is a replacement tip for a screwdriver set. Moody makes all kinds
>>> of drivers. You might want to check their website:
>>>
>>> http://www.moodytools.com/
>> Thank you (and David). Is it me, or does their site not work? I tried two
>> PC's and three browsers...
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Re: PESO: Pt Arena Light

[Cotty]

On 25/8/06, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty's offering made me want to join in, so here's the only one I'll
>bother you all with..for now.
>Taken last summer (a coastal retreat from the valley heat) at Pt. Arena
>on central California coast.
>This is largely a record of the 'prox perspective I plan to use some
>future early evening.
>Like to have the tide out, I think, to expose more shoals and help with
>a placid surf to reflect a sunset. That's all. :)
>
>Jack
>
>Comments welcome!
>
>http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=176

Much nicer than mine. I'm staying away from lighthouses.  Well done Jack-
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Re: PESO: GFM Sunset, or Why I Switched to RAW

[Cotty]

On 25/8/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed:

>With the Pentax's, you've usually got about 1 stop of overhead between 
>blown highlights on the JPEG and on the RAW, Nikon's about the same (at 
>least with the D50) although most Nikon's underexpose a bit to preserve 
>JPEG highlights. Canon may not be giving you that extra headroom (As 
>it's purely in the JPEG rendering engine).

So you're saying that I might not see such an improvement in the
highlights through RAW, as I would if I were shooting RAW on a (say) Nikon?

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Re: PESO: GFM Sunset, or Why I Switched to RAW

[Cotty]

On 25/8/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I suppose, it's a hobby. 

Thanks. best laugh of the day.

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Re: *ist D Losing it's Mind

[Tom C]

Thanks,  I may give that a shot!



Tom C.

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numbered."









From: "Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: *ist D Losing it's Mind
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:54:26 +0200

Hi,

Looks like you've just invented a pretty good excuse for ordering the K10D!

I've not expertienced anything like this (thank heavens!), but I have an
extra suggestion: try to re-install the firmware. A alteration in the
flash memory contents may well explain such a behavior.

If this proves true, trying this operation has a chance to fry the
firmware for good, if its part dedicated to its own replacement is
altered also, but any good design should prevent this from happening
(firmware loading engine separate from regular firmware code, and
cross-checks). But then, the cure would be to send the camera for repair
(flash upgrade again), which you have to do anyway.

Lood luck, whichever fate you wish to your *ist-D ;-)

Patrice

Tom C a écrit :
> I suspect I'll need to send it in for a repair soon.  In the last couple 
of
> weeks it has, intermittently upon power up, started acting strangely.  
Any

> push of any button or turn of any wheel will actuate the shutter, even
> though no exposure is recorded.
>
> Turning it on/off does not help.  Removing the batteries and reinserting
> them does not help.  The only thing that corrects it is to get into the 
menu

> and scroll down to the Contrast setting.  Once there, exiting the menu
> clears it up and it acts normally for the rest of the shooting session 
and

> responds normally during subsequent power off/on cycles.
>
> Any one else experience this behavior?
>
> Oh well, it may be my chance to use up the Velvia and Provia in the
> refrigerator.
>
> Tom C.
>
> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
> numbered."
>
>
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Re: Talked to Bill Owens tonight!

[David J Brooks]

Mark, thats great news. Must a bin the hat.

Dave

Quoting Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Yesterday Bill left a message on my answering machine and tonight he
> returned the call. Wow. He sounds like either a new man or his old
> self; which statement fits better I can't say. He's out of the
> hospital and back at home, though with in-home nursing care still. I
> must say that he sounded, both in terms of his voice and his demeanor,
> 100% improved from the past couple of times I've talked to him.
>
> In fact, his computer seems to have weathered the past few months less
> successfully than Bill and is suffering from a dead motherboard. Bill
> has a new Dell on order and says he'll be back on-list some time next
> week.
>
> With the start of the fall semester, I'm going to be too busy to
> contribute much over the next few weeks, so I'll ask everyone else to
> give him a warm welcome back. I think he really will make it to GFM
> next year.
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Re: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =

[Cotty]

On 25/8/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>One more PESO today.  This one's a B&W conversion, with a little back 
>story.  In the 1950's and 1960's a social experiment was attempted.  It 
>was thought that lives of the poor would be improved if they got free 
>government housing.  So local governments got grants to build this 
>stuff.  Under the banner of "Urban Renewal" vibrant but poor 
>neighborhoods were torn down and replaced with places like this.  Now 
>they are being replaced with neighborhoods that look like the ones that 
>were there originally.  Usually color makes a bad place look better, but 
>not this place, it still looks like a prison.  I chose B&W because I was 
>attempting a gritty old time newspaper look. 
>
>http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_goodintentionsbadplan.html

I hope you won't mind me saying that's the best pic I've ever seen you
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Re: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2 - Larger!

[Cotty]

Here's the pair again, larger.



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Re: *ist D Losing it's Mind

[Paul Stenquist]

How old are your batteries? I've found most *istD weird behavior is  
due to old batteries. Doesn't matter if they're not dead. If they're  
almost dead, the camera freaks out.
Paul
On Aug 25, 2006, at 5:32 PM, Tom C wrote:

> I suspect I'll need to send it in for a repair soon.  In the last  
> couple of
> weeks it has, intermittently upon power up, started acting  
> strangely.  Any
> push of any button or turn of any wheel will actuate the shutter, even
> though no exposure is recorded.
>
> Turning it on/off does not help.  Removing the batteries and  
> reinserting
> them does not help.  The only thing that corrects it is to get into  
> the menu
> and scroll down to the Contrast setting.  Once there, exiting the menu
> clears it up and it acts normally for the rest of the shooting  
> session and
> responds normally during subsequent power off/on cycles.
>
> Any one else experience this behavior?
>
> Oh well, it may be my chance to use up the Velvia and Provia in the
> refrigerator.
>
> Tom C.
>
> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
> numbered."
>
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Re: Help buying a darkroom

[Paul Stenquist]

That's a superb darkroom. Before film became nearly extinct, it would  
have been worth three times that price.

On Aug 25, 2006, at 5:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm interested in buying a used darkroom.  I've come across what  
> seems to
> be a good deal.  I'm sure some of you have more knowledge of this  
> sort of
> thing than I do.
>
> for sale:
> Besler 23CII enlarger with Zone VI cold light head. Zone VI  
> compensating
> enlarger timer with footswitch. Rodagon 80mm lens. Nikon 50mm lens.  
> Peak
> grain focuser. Negative carriers. Saunders 4-blade easel. Cascade  
> archival
> print washer. Gra Lab print timer. Zone VI film washer. Three sizes of
> developing trays. Film loading bag. Sundries: steel tongs,  
> thermometers,
> jugs, funnel, stir rod, print squeege, graduates, hand-colouring  
> pencils,
> negative sleeves, film hangers, canned air, anti-static cloth, and  
> more.
> $900. obo
>
> Thats about $800USD.  Assuming everything is in good condition (the  
> photos
> indicate that it is all fairly new), is that a good value?  I'm  
> sure that
> I could knock $100 or so off the price, too.
>
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Re: PESO - On More's Creek

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice shot, Tom. Very painterly. Well seen.
Paul
On Aug 25, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Tom C wrote:

> Thank you, sir.
>
> Tom C.
>
> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
> numbered."
>
>
>> From: "Russell Kerstetter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Subject: Re: PESO - On More's Creek
>> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:29:15 -0600
>>
>>> Taken this morning on the way to work.
>>
>> that's a really neat picture
>>
>> russell
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Re: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2

[Cotty]

On 25/8/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>
>
>Looks familiar:
>http://www.robertstech.com/temp/s_stack.jpg
> 

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Re: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =

[Paul Stenquist]

Much nicer than the projects in Chicago, where I worked as a teacher  
some thirty years ago. Not seedy enough to communicate a social message.
Paul
On Aug 25, 2006, at 4:42 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> One more PESO today.  This one's a B&W conversion, with a little back
> story.  In the 1950's and 1960's a social experiment was  
> attempted.  It
> was thought that lives of the poor would be improved if they got free
> government housing.  So local governments got grants to build this
> stuff.  Under the banner of "Urban Renewal" vibrant but poor
> neighborhoods were torn down and replaced with places like this.  Now
> they are being replaced with neighborhoods that look like the ones  
> that
> were there originally.  Usually color makes a bad place look  
> better, but
> not this place, it still looks like a prison.  I chose B&W because  
> I was
> attempting a gritty old time newspaper look.
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_goodintentionsbadplan.html
>
> Technical Info.:
>
> Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 1600 @ 1/4000sec (Av)
> smc Pentax F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 @f8.0 (70mm)
>
> B&W conversion Note:
>
> This is a many layered conversion.  It's the same one I've used  
> before,
> but I added a copy layer just above the background to emulate film
> grain. I was looking for something like a fine grain 35mm film from  
> the
> 1960s or 1970s sort of like Plus-X Pan.  It doesn't look like any
> particular film but maybe like some film.
>
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
>
> -- 
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> Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as modern  
> America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess the same  
> qualities they do. Cats are irresponsible and recognize no  
> authority, yet are completely dependent on others for their  
> material needs. Cats cannot be made to do anything useful. Cats are  
> mean for the fun of it
>
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Re: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =

[Toralf Lund]

> Usually color makes a bad place look better, but 
> not this place, it still looks like a prison.  I chose B&W because I was 
> attempting a gritty old time newspaper look. 
>   
After reading the posts where some other people said the place didn't 
look *that* bad (can't decide if I agree with them or not), I started 
wondering if it might not have seemed worse i colour, and thus have been 
able to show what you were thinking about more effectively without the 
B&W conversion. Can't be sure without seeing it, of course...

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RE: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2

[Tim Øsleby]

I enjoy both Cotty. 
But I definitely prefer no 43, there is something not quite right with no
42. There is something with that #, the meaning of life, you know ;-)

Mark's approach on the same spot http://www.robertstech.com/temp/s_stack.jpg
told me what was wrong. The light house is conflicting with the horizon. 


Tim
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Cotty
Sent: 25. august 2006 15:52
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Subject: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2

I haven't posted anything (worth reading some would say) in the way of
pictures for such a long time. Home reno and work commitments take
precedence, but a weeks R and R to my parent's meant I could actually
dust off the sensor and try and remember how to shoot a landscape. Or two.





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Re: PESO - On More's Creek

[Jack Davis]

Right! Abstracts are judged by how they strike each of us individually.
No right or wrong interpretation.

Jack

--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks for commenting Jack.
> 
> Being an abstract I figure it doesn't really require an an anchor in
> the 
> classic sense used in photography (as it's not a photograph in the
> classic 
> sense).  It's just a pattern on the water.  Including anything more
> would 
> ruin it I believe.
> 
> Thanks for the feedback.
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
> 
> numbered."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >Subject: Re: PESO - On More's Creek
> >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:26:16 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Didn't see the original post, so I'll cut in here if I may.
> >I like your dancing reflection idea, but I'm not sure it has the
> anchor
> >it needs. Too homogeneous?
> >I see no evidence of over sharpening.
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > It looks very pointillist, (to coin a verb).  I'm not sure that
> style
> > >
> > > lends itself to the subject matter.  I hate to say it but maybe
> it
> > > needs
> > > less sharpening?
> > >
> > > Tom C wrote:
> > >
> > > >Taken this morning on the way to work.  Another water abstract.
> > > Columnar
> > > >Basalt lava cliffs reflecting in the water of More's Creek.
> > > >
> > > >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4850427
> > > >
> > > >Tom C.
> > > >
> > > >"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed,
> debriefed
> > > or
> > > >numbered."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as modern
> > > America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess the same
> > > qualities they do. Cats are irresponsible and recognize no
> authority,
> > > yet are completely dependent on others for their material needs.
> Cats
> > > cannot be made to do anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun
> of it
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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Re: *ist D Losing it's Mind

[Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)]

Hi,

Looks like you've just invented a pretty good excuse for ordering the K10D!

I've not expertienced anything like this (thank heavens!), but I have an 
extra suggestion: try to re-install the firmware. A alteration in the 
flash memory contents may well explain such a behavior.

If this proves true, trying this operation has a chance to fry the 
firmware for good, if its part dedicated to its own replacement is 
altered also, but any good design should prevent this from happening 
(firmware loading engine separate from regular firmware code, and 
cross-checks). But then, the cure would be to send the camera for repair 
(flash upgrade again), which you have to do anyway.

Lood luck, whichever fate you wish to your *ist-D ;-)

Patrice

Tom C a écrit :
> I suspect I'll need to send it in for a repair soon.  In the last couple of 
> weeks it has, intermittently upon power up, started acting strangely.  Any 
> push of any button or turn of any wheel will actuate the shutter, even 
> though no exposure is recorded.
>
> Turning it on/off does not help.  Removing the batteries and reinserting 
> them does not help.  The only thing that corrects it is to get into the menu 
> and scroll down to the Contrast setting.  Once there, exiting the menu 
> clears it up and it acts normally for the rest of the shooting session and 
> responds normally during subsequent power off/on cycles.
>
> Any one else experience this behavior?
>
> Oh well, it may be my chance to use up the Velvia and Provia in the 
> refrigerator.
>
> Tom C.
>
> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or 
> numbered."
>
>
>
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Re: Full Frame/Canon

[Toralf Lund]

>> Also, don't you get the same kind of problems with a e.g. DX-size (!)
>> sensor and a lens that's sufficiently wider to give an equivalent
>> field-of-view?
>> 
>
> Not if your lens design for the digital sensor is formulated to  
> correct the ray trace so as to make the edge/corner rays more  
> perpendicular to the sensor plane. This is done with a couple of  
> correcting elements well behind the primary lens groups.
Graywolf seemed to suggest that the lens designers are (were) in fact 
doing this already on "traditional" SLR wide-angles, and that it would 
be hard to correct the rays even further...

- Toralf


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Re: Help buying a darkroom

[Aaron Reynolds]

Darkroom prices are in the tank.  While is a nice setup, the price is probably 
twice what it should be.

-Aaron

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I'm interested in buying a used darkroom.  I've come across what seems to
be a good deal.  I'm sure some of you have more knowledge of this sort of
thing than I do.

for sale:
Besler 23CII enlarger with Zone VI cold light head. Zone VI compensating
enlarger timer with footswitch. Rodagon 80mm lens. Nikon 50mm lens. Peak
grain focuser. Negative carriers. Saunders 4-blade easel. Cascade archival
print washer. Gra Lab print timer. Zone VI film washer. Three sizes of
developing trays. Film loading bag. Sundries: steel tongs, thermometers,
jugs, funnel, stir rod, print squeege, graduates, hand-colouring pencils,
negative sleeves, film hangers, canned air, anti-static cloth, and more.
$900. obo

Thats about $800USD.  Assuming everything is in good condition (the photos
indicate that it is all fairly new), is that a good value?  I'm sure that
I could knock $100 or so off the price, too.

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RE: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =

[Bob W]

Hi,

I'm not saying your pictures are of middle-class places - the pictures
my friend took were. But yours don't seem to me to be as bad as
perhaps you think. There's a lot around that's a lot worse.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> Sent: 25 August 2006 22:30
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =
> 
> I guess England is different.  Middle class people can afford a lot 
> better in the US.  Canada too probably.  To my eye this place 
> is bleak, 
> at best, warehouses for unwanted people.  The people who were living

> there knew that and treated it accordingly.  It's clean now because 
> there is almost no one left living there.  One or two apartments are

> still occupied, the rest are empty and the windows are 
> boarded up, (the 
> windows were mostly broken as of a couple of weeks ago), and 
> as soon as 
> there are places to move the last couple of tenants that project is 
> coming down.  If you like being warehoused more power to you.
> 
> Bob W wrote:
> 
> >Those places look ok. Your picture reminds me of a project that a
> >friend of mine did when we were about 20 years old and relatively
new
> >to photography. He comes from rather a privileged background, but
> >resolved to take socially-aware pictures, so he spent some weeks
> >working on his project. At the end he showed his shocking expose of
> >squalid housing and bad conditions to the local socialist rag, and
> >they laughed themselves sick. He'd taken pictures of ordinary
> >lower-middle-class homes.
> >
> >--
> >Cheers,
> > Bob 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> >>Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> >>Sent: 25 August 2006 21:42
> >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >>Subject: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =
> >>
> >>One more PESO today.  This one's a B&W conversion, with a little
> >>
> >>
> >back 
> >  
> >
> >>story.  In the 1950's and 1960's a social experiment was 
> >>attempted.  It 
> >>was thought that lives of the poor would be improved if they got
> >>
> >>
> >free 
> >  
> >
> >>government housing.  So local governments got grants to build this

> >>stuff.  Under the banner of "Urban Renewal" vibrant but poor 
> >>neighborhoods were torn down and replaced with places like this.
> >>
> >>
> >Now 
> >  
> >
> >>they are being replaced with neighborhoods that look like the 
> >>ones that 
> >>were there originally.  Usually color makes a bad place look 
> >>better, but 
> >>not this place, it still looks like a prison.  I chose B&W 
> >>because I was 
> >>attempting a gritty old time newspaper look. 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_goodintentionsbadplan.html
> >  
> >
> >>Technical Info.:
> >>
> >>Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 1600 @ 1/4000sec (Av)
> >>smc Pentax F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 @f8.0 (70mm)
> >>
> >>B&W conversion Note:
> >>
> >>This is a many layered conversion.  It's the same one I've 
> >>used before, 
> >>but I added a copy layer just above the background to emulate film

> >>grain. I was looking for something like a fine grain 35mm 
> >>film from the 
> >>1960s or 1970s sort of like Plus-X Pan.  It doesn't look like any 
> >>particular film but maybe like some film.  
> >>
> >>As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>
> >>Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as 
> >>modern America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess 
> >>the same qualities they do. Cats are irresponsible and 
> >>recognize no authority, yet are completely dependent on 
> >>others for their material needs. Cats cannot be made to do 
> >>anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it 
> >>
> >>P. J. O'Rourke
> >>
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> 
> Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as 
> modern America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess 
> the same qualities they do. Cats are irresponsible and 
> recognize no authority, yet are completely dependent on 
> others for their material needs. Cats cannot be made to do 
> anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it 
> 
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Re: PESO - On More's Creek

[Tom C]

Thanks Ken, I appreciate the feedback.



Tom C.

"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or 
numbered."







>From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>Subject: Re: PESO - On More's Creek
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:20:58 -0400
>
>Dare I say I'd like to see More?
>
>Very well seen & captured.
>
>An interesting variation on scenes like this is a multiple exposure.
>
>Kenneth Waller
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: PESO - On More's Creek
>
>
> > Taken this morning on the way to work.  Another water abstract.  
>Columnar
> > Basalt lava cliffs reflecting in the water of More's Creek.
> >
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4850427
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> > "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
> > numbered."
> >
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*ist D Losing it's Mind

[Tom C]

I suspect I'll need to send it in for a repair soon.  In the last couple of 
weeks it has, intermittently upon power up, started acting strangely.  Any 
push of any button or turn of any wheel will actuate the shutter, even 
though no exposure is recorded.

Turning it on/off does not help.  Removing the batteries and reinserting 
them does not help.  The only thing that corrects it is to get into the menu 
and scroll down to the Contrast setting.  Once there, exiting the menu 
clears it up and it acts normally for the rest of the shooting session and 
responds normally during subsequent power off/on cycles.

Any one else experience this behavior?

Oh well, it may be my chance to use up the Velvia and Provia in the 
refrigerator.

Tom C.

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Help buying a darkroom

[mike]

I'm interested in buying a used darkroom.  I've come across what seems to
be a good deal.  I'm sure some of you have more knowledge of this sort of
thing than I do.

for sale:
Besler 23CII enlarger with Zone VI cold light head. Zone VI compensating
enlarger timer with footswitch. Rodagon 80mm lens. Nikon 50mm lens. Peak
grain focuser. Negative carriers. Saunders 4-blade easel. Cascade archival
print washer. Gra Lab print timer. Zone VI film washer. Three sizes of
developing trays. Film loading bag. Sundries: steel tongs, thermometers,
jugs, funnel, stir rod, print squeege, graduates, hand-colouring pencils,
negative sleeves, film hangers, canned air, anti-static cloth, and more.
$900. obo

Thats about $800USD.  Assuming everything is in good condition (the photos
indicate that it is all fairly new), is that a good value?  I'm sure that
I could knock $100 or so off the price, too.

Mike


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Re: FS Friday: several Pentax lenses (and an AF body)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: FS Friday: several Pentax lenses (and an AF body)


> I'm going to hate myself for this, but you should put it on e-bay.  I
> haven't seen one of them go for less than $800-$900 which is a roughly
> 600-700 euros.You shouldn't short change yourself.  My last comment 
> was
> a joke unfortunately it's just not in my budget right now.
>

I bought a new one last year (?) or the year before, I think it was 
about Can$1800.00.
With film use on the wane, and the 14/2.8 on the market, I suspect the 
used price for the 15/3.5 is going to be quite low, as the 14/2.8 isn't 
a terribly expensive lens, and is a better lens on the DSLR than the 
15/3.5 is.

William Robb



> Carlos Royo wrote:
>
>>Cotty wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 25/8/06, Carlos Royo, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
>>>
>>>
SMC Pentax-A 15 mm. 3.5, , an excellent ultra wide lens, compatible 
in
all exposure modes with Pentax DSLRs, LN- 500 euros.





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Re: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =

[P. J. Alling]

I guess England is different.  Middle class people can afford a lot 
better in the US.  Canada too probably.  To my eye this place is bleak, 
at best, warehouses for unwanted people.  The people who were living 
there knew that and treated it accordingly.  It's clean now because 
there is almost no one left living there.  One or two apartments are 
still occupied, the rest are empty and the windows are boarded up, (the 
windows were mostly broken as of a couple of weeks ago), and as soon as 
there are places to move the last couple of tenants that project is 
coming down.  If you like being warehoused more power to you.

Bob W wrote:

>Those places look ok. Your picture reminds me of a project that a
>friend of mine did when we were about 20 years old and relatively new
>to photography. He comes from rather a privileged background, but
>resolved to take socially-aware pictures, so he spent some weeks
>working on his project. At the end he showed his shocking expose of
>squalid housing and bad conditions to the local socialist rag, and
>they laughed themselves sick. He'd taken pictures of ordinary
>lower-middle-class homes.
>
>--
>Cheers,
> Bob 
>
>  
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>Behalf Of P. J. Alling
>>Sent: 25 August 2006 21:42
>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>Subject: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =
>>
>>One more PESO today.  This one's a B&W conversion, with a little
>>
>>
>back 
>  
>
>>story.  In the 1950's and 1960's a social experiment was 
>>attempted.  It 
>>was thought that lives of the poor would be improved if they got
>>
>>
>free 
>  
>
>>government housing.  So local governments got grants to build this 
>>stuff.  Under the banner of "Urban Renewal" vibrant but poor 
>>neighborhoods were torn down and replaced with places like this.
>>
>>
>Now 
>  
>
>>they are being replaced with neighborhoods that look like the 
>>ones that 
>>were there originally.  Usually color makes a bad place look 
>>better, but 
>>not this place, it still looks like a prison.  I chose B&W 
>>because I was 
>>attempting a gritty old time newspaper look. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_goodintentionsbadplan.html
>  
>
>>Technical Info.:
>>
>>Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 1600 @ 1/4000sec (Av)
>>smc Pentax F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 @f8.0 (70mm)
>>
>>B&W conversion Note:
>>
>>This is a many layered conversion.  It's the same one I've 
>>used before, 
>>but I added a copy layer just above the background to emulate film 
>>grain. I was looking for something like a fine grain 35mm 
>>film from the 
>>1960s or 1970s sort of like Plus-X Pan.  It doesn't look like any 
>>particular film but maybe like some film.  
>>
>>As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
>>
>>-- 
>>
>>Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as 
>>modern America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess 
>>the same qualities they do. Cats are irresponsible and 
>>recognize no authority, yet are completely dependent on 
>>others for their material needs. Cats cannot be made to do 
>>anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it 
>>
>>P. J. O'Rourke
>>
>>
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>>
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>
>
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>


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Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as modern America's 
favorite pet. People like pets to possess the same qualities they do. Cats are 
irresponsible and recognize no authority, yet are completely dependent on 
others for their material needs. Cats cannot be made to do anything useful. 
Cats are mean for the fun of it 

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Re: FS Friday: several Pentax lenses (and an AF body)

[mike wilson]

Cotty wrote:

> On 25/8/06, Carlos Royo, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> 
>>SMC Pentax-A 15 mm. 3.5, , an excellent ultra wide lens, compatible in
>>all exposure modes with Pentax DSLRs, LN- 500 euros.
> 
> 
> If you don't sell this lens, any Euro-listers who don't have one and are
> reading this must be mad. I have the K version and it is amongst the top
> half dozen best Pentax lenses ever made. 500 euros, that's about 330. I
> am sorely tempted just to have another.
> 

Stop it, you swine!  I've been dribbling over this for the last six 
weeks or so.  Although that could just be a sign of old age.


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RE: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =

[Bob W]

Those places look ok. Your picture reminds me of a project that a
friend of mine did when we were about 20 years old and relatively new
to photography. He comes from rather a privileged background, but
resolved to take socially-aware pictures, so he spent some weeks
working on his project. At the end he showed his shocking expose of
squalid housing and bad conditions to the local socialist rag, and
they laughed themselves sick. He'd taken pictures of ordinary
lower-middle-class homes.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> Sent: 25 August 2006 21:42
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =
> 
> One more PESO today.  This one's a B&W conversion, with a little
back 
> story.  In the 1950's and 1960's a social experiment was 
> attempted.  It 
> was thought that lives of the poor would be improved if they got
free 
> government housing.  So local governments got grants to build this 
> stuff.  Under the banner of "Urban Renewal" vibrant but poor 
> neighborhoods were torn down and replaced with places like this.
Now 
> they are being replaced with neighborhoods that look like the 
> ones that 
> were there originally.  Usually color makes a bad place look 
> better, but 
> not this place, it still looks like a prison.  I chose B&W 
> because I was 
> attempting a gritty old time newspaper look. 
> 
>
http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_goodintentionsbadplan.html
> 
> Technical Info.:
> 
> Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 1600 @ 1/4000sec (Av)
> smc Pentax F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 @f8.0 (70mm)
> 
> B&W conversion Note:
> 
> This is a many layered conversion.  It's the same one I've 
> used before, 
> but I added a copy layer just above the background to emulate film 
> grain. I was looking for something like a fine grain 35mm 
> film from the 
> 1960s or 1970s sort of like Plus-X Pan.  It doesn't look like any 
> particular film but maybe like some film.  
> 
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as 
> modern America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess 
> the same qualities they do. Cats are irresponsible and 
> recognize no authority, yet are completely dependent on 
> others for their material needs. Cats cannot be made to do 
> anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it 
> 
> P. J. O'Rourke
> 
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Re: Full Frame/Canon

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 25, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:

> I a way, yes, but with a "crop" sensor those pixels near the edge  
> simply
> won't be there at all. I'd prefer a slight fall-off, I think...

The issue is not confined to just a slight fall-off of illumination.  
With non-perpendicular light paths onto a sensor, diffraction around  
the edges of the photosite wells at corners add up to make chromatic  
aberration and moire which is difficult to correct, reducing  
resolution and quality.

> Also, don't you get the same kind of problems with a e.g. DX-size (!)
> sensor and a lens that's sufficiently wider to give an equivalent
> field-of-view?

Not if your lens design for the digital sensor is formulated to  
correct the ray trace so as to make the edge/corner rays more  
perpendicular to the sensor plane. This is done with a couple of  
correcting elements well behind the primary lens groups. Without a  
swinging mirror to deal with, fixed lens digital cameras with  
optimized lenses use correcting elements to align the light path with  
elements that very closely approach the sensor, minimizing photo-site  
well diffraction and moire effects, corner light fall off, etc.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - On More's Creek

[Tom C]

Thanks for commenting Jack.

Being an abstract I figure it doesn't really require an an anchor in the 
classic sense used in photography (as it's not a photograph in the classic 
sense).  It's just a pattern on the water.  Including anything more would 
ruin it I believe.

Thanks for the feedback.


Tom C.

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numbered."







>From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:26:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Didn't see the original post, so I'll cut in here if I may.
>I like your dancing reflection idea, but I'm not sure it has the anchor
>it needs. Too homogeneous?
>I see no evidence of over sharpening.
>
>Jack
>
>--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It looks very pointillist, (to coin a verb).  I'm not sure that style
> >
> > lends itself to the subject matter.  I hate to say it but maybe it
> > needs
> > less sharpening?
> >
> > Tom C wrote:
> >
> > >Taken this morning on the way to work.  Another water abstract.
> > Columnar
> > >Basalt lava cliffs reflecting in the water of More's Creek.
> > >
> > >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4850427
> > >
> > >Tom C.
> > >
> > >"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed
> > or
> > >numbered."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> > Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as modern
> > America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess the same
> > qualities they do. Cats are irresponsible and recognize no authority,
> > yet are completely dependent on others for their material needs. Cats
> > cannot be made to do anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it
> >
> >
> > P. J. O'Rourke
> >
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RE: PESO: Pt Arena Light

[Jack Davis]

I sort of feel the same about it except I like the other shoal and
shore elements so well that, for me, the lighthouse only 'finishes' the
scene.
Appreciate your thoughts.

Jack

--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The jury's out on this one.  Definitely a pleasing composition. 
> Other than 
> that though... this particular shot does not grab me. What you have
> in mind 
> for the future with the pinks, reds, and oranges of a sunset would be
> nice.
> 
> The lighthouse... It's so small I'm sort of bugged by it being there.
> 
> My own personal opinion of course.
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
> 
> numbered."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >To: pdml@pdml.net
> >Subject: PESO: Pt Arena Light
> >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:55:46 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Cotty's offering made me want to join in, so here's the only one
> I'll
> >bother you all with..for now.
> >Taken last summer (a coastal retreat from the valley heat) at Pt.
> Arena
> >on central California coast.
> >This is largely a record of the 'prox perspective I plan to use some
> >future early evening.
> >Like to have the tide out, I think, to expose more shoals and help
> with
> >a placid surf to reflect a sunset. That's all. :)
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >Comments welcome!
> >
> >http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=176
> >
> >
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Re: Comments on FA 24-90, please

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Pancho Hasselbach wrote:

> A wideangle hood for 67mm filter thread might be quite bulky, and, as
> you say, of little use on the long end, but I think the original  
> hood is
> a little better due to the tulip form. ...

I wasn't thinking of a wideangle hood. A lens hood for a normal lens  
on a 35mm camera, which is what the standard hoods from Kalt are made  
for, will work fine for a 24mm lens on the DS. I use Kalt standard  
lens hoods for everything down to the FA20-35 with no vignetting.  
Same for the 28-105 ... it worked at least as well as the standard  
Pentax hood (designed for 35mm format again). For best results at the  
long end, a bit of a snoot would do well to extend it.

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/lenshood-lineup-1845.jpg

Tulip shaped hoods are a compromise too. ;-)

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Re: FS Friday: several Pentax lenses (and an AF body)

[P. J. Alling]

I'm going to hate myself for this, but you should put it on e-bay.  I 
haven't seen one of them go for less than $800-$900 which is a roughly 
600-700 euros.You shouldn't short change yourself.  My last comment was 
a joke unfortunately it's just not in my budget right now. 

Carlos Royo wrote:

>Cotty wrote:
>  
>
>>On 25/8/06, Carlos Royo, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>
>>
>>>SMC Pentax-A 15 mm. 3.5, , an excellent ultra wide lens, compatible in
>>>all exposure modes with Pentax DSLRs, LN- 500 euros.
>>>  
>>>
>>If you don't sell this lens, any Euro-listers who don't have one and are
>>reading this must be mad. I have the K version and it is amongst the top
>>half dozen best Pentax lenses ever made. 500 euros, that's about 330. I
>>am sorely tempted just to have another.
>>
>>(put the commission in the post as usual Carlos ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
>Thanks for the plug, Cotty. I agree it is an excellent lens, and it 
>performs really well both in film and digital. I am selling it only 
>because I have too many lenses which I don't use that often (I know, a 
>PDMLer can't have too many lenses :-) ).
>Strangely enough, I haven't been able to sell it so far, this is why I 
>have reduced the asking price.
>(We'll talk about the comission later, Cotty ;-)
>
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Re: Pt Arena Light

[Jack Davis]

Less harsh and sweeter. That's what I hoping for..someday.
Thanks for comment.

Jack

--- Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd like to see it with less harsh light.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO: Pt Arena Light
> 
> 
> > Cotty's offering made me want to join in, so here's the only one
> I'll
> > bother you all with..for now.
> > Taken last summer (a coastal retreat from the valley heat) at Pt.
> Arena
> > on central California coast.
> > This is largely a record of the 'prox perspective I plan to use
> some
> > future early evening.
> > Like to have the tide out, I think, to expose more shoals and help
> with
> > a placid surf to reflect a sunset. That's all. :)
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
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Re: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =

[Kenneth Waller]

Sorry P.J. but this doesn't do anything for me.

I'm very familiar with the concept, as I use to live in an area of New 
Jersey where the "Projects" were common, in fact I use to work for a liquor 
store as a delivery guy & delivered a lot of liquor to the "Projects". The 
one you've chosen to depict actually looks quite well kept up & not the 
usual run down condition I became familiar with.

Kenneth Waller

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From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =


> One more PESO today.  This one's a B&W conversion, with a little back
> story.  In the 1950's and 1960's a social experiment was attempted.  It
> was thought that lives of the poor would be improved if they got free
> government housing.  So local governments got grants to build this
> stuff.  Under the banner of "Urban Renewal" vibrant but poor
> neighborhoods were torn down and replaced with places like this.  Now
> they are being replaced with neighborhoods that look like the ones that
> were there originally.  Usually color makes a bad place look better, but
> not this place, it still looks like a prison.  I chose B&W because I was
> attempting a gritty old time newspaper look.
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_goodintentionsbadplan.html
>
> Technical Info.:
>
> Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 1600 @ 1/4000sec (Av)
> smc Pentax F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 @f8.0 (70mm)
>
> B&W conversion Note:
>
> This is a many layered conversion.  It's the same one I've used before,
> but I added a copy layer just above the background to emulate film
> grain. I was looking for something like a fine grain 35mm film from the
> 1960s or 1970s sort of like Plus-X Pan.  It doesn't look like any
> particular film but maybe like some film.
>
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
>
> -- 
>
> Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as modern 
> America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess the same qualities 
> they do. Cats are irresponsible and recognize no authority, yet are 
> completely dependent on others for their material needs. Cats cannot be 
> made to do anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it
>
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Re: PESO - On More's Creek

[Jack Davis]

Didn't see the original post, so I'll cut in here if I may.
I like your dancing reflection idea, but I'm not sure it has the anchor
it needs. Too homogeneous?
I see no evidence of over sharpening.

Jack

--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It looks very pointillist, (to coin a verb).  I'm not sure that style
> 
> lends itself to the subject matter.  I hate to say it but maybe it
> needs 
> less sharpening?
> 
> Tom C wrote:
> 
> >Taken this morning on the way to work.  Another water abstract. 
> Columnar 
> >Basalt lava cliffs reflecting in the water of More's Creek.
> >
> >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4850427
> >
> >Tom C.
> >
> >"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed
> or 
> >numbered."
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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> yet are completely dependent on others for their material needs. Cats
> cannot be made to do anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it
> 
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RE: PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =

[Tom C]

I didn't know you visited Leningrad! Strong image.



Tom C.

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>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:42:03 -0400
>
>One more PESO today.  This one's a B&W conversion, with a little back
>story.  In the 1950's and 1960's a social experiment was attempted.  It
>was thought that lives of the poor would be improved if they got free
>government housing.  So local governments got grants to build this
>stuff.  Under the banner of "Urban Renewal" vibrant but poor
>neighborhoods were torn down and replaced with places like this.  Now
>they are being replaced with neighborhoods that look like the ones that
>were there originally.  Usually color makes a bad place look better, but
>not this place, it still looks like a prison.  I chose B&W because I was
>attempting a gritty old time newspaper look.
>
>http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_goodintentionsbadplan.html
>
>Technical Info.:
>
>Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 1600 @ 1/4000sec (Av)
>smc Pentax F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 @f8.0 (70mm)
>
>B&W conversion Note:
>
>This is a many layered conversion.  It's the same one I've used before,
>but I added a copy layer just above the background to emulate film
>grain. I was looking for something like a fine grain 35mm film from the
>1960s or 1970s sort of like Plus-X Pan.  It doesn't look like any
>particular film but maybe like some film.
>
>As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
>
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>favorite pet. People like pets to possess the same qualities they do. Cats 
>are irresponsible and recognize no authority, yet are completely dependent 
>on others for their material needs. Cats cannot be made to do anything 
>useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it
>
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PESO -- Good Intentions + Bad Plan =

[P. J. Alling]

One more PESO today.  This one's a B&W conversion, with a little back 
story.  In the 1950's and 1960's a social experiment was attempted.  It 
was thought that lives of the poor would be improved if they got free 
government housing.  So local governments got grants to build this 
stuff.  Under the banner of "Urban Renewal" vibrant but poor 
neighborhoods were torn down and replaced with places like this.  Now 
they are being replaced with neighborhoods that look like the ones that 
were there originally.  Usually color makes a bad place look better, but 
not this place, it still looks like a prison.  I chose B&W because I was 
attempting a gritty old time newspaper look. 

http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_goodintentionsbadplan.html

Technical Info.:

Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 1600 @ 1/4000sec (Av)
smc Pentax F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 @f8.0 (70mm)

B&W conversion Note:

This is a many layered conversion.  It's the same one I've used before, 
but I added a copy layer just above the background to emulate film 
grain. I was looking for something like a fine grain 35mm film from the 
1960s or 1970s sort of like Plus-X Pan.  It doesn't look like any 
particular film but maybe like some film.  

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: PESO - Landscapes Qty 2

[Joseph Tainter]

Great clouds.

I don't recall if you can put a polarizer on the 15/3.5.

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Re: PESO - On More's Creek

[Kenneth Waller]

Dare I say I'd like to see More?

Very well seen & captured.

An interesting variation on scenes like this is a multiple exposure.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: PESO - On More's Creek


> Taken this morning on the way to work.  Another water abstract.  Columnar
> Basalt lava cliffs reflecting in the water of More's Creek.
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4850427
>
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>
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Re: Pt Arena Light

[Kenneth Waller]

I'd like to see it with less harsh light.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Pt Arena Light


> Cotty's offering made me want to join in, so here's the only one I'll
> bother you all with..for now.
> Taken last summer (a coastal retreat from the valley heat) at Pt. Arena
> on central California coast.
> This is largely a record of the 'prox perspective I plan to use some
> future early evening.
> Like to have the tide out, I think, to expose more shoals and help with
> a placid surf to reflect a sunset. That's all. :)
> 
> Jack
> 
> Comments welcome!
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=176
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Re: PESO: Pt Arena Light

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Russell. I've taken any number of lighthouse dominated shots
when the shore is either unavailable or deemed a negative element.
If I do get back to this area for another try, I'll likely try
compressing the scene more and enlarging the lighthouse some.

Jack

--- Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Cotty's offering made me want to join in
> 
> me too, maybe tonight I will get off my duff and post.
> 
> nice composition, it is kind of relaxing to look at.  I also think
> that the lighthouse is too small though
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