Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[John Celio]

>> You can get the original 6x7 wooden grip second-hand, but it's one of
>> those things that's never available when you're looking for it.  I
>> only use mine to carry the camera as I can't be bothered with a strap.
>>
>
> The store I got it at had 3, 2 Pentax originals & 3rd party copy.

What were they priced at?  I've been trying to find a decently-priced (read: 
cheap) grip for ages now.

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Re: Book Launch

[pnstenquist]

Excellent. Congratulations.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Vic Macbournie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi Folks: The official launch of my book is tomorrow at 1p.m. at Different 
> Drummer Books in Burlington Ont. The book The Niagara Escarpment, from 
> Niagara to Tobermory is apparenlty selling well. I'll let you know how it 
> went
> 
> Vic
> 
> For information on the book
> http://www.amazon.ca/Niagara-Escarpment-Photographic-Journey-Tobermory/dp/155028
> 9349
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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Savage]

On 11/5/06, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 2006, at 9:19 PM, David Savage wrote:
>
> > I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple times a
> > year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):
> >
> > 
>
> You need to buy some sandpaper to add some "I'm a professional"
> brassing.  It wouldn't hurt to hammer a couple of dents into the
> prism while you're at it.

Har!

> Also, you're now going to want a 6x7 scanner, more memory for your
> computer, and a bigger printer.  I hope you were warned about the
> expense of digital medium format ;)

Oh I know. I was already thinking of upgrading my Epson 3200 & adding
more RAM before this purchase. It's now become a higher priority. :-)

But first I've got to get a bigger desk. 2 monitors & my R2400 take up
a lot of space. And the thing is I can't find one in the stores that
suit my needs, so I'll have to build it myself.

Dave

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Savage]

On 11/5/06, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 2006, at 6:27 AM, Doug Miles wrote:
>
> > There's a guy who has made wood+aluminum right-side handgrips for
> > the 6x7
> > and 67 with a resulting effect similar to the 67II built-in grip. It
> > attaches to the two right-side strap lugs, and  he's sold them on
> > eBay under
> > the name "inoyoon". I have not seen one listed for a while so maybe
> > he's not
> > making them now.
>
> You can get the original 6x7 wooden grip second-hand, but it's one of
> those things that's never available when you're looking for it.  I
> only use mine to carry the camera as I can't be bothered with a strap.
>
> - Dave

The store I got it at had 3, 2 Pentax originals & 3rd party copy.

Dave

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Mann]

On Nov 4, 2006, at 9:19 PM, David Savage wrote:

> I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple times a
> year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):
>
> 

You need to buy some sandpaper to add some "I'm a professional"  
brassing.  It wouldn't hurt to hammer a couple of dents into the  
prism while you're at it.

Also, you're now going to want a 6x7 scanner, more memory for your  
computer, and a bigger printer.  I hope you were warned about the  
expense of digital medium format ;)

- Dave (I want a 67II)



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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Mann]

On Nov 5, 2006, at 6:27 AM, Doug Miles wrote:

> There's a guy who has made wood+aluminum right-side handgrips for  
> the 6x7
> and 67 with a resulting effect similar to the 67II built-in grip. It
> attaches to the two right-side strap lugs, and  he's sold them on  
> eBay under
> the name "inoyoon". I have not seen one listed for a while so maybe  
> he's not
> making them now.

You can get the original 6x7 wooden grip second-hand, but it's one of  
those things that's never available when you're looking for it.  I  
only use mine to carry the camera as I can't be bothered with a strap.

- Dave



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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Mann]

How about Half-brotherhood?

On Nov 5, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> I think that's the Sisterhood 
>
> Shel
>
>> --- Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>>> LOL ... So if I get a Pentax 645, I'll be a member
>>> of "The Little  Brotherhood" ?  ];-)


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Re: PESO - Erin laughs

[David Savage]

That's a beautiful portrait Brendan.

Dave

On 11/5/06, Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.members.aol.com/bmacrae/erin.jpg
>
> First photo I've posted here NOT captured with Pentax
> gear (all apologies).
>
> Yashica Mat 134G, Tri X.
>
> Comments always encouraged.
>
> -Brendan

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Re: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?

[David Savage]

ROTFLMAO

Dave

On 11/5/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/11/06, Stephen D'Andrea, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >What I really need to know first though, is . . . how do you get to
> >the sensor? I'd feel better if I could at least see where the dust
> >might be.
> >
> >When I remove the lens and carefully lift up the mirror what I see is
> >the blades of the shutter, not the sensor.
>
> I use a pair of tweezers and carefully pull one of the shutter curtains
> back across the frame - it tends to 'park' okay with a little force. I
> find that the best tweezers to use are not those lame flat-edged ones
> for pulling eyelids about, rather the really sharp, needle-nose type. I
> paid $175 for mine - they are tungsten-carbide tipped and will gouge
> cleanly through 3mm of stainless steel. Of course, one must be careful
> not to scratch the sensor, which I clean with a swab soaked in 97% proof
> Jamaican rum.
>
> But only after I've had a few good slugs first.

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Re: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?

[David Savage]

Reag pages 180-181 of the manual under "Cleaning the CCD" (Charge
Coupled Device, ie. sensor)

Dave

On 11/5/06, Stephen D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> I've got what must be a speck of dust on the sensor of my istDS.
> I've done a bit of research about how to remove it and the potential
> pitfalls.
>
> What I really need to know first though, is . . . how do you get to
> the sensor? I'd feel better if I could at least see where the dust
> might be.
>
> When I remove the lens and carefully lift up the mirror what I see is
> the blades of the shutter, not the sensor.
>
> Since I've only been shooting digital since June of this year, I keep
> fighting the impulse to open the back of the camera.
>
> I await enlightenment from those so inclined.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Stephen

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Re: Book Launch

[Digital Image Studio]

On 05/11/06, Vic Macbournie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Folks: The official launch of my book is tomorrow at 1p.m. at Different
> Drummer Books in Burlington Ont. The book The Niagara Escarpment, from
> Niagara to Tobermory is apparenlty selling well. I'll let you know how it
> went

Congratulations Vic, well done.

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Re: PAW 2006 - 32 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

thank you, frank!

G

On Nov 3, 2006, at 12:41 PM, frank theriault wrote:

>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/32.htm
>
> Beautiful still life.



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PESO - The Town Post Office

[Shel Belinkoff]

The town I moved to is called Kensington.  It's a very small town, with an
area of just one square mile. It's located just north of Berkeley. I
stopped in at the Post Office this afternoon.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/postoffice.html

Not a great pic, just a little hand held email-type snap  very slow
shutter speed, wide aperture, ISO 1600


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Book Launch

[Vic Macbournie]

Hi Folks: The official launch of my book is tomorrow at 1p.m. at Different 
Drummer Books in Burlington Ont. The book The Niagara Escarpment, from 
Niagara to Tobermory is apparenlty selling well. I'll let you know how it 
went

Vic

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Re: PESO - Erin laughs

[Brendan MacRae]

--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 4, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:
> 
> > http://www.members.aol.com/bmacrae/erin.jpg
> >
> > First photo I've posted here NOT captured with
> Pentax
> > gear (all apologies).
> >
> > Yashica Mat 134G, Tri X.
> 
> Very nice. The candlestick in the foreground is a
> little unfortunate,  
> but the rest of it is good enough to overcome that
> distraction.

Yeah, I have a cropped version, too. But for whatever
reason I like it this way.
> 
> I presume you meant to type "YashicaMat 124G".
> 
Yup, I always get that wrong.

-Brendan


 

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Re: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty"
Subject: Re: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?



> I use a pair of tweezers and carefully pull one of the shutter 
> curtains
> back across the frame - it tends to 'park' okay with a little force. I
> find that the best tweezers to use are not those lame flat-edged ones
> for pulling eyelids about, rather the really sharp, needle-nose type. 
> I
> paid $175 for mine - they are tungsten-carbide tipped and will gouge
> cleanly through 3mm of stainless steel. Of course, one must be careful
> not to scratch the sensor, which I clean with a swab soaked in 97% 
> proof
> Jamaican rum.
>
> But only after I've had a few good slugs first.

Mamby pamby Canons need special care, do they?

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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Tom C]

Thanks Rob.  I find that if I think of the data captured by the sensor as a 
piece of film it makes sense. The lightest areas, total white, can be made 
darker, but they contain no detail.  The darkest areas, total black, can be 
made lighter, but they contain no detail.  The only way those areas of the 
frame could contain meaningful information is to adjust exposure up or down 
at the time of capture, moving, as Godfrey terms it, the window.

Well, I think I understand it now (whethr it sounds like it or not). :-)

Tom C.




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>Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 08:43:18 +1100
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>On 05/11/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If I take a RAW .PEF file and adjust exposure -1 and +1 stop, saving 
>each as
> > another .PEF in Adobe Camera Raw, would that not for all intents and
> > purposes, be the same as having taken three separate exposures at 
>-1/0/+1 ?
> >
> > Could I conceivably then process the three as an HDR and get the same
> > results and have the same flexibility in post-processing as if I took 
>three
> > exposures in-camera?
>
>Not even close Tom, if you have more than one frame at different
>exposures you have an absolute differential of the difference between
>the exposures beyond the absolute range of the RAW file. By carefully
>controlling the adjustments during RAW conversion the entire latitude
>of any exposure can be realised in a single conversion. If your RAW
>converter doesn't have a curves tool then of course there is limited
>scope to control the gamma via contrast if you need to push the
>brightness to extremes. However if you generate a 16 bit output files
>then  fine gamma adjustments can be effected without loss in any
>decent image editor using a curves tool.
>
>Of course the validity of even applying HDR techniques depends upon
>the subject matter and lighting. IOW if the subject brightness range
>lies within the latitude of a single exposure then the technique may
>yield very marginal advantage.
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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Tom C]

Got it.  Thanks.

Tom C.




>From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:38:53 -0800
>
>No, that's not the right way to think about it. Read what I wrote
>below carefully.
>
>The sensor has an absolute dynamic range. Exposure settings establish
>the environment in which that dynamic range operates electically,
>essentially setting the gain "window" over which the sensor can
>capture intensity values. You can adjust what HAS been captured
>within certain boundaries mathematically after the fact, which is
>what you're doing when you modify the gamma correction curve in a RAW
>converter, but you cannot change what has been captured. That can
>only be adjusted by exposure at the time of capture.
>
>An HDR technique of taking multiple exposures at different settings
>than merging them together allows the sensor's absolute dynamic range
>to be extended, synthesizing a larger dynamic range through repeated
>and different 'windows' on the subject intensities.
>
>Godfrey
>
>On Nov 4, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Tom C wrote:
>
> > What you say makes sense excpet when I think of it like this:
> >
> > I was thinking of the data captured by the sensor as basically a
> > bitmap.  If
> > all adjusting gain (up/down) on the sensor effectively does, is to
> > make an
> > individual pixel, lighter or darker than it would have been
> > otherwise, then
> > it *seems* that the same thing could be done post-capture, sans-
> > sensor.
> >
> > So is my thinking basically correct in principle, but not
> > necessarially so
> > in practice?
> >
> >> In simple terms:
> >>
> >> - Making one exposure and than adjusting it once out of the camera
> >> always locks you into whatever happens to be the maximum analog
> >> dynamic range of the sensor. If elements of a scene fall outside that
> >> dynamic range, you get black/noise or total saturation, no matter how
> >> much adjustability a RAW converter might have or how much data
> >> recovery it can do.
> >>
> >> - Making a set of exposures at different exposure settings and then
> >> integrating them together allows you to window the scene with a
> >> dynamic range wider than what the sensor can acquire in one exposure.
>
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Re: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?

[Cotty]

On 4/11/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You are an incredibly evil man, Cotty. What other good qualities do  
>you have?

I had to read your question twice before I understood it :-)

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RE: PESO: Hydra, Greece

[Jens Bladt]

I did some work on curves, perspective and removed some of that blue cast.
Isn't it better - what do you think?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/288773353/

Regards
Jens Bladt


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Emne: RE: PESO: Hydra, Greece


He, I guess you are refering to Leonard Cohen, Bob.? He used to live there,
I believe.
As a matter of fact, the first time I visited Hydrea was  in 1996. The year
I spent a very nice holliday in Greece with a beautiful girlfriend; Susanne
:-) !
Jens Bladt
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+45 23 43 85 77
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Emne: RE: PESO: Hydra, Greece


I like that photo and I like the look of the camera. The line of
lights around the bay is excellent. And who can think of Hydra without
thinking of Suzanne and Marianne?

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jens Bladt
> Sent: 04 November 2006 20:38
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: PESO: Hydra, Greece
>
> As I was looking for an old focusing screen, that I wanted
> for adjusting the
> focusing of my latest camera purchase - an old English
> folding camera, I
> came across some old 6x6 slides:
> This one was done with a Rolleiflex 3.5F. Perhaps the best
> camera I have
> ever owned:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/288739731/
>
> The old English camera now focuses correctly, I believe:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594360116071/
>
> Regards
> Jens
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Re: PAW 2006 - 33 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

LOL .. Thanks Paul.

I really wanted to go even wider. Something about the grandeur of  
that sky against the bucolic commonness of a bunch of cows getting  
their morning feed. But I didn't have the DA14 with me.

Getting closer would have been unpleasant at best, and the cows would  
have bolted. They were acting suspicious of me already. The field  
between me and them was mostly mud ...

Godfrey

On Nov 4, 2006, at 2:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Pretty. I might have liked it even more if you had moved in closer  
> to the cows. Then again, maybe not.
>
>>
>>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/33.htm


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Re: PESO - Erin laughs

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 4, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

> http://www.members.aol.com/bmacrae/erin.jpg
>
> First photo I've posted here NOT captured with Pentax
> gear (all apologies).
>
> Yashica Mat 134G, Tri X.

Very nice. The candlestick in the foreground is a little unfortunate,  
but the rest of it is good enough to overcome that distraction.

I presume you meant to type "YashicaMat 124G".

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Re: PAW 2006 - 33 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks Brendan!

Yes, the DA21 turns out to be one of those special lenses I just want  
to use a lot...  :-)
Can't wait to see how it performs on the K10D with even more  
resolution to work with.

Godfrey

On Nov 4, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

> Lovin' that lens, eh Godfrey?
>
> Great clouds, very nice. I like the B/W version as
> well.
>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/33.htm


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Re: IR capability of K100D?

[pnstenquist]

Converting the pink pics to BW will give you an IR look.
Paul
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From: Pancho Hasselbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Godfrey, Walter, Paul,
> 
> thank you so far. The fact that the sensor in the K1x0Ds is the same as
> in the previous models is a good hint for IR capability. I had hoped
> that someone had tested it already, maybe I'm going to bother my local
> dealer a bit.
> 
> Anyway, it won't be before next year that I'll seriously
> go into some enablement, so I'm not in a hurry.
> 
> BTW, the Oly renders IR pix in a weird pink tone, like this:
> www.vollholz.de/peso/wieseck.html
> www.vollholz.de/peso/theater.html
> www.vollholz.de/peso/hinterhof.html
> 
> 
> Pancho
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Re: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 4, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Cotty wrote:

> I use a pair of tweezers and carefully pull one of the shutter  
> curtains
> back across the frame - it tends to 'park' okay with a little force. I
> find that the best tweezers to use are not those lame flat-edged ones
> for pulling eyelids about, rather the really sharp, needle-nose  
> type. I
> paid $175 for mine - they are tungsten-carbide tipped and will gouge
> cleanly through 3mm of stainless steel. Of course, one must be careful
> not to scratch the sensor, which I clean with a swab soaked in 97%  
> proof
> Jamaican rum.
>
> But only after I've had a few good slugs first.
>
> HTH

You are an incredibly evil man, Cotty. What other good qualities do  
you have?

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Re: IR capability of K100D?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Pancho,

All IR capture work has to be image processed...

G

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> BTW, the Oly renders IR pix in a weird pink tone, like this:
>
> www.vollholz.de/peso/wieseck.html
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Re: Wacom Graphire pen

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 3, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Mat Maessen wrote:

>> I use a Wacom tablet.  It's absolutely essential for fine  
>> selections or
>> other detail work.  Much more comfortable and precise than usinng  
>> the mouse.
>
> How much does a decent one run these days? I'm thinking of putting it
> on the Christmas list...

I use the Wacom Intuos3 and love it. Current price on a 6x8 inch  
model is about $255.

Godfrey

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back from Photo Plus & saw the K10D

[Amita Guha]

I have finally seen the K10D in person. I have to admit, I liked it
more than I thought I would. The body looks almost identical to the
*istD, with a nice build. I am definitely going to upgrade to it when
the price comes down a bit.

I looked at some other things at the Pentax booth. I liked the 21mm
Ltd. I looked at the fisheye zoom, but oddly enough, I preferred the
Tokina version. It might have been the finish. That's just as well,
because I can get it for my Nikon when it's available.

I liked the Optio A20 and the Optio S7 a lot, but I also fell in love
with the black Leica D-LUX 3 (also known as the Panasonic LUMIX
DMC-LX2). Not sure if I'll get any of them, but they all seem like
great digicams.

I visited all the lens manufacturers' booths. I found out that Tamron
is having a rebate, so if anyone is thinking about getting the 90mm
macro, now is the time, because you can get $40 off until the end of
the year.

If anyone has any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

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RE: PESO - Erin laughs

[Brendan MacRae]

Oui, oui, a bout de souffle.

Thanks.

-Brendan

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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

No, that's not the right way to think about it. Read what I wrote  
below carefully.

The sensor has an absolute dynamic range. Exposure settings establish  
the environment in which that dynamic range operates electically,  
essentially setting the gain "window" over which the sensor can  
capture intensity values. You can adjust what HAS been captured  
within certain boundaries mathematically after the fact, which is  
what you're doing when you modify the gamma correction curve in a RAW  
converter, but you cannot change what has been captured. That can  
only be adjusted by exposure at the time of capture.

An HDR technique of taking multiple exposures at different settings  
than merging them together allows the sensor's absolute dynamic range  
to be extended, synthesizing a larger dynamic range through repeated  
and different 'windows' on the subject intensities.

Godfrey

On Nov 4, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Tom C wrote:

> What you say makes sense excpet when I think of it like this:
>
> I was thinking of the data captured by the sensor as basically a  
> bitmap.  If
> all adjusting gain (up/down) on the sensor effectively does, is to  
> make an
> individual pixel, lighter or darker than it would have been  
> otherwise, then
> it *seems* that the same thing could be done post-capture, sans- 
> sensor.
>
> So is my thinking basically correct in principle, but not  
> necessarially so
> in practice?
>
>> In simple terms:
>>
>> - Making one exposure and than adjusting it once out of the camera
>> always locks you into whatever happens to be the maximum analog
>> dynamic range of the sensor. If elements of a scene fall outside that
>> dynamic range, you get black/noise or total saturation, no matter how
>> much adjustability a RAW converter might have or how much data
>> recovery it can do.
>>
>> - Making a set of exposures at different exposure settings and then
>> integrating them together allows you to window the scene with a
>> dynamic range wider than what the sensor can acquire in one exposure.


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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Shel Belinkoff]

I think that's the Sisterhood 

Shel



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>
> > LOL ... So if I get a Pentax 645, I'll be a member
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PESO: Kitten

[Toine]

We are preparing for the arrival of two new kittens in our home.
Here's one of them:

http://leende.net/peso/kitten.htm

Toine

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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Digital Image Studio]

On 05/11/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What you say makes sense excpet when I think of it like this:
>
> I was thinking of the data captured by the sensor as basically a bitmap.  If
> all adjusting gain (up/down) on the sensor effectively does, is to make an
> individual pixel, lighter or darker than it would have been otherwise, then
> it *seems* that the same thing could be done post-capture, sans-sensor.

The is no variation of the sensor capture range unless the physical
exposure is altered (either shutter period or lens aperture).

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RE: PESO: Hydra, Greece

[Jens Bladt]

He, I guess you are refering to Leonard Cohen, Bob.? He used to live there,
I believe.
As a matter of fact, the first time I visited Hydrea was  in 1996. The year
I spent a very nice holliday in Greece with a beautiful girlfriend; Susanne
:-) !
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Emne: RE: PESO: Hydra, Greece


I like that photo and I like the look of the camera. The line of
lights around the bay is excellent. And who can think of Hydra without
thinking of Suzanne and Marianne?

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> Subject: PESO: Hydra, Greece
>
> As I was looking for an old focusing screen, that I wanted
> for adjusting the
> focusing of my latest camera purchase - an old English
> folding camera, I
> came across some old 6x6 slides:
> This one was done with a Rolleiflex 3.5F. Perhaps the best
> camera I have
> ever owned:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/288739731/
>
> The old English camera now focuses correctly, I believe:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594360116071/
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RE: PESO - Erin laughs

[Bob W]

Wow - breathless. She makes me think of Jean Seberg. Great portrait.

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> 
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> 
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Re: IR capability of K100D?

[Pancho Hasselbach]

Godfrey, Walter, Paul,

thank you so far. The fact that the sensor in the K1x0Ds is the same as
in the previous models is a good hint for IR capability. I had hoped
that someone had tested it already, maybe I'm going to bother my local
dealer a bit.

Anyway, it won't be before next year that I'll seriously
go into some enablement, so I'm not in a hurry.

BTW, the Oly renders IR pix in a weird pink tone, like this:
www.vollholz.de/peso/wieseck.html
www.vollholz.de/peso/theater.html
www.vollholz.de/peso/hinterhof.html


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RE: PESO: Hydra, Greece

[Bob W]

I like that photo and I like the look of the camera. The line of
lights around the bay is excellent. And who can think of Hydra without
thinking of Suzanne and Marianne?

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> Subject: PESO: Hydra, Greece
> 
> As I was looking for an old focusing screen, that I wanted 
> for adjusting the
> focusing of my latest camera purchase - an old English 
> folding camera, I
> came across some old 6x6 slides:
> This one was done with a Rolleiflex 3.5F. Perhaps the best 
> camera I have
> ever owned:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/288739731/
> 
> The old English camera now focuses correctly, I believe:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594360116071/
> 
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Re: PAW 2006 - 33 - GDG

[pnstenquist]

Pretty. I might have liked it even more if you had moved in closer to the cows. 
Then again, maybe not.
Paul
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> Another from my trip to the IoM ... Early morning, I managed to get  
> out just after sunrise and headed over to the west of the island  
> hunting for fog. Didn't find fog, but the sunrise to the east was  
> appealing:
> 
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/33.htm
> 
> A larger rendering in both B&W and color are available from this page.
> 
> Comments, critique, flames all appreciated.
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Re: PAW 2006 - 33 - GDG

[Brendan MacRae]

Lovin' that lens, eh Godfrey?

Great clouds, very nice. I like the B/W version as
well.

-Brendan

--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Another from my trip to the IoM ... Early morning, I
> managed to get  
> out just after sunrise and headed over to the west
> of the island  
> hunting for fog. Didn't find fog, but the sunrise to
> the east was  
> appealing:
> 
>   
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/33.htm
> 
> A larger rendering in both B&W and color are
> available from this page.
> 
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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Tom C]

What you say makes sense excpet when I think of it like this:

I was thinking of the data captured by the sensor as basically a bitmap.  If 
all adjusting gain (up/down) on the sensor effectively does, is to make an 
individual pixel, lighter or darker than it would have been otherwise, then 
it *seems* that the same thing could be done post-capture, sans-sensor.

So is my thinking basically correct in principle, but not necessarially so 
in practice?


Tom C.


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>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:29:05 -0800
>
>In simple terms:
>
>- Making one exposure and than adjusting it once out of the camera
>always locks you into whatever happens to be the maximum analog
>dynamic range of the sensor. If elements of a scene fall outside that
>dynamic range, you get black/noise or total saturation, no matter how
>much adjustability a RAW converter might have or how much data
>recovery it can do.
>
>- Making a set of exposures at different exposure settings and then
>integrating them together allows you to window the scene with a
>dynamic range wider than what the sensor can acquire in one exposure.
>
>Godfrey
>
>On Nov 4, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Tom C wrote:
>
> > OK.  That being the case, how is adjusting the exposure of a .PEF
> > file after
> > the fact different than doing it in camera?  I realize there *is a*
> > difference because a .PEF file is not really raw, and obviously the
> > sensor
> > gain is out of the picture.  What *is* the difference?
> >
> > Maybe I don't really care about the technical details as long as
> > the results
> > are what I want
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RE: PESO: Hydra, Greece

[Tom C]

A very pleasing photo and composition Jens.



Tom C.


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>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 21:38:28 +0100
>
>As I was looking for an old focusing screen, that I wanted for adjusting 
>the
>focusing of my latest camera purchase - an old English folding camera, I
>came across some old 6x6 slides:
>This one was done with a Rolleiflex 3.5F. Perhaps the best camera I have
>ever owned:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/288739731/
>
>The old English camera now focuses correctly, I believe:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594360116071/
>
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Re: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 05/11/06, Stephen D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When I remove the lens and carefully lift up the mirror what I see is
> the blades of the shutter, not the sensor.

So the camera still works after you've lifted the mirror up? If so
that's pretty cool, I don't recall a report of anyone trying this
experiment as yet with any Pentax DSLR since they were originally
released.

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PAW 2006 - 33 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Another from my trip to the IoM ... Early morning, I managed to get  
out just after sunrise and headed over to the west of the island  
hunting for fog. Didn't find fog, but the sunrise to the east was  
appealing:

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/33.htm

A larger rendering in both B&W and color are available from this page.

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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Digital Image Studio]

On 05/11/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I take a RAW .PEF file and adjust exposure -1 and +1 stop, saving each as
> another .PEF in Adobe Camera Raw, would that not for all intents and
> purposes, be the same as having taken three separate exposures at -1/0/+1 ?
>
> Could I conceivably then process the three as an HDR and get the same
> results and have the same flexibility in post-processing as if I took three
> exposures in-camera?

Not even close Tom, if you have more than one frame at different
exposures you have an absolute differential of the difference between
the exposures beyond the absolute range of the RAW file. By carefully
controlling the adjustments during RAW conversion the entire latitude
of any exposure can be realised in a single conversion. If your RAW
converter doesn't have a curves tool then of course there is limited
scope to control the gamma via contrast if you need to push the
brightness to extremes. However if you generate a 16 bit output files
then  fine gamma adjustments can be effected without loss in any
decent image editor using a curves tool.

Of course the validity of even applying HDR techniques depends upon
the subject matter and lighting. IOW if the subject brightness range
lies within the latitude of a single exposure then the technique may
yield very marginal advantage.

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Brendan MacRae]

Well, we may have to bring that one to a vote.

;-]

-Brendan

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> LOL ... So if I get a Pentax 645, I'll be a member
> of "The Little  
> Brotherhood" ?  ];-)
> 
> G
> 
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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

In simple terms:

- Making one exposure and than adjusting it once out of the camera  
always locks you into whatever happens to be the maximum analog  
dynamic range of the sensor. If elements of a scene fall outside that  
dynamic range, you get black/noise or total saturation, no matter how  
much adjustability a RAW converter might have or how much data  
recovery it can do.

- Making a set of exposures at different exposure settings and then  
integrating them together allows you to window the scene with a  
dynamic range wider than what the sensor can acquire in one exposure.

Godfrey

On Nov 4, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Tom C wrote:

> OK.  That being the case, how is adjusting the exposure of a .PEF  
> file after
> the fact different than doing it in camera?  I realize there *is a*
> difference because a .PEF file is not really raw, and obviously the  
> sensor
> gain is out of the picture.  What *is* the difference?
>
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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

LOL ... So if I get a Pentax 645, I'll be a member of "The Little  
Brotherhood" ?  ];-)

G

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PESO - Erin laughs

[Brendan MacRae]

http://www.members.aol.com/bmacrae/erin.jpg

First photo I've posted here NOT captured with Pentax
gear (all apologies).

Yashica Mat 134G, Tri X.

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Re: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?

[Cotty]

On 4/11/06, Stephen D'Andrea, discombobulated, unleashed:

>What I really need to know first though, is . . . how do you get to  
>the sensor? I'd feel better if I could at least see where the dust  
>might be.
>
>When I remove the lens and carefully lift up the mirror what I see is  
>the blades of the shutter, not the sensor.

I use a pair of tweezers and carefully pull one of the shutter curtains
back across the frame - it tends to 'park' okay with a little force. I
find that the best tweezers to use are not those lame flat-edged ones
for pulling eyelids about, rather the really sharp, needle-nose type. I
paid $175 for mine - they are tungsten-carbide tipped and will gouge
cleanly through 3mm of stainless steel. Of course, one must be careful
not to scratch the sensor, which I clean with a swab soaked in 97% proof
Jamaican rum.

But only after I've had a few good slugs first.

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Re: Adults on bicycles

[Cotty]

On 4/11/06, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>There's not a lot of point shouting at them *after* you hit them,
>is there?  (Although "get a life" does seem strangely appropriate).

Oh, c'mon, I wouldn't kill a cyclist outright, that would be very bad. I
like to see some suffering first.

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PESO: Hydra, Greece

[Jens Bladt]

As I was looking for an old focusing screen, that I wanted for adjusting the
focusing of my latest camera purchase - an old English folding camera, I
came across some old 6x6 slides:
This one was done with a Rolleiflex 3.5F. Perhaps the best camera I have
ever owned:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/288739731/

The old English camera now focuses correctly, I believe:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594360116071/

Regards
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PESO: Hydra, Greece

[Jens Bladt]

As I was looking for an old focusing screen, that I wanted for adjusting the
focusing of my latest camera purchase - an old English folding camera, I
came across some old 6x6 slides:
This one was done with a Rolleiflex 3.5F. Perhaps the best camera I have
ever owned:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/288739731/

The old English camera now focuses correctly, I believe:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594360116071/

Regards
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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Tom C]

OK.  That being the case, how is adjusting the exposure of a .PEF file after 
the fact different than doing it in camera?  I realize there *is a* 
difference because a .PEF file is not really raw, and obviously the sensor 
gain is out of the picture.  What *is* the difference?

Maybe I don't really care about the technical details as long as the results 
are what I want

Tom C.



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>On Sat, 4 Nov 2006, Tom C wrote:
> > If I take a RAW .PEF file and adjust exposure -1 and +1 stop, saving 
>each as
> > another .PEF in Adobe Camera Raw, would that not for all intents and
> > purposes, be the same as having taken three separate exposures at 
>-1/0/+1 ?
>
>It is different.  Adjusting the exposure in camera is similar to changing
>the ISO.  Changing the ISO in camera is done at the A/D conversion stage.
>
>Some high ISO settings such as ISO 3200 for the D80 are exceptions.  In
>this case, it was pure digital post-processing (and not done at A/D
>stage).  That's why in D80, they called it Hi 1.0 setting instead of
>calling it ISO 3200, and not available in Auto ISO range.   And you can
>achieve the same "ISO 3200" by taking the photos at ISO1600 with EV -1,
>and then adjusting the exposure +1 in the RAW files.
>
>So if you reach the limit of the ISO range, e.g. ISO 1600 in K10D, then
>the +1 in camera would be no different than the +1 in PEF file.
>
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Re: Adults on bicycles

[John Francis]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 03:42:11PM +, Cotty wrote:
> On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >absolutely. So next time you see a cyclist (are there any in Oxford?)
> >it's your duty to shout "Get a life, loser!".
> 
> This before I hit them with the vehicle or after ?  ;-)

There's not a lot of point shouting at them *after* you hit them,
is there?  (Although "get a life" does seem strangely appropriate).


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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Lawrence Kwan]

On Sat, 4 Nov 2006, Tom C wrote:
> If I take a RAW .PEF file and adjust exposure -1 and +1 stop, saving each as
> another .PEF in Adobe Camera Raw, would that not for all intents and
> purposes, be the same as having taken three separate exposures at -1/0/+1 ?

It is different.  Adjusting the exposure in camera is similar to changing 
the ISO.  Changing the ISO in camera is done at the A/D conversion stage.

Some high ISO settings such as ISO 3200 for the D80 are exceptions.  In 
this case, it was pure digital post-processing (and not done at A/D 
stage).  That's why in D80, they called it Hi 1.0 setting instead of 
calling it ISO 3200, and not available in Auto ISO range.   And you can 
achieve the same "ISO 3200" by taking the photos at ISO1600 with EV -1, 
and then adjusting the exposure +1 in the RAW files.

So if you reach the limit of the ISO range, e.g. ISO 1600 in K10D, then 
the +1 in camera would be no different than the +1 in PEF file.



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Re: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?

[Don Williams]

Read your instruction book -- it's all there.

D

Stephen D'Andrea wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> I've got what must be a speck of dust on the sensor of my istDS.
> I've done a bit of research about how to remove it and the potential  
> pitfalls.
>
> What I really need to know first though, is . . . how do you get to  
> the sensor? I'd feel better if I could at least see where the dust  
> might be.
>
> When I remove the lens and carefully lift up the mirror what I see is  
> the blades of the shutter, not the sensor.
>
> Since I've only been shooting digital since June of this year, I keep  
> fighting the impulse to open the back of the camera.
>
> I await enlightenment from those so inclined.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Stephen
>
>   


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Re: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Stephen D'Andrea"
Subject: Sensor cleaning tips anyone?


> Greetings all,
>
> I've got what must be a speck of dust on the sensor of my istDS.
> I've done a bit of research about how to remove it and the potential
> pitfalls.
>
> What I really need to know first though, is . . . how do you get to
> the sensor? I'd feel better if I could at least see where the dust
> might be.
>
> When I remove the lens and carefully lift up the mirror what I see is
> the blades of the shutter, not the sensor.
>
> Since I've only been shooting digital since June of this year, I keep
> fighting the impulse to open the back of the camera.
>
> I await enlightenment from those so inclined.
>

This is one of those read the owners manual questions. Pull out the book 
and educate thyself.

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Brendan MacRae]

The Brotherhood welcomes you!

-Brendan

--- David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I went to a different camera store today that I
> visit a couple times a
> year, just browsing, & walked out with this
> (~200kb):
> 
> 
> 
> ...plus some film & chemicals.
> 
> Damn you all and your enablement 
> 
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Sensor cleaning tips anyone?

[Stephen D'Andrea]

Greetings all,

I've got what must be a speck of dust on the sensor of my istDS.
I've done a bit of research about how to remove it and the potential  
pitfalls.

What I really need to know first though, is . . . how do you get to  
the sensor? I'd feel better if I could at least see where the dust  
might be.

When I remove the lens and carefully lift up the mirror what I see is  
the blades of the shutter, not the sensor.

Since I've only been shooting digital since June of this year, I keep  
fighting the impulse to open the back of the camera.

I await enlightenment from those so inclined.

Thanks.

-Stephen

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Re: OT: Wacom Graphire pen

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

the wacom mouse limits me to the tablet area. I find that extremely 
awkward. I use a a bluetooth standard apple mouse and can use it whereever 
makes best sense for my wrist.

G
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:59:00 -0500 "Bob Shell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>On Nov 4, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>>  I use the
>> standard mouse for general pointing operations as I find the Wacom
>> mouse to be useless.
>
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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Toine]

Yes you can. PhotoMatix creates a HDR directly from a PEF file.
Toine

On 11/4/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I take a RAW .PEF file and adjust exposure -1 and +1 stop, saving each as
> another .PEF in Adobe Camera Raw, would that not for all intents and
> purposes, be the same as having taken three separate exposures at -1/0/+1 ?
>
> Could I conceivably then process the three as an HDR and get the same
> results and have the same flexibility in post-processing as if I took three
> exposures in-camera?
>
> Tom C.
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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Doug Miles]

Looks excellent, congratulations! Mirror lockup, meter prism, same older
105mm with rubber hood mine has. This should do a fine job for you.

There's a guy who has made wood+aluminum right-side handgrips for the 6x7
and 67 with a resulting effect similar to the 67II built-in grip. It
attaches to the two right-side strap lugs, and  he's sold them on eBay under
the name "inoyoon". I have not seen one listed for a while so maybe he's not
making them now.

FWIW here's mailing info for the maker:
Ino Yoon
48-20 196 Place
Fresh Meadows, New York 11365

On 11/04/06 00:19, "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple times a
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Re: Silly HDR Question

[Mat Maessen]

On 11/4/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I take a RAW .PEF file and adjust exposure -1 and +1 stop, saving each as
> another .PEF in Adobe Camera Raw, would that not for all intents and
> purposes, be the same as having taken three separate exposures at -1/0/+1 ?

Somewhat yes, somewhat no. Depends on what the highlights and shadow
areas in the picture look like.

To further explain:

1. Camera raw has some ability to "fudge" blown-out highlights. When
you go beyond the range of the digital sensor, you're always going to
lose some information. Camera raw attempts to put some of that back at
least. It's not perfect, but it can be enough to salvage a blown-out
shot.

2. On the shadow end of things, if the shadows are completely blocked
up (black), nothing is going to get you any more information out of
them. By "developing" in camera raw for the shadows, you may get
yourself image data that is easier to work with WRT shadow details
that are there.

The technique you are talking about is usable to a certain extent
though. If you have a high-contrast scene, it can be useful to save
time in post-processing, or to simply make things easier in the realm
of dodging and burning.  Remember though, if the information isn't
there in the original exposure, nothing is going to bring it back.

A VERY good primer on the subject is located here:
http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/pdfs/highlight_recovery.pdf

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RE: PESO - Finally...

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Bruce 

The rain has been nice, hasn't it.  Down here it was a warm rain which gave
the air a nice, clean, refreshing smell and washed the dust off the leaves.
I went out for a walk around 3:00am, and the early morning smells and
reflections of the lights from the trees, shrubbery, and buildings and
pavement was just lovely.

I find this photo a bit cliché and somewhat at odds with itself.  The
leaves and area surrounding the central area of the photo could, I think,
benefit from being sharper, if not front and back, than at least front or
back.  To my eye there's too much information.  Getting closer to the drops
and eliminating some of the surrounding area may give more strength to the
image.

Perhaps carrying a small tripod that can fit in your camera bag will allow
you to make such shots with greater DOF, or even less DOF where appropriate.

That Tamron is supposed to be a pretty good lens, isn't it?

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> Right after the first rain of the season.
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3846.htm
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Re: OT: Wacom Graphire pen

[Bob Shell]

On Nov 4, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>  I use the
> standard mouse for general pointing operations as I find the Wacom
> mouse to be useless.

Why?  Just curious because I use and much prefer the Wacom mouse.

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Silly HDR Question

[Tom C]

If I take a RAW .PEF file and adjust exposure -1 and +1 stop, saving each as 
another .PEF in Adobe Camera Raw, would that not for all intents and 
purposes, be the same as having taken three separate exposures at -1/0/+1 ?

Could I conceivably then process the three as an HDR and get the same 
results and have the same flexibility in post-processing as if I took three 
exposures in-camera?

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Scott Loveless]

On 11/4/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Real photographers use film".  ;-)
>
Real photographs require it.



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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Tom C]

"Real photographers use film".  ;-)

Tom C.

>From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:45:38 +0800
>
>On 11/4/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Welcome Brother David.
>
>Thank you Brother Tom
>
> > I think I will get mine out today.  Velvia has been waiting in the
> > refrigerator long enough.
>
>After the B&W that I'm hoping to shoot & develop tomorrow, slide film
>is the next on my list.
>
>The funny thing about this is I've never actually shot medium format.
>35mm, 4x5" & digital, but never MF. It should be fun.
>
>Cheers,
>
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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Savage]

On 11/4/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, it even takes CF's and microdrives.  There's plenty of openings big
> enough to store those things in a 67.

I was thinking the same thing, but I'd be afraid of never finding the
cards again.

:-)

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Savage]

On 11/4/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOL I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

I reckon I will. It's a pre B-day present to myself. (The K10D will
hopefully be the pre-xmas present ;-)

> Looks good! Pentax 6x7s ae sure huge though. I remember my friend
> Allison, way back in 1983 or so ... She was five foot 3 and hung a
> 6x7 around her neck. It looked like a cartoon of a little kid and a
> HUGE camera.
>
> I'm more drawn to the Pentax 645s.

It's a big beast, no doubt. But, I'm of the opinion if your going to
shoot MF you might as well go for the big'n.

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Savage]

On 11/4/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Welcome Brother David.

Thank you Brother Tom

> I think I will get mine out today.  Velvia has been waiting in the
> refrigerator long enough.

After the B&W that I'm hoping to shoot & develop tomorrow, slide film
is the next on my list.

The funny thing about this is I've never actually shot medium format.
35mm, 4x5" & digital, but never MF. It should be fun.

Cheers,

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Savage]

Thank you Brother William.

:-)

Dave


On 11/4/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Savage"
> Subject: I've been a naughty boy...
>
>
> >I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple times a
> > year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):
> >
> > 
> >
> > ...plus some film & chemicals.
> >
> > Damn you all and your enablement 
>
> Welcome, Brother David.
>
> Brother William.

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Savage]

Thanks Paul.

It's in beautiful condition. Only on small area of brassing just below
the shutter speed dial. Aside from that there isn't a mark or scratch
on it.

Hopefully there's better light tomorrow so I can put a roll of B&W through it.

Dave.



On 11/4/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good one. Looks to be in nice shape, and it has mirror lock up. Have
> fun.
> On Nov 4, 2006, at 3:19 AM, David Savage wrote:
>
> > I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple times a
> > year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):
> >
> > 
> >
> > ...plus some film & chemicals.
> >
> > Damn you all and your enablement 
> >
> > Dave

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

It is amusing that a new step has been added to the standard for film  
cameras ... "defrost the film" ... ;-)

I wonder how much MF film I have left in the freezer?

Godfrey

On Nov 4, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Tom C wrote:

> ... I think I will get mine out today.  Velvia has been waiting in the
> refrigerator long enough.


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Re: Adults on bicycles

[Cotty]

On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>absolutely. So next time you see a cyclist (are there any in Oxford?)
>it's your duty to shout "Get a life, loser!".

This before I hit them with the vehicle or after ?  ;-)

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[David Savage]

Har!

I've been looking for the CF card slot all day ;-)

Dave

On 11/4/06, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Does it take SD cards?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Tom C]

Yes, it even takes CF's and microdrives.  There's plenty of openings big 
enough to store those things in a 67.

Tom C.




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>Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 01:46:35 -0800
>
>
>Does it take SD cards?
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Brian
>
>++
>Brian Walters
>Western Sydney Australia
>
>
>Quoting David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple
> > times a
> > year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):
> >
> > 
> >
> > plus some film & chemicals.
> >
> > Damn you all and your enablement 
>
>
>
>
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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Tom C]

Welcome Brother David.

I think I will get mine out today.  Velvia has been waiting in the 
refrigerator long enough.

Tom C.




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>
>- Original Message -
>From: "David Savage"
>Subject: I've been a naughty boy...
>
>
> >I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple times a
> > year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):
> >
> > 
> >
> > ...plus some film & chemicals.
> >
> > Damn you all and your enablement 
>
>Welcome, Brother David.
>
>Brother William.
>
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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 4, 2006, at 12:19 AM, David Savage wrote:

> I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple times a
> year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):
>
> 
>
> ...plus some film & chemicals.
>
> Damn you all and your enablement 

LOL I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

Looks good! Pentax 6x7s ae sure huge though. I remember my friend  
Allison, way back in 1983 or so ... She was five foot 3 and hung a  
6x7 around her neck. It looked like a cartoon of a little kid and a  
HUGE camera.

I'm more drawn to the Pentax 645s.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - Finally...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 3, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Pentax *istD, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro, Handheld
> ISO 400, 1/90 sec @ f/8.0
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3846.htm

Nice one, Bruce. :-)

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Re: PESO - Finally...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton"
Subject: PESO - Finally...


> Right after the first rain of the season.
> 
> 
> Pentax *istD, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro, Handheld
> ISO 400, 1/90 sec @ f/8.0
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3846.htm
> 
> Comments welcome

You need to start carrying a small tripod with you.
This shot would benefit from more depth of field.
Great concept though.

William Robb


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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage" 
Subject: I've been a naughty boy...


>I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple times a
> year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):
> 
> 
> 
> ...plus some film & chemicals.
> 
> Damn you all and your enablement 

Welcome, Brother David.

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Re: OT: Wacom Graphire pen

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 3, 2006, at 9:53 PM, David Mann wrote:

> On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:
>
>> Does anyone use a pen for photoediting in the computer, please?
>
> I started with a 4x5 tablet but ended up buying a newer-model 12x9
> when the old one started picking up electromagnetic interference from
> my second CRT screen.  The larger size also gave me better
> flexibility with my dual-screen setup (I purchased just before the
> new wide-aspect models came out).
>
>> Is a a wortwhile investment?
>
> Yes, but you might prefer the more expensive Intuos as the pen is
> more comfortable.  The pens are far easier to control than a mouse,
> and the pressure-sensitivity is a feature I could no longer do  
> without.

I use a Wacom Intuos3. Not a huge one. The pen interface is  
particularly useful to me when I'm making a precise selection or when  
I'm brushing in a correction on an adjustment layer. I use the  
standard mouse for general pointing operations as I find the Wacom  
mouse to be useless.

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Paul Stenquist]

Good one. Looks to be in nice shape, and it has mirror lock up. Have 
fun.
On Nov 4, 2006, at 3:19 AM, David Savage wrote:

> I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple times a
> year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):
>
> 
>
> ...plus some film & chemicals.
>
> Damn you all and your enablement 
>
> Dave
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Re: Adults on bicycles

[Scott Loveless]

Looks like I'm better off cycling without my helmet than I am sitting
here on my fat ass reading PDML mail.Conversely, here in the
States fishing is often a very relaxing endeavour.  Depending on the
fisherman he may decided to sit on a bank, take a boat ride, or wade
out into a stream with a fly rod.  What the heck are you guys over
there doing to make it so dangerous?  Drive by casting?

On 11/4/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of frank theriault
>
> [...]
> >
> > However, they offer a greatly increased chance of survival and/or
> > minimization of brain injury in a surprisingly large number of
> > collisions.  I can think of at least three occasions when my head
> hit
> > the pavement with enough impact that, were I not wearing a helmet,
> I'd
> > have almost certainly suffered at least a severe concussion.  That
> > includes my (helmeted) forehead smacking the pavement after flying
> > over the front of my handlebars, another occasion where I landed on
> my
> > back and the back of my head whipped into a streetcar rail, and my
> > most recent collision (last October, when I broke my collarbone)
> where
> > my temple hit the ground (cracking the helmet), then my face slid
> > along the pavement, giving me the coolest roadrash on my cheek.  The
> > kids were most impressed!
> >
> > My point is that for each of these incidents, me helmet did the job
> > that it was designed to do, and that without each of those helmets,
> my
> > injuries would have likely been severe.
> >
> > So, whatever helmets can or can't do, my personal experience is
> that,
> > while there are obviously no guarantees, they are extremely
> effective
> > in preventing head injuries.
>
> [...]
>
> I know it probably seems as though I'm banging on about this, but
> there is an almost unquestioned assumption, and storms of propaganda,
> claiming that cycle helmets are effective. However, the evidence does
> not support this, or is at best equivocal, and governments get away
> with compulsion and erosion of your rights as adults to a free choice.
> People need to know the arguments & facts on both sides.
>
> http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html?1019
>
> The first references in that article are quite interesting.
>
> Strangely enough, cycling is safer than living! Here is a page full of
> statistical tables about relative risk. It says "The promotion of
> cycle helmets portrays cycling as an especially risky activity, but
> examination of comparative risk data reveals otherwise. It transpires
> that cycling is in fact one of the safest ways to spend one's time. As
> well as being safer than the obvious high-risk sports such as
> climbing, it is also much safer than more 'ordinary' sports such as
> football, swimming or fishing and, indeed, safer than general 'living'
> (the net outcome of all causes of death). "
>
> http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html?1026
>
> Anyway, there it is. You're all bright enough to make your own
> decisions (where your government generously allows you the choice), so
> I'll shut up now.
>
> Here's a picture of somebody engaged in a dangerous activity:
> http://www.cannsdownpress.co.uk/d28.htm
>
> and an early attempt (failed) to invent the bicycle:
> http://www.cannsdownpress.co.uk/d61.htm
>
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>  Bob
>
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Re: Wacom Graphire pen

[Bob Shell]

On Nov 3, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Alan Chan wrote:

>> Does anyone use a pen for photoediting in the computer, please?
>> Is a a wortwhile investment?
>
> I use a 4x5" Graphire for Photoshop. It works great but the pen is  
> a little
> fragile (mine cracked at the joint so I duct taped it). Not sure  
> how much
> better Intuos will be with its double resolution.

I use the 4 X 5 Graphire with its cordless mouse as my regular mouse  
for everything and switch to the pen for detail work in Photoshop.  I  
have owned larger ones, but found they weren't that much better for  
Photoshop and just used up too much "real estate" on my desk.  When I  
decided to go back to the 4 X 5, I picked up a like new one on eBay  
for $ 25.  There are usually a number of them for sale there at any  
given time.

Bob

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Re: Compact point and shoots - Optio A20?

[Margus Männik]

Hi,

everything depends on what something is compared to. Compared to SLR, 
nearly every P&S is a  snail. Big "internet reviewers" tend to write the 
reviews on absolute base, i.e. literally they compare low-end compacts 
with high-end SLRs. In my opinion, that sucks. Basically I could also 
write about every P&S (and most of SLRs) that those are useless crap - 
buy Hasselblad or quit taking pictures :) BS you say? Agreed... this is 
why I last year switched to something  like head-to-head reviews of more 
or less similar models. It is not easy as Estonia is a small market and 
it is quite difficult to get suitable models every month, but I am still 
trying.
OK, we walked quite away from  Optio A10/20. Just now I am  reading my 
reviews of those ( I have also tried A10 when it came out). I complained 
about operation speed and jpeg-packing issue (strange - the files are 
nearly the same size as the ones from my 4MPix 43WR, despite the sensor 
is 8MPix. I do NOT believe in much better packing algorithms). A20 is 
not worse. Speed is an issue, but the camera is definitely not crappy in 
use. I've seen much worse cameras that have got much better reviews at 
Dpreview or Steves. For example, someone could explain me what's so 
wonderful in Canon 400D. It's in my table right now and I'm troubled to 
figure out my usual three "strong points"... It's SLR without spot 
metering, without comfortable way to connect to PC and it produces hazy 
images. The very same camera earned "Highly Recommended" from Dpreview.
 
BR, Margus


Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

>Hi Bruce,
>
>Well, what bothered me was a strange unanimity in various reviews:
>
>>From Dpreview:
>"On the other hand it can be really, really annoying to use; by today's 
>standards shooting feels slow and unresponsive, and has a screen that can't be 
>seen at all in bright weather. Throw in the dismal battery life and total 
>unsuitability as a social 'party snaps' camera and you'd think this was a 
>camera you'd only recommend to someone with a masochistic streak, or someone 
>you really didn't like."
>
>>From DCResource:
>"Camera performance is undoubtedly the A10's weak spot. The camera is slow to 
>start up, there's noticeable shutter lag (especially with flash shots), and 
>shot-to-shot speeds are below average. Focusing speeds were about average, and 
>low light focusing was good thanks to the A10's AF-assist lamp. The camera's 
>continuous shooting mode was especially poor. While it will keep shooting 
>until you run out of memory, the 0.5 fps frame rate and blacked out LCD make 
>the feature almost useless. Battery life was well below average."
>
>>From Steves digicams:
>"Bottom line - While the Pentax Optio A10 offers some appealing features 
>(8-megapixels, Shake Reduction, etc.), the overall performance of this camera 
>in all areas was disappointing. It does have the ability to capture pleasing 
>photos that have enough resolution to create poster size prints. However, its 
>poor movie mode results and extremely slow shooting performance really bring 
>the model down."
>
>After this I concluded that performance was a real issue with this camera and, 
>thus, that it should be addressed in its replacement model. That is why I was 
>disappointed when Margus mentioned that the A20's was 'a little slow in 
>operation'. 
>
>Anyway I am glad to hear that, from your actual experience, you don't find it 
>that slow.
>
>Regards,
>Jaume
>
>- Mensaje original 
>De: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Enviado: viernes, 3 de noviembre, 2006 18:44:42
>Asunto: Re: Compact point and shoots - Optio A20?
>
>Hello Jaume,
>
>I'm curious - we have an A10 (my wife's) and have had many other
>P&S digitals from several manufacturers.  When compared with an SLR -
>they are all poor performance.  Can you specifically tell me what
>bothers you about the A10 vs many other compacts?
>
>  
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RE: Adults on bicycles

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Cotty
> Sent: 04 November 2006 10:19
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles
> 
> On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Strangely enough, cycling is safer than living!
> 
> Which begs the belief that cycling is not actually living.
> 
> -- 
> 

absolutely. So next time you see a cyclist (are there any in Oxford?)
it's your duty to shout "Get a life, loser!".

Bob


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Re: Adults on bicycles

[Cotty]

On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Strangely enough, cycling is safer than living!

Which begs the belief that cycling is not actually living.

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Re: I've been a naughty boy...

[Brian Walters]

Does it take SD cards?


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia


Quoting David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple
> times a
> year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):
> 
> 
> 
> plus some film & chemicals.
> 
> Damn you all and your enablement 




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RE: Adults on bicycles

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of frank theriault

[...]
> 
> However, they offer a greatly increased chance of survival and/or
> minimization of brain injury in a surprisingly large number of
> collisions.  I can think of at least three occasions when my head
hit
> the pavement with enough impact that, were I not wearing a helmet,
I'd
> have almost certainly suffered at least a severe concussion.  That
> includes my (helmeted) forehead smacking the pavement after flying
> over the front of my handlebars, another occasion where I landed on
my
> back and the back of my head whipped into a streetcar rail, and my
> most recent collision (last October, when I broke my collarbone)
where
> my temple hit the ground (cracking the helmet), then my face slid
> along the pavement, giving me the coolest roadrash on my cheek.  The
> kids were most impressed!
> 
> My point is that for each of these incidents, me helmet did the job
> that it was designed to do, and that without each of those helmets,
my
> injuries would have likely been severe.
> 
> So, whatever helmets can or can't do, my personal experience is
that,
> while there are obviously no guarantees, they are extremely
effective
> in preventing head injuries.

[...]

I know it probably seems as though I'm banging on about this, but
there is an almost unquestioned assumption, and storms of propaganda,
claiming that cycle helmets are effective. However, the evidence does
not support this, or is at best equivocal, and governments get away
with compulsion and erosion of your rights as adults to a free choice.
People need to know the arguments & facts on both sides.

http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html?1019

The first references in that article are quite interesting. 

Strangely enough, cycling is safer than living! Here is a page full of
statistical tables about relative risk. It says "The promotion of
cycle helmets portrays cycling as an especially risky activity, but
examination of comparative risk data reveals otherwise. It transpires
that cycling is in fact one of the safest ways to spend one's time. As
well as being safer than the obvious high-risk sports such as
climbing, it is also much safer than more 'ordinary' sports such as
football, swimming or fishing and, indeed, safer than general 'living'
(the net outcome of all causes of death). "

http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html?1026

Anyway, there it is. You're all bright enough to make your own
decisions (where your government generously allows you the choice), so
I'll shut up now.

Here's a picture of somebody engaged in a dangerous activity:
http://www.cannsdownpress.co.uk/d28.htm

and an early attempt (failed) to invent the bicycle:
http://www.cannsdownpress.co.uk/d61.htm

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I've been a naughty boy...

[David Savage]

I went to a different camera store today that I visit a couple times a
year, just browsing, & walked out with this (~200kb):



...plus some film & chemicals.

Damn you all and your enablement 

Dave

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