Re: test

[David Savage]

Nope, try again.

Dave

On 12/24/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> test

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test

[P. J. Alling]

test

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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[P. J. Alling]

>
> ...and beautiful people.
Obviously you've not seen the photos of the attendees, if you say that...

Tim Øsleby wrote:
> I've seen those pictures before, but I don't think I've told how much I like
> them. 
> This is my favourite http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601782.html
>
> I wish I had the funds to attend. It sounds like a kinder egg; beautiful
> nature, talking photography, and beautiful people. It is so tempting that I
> might do it some day.
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark
> Roberts
> Sent: 23. desember 2006 21:13
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)
>
> Walter Hamler wrote:
>
>   
>> Are most of the photo opportunities 
>> available from the hiking trails, etc?
>> 
>
> One of the great advantages of Grandfather Mountain is the variety of 
> photo locations available to people with widely varying abilities and 
> levels of fitness. There are a huge number of great photo spots just a 
> few steps away from a parking spot for your car. Many others just a 
> short (100 meters or so) away from parking areas (and on good trails), 
> as well as places where you have to undertake a couple of hours if 
> hiking over *tough* terrain. There's something for every ability.
>
> Here's one taken while standing *in* the parking lot at the top:
> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_11.htm
>
> This one is from just past the swinging bridge and less than 200m from 
> the parking lot:
> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_01.htm
> This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
> This one requires an overnight camp-out on the trail:
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601782.html
>
>   
>> I am not in the best of shape but can walk for upwards of an hour or so 
>> 
> as 
>   
>> long as I take it slow.
>> 
>
> You'll have lots of opportunities. And if all else fails, shoot flower 
> macros!
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601792.html
>
>
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Mmm about K100D / K10D upgrades ...

[Thibouille]

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=21362909

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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[P. J. Alling]

Small corporations are a bit different, Pentax showed all the hallmarks 
of being a small corporation.  Their image was tied up in their SLR 
heritage.  They used it instead of advertising.  Pentax was less likely 
to dispense with their camera business because of that image, they held 
onto it during lean times waiting them out.  Hoya will do what Konica 
did with their photo division much more readily.  If it makes money 
nothing much will change.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> No corporation, big or small has use for sentiment. You can be sure  
> that all Pentax decisions were motivated by profit potential, as they  
> will continue to be. Not to worry.
> Paul
> On Dec 23, 2006, at 7:42 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>   
>> Right now they're disappearing slowly, and the 645D will be replacing
>> the 645, big corporations have no use for such sentiment, only  
>> profits.
>>
>> Bob Shell wrote:
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2006, at 12:06 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 I expect that un-profitable or merely less than nominally profitable
 products to be discontinued.  That means that the medium format  
 lines
 will disappear quickly.

 
>>> I thought they had already announced that they were phasing out the
>>> medium format film products.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>   
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Re: *istD series vs K100D?

[Thibouille]

I'm not surprised :) but I dunno how JCO would use it...

2006/12/23, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I don't think in jpeg. i've never shot one with a Pentax digital camera.
> Paul
> On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Thibouille wrote:
>
> > Actually the JPEG processing of the K100D is more near other brands
> > and JPEGs from K10D are more neat ist serie AFAICT.
> >
> > 2006/12/23, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> *ist series and K100 image quality should be virtually identical,
> >> since the sensor is the same, and I suspect the processing engine is
> >> similar as well. The *istD has better build quality than the K100,
> >> but the write speed is slower and I think the buffer is smaller as
> >> well. The *istDS write speed and buffer are comparable to the K100D I
> >> believe. The K10D is a completely different story with faster write
> >> speed, larger buffer and higher resolution.
> >> Paul
> >> On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:57 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have heard a lot of comparisons of
> >>> the *istD series cameras with the K10D.
> >>> I am curious though, other than the
> >>> "SR" system, how do these K100 series
> >>> cameras compare to the *istD cameras
> >>> in image quality?
> >>>
> >>> Essentially the same?
> >>>
> >>> jco
> >>>
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Re: PAW 2006 - 43 - GDG

[Paul Stenquist]

Interesting pic, very well rendered. The bleed out of frame on the  
upper sign doesn't feel quite right to me.
Paul
On Dec 23, 2006, at 11:04 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Crossing New Mexico from Roswell to I-25 North, you pass through some
> mighty entertaining lands ...
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/43.htm
>
> Somehow, the juxtaposition of these two signs just tweaked my
> thoughts. :-)
>
> Comments, critique, flames always appreciated.
>
> best,
> Godfrey
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PAW 2006 - 43 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Crossing New Mexico from Roswell to I-25 North, you pass through some  
mighty entertaining lands ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/43.htm

Somehow, the juxtaposition of these two signs just tweaked my  
thoughts. :-)

Comments, critique, flames always appreciated.

best,
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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Tim Øsleby]

May I ask a question in return? 
Suffering from a guilt complex, are you? 

No reason being sarcastic on my behalf simply because you disagree. 

Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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Ah, suffering from a bit of a god complex, are you? We must be causing 
the world to do this and that? Got news, the world is going to do 
whatever the world wants to do, including exterminating mankind. We do 
not have the power you are imagining we do.

But I guess it helps to feel like someone somewhere is in control. 
However, I have come to terms with the fact that I am insignificant.



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> Seriously I find the weather situation a lot more disturbing, than the
idea
> of a converted Knarf. In the north it is raining and the desserts are
> growing faster than ever. 
> 
> I am convinced we need to take a grip on this. It is a lot more dangerous
> than terrorists. Mother earth is suffering, if we don't act soon, the
> process could accelerate out of control. This scares the shit out of me.

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

[David Mann]

On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:17 AM, graywolf wrote:

> Yes, and drivers used to tell me they liked the blinky light on the  
> back
> of my bike, it gave them something to am at. Which brings up the
> question, are you more likely to get hit by someone who did not see  
> you,
> or somebody who did and claims afterward that they did not?

There's a fine line between making yourself noticed and being  
distracting.

- Dave



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RE: Determining a Focal Length

[J. C. O'Connell]

No trig. is needed for this kind of calculation.
If you know object size and distance, then all you
need to know is that the object distance/object size = focal
length/sensor size.
Solving the equation, focal length needed = (object distance/object
size) * (sensor size in mm)
jco

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On 12/24/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you need the angle of view more than field of view.  the 
> formula for AOV is
>
> AOF = 2*tan^(-1)/(F/2*f) where F is the size of the sensor f is the 
> focal length.  You'll have to use some algebra to rearrange the terms 
> to solve for "f".  I'm just feeling too lazy...

f = B / (2xtan(AOF / 2))

I got it from here:



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Re: ot: HELP! re NEtscape 7.0

[graywolf]

Think of them meaning "more", and "less"

ann sanfedele wrote:
> Eureka! - you muse correctly ---
> who would have though a - sign would indicate you can see the folders 
> and a + not...
> 
> what is most likely is that I clicked on a keyboard equivalent of those 
> tags as I stumble over
> the keys unless, of course, there is not keyboard equivalent.
> 
> Merry Christmas!
> 
> ann
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> 
>> I wonder if you clicked on the small - or + that is to the left of the 
>> icon for "inbox"?  It is connected to the other folder icons by a dotted 
>> line.  If an icon has a + to the left of it, it means that there are 
>> subfolders in that folder but they are not displayed.  The - means that 
>> the subfolders are displayed.  Click on the + and the subs pop into 
>> view, click on the - and they disappear.  Sound familiar?
>>
>> Clicking on total should do nothing; clicking on the grid box on the 
>> right of those headers brings up the list of potential headers with the 
>> active ones ticked.
>>
>>  
>>
>>> mike wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 ann sanfedele wrote:



  

> Oh great, now I was futzing around trying to set up a sub filter under 
> PDML folder for GFM on this new
> computer and suddenly all the mail in all the folders except my main 
> inbox folder disappeared.
>
> I'm using Netscape 7.0
>
> also,
>
> The inbox is under my annsan on nyc.rr.com folder
> and I really wanted ALL my mail in the local mail box...
>
> any ideas?  
>
> Did I really delete all that mail by accident ? or is it there and hiding?
>
> TIA
>
> ann
>
>
>  
>
>
>
 If you accidentally click on the vertical line between the "folders" 
 pane and the message list pane, it will move completely to the left, 
 making the "folders" pane invisible.  Is that what you mean?  If you go 
 to the extreme left of the message list pane, as your cursor comes over 
 the vertical "wall", it will light up.  Click on it and the wall will 
 move right, bringing the "folders" pane back on the screen.



  

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> 
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Re: Determining a Focal Length

[David Savage]

On 12/24/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you need the angle of view more than field of view.  the formula
> for AOV is
>
> AOF = 2*tan^(-1)/(F/2*f) where F is the size of the sensor f is the
> focal length.  You'll have to use some algebra to rearrange the terms to
> solve for "f".  I'm just feeling too lazy...

f = B / (2xtan(AOF / 2))

I got it from here:



Dave (also too lazy to work it out)

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Re: Pentax glass

[graywolf]

Well, you can always say you didn't make any bets about what Hoya would 
make.


Cotty wrote:
> On 23/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> It could also be an idea to keep an eye on Cotty. If he prepares to eat his
>> hat, the market is going up.
> 
> At this moment in time my official prediction is 75% chance that Pentax
> will never release a 35mm-style DSLR with a sensor at or around 36X24mm.
> I guess that means there's a 25% chance I'll need some salt and pepper
> for a small cloth object that keeps my head warm :-)
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Re: Season's greeting

[Paul Stenquist]

Wow! Stan wants me to have a 645D. I think that constitutes  
enablement. Be right back. I have to tell my wife.
Paul
On Dec 23, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

> Merry Christmas or the equivalent best wishes for a happy holiday in
> whatever tradition you follow! And may Santa,(or good fortune, lady
> luck, or some other amorphous representation of our irrepressible
> belief  that good things will happen to us if we are deserving)  
> deliver
> to you real soon now a K100, K10, P645D or other necessary toy.
>
> Stan
> (Waiting, with low expectations, for a new lens Christmas morning...)
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Re: Merry Christmas

[David Savage]

On 12/24/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 23/12/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >I know you're gone,  but same to you Frank.
>
> mark!

I love out of context quotes :-)

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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[graywolf]

He did not write DC-3, Cotty.


Cotty wrote:
> On 23/12/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Last time I checked, it was a DC-4 that refueled in Resolute Bay
> 
> Cool - I love Dakotas. Real butch stuff.
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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[David Savage]

Har!

Dave

On 12/24/06, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, learn to speak 'Merican if you're gonna come over here!
> None of this 'I'm gonna have some tinnies with my mates.'
> Regards,  Bob S. :-)
>
> On 12/23/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 12/23/06, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > They are really very cordial.
> >
> > What, sickly sweet, and if you have too much, make you hyper?
> >
> > Dave

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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[graywolf]

But whatever you guys do, do not let Doug and Nicko talk you in to going 
GeoCacheing.



Mark Roberts wrote:
> Cotty wrote:
> 
>> On 23/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
>>> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
>> Yes please. Put me down for one of those Mark !
> 
> For anyone else interested, on the Saturday afternoon of the GFM Nature 
> Photography Weekend I am going to lead an unofficial hike to Attic 
> Window Peak on the mountain. Open to anyone who's interested in coming. 
> Frank's done it with me in the past so it can't be that difficult ;-)
> 
> Grandfather Mountain consists of a fairly long ridge with four distinct 
> peaks. Linville Peak, the lowest of the four, is the one at the end of 
> the road up the mountain. You drive there to get onto the Grandfather 
> Mountain trail, which follows the ridge to the other three peaks. The 
> first half mile is moderate in difficulty but after that it gets fairly 
> tough: There are sections that would require ropes, harnesses and 
> technical climbing experience if it weren't for the ladders bolted to 
> the rock face. Not for people who are out of shape or who have any fear 
> of heights.
> 
> The first peak you come, about a mile out on the trail, is MacRae Peak. 
> 3rd highest peak on the mountain. The peak itself is a house-sized 
> boulder which is accessed via one of the aforementioned ladders. You 
> can bypass the peak itself and continue on the trail if you like. The 
> climb up to the top of the peak is a bit scary but the view is 
> spectacular (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm)
> 
> About half a mile farther on is Attic Window Peak. Still tough going on 
> the trail: Some exposed ladder climbing and a spot where you have to 
> shimmy through a crack between a cliff face and a large-building-sized 
> boulder. Might be worrying if you get claustrophobic. The last part of 
> the trail up to Attic Window is through a chute full of rocks/boulders 
> of varying sizes (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_13.htm - looking 
> down from the top... in appalling weather). Definitely upper class-4 
> scrambling. As you climb up through this chute there is a cave on your 
> left that goes all the way through (about 20 ft) where you can sit on a 
> shelf on the side of another cliff face. Frank and I did that and got 
> some great shots. This is the destination of my Saturday afternoon 
> excursion.
> 
> On the Thursday night before the weekend officially begins, I hike out 
> all the way to Calloway Peak, the fourth and highest peak on the 
> mountain, and camp out for the night to get sunset and sunrise photos. 
> This is a good mile past Attic Window and really quite strenuous when 
> carrying a backpack loaded with tent, sleeping bag, camera gear and 
> other supplies, but it's worth it :) Anyone who'll be there on Thursday 
> and is willing and able to make the trip is welcome to come along.
> 
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Season's greeting

[Stan Halpin]

Merry Christmas or the equivalent best wishes for a happy holiday in 
whatever tradition you follow! And may Santa,(or good fortune, lady 
luck, or some other amorphous representation of our irrepressible 
belief  that good things will happen to us if we are deserving) deliver 
to you real soon now a K100, K10, P645D or other necessary toy.

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[graywolf]

Ah, suffering from a bit of a god complex, are you? We must be causing 
the world to do this and that? Got news, the world is going to do 
whatever the world wants to do, including exterminating mankind. We do 
not have the power you are imagining we do.

But I guess it helps to feel like someone somewhere is in control. 
However, I have come to terms with the fact that I am insignificant.



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> Seriously I find the weather situation a lot more disturbing, than the idea
> of a converted Knarf. In the north it is raining and the desserts are
> growing faster than ever. 
> 
> I am convinced we need to take a grip on this. It is a lot more dangerous
> than terrorists. Mother earth is suffering, if we don't act soon, the
> process could accelerate out of control. This scares the shit out of me.

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Re: Pentax glass

[Stan Halpin]

j, I am surprised you have no A100/2.8 macro. I have one if you are 
looking to expand your collection of the best Pentax glass...I also 
note you have nothing less than 10-15 years old. I have a few newer 
lenses for sale.


On Dec 23, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Stan


> j are you serious or pulling out legs?
>
> A135/1.8 - $1,500+
> A15/3.5 - $650+
> K18/3.5 - $350+
> A16/2.8 fisheye - $350+?
> A200/4 Macro - $1,100+
> K1000/11 Reflex - ??$750+??
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Couple others I have are 135 F1.8, 15 F3.5, 18
>> F3.5, 16 F2.8 fish, 17 F4.0 fish, 200 F4.0 macro,
>> 1000mm mirror..What do you think they are worth ? Thanks
>>
>> At 02:54 PM 12/23/06, you wrote:
>>> Bob, you're not helping here:-)).
>>> Paul
>>> On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>
 A85/1.4 - $1,000+  or  FA85/1.4 - $750
 K200/2.5 - $500+
 A200/2.8 - $750+
 A300/2.8 - $1,500+
 M300/4 - $500+
 A50/1.2 - $350+
 K105/2.8 - $250+

 Totals something more than US$5,000 I would guess...
 Regards, Bob S.

 On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, what is a 85 f1.4, 200 F2.5, 200 F2.8, 300
> F2.8, 300 F4.0 M, 50 F1.2. 105 F 2.5 worth. These
> are some of my many pieces of glass that comes to
> me without looking in the boxes ???
>
>
> At 02:50 PM 12/22/06, you wrote:
>> Dave show some compassion to a brother in distress. Jay I'll
>> offer you
>> £100 sterling although obviously at that price you would have to 
>> pay
>> the postage!
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 12/22/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> What have you got?
>>>
>>> I may be interested in taking some of it off your hands, It
>>> shouldn't
>>> be worth much. I'd say AU$100 for the lot
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 12/22/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 SO what does everyone think, is it time to unload all my high 
 end
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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Stan Halpin]

True, and I am in reasonably good shape. Or was at the time. It must 
have been the altitude...

Stan

On Dec 23, 2006, at 8:19 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Mark,
> I think Stan will attest to the strenuous nature of the ropes, chains,
> and ladders.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On 12/23/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Cotty wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of 
 heights!):
 http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
>>>
>>> Yes please. Put me down for one of those Mark !
>>
>> For anyone else interested, on the Saturday afternoon of the GFM 
>> Nature
>> Photography Weekend I am going to lead an unofficial hike to Attic
>> Window Peak on the mountain. Open to anyone who's interested in 
>> coming.
>> Frank's done it with me in the past so it can't be that difficult ;-)
>>
>> Grandfather Mountain consists of a fairly long ridge with four 
>> distinct
>> peaks. Linville Peak, the lowest of the four, is the one at the end of
>> the road up the mountain. You drive there to get onto the Grandfather
>> Mountain trail, which follows the ridge to the other three peaks. The
>> first half mile is moderate in difficulty but after that it gets 
>> fairly
>> tough: There are sections that would require ropes, harnesses and
>> technical climbing experience if it weren't for the ladders bolted to
>> the rock face. Not for people who are out of shape or who have any 
>> fear
>> of heights.
>>
>> The first peak you come, about a mile out on the trail, is MacRae 
>> Peak.
>> 3rd highest peak on the mountain. The peak itself is a house-sized
>> boulder which is accessed via one of the aforementioned ladders. You
>> can bypass the peak itself and continue on the trail if you like. The
>> climb up to the top of the peak is a bit scary but the view is
>> spectacular (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm)
>>
>> About half a mile farther on is Attic Window Peak. Still tough going 
>> on
>> the trail: Some exposed ladder climbing and a spot where you have to
>> shimmy through a crack between a cliff face and a large-building-sized
>> boulder. Might be worrying if you get claustrophobic. The last part of
>> the trail up to Attic Window is through a chute full of rocks/boulders
>> of varying sizes (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_13.htm - 
>> looking
>> down from the top... in appalling weather). Definitely upper class-4
>> scrambling. As you climb up through this chute there is a cave on your
>> left that goes all the way through (about 20 ft) where you can sit on 
>> a
>> shelf on the side of another cliff face. Frank and I did that and got
>> some great shots. This is the destination of my Saturday afternoon
>> excursion.
>>
>> On the Thursday night before the weekend officially begins, I hike out
>> all the way to Calloway Peak, the fourth and highest peak on the
>> mountain, and camp out for the night to get sunset and sunrise photos.
>> This is a good mile past Attic Window and really quite strenuous when
>> carrying a backpack loaded with tent, sleeping bag, camera gear and
>> other supplies, but it's worth it :) Anyone who'll be there on 
>> Thursday
>> and is willing and able to make the trip is welcome to come along.
>>
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RE: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Tim Øsleby]

I've seen those pictures before, but I don't think I've told how much I like
them. 
This is my favourite http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601782.html

I wish I had the funds to attend. It sounds like a kinder egg; beautiful
nature, talking photography, and beautiful people. It is so tempting that I
might do it some day.


Tim
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Walter Hamler wrote:

>Are most of the photo opportunities 
>available from the hiking trails, etc?

One of the great advantages of Grandfather Mountain is the variety of 
photo locations available to people with widely varying abilities and 
levels of fitness. There are a huge number of great photo spots just a 
few steps away from a parking spot for your car. Many others just a 
short (100 meters or so) away from parking areas (and on good trails), 
as well as places where you have to undertake a couple of hours if 
hiking over *tough* terrain. There's something for every ability.

Here's one taken while standing *in* the parking lot at the top:
http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_11.htm

This one is from just past the swinging bridge and less than 200m from 
the parking lot:
http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_01.htm
This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
This one requires an overnight camp-out on the trail:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601782.html

>I am not in the best of shape but can walk for upwards of an hour or so 
as 
>long as I take it slow.

You'll have lots of opportunities. And if all else fails, shoot flower 
macros!
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601792.html


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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[Paul Stenquist]

No corporation, big or small has use for sentiment. You can be sure  
that all Pentax decisions were motivated by profit potential, as they  
will continue to be. Not to worry.
Paul
On Dec 23, 2006, at 7:42 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> Right now they're disappearing slowly, and the 645D will be replacing
> the 645, big corporations have no use for such sentiment, only  
> profits.
>
> Bob Shell wrote:
>> On Dec 23, 2006, at 12:06 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I expect that un-profitable or merely less than nominally profitable
>>> products to be discontinued.  That means that the medium format  
>>> lines
>>> will disappear quickly.
>>>
>>
>> I thought they had already announced that they were phasing out the
>> medium format film products.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Bob Sullivan]

Mark,
I think Stan will attest to the strenuous nature of the ropes, chains,
and ladders.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/23/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cotty wrote:
>
> >On 23/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >>This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
> >>http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
> >
> >Yes please. Put me down for one of those Mark !
>
> For anyone else interested, on the Saturday afternoon of the GFM Nature
> Photography Weekend I am going to lead an unofficial hike to Attic
> Window Peak on the mountain. Open to anyone who's interested in coming.
> Frank's done it with me in the past so it can't be that difficult ;-)
>
> Grandfather Mountain consists of a fairly long ridge with four distinct
> peaks. Linville Peak, the lowest of the four, is the one at the end of
> the road up the mountain. You drive there to get onto the Grandfather
> Mountain trail, which follows the ridge to the other three peaks. The
> first half mile is moderate in difficulty but after that it gets fairly
> tough: There are sections that would require ropes, harnesses and
> technical climbing experience if it weren't for the ladders bolted to
> the rock face. Not for people who are out of shape or who have any fear
> of heights.
>
> The first peak you come, about a mile out on the trail, is MacRae Peak.
> 3rd highest peak on the mountain. The peak itself is a house-sized
> boulder which is accessed via one of the aforementioned ladders. You
> can bypass the peak itself and continue on the trail if you like. The
> climb up to the top of the peak is a bit scary but the view is
> spectacular (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm)
>
> About half a mile farther on is Attic Window Peak. Still tough going on
> the trail: Some exposed ladder climbing and a spot where you have to
> shimmy through a crack between a cliff face and a large-building-sized
> boulder. Might be worrying if you get claustrophobic. The last part of
> the trail up to Attic Window is through a chute full of rocks/boulders
> of varying sizes (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_13.htm - looking
> down from the top... in appalling weather). Definitely upper class-4
> scrambling. As you climb up through this chute there is a cave on your
> left that goes all the way through (about 20 ft) where you can sit on a
> shelf on the side of another cliff face. Frank and I did that and got
> some great shots. This is the destination of my Saturday afternoon
> excursion.
>
> On the Thursday night before the weekend officially begins, I hike out
> all the way to Calloway Peak, the fourth and highest peak on the
> mountain, and camp out for the night to get sunset and sunrise photos.
> This is a good mile past Attic Window and really quite strenuous when
> carrying a backpack loaded with tent, sleeping bag, camera gear and
> other supplies, but it's worth it :) Anyone who'll be there on Thursday
> and is willing and able to make the trip is welcome to come along.
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Re: Pentax glass

[Bob Sullivan]

j are you serious or pulling out legs?

A135/1.8 - $1,500+
A15/3.5 - $650+
K18/3.5 - $350+
A16/2.8 fisheye - $350+?
A200/4 Macro - $1,100+
K1000/11 Reflex - ??$750+??

Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Couple others I have are 135 F1.8, 15 F3.5, 18
> F3.5, 16 F2.8 fish, 17 F4.0 fish, 200 F4.0 macro,
> 1000mm mirror..What do you think they are worth ? Thanks
>
> At 02:54 PM 12/23/06, you wrote:
> >Bob, you're not helping here:-)).
> >Paul
> >On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > A85/1.4 - $1,000+  or  FA85/1.4 - $750
> > > K200/2.5 - $500+
> > > A200/2.8 - $750+
> > > A300/2.8 - $1,500+
> > > M300/4 - $500+
> > > A50/1.2 - $350+
> > > K105/2.8 - $250+
> > >
> > > Totals something more than US$5,000 I would guess...
> > > Regards, Bob S.
> > >
> > > On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Ok, what is a 85 f1.4, 200 F2.5, 200 F2.8, 300
> > >> F2.8, 300 F4.0 M, 50 F1.2. 105 F 2.5 worth. These
> > >> are some of my many pieces of glass that comes to
> > >> me without looking in the boxes ???
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> At 02:50 PM 12/22/06, you wrote:
> > >>> Dave show some compassion to a brother in distress. Jay I'll
> > >>> offer you
> > >>> £100 sterling although obviously at that price you would have to pay
> > >>> the postage!
> > >>>
> > >>> Peter
> > >>>
> > >>> On 12/22/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  What have you got?
> > 
> >  I may be interested in taking some of it off your hands, It
> >  shouldn't
> >  be worth much. I'd say AU$100 for the lot
> > 
> >  :-)
> > 
> >  Dave
> > 
> >  On 12/22/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > SO what does everyone think, is it time to unload all my high end
> > > Pentax glass, as I still have not bought a digital body in the
> > > Pentax
> > > brand, however I do have a Nikon D1x and D100..What do you
> > > think ??? jay
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Re: Pentax glass

[Bob Sullivan]

j,
Did he say Pentax glass?
I thought you said Nikon lenses.
The Pentax stuff is worthless...
They use those obslete aperture levers.
Regards, Bob S.

On 12/23/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 23/12/06, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >And the rest!
> >
> >I paid $900 for mint in box back in 2001. Sold for for $1400 a couple a
> >years later.
>
> >On 23/12/06, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >>A85/1.4 - $1,000+
>
> Sorry Bob, I missed seeing the '+' at the end of the '$1000' so your
> estimate is quite right :-)
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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[P. J. Alling]

I know that, but was commenting on the fact that it was a K version not 
the A that Cotty mutilated to force into an unholy mating to his 
darkside spawned infernal photographic device.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> There are both K and A versions of the 15/3.5. In fact, i believe  
> there are two different K versions.
> paul
> On Dec 23, 2006, at 5:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>   
>> I think the 15mm was a K not A, one of the few things I find  
>> forgivable
>> as it would be much easier to restore full K functionality someday...
>>
>> Adam Maas wrote:
>> 
>>> Peter Fairweather wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Mark

 The answer to your question is the lenses.

 In a moment of madness I looked at some of the Cn lens  
 reviews to
 see what was to be gained if anything by switching to the full frame
 5D. The favourite wide lens was the sigma 12-24, which I have in a
 Pentax mount. I didn't fancy paying £1000 for a 16-35 Canon zoom  
 with
 worse barrel distortion than the Sigma. Their 14mm was twice the  
 price
 of the Pentax and not that well thought of. The 20mm prime was
 indifferent although at least not astronomically expensive. the  
 24 1.4
 was excellent but only when stopped down and cost another £1000. The
 24 2.8 was OK at best and so on

 Makes the advantage of a full frame sensor disappear at the wide  
 end.
 I even thought of taking a hacksaw to the Pentax mounts and  
 converting
 them to Canon.

 Has anyone ever tried that? ;> ;>

 Peter


 
>>> It's called Cotty-izing a lens, as Cotty has done exactly that to  
>>> an A
>>> 15 and A* 85 for use on his 1DmII. Easier to do now that  
>>> Cameraquest is
>>> selling a K-EF adaptor (You'll still need to trim the stop-down lever
>>> off to clear the mirror on a FF or 1.3x crop body, but the lever  
>>> clears
>>> the mirror on EF-S bodies).
>>>
>>> Plenty of people do this to get better Zeiss, Olympus, Nikon or Leica
>>> wides onto the nice canon FF bodies. I personally have the Leica  
>>> and M42
>>> adaptors and intend on getting a Nikon adaptor as well (I have a  
>>> Canon
>>> film body and may get a 5D if I ever get the cash, I've got an  
>>> extensve
>>> Nikon MF collection that I'd like to use on FF)
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
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Re: Driving to Mexico

[P. J. Alling]

Ah, business then.

Cotty wrote:
> On 23/12/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>> Purpose of your trip, business or personal?
>> 
>
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Re: *istD series vs K100D?

[P. J. Alling]

The *ist D buffer is larger, the K100D write speed is faster. 


Paul Stenquist wrote:
> *ist series and K100 image quality should be virtually identical,  
> since the sensor is the same, and I suspect the processing engine is  
> similar as well. The *istD has better build quality than the K100,  
> but the write speed is slower and I think the buffer is smaller as  
> well. The *istDS write speed and buffer are comparable to the K100D I  
> believe. The K10D is a completely different story with faster write  
> speed, larger buffer and higher resolution.
> Paul
> On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:57 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>   
>> I have heard a lot of comparisons of
>> the *istD series cameras with the K10D.
>> I am curious though, other than the
>> "SR" system, how do these K100 series
>> cameras compare to the *istD cameras
>> in image quality?
>>
>> Essentially the same?
>>
>> jco
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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[P. J. Alling]

Right now they're disappearing slowly, and the 645D will be replacing 
the 645, big corporations have no use for such sentiment, only profits.

Bob Shell wrote:
> On Dec 23, 2006, at 12:06 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>   
>> I expect that un-profitable or merely less than nominally profitable
>> products to be discontinued.  That means that the medium format lines
>> will disappear quickly.
>> 
>
> I thought they had already announced that they were phasing out the  
> medium format film products.
>
> Bob
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Re: ot: HELP! re NEtscape 7.0

[ann sanfedele]

Eureka! - you muse correctly ---
who would have though a - sign would indicate you can see the folders 
and a + not...

what is most likely is that I clicked on a keyboard equivalent of those 
tags as I stumble over
the keys unless, of course, there is not keyboard equivalent.

Merry Christmas!

ann

mike wilson wrote:

>I wonder if you clicked on the small - or + that is to the left of the 
>icon for "inbox"?  It is connected to the other folder icons by a dotted 
>line.  If an icon has a + to the left of it, it means that there are 
>subfolders in that folder but they are not displayed.  The - means that 
>the subfolders are displayed.  Click on the + and the subs pop into 
>view, click on the - and they disappear.  Sound familiar?
>
>Clicking on total should do nothing; clicking on the grid box on the 
>right of those headers brings up the list of potential headers with the 
>active ones ticked.
>
>  
>
>>
>>mike wilson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>ann sanfedele wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Oh great, now I was futzing around trying to set up a sub filter under 
PDML folder for GFM on this new
computer and suddenly all the mail in all the folders except my main 
inbox folder disappeared.

I'm using Netscape 7.0

also,

The inbox is under my annsan on nyc.rr.com folder
and I really wanted ALL my mail in the local mail box...

any ideas?  

Did I really delete all that mail by accident ? or is it there and hiding?

TIA

ann


  



>>>If you accidentally click on the vertical line between the "folders" 
>>>pane and the message list pane, it will move completely to the left, 
>>>making the "folders" pane invisible.  Is that what you mean?  If you go 
>>>to the extreme left of the message list pane, as your cursor comes over 
>>>the vertical "wall", it will light up.  Click on it and the wall will 
>>>move right, bringing the "folders" pane back on the screen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[P. J. Alling]

I think you'll do best if you package him up in a box and mail him...

David J Brooks wrote:
> I'm toying with, and its just a thought at this moment, but my back  
> might thank me, if i rent a small tent trailer for the weekend.
>
> Not sure if its doable, after all i still have to findways to get  
> Frank over the boarder, so we'll see,
>
> Dave
>
> Quoting cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>   
>> As of today, barring anything going wrong (work), PDML West will be making
>> another appearance.
>> It seems though that my usual passenger might not be coming from the same
>> part of the country (right Cesar?) so I'm in the market for a highway
>> companion (Tom Petty?) [read: somebody to help pay for gas]
>> Leaving Atlanta probably Thursday morning.
>> I can't wait!
>>
>> Cory Waters
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "pentax list" 
>> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO
>>
>>
>> 
>>> On 22/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
>>>   
 I was actually just about to email him and try to persuade him to come
 when I noticed that he's listed as a speaker. Way cool. He's one of
 those PDML'ers about whom I've thought, "I'd really like to meet him in
 person". And, as Doug says, see some prints of his stuff. "Web viewing
 is for wimps. Show me yer prints" is what I always say!

 There's a list of PDML characters who I long wanted to meet in person
 and eventually did so at GFM: Frank, Cotty, Doug, Bill Robb, Cesar and
 many others. I've never regretted meeting a PDML member and GFM is
 where it's happened most often.
 
>>> Mark is right, it's a real blast.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm making the trip. Anyone fancy a hitchhiker?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>  Cotty
>>>
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RE: What are you cooking?

[Tim Øsleby]

Why ducking Jens?


Tim
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Duck!
Regards

Jens Bladt
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Hi Paul
as a Vegetarian I will have a very nice mushroom filled pie with cream and
salads and other goodies and lots of sweets after that and some nice cool
(hard) drinks later ;-)
greetings
Markus



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Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:30 AM
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Subject: What are you cooking? Was HELP! re NEtscape 7.0


Sounds great, Ann. I love duck, it is my favorite fowl, but my wife
isn't very keen on it. I'm going to make a crown roast of pork. It
will be stuffed with a cherry, pecan and cornbread dressing. I have a
couple of good cabs, and my wife is making a sweet potato pie with
pecan and gingersnap crust.
Paul
On Dec 22, 2006, at 6:22 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

> to me too,
> and I'm making wild rice dressing - but that will be cooked outside
> the bird
>
> ann
>
> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>
>> Hmmm...an interesting variation on Turducken.  The melding of
>> different
>> flavors sounds good.
>>
>> -P
>>
>> ann sanfedele wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I went out and did some fun shopping for what I'm making on
>>> Christmas
>>> night (Monday)
>>> A muscovy duck - and stuffing partridge inside... bought fresh in
>>> Chinatown for a combined total
>>> of $17.00
>>>
>>> If I can find someone who will send me one quail I'll put that
>>> inside
>>> the partridge...
>>> I'm only feeding 3 people...
>>> Haven't  cooked a duck in a while and I love it.
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> John Whittingham wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
> I'd assume so, since she says she is using Netscape 7.0 :-)
>
>
>
>
 Just checking, you could use any client with Netscape Navigator,
 not
 necessarily communicator.






> With 7.0 and later, Netscape got a lot more aggressive in their
> mail
> handling.  It used to be the case that you could open up a mail
> file
> (not a message - the mail file containing an entire "folder")
> using
> a text editor, change things around, and write out a new file.
> Try
> that with Netscape 7.0 and the folder just seems to vanish from
> the
> Netscape folder list; while the file is still there, it presumably
> fails some consistency check.  Not a bad thing in some ways -
> there
> were too many ways to abuse the free edit capability - but
> annoying.
> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that renaming folders only
> works if you do it from inside Netscape, too.
>
>
>
>
 I've not used Netscape for some time but mail folders generally
 were saved as
 text files with the extension *.msf or *.nsf IIRC as stated
 above so a search
 on a Windows PC for *.nsf or *.msf would find all files with
 that extension.
 It's unlikely that you have lost the information all together
 it's just not
 showing up in communicator or whatever they call it these days!






> Ann - if you did anything (renaming, etc.) outside Netscape,
> undo it,
> and then try renaming, etc. from inside the Netscape email window.
>
> Oh, just one other thing - make sure your email options are set to
> "show all messages", not "show unread messages" (that's done in a
> drop-down box at the top of the folder message list, I believe).
>
>
>
>
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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[mike wilson]

Cotty wrote:

> On 23/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> 
>>I may be in UK around that time. I'm going over to visit my youngest son. I
>>will be going, but the time frame is uncertain at the moment. 
>>If I'm there, I'm very keen.
> 
> 
> March for a London PDML then. Bob W will be game. John? Mike? Steve
> Jolly? Anyone else??
> 
Why aye, bonny lad.

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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Tim Øsleby]

People using objects like that should be shot without any warning. 

Merry Christmas ;-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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Cotty
Sent: 23. desember 2006 22:50
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

On 23/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Seriously I find the weather situation a lot more disturbing, than the idea
>of a converted Knarf. In the north it is raining and the desserts are
>growing faster than ever. 
>
>I am convinced we need to take a grip on this. It is a lot more dangerous
>than terrorists. Mother earth is suffering, if we don't act soon, the
>process could accelerate out of control. This scares the shit out of me.

You'll love my new car then Tim.



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Re: Merry Christmas

[P. J. Alling]

I had heard that you saved everyone from beers...

David J Brooks wrote:
> Well then you'll probably miss then then, but Merry Christmas to you  
> and the girls.
>
> Sorry, i just cannot say Happy Holidays, i'm not PCorrect, but any one  
> whose been to GFM knows that, even if i DO save everyone from bears.
>
> Dave
>
> Quoting frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>   
>> We're likely a couple of hours from shutting down at the office here.
>> I don't have a home computer yet, so I'll soon be off-line until next
>> week.
>>
>> Just wanted to take this opportunity to wish everyone a Merry
>> Christmas - may Santa be good to you and your families!!
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Tim Øsleby]

I think you are both right Jostein and John. Mother earth as the planet will
most likely survive. But that won't do us any god. If we let all the
Cottmobiles loose (God forbid letting the man himself loose) she will
change. 
There are a lot of signs that she is changing right now. Into something
beyond our existence. 

Merry Christmas ;-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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Francis
Sent: 23. desember 2006 21:54
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On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 09:06:33PM +0100, Jostein ?ksne wrote:
> I share your worries, Tim, but not the reasoning. :-)
> Mother earth will do well even with all the crap we can throw at her.
> With possible exception of a massive nuclear war, she has taken worse
> blows before and just brought new life forms into existence.

I think you underestimate mother nature.  The entire earth stockpile
of nuclear weapons looks insignificant when compared to the energy
in the storms of a major hurricane season.  And the secondary effects
(dust in the atmosphere, etc.) pale besides the contributions of a
massive volcanic eruption.

Then, of course, there's a massive meteor strike like the one that
is currently believed to have hastened the end of the dinosaurs;
that's thousands of times more devastating than anything we can do.


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Re: *istD series vs K100D?

[Adam Maas]

RAW is essentially identical. JPEG's from the K100D are significantly 
better for pixel-peeping (and noise).

-Adam


Paul Stenquist wrote:
> *ist series and K100 image quality should be virtually identical,  
> since the sensor is the same, and I suspect the processing engine is  
> similar as well. The *istD has better build quality than the K100,  
> but the write speed is slower and I think the buffer is smaller as  
> well. The *istDS write speed and buffer are comparable to the K100D I  
> believe. The K10D is a completely different story with faster write  
> speed, larger buffer and higher resolution.
> Paul
> On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:57 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> 
>> I have heard a lot of comparisons of
>> the *istD series cameras with the K10D.
>> I am curious though, other than the
>> "SR" system, how do these K100 series
>> cameras compare to the *istD cameras
>> in image quality?
>>
>> Essentially the same?
>>
>> jco
>>
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Re: ot: HELP! re NEtscape 7.0

[mike wilson]

ann sanfedele wrote:
> MIke - Oddly - It actually came back - but I'm not sure how - however, 
>  the problem
>  wasn't quite what you described -- my Inbox had sub folders under it 
> but not the ones I created
> for filtering my list mail and I have slid the bar of which you 
> speak back and forth intentionally
> many times.
> 
> Possibly I clicked on the bar that said total (hehe I'm afraid to 
> experiment as I now have the stuff back)
> ah sweet mysteries of software!
> 
> 
> have a happy
> ann
> 
> Next time I ask around for solutions I'll do a screen shot of what it 
> looks like
> (not that I know how to do that :) )

8-)

I wonder if you clicked on the small - or + that is to the left of the 
icon for "inbox"?  It is connected to the other folder icons by a dotted 
line.  If an icon has a + to the left of it, it means that there are 
subfolders in that folder but they are not displayed.  The - means that 
the subfolders are displayed.  Click on the + and the subs pop into 
view, click on the - and they disappear.  Sound familiar?

Clicking on total should do nothing; clicking on the grid box on the 
right of those headers brings up the list of potential headers with the 
active ones ticked.

> 
> 
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> 
> 
>>ann sanfedele wrote:
>> 
>>
>>
>>>Oh great, now I was futzing around trying to set up a sub filter under 
>>>PDML folder for GFM on this new
>>>computer and suddenly all the mail in all the folders except my main 
>>>inbox folder disappeared.
>>>
>>>I'm using Netscape 7.0
>>>
>>>also,
>>>
>>>The inbox is under my annsan on nyc.rr.com folder
>>>and I really wanted ALL my mail in the local mail box...
>>>
>>>any ideas?  
>>>
>>>Did I really delete all that mail by accident ? or is it there and hiding?
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>ann
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>
>>If you accidentally click on the vertical line between the "folders" 
>>pane and the message list pane, it will move completely to the left, 
>>making the "folders" pane invisible.  Is that what you mean?  If you go 
>>to the extreme left of the message list pane, as your cursor comes over 
>>the vertical "wall", it will light up.  Click on it and the wall will 
>>move right, bringing the "folders" pane back on the screen.
>>
>> 
>>
> 
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RE: What are you cooking?

[Markus Maurer]

I did not imagine that goose and ducks are so common for a feast meal around
the world . I know about the famous peking duck in good chinese restaurants
but you  cook it completely different as far as I understand
anyway, bon appetit and a merry christmas Jens.
greetings
Markus

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Duck!
Regards

Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk
+45 56 63 77 11
+45 23 43 85 77
Skype: jensbladt248

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Hi Paul
as a Vegetarian I will have a very nice mushroom filled pie with cream and
salads and other goodies and lots of sweets after that and some nice cool
(hard) drinks later ;-)
greetings
Markus



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Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:30 AM
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Sounds great, Ann. I love duck, it is my favorite fowl, but my wife
isn't very keen on it. I'm going to make a crown roast of pork. It
will be stuffed with a cherry, pecan and cornbread dressing. I have a
couple of good cabs, and my wife is making a sweet potato pie with
pecan and gingersnap crust.
Paul
On Dec 22, 2006, at 6:22 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

> to me too,
> and I'm making wild rice dressing - but that will be cooked outside
> the bird
>
> ann
>
> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>
>> Hmmm...an interesting variation on Turducken.  The melding of
>> different
>> flavors sounds good.
>>
>> -P
>>
>> ann sanfedele wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I went out and did some fun shopping for what I'm making on
>>> Christmas
>>> night (Monday)
>>> A muscovy duck - and stuffing partridge inside... bought fresh in
>>> Chinatown for a combined total
>>> of $17.00
>>>
>>> If I can find someone who will send me one quail I'll put that
>>> inside
>>> the partridge...
>>> I'm only feeding 3 people...
>>> Haven't  cooked a duck in a while and I love it.
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> John Whittingham wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
> I'd assume so, since she says she is using Netscape 7.0 :-)
>
>
>
>
 Just checking, you could use any client with Netscape Navigator,
 not
 necessarily communicator.






> With 7.0 and later, Netscape got a lot more aggressive in their
> mail
> handling.  It used to be the case that you could open up a mail
> file
> (not a message - the mail file containing an entire "folder")
> using
> a text editor, change things around, and write out a new file.
> Try
> that with Netscape 7.0 and the folder just seems to vanish from
> the
> Netscape folder list; while the file is still there, it presumably
> fails some consistency check.  Not a bad thing in some ways -
> there
> were too many ways to abuse the free edit capability - but
> annoying.
> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that renaming folders only
> works if you do it from inside Netscape, too.
>
>
>
>
 I've not used Netscape for some time but mail folders generally
 were saved as
 text files with the extension *.msf or *.nsf IIRC as stated
 above so a search
 on a Windows PC for *.nsf or *.msf would find all files with
 that extension.
 It's unlikely that you have lost the information all together
 it's just not
 showing up in communicator or whatever they call it these days!






> Ann - if you did anything (renaming, etc.) outside Netscape,
> undo it,
> and then try renaming, etc. from inside the Netscape email window.
>
> Oh, just one other thing - make sure your email options are set to
> "show all messages", not "show unread messages" (that's done in a
> drop-down box at the top of the folder message list, I believe).
>
>
>
>
 As above!

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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[Paul Stenquist]

There are both K and A versions of the 15/3.5. In fact, i believe  
there are two different K versions.
paul
On Dec 23, 2006, at 5:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> I think the 15mm was a K not A, one of the few things I find  
> forgivable
> as it would be much easier to restore full K functionality someday...
>
> Adam Maas wrote:
>> Peter Fairweather wrote:
>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> The answer to your question is the lenses.
>>>
>>> In a moment of madness I looked at some of the Cn lens  
>>> reviews to
>>> see what was to be gained if anything by switching to the full frame
>>> 5D. The favourite wide lens was the sigma 12-24, which I have in a
>>> Pentax mount. I didn't fancy paying £1000 for a 16-35 Canon zoom  
>>> with
>>> worse barrel distortion than the Sigma. Their 14mm was twice the  
>>> price
>>> of the Pentax and not that well thought of. The 20mm prime was
>>> indifferent although at least not astronomically expensive. the  
>>> 24 1.4
>>> was excellent but only when stopped down and cost another £1000. The
>>> 24 2.8 was OK at best and so on
>>>
>>> Makes the advantage of a full frame sensor disappear at the wide  
>>> end.
>>> I even thought of taking a hacksaw to the Pentax mounts and  
>>> converting
>>> them to Canon.
>>>
>>> Has anyone ever tried that? ;> ;>
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's called Cotty-izing a lens, as Cotty has done exactly that to  
>> an A
>> 15 and A* 85 for use on his 1DmII. Easier to do now that  
>> Cameraquest is
>> selling a K-EF adaptor (You'll still need to trim the stop-down lever
>> off to clear the mirror on a FF or 1.3x crop body, but the lever  
>> clears
>> the mirror on EF-S bodies).
>>
>> Plenty of people do this to get better Zeiss, Olympus, Nikon or Leica
>> wides onto the nice canon FF bodies. I personally have the Leica  
>> and M42
>> adaptors and intend on getting a Nikon adaptor as well (I have a  
>> Canon
>> film body and may get a 5D if I ever get the cash, I've got an  
>> extensve
>> Nikon MF collection that I'd like to use on FF)
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Paul Stenquist]

I'm planning on it. Who knows what June will bring. My plans were  
layed askew last year, but I'm prepared to try again.
Paul
On Dec 23, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 23/12/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> I'm in good enough shape to do it, (I run three miles a day), but I
>> don't like heights. Makes me dizzy.
>
> Scuse me Mr Steady, am I given to understand by this that you could be
> in GFM attendance mode by about June of next year??
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RE: What are you cooking?

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Tim
here I found a description of Cassata Siciliana in english:

http://www.agatirno.it/ricette/cassata_siciliana.html


greetings
Markus


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Sounds interesting. Is it possible to make it at home? If it is, where could
I find a recipe?


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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

>On 23/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
>>http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
>
>Yes please. Put me down for one of those Mark !

For anyone else interested, on the Saturday afternoon of the GFM Nature 
Photography Weekend I am going to lead an unofficial hike to Attic 
Window Peak on the mountain. Open to anyone who's interested in coming. 
Frank's done it with me in the past so it can't be that difficult ;-)

Grandfather Mountain consists of a fairly long ridge with four distinct 
peaks. Linville Peak, the lowest of the four, is the one at the end of 
the road up the mountain. You drive there to get onto the Grandfather 
Mountain trail, which follows the ridge to the other three peaks. The 
first half mile is moderate in difficulty but after that it gets fairly 
tough: There are sections that would require ropes, harnesses and 
technical climbing experience if it weren't for the ladders bolted to 
the rock face. Not for people who are out of shape or who have any fear 
of heights.

The first peak you come, about a mile out on the trail, is MacRae Peak. 
3rd highest peak on the mountain. The peak itself is a house-sized 
boulder which is accessed via one of the aforementioned ladders. You 
can bypass the peak itself and continue on the trail if you like. The 
climb up to the top of the peak is a bit scary but the view is 
spectacular (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm)

About half a mile farther on is Attic Window Peak. Still tough going on 
the trail: Some exposed ladder climbing and a spot where you have to 
shimmy through a crack between a cliff face and a large-building-sized 
boulder. Might be worrying if you get claustrophobic. The last part of 
the trail up to Attic Window is through a chute full of rocks/boulders 
of varying sizes (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_13.htm - looking 
down from the top... in appalling weather). Definitely upper class-4 
scrambling. As you climb up through this chute there is a cave on your 
left that goes all the way through (about 20 ft) where you can sit on a 
shelf on the side of another cliff face. Frank and I did that and got 
some great shots. This is the destination of my Saturday afternoon 
excursion.

On the Thursday night before the weekend officially begins, I hike out 
all the way to Calloway Peak, the fourth and highest peak on the 
mountain, and camp out for the night to get sunset and sunrise photos. 
This is a good mile past Attic Window and really quite strenuous when 
carrying a backpack loaded with tent, sleeping bag, camera gear and 
other supplies, but it's worth it :) Anyone who'll be there on Thursday 
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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[Bob Shell]

On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:

> I'm sure. I don't know
> about the first question, but I guess HOYA is largely regarded as a  
> company
> marketing excellent photographic filters for consumers as well as  
> pro's.

Hoya today is a major player in the semiconductor equipment business,  
makes hard drive platters and heads, and a wide variety of products  
having nothing to do with optics.  See:

http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/sep2005/ 
pi20050912_6558_pi044.htm

Also see this link for a list of Hoya subsidiary companies:

http://www.hoya.co.jp/CACHE/english/group_content_group5.cfm

And this one for USA optical glass:

http://www.hoyaoptics.com/specialty_glass/optical.htm

We're talking about a large and diversified company, one small part  
of which deals with optics, and Pentax will become a small part of that.

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Re: Determining a Focal Length

[P. J. Alling]

I think you need the angle of view more than field of view.  the formula 
for AOV is

AOF = 2*tan^(-1)/(F/2*f) where F is the size of the sensor f is the 
focal length.  You'll have to use some algebra to rearrange the terms to 
solve for "f".  I'm just feeling too lazy...

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> There is a photo I'd like to make, but the widest lens I have is still too
> long as it forces me to include an undesirable object in the frame and I
> don't want to mess around with cloning the object out of the scene.  I will
> need to borrow a wider lens, but I don't know what focal length would work.
> Is there a way to determine the focal length I need based on the subject
> distance and framing I want using the longer lens.  I know how close I must
> get to the subject to eliminate the unwanted element.  Perhaps a formula of
> some sort?
>
> For what it's worth, the subject is about 12-feet long and I have to get
> about six feet from it.
>
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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[ann sanfedele]

I can walk for a fair amount of time - but I'm a tad acrophobic and 
clumsy, too...

Fortunately there are nice nature walks that arent straight up and down!

ann

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>I'm in good enough shape to do it, (I run three miles a day), but I  
>don't like heights. Makes me dizzy.
>Paul
>On Dec 23, 2006, at 5:15 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Quoting Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Walter Hamler wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Are most of the photo opportunities
available from the hiking trails, etc?


I am not in the best of shape but can walk for upwards of an hour  
or so


>>>as
>>>  
>>>
long as I take it slow.


>>Good. I 'm the same only that hour part is a bit much.:-)
>>
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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm in good enough shape to do it, (I run three miles a day), but I  
>don't like heights. Makes me dizzy.

Scuse me Mr Steady, am I given to understand by this that you could be
in GFM attendance mode by about June of next year??

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Re: World Peace

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:

>After reading the PDML Archives for several months now, and noting the 
>various folks from all over the world, with many varied experiences and 
>opinions, I am convinced that if enough of you could get together at one 
>time, all the worlds problems could be solved, and one heck of a party would 
>ensue!!!

That or there would be several deaths.

>Have a very merry holiday season, whatever your traditions and backgrounds 
>dictate!!!

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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I think the 15mm was a K not A, one of the few things I find forgivable 
>as it would be much easier to restore full K functionality someday...

It's by pure chance I hacked the K15. It could just have easily been the
A15. I'll see if I can dig out some pics of the operation

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[John Francis]

On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 10:40:46PM +0100, Jostein ?ksne wrote:
> You're most likely right about the scale of nuke impact, John.
> My concern was about the post-blast radiation, but was kinda shooting
> argument from the hip. Good think I said "possible exception" :-)

Oh, I was only talking about mother earth surviving.  Any particular
species (except the cockroach :-) might not fare quite so well, but
something else would move in to fill the ecological niche ...


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Re: Pentax glass

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, j, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Couple others I have are 135 F1.8, 15 F3.5, 18 
>F3.5, 16 F2.8 fish, 17 F4.0 fish, 200 F4.0 macro, 
>1000mm mirror..What do you think they are worth ?

'j',  huh. Welcome back Caveman.

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Re: Merry Christmas

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I know you're gone,  but same to you Frank.

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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[P. J. Alling]

I think the 15mm was a K not A, one of the few things I find forgivable 
as it would be much easier to restore full K functionality someday...

Adam Maas wrote:
> Peter Fairweather wrote:
>   
>> Mark
>>
>> The answer to your question is the lenses.
>>
>> In a moment of madness I looked at some of the Cn lens reviews to
>> see what was to be gained if anything by switching to the full frame
>> 5D. The favourite wide lens was the sigma 12-24, which I have in a
>> Pentax mount. I didn't fancy paying £1000 for a 16-35 Canon zoom with
>> worse barrel distortion than the Sigma. Their 14mm was twice the price
>> of the Pentax and not that well thought of. The 20mm prime was
>> indifferent although at least not astronomically expensive. the 24 1.4
>> was excellent but only when stopped down and cost another £1000. The
>> 24 2.8 was OK at best and so on
>>
>> Makes the advantage of a full frame sensor disappear at the wide end.
>> I even thought of taking a hacksaw to the Pentax mounts and converting
>> them to Canon.
>>
>> Has anyone ever tried that? ;> ;>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> 
>
> It's called Cotty-izing a lens, as Cotty has done exactly that to an A 
> 15 and A* 85 for use on his 1DmII. Easier to do now that Cameraquest is 
> selling a K-EF adaptor (You'll still need to trim the stop-down lever 
> off to clear the mirror on a FF or 1.3x crop body, but the lever clears 
> the mirror on EF-S bodies).
>
> Plenty of people do this to get better Zeiss, Olympus, Nikon or Leica 
> wides onto the nice canon FF bodies. I personally have the Leica and M42 
> adaptors and intend on getting a Nikon adaptor as well (I have a Canon 
> film body and may get a 5D if I ever get the cash, I've got an extensve 
> Nikon MF collection that I'd like to use on FF)
>
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Re: Pentax glass

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

>And the rest!
>
>I paid $900 for mint in box back in 2001. Sold for for $1400 a couple a
>years later.

>On 23/12/06, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>A85/1.4 - $1,000+

Sorry Bob, I missed seeing the '+' at the end of the '$1000' so your
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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Noo. Not another Cotty !

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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[P. J. Alling]

Noo. Not another Cotty !

Peter Fairweather wrote:
> Mark
>
> The answer to your question is the lenses.
>
> In a moment of madness I looked at some of the Cn lens reviews to
> see what was to be gained if anything by switching to the full frame
> 5D. The favourite wide lens was the sigma 12-24, which I have in a
> Pentax mount. I didn't fancy paying £1000 for a 16-35 Canon zoom with
> worse barrel distortion than the Sigma. Their 14mm was twice the price
> of the Pentax and not that well thought of. The 20mm prime was
> indifferent although at least not astronomically expensive. the 24 1.4
> was excellent but only when stopped down and cost another £1000. The
> 24 2.8 was OK at best and so on
>
> Makes the advantage of a full frame sensor disappear at the wide end.
> I even thought of taking a hacksaw to the Pentax mounts and converting
> them to Canon.
>
> Has anyone ever tried that? ;> ;>
>
> Peter
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Re: *istD series vs K100D?

[Paul Stenquist]

I don't think in jpeg. i've never shot one with a Pentax digital camera.
Paul
On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Thibouille wrote:

> Actually the JPEG processing of the K100D is more near other brands
> and JPEGs from K10D are more neat ist serie AFAICT.
>
> 2006/12/23, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> *ist series and K100 image quality should be virtually identical,
>> since the sensor is the same, and I suspect the processing engine is
>> similar as well. The *istD has better build quality than the K100,
>> but the write speed is slower and I think the buffer is smaller as
>> well. The *istDS write speed and buffer are comparable to the K100D I
>> believe. The K10D is a completely different story with faster write
>> speed, larger buffer and higher resolution.
>> Paul
>> On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:57 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>> I have heard a lot of comparisons of
>>> the *istD series cameras with the K10D.
>>> I am curious though, other than the
>>> "SR" system, how do these K100 series
>>> cameras compare to the *istD cameras
>>> in image quality?
>>>
>>> Essentially the same?
>>>
>>> jco
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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Paul Stenquist]

I'm in good enough shape to do it, (I run three miles a day), but I  
don't like heights. Makes me dizzy.
Paul
On Dec 23, 2006, at 5:15 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

> Quoting Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Walter Hamler wrote:
>>
>>> Are most of the photo opportunities
>>> available from the hiking trails, etc?
>
>>> I am not in the best of shape but can walk for upwards of an hour  
>>> or so
>> as
>>> long as I take it slow.
>
> Good. I 'm the same only that hour part is a bit much.:-)
>
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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[David J Brooks]

Quoting Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Walter Hamler wrote:
>
>> Are most of the photo opportunities
>> available from the hiking trails, etc?

>> I am not in the best of shape but can walk for upwards of an hour or so
> as
>> long as I take it slow.

Good. I 'm the same only that hour part is a bit much.:-)

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Re: Pentax glass

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It could also be an idea to keep an eye on Cotty. If he prepares to eat his
>hat, the market is going up.

At this moment in time my official prediction is 75% chance that Pentax
will never release a 35mm-style DSLR with a sensor at or around 36X24mm.
I guess that means there's a 25% chance I'll need some salt and pepper
for a small cloth object that keeps my head warm :-)

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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Wait until something bad happens,  
>then worry.

What part of that is difficult to understand?  ;-))

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Re: Pentax glass

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A85/1.4 - $1,000

And the rest!

I paid $900 for mint in box back in 2001. Sold for for $1400 a couple a
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Re: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Bill Owens, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Phyllis and I will be there, but most likely not camping.  My physical
>condition makes operating PDML Central extremely doubtful.  We'll drive up
>Saturday and spend the day.

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RE: What are you cooking?

[Jens Bladt]

Duck!
Regards

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Hi Paul
as a Vegetarian I will have a very nice mushroom filled pie with cream and
salads and other goodies and lots of sweets after that and some nice cool
(hard) drinks later ;-)
greetings
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Sounds great, Ann. I love duck, it is my favorite fowl, but my wife
isn't very keen on it. I'm going to make a crown roast of pork. It
will be stuffed with a cherry, pecan and cornbread dressing. I have a
couple of good cabs, and my wife is making a sweet potato pie with
pecan and gingersnap crust.
Paul
On Dec 22, 2006, at 6:22 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

> to me too,
> and I'm making wild rice dressing - but that will be cooked outside
> the bird
>
> ann
>
> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>
>> Hmmm...an interesting variation on Turducken.  The melding of
>> different
>> flavors sounds good.
>>
>> -P
>>
>> ann sanfedele wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I went out and did some fun shopping for what I'm making on
>>> Christmas
>>> night (Monday)
>>> A muscovy duck - and stuffing partridge inside... bought fresh in
>>> Chinatown for a combined total
>>> of $17.00
>>>
>>> If I can find someone who will send me one quail I'll put that
>>> inside
>>> the partridge...
>>> I'm only feeding 3 people...
>>> Haven't  cooked a duck in a while and I love it.
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> John Whittingham wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
> I'd assume so, since she says she is using Netscape 7.0 :-)
>
>
>
>
 Just checking, you could use any client with Netscape Navigator,
 not
 necessarily communicator.






> With 7.0 and later, Netscape got a lot more aggressive in their
> mail
> handling.  It used to be the case that you could open up a mail
> file
> (not a message - the mail file containing an entire "folder")
> using
> a text editor, change things around, and write out a new file.
> Try
> that with Netscape 7.0 and the folder just seems to vanish from
> the
> Netscape folder list; while the file is still there, it presumably
> fails some consistency check.  Not a bad thing in some ways -
> there
> were too many ways to abuse the free edit capability - but
> annoying.
> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that renaming folders only
> works if you do it from inside Netscape, too.
>
>
>
>
 I've not used Netscape for some time but mail folders generally
 were saved as
 text files with the extension *.msf or *.nsf IIRC as stated
 above so a search
 on a Windows PC for *.nsf or *.msf would find all files with
 that extension.
 It's unlikely that you have lost the information all together
 it's just not
 showing up in communicator or whatever they call it these days!






> Ann - if you did anything (renaming, etc.) outside Netscape,
> undo it,
> and then try renaming, etc. from inside the Netscape email window.
>
> Oh, just one other thing - make sure your email options are set to
> "show all messages", not "show unread messages" (that's done in a
> drop-down box at the top of the folder message list, I believe).
>
>
>
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Re: Merry Christmas

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I know you're gone,  but same to you Frank.

frank theriault wrote:
> We're likely a couple of hours from shutting down at the office here.
> I don't have a home computer yet, so I'll soon be off-line until next
> week.
>
> Just wanted to take this opportunity to wish everyone a Merry
> Christmas - may Santa be good to you and your families!!
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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I will have a batch of meetings down in the Docklands in March, but
>the exact dates are stored at the office.

OMG these things are like London buses. Nothing for ages and then two or
three at a time.

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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I may be in UK around that time. I'm going over to visit my youngest son. I
>will be going, but the time frame is uncertain at the moment. 
>If I'm there, I'm very keen.

March for a London PDML then. Bob W will be game. John? Mike? Steve
Jolly? Anyone else??

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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
>http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm

Yesplease. Put me down for one of those Mark !

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Re: Driving to Mexico

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Purpose of your trip, business or personal?

Tax-deductable.

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GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Walter Hamler]

Thanks Mark. Makes me feel like it will really be a great trip. I am getting 
excited already!

Walt 


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Re: *istD series vs K100D?

[Thibouille]

Actually the JPEG processing of the K100D is more near other brands
and JPEGs from K10D are more neat ist serie AFAICT.

2006/12/23, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> *ist series and K100 image quality should be virtually identical,
> since the sensor is the same, and I suspect the processing engine is
> similar as well. The *istD has better build quality than the K100,
> but the write speed is slower and I think the buffer is smaller as
> well. The *istDS write speed and buffer are comparable to the K100D I
> believe. The K10D is a completely different story with faster write
> speed, larger buffer and higher resolution.
> Paul
> On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:57 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
> > I have heard a lot of comparisons of
> > the *istD series cameras with the K10D.
> > I am curious though, other than the
> > "SR" system, how do these K100 series
> > cameras compare to the *istD cameras
> > in image quality?
> >
> > Essentially the same?
> >
> > jco
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Re: Pentax glass

[David Weiss]

Did ya ever buy anything consumer grade?  You have nothing but the 
utterly expensive ones.

Dave



j wrote:
> Couple others I have are 135 F1.8, 15 F3.5, 18 
> F3.5, 16 F2.8 fish, 17 F4.0 fish, 200 F4.0 macro, 
> 1000mm mirror..What do you think they are worth ? Thanks
> 
> At 02:54 PM 12/23/06, you wrote:
>> Bob, you're not helping here:-)).
>> Paul
>> On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> A85/1.4 - $1,000+  or  FA85/1.4 - $750
>>> K200/2.5 - $500+
>>> A200/2.8 - $750+
>>> A300/2.8 - $1,500+
>>> M300/4 - $500+
>>> A50/1.2 - $350+
>>> K105/2.8 - $250+
>>>
>>> Totals something more than US$5,000 I would guess...
>>> Regards, Bob S.
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Mother earth will do well even with all the crap we can throw at her.

Why Jostein dear chap. I never knew you were (like me) into Gaia ;-)

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Seriously I find the weather situation a lot more disturbing, than the idea
>of a converted Knarf. In the north it is raining and the desserts are
>growing faster than ever. 
>
>I am convinced we need to take a grip on this. It is a lot more dangerous
>than terrorists. Mother earth is suffering, if we don't act soon, the
>process could accelerate out of control. This scares the shit out of me.

You'll love my new car then Tim.



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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Jostein Øksne]

You're most likely right about the scale of nuke impact, John.
My concern was about the post-blast radiation, but was kinda shooting
argument from the hip. Good think I said "possible exception" :-)

Btw, did you read about the discovery of a *huge* impact crater under
the ice in Antarctica, that looks like good explanation for the
Perm/Trias extinction that paved the way for the dinosaurs:

http://geology.com/news/2006/06/meteor-impact-crater-discovered-under.html

Jostein

On 12/23/06, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 09:06:33PM +0100, Jostein ?ksne wrote:
> > I share your worries, Tim, but not the reasoning. :-)
> > Mother earth will do well even with all the crap we can throw at her.
> > With possible exception of a massive nuclear war, she has taken worse
> > blows before and just brought new life forms into existence.
>
> I think you underestimate mother nature.  The entire earth stockpile
> of nuclear weapons looks insignificant when compared to the energy
> in the storms of a major hurricane season.  And the secondary effects
> (dust in the atmosphere, etc.) pale besides the contributions of a
> massive volcanic eruption.
>
> Then, of course, there's a massive meteor strike like the one that
> is currently believed to have hastened the end of the dinosaurs;
> that's thousands of times more devastating than anything we can do.
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Re: *istD series vs K100D?

[Paul Stenquist]

*ist series and K100 image quality should be virtually identical,  
since the sensor is the same, and I suspect the processing engine is  
similar as well. The *istD has better build quality than the K100,  
but the write speed is slower and I think the buffer is smaller as  
well. The *istDS write speed and buffer are comparable to the K100D I  
believe. The K10D is a completely different story with faster write  
speed, larger buffer and higher resolution.
Paul
On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:57 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> I have heard a lot of comparisons of
> the *istD series cameras with the K10D.
> I am curious though, other than the
> "SR" system, how do these K100 series
> cameras compare to the *istD cameras
> in image quality?
>
> Essentially the same?
>
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RE: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[Jens Bladt]

Excellent question, although the same question can be asked concerning any
other super brands - like Ferrari, Gucci, Porsche, Harley Davidson etc.
Perhaps Pentax is not really a super brand (a brand for which people are
prepared to pay an over price, because of the prestige etc.). But Pentax IS
a widely well known and respected brand.
When a company like Pentax merges with another company or buys it (like
Imacon/Hasselblad, Konica/Minolta, Volvo/Ford etc.) it just means they are
trying to make a reasonable sound business decision. Naturally, Pentax had
to consider if this would damage the company reputation or not. And of
course weather it wouild be profitable or not. The answer to the latter is
obvious - Pentax must have considered this carefully, I'm sure. I don't know
about the first question, but I guess HOYA is largely regarded as a company
marketing excellent photographic filters for consumers as well as pro's.

In the sixties-seventies Pentax WAS a super brand. The Spotmatics were a
huge success. At that time Pentax sold more cameras than Nikon and Canon put
together.
Those days ar long gone.

At first Nikon took a leading role. Roomers say that Nikon gave away cameras
to journalist all over the world - in the sixties - making marketing a major
issue. And they did of course develop nice cameras and excellent lenses as
well. Canon took a leading role at the time the Canon EOS 1v was introduced.
It was faster (AF) than any other camera. Almost every sports journalist in
the world bought one.

Since the sixties Pentax has:
1) Lived on utilizing the Spotmatic aera fame.
2) Marketed userfreindly, affordable cameras, without really competing with
the major players; Nikon and Canon, in the pro market section.
3) Sold LOADS of high end P&S and consumer cameras.
4) From time to time released (almost) pro-speced/enthusiast SLR cameras
like the LX, PZ1, *ist D
5) From time to time released excellent (pro-speced) glass (like the F
1.4/50mm, A* 1.4 85mm, FA 2.8 80-200mm, FA 2.8 300mm, FA 31mm, FA f77mm and
others)
6) Kept on releasing less excellent, but still useable lenses for the
consumer market (F 4-5.6 35-80mm for 4x6" prints for the family album).
7) Released pro-speced, excellent Medium Format cameras (6x7 and 645).

Pentax is targeting the consumer and enthusiasts markets as the number one
priority (that's where the money is, they seem to think).
And Pentax is from time to time competing successfully in the segment of
consumer/enthusiast cameras (DS/K100D/K10D), but without trying to compete
in the pro market segment (Full Frame, 8 FPS, Huge amount of F.2.8 zooms,
fast AF, latest technology for computerized control of cameras and images.
color profiles etc).

Pentax is "high end, userfriendly consumer and enthusiast cameras"  - and
(from time to time) "excellent or superior glass and camera features".

I don't see any signs of changes in this policy.
And hey, doesn't Hoya fit this policy like a glove?

Regards
Jens




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With the Hoya acquisition of Pentax, I'm pondering a fundamental
question - what could Hoya do to make me feel that my future Pentax (or
Ho-Tax) is a true Pentax camera, and what could they do to make me feel
the opposite?

Obviously, there's the lens compatibility issue. Pentax has really
distinguished itself by retaining backwards compatibility with virtually
all K mount lens, even if you lose a few features when using them. (And
even if they produce really bad chromatic aberrations on a digital body.)

Otherwise - what makes Pentax - Pentax? Is it SMC? The devotion to ~40mm
pancake lenses? 'Unusual' sharpening of JPG's in the DSLR? The strange
ergonomics of the Mz-S?

I like Pentax. I've been about as loyal to them as I've ever been to any
brand, simply because I could count on them to do what was right in
their eyes and damn the pressure for conformity. For that, I respected
them. They were the Gary Cooper of the camera world - low key,
conservative, but doing what they chose to do, thank you.

It's a question I ask myself - what makes Pentax unique? And can Hoya
capture that?

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Re: Pentax glass

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don't know what they're worth, but in truth I have all the lenses I  
need anyway. I intend to be using them for some time to come.

Was out taking pictures with the K10D and the DA14/FA35 this morning.  
Just looked at the RAW captures. Stunning! This is a great camera,  
these are excellent lenses.

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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 23, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Bob Shell wrote:

>> I expect that un-profitable or merely less than nominally profitable
>> products to be discontinued.  That means that the medium format lines
>> will disappear quickly.
>
> I thought they had already announced that they were phasing out the
> medium format film products.

Yes, that was my understanding as well.

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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[Bob Shell]

On Dec 23, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> I would have expected you to know, Bob, since you cover the biz. But
> my point was that Tokina is still Tokina. Hoya hasn't disassembled
> them or trashed their product line.

Right.  Just the reverse, in fact, since they've improved Tokina  
quality.

Bob

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Re: What Makes a Pentax a Pentax?

[K.Takeshita]

On 12/23/06 4:20 PM, "Bob Shell", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I would have expected you to know, Bob, since you cover the biz. But
>> my point was that Tokina is still Tokina. Hoya hasn't disassembled
>> them or trashed their product line.
> 
> Right.  Just the reverse, in fact, since they've improved Tokina
> quality.

I think Tokina is a grandchild when their parent, Kenko became Hoya's
subsidiary.
Hoya is now emphasizing "vertical integration" which might actually work
;-).

Ken


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Re: Pentax glass

[j]

Couple others I have are 135 F1.8, 15 F3.5, 18 
F3.5, 16 F2.8 fish, 17 F4.0 fish, 200 F4.0 macro, 
1000mm mirror..What do you think they are worth ? Thanks

At 02:54 PM 12/23/06, you wrote:
>Bob, you're not helping here:-)).
>Paul
>On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
> > A85/1.4 - $1,000+  or  FA85/1.4 - $750
> > K200/2.5 - $500+
> > A200/2.8 - $750+
> > A300/2.8 - $1,500+
> > M300/4 - $500+
> > A50/1.2 - $350+
> > K105/2.8 - $250+
> >
> > Totals something more than US$5,000 I would guess...
> > Regards, Bob S.
> >
> > On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Ok, what is a 85 f1.4, 200 F2.5, 200 F2.8, 300
> >> F2.8, 300 F4.0 M, 50 F1.2. 105 F 2.5 worth. These
> >> are some of my many pieces of glass that comes to
> >> me without looking in the boxes ???
> >>
> >>
> >> At 02:50 PM 12/22/06, you wrote:
> >>> Dave show some compassion to a brother in distress. Jay I'll
> >>> offer you
> >>> £100 sterling although obviously at that price you would have to pay
> >>> the postage!
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> On 12/22/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  What have you got?
> 
>  I may be interested in taking some of it off your hands, It
>  shouldn't
>  be worth much. I'd say AU$100 for the lot
> 
>  :-)
> 
>  Dave
> 
>  On 12/22/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > SO what does everyone think, is it time to unload all my high end
> > Pentax glass, as I still have not bought a digital body in the
> > Pentax
> > brand, however I do have a Nikon D1x and D100..What do you
> > think ??? jay
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[John Francis]

On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 09:06:33PM +0100, Jostein ?ksne wrote:
> I share your worries, Tim, but not the reasoning. :-)
> Mother earth will do well even with all the crap we can throw at her.
> With possible exception of a massive nuclear war, she has taken worse
> blows before and just brought new life forms into existence.

I think you underestimate mother nature.  The entire earth stockpile
of nuclear weapons looks insignificant when compared to the energy
in the storms of a major hurricane season.  And the secondary effects
(dust in the atmosphere, etc.) pale besides the contributions of a
massive volcanic eruption.

Then, of course, there's a massive meteor strike like the one that
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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[Jostein Øksne]

David J Brooks wrote:
> I already have ideas for photos for next year.
>
> Am i sick??

That's worse. That's _professional_! :-)

Jostein

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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Mark Roberts]

Walter Hamler wrote:

>Are most of the photo opportunities 
>available from the hiking trails, etc?

One of the great advantages of Grandfather Mountain is the variety of 
photo locations available to people with widely varying abilities and 
levels of fitness. There are a huge number of great photo spots just a 
few steps away from a parking spot for your car. Many others just a 
short (100 meters or so) away from parking areas (and on good trails), 
as well as places where you have to undertake a couple of hours if 
hiking over *tough* terrain. There's something for every ability.

Here's one taken while standing *in* the parking lot at the top:
http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_11.htm

This one is from just past the swinging bridge and less than 200m from 
the parking lot:
http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_01.htm
This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
This one requires an overnight camp-out on the trail:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601782.html

>I am not in the best of shape but can walk for upwards of an hour or so 
as 
>long as I take it slow.

You'll have lots of opportunities. And if all else fails, shoot flower 
macros!
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RE: What are you cooking?

[Tim Øsleby]

Sounds interesting. Is it possible to make it at home? If it is, where could
I find a recipe? 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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Hi Mark
I would not assimilate regarding the food and beverage. Italian food is
really among the best in the world for me. I just love pasta and the wine
and lasagna is wonderful. In my childhood, the Italian  "Cassata" was the
most noble and elegant icecream dessert available here and often served at
Christmas.

greetings
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Jostein Øksne]

I share your worries, Tim, but not the reasoning. :-)
Mother earth will do well even with all the crap we can throw at her.
With possible exception of a massive nuclear war, she has taken worse
blows before and just brought new life forms into existence.

We, however, suffer if we kick Mother Earth into shifting her balance.
Whatever we do to the planet to keep her from changing, it's only for
our own (selfish ) good.

Jostein

On 12/23/06, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seriously I find the weather situation a lot more disturbing, than the idea
> of a converted Knarf. In the north it is raining and the desserts are
> growing faster than ever.
>
> I am convinced we need to take a grip on this. It is a lot more dangerous
> than terrorists. Mother earth is suffering, if we don't act soon, the
> process could accelerate out of control. This scares the shit out of me.
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
>
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>
> Hi!
>
> > Today we have had 55 days of rain here. Off course it haven't poured down
> > every day, but it has rained. If it continues tomorrow we will touch the
> > 1920 record of raining.
> > Knarf is thinking DSRL.
> >
> > We do live in disturbing times.
>
> Tim, just for sake of balance. Most of the last month was dry in Israel,
> cold and dry, windy, unpleasant. Drought is almost imminent. Fortunately
> today it started raining all right. Everything's soaking wet...
>
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Re: Geso: Grandfather's Christmas

[David J Brooks]

Neat time capsule Cory.

Dave

Quoting cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> You may recall a couple months ago I was asking about recovering images from
> a roll of 620 film left exposed in my grandfather's Kodak TLR camera for
> many years.
> I sent the film to Rapid Photo in Pennsylvania who say on their website that
> they  do that sort of work.  Several weeks (and several dollars) later, I
> have four images.
> Now remember, my grandfather has been dead since before I was born and  I
> don't believe anybody's used this camera since he was around so... these
> images are well over thirty years old and were just sitting in the camera,
> waiting for somebody to save them.
> Merry Christmas Grandpa.
>
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/b/cbwaters/Photo/Grandpa's%20Christmas/index.html
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> Cory Waters
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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[Jostein Øksne]

Me too!
I will have a batch of meetings down in the Docklands in March, but
the exact dates are stored at the office.

Jostein


On 12/23/06, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I may be in UK around that time. I'm going over to visit my youngest son. I
> will be going, but the time frame is uncertain at the moment.
> If I'm there, I'm very keen.
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
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> Subject: Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO
>
> On 23/12/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I may be coming as well.
>
> Again I can't really do it 2007 but I wouldn't mind a London PDML meet
> around mid March 2007 if anyone is keen ;-)
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Re: ot: HELP! re NEtscape 7.0

[ann sanfedele]

ah -
ALT print screen with shift on looks like what i want
back in my dos days I used print screen a lot :)

thanks, guys

ann

Paul Sorenson wrote:

>"Print screen", the key John mentions copies the entire screen to the 
>clipboard, "alt + print screen" copies just the open window.
>
>-P
>
>John Francis wrote:
>  
>
>>On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 12:58:04PM -0500, ann sanfedele wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Next time I ask around for solutions I'll do a screen shot of what
>>>it looks like (not that I know how to do that :) )
>>>  
>>>
>>That's easy(-ish).  Somewhere on your keyboard is a key labelled
>>"prt sc", or "prt scr", or something like that.  Pressing that key
>>(and, probably, the shift key as well, if the "prt sc" key has two
>>different labels on it) will grab a copy of the screen and put it
>>on the clipboard.  Then simply fire up your favourite image editor
>>and paste the contents in (very easy if your editor has a command
>>"paste as new image", which most of them do).
>>
>>Then just save the image (possibly after cropping it to just the
>>Netscape window), and put it up somewhere folks can see it
>>(you can't post attachments to the PDML).
>>
>>[If you want just the Netscape window, pressing ALT-printscreen
>>while the Netscape window is active copies only that window]
>>
>>
>>
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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[David J Brooks]

Quoting Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Mat Maessen wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, and I'll actually enter the contest this year, though I have
>> no delusions of actually winning. :-)
>
> Thought of offering bribes to the judges? Nah, Dave Brooks didn't cough
> up anything and he still took a prize ;-)

When i did'nt see any of my photo's on the dishonorable mention list,  
i fiqured i was out of the running.

I was quite suprised to take a second.

I already have ideas for photos for next year.

Am i sick>??

Dave
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World Peace

[Walter Hamler]

After reading the PDML Archives for several months now, and noting the 
various folks from all over the world, with many varied experiences and 
opinions, I am convinced that if enough of you could get together at one 
time, all the worlds problems could be solved, and one heck of a party would 
ensue!!!
Have a very merry holiday season, whatever your traditions and backgrounds 
dictate!!!

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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

>On 23/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>I may be coming as well.
>
>Better get your export license sorted out. Dangerous animals act and 
all  ;-)

It's not an act - he really *is* dangerous!


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*istD series vs K100D?

[J. C. O'Connell]

I have heard a lot of comparisons of
the *istD series cameras with the K10D.
I am curious though, other than the
"SR" system, how do these K100 series
cameras compare to the *istD cameras
in image quality? 

Essentially the same?

jco


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Re: TAv mode: Useful!

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes. With the camera in TAV mode go to the function menu. You can set  
the range for the auto ISO.
Paul
On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

> I wonder. For critical work; is it possible to limit the ISO range  
> to, let
> us say 800 or lower, in Tav mode?
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
>
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> Hamilton
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> Subject: TAv mode: Useful!
>
> After a couple of weeks with the K10D, I'm finding TAv as my go-to
> mode a lot, often in low light situations.  I often want a certain
> amount of DOF (say, f/8), and I don't want to go below the reciprocal
> focal length, so I set the shutter speed (say, 1/30).  Having 1/3
> stops in ISO is great!
>
> Thoroughly enjoying the camera.  I just need some more time to get
> really comfortable with having two wheels.  My DS spent most of it's
> time on Av mode, and I used ev comp occaisionally.
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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[Mark Roberts]

Mat Maessen wrote:

>Oh yeah, and I'll actually enter the contest this year, though I have
>no delusions of actually winning. :-)

Thought of offering bribes to the judges? Nah, Dave Brooks didn't cough 
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Re: World Peace

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Walter. Happy holidays to you as well.
Paul
On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:

> After reading the PDML Archives for several months now, and noting the
> various folks from all over the world, with many varied experiences  
> and
> opinions, I am convinced that if enough of you could get together  
> at one
> time, all the worlds problems could be solved, and one heck of a  
> party would
> ensue!!!
> Have a very merry holiday season, whatever your traditions and  
> backgrounds
> dictate!!!
>
> Walt
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