Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users

[Dario Bonazza]

Thanks Bob. I think that now he's going to sleep one night or two.

Dario

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From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users


> Dario,
> He's in for some sleepless nights!
> I've still got a PZ-1p with some film in it
> and an instruction manual somewhere.
> Ask if you have more problems.
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On 2/19/07, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thanks Joe. However, apparently the mein problem is that the guy couldn't
>> sleep without understanding each and every bit of his "new" camera.
>>
>> Dario
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Joe Wilensky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users
>>
>>
>> >I as well used the PZ-1p for quite a while and never used the User
>> > Set feature. But I know it's useful to some photographers, though I
>> > would certainly say he should get to know the camera and most of its
>> > functions quite well before using the "User Set" functions at all. By
>> > then, he'll have a pretty good idea of what particular set of
>> > shooting conditions and settings he'd most like to have available as
>> > a quick memorized setting.
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>It looks to me as though "initializing" the User Set
>> >>Functions means clearing them.
>> >>
>> >>I used a PZ-1p for 10 years and at least 500 rolls of
>> >>film, and never used the "User Set" feature.
>> >>
>> >>Rick
>> >>
>> >>--- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>  Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>>  A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly
>> >>>  purchased secondhand Z1p and
>> >>>  rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the
>> >>>  main question is what's
>> >>>  the difference between:
>> >>>
>> >>>  1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74
>> >>>  of the user manual.
>> >>>
>> >>>  and
>> >>>
>> >>>  2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained
>> >>>  on page 75.
>> >>>
>> >>>  My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you
>> >>>  how to customize the
>> >>>  USER position of the main switch, while the so
>> >>>  called "Initialization" on
>> >>>  page 75 is how to reset to default settings.
>> >>>  Unfortunately I don't have a
>> >>>  Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to
>> >>>  understand what's going
>> >>>  on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to
>> >>>  classic mechanical SLR's
>> >>>  interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a
>> >>>  step for him at all at
>> >>>  once.
>> >>>
>> >>>  Any comments? Thanks a lot.
>> >>>
>> >>>  Dario
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: Accessorize!

[David Mann]

On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:32 PM, Bob W wrote:

> Instead I carry 2 cameras over my shoulders, and keep a day's worth of
> film in waterproof plastic boxers [...]

You must shoot in some really scary places.

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RE: *istD X Sync

[Jens Bladt]

I believe the flash is normally fired in the beginning of the period of
fully opened shutter (first or leading curtain sync) - unless of course the
camera/flash is set to last or trailing curtain sync, which mean that the
falsh will then fire just before closing time.

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> The ambient light should be contributing almost
> nothing to the exposure under these circumstances. The
> duration of the flash exposure is 1/1000-1/20,000 sec,
> depending upon the exposure.  X synch fires the flash
> at the midpoint of the shutter's exposure. So, the
> shutter speed should make no difference at all.
>
> Or is there something I am missing too?

Oh, I'm not complaining about the results I get at 1/125, it does work as
expected.

Its just that every one of my other Pentax bodies (8 in all) allow me to set
them to X sync; either by an explicit X position, or by virtue of the fact
it is a 'standard' shutter speed, like 1/125 etc.

I was just suprised that there is no way to set it to 1/150 at all.  It does
select that with an external dedicated flash, just can't do it with a PC
connection.

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Re: GESO: finally, my photos online

[Russell Kerstetter]

nice gallery pedro, and congratulations on seeking the 'psycological
help', i really like your 'candle' shot

russ

On 2/16/07, Pedro Oliveira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all.
>
> Through the years I fought my fears: will I ever be able to have my
> photos online? It is too difficult, it is too dangerous, it is too...I
> used to think. That's why the only photos I had online were in the AOHC
> Gallery site (thanks, Dario).
>
> Well, with the "psychological" help of my good friend and pdmler Manuel
> Magalhaes I found that it was very easy.
>
> Yes Sir, now, I have my "gallery" online:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/popentax
>
> I think it will be constantly in construction, but it is a beginning.
>
> I intend to be more active in the PESO department from now on. My latest
> photos are those from the K10D folder and were taken last Saturday.
>
> Well, I hope you enjoy them and feel free to comment them. I'm sure I
> will learn a lot from your expertise.
>
> Thanking in advance.
>
> Pedro Oliveira
> Portugal
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Re: PESO - This cold Bud for you

[Russell Kerstetter]

nice one!  I like the composition, colors, the air bubbles in the ice
and the couple reflections off the drips

russ

On 2/18/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check out
>
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>
> K10D, 200mm f4.0 ED Macro, handheld, 1/160, f8.0, 400 ISO
>
> Comments appreciated
>
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Re: PESO -- Threatening Skies, Calm Seas

[Russell Kerstetter]

oohh, the high contrast is very nice!  it actually looks like a storm,
the other just looks like clouds to me

russ

On 2/17/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I posted the color version of this a few months ago.  I've made a couple
> of B&W conversions one a significantly higher contrast, than the other
> and I'm looking for opinions.  So here they are.
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_tscs_a.html
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_tscs_b.html
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Re: PESO - tracks in the snow

[Russell Kerstetter]

oh, and 889 too, it has interesting textures!
russ

On 2/19/07, Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> nice abstracts, I would crop out the grass in the top, I also like 881
> too, although would crop out the shadow at top.  it looks like you
> have something on your lens or sensor...
>
> russ
>
> > Mat Maessen
>
> > http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/snowtracks/IMGP0861.jpg.html
> >
> > -Mat
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Re: PESO - tracks in the snow

[Russell Kerstetter]

nice abstracts, I would crop out the grass in the top, I also like 881
too, although would crop out the shadow at top.  it looks like you
have something on your lens or sensor...

russ

> Mat Maessen

> http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/snowtracks/IMGP0861.jpg.html
>
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Re: PESO: ref. DRI vs. HDR

[Russell Kerstetter]

nice composition and subject, your industrial shots are always full of
visual interest.  as for the processing, to me it looks natural.  if
you had not mentioned it, I would not have thought of any kind of
manipulation

russ

On 2/19/07, Ralf R. Radermacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Looks af if DRI and HDR weren't quite the same.

> Here's a b/w example done with DRI:
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/8015472

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Re: Pentax debug modes

[Kenneth Waller]

He's just resting.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: Re: Pentax debug modes


> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Subject: Re: Pentax debug modes
> 
> 
>> Yawn...
> 
> Are you dead yet?
> 
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Re: Why I want a real M42 DSLR

[Adam Maas]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> On 2/19/07, Mat Maessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 2/19/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Even in this small size, your test shot appears to be very sharp. I
>>> was always very fond of that lens. I gave mine to a friend when she
>>> bought a Spotmatic.
>> I still have one, with the hood, in the original case. It's probably
>> been mounted to a camera maybe a dozen times. It would take a lot to
>> make me sell it.
>>
>>> The best chance for an M42 digital would be if Zeiss decided to
>>> expand their M42 lens line. But it's still a longshot by any measure.
>> I'd vote for Cosina being the first to produce such a beast. They
>> already have in production an M42 film SLR, after all.
>>
>>From what I understand, Cosina's Voigtlander brand SLRs are no longer
> in production.  They've decided their niche is rangefinder cameras.
> But I do agree 100% that if someone decided to make an M42 DSLR,
> Cosina would be involved - much like the Epson RD-1.  (Maybe they'll
> put a manual shutter cock on it, too).  Regardless of interest, I
> can't see anyone other than Cosina being in a position to start
> cranking out M42 bodies.
> 
> It's a pipe dream, though.  Ain't gonna happen.  But if it did I'd
> probably buy one or two.
> 

Actually, the Bessaflex TM is still around. They discontinued the black 
one but kept the silver Topcon lookalike in production. It's essentially 
similar to the Rangefinders as well as the Nikon FM10 that Cosina still 
builds.

The Voightlander lenses are being discontinued though, as the production 
line is being used for the ZF and ZS Zeiss lenses.

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Re: Frank & Shel

[Rick Womer]

You caught him off guard.  He introduced himself to
everyone else last year as Brad Dobo.

--- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No, when I met him at GFM he introduced himself as
> "Norm Bower", 
> everyone seemed to know who he was but I could not
> place him in my mind. 
> It was only after I got home that I realized he was
> saying "Norm Bauer" 
> a name I did recognize.
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> >> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 07:58:59 GMT
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> Subject: Re: Frank & Shel
> >>
> >> The obvious reply to that straight line is, "You
> haven't met Norm".
> >>
> >> With apologies to Norm who, except for being a
> manic practical joker, 
> >> seems like a nice guy. I still do not remember no
> "Norm Bower" from the 
> >> list though .
> > 
> > Does he pronounce it "Boffer"?
> > 
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Re: Frank & Shel

[graywolf]

No, when I met him at GFM he introduced himself as "Norm Bower", 
everyone seemed to know who he was but I could not place him in my mind. 
It was only after I got home that I realized he was saying "Norm Bauer" 
a name I did recognize.

mike wilson wrote:
>> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 07:58:59 GMT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Re: Frank & Shel
>>
>> The obvious reply to that straight line is, "You haven't met Norm".
>>
>> With apologies to Norm who, except for being a manic practical joker, 
>> seems like a nice guy. I still do not remember no "Norm Bower" from the 
>> list though .
> 
> Does he pronounce it "Boffer"?
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Re: What EI are you getting for your Pentax DSLR using sunny F16 rule?

[Paul Stenquist]

That's pretty much the same as a film camera shooting negative film.  
Sunny 16 is really closer to sunny 11.
Paul
On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:53 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> I am finding my istDS isnt really full ISO
> speed when using the "sunny F16" mode of
> exposure. For example, when I use the DSLR camera
> set at ISO200 (which I use most of the time),
> I usually get my best "sunny f16" exposures at EI 160
> (1/[EMAIL PROTECTED] or equiv.). Thats not too bad really. Since I
> know this now, I can get pretty close by
> guesstimate techniques I have used for years
> and then tweek/bracket as needed, all in manual
> mode.
>
> Anybody else notice or test their camera for
> this "sunny f16" rule and what EI are you getting
> for the DSLR camera set to ISO200?
>
> jco
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Re: Cobblers redeux

[Bob Sullivan]

Yes, positive.
I see the curved curb as a very modern thing in juxtaposition to the
old, worn look of the shop front and old square sign.  This photo made
me think of a still life painting, with everything arranged just so.
Shop, sign, curb, motorcycle.
Regards, Bob S.

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> > John,
> > Better I think.
> > My attention is drawn to the modern curve of the curb at the bottom
> > versus the rectangular sign at the top and general oldness of the structure.
>
> Forgive me asking, in a positive way?
>
> Regards,
>
> John
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RE: question about ShopDigitalCorp.com

[Rod Connan]

Take a look at http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Sigma_4_Less

Rod

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Can I join in?  What about sigma4less.com?  Anyone heard of them?

Bong

On 2/19/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And almost all of these new shops are fly by night operations out of
> Brooklyn, usually just rebadging some other scam site that had seen its
> sales drop as word gets out.
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Re: Running Vista?

[Jack Davis]

Thanks for your confirming remarks, Mark.
I'll just relax and like it..for now.

Jack

Jack
--- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> >Anyone running Vista? Impressions, good or not? 
> >I am, and so far it feels little different than XP. No, I'm not
> >claiming that's necessarily a recommendation. It came on a new
> computer
> 
> I got a new laptop computer on Friday and it naturally came with
> Vista. 
> I was prepared to loathe it but I must reluctantly admit I'm starting
> 
> to be impressed. I'm giving myself a bit of time to adjust: One thing
> 
> studies of interface design have shown is people always prefer an 
> inferior interface they're accustomed to over a superior one that's 
> unfamiliar, so my early comfort level is a good sign.
> 
> I like it enough to start loading my software on the new machine at 
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Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users

[Bob Sullivan]

Dario,
He's in for some sleepless nights!
I've still got a PZ-1p with some film in it
and an instruction manual somewhere.
Ask if you have more problems.
Regards, Bob S.

On 2/19/07, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Joe. However, apparently the mein problem is that the guy couldn't
> sleep without understanding each and every bit of his "new" camera.
>
> Dario
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe Wilensky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users
>
>
> >I as well used the PZ-1p for quite a while and never used the User
> > Set feature. But I know it's useful to some photographers, though I
> > would certainly say he should get to know the camera and most of its
> > functions quite well before using the "User Set" functions at all. By
> > then, he'll have a pretty good idea of what particular set of
> > shooting conditions and settings he'd most like to have available as
> > a quick memorized setting.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >>It looks to me as though "initializing" the User Set
> >>Functions means clearing them.
> >>
> >>I used a PZ-1p for 10 years and at least 500 rolls of
> >>film, and never used the "User Set" feature.
> >>
> >>Rick
> >>
> >>--- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>  Hi,
> >>>
> >>>  A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly
> >>>  purchased secondhand Z1p and
> >>>  rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the
> >>>  main question is what's
> >>>  the difference between:
> >>>
> >>>  1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74
> >>>  of the user manual.
> >>>
> >>>  and
> >>>
> >>>  2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained
> >>>  on page 75.
> >>>
> >>>  My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you
> >>>  how to customize the
> >>>  USER position of the main switch, while the so
> >>>  called "Initialization" on
> >>>  page 75 is how to reset to default settings.
> >>>  Unfortunately I don't have a
> >>>  Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to
> >>>  understand what's going
> >>>  on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to
> >>>  classic mechanical SLR's
> >>>  interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a
> >>>  step for him at all at
> >>>  once.
> >>>
> >>>  Any comments? Thanks a lot.
> >>>
> >>>  Dario
> >>>
> >>>
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What EI are you getting for your Pentax DSLR using sunny F16 rule?

[J. C. O'Connell]

I am finding my istDS isnt really full ISO
speed when using the "sunny F16" mode of
exposure. For example, when I use the DSLR camera
set at ISO200 (which I use most of the time),
I usually get my best "sunny f16" exposures at EI 160
(1/[EMAIL PROTECTED] or equiv.). Thats not too bad really. Since I
know this now, I can get pretty close by
guesstimate techniques I have used for years
and then tweek/bracket as needed, all in manual
mode.

Anybody else notice or test their camera for 
this "sunny f16" rule and what EI are you getting
for the DSLR camera set to ISO200?

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RE: Why I want a real M42 DSLR

[J. C. O'Connell]

Oh yeah, I fogot to mention, this wasnt even shot
RAW mode, this was a 6MP jpeg *** image set to sRGB for
 web usage only. I did bracket the exposure in 1/3 stops to make
sure I got a good one. It was 1/640 at F8, @ ISO200, IIRC.

jco

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Subject: Why I want a real M42 DSLR


Why I want a real M42 DSLR:

www.jchriso.com/temp/020728h2.jpg

I took the sample test photo above today
of a user smct 200mm f4.0 I am selling
and I must say it looks petty damn good
in comparison to any of my other lenses
in terms of sharpness, contrast, saturation
and overall rendering. ( resolution impossible
to see of course in this reduced for web image ). Not
bad for an approx 35 yr old lens. So far
I have been very impressed with every m42
Pentax SMCT lens I have tried on the istDS.
But a real M42 SLR would be so much easier
to use. I really hate the auto/manual mode switching
or opening aperture up and down routine on PK bodies
with m42 adapters like this.


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Re: Let's talk about titles

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Franklin wrote:

>Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>>> In most cases, "untitled" says to me, "I'm a pretentious asshole."
>> 
>> Funny, I feel just the opposite way.
>
>To me, displaying it without a title is not pretentious.  Displaying it
>with a plaque of "Untitled" is pretentious as hell. ;-)

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Re: Running Vista?

[Mark Roberts]

Jack Davis wrote:

>Anyone running Vista? Impressions, good or not? 
>I am, and so far it feels little different than XP. No, I'm not
>claiming that's necessarily a recommendation. It came on a new computer

I got a new laptop computer on Friday and it naturally came with Vista. 
I was prepared to loathe it but I must reluctantly admit I'm starting 
to be impressed. I'm giving myself a bit of time to adjust: One thing 
studies of interface design have shown is people always prefer an 
inferior interface they're accustomed to over a superior one that's 
unfamiliar, so my early comfort level is a good sign.

I like it enough to start loading my software on the new machine at 
this point...


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Re: Why I want a real M42 DSLR

[Scott Loveless]

On 2/19/07, Mat Maessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/19/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Even in this small size, your test shot appears to be very sharp. I
> > was always very fond of that lens. I gave mine to a friend when she
> > bought a Spotmatic.
>
> I still have one, with the hood, in the original case. It's probably
> been mounted to a camera maybe a dozen times. It would take a lot to
> make me sell it.
>
> > The best chance for an M42 digital would be if Zeiss decided to
> > expand their M42 lens line. But it's still a longshot by any measure.
>
> I'd vote for Cosina being the first to produce such a beast. They
> already have in production an M42 film SLR, after all.
>
>From what I understand, Cosina's Voigtlander brand SLRs are no longer
in production.  They've decided their niche is rangefinder cameras.
But I do agree 100% that if someone decided to make an M42 DSLR,
Cosina would be involved - much like the Epson RD-1.  (Maybe they'll
put a manual shutter cock on it, too).  Regardless of interest, I
can't see anyone other than Cosina being in a position to start
cranking out M42 bodies.

It's a pipe dream, though.  Ain't gonna happen.  But if it did I'd
probably buy one or two.

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Re: Compact Drive 70x Question

[Bill Lawlor]

Marc, I just got back from a month in India using the PD70X(80) and a
Wolverine (40), the latter to back up the former. I bought some chinese
batteries NiMH 2000s. The PD70X works fine with my 2gb SD cards. I didn't
try the backup mode because I used another drive for insurance. The only
quirk I have noticed with the PD70X is occasionally it quits and says "Error
19" but turning it off and on again clears it up. Gave me near heart
failure, the first time!  I saved 40Gb on each drive and it all copied to my
computer drive without problems. I hope yours workd out OK.
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Re: Let's talk about titles

[Doug Franklin]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
>> In most cases, "untitled" says to me, "I'm a pretentious asshole."
> 
> Funny, I feel just the opposite way.

To me, displaying it without a title is not pretentious.  Displaying it
with a plaque of "Untitled" is pretentious as hell. ;-)

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Re: Adobe Lightroom v1.0 is available

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Working with v1.0 ...

I installed on the PowerMac G5 and let it ingest and update the  
Lightroom v4.1 beta library. That's 28,000 photo files to date, added  
incrementally. It took about 3 hours. I had some minor issues ... one  
file missing (I'd deleted the temp directory it was in some weeks  
ago), and for a little bit the Grid mode wouldn't show thumbnails in  
the expanded mode (setting the View Options to defaults and saving  
that fixed it). Other than the occasional pause as it generates  
standard and 1:1 previews, it runs very nicely on this system

Now to really learn all the new stuff... and there's a lot of it!

Godfrey

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Re: Let's talk about titles

[P. J. Alling]

A whale of a tail?

mike wilson wrote:
> Cotty wrote:
>
>   
>>> Here you go, matey - feast your eyes on these beauties:
>>>
>>> http://www.web-options.com/P6090450.jpg
>>>   
>> Difficult to get the scale...
>> 
>
> And thereby hangs a tail.
>
>   


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Re: Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[P. J. Alling]

Interesting question, if you were selling a print, how would they 
possibly know?

Thibouille wrote:
> Of course I suppose that at long as it is personal stuff but let's say
> you wanna sell a photograph which you managed/conveterd etc with,
> let's say Lightroom Educational version.
>
> Is there any problem with that? There should be, no ?
>
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Re: Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[John Whittingham]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:14:05 -0500 (EST), Mark Roberts wrote
> Thibouille wrote:
> 
> >Well you're not supposed to use it for commercial purpose.
> 
> Where did you get this? I couldn't find any such stipulation with my 
> educational version of Photoshop. As far as I can tell, the license 
> agreement is identical to the standard version.

Yeah, they get you early on, so if you become a Pro, you buy what you've 
always used 8)

I'm not knocking it, I get it for free!

John



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Re: Why I want a real M42 DSLR

[Mat Maessen]

On 2/19/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even in this small size, your test shot appears to be very sharp. I
> was always very fond of that lens. I gave mine to a friend when she
> bought a Spotmatic.

I still have one, with the hood, in the original case. It's probably
been mounted to a camera maybe a dozen times. It would take a lot to
make me sell it.

> The best chance for an M42 digital would be if Zeiss decided to
> expand their M42 lens line. But it's still a longshot by any measure.

I'd vote for Cosina being the first to produce such a beast. They
already have in production an M42 film SLR, after all.

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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[David Savage]

At 03:59 AM 20/02/2007, Joseph Tainter wrote:
>On 19/02/07, Joseph Tainter  wrote:
>  > Now I am going to reset my K10D to PEF format.
>
>you might want to test if profile embedded into ACR is good enough for
>your purposes - having used DNG you were using calibration stored in
>DNG by the camera, that is colours were exactly as intended by camera
>vendor for all colour temperatures etc., while using PEF you depend on
>calibration stored in RAW converter. I you are interested I could
>compare calibration of ACR 3.7 PEF vs. DNG using ColorChecker (write
>to brok at spamcop.net ).
>
>
>B.
>
>-
>
>The ACR RAW presets don't match Pentax's presets at all. For the *ist D,
>Rob Studdert wrote some new presets, which I have used. I will see if
>they still work well for the K10D.


I've been using the K10D profiles created by Rob for quite some time and 
they worked great until I loaded ACR 3.7.

Now the default profile (that Rob made) makes the images with that profile 
associated with it pink (All the other profiles work fine BTW). I didn't 
have time to investigate last night, but I'll try and figure out what's 
happening tonight.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Bruce Dayton]

I concur.  It is a great shot and rendering, just crop the left a
little.

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Monday, February 19, 2007, 3:37:44 PM, you wrote:

JD> Wonderful upload! Textures are great.
JD> Only thing that I might try would be to crop the left end of the dock
JD> to eliminate the "leaning" larger pipe and the square dark thing on the
JD> opposite side. That would, also, take out the two smaller diameter rail
JD> posts.

JD> Jack
JD> --- Fernando Terrazzino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I
>> come
>> from a warmer place.
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
>> 
>> Lake Ontario,
>> Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
>> ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
>> Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab
>> Converted to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
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RE: *istD X Sync

[Jens Bladt]

Any speed equal to or below 1/150 will do.
I always use it on Manual when using a flash.
The TTL-flash automatics still works, you know!
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Emne: *istD X Sync


Am I completely missing something, or is there no way to set the *istD to
its X Sync speed manually?

I recall messing with this back when I first got it, but didn't really
pursue it because the external flash I was using was dedicated anyway, so
it'd work itself out.

Now that its become part of my "second kit" since the K10D, I'm using an
older (PC connection) flash... it all works fine (yes, I checked the trigger
voltage), I'm using it in M, set the flash and camera to the same aperture,
but of course I can only set the *istD to 1/125.

In theory, X Sync is 1/150... but my other options (depending on half or
third EV setting) are 1/160 or 1/180...

Am I being thick, or does this seem really silly?

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Re: Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[Thibouille]

I suppose I misread "commercial environment" then.

WWhen you buy a software online from Adobe, do you buy the software
(the serial) or the software in a specific language? I suppose I could
latergo French version if so is my desire but would like confirmation
(couple more weeks to wait for translations).

2007/2/20, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Thibouille wrote:
>
> >Well you're not supposed to use it for commercial purpose.
>
> Where did you get this? I couldn't find any such stipulation with my
> educational version of Photoshop. As far as I can tell, the license
> agreement is identical to the standard version.
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Re: Pentax K10D - high ISO examples

[Brendan MacRae]

Remarkable that there's almost imperceptable blur for
shots taken a 1/2 sec. Terrific.

-Brendan
--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This page illustrates why I feel the K10D produces
> satisfactory  
> results at ISO 800 and 1600:
> 
>http://homepage.mac.com/godders/K10D-highISO/
> They're not "noiseless" but they do show good
> quality all the way  
> down into the shadows and will print to an 11x14
> pretty nicely.
> 
> It also demonstrates that the image stabilization is
> quite effective!  
> both of these are hand-held, half-second exposures.
> 
> enjoy
> Godfrey 
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Re: Why I want a real M42 DSLR

[Paul Stenquist]

Even in this small size, your test shot appears to be very sharp. I  
was always very fond of that lens. I gave mine to a friend when she  
bought a Spotmatic.
The best chance for an M42 digital would be if Zeiss decided to  
expand their M42 lens line. But it's still a longshot by any measure.
Paul
On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:07 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Why I want a real M42 DSLR:
>
> www.jchriso.com/temp/020728h2.jpg
>
> I took the sample test photo above today
> of a user smct 200mm f4.0 I am selling
> and I must say it looks petty damn good
> in comparison to any of my other lenses
> in terms of sharpness, contrast, saturation
> and overall rendering. ( resolution impossible
> to see of course in this reduced for web image ). Not
> bad for an approx 35 yr old lens. So far
> I have been very impressed with every m42
> Pentax SMCT lens I have tried on the istDS.
> But a real M42 SLR would be so much easier
> to use. I really hate the auto/manual mode switching
> or opening aperture up and down routine on PK bodies
> with m42 adapters like this.
>
>
> jco
>
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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Tom C]

My thoughts exactly.  It would eliminate the distracting elements and still 
leave a wonderful prespective.  Nice job!



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>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:37:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Wonderful upload! Textures are great.
>Only thing that I might try would be to crop the left end of the dock
>to eliminate the "leaning" larger pipe and the square dark thing on the
>opposite side. That would, also, take out the two smaller diameter rail
>posts.
>
>Jack
>--- Fernando Terrazzino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I
> > come
> > from a warmer place.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
> >
> > Lake Ontario,
> > Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
> > ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
> > Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab
> > Converted to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels
> >
> > Comments appreciated.
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Re: PESO: ref. DRI vs. HDR

[Adam Maas]

With real HDR in the Photomatix software, there are two Tone Mapping 
techniques, one produces similar results to this shot (Tone Compressor), 
the other produces the really unreal results(Details Enhancer).

-Adam


Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> Looks af if DRI and HDR weren't quite the same. 
> 
> At least not in the software I'm using. Whereas HDR combines several
> shots into a file with an enormous dynamic range which can neither be
> printed nor viewed on a monitor with all this information and thus needs
> another step called tone-mapping to be useable for screen or paper
> output, DRI simply uses a clever masking technique to fill up the
> blown-out highlights from the frames taken at the longer exposure times
> with information extracted from those taken with shorter times. 
> 
> The results look in fact very different. This tone-mapping business
> produces a very peculiar but inherently unnatural look which seems to be
> all the rage in some circles, currently, while DRI can produce very
> natural-looking results if applied sparingly.
> 
> Here's a b/w example done with DRI:
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/8015472
> 
> As usual, your comments are welcome.
> 
> Ralf
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Re: Pentax debug modes

[Paul Stenquist]

Not as dead as film:-). And not mourning it either.
Paul
On Feb 19, 2007, at 5:23 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: Pentax debug modes
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>
>> Yawn...
>
> Are you dead yet?
>
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Re: Why I want a real M42 DSLR

[Scott Loveless]

On 2/19/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
> > Why I want a real M42 DSLR:
> >
> > www.jchriso.com/temp/020728h2.jpg
>
> I never realised those old lenses could do colour as well.  Damn!
>
The lenses do color just fine.  It's the old cameras that can't.

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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice shot. I like the grey mood. Well composed.
Paul
On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Fernando Terrazzino wrote:

> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
> from a warmer place.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
>
> Lake Ontario,
> Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
> ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
> Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab
> Converted to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels
>
> Comments appreciated.
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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Thibouille]

Today it is the opposite, I realize at school teachers always tought
us that performance wasn't a big deal since power of computers was
going up so much anyway.

In my limited experience, it made people not care at all about
performance which is pretty puch stupid. Of course spending a byte
more or less here and there is a silly question but no care about
performance !?

Never understood their POV. Maybe it goes all too fast for them ;)


2007/2/19, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I worked on projects where saving a couple of bytes in a character
> string ended up in hardware/storage savings figures in the Millions of
> dollars.  The Y2K problem was mostly the result of that kind of analysis.
>
> Bruce Dayton wrote:
> > Kind of reminds me of the Y2K problem - the older programmers thought
> > they wouldn't need to deal with it, so didn't...until...
> >
> > Since you know you are going to end up with the problem, why not just
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> > later?  The solutions aren't really too tough.
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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Mike Hamilton]

On 2/19/07, Fernando Terrazzino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
> from a warmer place.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
>

That's beautiful.  I really like the tones and clarity of the image.
Good size, too.  Nice work!

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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Jack Davis]

Wonderful upload! Textures are great.
Only thing that I might try would be to crop the left end of the dock
to eliminate the "leaning" larger pipe and the square dark thing on the
opposite side. That would, also, take out the two smaller diameter rail
posts.

Jack
--- Fernando Terrazzino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I
> come
> from a warmer place.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
> 
> Lake Ontario,
> Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
> ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
> Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab
> Converted to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels
> 
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Running Vista?

[Jack Davis]

Anyone running Vista? Impressions, good or not? 
I am, and so far it feels little different than XP. No, I'm not
claiming that's necessarily a recommendation. It came on a new computer
(I mentioned my "crash" of about two weeks ago) and other than a
resistance to my wife's trying to load some old programs, has behaved
it's self. 
I had planned to watch the performance for awhile before making a
decision about installing it. I hadn't detected any signs of an excited
rush to buy it. 
Seems stable and crisp but still, would appreciate being alerted to any
operational negatives. 

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Re: Why I want a real M42 DSLR

[mike wilson]

J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Why I want a real M42 DSLR:
> 
> www.jchriso.com/temp/020728h2.jpg

I never realised those old lenses could do colour as well.  Damn!

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Re: Let's talk about titles

[mike wilson]

Cotty wrote:

> 
>>Here you go, matey - feast your eyes on these beauties:
>>
>>http://www.web-options.com/P6090450.jpg
> 
> 
> Difficult to get the scale...

And thereby hangs a tail.

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Re: Pentax debug modes

[Tom Simpson]

Think of is this way... all of these adjustments were legitimate issues 
(accurate focusing, metering, etc)  40+ years ago. Nothing has changed 
aside from the fact that many of the things that can and do go wrong are 
now readily tweakable using the press of a few buttons rather than a 
jewelers toolbox full of specialized implements of destruction. Add to 
that the fact that the whole film side of the darkroom is now contained 
in the camera if desired, or can be moved to a mundane PC and the whole 
print side to a common inkjet printer, and you have a recipe for a new 
golden age of photography.


-Tom

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Bob W wrote:
>
>   
>> is this really what photography has come to?
>> 
>
> Nope. This is what being an equipment gearhead has come to.
> Actually, it hasn't "come to" this; it's been this way for a long, long 
> time. Only the details and terminology have changed.
>
>
>   
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>> Behalf Of Roman
>>> Sent: 19 February 2007 10:14
>>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>>> Subject: Pentax debug modes
>>>
>>> There's special debug modes for dl, ds, ds2, k100d Pentax DSLR for 
>>> instance to shift AF point. Can anyone comment this?
>>>
>>> STEP
>>> 1. Power OFF
>>>While pressing [AE-L]+[INFO], turn the camera on.
>>>Firmware is desplayed on LCD.
>>>Press [MENU]->[MENU]->[INFO] within 5 seconds.
>>>You can see DEBUG mode screen.
>>>By pressing [Right key],Make [DEBUG MODE DIS] to [DEBUG MODE EN].
>>>Then, Press [OK].
>>>
>>> 2. Press [MENU], you can see setup menu.
>>>By pressing [Up key], select AF TEST.
>>>By pressing [Right key], go into AF TEST menu.
>>>By pressing [Down key], select FOCUS CORR.
>>>now you can adjust shift amount by pressing [right key] or [left
>>> key].
>>>(*Don't touch AF Area Test.)
>>>after changing the value, Press [OK] to save.
>>> 3. Test your camera that Focus is corrected.
>>>(repeat step 2. till you satisfy the result.)
>>> 4. Power OFF
>>>While pressing [AE-L]+[INFO], turn the camera on.
>>>Firmware is desplayed on LCD.
>>>Press [MENU]->[MENU]->[INFO] within 5 seconds.
>>>You can see DEBUG mode screen.
>>>By pressing [Right key],Make [DEBUG MODE EN] to [DEBUG MODE DIS].
>>>Then, Press [OK].
>>> 5. Go out and enjoy!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, You YOURSELF is responsible for doing this process.
>>>
>>>
>>> Capture debug simply brings capture details normally not presented
>>>   
>> to 
>> 
>>> photographer, but I'd love to hear some things about AF 
>>> shift. What does 
>>> it shift, it can't be focus points themselves, but rather a focus 
>>> distance which is dangrouns thing to adjust as I see.
>>>
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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Cotty]

On 19/2/07, Fernando Terrazzino, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
>from a warmer place.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
>
>Lake Ontario,
>Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
>ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
>Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab
>Converted to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels
>
>Comments appreciated.

That's a stunning shot, beautifully presented. Well done Fernando.

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Why I want a real M42 DSLR

[J. C. O'Connell]

Why I want a real M42 DSLR:

www.jchriso.com/temp/020728h2.jpg

I took the sample test photo above today
of a user smct 200mm f4.0 I am selling
and I must say it looks petty damn good
in comparison to any of my other lenses
in terms of sharpness, contrast, saturation
and overall rendering. ( resolution impossible
to see of course in this reduced for web image ). Not
bad for an approx 35 yr old lens. So far
I have been very impressed with every m42
Pentax SMCT lens I have tried on the istDS.
But a real M42 SLR would be so much easier
to use. I really hate the auto/manual mode switching
or opening aperture up and down routine on PK bodies
with m42 adapters like this.


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Re: Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[Mark Roberts]

Thibouille wrote:

>Well you're not supposed to use it for commercial purpose.

Where did you get this? I couldn't find any such stipulation with my 
educational version of Photoshop. As far as I can tell, the license 
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Re: Let's talk about titles

[Cotty]

>Here you go, matey - feast your eyes on these beauties:
>
>http://www.web-options.com/P6090450.jpg

Difficult to get the scale...





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PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Fernando Terrazzino]

I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
from a warmer place.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o

Lake Ontario,
Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab
Converted to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels

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RE: Adobe Lightroom v1.0 is available

[Bob W]

I've downloaded the Windows version, and will licence it when the copy
I ordered arrives. It seems to be a bit snappier than the Beta. I have
1.5 GB RAM and a 2 GHz CPU.

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
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> Sent: 19 February 2007 21:49
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> Subject: Re: Adobe Lightroom v1.0 is available
> 
> I downloaded the LR v.1.0 trial, and it's much faster on my G4
> Powerbook 1.33 with 1.25GB RAM than the v.4.1 beta.  I placed my
order
> with the education store (expensive shipping!!).  I have to submit
> some proof of my employment with an academic institution.  Will do
> that soon.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 2/19/07, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Finally, I'll check that ASAP.
> >
> > 2007/2/19, Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > FYI, the Education Edition of Lightroom now shows up in 
> the Education
> > > store off the Adobe web site.
> > >
> > > On 2/19/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Just downloaded the Mac OS X trial version of Adobe 
> Lightroom v1.0
> > > > release. (I pre-ordered a box copy with physical media, 
> will register
> > > > LR when that arrives.)
> > > >
> > > > - Pentax K10D PEF files are now supported.
> > > > - Camera Raw v3.7 and DNG Converter v3.7 are also available.
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[Cotty]

Anyone living in / visiting the UK who would like a list of free wifi
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Re: Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[John Whittingham]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:26:28 +0100, Thibouille wrote
> Of course I suppose that at long as it is personal stuff but let's 
> say you wanna sell a photograph which you managed/conveterd etc with,
>  let's say Lightroom Educational version.
> 
> Is there any problem with that? There should be, no ?
> 

If you're using *licensed* educational software as a student or member of 
staff, at an educational establishment there is no problem at all, at least 
not in the UK. Happens all the time.

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Re: Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[Thibouille]

Well you're not supposed to use it for commercial purpose.

If it is indeed a problem, I would violate licence terms. Mmm not
paying at all would be about the same (legally speaking) IMO (could be
wrong).

I really wish to buy educational. Just securing the investment ;)


> I don't see why there would be a problem, nor how anyone would know
> that you used an education version of any software.
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Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[Thibouille]

Of course I suppose that at long as it is personal stuff but let's say
you wanna sell a photograph which you managed/conveterd etc with,
let's say Lightroom Educational version.

Is there any problem with that? There should be, no ?

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Re: Let's talk about titles

[P. J. Alling]

With a cat it's not personal it's only business.

Tom C wrote:
>> oooh not always
>> words sometimes cloud meaning.
>>
>> But, like Mark, I'll title or caption for keeping track of the photos
>> and for reference,
>>
>> Of course, if you exhibit a photo of a cassin's finch I'd appreciate
>> seeing "cassin's finch"
>> as a caption or part of it.
>>
>> If you took a photo during hurricane Katrina I'd expect to be told that
>> by the title.
>>
>> However, I once posted a photo taken days after 9.11 and didn't title it
>> as such intentionally
>>
>> ann
>>
>> 
>
> I like being told a cat's name in the title or caption.  That way I can hate 
> it personally. ;-)
>
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PESO: ref. DRI vs. HDR

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Looks af if DRI and HDR weren't quite the same. 

At least not in the software I'm using. Whereas HDR combines several
shots into a file with an enormous dynamic range which can neither be
printed nor viewed on a monitor with all this information and thus needs
another step called tone-mapping to be useable for screen or paper
output, DRI simply uses a clever masking technique to fill up the
blown-out highlights from the frames taken at the longer exposure times
with information extracted from those taken with shorter times. 

The results look in fact very different. This tone-mapping business
produces a very peculiar but inherently unnatural look which seems to be
all the rage in some circles, currently, while DRI can produce very
natural-looking results if applied sparingly.

Here's a b/w example done with DRI:

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/8015472

As usual, your comments are welcome.

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Re: Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[Mike Hamilton]

On 2/19/07, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course I suppose that at long as it is personal stuff but let's say
> you wanna sell a photograph which you managed/conveterd etc with,
> let's say Lightroom Educational version.
>
> Is there any problem with that? There should be, no ?

I don't see why there would be a problem, nor how anyone would know
that you used an education version of any software.

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Re: Pentax debug modes

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: Pentax debug modes


> Yawn...

Are you dead yet?

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Re: My Blog page

[mike wilson]

Reshoe.  And a good grooming.

P. J. Alling wrote:
> What does he win, a feedbag?
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> David J Brooks wrote:
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>>>On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:39 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
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I'm going to have a weekly spelling bee.:-)

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Re: Let's talk about titles

[Tom C]

>oooh not always
>words sometimes cloud meaning.
>
>But, like Mark, I'll title or caption for keeping track of the photos
>and for reference,
>
>Of course, if you exhibit a photo of a cassin's finch I'd appreciate
>seeing "cassin's finch"
>as a caption or part of it.
>
>If you took a photo during hurricane Katrina I'd expect to be told that
>by the title.
>
>However, I once posted a photo taken days after 9.11 and didn't title it
>as such intentionally
>
>ann
>

I like being told a cat's name in the title or caption.  That way I can hate 
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RE: K10D overexposure anyone?

[Jens Bladt]

I second that, Boris. 2-3 steps is way out of line.
Have you - Dario - checked if your lens(es) have a "slow aperture syndrom",
which in my experince (26 years with Pentax) is  the most common reason for
over exposure?
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Emne: Re: K10D overexposure anyone?


Dario, I have re-read your original post where you mention as much as +2
and +3 Ev overexposure. I humbly suggest that you have your camera
examined by Pentax service.

Dario Bonazza wrote:
> Thanks Boris. So you found the D prone to overexpose? Amazing. You are the
> first one telling me that. My experience (and a lot of others') say
> underexposure.
> However, I found the D to be far more foreseeable, while the K10D is sort
of
> a guess. I have to check all pictures one by one. Shot two pictures in
quick
> sequence (with the same framing and same settings) and you often get two
> different exposures. My D doesn't do that.

Ultimately, I should say that for 95% of the times both (formerly) my
*istD and (currently my) K10D were giving very consistent exposures. I
think that +/- 0.3 Ev is within reasonable tolerance.

It is worth mentioning that with K10D I haven't used non-A lenses. All
my current lenses are either FA, or F, or their third party equivalent.

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Re: RE: Pentax debug modes

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:

>is this really what photography has come to?

Nope. This is what being an equipment gearhead has come to.
Actually, it hasn't "come to" this; it's been this way for a long, long 
time. Only the details and terminology have changed.


>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Roman
>> Sent: 19 February 2007 10:14
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Pentax debug modes
>> 
>> There's special debug modes for dl, ds, ds2, k100d Pentax DSLR for 
>> instance to shift AF point. Can anyone comment this?
>> 
>> STEP
>> 1. Power OFF
>>While pressing [AE-L]+[INFO], turn the camera on.
>>Firmware is desplayed on LCD.
>>Press [MENU]->[MENU]->[INFO] within 5 seconds.
>>You can see DEBUG mode screen.
>>By pressing [Right key],Make [DEBUG MODE DIS] to [DEBUG MODE EN].
>>Then, Press [OK].
>> 
>> 2. Press [MENU], you can see setup menu.
>>By pressing [Up key], select AF TEST.
>>By pressing [Right key], go into AF TEST menu.
>>By pressing [Down key], select FOCUS CORR.
>>now you can adjust shift amount by pressing [right key] or [left
>> key].
>>(*Don't touch AF Area Test.)
>>after changing the value, Press [OK] to save.
>> 3. Test your camera that Focus is corrected.
>>(repeat step 2. till you satisfy the result.)
>> 4. Power OFF
>>While pressing [AE-L]+[INFO], turn the camera on.
>>Firmware is desplayed on LCD.
>>Press [MENU]->[MENU]->[INFO] within 5 seconds.
>>You can see DEBUG mode screen.
>>By pressing [Right key],Make [DEBUG MODE EN] to [DEBUG MODE DIS].
>>Then, Press [OK].
>> 5. Go out and enjoy!!
>> 
>> 
>> Again, You YOURSELF is responsible for doing this process.
>> 
>> 
>> Capture debug simply brings capture details normally not presented
>to 
>> photographer, but I'd love to hear some things about AF 
>> shift. What does 
>> it shift, it can't be focus points themselves, but rather a focus 
>> distance which is dangrouns thing to adjust as I see.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> new photos ever so often... 
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Re: Pentax debug modes

[pnstenquist]

Yawn...
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> 
> I.m starting to think photography will die with film.
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Re: My Blog page

[frank theriault]

On 2/19/07, ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I resisted that one...

You shouldn't resist.  It only makes it harder in the end...

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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[Tom C]

>
>Hi Tom,
>
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601441
>
>simply beautiful. Just out of curiosity I've tried to crop it slightly
>from the top (as Ann & Bruce suggested) and - not surprisingly at all -
>it remained beautiful. :-)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Peter
>


Tom C.
Thanks Peter - and thanks for the crop exercise. :-)



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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[Tom C]

Thanks Christian.  Last week was just a good week.



Tom C.


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>
>Tom C wrote:
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601441
> >
> > Tom C.
>
>Dammit, Tom!  Stop already!  Another fantastic shot.
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Re: Let's talk about titles

[ann sanfedele]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>A simple way to think about it:
>
>- images convey context, emotion
>- words convey meaning
>
>Godfrey
>
>  
>
oooh not always
words sometimes cloud meaning.

But, like Mark, I'll title or caption for keeping track of the photos 
and for reference,

Of course, if you exhibit a photo of a cassin's finch I'd appreciate 
seeing "cassin's finch"
as a caption or part of it.

If you took a photo during hurricane Katrina I'd expect to be told that 
by the title.

However, I once posted a photo taken days after 9.11 and didn't title it 
as such intentionally

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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[ann sanfedele]

Peter Lacus wrote:

>Hi Tom,
>
>  
>
>>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601441
>>
>>
>
>simply beautiful. Just out of curiosity I've tried to crop it slightly 
>from the top (as Ann & Bruce suggested) and - not surprisingly at all - 
>it remained beautiful. :-)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Peter
>

I think if you really have a great photo of a certain kind that you can 
crop in a variety of ways
and it is still stunning.  ANd, of course, if you sell a full frame shot 
to a magazine you are
apt to see yet another crop :)


ann

>
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Re: Enablement:Pentax D-BG2

[Thibouille]

Jens, it works the same way as the ist-D: the power switch from the
grip only powers the grip on or off.

After all, this is logical, otherwise, you could end with powered on
camera with a main power switch on "off" position. Weird wouldn't it ?

2007/2/19, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I got my battery grip for the K10D.
> It's very nice. I was surprised that that the camera cant' be turned on by
> using the second (vertical) on/off button!
> I guess it's only there, so I can turn it off, in order to avoid firering
> the shutter unintendedly  - while holding the camera in horisontally.
> My extra battery is on it's way. Having two batteries can be very usefull,
> when it is cold. I can keep one in my pocket and one in the camera. Then
> change batteries if the first one gets too cold!
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Re: Let's talk about titles

[ann sanfedele]

J. C. O'Connell wrote:

>photos can still be cataloged without "titles" for reference.
>any reasonable numbering system can work.
>jco
>  
>
They might be able to be cateloged but may not be able to be found...
all my photo files on my computer have names of what they are in the 
file name
then if I say need to find a particular photo of a place or person I can 
jsut do a fast search with
something like "sally" and check the thumbnails...  if I had only named 
the file image2358943 Id be dead :)

ann

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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[Tom C]

I haven't printed it yet.  I will though.  Thanks.



Tom C.


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>
>Nice, it would make a good front picture for note paper.  What does it
>look like printed really big?
>
>Tom C wrote:
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601441
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Pentax debug modes

[P. J. Alling]

Yes.

Bob W wrote:
> is this really what photography has come to?
>
> --
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>  
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Roman
>> Sent: 19 February 2007 10:14
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Pentax debug modes
>>
>> There's special debug modes for dl, ds, ds2, k100d Pentax DSLR for 
>> instance to shift AF point. Can anyone comment this?
>>
>> STEP
>> 1. Power OFF
>>While pressing [AE-L]+[INFO], turn the camera on.
>>Firmware is desplayed on LCD.
>>Press [MENU]->[MENU]->[INFO] within 5 seconds.
>>You can see DEBUG mode screen.
>>By pressing [Right key],Make [DEBUG MODE DIS] to [DEBUG MODE EN].
>>Then, Press [OK].
>>
>> 2. Press [MENU], you can see setup menu.
>>By pressing [Up key], select AF TEST.
>>By pressing [Right key], go into AF TEST menu.
>>By pressing [Down key], select FOCUS CORR.
>>now you can adjust shift amount by pressing [right key] or [left
>> key].
>>(*Don't touch AF Area Test.)
>>after changing the value, Press [OK] to save.
>> 3. Test your camera that Focus is corrected.
>>(repeat step 2. till you satisfy the result.)
>> 4. Power OFF
>>While pressing [AE-L]+[INFO], turn the camera on.
>>Firmware is desplayed on LCD.
>>Press [MENU]->[MENU]->[INFO] within 5 seconds.
>>You can see DEBUG mode screen.
>>By pressing [Right key],Make [DEBUG MODE EN] to [DEBUG MODE DIS].
>>Then, Press [OK].
>> 5. Go out and enjoy!!
>>
>>
>> Again, You YOURSELF is responsible for doing this process.
>>
>>
>> Capture debug simply brings capture details normally not presented
>> 
> to 
>   
>> photographer, but I'd love to hear some things about AF 
>> shift. What does 
>> it shift, it can't be focus points themselves, but rather a focus 
>> distance which is dangrouns thing to adjust as I see.
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Re: My Blog page

[ann sanfedele]

Norm Baugher wrote:

>I'll take a look and see if it provokes a BM.
>Norm
>
>David J Brooks wrote:
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>
>>Anyway, shoule you want to BM the page.
>>
>>  
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I resisted that one...
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Re: Adobe Lightroom v1.0 is available

[Mike Hamilton]

I downloaded the LR v.1.0 trial, and it's much faster on my G4
Powerbook 1.33 with 1.25GB RAM than the v.4.1 beta.  I placed my order
with the education store (expensive shipping!!).  I have to submit
some proof of my employment with an academic institution.  Will do
that soon.

Mike

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> 2007/2/19, Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > FYI, the Education Edition of Lightroom now shows up in the Education
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> > On 2/19/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > release. (I pre-ordered a box copy with physical media, will register
> > > LR when that arrives.)
> > >
> > > - Pentax K10D PEF files are now supported.
> > > - Camera Raw v3.7 and DNG Converter v3.7 are also available.
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Re: PESO: more DRI

[Christian]

Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> Been playing around some more with DRI and things begin to look
> encouraging:
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/7977355
> 

I really like how the red and yellow jump out in the middle.  Once 
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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[P. J. Alling]

I worked on projects where saving a couple of bytes in a character 
string ended up in hardware/storage savings figures in the Millions of 
dollars.  The Y2K problem was mostly the result of that kind of analysis. 

Bruce Dayton wrote:
> Kind of reminds me of the Y2K problem - the older programmers thought
> they wouldn't need to deal with it, so didn't...until...
>
> Since you know you are going to end up with the problem, why not just
> come up with a solution now, instead of having to go back and fix it
> later?  The solutions aren't really too tough.
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Re: Adobe Lightroom v1.0 is available

[Thibouille]

Finally, I'll check that ASAP.

2007/2/19, Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> FYI, the Education Edition of Lightroom now shows up in the Education
> store off the Adobe web site.
>
> On 2/19/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just downloaded the Mac OS X trial version of Adobe Lightroom v1.0
> > release. (I pre-ordered a box copy with physical media, will register
> > LR when that arrives.)
> >
> > - Pentax K10D PEF files are now supported.
> > - Camera Raw v3.7 and DNG Converter v3.7 are also available.
> >
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Re: Let's talk about titles

[ann sanfedele]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>I was being facetious, Boris. But I've seen "untitled" used in such a 
>manner as to suggest that the work to which it was applied is of such 
>high artistic merit that it would be besmirched by a title. That's 
>pretentious.
>Paul
>On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:16 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Thank you Paul ;-). I shall remember that when I post untitled PESOs 
>>;-).
>>
>>Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In most cases, "untitled" says to me, "I'm a pretentious asshole."
>>>Paul
>>>  
>>>
To me it says I can't think of what to call it :)

ann

p.s.  I like captions of straight info -  where and (sometimes) when - 
but seriously,
I have left things untitled because I don't want to impose anything on 
the viewer -
I leave date and place off only when I don't remember.

That being said -
LIke many here I like to tease with a subject line  though.



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Re: My Blog page

[P. J. Alling]

What does he win, a feedbag?

David J Brooks wrote:
> And Doug's the first week winnier.:-)
>
> Dave
>
> On 2/19/07, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:39 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I'm going to have a weekly spelling bee.:-)
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>   
>> so then it would read "bee weekly"?
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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[P. J. Alling]

Nice, it would make a good front picture for note paper.  What does it 
look like printed really big?

Tom C wrote:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601441
>
> Tom C.
>
>
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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[Christian]

Tom C wrote:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601441
> 
> Tom C.

Dammit, Tom!  Stop already!  Another fantastic shot.


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RE: Let's talk about titles

[Bob W]

> 
> >Giving your response a thought number n+1, I must tell you I am 
> >surprised. Word "titties" has 7 letters in it and word 
> "titles" has just 
> >6. Thus, even if I made a misprint it would have to be very 
> deliberate, 
> >don't you agree?
> 
> Don't be alarmed Boris. We all see what we want to see :-)
> 

Here you go, matey - feast your eyes on these beauties:

http://www.web-options.com/P6090450.jpg

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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[P. J. Alling]

Pentax assumes you'll never own more than one Pentax DSLR, ever!

Bruce Dayton wrote:
> Hello Rob,
>
> When I had only one *istD originally, I was going on my merry way with
> no issues, then got the second one and encountered the problem you are
> facing.  Since my numbers were reasonably far apart, I was ok,
> until...they start to overlap.  What you are suggesting is just
> postponing the problem - not fixing it.  What I finally concluded was
> that I needed to rename the files upon download rather than rely on
> the camera bodies to do it.  So I set them to reset the counter each
> time a blank card was placed in it and started naming the files on
> download according to either a job # or a running # for personal
> stuff.  This has worked out much better.
>
> There are even some tools out there to rename during the downlaod -
> they can do it based on exif data (timestamp or something) or a name
> that you supply.
>
> Just my $0.02
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Re: Frank & Shel

[P. J. Alling]

Frank, I miss you, who else is there to keep track of the photographers 
I hate?

frank theriault wrote:
> On 2/18/07, Norm Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Where did they go? Anyone know
>> Norm
>> 
>
> I'm around.  Lurking once in a while.
>
> Got kinda bored of the list.  I don't have a digital camera (yet), so
> all the new product introductions and discussions don't much interest
> me.   Don't have a computer at home with a scanner, so I have no PAWs
> to post.  Got really really tired of all the silly flame wars in
> previous months.
>
> As a few have mentioned, I do now have a diversion of the feminine
> sort these days, but really, she's got little or nothing to do with me
> not being around here much - I've only been on-list from my work
> computer since the summer, anyway, so Judy hasn't affected how much
> I've been on list.
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> I didn't really decide to take time off, it just happened that way.
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Re: Pentax debug modes

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" 
Subject: RE: Pentax debug modes


> is this really what photography has come to?

I.m starting to think photography will die with film.

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Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users

[Dario Bonazza]

Thanks Joe. However, apparently the mein problem is that the guy couldn't 
sleep without understanding each and every bit of his "new" camera.

Dario

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users


>I as well used the PZ-1p for quite a while and never used the User
> Set feature. But I know it's useful to some photographers, though I
> would certainly say he should get to know the camera and most of its
> functions quite well before using the "User Set" functions at all. By
> then, he'll have a pretty good idea of what particular set of
> shooting conditions and settings he'd most like to have available as
> a quick memorized setting.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>>It looks to me as though "initializing" the User Set
>>Functions means clearing them.
>>
>>I used a PZ-1p for 10 years and at least 500 rolls of
>>film, and never used the "User Set" feature.
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>--- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>>  Hi,
>>>
>>>  A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly
>>>  purchased secondhand Z1p and
>>>  rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the
>>>  main question is what's
>>>  the difference between:
>>>
>>>  1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74
>>>  of the user manual.
>>>
>>>  and
>>>
>>>  2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained
>>>  on page 75.
>>>
>>>  My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you
>>>  how to customize the
>>>  USER position of the main switch, while the so
>>>  called "Initialization" on
>>>  page 75 is how to reset to default settings.
>>>  Unfortunately I don't have a
>>>  Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to
>>>  understand what's going
>>>  on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to
>>>  classic mechanical SLR's
>>>  interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a
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Re: Frank & Shel

[frank theriault]

On 2/19/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/19/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm available any day with out a Y in it.
> > >
> >
> > lundi, mardi, mercredi, jeudi, vendredi, samedi, dimanche
>
> So, i'm available all week.:-)

Only in France.

And Quebec.

And Haiti.

And Senecal.

And other important places like that...

-frank

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Re: Pentax debug modes

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:52 PM, William Robb wrote:

>> is this really what photography has come to?
>
> I.m starting to think photography will die with film.

Photography is a larger, broader thing than film or any other form of  
technological implementation, and tolerates a lot of change at that  
level.

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Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users

[Dario Bonazza]

Thanks Mike. I understand what you mean. ten years ago I used the Z1p for a 
weekend or two, and I also found some problems in understanding all its 
functions by following the manual.

Dario

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>>
>> From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 06:13:06 GMT
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: For PZ1p / Z1p users
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly purchased secondhand Z1p 
>> and
>> rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the main question is 
>> what's
>> the difference between:
>>
>> 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 of the user manual.
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained on page 75.
>>
>> My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you how to customize the
>> USER position of the main switch, while the so called "Initialization" on
>> page 75 is how to reset to default settings. Unfortunately I don't have a
>> Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to understand what's 
>> going
>> on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to classic mechanical SLR's
>> interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a step for him at all at
>> once.
>
> You are right, the "Initialisation" does remove all settings...
>
> Not sure if it defaults to a specific set or just takes up what is set for 
> the "On" position.  That's what mine just did.
>
> To be fair to your friend, the manual is a classic mistranslation.  I find 
> it exceptionally tortuous and obtuse.  Still haven't worked out some 
> parts.
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>>
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Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users

[Dario Bonazza]

Thanks Rick. My friend's problem was also due to a further mis-translation 
from English to Italian, since "Initializing" on page 75 has been translated 
into "Activating", which sure won't help in understanding it means 
"Resetting".

OK, my friend came home and we tried "initializing" the USER SET function, 
and it works how I explained him at the phone. Apparently, doing that at 
Dario's home was a good way to calm down that worried guy (which I guess 
won't truly need the USER function :-).

Dario

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> It looks to me as though "initializing" the User Set
> Functions means clearing them.
>
> I used a PZ-1p for 10 years and at least 500 rolls of
> film, and never used the "User Set" feature.
>
> Rick
>
> --- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly
>> purchased secondhand Z1p and
>> rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the
>> main question is what's
>> the difference between:
>>
>> 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74
>> of the user manual.
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained
>> on page 75.
>>
>> My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you
>> how to customize the
>> USER position of the main switch, while the so
>> called "Initialization" on
>> page 75 is how to reset to default settings.
>> Unfortunately I don't have a
>> Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to
>> understand what's going
>> on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to
>> classic mechanical SLR's
>> interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a
>> step for him at all at
>> once.
>>
>> Any comments? Thanks a lot.
>>
>> Dario
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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[Peter Lacus]

Hi Tom,

> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601441

simply beautiful. Just out of curiosity I've tried to crop it slightly 
from the top (as Ann & Bruce suggested) and - not surprisingly at all - 
it remained beautiful. :-)

Cheers,

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Re: Frank & Shel

[David J Brooks]

On 2/19/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm available any day with out a Y in it.
> >
>
> lundi, mardi, mercredi, jeudi, vendredi, samedi, dimanche

So, i'm available all week.:-)

Dave
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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[Tom C]

Thanks Adam, Ken, Jack, Paul, Godfrey, Bruce, Cotty, Ann. ;-)

I appreciate the comments and feedback.

I'll probably bore you with one more tomorrow and then go into a shooting 
slump.

In reply to Bruce, yes winter is a great time around here and the weather 
and light last week just lent itself to photography during that hour between 
leaving the house and getting to work.


Tom C.



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>Very nice Tom.
>
>Hard to fault.
>
>Kenneth Waller
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> > Another excellent shot. I wouldn't change a thing. I like the way the
> > trees emerge from the haze in the foreground. Beautiful.
> > Paul
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> >> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601441
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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[Tom C]

Thanks Rick!  Yes, last week was one of the best I've had. :-)  The weather 
was cooperating and I was psyched.


Tom C.




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>One gorgeous shot after another!  You're really on a
>roll, Tom!
>
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RE: Frank & Shel

[Bob W]

> >>>No, no. Bigamy is having one wife too many. (Curiously 
> enough, that's 
> >>>also the definition of monogamy...)
> >>>
> >>I hope you paid Henny Youngman for that joke.
> >>
> >>
> He is where money don't count now :)
> 
> >Think it was Dave Allen.
> >Can anyone confirm?
> >
> Who is Dave Allen?  Henny YOungman was the one with the "take 
> my wife - 
> please" line
> I just bopped back on list to see this post :)
> 

A truly great & original Irish comedian who had many, many series of
shows on UK TV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Allen_(comedian)

Bob


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Pentax K10D - high ISO examples

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

This page illustrates why I feel the K10D produces satisfactory  
results at ISO 800 and 1600:

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/K10D-highISO/
They're not "noiseless" but they do show good quality all the way  
down into the shadows and will print to an 11x14 pretty nicely.

It also demonstrates that the image stabilization is quite effective!  
both of these are hand-held, half-second exposures.

enjoy
Godfrey 

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