RE: Accessorize!

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of David Mann
> Sent: 20 February 2007 07:30
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> Subject: Re: Accessorize!
> 
> On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:32 PM, Bob W wrote:
> 
> > Instead I carry 2 cameras over my shoulders, and keep a 
> day's worth of
> > film in waterproof plastic boxers [...]
> 
> You must shoot in some really scary places.
> 

Indeed, but I find I'm safe enough with my film inside a waterproof
plastic Amir Khan. The Audley Harrison is a bit leaky though and falls
over a lot.

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Re: Pentax debug modes

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Tom Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 11:30:45 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Pentax debug modes
> 
> Think of is this way... all of these adjustments were legitimate issues 
> (accurate focusing, metering, etc)  40+ years ago. Nothing has changed 
> aside from the fact that many of the things that can and do go wrong are 
> now readily tweakable using the press of a few buttons rather than a 
> jewelers toolbox full of specialized implements of destruction. Add to 
> that the fact that the whole film side of the darkroom is now contained 
> in the camera if desired, or can be moved to a mundane PC and the whole 
> print side to a common inkjet printer, and you have a recipe for a new 
> golden age of photography.
> 
> 
> -Tom

More people "doing photography" does not mean that average standards will 
improve.  Your "Golden Age" could equally be the bottom third.

> 
> Mark Roberts wrote:
> > Bob W wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> is this really what photography has come to?
> >> 
> >
> > Nope. This is what being an equipment gearhead has come to.
> > Actually, it hasn't "come to" this; it's been this way for a long, long 
> > time. Only the details and terminology have changed.
> >
> >
> >   
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> >>> Behalf Of Roman
> >>> Sent: 19 February 2007 10:14
> >>> To: pdml@pdml.net
> >>> Subject: Pentax debug modes
> >>>
> >>> There's special debug modes for dl, ds, ds2, k100d Pentax DSLR for 
> >>> instance to shift AF point. Can anyone comment this?
> >>>
> >>> STEP
> >>> 1. Power OFF
> >>>While pressing [AE-L]+[INFO], turn the camera on.
> >>>Firmware is desplayed on LCD.
> >>>Press [MENU]->[MENU]->[INFO] within 5 seconds.
> >>>You can see DEBUG mode screen.
> >>>By pressing [Right key],Make [DEBUG MODE DIS] to [DEBUG MODE EN].
> >>>Then, Press [OK].
> >>>
> >>> 2. Press [MENU], you can see setup menu.
> >>>By pressing [Up key], select AF TEST.
> >>>By pressing [Right key], go into AF TEST menu.
> >>>By pressing [Down key], select FOCUS CORR.
> >>>now you can adjust shift amount by pressing [right key] or [left
> >>> key].
> >>>(*Don't touch AF Area Test.)
> >>>after changing the value, Press [OK] to save.
> >>> 3. Test your camera that Focus is corrected.
> >>>(repeat step 2. till you satisfy the result.)
> >>> 4. Power OFF
> >>>While pressing [AE-L]+[INFO], turn the camera on.
> >>>Firmware is desplayed on LCD.
> >>>Press [MENU]->[MENU]->[INFO] within 5 seconds.
> >>>You can see DEBUG mode screen.
> >>>By pressing [Right key],Make [DEBUG MODE EN] to [DEBUG MODE DIS].
> >>>Then, Press [OK].
> >>> 5. Go out and enjoy!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Again, You YOURSELF is responsible for doing this process.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Capture debug simply brings capture details normally not presented
> >>>   
> >> to 
> >> 
> >>> photographer, but I'd love to hear some things about AF 
> >>> shift. What does 
> >>> it shift, it can't be focus points themselves, but rather a focus 
> >>> distance which is dangrouns thing to adjust as I see.
> >>>
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Re: Running Vista?

[Leon Altoff]

Mark,

What makes one interface superior to another?  I run XP configured to 
classic style with no animations or sound effects at home.  At work I am 
forced to use XP in all it's XPness.  The animations just slow things 
down too much when I know exactly what I want to make happen.  I'd love 
to kill the sound effects that to my ear come far too long after the 
action is performed to have any sort of meaning.  And I will never 
prefer a control panel that divides things up.  That said I'm usually 
the person people turn to for help in configuring things.

On the current topic, I'm considering a new laptop in the near future 
and am looking for news on how Vista works.  My present preference is 
for a high power tablet convertible like the Fujitsu T4215.  So if 
anyone starts running Vista on one of those I'd like to know how it goes.

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Mark Roberts wrote:
> Jack Davis wrote:
> 
>> Anyone running Vista? Impressions, good or not? 
>> I am, and so far it feels little different than XP. No, I'm not
>> claiming that's necessarily a recommendation. It came on a new computer
> 
> I got a new laptop computer on Friday and it naturally came with Vista. 
> I was prepared to loathe it but I must reluctantly admit I'm starting 
> to be impressed. I'm giving myself a bit of time to adjust: One thing 
> studies of interface design have shown is people always prefer an 
> inferior interface they're accustomed to over a superior one that's 
> unfamiliar, so my early comfort level is a good sign.
> 
> I like it enough to start loading my software on the new machine at 
> this point...
> 
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Re: Re: Let's talk about titles

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/02/20 Tue AM 12:43:11 GMT
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> Subject: Re: Let's talk about titles
> 
> A whale of a tail?

Flukey guess.

> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> > Cotty wrote:
> >
> >   
> >>> Here you go, matey - feast your eyes on these beauties:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.web-options.com/P6090450.jpg
> >>>   
> >> Difficult to get the scale...
> >> 
> >
> > And thereby hangs a tail.
> >
> >   
> 
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Re: OT - Free UK Wireless Hotspots

[Joseph Tainter]

Anyone living in / visiting the UK who would like a list of free wifi
hotspots collated by viewers of the UK Channel 5's 'Gadget Show' can
find this useful page here:



Cheers,
   Cotty

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Way, way OT, but stimulated by Cotty's post:

My laptop can find wireless networks, and can connect to unsecured ones. 
But my browsers can't manage to connect to the internet through them. Is 
there a web page with instructions on how to get a browser to use a 
wireless network?

Netscape 7 and IE6.

Thanks,

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Re: Accessorize!

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/02/20 Tue AM 07:30:24 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Accessorize!
> 
> On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:32 PM, Bob W wrote:
> 
> > Instead I carry 2 cameras over my shoulders, and keep a day's worth of
> > film in waterproof plastic boxers [...]
> 
> You must shoot in some really scary places.
> 
> - Dave

Nah.  They've got glass doors.


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Re: OT - Free UK Wireless Hotspots

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/02/20 Tue AM 09:18:02 GMT
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: OT - Free UK Wireless Hotspots
> 
> Anyone living in / visiting the UK who would like a list of free wifi
> hotspots collated by viewers of the UK Channel 5's 'Gadget Show' can
> find this useful page here:
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>Cotty
> 
> -
> 
> Way, way OT, but stimulated by Cotty's post:
> 
> My laptop can find wireless networks, and can connect to unsecured ones. 
> But my browsers can't manage to connect to the internet through them. Is 
> there a web page with instructions on how to get a browser to use a 
> wireless network?
> 
> Netscape 7 and IE6.
> 
>

When I get home, I can send you my NS7.2 settings off list, if that would help. 
 I imagine it will be a bit of a pain to get a browser to use more than one 
connection type without having to reconfigure manually each time you change.  
Except... the thought occurs to me that you could possibly use the "profiles" 
system on NS to configure it for different methods.  Don't know if that's 
possible.


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Re: Running Vista?

[Thibouille]

Leon, I do the same, exactly :)

Well, prefering the new interface with all the nice things and all or
the classic speedier one is of course down to the guy using the PC. I
admit I turn everything off in XP but keep the Aero Glass interface
under Vista. Somehow Aero is less intrusive (for me) than XP with
themes etc.

What I find annoying in Vista "the quest to get my menus back". I hate
not having menus on every window. It is ugly but somuch faster to use
menus.

On another POV (performances... I only have the beta2, not the final)
it seems OK really. If you have 10GB and 1GB ram for the OS only
(Lightroom on Vista might require 2GB ram easily) then it seems to me
Vista is perfectly usable, if your usual softwares are OK under Vista.


2007/2/20, Leon Altoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Mark,
>
> What makes one interface superior to another?  I run XP configured to
> classic style with no animations or sound effects at home.  At work I am
> forced to use XP in all it's XPness.  The animations just slow things
> down too much when I know exactly what I want to make happen.  I'd love
> to kill the sound effects that to my ear come far too long after the
> action is performed to have any sort of meaning.  And I will never
> prefer a control panel that divides things up.  That said I'm usually
> the person people turn to for help in configuring things.
>
> On the current topic, I'm considering a new laptop in the near future
> and am looking for news on how Vista works.  My present preference is
> for a high power tablet convertible like the Fujitsu T4215.  So if
> anyone starts running Vista on one of those I'd like to know how it goes.
>
> --
>   Leon
>
> http://www.bluering.org.au
> http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
>
>
> Mark Roberts wrote:
> > Jack Davis wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone running Vista? Impressions, good or not?
> >> I am, and so far it feels little different than XP. No, I'm not
> >> claiming that's necessarily a recommendation. It came on a new computer
> >
> > I got a new laptop computer on Friday and it naturally came with Vista.
> > I was prepared to loathe it but I must reluctantly admit I'm starting
> > to be impressed. I'm giving myself a bit of time to adjust: One thing
> > studies of interface design have shown is people always prefer an
> > inferior interface they're accustomed to over a superior one that's
> > unfamiliar, so my early comfort level is a good sign.
> >
> > I like it enough to start loading my software on the new machine at
> > this point...
> >
> >
>
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Re: Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[Thibouille]

I don't know, but they either wouldn't know if I didn't pay the
software, would they?

Anyway seeing the price, I'll probably buy it anyway.
I have another question but that's for another thread.

Thanks to all :)

2007/2/20, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Interesting question, if you were selling a print, how would they
> possibly know?
>
> Thibouille wrote:
> > Of course I suppose that at long as it is personal stuff but let's say
> > you wanna sell a photograph which you managed/conveterd etc with,
> > let's say Lightroom Educational version.
> >
> > Is there any problem with that? There should be, no ?
> >
> >
>
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RE: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Rob Brigham]

I have no problem dealing with it, and you are right that the options
arent tough - but I would rather spend 5 minutes dealing with it once
every 4-5 years than have to do it every time I download images from a
card.

Rob


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Kind of reminds me of the Y2K problem - the older programmers thought
they wouldn't need to deal with it, so didn't...until...

Since you know you are going to end up with the problem, why not just
come up with a solution now, instead of having to go back and fix it
later?  The solutions aren't really too tough.

-- 
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Monday, February 19, 2007, 9:41:16 AM, you wrote:

RB> Looks interesting.  I am sure if I were shooting a lot more it would

RB> be worthwhile, but it is a little overkill for my current needs. I 
RB> am sure that by splitting the range I have I can last at possibly as

RB> long as a couple of years before overlap occurs.  I can then do a 
RB> simple rename changing the prefix on the existing images (I can 
RB> write a util to do this in 5 mins if I don't already have something)

RB> and off I go again.

RB> Will take a look and think about whether something more useful would

RB> be worthwhile though...

RB> Cheers to all who responded.

RB> Rob


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RB> Of Paul Sorenson
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RB> Rob -

RB> It's an extra piece of software, but if you're running Windows you 
RB> might

RB> look at Downloader Pro.

RB> http://www.breezesys.com/Downloader/features.htm

RB> It has some nice features for transferring from card to computer,
RB> including batch rename as part of the download process as well as 
RB> creating unique folders on the fly.  Since I use both a DS and a
DS2, I
RB> simply set my file names as I download them with DS_
or
RB> DS2_.

RB> -P

RB> Rob Brigham wrote:
>> IS there an easy way to manually set the next file number?  From
>> reading the manual it seems I can do this by renaming a file as 
>> IMGP5000.PEF and putting it on and SD card then taking a new picture
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>> thereby setting the counter to 5001?
>> 
>> I want to do this so that the naming is different to my *istD by
>> having a start number that wont overlap (for some time...).
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
>> Of Joseph Tainter
>> Sent: 19 February 2007 05:33
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here
>> 
>> 
>> And it supports the K10D. I just installed it. Download here:
>> 
>> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=3587&fileID
>> =
>> 33
>> 77
>> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/yu9m82
>> 
>> Hooray! My SD storage capacity just expanded greatly.
>> 
>> Now I am going to reset my K10D to PEF format.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 


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Concerning Adobe and free updates (not upgrades)

[Thibouille]

Remember I was asking about Adobe providing or not adequate support
when a new OS comes out for example etc ??

Found on Adobe website they offer a free update allowing PSE5 to run
under Vista. This IS what I hoped Adobe would do. Well done. This is
exactly what I wanted Adobe to do. Semm they do indeed provide the
support their products deserve.

This of course conforts me in the idea of buying Adobe.
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PS CS vs PSE (and future versions)

[Thibouille]

* Is there a website (or one you) which could show clearly what are
the differences between PS CS and PSE.

* What about integration between Lightroom and PSE? As well as between
Lightroom and PS CS?

* What about future versions? I know PS CS3 is coming soon (so buying
CS2 now is probably a bad idea) but what about PSE ? Is there a PSE6
planned soon?

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Re: Cobblers redeux

[John Whittingham]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:20:00 -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote
> Yes, positive.
> I see the curved curb as a very modern thing in juxtaposition to the
> old, worn look of the shop front and old square sign.  This photo 
> made me think of a still life painting, with everything arranged 
> just so. Shop, sign, curb, motorcycle. Regards, Bob S.

Thanks Bob, that's an interesting  perspective you have there. I'm thinking 
of what Stan Halpin said:

> Assuming 
> that (c) is not  an option, I would go back and reshoot, but from 
> about 40-50 feet  further to your left so that you are looking at 
> the store at an  angle, with the store in the visual foreground and 
> the motorcycle and  blank sky above it in the visual background. 
> With a bit more scene  showing to the right of the motorcycle.

There's a very modern motorcycle showroom located to the right rear of the 
building called Millenium Motorcycle Centre (yes they spelled it wrong!) 
maybe I should try and fit that into the composition and give it a sense of 
time, so to speak.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,

John



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Re: What EI are you getting for your Pentax DSLR using sunny F16 rule?

[David J Brooks]

I shot some pictures in bright snow this past weekend.PZ-1 using hand
held meter suggested 125 at f16 for iso a00 B&W film.

My K10D shots at iso 100 were around 1/320 or 1/400 something like
that, but were pretty good for getting snow detail.I'll check the
files tonight

Dave

On 2/19/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's pretty much the same as a film camera shooting negative film.
> Sunny 16 is really closer to sunny 11.
> Paul
> On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:53 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
> > I am finding my istDS isnt really full ISO
> > speed when using the "sunny F16" mode of
> > exposure. For example, when I use the DSLR camera
> > set at ISO200 (which I use most of the time),
> > I usually get my best "sunny f16" exposures at EI 160
> > (1/[EMAIL PROTECTED] or equiv.). Thats not too bad really. Since I
> > know this now, I can get pretty close by
> > guesstimate techniques I have used for years
> > and then tweek/bracket as needed, all in manual
> > mode.
> >
> > Anybody else notice or test their camera for
> > this "sunny f16" rule and what EI are you getting
> > for the DSLR camera set to ISO200?
> >
> > jco
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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[Russell Kerstetter]

nice one tom!  I like to two layers, it does make you feel as if you are there

russ

On 2/19/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: My Blog page

[David J Brooks]

It was'nt that good.
A reset and a grooming.

Dave

On 2/19/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Reshoe.  And a good grooming.
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
> > What does he win, a feedbag?
> >
> > David J Brooks wrote:
> >
> >>And Doug's the first week winnier.:-)
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>
> >>On 2/19/07, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:39 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> I'm going to have a weekly spelling bee.:-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> >>>
> >>>so then it would read "bee weekly"?
> >>>
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Re: Concerning Adobe and free updates (not upgrades)

[Adam Maas]

Thibouille wrote:
> Remember I was asking about Adobe providing or not adequate support
> when a new OS comes out for example etc ??
> 
> Found on Adobe website they offer a free update allowing PSE5 to run
> under Vista. This IS what I hoped Adobe would do. Well done. This is
> exactly what I wanted Adobe to do. Semm they do indeed provide the
> support their products deserve.
> 
> This of course conforts me in the idea of buying Adobe.

That's pretty much expected for current software (Which PSE5 is). Don't 
expect it for discontinued software (Like CS or PSE4)

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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Doug Franklin]

Rob Brigham wrote:
> I have no problem dealing with it, and you are right that the options
> arent tough - but I would rather spend 5 minutes dealing with it once
> every 4-5 years than have to do it every time I download images from a
> card.

If you're running Windows, do a Google or Yahoo! search for "Bulk Rename
Utility".  The UI is kinda intimidating, but is easy to use for simple
renames like we're (probably) talking about here.  However, BRU can do
any rename you can specify with a regular expression, plus lots of other
stuff, so it should work for 99.99% of renaming needs.

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Re: OT - Free UK Wireless Hotspots

[Doug Franklin]

mike wilson wrote:

>> From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Way, way OT, but stimulated by Cotty's post:
>>
>> My laptop can find wireless networks, and can connect to unsecured ones. 
>> But my browsers can't manage to connect to the internet through them. Is 
>> there a web page with instructions on how to get a browser to use a 
>> wireless network?

> When I get home, I can send you my NS7.2 settings off list, if that would 
> help.  I imagine it will be a bit of a pain to get a browser to use more than 
> one connection type without having to reconfigure manually each time you 
> change.  Except... the thought occurs to me that you could possibly use the 
> "profiles" system on NS to configure it for different methods.  Don't know if 
> that's possible.

There shouldn't be any need to change settings in the browser, except
maybe the proxy addresses.  It should use whatever network connections
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not, there may be some sort of filtering going on in those networks.

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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Fernando Terrazzino]

Cotty, Jack, Mike, Paul, Bruce & Tom:

Thank you guys, is really encouraging to receive such good comments.

I had to crop the left side of this picture for an 8x10 (probably
tighter than Jack&Tom's suggested crop) and it certainly gives a
feeling of a little bit more normal view (eliminating the "deformed"
elements) but keeping the wide-angle (interesting) perspective (note:
not sure if I'm making any sense...).

Thanks again.

Later




On 2/19/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My thoughts exactly.  It would eliminate the distracting elements and still
> leave a wonderful prespective.  Nice job!
>
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
> >From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >Subject: Re: PESO: I
> >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:37:44 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Wonderful upload! Textures are great.
> >Only thing that I might try would be to crop the left end of the dock
> >to eliminate the "leaning" larger pipe and the square dark thing on the
> >opposite side. That would, also, take out the two smaller diameter rail
> >posts.
> >
> >Jack
> >--- Fernando Terrazzino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I
> > > come
> > > from a warmer place.
> > >
> > > http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
> > >
> > > Lake Ontario,
> > > Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
> > > ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
> > > Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab
> > > Converted to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels
> > >
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No GFM for me this year

[Stan Halpin]

I have decided that the better part of valor is to travel west, to  
Northern Sonoma County, CA the first weekend in June rather than east  
to GFM. The California attraction (?) is a wedding my wife is  
committed to attending. So I will go along.

I will regret missing the weekend and the chance to renew  
acquaintances with many of you, to meet some of you for the first  
time. I'll try again next year.

For anyone who wanted to go to GFM and did not sign up before the  
registration limit was reached, I would imagine that my registration  
could be transferred...

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Re: Running Vista?

[Mark Roberts]

Leon Altoff wrote:

>What makes one interface superior to another? 

I haven't decided yet if one is superior to the other.


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Re: PS CS vs PSE (and future versions)

[cbwaters]

Those are good questions.  I might add, for my own education:

If a person has PSE3, what's the best upgrade for the least money?  Is it 
worth the premium over PSE5 to get Lightroom instead?  CS2 is way out of 
reach.

CW
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: PS CS vs PSE (and future versions)


>* Is there a website (or one you) which could show clearly what are
> the differences between PS CS and PSE.
>
> * What about integration between Lightroom and PSE? As well as between
> Lightroom and PS CS?
>
> * What about future versions? I know PS CS3 is coming soon (so buying
> CS2 now is probably a bad idea) but what about PSE ? Is there a PSE6
> planned soon?
>
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Northern Italy 5-19 March

[Stan Halpin]

I will be in Venice 5-12 March, then spending a week near Verano. Meg  
and I have been studying the guide books, but don't have a specific  
itinerary. Anyone in the neighborhood? Join us for a glass of wine  
and/or an afternoon drive through the villages in the Veneto hills...

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Uploading to the new Pentax Gallery

[J]

Has anyone uploaded photos to the new Pentax gallery yet ? If so 
where and how do you upload them...? Jay


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Re: Northern Italy 5-19 March

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Lucky devil.

G

On Feb 20, 2007, at 6:00 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:

> I will be in Venice 5-12 March, then spending a week near Verano. Meg
> and I have been studying the guide books, but don't have a specific
> itinerary. Anyone in the neighborhood? Join us for a glass of wine
> and/or an afternoon drive through the villages in the Veneto hills...


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Re: Running Vista?

[Charles Robinson]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 2:52, Leon Altoff wrote:

> Mark,
>
> What makes one interface superior to another?  I run XP configured to
> classic style with no animations or sound effects at home.  At work  
> I am
> forced to use XP in all it's XPness.  The animations just slow things
> down too much when I know exactly what I want to make happen.

You'll be pleased to note that you can do much the same with Vista.   
Switch the "performance" options from "Let Windows decide" to "best  
performance" (or similar words, I'm going from memory here).  Turns  
off a lot of the ugly graphics and animations.  Whew!

  -Charles

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Re: PS CS vs PSE (and future versions)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 4:21 AM, Thibouille wrote:
> * Is there a website (or one you) which could show clearly what are
> the differences between PS CS and PSE.
>
> * What about integration between Lightroom and PSE? As well as between
> Lightroom and PS CS?
>
> * What about future versions? I know PS CS3 is coming soon (so buying
> CS2 now is probably a bad idea) but what about PSE ? Is there a PSE6
> planned soon?

Nabbed from http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=273209:
---
Some of the features in Photoshop CS2 that are not included in  
Photoshop Elements 5 are:

* CMYK and LAB color modes
* More tools and features that work with high-bit (16-bit and 32-bit)  
images
* Combine multiple exposures to create high dynamic range (HDR) images
* Channels Palette
* Recording custom Actions (for batch processing)
* Adjustments: Color Balance, Match Color
* Layer Masks, Layer Comps, and Quick Mask mode
* Smart Objects, Smart Guides
* Lens Blur Filter
* Vanishing Point Tool
* Pen tool and paths palette
* Some adjustment layers (curves, color balance, selective color,  
channel mixer)
* Editing History Log
* Text on a path, advanced text formatting
* Advanced Layer Style manipulation
* Advanced Color Management
* Advanced Web features and ImageReady (rollovers, slicing)
* Customizable tool presets, keyboard shortcuts, and menus
* In the features and tools that are shared, the Photoshop version  
usually offers more advanced options for fine tuning and control.

Photoshop Elements also offers some features that are not available  
in Photoshop such as the cookie cutter tool, drop in frames,  
backgrounds, and artwork, an automatic red eye removal, Quick Fix  
mode, and the Photo Organizer. The Photo Organizer (only in the  
Windows version of Photoshop Elements 3 and up) lets you organize  
your photos with tags, then search and share them. The Organizer also  
offers several types of creations for sharing your photos in slide  
shows, video CDs, cards, email, calendars, Web galleries, and photo  
books.
---

Lightroom can integrate with any higher-level image editor, but I  
think it works best with an editor capable of supporting full 16- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] image data and ProPhoto RGB. There's an export  
preferences setup that you can tell it what format to put the file  
into when switching to another editor using the "Edit in another  
application" menu...

No idea whether or when PSE will be updated.

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lightroom performance :: problems on a PC, etc

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Having this conversation on DPReview.com and I thought it would be a  
useful FYI for folks here:

John Bean was experiencing performance problems with Lightroom 1.0 on  
his PC systems and found a tidbit from the Adobe forums that explains  
a lot of it ... Lightroom is heavily optimized to use SSE2 capable  
processors. Since I didn't know what that meant, I looked it up and  
found a useful description of SSE2 on wikipedia...

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE2

The notional equivalent of SSE2 capability on Apple systems first  
surfaced on the PowerPC G4 cpu models (AltiVec) and was massively  
upgraded/enhanced on the PowerPC G5s. Apple's Intel-based CPUs all  
have SSE2 capability. This explains to me why Lightroom has more  
performance problems on Windows systems compared to Mac OS X and  
answers why some have found the beta release near to unusable when my  
experience, all on Apple systems, was very positive regards to  
performance.
John goes on to say "...Any other AMD users be aware that the  
earliest AMD CPUs to have SSE2 are the Athlon 64s. Anything earlier -  
forget it unless you only have tiny image collections or a massive  
amounts of patience.

PS: giving the system more resources definitely helps, but not enough  
to be workable with image libraries over about 10k. ..."

---

Lightroom is also very disk intensive: tt pushes a lot of data back  
and forth to the disk in operation ... a fast disk and a lot of free  
space to work with help performance enormously.



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Re: No GFM for me this year

[ann sanfedele]

Damn, I'll have to bring my own french press coffee maker :)
(I know , I kidded you about it a couple of years ago - now I'm converted)

Sounds like the right call for peace on the homefront , though and it is 
pretty country.

ann

Stan Halpin wrote:

>I have decided that the better part of valor is to travel west, to  
>Northern Sonoma County, CA the first weekend in June rather than east  
>to GFM. The California attraction (?) is a wedding my wife is  
>committed to attending. So I will go along.
>
>I will regret missing the weekend and the chance to renew  
>acquaintances with many of you, to meet some of you for the first  
>time. I'll try again next year.
>
>For anyone who wanted to go to GFM and did not sign up before the  
>registration limit was reached, I would imagine that my registration  
>could be transferred...
>
>Stan
>
>
>  
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Re: Frank & Shel

[ann sanfedele]

Rick Womer wrote:

>You caught him off guard.  He introduced himself to
>everyone else last year as Brad Dobo.
>
Yeah but Graywolf and I both met him the year _before_  - he hadn't
morphed into Dobo yet.

ann

>
>--- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>No, when I met him at GFM he introduced himself as
>>"Norm Bower", 
>>everyone seemed to know who he was but I could not
>>place him in my mind. 
>>It was only after I got home that I realized he was
>>saying "Norm Bauer" 
>>a name I did recognize.
>>
>>mike wilson wrote:
>>
>>
From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 07:58:59 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Subject: Re: Frank & Shel

The obvious reply to that straight line is, "You


>>haven't met Norm".
>>
>>
With apologies to Norm who, except for being a


>>manic practical joker, 
>>
>>
seems like a nice guy. I still do not remember no


>>"Norm Bower" from the 
>>
>>
list though .


>>>Does he pronounce it "Boffer"?
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Re: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Fernando Terrazzino" 
Subject: PESO: I


> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
> from a warmer place.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
> 

Gorgeous shot.
Your pictures deserve a Wisner.

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Re: lightroom performance :: problems on a PC, etc

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>John goes on to say "...Any other AMD users be aware that the  
>earliest AMD CPUs to have SSE2 are the Athlon 64s. Anything earlier -  
>forget it unless you only have tiny image collections or a massive  
>amounts of patience.

Thanks Godders! Very useful information.

My new laptop has the latest incarnation ADM mobile processor, so it 
should be OK. I'll have to upgrade my desktop before running Lightroom, 
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PESO: Central Park in January

[ann sanfedele]

Last month, that is - when it was Spring

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5603827

ann


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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Franklin" 
Subject: Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here



> 
> If you're running Windows, do a Google or Yahoo! search for "Bulk Rename
> Utility".  The UI is kinda intimidating, but is easy to use for simple
> renames like we're (probably) talking about here.  However, BRU can do
> any rename you can specify with a regular expression, plus lots of other
> stuff, so it should work for 99.99% of renaming needs.

This is the one I use:
http://www.123renamer.com/
Adobe Bridge can also do file renaming.

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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Gonz]

Wow.  Beautiful image, I'm jealous.  Technically perfect to me.  I
would not change a thing.

On 2/19/07, Fernando Terrazzino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
> from a warmer place.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
>
> Lake Ontario,
> Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
> ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
> Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab
> Converted to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels
>
> Comments appreciated.
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Re: OT - Free UK Wireless Hotspots

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/02/20 Tue PM 01:42:32 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: OT - Free UK Wireless Hotspots
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> 
> >> From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Way, way OT, but stimulated by Cotty's post:
> >>
> >> My laptop can find wireless networks, and can connect to unsecured ones. 
> >> But my browsers can't manage to connect to the internet through them. Is 
> >> there a web page with instructions on how to get a browser to use a 
> >> wireless network?
> 
> > When I get home, I can send you my NS7.2 settings off list, if that would 
> > help.  I imagine it will be a bit of a pain to get a browser to use more 
> > than one connection type without having to reconfigure manually each time 
> > you change.  Except... the thought occurs to me that you could possibly use 
> > the "profiles" system on NS to configure it for different methods.  Don't 
> > know if that's possible.
> 
> There shouldn't be any need to change settings in the browser, except
> maybe the proxy addresses.  It should use whatever network connections
> your machine has.  Are these wireless networks that you control?  If
> not, there may be some sort of filtering going on in those networks.

I have a home wireless network.

My desktop machine has a network card and USB wireless adaptor, the laptop has 
a modem and PCMCIA wireless card.  On the desktop, it always tries to use the 
network card unless I disable it in the control panel, even if I tell the OS to 
use wireless.  The laptop will try to use the wireless card unless I disable it 
in control panel, even if it is not plugged in.

Needless to say, both my soft and hardware are steam powered, which may have 
much to do with it.


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Re: No GFM for me this year

[Scott Loveless]

Har!  I was already planning to bring mine.

On 2/20/07, ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Damn, I'll have to bring my own french press coffee maker :)
> (I know , I kidded you about it a couple of years ago - now I'm converted)
>
> Sounds like the right call for peace on the homefront , though and it is
> pretty country.
>
> ann
>
> Stan Halpin wrote:
>
> >I have decided that the better part of valor is to travel west, to
> >Northern Sonoma County, CA the first weekend in June rather than east
> >to GFM. The California attraction (?) is a wedding my wife is
> >committed to attending. So I will go along.
> >
> >I will regret missing the weekend and the chance to renew
> >acquaintances with many of you, to meet some of you for the first
> >time. I'll try again next year.
> >
> >For anyone who wanted to go to GFM and did not sign up before the
> >registration limit was reached, I would imagine that my registration
> >could be transferred...
> >
> >Stan
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: lightroom performance :: problems on a PC, etc

[Scott Loveless]

I find this rather odd.  Premiere won't even install on a non-SSE
system, regardless of OS.  Aabout two years ago, after obtaining
Premiere Elements(bundled with PSE), I ended up building a new PC just
to run it.  I wonder why Adobe allows it to install on a non-SSE
system, considering their stance on pre-XP operating systems?

On 2/20/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Having this conversation on DPReview.com and I thought it would be a
> useful FYI for folks here:
>
> John Bean was experiencing performance problems with Lightroom 1.0 on
> his PC systems and found a tidbit from the Adobe forums that explains
> a lot of it ... Lightroom is heavily optimized to use SSE2 capable
> processors. Since I didn't know what that meant, I looked it up and
> found a useful description of SSE2 on wikipedia...
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE2
>
> The notional equivalent of SSE2 capability on Apple systems first
> surfaced on the PowerPC G4 cpu models (AltiVec) and was massively
> upgraded/enhanced on the PowerPC G5s. Apple's Intel-based CPUs all
> have SSE2 capability. This explains to me why Lightroom has more
> performance problems on Windows systems compared to Mac OS X and
> answers why some have found the beta release near to unusable when my
> experience, all on Apple systems, was very positive regards to
> performance.
> John goes on to say "...Any other AMD users be aware that the
> earliest AMD CPUs to have SSE2 are the Athlon 64s. Anything earlier -
> forget it unless you only have tiny image collections or a massive
> amounts of patience.
>
> PS: giving the system more resources definitely helps, but not enough
> to be workable with image libraries over about 10k. ..."
>
> ---
>
> Lightroom is also very disk intensive: tt pushes a lot of data back
> and forth to the disk in operation ... a fast disk and a lot of free
> space to work with help performance enormously.
>
>
>
> Godfrey
>
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Re: lightroom performance :: problems on a PC, etc

[Adam Maas]

Pretty much all current systems suport SSE, but not necessarily SSE2 
which appears to be the necessary extensions.

-Adam


Scott Loveless wrote:
> I find this rather odd.  Premiere won't even install on a non-SSE
> system, regardless of OS.  Aabout two years ago, after obtaining
> Premiere Elements(bundled with PSE), I ended up building a new PC just
> to run it.  I wonder why Adobe allows it to install on a non-SSE
> system, considering their stance on pre-XP operating systems?
> 
> On 2/20/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Having this conversation on DPReview.com and I thought it would be a
>> useful FYI for folks here:
>>
>> John Bean was experiencing performance problems with Lightroom 1.0 on
>> his PC systems and found a tidbit from the Adobe forums that explains
>> a lot of it ... Lightroom is heavily optimized to use SSE2 capable
>> processors. Since I didn't know what that meant, I looked it up and
>> found a useful description of SSE2 on wikipedia...
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE2
>>
>> The notional equivalent of SSE2 capability on Apple systems first
>> surfaced on the PowerPC G4 cpu models (AltiVec) and was massively
>> upgraded/enhanced on the PowerPC G5s. Apple's Intel-based CPUs all
>> have SSE2 capability. This explains to me why Lightroom has more
>> performance problems on Windows systems compared to Mac OS X and
>> answers why some have found the beta release near to unusable when my
>> experience, all on Apple systems, was very positive regards to
>> performance.
>> John goes on to say "...Any other AMD users be aware that the
>> earliest AMD CPUs to have SSE2 are the Athlon 64s. Anything earlier -
>> forget it unless you only have tiny image collections or a massive
>> amounts of patience.
>>
>> PS: giving the system more resources definitely helps, but not enough
>> to be workable with image libraries over about 10k. ..."
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Lightroom is also very disk intensive: tt pushes a lot of data back
>> and forth to the disk in operation ... a fast disk and a lot of free
>> space to work with help performance enormously.
>>
>>
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Re: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Very nice work!

Godfrey

From: "Fernando Terrazzino"
> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
> from a warmer place.
>
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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:10 AM, William Robb wrote:

>> If you're running Windows, do a Google or Yahoo! search for "Bulk  
>> Rename
>> Utility".  The UI is kinda intimidating, but is easy to use for  
>> simple
>> renames like we're (probably) talking about here.  However, BRU  
>> can do
>> any rename you can specify with a regular expression, plus lots of  
>> other
>> stuff, so it should work for 99.99% of renaming needs.
>
> This is the one I use:
> http://www.123renamer.com/
> Adobe Bridge can also do file renaming.

As can iView MediaPro and Lightroom.

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RE: What EI are you getting for your Pentax DSLR using sunny F16 rule?

[J. C. O'Connell]

hi, "sunny 16 rule" isnt about using meters, (Ok, maybe it's similar to
incident meters,
but certainly not in camera meters which are all reflective, rather than
incident).

Snow scenes are a special situation for any type of metering, 1- due the
the
reflective properties of the snow bouncing extra light on your normal
subject,
and 2- if your actually trying to capture snow details (which is going
to severely
darken everything else, that case is not really a typical "sunny"
daylight exposure value.

jco
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F16 rule?


I shot some pictures in bright snow this past weekend.PZ-1 using hand
held meter suggested 125 at f16 for iso a00 B&W film.

My K10D shots at iso 100 were around 1/320 or 1/400 something like that,
but were pretty good for getting snow detail.I'll check the files
tonight

Dave

On 2/19/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's pretty much the same as a film camera shooting negative film. 
> Sunny 16 is really closer to sunny 11. Paul
> On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:53 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
> > I am finding my istDS isnt really full ISO
> > speed when using the "sunny F16" mode of
> > exposure. For example, when I use the DSLR camera
> > set at ISO200 (which I use most of the time),
> > I usually get my best "sunny f16" exposures at EI 160 (1/[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > or 
> > equiv.). Thats not too bad really. Since I know this now, I can get 
> > pretty close by guesstimate techniques I have used for years
> > and then tweek/bracket as needed, all in manual
> > mode.
> >
> > Anybody else notice or test their camera for
> > this "sunny f16" rule and what EI are you getting
> > for the DSLR camera set to ISO200?
> >
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Re: Northern Italy 5-19 March

[Norm Baugher]

I just got back from there a few ago - definitely loved Verona...
Norm

Stan Halpin wrote:
> I will be in Venice 5-12 March, then spending a week near Verano. Meg  
> and I have been studying the guide books, but don't have a specific  
> itinerary. Anyone in the neighborhood? Join us for a glass of wine  
> and/or an afternoon drive through the villages in the Veneto hills...
>
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Re: PESO: Central Park in January

[pnstenquist]

Nice one. A classic Central Park image, with the buildings rising up behind the 
trees, and a view that's only possible when the leaves are gone. Are you 
looking toward the southeast corner of the park here? You must have been near 
the west end when you took the shot. That looks like what used to be the GM 
building toward the left (with FAO Schwartz on the first floor). When I worked 
on 53rd and Lex, I sometimes ate lunch in the southeast corner of the park near 
the pond. Good times, long gone. Thanks for sharing.
Paul


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> Last month, that is - when it was Spring
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5603827
> 
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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Gonz]

At my work we have to count bytes very carefully.  Our product has to
analyze objects with tens or even hundreds of millions of entities in
real time, the representation of those entities has to be very
compact, otherwise you can run out of memory quickly.  The inner most
loop of the program itself has to be extremely efficient, otherwise an
inefficiency somewhere can cost hours of CPU time.  And we are
competing with other vendors who are trying to get any margin of speed
or memory advantage to make a sale.

rg


On 2/19/07, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Today it is the opposite, I realize at school teachers always tought
> us that performance wasn't a big deal since power of computers was
> going up so much anyway.
>
> In my limited experience, it made people not care at all about
> performance which is pretty puch stupid. Of course spending a byte
> more or less here and there is a silly question but no care about
> performance !?
>
> Never understood their POV. Maybe it goes all too fast for them ;)
>
>
> 2007/2/19, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I worked on projects where saving a couple of bytes in a character
> > string ended up in hardware/storage savings figures in the Millions of
> > dollars.  The Y2K problem was mostly the result of that kind of analysis.
> >
> > Bruce Dayton wrote:
> > > Kind of reminds me of the Y2K problem - the older programmers thought
> > > they wouldn't need to deal with it, so didn't...until...
> > >
> > > Since you know you are going to end up with the problem, why not just
> > > come up with a solution now, instead of having to go back and fix it
> > > later?  The solutions aren't really too tough.
> > >
> > >
> >
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85mm f1.8 SMCT on ebay : $400+

[J. C. O'Connell]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260086611089

It seems the Pentax M42 quality lens market is still very strong
and getting even stronger lately. I have never seen one of these sell
for over $400 until now. ( I bought my first one for $100 in '88 )
Could you imagine what would happen to this SMCT market if somebody did
produce a auto aperture supporting M42 DSLR?

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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[P. J. Alling]

I use Fash Renamer from rl vision for that.  I've been using version 3.0 
which is freewear, They're up to version 5.11 which is now distributed 
as shareware, but it's only $19.95.

Doug Franklin wrote:
> Rob Brigham wrote:
>   
>> I have no problem dealing with it, and you are right that the options
>> arent tough - but I would rather spend 5 minutes dealing with it once
>> every 4-5 years than have to do it every time I download images from a
>> card.
>> 
>
> If you're running Windows, do a Google or Yahoo! search for "Bulk Rename
> Utility".  The UI is kinda intimidating, but is easy to use for simple
> renames like we're (probably) talking about here.  However, BRU can do
> any rename you can specify with a regular expression, plus lots of other
> stuff, so it should work for 99.99% of renaming needs.
>
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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[ann sanfedele]

Fernando Terrazzino wrote:

>I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
>from a warmer place.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
>
>Lake Ontario,
>Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
>ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
>Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab
>Converted to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels
>
>Comments appreciated.
>
>  
>
Great mood - I like it a lot -- but every time someone says they 
converted a shot to black and white I get
curious about the color version :)  I have a feeling it would work well 
in color too.

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RE: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[J. C. O'Connell]

Nice shot, but I would try to correct the slight barrel geometric
distortion
of the shot and seen on the horizon. O/W real nice.
jco

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Wow.  Beautiful image, I'm jealous.  Technically perfect to me.  I would
not change a thing.

On 2/19/07, Fernando Terrazzino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come

> from a warmer place.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
>
> Lake Ontario,
> Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
> ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
> Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab Converted 
> to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels
>
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Re: Uploading to the new Pentax Gallery

[Bruce Dayton]

I have uploaded - you need to have an account to do it, then use their
software to do the uploading.  You should contact the original posting
and request of that person to create an account.

-- 
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Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:25:01 AM, you wrote:

J> Has anyone uploaded photos to the new Pentax gallery yet ? If so 
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Re: PESO: Central Park in January

[Bruce Dayton]

colors, saturation and lighting are all very nice.  The composition
combines to make this a very pleasant scene to look at.

-- 
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Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 7:22:05 AM, you wrote:

as> Last month, that is - when it was Spring

as> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5603827

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Re: No GFM for me this year

[ann sanfedele]

Scott Loveless wrote:

>Har!  I was already planning to bring mine.
>
Thats really funny!  
once mug size or two? :)

a

>
>On 2/20/07, ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Damn, I'll have to bring my own french press coffee maker :)
>>(I know , I kidded you about it a couple of years ago - now I'm converted)
>>
>>Sounds like the right call for peace on the homefront , though and it is
>>pretty country.
>>
>>ann
>>
>>Stan Halpin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have decided that the better part of valor is to travel west, to
>>>Northern Sonoma County, CA the first weekend in June rather than east
>>>to GFM. The California attraction (?) is a wedding my wife is
>>>committed to attending. So I will go along.
>>>
>>>I will regret missing the weekend and the chance to renew
>>>acquaintances with many of you, to meet some of you for the first
>>>time. I'll try again next year.
>>>
>>>For anyone who wanted to go to GFM and did not sign up before the
>>>registration limit was reached, I would imagine that my registration
>>>could be transferred...
>>>
>>>Stan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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RE: PESO: Central Park in January

[Tom C]

Nice shot Ann.  I love the skyscrapers sandwiched between the trees.

Tom C.


>From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:22:05 -0500
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>Last month, that is - when it was Spring
>
>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5603827
>
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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Bruce Dayton]

Hmmm..5 minutes to fix seems rather optomistic.  I suppose if your
only goal is unique filenames, that may be feasible.  At least from my
perspective, I want the original raw name and subsequent alterations
to carry the same name.  So when I think of all the images that have
been archived off to DVD's and perhaps needing to rename all of them,
the task seems much longer than 5 minutes.  The other issue is coming
up with a naming convention that aids in organization.  IMGPx
doesn't really help much.

By taking the time during download to put some meaningful names to the
files alleviates the problem for later and also gives you a leg up on
organization.

Of course, I have no idea what your shooting/organizing is like so I
could blowing smoke.  At least for me - shooting weddings, portraits,
kid's sports, etc - organization is very important.

-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 2:58:14 AM, you wrote:

RB> I have no problem dealing with it, and you are right that the options
RB> arent tough - but I would rather spend 5 minutes dealing with it once
RB> every 4-5 years than have to do it every time I download images from a
RB> card.

RB> Rob


RB> -Original Message-
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RB> Bruce Dayton
RB> Sent: 19 February 2007 19:10
RB> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
RB> Subject: Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here


RB> Kind of reminds me of the Y2K problem - the older programmers thought
RB> they wouldn't need to deal with it, so didn't...until...

RB> Since you know you are going to end up with the problem, why not just
RB> come up with a solution now, instead of having to go back and fix it
RB> later?  The solutions aren't really too tough.

RB> -- 
RB> Bruce


RB> Monday, February 19, 2007, 9:41:16 AM, you wrote:

RB>> Looks interesting.  I am sure if I were shooting a lot more it would

RB>> be worthwhile, but it is a little overkill for my current needs. I
RB>> am sure that by splitting the range I have I can last at possibly as

RB>> long as a couple of years before overlap occurs.  I can then do a
RB>> simple rename changing the prefix on the existing images (I can 
RB>> write a util to do this in 5 mins if I don't already have something)

RB>> and off I go again.

RB>> Will take a look and think about whether something more useful would

RB>> be worthwhile though...

RB>> Cheers to all who responded.

RB>> Rob


RB>> -Original Message-
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RB>> Of Paul Sorenson
RB>> Sent: 19 February 2007 14:29
RB>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
RB>> Subject: Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here


RB>> Rob -

RB>> It's an extra piece of software, but if you're running Windows you
RB>> might

RB>> look at Downloader Pro.

RB>> http://www.breezesys.com/Downloader/features.htm

RB>> It has some nice features for transferring from card to computer,
RB>> including batch rename as part of the download process as well as
RB>> creating unique folders on the fly.  Since I use both a DS and a
RB> DS2, I
RB>> simply set my file names as I download them with DS_
RB> or
RB>> DS2_.

RB>> -P

RB>> Rob Brigham wrote:
>>> IS there an easy way to manually set the next file number?  From
>>> reading the manual it seems I can do this by renaming a file as 
>>> IMGP5000.PEF and putting it on and SD card then taking a new picture
RB> -

>>> thereby setting the counter to 5001?
>>> 
>>> I want to do this so that the naming is different to my *istD by
>>> having a start number that wont overlap (for some time...).
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>>> Of Joseph Tainter
>>> Sent: 19 February 2007 05:33
>>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>>> Subject: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And it supports the K10D. I just installed it. Download here:
>>> 
>>> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=3587&fileID
>>> =
>>> 33
>>> 77
>>> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yu9m82
>>> 
>>> Hooray! My SD storage capacity just expanded greatly.
>>> 
>>> Now I am going to reset my K10D to PEF format.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 


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Re: No GFM for me this year

[Scott Loveless]

On 2/20/07, ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scott Loveless wrote:
>
> >Har!  I was already planning to bring mine.
> >
> Thats really funny!
> once mug size or two? :)
>
It's technically a 9 cup carafe, but the French apparently drink very
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PESO - Lonesome Pine

[Tom C]

Another shot from last week.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601462

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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:10 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
>>> If you're running Windows, do a Google or Yahoo! search for "Bulk  
>>> Rename
>>> Utility".  The UI is kinda intimidating, but is easy to use for  
>>> simple
>>> renames like we're (probably) talking about here.  However, BRU  
>>> can do
>>> any rename you can specify with a regular expression, plus lots of  
>>> other
>>> stuff, so it should work for 99.99% of renaming needs.
>>
>> This is the one I use:
>> http://www.123renamer.com/
>> Adobe Bridge can also do file renaming.
>
>As can iView MediaPro and Lightroom.

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Re: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Norm Baugher]

I concur. Beautiful.
Norm

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> Very nice work!
>
> Godfrey
>
> From: "Fernando Terrazzino"
>   
>> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
>> from a warmer place.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
>> 
>
>
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Re: PESO - Fresh Snow

[Tom C]

Thanks Russell.



Tom C.


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>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:59:09 -0700
>
>nice one tom!  I like to two layers, it does make you feel as if you are 
>there
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Re: PESO: Central Park in January

[ann sanfedele]

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>Nice one. A classic Central Park image, with the buildings rising up behind 
>the trees, and a view that's only possible when the leaves are gone. Are you 
>looking toward the southeast corner of the park here? You must have been near 
>the west end when you took the shot. That looks like what used to be the GM 
>building toward the left (with FAO Schwartz on the first floor). When I worked 
>on 53rd and Lex, I sometimes ate lunch in the southeast corner of the park 
>near the pond. Good times, long gone. Thanks for sharing.
>Paul
>  
>
Thanks, Paul -- I actually just sold a ink jet print of this yesterday , 
kinda by accident.

re location - right -  I was strolling across the park from CP West near 
the bottom edge of the park -  The lens was 18-55 mm
on the darkside digital Rebel and the specs say the shot was taken at 
21mm - which is what in 35mm terms?
about  30mm?   shot at 1/80th , ISO 100, f5.0

ann


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>>Last month, that is - when it was Spring
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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Paul Sorenson]

Good old Irfanview will also do batch rename, batch conversion or a 
combination of both in one process.

-P

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Doug Franklin" 
> Subject: Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here
> 
> 
> 
>> If you're running Windows, do a Google or Yahoo! search for "Bulk Rename
>> Utility".  The UI is kinda intimidating, but is easy to use for simple
>> renames like we're (probably) talking about here.  However, BRU can do
>> any rename you can specify with a regular expression, plus lots of other
>> stuff, so it should work for 99.99% of renaming needs.
> 
> This is the one I use:
> http://www.123renamer.com/
> Adobe Bridge can also do file renaming.
> 
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PESO -- Old Friends

[P. J. Alling]

I keep trying to do justice to these stupid things, it's becoming an 
obsession...

http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_oldfriends.html

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Re: test

[P. J. Alling]

Fail.

J wrote:
> test
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Re: PESO: Central Park in January

[P. J. Alling]

Yep it looks like spring.

ann sanfedele wrote:
> Last month, that is - when it was Spring
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5603827
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Re: PESO - Lonesome Pine

[P. J. Alling]

Damn, I hate you more and more...

Tom C wrote:
> Another shot from last week.
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601462
>
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Re: PESO - Lonesome Pine

[Bruce Dayton]

Nice, but not quite as good as your most recent ones.  For this one, I
feel that there is too much foreground and not enough background.  Not
sure if you could have done anything different given the terrain, but
that is my perception.

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TC> Another shot from last week.

TC> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601462

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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Thibouille]

This seems to me a lot more reasonable, if not mandatory.

2007/2/20, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> At my work we have to count bytes very carefully.  Our product has to
> analyze objects with tens or even hundreds of millions of entities in
> real time, the representation of those entities has to be very
> compact, otherwise you can run out of memory quickly.  The inner most
> loop of the program itself has to be extremely efficient, otherwise an
> inefficiency somewhere can cost hours of CPU time.  And we are
> competing with other vendors who are trying to get any margin of speed
> or memory advantage to make a sale.
>
> rg
>
>
> On 2/19/07, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Today it is the opposite, I realize at school teachers always tought
> > us that performance wasn't a big deal since power of computers was
> > going up so much anyway.
> >
> > In my limited experience, it made people not care at all about
> > performance which is pretty puch stupid. Of course spending a byte
> > more or less here and there is a silly question but no care about
> > performance !?
> >
> > Never understood their POV. Maybe it goes all too fast for them ;)
> >
> >
> > 2007/2/19, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > I worked on projects where saving a couple of bytes in a character
> > > string ended up in hardware/storage savings figures in the Millions of
> > > dollars.  The Y2K problem was mostly the result of that kind of analysis.
> > >
> > > Bruce Dayton wrote:
> > > > Kind of reminds me of the Y2K problem - the older programmers thought
> > > > they wouldn't need to deal with it, so didn't...until...
> > > >
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Re: PESO -- Old Friends

[w__robb]

Quoting "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I keep trying to do justice to these stupid things, it's becoming an
> obsession...
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_oldfriends.html
>
> Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0 [AL]
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> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
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Take a ladder next time.

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Re: PESO - Lonesome Pine

[K.Takeshita]

On 2/20/07 12:14 PM, "Tom C", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Another shot from last week.
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601462

Aahhhhh  You did it again!  My envying mind make me feel get out
into nature where I really belong (no I'm not a wild mountain man but love
nature and wilderness:-)
Nice composition.  Low lying grasses in this scene bother me a bit.  Perhaps
more snow would have been better.
As someone (Boris?) said, you are lucky to be in abundant nature but it
requires your skill to capture it.

Thanks for sharing.

Ken


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PESO: Swan panorama

[Toine]

Cygnus cygnus actually. From Wikipedia: The Whooper Swan (Cygnus
cygnus) is a large Northern Hemisphere swan. It is the Old World
counterpart of the North American Trumpeter Swan.

http://leende.net/peso/swanpano.htm

Stitched (and cropped) from 5 shots, istD, FA 80-320 @ 320, 1/640 f9.0
400 ASA, monopod

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Re: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[David J Brooks]

What Norm said.

Dave

On 2/20/07, Norm Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I concur. Beautiful.
> Norm
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> > Very nice work!
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> > From: "Fernando Terrazzino"
> >
> >> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
> >> from a warmer place.
> >>
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
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RE: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Rob Brigham]

Like I said, different needs.  My shots are all for me and sequential
ordering is perfect for my family shots as it keeps them in date
sequence.  I take probably 1000 shots in a year on average, maybe 2000
at most.  I no longer back up to DVD with a view to later retrieval due
to the instability of the format and the cheapness of external HDDs - I
use two 500Gb External Hard Drives (one kept at home, one at work) to
backup all the content on my PC periodically and the structure mirrors
exactly that on the PC which is:

All RAW Files in one folder
All High Res JPGs in two folders - one for family pics and the other for
my suff like landscapes etc.  if there are multiple versions of a RAW
conversion I will add a suffix letter or word, retaining the original
filename.
All low res JPGs for the wife to email out etc in another folder.

Only time I deviate from this is if I temporarily want to separate out a
bunch of stuff for printing but I usually dump it or merge it back
afterwards.

All I would do is once every 5 years rename IMGPx.yyy to
IMGPax.yyy in a couple of years for these four folders on the three
drives and I am good to go for another 5, 6 or 7 years after which I can
rename the newer lot to IMGPbx.yyy and continue till the cameras are
replaced with something that uses a different filename.

If I were doing jobs I would want to categorise things separately and
organising in the way you do, but that just isnt necessary for my
throughput apart from which I am lazy on day to day tasks like this!  If
I get more time to go back to landscapes then these might get
categorised properly but at the moment spending time with the kids take
priority over going off travelling on my own to do this. 


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Hmmm..5 minutes to fix seems rather optomistic.  I suppose if your only
goal is unique filenames, that may be feasible.  At least from my
perspective, I want the original raw name and subsequent alterations to
carry the same name.  So when I think of all the images that have been
archived off to DVD's and perhaps needing to rename all of them, the
task seems much longer than 5 minutes.  The other issue is coming up
with a naming convention that aids in organization.  IMGPx doesn't
really help much.

By taking the time during download to put some meaningful names to the
files alleviates the problem for later and also gives you a leg up on
organization.

Of course, I have no idea what your shooting/organizing is like so I
could blowing smoke.  At least for me - shooting weddings, portraits,
kid's sports, etc - organization is very important.

-- 
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Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 2:58:14 AM, you wrote:

RB> I have no problem dealing with it, and you are right that the 
RB> options arent tough - but I would rather spend 5 minutes dealing 
RB> with it once every 4-5 years than have to do it every time I 
RB> download images from a card.

RB> Rob


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RB> Of Bruce Dayton
RB> Sent: 19 February 2007 19:10
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RB> Subject: Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here


RB> Kind of reminds me of the Y2K problem - the older programmers 
RB> thought they wouldn't need to deal with it, so didn't...until...

RB> Since you know you are going to end up with the problem, why not 
RB> just come up with a solution now, instead of having to go back and 
RB> fix it later?  The solutions aren't really too tough.

RB> --
RB> Bruce


RB> Monday, February 19, 2007, 9:41:16 AM, you wrote:

RB>> Looks interesting.  I am sure if I were shooting a lot more it
would

RB>> be worthwhile, but it is a little overkill for my current needs. I
RB>> am sure that by splitting the range I have I can last at possibly
as

RB>> long as a couple of years before overlap occurs.  I can then do a
RB>> simple rename changing the prefix on the existing images (I can 
RB>> write a util to do this in 5 mins if I don't already have
something)

RB>> and off I go again.

RB>> Will take a look and think about whether something more useful
would

RB>> be worthwhile though...

RB>> Cheers to all who responded.

RB>> Rob


RB>> -Original Message-
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Behalf

RB>> Of Paul Sorenson
RB>> Sent: 19 February 2007 14:29
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RB>> Subject: Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here


RB>> Rob -

RB>> It's an extra piece of software, but if you're running Windows you
RB>> might

RB>> look at Downloader Pro.

RB>> http://www.breezesys.com/Downloader/features.htm

RB>> It has some nice features for transferring from card to computer,
RB>> including batch rename as part of the download process as well as
RB>> creating unique folders on the fly.  Since I use both a DS and a
RB> DS2, I
RB>> simply

Re: PESO - Lonesome Pine

[Rick Womer]

Tom, I hope you're sending these in to that Pentax
gallery, or are organizing a show, or something.  This
last week of photos deserves to be shared.

(Maybe I should give up this photo stuff and start
collecting marbles or something...)

Rick

--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Another shot from last week.
> 
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Re: lightroom performance :: problems on a PC, etc

[Thibouille]

Because many system do run XP well enough but do not provide SSE2 support.
Example: my wife's ultraportable has a 866 Pentium3 cpu with 384MB and
30GB disk. Sure a bit more ram and newer disk would do magic, it still
runs quite comfortably about any "normal" software + a couple of "not
that old" games. But it does not supports SSE2 and so would be VERY
slow witth Lightroom.

But I didn't know Lightroom was that much optimized for SSE2 and it
really explains why my desktop PC was s slow running Lightroom:
AMD AthlonXP 2GHz with 768MBram and 200GB disk. Still OK PC isn't it?
Not for Lightroom. AthlonXP only provide support for SSE and not SSE2
nor SSE3/4.

To stay simple and know what CPU will provide SSE2:

* Intel: Any Pentium4 or derivates (including Celeron, Xeon based on
P4) and Pentium-M and derivates (Core Duo etc).

* AMD: Opteron, Athlon64 and Sempron (only Sempron based on Athlon64,
some were based on AthlonXP)

And BTW GHz doesn't mean anything anymore. A 2GHZ AMD AthlonXP will
usually eat for lunch a Pentium4 2GHz (except e.g. in Lightroom 'cos
SSE2) but this 2GHz AMD will gets kicked by CoreDuo 2GHz. So, when
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Re: PESO - Lonesome Pine

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Tom C wrote:

> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601462

Sure getting a lot of mileage out of last week, eh?
This one is nice too. I could do without the lower third of the  
frame, however.

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Re: Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[Mark Roberts]

In case anyone is still interested in this, I just actually *read* 
through the entire licensing agreement for my educational version of 
Adobe Photoshop CS2. It specifies that you must meet qualifications to 
*buy* the educational version, but makes *no* restrictions whatsoever 
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Re: Running Vista?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 6:23 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

>> What makes one interface superior to another?  I run XP configured to
>> classic style with no animations or sound effects at home.  At work
>> I am forced to use XP in all it's XPness.  The animations just  
>> slow things
>> down too much when I know exactly what I want to make happen.
>
> You'll be pleased to note that you can do much the same with Vista.
> Switch the "performance" options from "Let Windows decide" to "best
> performance" (or similar words, I'm going from memory here).  Turns
> off a lot of the ugly graphics and animations.  Whew!

What I don't understand is why they think people would want them, and  
conversely why some people seem to like them.

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Re: PESO: Central Park in January

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:22 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

> Last month, that is - when it was Spring
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5603827

Nice one, Ann. I like the starkness and clean, crisp detailing of the  
buildings.

A suggestion: some selective rendering on the rock area in the middle  
background (lighten, stretch the contrast a little, reduce the blue)  
would enhance the scene nicely. Tonalities and detailing seems a  
little bit muddy in that area.

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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Thibouille]

2007/2/20, Rob Brigham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Like I said, different needs.  My shots are all for me and sequential
> ordering is perfect for my family shots as it keeps them in date
> sequence.  I take probably 1000 shots in a year on average, maybe 2000
> at most.  I no longer back up to DVD with a view to later retrieval due
> to the instability of the format and the cheapness of external HDDs - I
> use two 500Gb External Hard Drives (one kept at home, one at work) to
> backup all the content on my PC periodically and the structure mirrors
> exactly that on the PC which is:
>

Rob, you speaking about DVD backup makes me think about something
What if I have a nice indexed library under Lightroom and that I lose
it (let's say, hard disk crash). Sure I can get my PEFs and DNGs from
DVD back but what about the index?

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Re: PESO -- Old Friends

[pnstenquist]

Or wait until there are leaves on those trees. Then shoot with less DOF.
Paul
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> 
> > I keep trying to do justice to these stupid things, it's becoming an
> > obsession...
> >
> > http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_oldfriends.html
> >
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> Take a ladder next time.
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Re: Running Vista?

[Thibouille]

In Vista, why not. In XP defenitely not.
But maybe I'll change my mind in a couple weeks...

2007/2/20, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On Feb 20, 2007, at 6:23 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>
> >> What makes one interface superior to another?  I run XP configured to
> >> classic style with no animations or sound effects at home.  At work
> >> I am forced to use XP in all it's XPness.  The animations just
> >> slow things
> >> down too much when I know exactly what I want to make happen.
> >
> > You'll be pleased to note that you can do much the same with Vista.
> > Switch the "performance" options from "Let Windows decide" to "best
> > performance" (or similar words, I'm going from memory here).  Turns
> > off a lot of the ugly graphics and animations.  Whew!
>
> What I don't understand is why they think people would want them, and
> conversely why some people seem to like them.
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RE: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Rob Brigham]

Fabulous - would love to have been there to see it.  You did a great job
on this shot.

Rob

- Original Message - 
From: "Fernando Terrazzino" 
Subject: PESO: I


> I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come

> from a warmer place.
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Re: lightroom performance :: problems on a PC, etc

[Scott Loveless]

On 2/20/07, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To stay simple and know what CPU will provide SSE2:
>
> * Intel: Any Pentium4 or derivates (including Celeron, Xeon based on
> P4) and Pentium-M and derivates (Core Duo etc).
>
> * AMD: Opteron, Athlon64 and Sempron (only Sempron based on Athlon64,
> some were based on AthlonXP)
>
> And BTW GHz doesn't mean anything anymore. A 2GHZ AMD AthlonXP will
> usually eat for lunch a Pentium4 2GHz (except e.g. in Lightroom 'cos
> SSE2) but this 2GHz AMD will gets kicked by CoreDuo 2GHz. So, when
> talking about CPU, please tell your CPU model as well ;)

I tried the lightroom beta on both of our workstation (XP SP2 on
both).  Christie's machine has an AthlonXP and mine has a Sempron 64
bit processor.  Ran great on mine.  Was a dog on hers.  The SSE2
optimization certainly explains it.


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Re: Running Vista?

[Adam Maas]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2007, at 6:23 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
> 
>>> What makes one interface superior to another?  I run XP configured to
>>> classic style with no animations or sound effects at home.  At work
>>> I am forced to use XP in all it's XPness.  The animations just  
>>> slow things
>>> down too much when I know exactly what I want to make happen.
>> You'll be pleased to note that you can do much the same with Vista.
>> Switch the "performance" options from "Let Windows decide" to "best
>> performance" (or similar words, I'm going from memory here).  Turns
>> off a lot of the ugly graphics and animations.  Whew!
> 
> What I don't understand is why they think people would want them, and  
> conversely why some people seem to like them.
> 
> G
> 

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bragging rights in the Mac world that MS is fighting)

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RE: PESO -- Old Friends

[Tom C]

It looks interesting.  What are they?  I suspect some sort of signal 
switching devices.



Tom C.



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>
>I keep trying to do justice to these stupid things, it's becoming an
>obsession...
>
>http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_oldfriends.html
>
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Re: PESO - Lonesome Pine

[Tom C]

>
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601462
>
>Sure getting a lot of mileage out of last week, eh?
>This one is nice too. I could do without the lower third of the
>frame, however.
>
>G
>

Your comments have shown me it will work as a square composition also.  I 
was a good 100 yards downhill from the main subject.  My intent was to shoot 
across the repeating hills, making them become a series of foreground 
diagonals.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Tom C.



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Re: Education softwares : what use can make from those ?

[Thibouille]

Indeed I'm very interested. Thanks Mark for going through this
(probably very funny) exercise :) I appreciate it much !

2007/2/20, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> In case anyone is still interested in this, I just actually *read*
> through the entire licensing agreement for my educational version of
> Adobe Photoshop CS2. It specifies that you must meet qualifications to
> *buy* the educational version, but makes *no* restrictions whatsoever
> on how you may use it after purchase.
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Re: Central Park in January

[Kenneth Waller]

Has a nice crisp look to it Ann. I like it.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Central Park in January


> Last month, that is - when it was Spring
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5603827
> 
> ann


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Re: PESO - Lonesome Pine

[Jack Davis]

Tom,
Well seen! I like it enough to feel it's worth trying a couple
manipulations.
I think the weight of the heavier foreground grass in the is
distracting. Also, this is the kind of image that should isolate the
primary element in the center of the frame. (horizontally, at least, if
you have any more on the left)
Believe I'd try cropping the bottom leaving the right upper edge of the
foreground grass which I'd then clone out.
Got all that, Tom?  ;-})

Jack
--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Another shot from last week.
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601462
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
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Re: PESO - Lonesome Pine

[Kenneth Waller]

Nice capture Tom. If it were mine I would have made the tree more prominent 
by eliminating the foreground ridge. I know that ridge complements the ridge 
the tree is on but for me it is distracting.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
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Subject: PESO - Lonesome Pine


> Another shot from last week.
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601462
>
> Tom C.


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Re: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Fernando Terrazzino]

On 2/19/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Gorgeous shot.
> Your pictures deserve a Wisner.
>
> William Robb

Thanks Bill, I'll take it as a compliment, although, I'm not sure I'm
up to the challenge of actually using it ;-)

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Re: PESO - Lonesome Pine

[Mark Roberts]

Tom C wrote:

>Another shot from last week.
>
>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5601462

Right. Now we have to kill you.

(Seems last week was a good week for you...)


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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Fernando Terrazzino]

Dave, Godfrey, Norm, Rob, Gonz, JCO & Ann

Thanks for the kind comments & suggestions,

Ann, I usually feel the same way, but somehow this time I like the B&W
better, I mean the composition is the same, but to me in this
particular case the B&W emphasizes the structure and the chunks of
ice, and adds some sort of timeless feeling (sorry have a tendency of
getting poetic on mondays...). ;-)

But, here's the color conversion (this was with silkypix "memory color
2" IIRC before my trial expired)

I'm not planing to work on it (cuz I like the B&W) but it would
probably need to be converted again with some white balance correction
(the blue cast is actually more true to how the scene looked that day
at that time anyway).

Here it goes, color version:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/390784370/



On 2/20/07, ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fernando Terrazzino wrote:
>
> >I'm probably more inclined to pay attention to frozen lakes, as I come
> >from a warmer place.
> >
> >http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395612866&size=o
> >
> >Lake Ontario,
> >Pentax K10D, DA16-45/[EMAIL PROTECTED],16mm
> >ISO: 100, AV, +1EV
> >Shot in raw, converted to tif(16bits) with Pentax photolab
> >Converted to B&W with Channel Mixer, Some curves&levels
> >
> >Comments appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> Great mood - I like it a lot -- but every time someone says they
> converted a shot to black and white I get
> curious about the color version :)  I have a feeling it would work well
> in color too.
>
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Re: Running Vista?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

>>> ... Turns
>>> off a lot of the ugly graphics and animations.  Whew!
>>
>> What I don't understand is why they think people would want them, and
>> conversely why some people seem to like them.
>
> Ooh, Shiney! sells a lot of stuff early on (It's also a classic bit of
> bragging rights in the Mac world that MS is fighting)

The thing is, however, that the Mac OS interface has always been  
pretty restrained and spare, with a minimum of goofy dancing  
silliness and "pretty just for pretty sake" kind of stuff. There have  
certainly been exceptions to this, but overall (aside from some  
people's bizarro desire to color scroll bars and such in weird colors  
and SJ's ridiculous "lick-able" appellation) it's pretty staid and  
conservative: just elegant and clean from a design graphics point of  
view.

I absolutely DETEST the stupid little dancing help thing that Office  
has as a default. First time I saw it I nearly picked up a hammer and  
smashed the screen.

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Re: PESO: IIIIIIIIIIIII

[Tom C]

>
>I'm not planing to work on it (cuz I like the B&W) but it would
>probably need to be converted again with some white balance correction
>(the blue cast is actually more true to how the scene looked that day
>at that time anyway).
>
>Here it goes, color version:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/390784370/
>
>

Hi Fernando,

Just for your edification... :-)  I actually prefer the color rendition.

It's interesting to hear you ponder whether the white balance needs 
adjustment or the blue cast is preferable, as I sometimes struggle with the 
same kind of decision.

I suppose it all depends on the preference and wish of the photographer.  In 
this case I think the natural bluish cast works well and emphasizes the 
biting coldness.

Tom C.



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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[John Francis]

People can get carried away by the search for performance.
As a rough-and-ready rule of thumb I don't generally bother to
try too hard for anything less than a factor of two in speed,
especially if doing so would add to the complexity of the code.
Avoid obvious inefficiencies, of course, and try to use an
approach that optimizes data locality.  But structuring the
inner loop of an algorithm to match today's processors (or,
even worse, writing it in assembly code) is generally a bad
idea - modern compilers generally attain within 10% of the
optimal instruction stream (and know how best to change this
when processor design changes).

And, of course, you need to know where to focus your effort.
I've just redesigned one (particularly bad) implementation
to get about two orders of magnitude in performance. I'm
sure that with another week of effort I could probably get
another factor of two (or maybe three) out of this code, at
a significant cost in clarity (and risk of obscure bugs).
But I'm not going to bother, because the current design is
now only about 1/3 of the total processing time (instead
of dominating everything).  Even if I reduced the time that
is spent in this code to nothing, that would still only net
about 25%-30% of a performance gain in the total system.



On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 06:35:51PM +0100, Thibouille wrote:
> This seems to me a lot more reasonable, if not mandatory.
> 
> 2007/2/20, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > At my work we have to count bytes very carefully.  Our product has to
> > analyze objects with tens or even hundreds of millions of entities in
> > real time, the representation of those entities has to be very
> > compact, otherwise you can run out of memory quickly.  The inner most
> > loop of the program itself has to be extremely efficient, otherwise an
> > inefficiency somewhere can cost hours of CPU time.  And we are
> > competing with other vendors who are trying to get any margin of speed
> > or memory advantage to make a sale.
> >
> > rg
> >
> >
> > On 2/19/07, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Today it is the opposite, I realize at school teachers always tought
> > > us that performance wasn't a big deal since power of computers was
> > > going up so much anyway.
> > >
> > > In my limited experience, it made people not care at all about
> > > performance which is pretty puch stupid. Of course spending a byte
> > > more or less here and there is a silly question but no care about
> > > performance !?
> > >
> > > Never understood their POV. Maybe it goes all too fast for them ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > 2007/2/19, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > I worked on projects where saving a couple of bytes in a character
> > > > string ended up in hardware/storage savings figures in the Millions of
> > > > dollars.  The Y2K problem was mostly the result of that kind of 
> > > > analysis.
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Dayton wrote:
> > > > > Kind of reminds me of the Y2K problem - the older programmers thought
> > > > > they wouldn't need to deal with it, so didn't...until...
> > > > >
> > > > > Since you know you are going to end up with the problem, why not just
> > > > > come up with a solution now, instead of having to go back and fix it
> > > > > later?  The solutions aren't really too tough.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[David J Brooks]

CKRENAME is what i use.Works great.

Dave

On 2/20/07, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> >On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:10 AM, William Robb wrote:
> >
> >>> If you're running Windows, do a Google or Yahoo! search for "Bulk
> >>> Rename
> >>> Utility".  The UI is kinda intimidating, but is easy to use for
> >>> simple
> >>> renames like we're (probably) talking about here.  However, BRU
> >>> can do
> >>> any rename you can specify with a regular expression, plus lots of
> >>> other
> >>> stuff, so it should work for 99.99% of renaming needs.
> >>
> >> This is the one I use:
> >> http://www.123renamer.com/
> >> Adobe Bridge can also do file renaming.
> >
> >As can iView MediaPro and Lightroom.
>
> And the old standby IrfanView.
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Re: Camera Raw 3.7 is Here

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Thibouille wrote:

> 2007/2/20, Rob Brigham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Like I said, different needs.  My shots are all for me and sequential
>> ordering is perfect for my family shots as it keeps them in date
>> sequence.  I take probably 1000 shots in a year on average, maybe  
>> 2000
>> at most.  I no longer back up to DVD with a view to later  
>> retrieval due
>> to the instability of the format and the cheapness of external  
>> HDDs - I
>> use two 500Gb External Hard Drives (one kept at home, one at work) to
>> backup all the content on my PC periodically and the structure  
>> mirrors
>> exactly that on the PC which is:
>>
>
> Rob, you speaking about DVD backup makes me think about something
> What if I have a nice indexed library under Lightroom and that I lose
> it (let's say, hard disk crash). Sure I can get my PEFs and DNGs from
> DVD back but what about the index?

Lightroom can look at different library source locations and has  
facilities to create a backup library automatically. I backup the  
Lightroom library to an external hard drive.

Godfrey

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