RE: Firmware 1.10

2007-04-30 Thread Rod Connan
Godfrey,

Sadly I think they were optimists as I took identical condition images
before and after the update from v1.1 to v1.2 and sadly I could see no
significant difference.

I was actually pursuing minor VPN noise that I can only clearly display IF I
underexpose by two stops and then push 2 stops in RAW development - In other
words RIDICULOUS conditions.

The test images are available here:
http://rconn.zenfolio.com/p717942348/
and all were exposed at ISO 1600

Rod

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...
I have v1.20 installed now. Some folks on DPReview have reported  
reduced noise with it.

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Re: PESO: City Bird

2007-04-30 Thread David Mann
On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5910039

 Nice, Paul. I like the crop.

I prefer the gizzard.

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Re: A conversation yesterday

2007-04-30 Thread David Mann
On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 Whoops.  I'd forgotten about the LX.  Yup, you can beat the K2 with
 another Pentax even if you really like the K2 ...

I actually do like the K2 more than the LX :)

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Re: Sacred Heart in BW

2007-04-30 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.
Nice shot, and a good job of adjusting for good BW.

Maris

Mark Erickson wrote:
 Got a little time to play today, so I went down to Sacred Heart
 Church in East Sacramento.  The church is a really nice example of
 local brick architecture from early in the last century:
 
 http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/SacredHeart01bwmed.jpg
 
 Taken with my *ist-Ds and 21 Ltd lens.  I did a little perspective
 correction, used channel mixers to go to BW, burned the sky in a
 fair bit, and finished off with my digital lith process.
 
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Re: A Better Bounce Card, revisited.

2007-04-30 Thread Boris Liberman
Don, I don't recall having to roll it down, though I don't shoot much
with flash any way. It can be rolled of course.

On 4/29/07, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sounds cool Boris, will the envelope 'roll down' like the foamie stuff?

 Don

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Re: PESO: A Friday night in Sclessin

2007-04-30 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Very, very nice. Are those people really  not bothered by being near the
 smokestacks? 

The locals know that once the smokestacks will be gone, another great
number of jobs will be gone as well. Besides, they're high enough to be
of no concern to the immediate vicinity. The stadium and the people
living nearby have their daily dose of poison delivered directly from
the plant at the foot the smokestacks:

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/6506220

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Re: PESO: Sacred Heart in BW

2007-04-30 Thread Boris Liberman
Mark, although I cannot say that I care much for angle of view you
chosen, the rendering and technical quality of the picture are
outstanding.

Boris

On 4/30/07, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a little time to play today, so I went down to Sacred Heart Church in
 East Sacramento.  The church is a really nice example of local brick
 architecture from early in the last century:

 http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/SacredHeart01bwmed.jpg

 Taken with my *ist-Ds and 21 Ltd lens.  I did a little perspective
 correction, used channel mixers to go to BW, burned the sky in a fair bit,
 and finished off with my digital lith process.

 Comments?

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Re: Self Portrait

2007-04-30 Thread Boris Liberman
I'd second that.

On 4/30/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 29/4/07, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I've been in the office all afternoon doing some editing and more
 textures photos, and got to fooling around, coming up with this:
 
 http://www.alphoto.com/images/selfport.jpg
 
 kind of odd.
 
 and so is the photo.

 I think it's about time we had a self-p gallery again !

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Re: PESO: Mr. Downey

2007-04-30 Thread Boris Liberman
Cotty, being predictable is not always a good idea...

On 4/29/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 29/4/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Your pecker looks a little soft, Paul, but the angle is about right.

 Mark!  (But you knew I would do that didn't you ;-)

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Re: Heron portrait and an union :-)

2007-04-30 Thread Jan van Wijk
Thanks Ken!

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:42:15 -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote:

Well done Heron. Great subject  light.

Kenneth Waller


 One more from the heron series, a pretty close portrait of
 a blue heron concentrated on fish, not photographers :-)
 
 http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?id=237

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Re: How to Clean a LCD Screen?

2007-04-30 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/04/29 Sun AM 07:52:17 GMT
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: How to Clean a LCD Screen?
 
 On 28/4/07, eric, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 See the results of Windex on a Macbook - 
 http://forum.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t27618.html
 
 LOL
 
 cause ---  effect.

Even better, champagne:
http://forum.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t48176.html
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Re: PESO: First Tulip

2007-04-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Marnie.
Paul
On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 4/29/2007 8:09:06 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 A beautiful spring day  in Michigan. My tulips are popping out all
 over. Grace is  pleased.
 Paul
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5910081

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 Pretty  and nice colors.

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Re: City Bird

2007-04-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Ken. These guys live on Old Woodward in Birmingham and are  
quite approachable.
Paul
On Apr 29, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 Nice capture of an American Tree Sparrow ( Spizella arborea) !

 Kenneth Waller

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 Subject: PESO: City Bird


 Went out to do some street photography today. Shot another damn
 bird:-). The DA50-200 of course.
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5910039


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Re: First Tulip

2007-04-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks for the feedback.
Paul
On Apr 29, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:


 Nice colorful capture. I'd probably crop out the bottom quarter of  
 the image
 if it were mine.

 Kenneth Waller

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 Subject: PESO: First Tulip


 A beautiful spring day in Michigan. My tulips are popping out all
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Re: PESO: City Bird

2007-04-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Marnie.
On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 4/29/2007 7:41:45 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Went out to do some  street photography today. Shot another damn
 bird:-). The DA50-200 of  course.
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5910039

 ===
 I  rather like this. Nice DOF, cute bird, and I really like what he is
 sitting on.  Good one!

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Capture One Pro vs.......

2007-04-30 Thread Patrick Genovese
With the availability of Capture One for the K10D it would be
interesting to see how it stacks up against the other options eg. ACR
3.7, ACR 4, SilkyPix and Lightroom.

I simply love the way lightroom works and would need a very compelling
argument to ditch it but I may consider getting something like C1Pro
for that extra bit of edge when you really need it.

What's the general opinion on C1Pro vs the others ?

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RE: A Better Bounce Card, revisited.

2007-04-30 Thread Don Sanderson
Great idea Rod, well done too.

Don

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 I have used it and modified the mounting to reduce the need for folding, I
 particularly like the _much_ higher efficiency compared to a simple
 diffuser.

 Take a look at
 http://rconn.zenfolio.com/p692399892/
 for details and a couple of sample images taken with it at full extension.

 I got my foam from a local art and craft supplier.

 Rod

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 Sanderson

 Some time ago there was a thread on A Better Bounce Card:
 http://www.abetterbouncecard.com/

 I tried this out a few days ago and they really do work well.
 I still find the Gary Fong Lightsphere more versatile but at almost free
 vs $49 the 'BBC' is a great option.

 Here's a good source I found for the 'Foamie material:
 http://sciplus.com/singleItem.cfm?terms=11912cartLogFrom=Search
 Even has some colored sheets for the kids (me) to play with!  ;-)

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Re: PESO: First Tulip

2007-04-30 Thread Bob Shell

On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 A beautiful spring day in Michigan. My tulips are popping out all
 over. Grace is pleased.
 Paul
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5910081

Very nice.

Here in the Virginia mountains a cruel late hard frost killed all but  
one of my tulips, and bent that one 90 degrees.  It bravely bloomed  
anyway, stem and flower parallel to the ground.

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Re: OT: When is macro macro?

2007-04-30 Thread Bob Shell

On Apr 29, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 Macro is in the 1:2 to 1:1 range. Your Tamron does 1:2 (half life- 
 size)
 without the dedicated extension tube.

 Microphotography is greater than 1:1 magnification. But that generally
 requires bellows or a reverse mounted lens on a macro lens rather than
 just a macro lens.

Technically speaking, microphotography is making tiny photographs.   
Photomicrography is what you are talking about.  Two very different  
things.

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Re: PESO: First Tulip

2007-04-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Bob. We had a late frost in Michigan as well. I lost about  
half a dozen tulips, but most survived.
Paul
On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:06 AM, Bob Shell wrote:


 On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 A beautiful spring day in Michigan. My tulips are popping out all
 over. Grace is pleased.
 Paul
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5910081

 Very nice.

 Here in the Virginia mountains a cruel late hard frost killed all but
 one of my tulips, and bent that one 90 degrees.  It bravely bloomed
 anyway, stem and flower parallel to the ground.

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Re: AOL bounce, was: GMail problems

2007-04-30 Thread Christian
Stan Halpin wrote:
 I have had a similar problem.
 My wife only uses AOL. (My fault - that is what I started her on, now  
 she is used to it.)
 
 When she travels, she cannot send me an email whether to my AOL or  
 this account or any other. Unless she uses AOL webmail. She has no  
 problem sending to anyone else, whether in her address book or not.
 She can however Reply to me with no problem. When trying to send, she  
 gets a bounce-back from AOL that says that [whatever account she is  
 trying to reach] is not accepting email. Right.
 

Hey, Stan, I'm working with Bob Shell to figure his problem out. 
Contact me off list and I'll try to work your wife's problem as well.

Seriously, I might as well use my position in what used to be called 
Mail Operations (now known as Communication Services) and my co-workers' 
expertise to figure out these things.  My job is storing the individual 
emails as well as tracking and storing spam complaints, white lists, 
blocked IPs, etc. etc. but I work closely with the postmaster team and 
they should be able to tell me what's going on.
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Spotmatic - focusing

2007-04-30 Thread Jens Bladt

A Danish guy gave me an the old Spotmatic, I wrote about some time ago.
I really like the focusing scrreen and soft focusing coil.
This way of focusing is brilliant - by means of a micro-prism screen/field.
This camera must hve been way ahead of its time  - compared to Exakta's and
such
Especcially the Spotmatic F (must get one someday) .No wonder they were such
a huge success.
I wonder if I could get screens like this in my *ist D  and K10D?

Regards
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Oh deer (a snap picture)

2007-04-30 Thread Tim Øsleby
We have a lot of deer in my area. But they are shy, very shy. Normally you 
just gets a brief glanse of them before they fly away doing their things.
A couple of days ago I managed to get 40 exposures of this, from behind a 
stonefence. The light was bad, and the result is thereafter, but I feel like 
sharing this presious moment of sneak hunting.

http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=58253ref=author (my bad site)
There are thumbs below the picture. The second thumb is the mother, the 
others are of her year old offspring. The third thumb is the best edit, I 
beleave. The perspective lies, the mother is far away from the building in 
the background

K10D and K-500/4,5 @ Manfrotto gimbal mount, 1/30s, f:4,5, 1250 ISO.
Tripod extended to the limit, and no solid ground.
With my old Velbon CF-630 tripod, I beleave all exposures would have been 
garbadge, now with the Benro C-457 half of them are near ok.


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Re: Firmware 1.10

2007-04-30 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bob,
Your message appears with 30 or 40 blanks lines at the end.
Is this on purpose?
Regards, Bob S.

On 4/29/07, Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anything new with regards to exposure errors when using K and M lenses in
 manual using the green button?

 Bob
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 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Firmware 1.10


 Remember that the K10D's 1.10 update incited second curtain sync and
 possibly wireless remote flash issues.

 I have v1.20 installed now. Some folks on DPReview have reported
 reduced noise with it.

 Godfrey


 On Apr 29, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Bob Rapp wrote:

  Hi Andre,
  You can go the Pentax.de site and download that version. I did
  recently.
  If you have a problem, email me off list and I will supply you with
  a copy.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Bob
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  I'd like to upgrade to firmware v1.10 instead of more recent ones.
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RE: A Better Bounce Card, revisited.

2007-04-30 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/04/29 Sun PM 06:13:46 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: RE: A Better Bounce Card, revisited.
 
 Hi Dave, thought since there were no 100+ message threads involving
 heated debates or character assasination at the moment, I might pop
 in with a photography related message! ;-)
 I've been scanning the threads all along but refuse to read/get
 involved in the flame wars anymore.
 Precious little time for photography anymore, let alone silly
 arguments.
 
 Don

Nonetheless, it's good to see you around again.

 
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  Subject: Re: A Better Bounce Card, revisited.
 
 
  Hi Don.
 
  I made one a few months ago, and agree, it works very well.
 
  I found the foam at a local convenience store for $0.99 and used a
  hair band from my daughters collection to secure it.
 
  Dave
 
  ps good to see you back on
 
  On 4/29/07, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Some time ago there was a thread on A Better Bounce Card:
   http://www.abetterbouncecard.com/
  
   I tried this out a few days ago and they really do work well.
   I still find the Gary Fong Lightsphere more versatile but at almost free
   vs $49 the 'BBC' is a great option.
  
   Here's a good source I found for the 'Foamie material:
   http://sciplus.com/singleItem.cfm?terms=11912cartLogFrom=Search
   Even has some colored sheets for the kids (me) to play with!  ;-)
  
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Re: Firmware 1.10

2007-04-30 Thread Bob Rapp
Bob,
The reason for the post is that using K and M series lenses on the K10D 
yield images that are generally overexposed. I have a large number of K 
lenses that I would love to use with the camera.
I was hoping the new firmware would correct or minimise the exposure 
errors.
As for now, I can only use Takumars in manual mode with an external 
light meter.
That is just a whinge - I find my sample of the 16-45 zoom to be 
outstanding.

Regards,
Bob Rapp
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Bob,
Your message appears with 30 or 40 blanks lines at the end.
Is this on purpose?
Regards, Bob S.

On 4/29/07, Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anything new with regards to exposure errors when using K and M lenses in
 manual using the green button?

 Bob
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 Subject: Re: Firmware 1.10


 Remember that the K10D's 1.10 update incited second curtain sync and
 possibly wireless remote flash issues.

 I have v1.20 installed now. Some folks on DPReview have reported
 reduced noise with it.

 Godfrey


 On Apr 29, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Bob Rapp wrote:

  Hi Andre,
  You can go the Pentax.de site and download that version. I did
  recently.
  If you have a problem, email me off list and I will supply you with
  a copy.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Bob
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Re: Capture One Pro vs.......

2007-04-30 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
This might help:
http://www.sphoto.com/techinfo/rawconverters/rawconverters.htm

On 4/30/07, Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With the availability of Capture One for the K10D it would be
 interesting to see how it stacks up against the other options eg. ACR
 3.7, ACR 4, SilkyPix and Lightroom.

 I simply love the way lightroom works and would need a very compelling
 argument to ditch it but I may consider getting something like C1Pro
 for that extra bit of edge when you really need it.

 What's the general opinion on C1Pro vs the others ?

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Re: Firmware 1.10

2007-04-30 Thread pnstenquist
I use K and M lenses regularly on my K10D. With the meter in manual mode and 
using the green button to set the shutter speed, my exposures are just fine. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Bob,
 The reason for the post is that using K and M series lenses on the K10D 
 yield images that are generally overexposed. I have a large number of K 
 lenses that I would love to use with the camera.
 I was hoping the new firmware would correct or minimise the exposure 
 errors.
 As for now, I can only use Takumars in manual mode with an external 
 light meter.
 That is just a whinge - I find my sample of the 16-45 zoom to be 
 outstanding.
 
 Regards,
 Bob Rapp
 - Original Message - 
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 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:19 PM
 Subject: Re: Firmware 1.10
 
 
 Bob,
 Your message appears with 30 or 40 blanks lines at the end.
 Is this on purpose?
 Regards, Bob S.
 
 On 4/29/07, Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anything new with regards to exposure errors when using K and M lenses in
  manual using the green button?
 
  Bob
  - Original Message -
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  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Firmware 1.10
 
 
  Remember that the K10D's 1.10 update incited second curtain sync and
  possibly wireless remote flash issues.
 
  I have v1.20 installed now. Some folks on DPReview have reported
  reduced noise with it.
 
  Godfrey
 
 
  On Apr 29, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Bob Rapp wrote:
 
   Hi Andre,
   You can go the Pentax.de site and download that version. I did
   recently.
   If you have a problem, email me off list and I will supply you with
   a copy.
  
   Cheers,
  
   Bob
   - Original Message -
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   I'd like to upgrade to firmware v1.10 instead of more recent ones.
   Anybody has it?
 
 
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RE: A Better Bounce Card, revisited.

2007-04-30 Thread Don Sanderson
Thanks Mike. ;-)

Don

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Re: Firmware 1.10

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Apr 29, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Bob Rapp wrote:

 Anything new with regards to exposure errors when using K and M  
 lenses in
 manual using the green button?

That's a good question. I might repeat the test I did some time ago.

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Re: GESO - Hot Rods in the sun

2007-04-30 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Brendan MacRae
Subject: GESO - Hot Rods in the sun



 
 http://www.primelensphoto.com/car%20show/index.html
 

Excellent gallery.

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Re: PESO: Sacred Heart in BW

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Very dramatic presentation from the angle and tonal processing. I'm  
not altogether certain that the subject warrants that much drama, but  
it's a good job technically.

Godfrey


On Apr 29, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Mark Erickson wrote:

 Got a little time to play today, so I went down to Sacred Heart  
 Church in
 East Sacramento.  The church is a really nice example of local brick
 architecture from early in the last century:

 http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/SacredHeart01bwmed.jpg

 Taken with my *ist-Ds and 21 Ltd lens.  I did a little perspective
 correction, used channel mixers to go to BW, burned the sky in a  
 fair bit,
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Re: Firmware 1.10

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Since I've never seen any of the noise problem with my K10D .. and  
evaluating grossly underexposed and misprocessed exposures intended  
to exaggerate noise seems to me a total waste of time ... I cannot  
judge what the v1.20 update does in this regard myself.

Godfrey


On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:53 PM, Rod Connan wrote:

 Sadly I think they were optimists as I took identical condition images
 before and after the update from v1.1 to v1.2 and sadly I could see no
 significant difference.

 I was actually pursuing minor VPN noise that I can only clearly  
 display IF I
 underexpose by two stops and then push 2 stops in RAW development -  
 In other
 words RIDICULOUS conditions.

 The test images are available here:
 http://rconn.zenfolio.com/p717942348/
 and all were exposed at ISO 1600

 ...
 I have v1.20 installed now. Some folks on DPReview have reported
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Re: Firmware 1.10

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My tests showed the K10D has an increasing tendency to overexpose in  
the 'Manual/green button stop-down metering' mode as the metering  
operated with the lens opening moving away from wide open. However,  
the metering error is predictable and can be adjusted for.  
Furthermore, you can use the Digital Preview with Histogram display  
to see what the camera has set and perform a correction, no need for  
a hand held meter.

So while it's inconvenient, I wouldn't say that K/M lenses are  
unusable. It just takes a bit more time and effort to use them to  
best effect.

Godfrey

On Apr 30, 2007, at 6:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I use K and M lenses regularly on my K10D. With the meter in manual  
 mode and using the green button to set the shutter speed, my  
 exposures are just fine.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The reason for the post is that using K and M series lenses on  
 the K10D
 yield images that are generally overexposed. I have a large number  
 of K
 lenses that I would love to use with the camera.
 I was hoping the new firmware would correct or minimise the  
 exposure
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Re: Adobe Lightroom, Photoshop Album or PS CS2 Bridge to organize?

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 29, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Maris V. Lidaka Sr. wrote:

 I've now transferred my CDs to 2 external hard drives for storage and
 backup and it's time to organize them.

 I have PS Album 1 now.  Your thoughts:  upgrade to Album 2.0, use  
 Photoshop
 CS2's Bridge, or buy Adobe Lightroom?  My primary need is  
 organization, as I
 use PS CS2 for image adjustment.

Lightroom.

Bridge is not an organizer and has no ability to manage data that is  
on an off-line volume. Bridge is a browser and workflow/automation  
coordinator for the Adobe Creative Suite.

Album was never available on Mac OS X anyway so that was never an  
option for me.

Lightroom works exceptionally well as the center of your photographic  
workflow. It handles import, renaming, organizing (combining into  
sets, sorting and grading, etc), metadata editing, global editing  
(cropping, rotation, tonal rendering) and limited spot correction,  
integrates beautifully with Photoshop CSx and other external editors  
for higher-level selective editing, and has excellent tools for slide  
show and print output. It also does web site output although I find  
its facilities there a little weaker than the rest.

I use it extensively, every day, and the more I use it and uncover  
its subtleties, the more I like it.

Godfrey

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Re: Self Portrait

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On 29/4/07, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I've been in the office all afternoon doing some editing and more
 textures photos, and got to fooling around, coming up with this:

 http://www.alphoto.com/images/selfport.jpg

 kind of odd.
 and so is the photo.

I like it, Doug. The photo and the joke. ;-)

A little selective tonal editing on the portrait part to enhance its  
tonal range would improve it.

Cotty rejoindered:
 I think it's about time we had a self-p gallery again !

I'm game... !

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Re: How to Clean a LCD Screen?

2007-04-30 Thread P. J. Alling
The Internet makes you stupid.

mike wilson wrote:
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 Date: 2007/04/29 Sun AM 07:52:17 GMT
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: How to Clean a LCD Screen?

 On 28/4/07, eric, discombobulated, unleashed:

 
 See the results of Windex on a Macbook - 
 http://forum.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t27618.html
   
 LOL

 cause ---  effect.
 

 Even better, champagne:
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Re: Self Portrait

2007-04-30 Thread Christian
Doug Brewer wrote:
 I've been in the office all afternoon doing some editing and more 
 textures photos, and got to fooling around, coming up with this:
 
 http://www.alphoto.com/images/selfport.jpg
 
 kind of odd.
 
 and so is the photo.
 

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Re: PESO: Sacred Heart in BW

2007-04-30 Thread Christian
Mark Erickson wrote:

 http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/SacredHeart01bwmed.jpg

nice!  Great angle and sky.


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Re: Self Portrait

2007-04-30 Thread Christian
Cotty wrote:

 
 I think it's about time we had a self-p gallery again !

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Re: Self Portrait

2007-04-30 Thread pnstenquist
That is odd. But it's also very interesting. Good one.
Paul
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From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Doug Brewer wrote:
  I've been in the office all afternoon doing some editing and more 
  textures photos, and got to fooling around, coming up with this:
  
  http://www.alphoto.com/images/selfport.jpg
  
  kind of odd.
  
  and so is the photo.
  
 
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PESO - Duuuuudes

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
A local headshop:

http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=r5DHpi2sc6

;-)

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Re: Self Portrait

2007-04-30 Thread Mark Erickson
I really like it.  It's one of the best self-portraits that I've seen in a 
while. 

 --Mark 

Doug Brewer wrote:
 I've been in the office all afternoon doing some editing and more 
 textures photos, and got to fooling around, coming up with this: 
 
 http://www.alphoto.com/images/selfport.jpg 
 
 kind of odd. 
 
 and so is the photo. 
 

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Re: How to Clean a LCD Screen?

2007-04-30 Thread graywolf
h...? Is that what happened to me? Causes neurological damage, does 
it? But, wait a minute, I do not go looking for that kind of stuff, only 
see it when someone on this list posts a link, without saying what they 
are linking to. So it must be the PDML makes you stupid. Hence you are 
all stupid. Well, I am in good company,

-graywolf grinning fiendishly


P. J. Alling wrote:
 The Internet makes you stupid.
 
 mike wilson wrote:
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/04/29 Sun AM 07:52:17 GMT
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: How to Clean a LCD Screen?

 On 28/4/07, eric, discombobulated, unleashed:

 
 See the results of Windex on a Macbook - 
 http://forum.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t27618.html
   
 LOL

 cause ---  effect.
 
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Re: Capture One Pro vs.......

2007-04-30 Thread wendy beard
Capture One is still my processor of choice. I'm extra pleased that
they have now added K10D support and downloaded the new release
yesterday.
I just have LE. Didn't see any need to splash out on Pro.

Wendy

On 4/30/07, Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: PESO - Duuuuudes

2007-04-30 Thread pnstenquist
Heavy.
Paul
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 A local headshop:
 
 http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=r5DHpi2sc6
 
 ;-)
 
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PESO - Tight Squeeze

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
Or:  I thought I had room

http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=jGGBdePISt

Comments always welcome.

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Re: PESO - Tight Squeeze

2007-04-30 Thread Jack Davis
Good catch, Frank. It actually looks like that damage is too much for
this scrape/wedge. 
Bad aim I guess. ;)

Jack
--- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: OT: When is macro macro?

2007-04-30 Thread graywolf
Macro- merely means large. So any image that is larger than normal is a 
macrophotograph. That said, usually people consider the macro range to 
be 1/5 to 5 times actual size. Some pedantic types only consider 1:1 to 
be macro. And to most advertising types it means a lens that is closer 
focusing than normal (1 meter for a 50mm). In other words it is a 
macrophoto if you call it that.

-graywolf


Jens Bladt wrote:
  I have photographed my Stanley measuring device with a
 Pentax K10D and a Tamron SP 2.5/90mm lens - at closest possible focusing
 distance; 0.39 m. Is this macro?
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/477746425/
 
 Maybe not. My sensor is 23.5mm. This image covers appr. 47mm. This means
 it's almost accurately half natural size - 50% on the sensor.
 Isn't macro photography supposed to be enlarging the subject?
 On a computer screen my 3872 pixel would look like 1366 mm. That's an
 enlarement of appr. 2900% (almost 30 times).
 But enlarging the copies (negs) is not really macro, is it?
 
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Re: Spotmatic - focusing

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/30/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A Danish guy gave me an the old Spotmatic, I wrote about some time ago.
 I really like the focusing scrreen and soft focusing coil.
 This way of focusing is brilliant - by means of a micro-prism screen/field.
 This camera must hve been way ahead of its time  - compared to Exakta's and
 such
 Especcially the Spotmatic F (must get one someday) .No wonder they were such
 a huge success.
 I wonder if I could get screens like this in my *ist D  and K10D?


Those viewfinders were a joy to behold...

:-)

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Re: PESO - Duuuuudes

2007-04-30 Thread Mat Maessen
On 4/30/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=r5DHpi2sc6

Did you take that picture on 4/20? :-)

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Re: PESO - Duuuuudes

2007-04-30 Thread Christian
frank theriault wrote:
 A local headshop:
 
 http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=r5DHpi2sc6
 
 ;-)

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Re: PESO - Tight Squeeze

2007-04-30 Thread Eactivist
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Or:  I thought  I had  room

http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=jGGBdePISt

Comments  always welcome.

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Re: PESO - Duuuuudes

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:28 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 A local headshop:

 http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=r5DHpi2sc6

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That is funny.

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Re: PESO - Tight Squeeze

2007-04-30 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault wrote:

Or:  I thought I had room

http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=jGGBdePISt

Frank, what's this gmapuploader thing? I get a blank page even if I 
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Re: PESO - Finaly

2007-04-30 Thread Tim Øsleby
Improved version online. Lifted the middle range, encreaced contrast and 
vibrance a tad or two.
Under the picture there are two thumbs. The new one is number two.
Better now?

Tim Typo
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Well done. You might push up the middle of the RGB curve a wee bit to
brighten the midrange tones.
Paul
Paul
On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:02 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 I've been hunting this for a long time. They are pretty hard to get
 close
 to.
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=306547 (at my
 good
 site)
 K10D and K-500/4,5
 Experimented a bit with lightening the background. But I decided I
 liked it
 best this way.

 Comments appreciated.

 Ok thats about it. Now I'm off to enjoy the courting of
 capercallie. Most
 likely I will spend three nights on this. I'm very exited about it.
 It is my
 first time.
 Wish me good luck


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Re: GESO - Hot Rods in the sun

2007-04-30 Thread Brendan MacRae
Thanks, William.

-Brendan
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Re: Spotmatic - focusing

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I never liked microprism focusing aids very much. The Pentax  
Spotmatic had a good viewfinder, regardless, although not quite as  
good as the Nikon F I bought in 1969, which had a type A screen as  
standard (plain matte fresnel with central split-image) and replaced  
it with an E screen almost immediately (plain matte fresnel with  
'thirds' horizontal/vertical reference scribings). That remains my  
favorite focusing surface today.

The only 35mm SLR viewfinder system that I liked more of the ones I  
had was the Nikon F3/T with hp focusing head. The K10D viewfinder  
system reminds me very much of that Nikon. I just wish I could get an  
E screen for it ... the LL-80 has too many markings for AF and such,  
seems cluttered to my eye like the LL60 for the *ist DS.

Godfrey


On Apr 30, 2007, at 4:50 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

 A Danish guy gave me an the old Spotmatic, I wrote about some time  
 ago.
 I really like the focusing scrreen and soft focusing coil.
 This way of focusing is brilliant - by means of a micro-prism  
 screen/field.
 This camera must hve been way ahead of its time  - compared to  
 Exakta's and
 such
 Especcially the Spotmatic F (must get one someday) .No wonder they  
 were such
 a huge success.
 I wonder if I could get screens like this in my *ist D  and K10D?


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Re: PESO - Tight Squeeze

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/30/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=jGGBdePISt

 Frank, what's this gmapuploader thing? I get a blank page even if I
 switch JavaScript on.

I don't know - no one else seems to be having a problem with it.

I can put this one on photo.net, I guess.

Please stand by...

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Re: Capture One Pro vs.......

2007-04-30 Thread Bruce Dayton
I have been a Capture One LE user for a couple of years and have used
Lightroom and also own Silkypix.

The two areas of Lightroom that were problematic for me were - SPEED -
Lightroom is quite resource intensive and I found the overall speed to
not be to my liking.  This is not to say that it was totally slow on
my system, but compared to alternatives, it is slow.

The other area that I don't care for in Lightroom is the heavy handed
organization that is imposes.  For many, this could be considered one
of it's best features.  For me, who shoots lots of events, weddings
and portraits, it gets in the way.  I have other programs that I use
for those duties including Breezebrowser and ExpressDigital's
Darkroom.

So what I am saying is, if speed is not an issue for you, and you like
the organizational tools, then you would be hard pressed to find a
better tool.

-- 
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Monday, April 30, 2007, 3:28:26 AM, you wrote:

PG With the availability of Capture One for the K10D it would be
PG interesting to see how it stacks up against the other options eg. ACR
PG 3.7, ACR 4, SilkyPix and Lightroom.

PG I simply love the way lightroom works and would need a very compelling
PG argument to ditch it but I may consider getting something like C1Pro
PG for that extra bit of edge when you really need it.

PG What's the general opinion on C1Pro vs the others ?

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Re: OT: When is macro macro?

2007-04-30 Thread Bob Shell

On Apr 30, 2007, at 11:56 AM, graywolf wrote:

 Macro- merely means large. So any image that is larger than normal  
 is a
 macrophotograph. That said, usually people consider the macro range to
 be 1/5 to 5 times actual size. Some pedantic types only consider  
 1:1 to
 be macro. And to most advertising types it means a lens that is closer
 focusing than normal (1 meter for a 50mm). In other words it is a
 macrophoto if you call it that.

You need to understand distinctions in technical language.  Macro  
photography is not the same as macrophotography.  A photo taken at  
close to 1:1 is a photomacrograph, not a macrophotograph.  A  
macrophotograph is a very large print.  That's technical language.   
In common parlance the terms are often all jumbled up.

Bob (Who, at 250 pounds, is a macrophotographer)

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Re: PESO: City Bird

2007-04-30 Thread Brendan MacRae
You get what you can, eh?

Good one.

-Brendan
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 another damn  
 bird:-). The DA50-200 of course.
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Re: PESO - Tight Squeeze

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/30/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I don't know - no one else seems to be having a problem with it.

 I can put this one on photo.net, I guess.

 Please stand by...

Except that I'm outta space on photo.net (my quota's way down since I
haven't been doing much until recently).  I guess I should subscribe
one of these days...

Sigh...

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Re: PESO - Duuuuudes

2007-04-30 Thread Brendan MacRae
Funny!

-Brendan
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 A local headshop:
 
 http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=r5DHpi2sc6
 
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Re: PESO - Tight Squeeze

2007-04-30 Thread Bruce Dayton
Seeing it was a taxi, it made me chuckle.

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Monday, April 30, 2007, 8:36:32 AM, you wrote:

ft Or:  I thought I had room

ft http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=jGGBdePISt

ft Comments always welcome.

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Re: PESO - Tight Squeeze

2007-04-30 Thread Brendan MacRae
Good one, Frank.

-Brendan
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 Or:  I thought I had room
 
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Re: PESO - Finaly

2007-04-30 Thread pnstenquist
I like the new version better. Well done. Excellent photo.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Improved version online. Lifted the middle range, encreaced contrast and 
 vibrance a tad or two.
 Under the picture there are two thumbs. The new one is number two.
 Better now?
 
 Tim Typo
 Mostly Harmless
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 Well done. You might push up the middle of the RGB curve a wee bit to
 brighten the midrange tones.
 Paul
 Paul
 On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:02 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
 
  I've been hunting this for a long time. They are pretty hard to get
  close
  to.
  http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=306547 (at my
  good
  site)
  K10D and K-500/4,5
  Experimented a bit with lightening the background. But I decided I
  liked it
  best this way.
 
  Comments appreciated.
 
  Ok thats about it. Now I'm off to enjoy the courting of
  capercallie. Most
  likely I will spend three nights on this. I'm very exited about it.
  It is my
  first time.
  Wish me good luck
 
 
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Re: PESO: First Tulip

2007-04-30 Thread Brendan MacRae
Ours have been out and are all wasting away now.

Nice one.

-Brendan
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Re: lightroom comments

2007-04-30 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Godfrey,

Good information.  Yes, much of my organizational comments were based
on beta.  I have run the release version but not much compared to the
beta.  A big area for me is that the ExpressDigital Darkroom product
does much the same kind of thing as Lightroom - and Darkroom handles
all of my online ordering system along with direct connection to the
lab, etc.  A much more needed tool for me than the raw converter.  So
I end up with two systems - one at each end of the workflow, wanting
to manage the data.  To date, I have used lighter weight tools on the
front end (pre-finished files) and let Darkroom do it's organization.

Based on what you have described, I may give Lightroom another go, as
the raw and editing tools I found to be very nice, indeed.

Thanks for your comments.

-- 
Bruce


Monday, April 30, 2007, 9:55:39 AM, you wrote:

GD Bruce,

GD I don't have much to offer regards Lightroom vs Capture One as I've
GD never been a C1 user nor do I plan to try it out, but I found your
GD comments on LR interesting.

GD Re: the organizational layout that Lightroom uses ...  I find it  
GD works well, I don't know that it imposes anything specific on my  
GD work ...

GD If you are relating to the Lightroom beta v4.1 notion of Shoots and
GD Collections, Lightroom v1.0 abandoned the Shoots concept and went
GD with the simpler Folders and Collections notion. Just like Bridge and
GD many other image browser utilities, Folders is a 1:1 reflection of
GD what's in your hard drive directory. If you move something around in
GD Folders, it moves it on the hard drive, and vice-versa. You can  
GD organize your hard drive however you want and simply import in place.

GD Internal to the application, I use Collections with category based
GD names to organize my work drawn from various Folders. Once I have
GD completed a particular Collection project, I export all the files in
GD it to a new directory of completed work in Photoshop or TIFF format.
GD That becomes the definitive set: I put a marker keyword in all the
GD files, force a metadata update to the files, then delete the  
GD Collection in my main LR library. I then import the finished work
GD into another LR library which contains only completed work.

GD This is very similar to what I was doing in my prior use of CS2/ 
GD Bridge/Camera Raw prior to Lightroom, and works effectively for my
GD purposes.

GD Re: speed ...

GD While any system I've found has its singular characteristics of speed
GD and bottlenecks, one thing I have noticed watching many people  
GD comment on Lightroom is that nearly all the folks (but for one) who
GD find speed of operation an issue seem to be running it on the Windows
GD OS platform. I found three things improved performance substantially
GD on Mac OS X/Power Mac G5:
GD   - turn off automatic XMP updates
GD   - pre-build standard and 1:1 previews
GD   - turn off the automatic deletion of previews

GD The first cuts down on incidental disk IO as you make edits to image
GD and/or metadata, the second and third carry an up-front processing
GD burden and also allows the previews in the library directory to  
GD become very large, but overall pose a workflow win when moving from
GD image to image in processing. How well this works for very very large
GD libraries is yet to be seen, but it seems reasonable for my current
GD libraries (I use four, with the biggest being about 50,000 files at
GD present). You can always force deletion of previews if the disk space
GD burden becomes an issue.

GD Doing these three things is producing quite reasonable performance on
GD both the PowerBook G4 1.67Ghz (single processor) with 1.5M RAM and
GD 80G hard drive as well as the Power Mac G5 2Ghz (dual processor) with
GD 3G RAM and 500G hard drive. Obviously, the latter is quite a bit  
GD faster than the former... ;-)

GD I'm sure I'll develop my workflow and data manipulation workflow  
GD further as my experience grows and LR is developed further. I'm  
GD pretty happy with it at present.

GD Godfrey





GD On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 I have been a Capture One LE user for a couple of years and have used
 Lightroom and also own Silkypix.

 The two areas of Lightroom that were problematic for me were - SPEED -
 Lightroom is quite resource intensive and I found the overall speed to
 not be to my liking.  This is not to say that it was totally slow on
 my system, but compared to alternatives, it is slow.

 The other area that I don't care for in Lightroom is the heavy handed
 organization that is imposes.  For many, this could be considered one
 of it's best features.  For me, who shoots lots of events, weddings
 and portraits, it gets in the way.  I have other programs that I use
 for those duties including Breezebrowser and ExpressDigital's
 Darkroom.

 So what I am saying is, if speed is not an issue for you, and you like
 the organizational tools, then you would be hard pressed to find a
 better tool.





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Re: lightroom comments

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Bruce,

I don't have much to offer regards Lightroom vs Capture One as I've  
never been a C1 user nor do I plan to try it out, but I found your  
comments on LR interesting.

Re: the organizational layout that Lightroom uses ...  I find it  
works well, I don't know that it imposes anything specific on my  
work ...

If you are relating to the Lightroom beta v4.1 notion of Shoots and  
Collections, Lightroom v1.0 abandoned the Shoots concept and went  
with the simpler Folders and Collections notion. Just like Bridge and  
many other image browser utilities, Folders is a 1:1 reflection of  
what's in your hard drive directory. If you move something around in  
Folders, it moves it on the hard drive, and vice-versa. You can  
organize your hard drive however you want and simply import in place.

Internal to the application, I use Collections with category based  
names to organize my work drawn from various Folders. Once I have  
completed a particular Collection project, I export all the files in  
it to a new directory of completed work in Photoshop or TIFF format.  
That becomes the definitive set: I put a marker keyword in all the  
files, force a metadata update to the files, then delete the  
Collection in my main LR library. I then import the finished work  
into another LR library which contains only completed work.

This is very similar to what I was doing in my prior use of CS2/ 
Bridge/Camera Raw prior to Lightroom, and works effectively for my  
purposes.

Re: speed ...

While any system I've found has its singular characteristics of speed  
and bottlenecks, one thing I have noticed watching many people  
comment on Lightroom is that nearly all the folks (but for one) who  
find speed of operation an issue seem to be running it on the Windows  
OS platform. I found three things improved performance substantially  
on Mac OS X/Power Mac G5:
  - turn off automatic XMP updates
  - pre-build standard and 1:1 previews
  - turn off the automatic deletion of previews

The first cuts down on incidental disk IO as you make edits to image  
and/or metadata, the second and third carry an up-front processing  
burden and also allows the previews in the library directory to  
become very large, but overall pose a workflow win when moving from  
image to image in processing. How well this works for very very large  
libraries is yet to be seen, but it seems reasonable for my current  
libraries (I use four, with the biggest being about 50,000 files at  
present). You can always force deletion of previews if the disk space  
burden becomes an issue.

Doing these three things is producing quite reasonable performance on  
both the PowerBook G4 1.67Ghz (single processor) with 1.5M RAM and  
80G hard drive as well as the Power Mac G5 2Ghz (dual processor) with  
3G RAM and 500G hard drive. Obviously, the latter is quite a bit  
faster than the former... ;-)

I'm sure I'll develop my workflow and data manipulation workflow  
further as my experience grows and LR is developed further. I'm  
pretty happy with it at present.

Godfrey





On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 I have been a Capture One LE user for a couple of years and have used
 Lightroom and also own Silkypix.

 The two areas of Lightroom that were problematic for me were - SPEED -
 Lightroom is quite resource intensive and I found the overall speed to
 not be to my liking.  This is not to say that it was totally slow on
 my system, but compared to alternatives, it is slow.

 The other area that I don't care for in Lightroom is the heavy handed
 organization that is imposes.  For many, this could be considered one
 of it's best features.  For me, who shoots lots of events, weddings
 and portraits, it gets in the way.  I have other programs that I use
 for those duties including Breezebrowser and ExpressDigital's
 Darkroom.

 So what I am saying is, if speed is not an issue for you, and you like
 the organizational tools, then you would be hard pressed to find a
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Re: PESO - Tight Squeeze

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=jGGBdePISt

 Frank, what's this gmapuploader thing? I get a blank page even if I
 switch JavaScript on.

Juan told us about it a week or so back:

On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:52 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:
 I think this is a very neat way to show full res images on a list like
 this, giving people the chance to see full detail but making it
 relatively hard to download the full file:

 http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=nBRt2KWIsZ
 (javascript required)

 The photo is one known by some of you--Seattle, 2005 - istD, FA35/2

 Go to http://gmapuploader.com if you want to try it yourself.

 j

I haven't tried it yet. Seems to work fine for me in Safari and  
FireFox on Mac OS X 10.4.9, however.

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Re: PESO: First Tulip

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/29/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A beautiful spring day in Michigan. My tulips are popping out all
 over. Grace is pleased.
 Paul
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5910081

Lovely photo, Paul.

:-)

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Re: PESO - Finaly

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/28/07, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been hunting this for a long time. They are pretty hard to get close
 to.
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=306547 (at my good
 site)
 K10D and K-500/4,5
 Experimented a bit with lightening the background. But I decided I liked it
 best this way.


Caught mid-stride.

Excellent!

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Re: PESO: Sacred Heart in BW

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/30/07, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a little time to play today, so I went down to Sacred Heart Church in
 East Sacramento.  The church is a really nice example of local brick
 architecture from early in the last century:

 http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/SacredHeart01bwmed.jpg

 Taken with my *ist-Ds and 21 Ltd lens.  I did a little perspective
 correction, used channel mixers to go to BW, burned the sky in a fair bit,
 and finished off with my digital lith process.

 Comments?


Great conversion, wonderful shot.  Very powerful.

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Re: GESO - Hot Rods in the sun

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/30/07, Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here's a few from a car show that I just happened to
 attend over the weekend downtown. I didn't know it was
 happening ahead of time but saw it from the freeway on
 another errand and went back to grab my gear.

 These are not shots for typical motorheads. I've been
 to quite a few shows and you can almost never get a
 good full car shot. So, I go a different way and shoot
 the details instead.

 All of these were captured via the K10D and the 31
 Ltd. I thought I had used the 20mm, too, but I guess
 not according to the EXIF. They are pretty much right
 out of the camera. I have cropped one shot and fixed
 dust in two...haven't touched the rest...yet. I
 apologize ahead of time if the verts are too tall on
 some monitors. BTW, I shot these AFTER shooting nearly
 three full rolls of 220 fuji and kodak color trans
 with the 67II.

 http://www.primelensphoto.com/car%20show/index.html


With paintjobs like that, you need a sunny day.

Terrific stuff.

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Re: lightroom comments

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Glad to be of help.

 From that description, it seems like exporting your finished work to  
a 'completed' directory tree as I do and then letting ExpressDigital  
Darkroom do its thing with that could work well, complementing the  
original exposure import and editing workflow.

I find it important to separate my finished work from work in  
progress this way. I always want to be able to return to the exact  
file that made a print when I fulfill a subsequent print order and  
not risk having modified it further inadvertently.

Sometimes being a photographer makes photography so much more  
business management than it is making photographs... !

Godfrey

On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 Hello Godfrey,

 Good information.  Yes, much of my organizational comments were based
 on beta.  I have run the release version but not much compared to the
 beta.  A big area for me is that the ExpressDigital Darkroom product
 does much the same kind of thing as Lightroom - and Darkroom handles
 all of my online ordering system along with direct connection to the
 lab, etc.  A much more needed tool for me than the raw converter.  So
 I end up with two systems - one at each end of the workflow, wanting
 to manage the data.  To date, I have used lighter weight tools on the
 front end (pre-finished files) and let Darkroom do it's organization.

 Based on what you have described, I may give Lightroom another go, as
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Re: Self Portrait

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/30/07, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I really like it.  It's one of the best self-portraits that I've seen in a
 while.

I agree with Mark.

Really.

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OT - the sun

2007-04-30 Thread Scott Loveless
Would someone in the UK kindly ring the Sun and tell them to update the page3 
photos?  They've had the same one on their home page for three days straight 
and I can't take it anymore.

Links omitted for obvious reasons.

VBG

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Re: PESO: First Tulip

2007-04-30 Thread Jack Davis
As happens so many times, I missed your original post.
Well named exceedingly well rendered shot, Paul.

Jack
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 On 4/29/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A beautiful spring day in Michigan. My tulips are popping out all
  over. Grace is pleased.
  Paul
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5910081
 
 Lovely photo, Paul.
 
 :-)
 
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Re: PESO: First Tulip

2007-04-30 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Jack. 
 -- Original message --
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 As happens so many times, I missed your original post.
 Well named exceedingly well rendered shot, Paul.
 
 Jack
 --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
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   A beautiful spring day in Michigan. My tulips are popping out all
   over. Grace is pleased.
   Paul
   http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5910081
  
  Lovely photo, Paul.
  
  :-)
  
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Re: PESO: Mr. Downey

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/30/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cotty, being predictable is not always a good idea...

Cotty?

Predictable?

I don't think so...

;-)

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Re: PESO: First Tulip

2007-04-30 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Frank. How lovely of you to say that:-)).
Paul
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From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 4/29/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A beautiful spring day in Michigan. My tulips are popping out all
  over. Grace is pleased.
  Paul
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5910081
 
 Lovely photo, Paul.
 
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Re: PAW 2007 - 21 - GDG

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/28/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Was in San Francisco early this morning, climbed the hill to Twin
 Peaks and captured this view ...

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/21.htm

 Comments and critique always appreciated.

Absolutely gorgeous.

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Re: OT - the sun

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
http://www.thesun.co.uk/section/0,,1,00.html

What is it about The Fertilizer Five that distresses you so?

G

On Apr 30, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:

 Would someone in the UK kindly ring the Sun and tell them to update  
 the page3 photos?  They've had the same one on their home page for  
 three days straight and I can't take it anymore.

 Links omitted for obvious reasons.

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Re: Adobe Lightroom, Photoshop Album or PS CS2 Bridge to organize?

2007-04-30 Thread John Francis

Don't forget today is the last day for the $199 lightroom pricing

On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 06:57:34AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Apr 29, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Maris V. Lidaka Sr. wrote:
 
  I've now transferred my CDs to 2 external hard drives for storage and
  backup and it's time to organize them.
 
  I have PS Album 1 now.  Your thoughts:  upgrade to Album 2.0, use  
  Photoshop
  CS2's Bridge, or buy Adobe Lightroom?  My primary need is  
  organization, as I
  use PS CS2 for image adjustment.
 
 Lightroom.
 
 Bridge is not an organizer and has no ability to manage data that is  
 on an off-line volume. Bridge is a browser and workflow/automation  
 coordinator for the Adobe Creative Suite.
 
 Album was never available on Mac OS X anyway so that was never an  
 option for me.
 
 Lightroom works exceptionally well as the center of your photographic  
 workflow. It handles import, renaming, organizing (combining into  
 sets, sorting and grading, etc), metadata editing, global editing  
 (cropping, rotation, tonal rendering) and limited spot correction,  
 integrates beautifully with Photoshop CSx and other external editors  
 for higher-level selective editing, and has excellent tools for slide  
 show and print output. It also does web site output although I find  
 its facilities there a little weaker than the rest.
 
 I use it extensively, every day, and the more I use it and uncover  
 its subtleties, the more I like it.
 
 Godfrey
 
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RE: How to Clean a LCD Screen?

2007-04-30 Thread Bob W
'pdml' is an anagram of 'stupid', as eny crossword-doer kno.

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 -Original Message-
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 Sent: 30 April 2007 16:42
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 Subject: Re: How to Clean a LCD Screen?
 
 h...? Is that what happened to me? Causes neurological 
 damage, does 
 it? But, wait a minute, I do not go looking for that kind of 
 stuff, only 
 see it when someone on this list posts a link, without saying 
 what they 
 are linking to. So it must be the PDML makes you stupid. 
 Hence you are 
 all stupid. Well, I am in good company,
 
 -graywolf grinning fiendishly
 
 
 P. J. Alling wrote:
  The Internet makes you stupid.
  
  mike wilson wrote:
  From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2007/04/29 Sun AM 07:52:17 GMT
  To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
  Subject: Re: How to Clean a LCD Screen?
 
  On 28/4/07, eric, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
  
  See the results of Windex on a Macbook - 
  http://forum.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t27618.html

  LOL
 
  cause ---  effect.
  
  Even better, champagne:
  http://forum.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t48176.html
  Not exactly family viewing
 
 
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RE: How to Clean a LCD Screen?

2007-04-30 Thread Bob W
  
  See the results of Windex on a Macbook - 
  http://forum.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t27618.html
  
  LOL
  
  cause ---  effect.
 
 Even better, champagne:
 http://forum.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t48176.html
 Not exactly family viewing
 

he should have bought a PC. Windows users can't get one girlfriend,
let alone two.

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Re: lightroom comments

2007-04-30 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi Godders,

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:55:39 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 I found three things improved performance substantially  
on Mac OS X/Power Mac G5:
  - turn off automatic XMP updates
  - pre-build standard and 1:1 previews
  - turn off the automatic deletion of previews

I have those setting now too.

At one point I did enable 'automatic XMP' updates and I experienced
quite slow responses, perhaps mostly due to 'touching' DNG's that
had been changed before and got the XMP info updated but
quite annoying anyway.

However, I guess it does mean that I need to 'export' DNG's if I want 
to use them elsewhere and retain any settings right ?

Have you done that sofar, or are you just using that single system ?


Just copying the DNG from the filesystem woyld be the version as 
original imported by Lightroom I guess (converted from camera PEF).

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Re: Adobe Lightroom, Photoshop Album or PS CS2 Bridge to organize?

2007-04-30 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.
Yes, I know.  I've downloaded the trial version and will work with it this 
afternoon - then order this evening if it's what I want.

Thanks,

Maris

John Francis wrote:
 Don't forget today is the last day for the $199 lightroom pricing

 On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 06:57:34AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Apr 29, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Maris V. Lidaka Sr. wrote: 


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Re: OT - the sun

2007-04-30 Thread Brendan MacRae
Gee, I don't know, I could sure take three full days
of that...and themsome!

-Brendan
--- Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Would someone in the UK kindly ring the Sun and tell
 them to update the page3 photos?  They've had the
 same one on their home page for three days straight
 and I can't take it anymore.
 
 Links omitted for obvious reasons.
 
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Re: How to Clean a LCD Screen?

2007-04-30 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Bob W
Subject: RE: How to Clean a LCD Screen?



 he should have bought a PC. Windows users can't get one girlfriend,
 let alone two.

Thats not the problem. The problem is the updates are too frequent, and it 
is almost impossible to get two girlfriends to operate properly in the same 
environment.

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Re: lightroom comments

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Jan van Wijk wrote:

 I found three things improved performance substantially
 on Mac OS X/Power Mac G5:
  - turn off automatic XMP updates
  - pre-build standard and 1:1 previews
  - turn off the automatic deletion of previews

 I have those setting now too.

 At one point I did enable 'automatic XMP' updates and I experienced
 quite slow responses, perhaps mostly due to 'touching' DNG's that
 had been changed before and got the XMP info updated but
 quite annoying anyway.

When you enable Automatic XMP updating, Lightroom will run through  
and touch every file in the library, updating the metadata with any  
and all changes. After that, LR will constantly synchronize metadata  
from its database to the actual files. Whether you're adding  
keywords, cropping, doing tonal adjustments, etc, all of these  
changes are stored in the metadata as you go along so it gets into  
quite a bit of library to file back and forth.

 However, I guess it does mean that I need to 'export' DNG's if I want
 to use them elsewhere and retain any settings right ?

If you have the Automatic XMP updating turned off and want to access  
those same files in place, say with Bridge and ACR, go to the folder  
you want to edit in, select Library/Grid mode, select all the files,  
and choose the Metadata-XMP-Export XMP Metadata To Files command.  
Lightroom will force all the metadata to be updated. You can then  
quit Lightroom and open a view on that folder with Bridge. Both  
Bridge and Camera Raw 2.7 will read and interpret the metadata  
properly. If you make changes on files in that folder with Bridge and  
Camera Raw, when you restart Lightroom and go to that folder, select  
all the files and use the complementary 'Import XMP Metadata From  
Files' command (same submenu). That will refresh LR's database with  
the latest settings.

You should also do this if you have the same folders in two different  
Lightroom libraries.

For other applications beyond Bridge/Camera Raw/Photoshop, the same  
thing will apply. You can always Export a DNG too: Lightroom will  
embed all the current metadata settings at the time of export unless  
you turn off metadata embedding.

 Have you done that sofar, or are you just using that single system ?

I do combinations of the above as I occasionally use Bridge to run  
some scripted outputting, but generally have my files organized in  
the file system such that they are in separate Lightroom libraries so  
I don't get into the which set of Lightroom edits is the correct,  
current one.

 Just copying the DNG from the filesystem woyld be the version as
 original imported by Lightroom I guess (converted from camera PEF).

Yes, unless you have forced a metadata export as above.

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Re: GESO - Hot Rods in the sun

2007-04-30 Thread Brendan MacRae
Thanks, Frank.

The sun was great but, unfortunately, the air was full
of pollen which ruined many a shot as most of the cars
were covered in it.

;-[

-Brendan
--- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/30/07, Brendan MacRae
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here's a few from a car show that I just happened
 to
  attend over the weekend downtown. I didn't know it
 was
  happening ahead of time but saw it from the
 freeway on
  another errand and went back to grab my gear.
 
  These are not shots for typical motorheads. I've
 been
  to quite a few shows and you can almost never get
 a
  good full car shot. So, I go a different way and
 shoot
  the details instead.
 
  All of these were captured via the K10D and the 31
  Ltd. I thought I had used the 20mm, too, but I
 guess
  not according to the EXIF. They are pretty much
 right
  out of the camera. I have cropped one shot and
 fixed
  dust in two...haven't touched the rest...yet. I
  apologize ahead of time if the verts are too tall
 on
  some monitors. BTW, I shot these AFTER shooting
 nearly
  three full rolls of 220 fuji and kodak color trans
  with the 67II.
 
 
 http://www.primelensphoto.com/car%20show/index.html
 
 
 With paintjobs like that, you need a sunny day.
 
 Terrific stuff.
 
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Re: GESO - Krystal

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/28/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I recently had to replace the seat on my single-speed and found one
 which is designed specifically to support the rider on the sit
 bones.  A couple of minutes sitting on a gel pad provided a
 measurement to determine the correct seat size.

 My sit bones also have very little natural padding and I find the new
 seat quite comfortable, but I'm finding myself mostly out-of-the-
 saddle when I'm riding seriously (and I don't mean falling off or
 walking!).

I knew there was an advantage to my having a fat ass...

;-)

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Re: PESO: Not My House

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/29/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://cwaters.smugmug.com/photos/147840234-L-1.jpg

 I think this link should work.

 It's a photo from yesterday.  I think it's been re-sized and jpegged a
 couple times by software so it looks a little different than the RAW but eh,
 so what.


LOL!

Good grab, Corey.

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Re: lightroom comments

2007-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
 ... Bridge and Camera Raw 2.7 will read and interpret the  
 metadata  ...

Error correction: Camera Raw 3.7 if you're following this thread. No  
such thing as Camera Raw 2.7. ;-)

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Re: lightroom comments

2007-04-30 Thread Jan van Wijk
OK, thanks Godders,

Had not found the import/export for XMP data yet ...

I don't have Bridge/CS on the MAC yet, but looking forward
to CS3 that should arrive sometime next week.

I do miss having photoshop arround for tweaking some of the 
images a bit more than Lightroom allows, that is why I enabled
that auto XMP updating at some point.
(I have CS2 on another, Windows system)

Sofar, LR is sufficient for at least 95% of the images and I must
say I really love the amount of control that you have with the
RAW conversion in the develop module!

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:53:23 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

If you have the Automatic XMP updating turned off and want to access  
those same files in place, say with Bridge and ACR, go to the folder  
you want to edit in, select Library/Grid mode, select all the files,  
and choose the Metadata-XMP-Export XMP Metadata To Files command.  
Lightroom will force all the metadata to be updated. You can then  
quit Lightroom and open a view on that folder with Bridge. Both  
Bridge and Camera Raw 2.7 will read and interpret the metadata  
properly. If you make changes on files in that folder with Bridge and  
Camera Raw, when you restart Lightroom and go to that folder, select  
all the files and use the complementary 'Import XMP Metadata From  
Files' command (same submenu). That will refresh LR's database with  
the latest settings.

Makes sense, thanks again!

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Re: Sacred Heart in BW

2007-04-30 Thread Kenneth Waller
Nice capture, but I have a few nits - as nice as the sky is I'd crop out 
about half the distance from the top of the building to the top edge. I'd 
also eliminate the light pole on the RH edge.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: PESO: Sacred Heart in BW


 Got a little time to play today, so I went down to Sacred Heart Church in
 East Sacramento.  The church is a really nice example of local brick
 architecture from early in the last century:

 http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/SacredHeart01bwmed.jpg

 Taken with my *ist-Ds and 21 Ltd lens.  I did a little perspective
 correction, used channel mixers to go to BW, burned the sky in a fair 
 bit,
 and finished off with my digital lith process.

 Comments?

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Re: PESO 2007 - 20a - GDG

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/23/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another from my walk in the park this past Saturday, adding to the
 Tree collection I've been building:

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/20a.htm

 Comments, critique, and a wet blanket always appreciated. No flames
 please: the trees get upset.


I can't explain why, but I like it a lot.

As others have said, it's technically brilliant, but there's something
more to it than that.

There's something almost transcendental to it (does that make sense?).
 It's like an Ansel Adams print - there's a beauty to it that simply
goes beyond the actual content of the photo (again, I know I'm not
expressing myself well - I guess I don't do artspeak).

Great shot, Godfrey.

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Re: A conversation yesterday

2007-04-30 Thread frank theriault
On 4/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 An exchange started yesterday at the Southern Maryland Celtic Festival,
 by someone who saw me photographing the band that performed after us
 with my K2:

 You can't beat that Pentax.

 [After checking which camera I was using]  Well, I suppose, depending
 on your tastes, you might beat it with a different Pentax.  Or,
 depending on your tastes, you might not.

 Yeah.  They're great cameras.  I have an LX.

 Whoops.  I'd forgotten about the LX.  Yup, you can beat the K2 with
 another Pentax even if you really like the K2 ...


 (I also had a conversation with a couple of much younger fans,
 when they saw the cameras I was using.  They were intrigued by
 the Holga, though quite reasonably more attracted to the Pentax
 K2 (I had also brought the Program Plus and PZ-10); one said
 she'd gotten a Canon AE-1 specifically for a photography class.
 I wish I'd brought an S3 with me ... I did pull out the Argus
 'brick' that I'd brought along but not used, for a bit of show
 and tell.)



 I shot 125 frames on my digital camera yesterday.  Plus eight
 rolls of film and finishing off two more rolls that were already
 loaded when I started.  I'd started the day thinking I was
 probably too tired to do a lot of shooting and might need a
 nap before our performance ... but there was so much to shoot
 even though I didn't wander too far from our stage most of the
 day.  (Okay, a lot of that was trying to catch other performers
 in different postures / with different expressions / from different
 angles.)

I sure as hell get much more conversation from strangers about my
older Pentaxes - Not so much the LXen, but the MX and the Spotties -
than I do with the *istD.

The little Leica CL gets more yet (when it's noticed), but the
sure-fire attention-getter of my arsenal (such as it is) is my Yashica
Mat.  There just aren't a lot of people out there shooting with
anything that looks like a tlr anymore...

;-)

Sounds like you had fun with your cameras, Glenn!

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