Re: Samsung GX-10 [was: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...]

[Thibouille]

Yes only DNG.
It produces JPEG more Canon-like IMO and may (not sure) have its
exposure more Canon-like as well.

The shape is a bit different as well and the menu IMO is way better
than the Pentax verion.

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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Cotty]

On 21/5/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? I've  
>got an electronic calculator here that's nearly 30 years old and  
>still working perfectly.

Fair point. Lens is allegedly sealed against dust and moisture, so if
anything should promote longevity.

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Re: Don't want to sound too "censoristic" but...

[Cotty]

On 21/5/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Yeah, you're right. It's a Ford with a retooled Buick engine circa 1963.

Hey, my my defender BMW feels your pain!

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Re: RE: Way, Way OT: Help! Need Myths

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/05/21 Mon PM 09:19:06 GMT
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Subject: RE: Way, Way OT: Help! Need Myths
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of mike wilson
> > Sent: 21 May 2007 21:59
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: Way, Way OT: Help! Need Myths
> > 
> > Bob W wrote:
> > > No, but I know a man who has!
> > > 
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/6655207.stm
> > > 
> > > --
> > >  Bob
> > 
> > You know two.
> > 
> 
> ?

I met him in late '73(ish) during a SF art convention.  I have to say that 
Patrick Moore made a bigger (ahem) impression on me. LR struck me as just 
someone who wanted to dominate conversations without having anything 
substantial (or, indeed, coherent) to say.

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Re: PESO: Visitor to My Coffee House

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/05/21 Mon PM 09:16:19 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Visitor to My Coffee House
> 
> How do you know it's a fella, I've never been able to "sex" a dragon fly...

The reproduction-enabling appendages sticking out of the end.  The female's are 
not as clearly visible as the ones in the picture.

> 
> Bob Blakely wrote:
> > This little fella decided to rest on the stucco wall of my favorite coffee 
> > house.
> >
> > http://www.bob.blakely.com/Visitor.JPG
> >
> > Taken using my ever ready Optio 550.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob Blakely
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> -- 
> All dogs have four legs; my cat has four legs. Therefore, my cat is a dog.
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? 

I've just binned a Sony V6000 camcorder. About 12 years old, but hardly
used. Optically and mechanically like new. The problem: dozens of
leaking electrolytic capacitors. The phenomenon is known. Affects all
V5000 and V6000 sooner or later. Canon users report the same trouble
with their former top-of-line EX-1.

My Philips FM1000 vhf transceiver doesn't let me program new receive
frequencies. Transmit yes, but not receive. Hasn't been dunked, either.

Just two examples of electronics failing.

Ralf

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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I suspect the electronics will die before anything else.

I have three Pentax P50 whose shutter release buttons have gone erratic
and I've recently returned a Super A that I had just bought on ebay for
the same reason. 

Ralf

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Re: OT: Need help with my homework again

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 2007/05/21 Mon PM 09:39:04 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: OT: Need help with my homework again
> 
> The list rocks! John Francis' myth suggestion made the final cut. It's a two 
> page ad on sequential pages. The head line reads:
> 
> Some medical experts once believed that travelling at over 40 mph wold make 
> it impossible to breathe.
> 
> Some media experts still don't know three million new car buyers can be found 
> at AutoTrader.com.
> 
> 
> Now I need a car photo. I'm looking for one of those very early pics taken 
> with the sliding shutter that distored the wheels to an oblong shape and made 
> the car lean forward. I just need a web image for now. I'm trying to find 
> one, but I figure someone here might know where to look. This is just one ad 
> of about a dozen that I'm doing for the pitch, so my attention is seriously 
> divided. A hint wold be great.

If nobody has replied by now, search for "Lartigue".


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RE: Need help with my homework again

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/05/21 Mon PM 10:53:58 GMT
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Subject: RE: Need help with my homework again
> 
> Hint: J H Lartigue
> 
> http://arts.guardian.co.uk/pictures/image/0,8543,-10404954434,00.html
> 
> ...although the wheels aren't oblong. Don't know what kind of
> distortion would do that!
> 
> --
>  Bob

It's not distortion of the lens type, it's an effect of the focal plane shutter 
working in slit mode.  As the slit crosses the frame, the wheel moves forward, 
giving the oval shape.  It's just fortuitous (or maybe a result of this photo 
in particular) that the direction it leans is the one usually depicted 
graphically to indicate speed.
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 21 May 2007 22:39
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: OT: Need help with my homework again
> > 
> > The list rocks! John Francis' myth suggestion made the final 
> > cut. It's a two page ad on sequential pages. The head line reads:
> > 
> > Some medical experts once believed that travelling at over 40 
> > mph wold make it impossible to breathe.
> > 
> > Some media experts still don't know three million new car 
> > buyers can be found at AutoTrader.com.
> > 
> > 
> > Now I need a car photo. I'm looking for one of those very 
> > early pics taken with the sliding shutter that distored the 
> > wheels to an oblong shape and made the car lean forward. I 
> > just need a web image for now. I'm trying to find one, but I 
> > figure someone here might know where to look. This is just 
> > one ad of about a dozen that I'm doing for the pitch, so my 
> > attention is seriously divided. A hint wold be great.
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Re: RE: Help! Need Myths

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/05/21 Mon PM 11:01:05 GMT
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Subject: RE: Help! Need Myths
> 
> > >>Do any photography this morning?
> > >>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 'fraid not - getting to work took precedence over hot news, 
> > but there
> > > have been some interesting videos and pictures on the BBC - quite
> an
> > > impressive blaze. Been to have a look this evening, but there's
> > > nothing much too see though. It's been behind hordings for a few
> > > weeks, and is still behind them. Smells a bit though.
> > > 
> > > Bob
> > > 
> > > 
> > Very sad news.  Luckily, most of the superstructure is not 
> > there at the 
> > moment and the hull timbers are very substantial.  Just hope the
> iron 
> > framework is not deformed.
> > 
> 
> I suspect most of the spectacular flames were from the framework that
> had been built above it, rather like kindling.
> 
>
Looking at the pictures this morning, that doesn't seem to be the case. 8-(((


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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/05/21 Mon PM 11:18:04 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Cotty wrote:
> 
> > The Canon lenses will still be working in 3 years - dunno about 6.
> > Electronic AF and AE (and IS inside one lens) mean that there's a  
> > lot to
> > go wrong. I suspect the electronics will die before anything else.
> 
> Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? I've  
> got an electronic calculator here that's nearly 30 years old and  
> still working perfectly.

What Cotty said is possibly badly worded but it is true that when/if the 
electronics (i.e. the custom programmed processor chips) die they are gone.  
Pretty much anything mechanical can be restored.  Unless you have access to the 
source code for the custom chip you are stuffed if you cannot find a 
replacement.


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Re: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Sandy Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/05/22 Tue AM 06:24:52 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
> 
> On 5/22/07, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Someone does make an M42 mount body. Or at least they did until fim
> > died. It might have been Bessa Voigtlander. Not sure.
> 
> Yes,
> > Does Zenit still make one? M42 Russian lenses are widely available, new
> > I believe.
> 
> Yes. Here's a Russian vendor with lots of current production products.
> Zenit bodies and both Pentax screw mount and K-mount lenses.
> 
> http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/pentax_cameras_lenses.htm
> 
> Anyone tried their 16/2.8 on Pentax digitals?

Anyone not? 8-)

Try searching the archive.


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Re: OT Indulge me? (PS speed tests)

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Peter Fairweather" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/05/22 Tue AM 06:46:02 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: OT Indulge me? (PS speed tests)
> 
> It makes a nice change to see someone trying to measure real life
> computing speed with a package I actually use.
> 
> In the UK the magazine tests involve games I've never heard of. Having
> thankfully missed out on versions 1 - 26 of "Doom" or whatever, the
> fact that Doom 27 can be run at even higher resolution with quicker
> frame rates is of no interest to me.
> 
> Try moving the cursor in a line of text in Word from the beginning to
> the end using the arrow key. This process hasn't speeded up for
> decades, yet moving the cursor around is something I do all the time.

That speed is settable from control panel.

> 
> How long does the latest version of Word or Excel take to load? How
> long does the machine take to boot up? By these tests, computing is
> slowing down.

Certainly is.  I didn't time it but recently used a 486 66MHz/Word 2 
combination.  Started quicker, saved quicker than an XP/Word 2003 combination.  
But with a 200mb HDD, 8mb Ram, etc it was severely limited in other ways.

> 
> On a positive note I have noticed the CS3 loads up quicker than CS, so
> well done Adobe.

About time.  Adobe is one of the worst offenders.

> 
> Rant over
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> On 22/05/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 10:06 AM 22/05/2007, Mark Cassino wrote:
> > >Paul wrote:
> > > > What are you using to measure the speeds?
> > >
> > >Wrist watch. :-)
> >
> > Stop watch on my wrist watch :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave
> >
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Re: Need help with my homework again

[Paul Stenquist]

Yeah, I didn't have much luck with Google. Thus, the plea here.
Paul
On May 21, 2007, at 10:26 PM, graywolf wrote:

> LOL!
>
> Must have been before digital, I did a google for "old racing  
> photo" and got a bunch of hits from the 70's and 80's.
>
> Look for stuff from 1900 to 1920 or there abouts. I remember  
> history of auto racing type books having lots of them, but that was  
> back in the 1950's.
>
>
>
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Thanks to all who responded. The Lartigue photo is the one I was
>> thinking off, but I had forgotten it was only half a car. I think
>> I've seen a full profile that shows this effect as well. Perhaps in
>> the Kodak photography book. I'll have to look for it.
>> Paul
>> On May 21, 2007, at 9:17 PM, graywolf wrote:
>>
>>> 5x7 camera with a slow vertical focal plane shutter. That kind of
>>> distortion was so prevalent that by the 30's it had become a
>>> cartoon stereotype to indicate speed. Panning the camera is what is
>>> causing the people in the background to tilt the other way.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob W wrote:
 Hint: J H Lartigue

 http://arts.guardian.co.uk/pictures/image/ 
 0,8543,-10404954434,00.html

 ...although the wheels aren't oblong. Don't know what kind of
 distortion would do that!
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Re: GESO: What I did this weekend

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice pics. Beautiful girl. Congratulations, dad!
Paul
On May 22, 2007, at 12:44 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Here's what we did this weekend...
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Graduation
> She's our youngest.
> Regards,  Bob S.
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PESO: Paul Stenquest Responds to Pentax Merger

[Walter Hamler]

Who's this Paul Stenquest guy. Must be a Norwegian. Paul Stenquist is a 
Swede:-).
POaul



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Re: Don't want to sound too "censoristic" but...

[Tim Øsleby]

I have one very speculative scenario.

Let us say that Hoya are not as strong as they seem to be, and are in need 
of money on a longer term. Let us say that they see the giant Samsung as a 
way to get some long term investments. We know that Samsung has invested in 
K-mount. Whats the logic thing to do then?
The answer could be to shake up Pentax, and then buy them. Why? Because then 
Samsung will protect their interests in the K-mount. How? By throwing money 
at Hoya Pentax.
We could say that Hoya are playing with Samsungs balls now ;-)

As I said. This is a very speculative theory. But it does make Samsung a 
player.


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As long as we're speculating ...

On 5/22/07, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hoya has probably (we don't know this for a fact) said something about the
> image division not being very strong, because they have to go outside the
> company for electronics. ...

So could Samsung be a player in this? They're certainly strong enough
in electronics (biggest RAM manufacturer on Earth last time I saw the
numbers, lots of other chip-level products including complex ones like
Alpha processors) and they have an interest; many (all?) of their
cameras are re-badged Pentax designs.

Having Hoya wipe out that division, if that is their plan, might really hurt
Samsung. Would Samsung buy it instead?

I think Samsung are big enough to buy the Pentax camera division out
of petty cash, or to buy all of Hoya if they really wanted to.

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GFM bed check

[cbwaters]

I want to be sure how much lodging space and gear I'm supposed to bring.
I have PDML-West rolling up and I'm sure I have Cesar and Ann booked.  I was 
brining a tent too but now that Marney isn't coming, I'm not sure if it's 
needed.
So... um... if you thought I was bringing you a place to stay, of if you'd 
like me to, let me know.
I suppose I should get that tent out and see if it's all still there anyway 
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[John Forbes]

On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:29:11 +0100, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>> On 21/05/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I'm just tired of all those who spend so much time watching the sky
>> > to see if it's falling. If I were inclined to dump my Pentax gear, I
>> > would do it now. But I'm not going to. It works quite well, thank
>> > you. A yawn is appropriate.
>>
>> Rob Studdert wrote:
>>
>> It's not really, this is a conversation about Pentax on a Pentax
>> discussion list. Try to exercise just a little empathy, granted
>> Pentax's future is not entirely clear at the moment. However consider
>> for just a moment that some others here may not be made of money and
>> may have had to save and sacrifice to buy into the Pentax system and
>> as such are simply concerned that it may not have a future. Surely
>> scenarios are worth discussion.
>
> Remember Rob.  This is America, where one has the freedom to suppress
> other's freedom of speech if they don't like it.  And the one who shouts
> longest and hardest wins.
>
> It is a Pentax list and Pentax is being discussed.  Nobody has ever
> suggested dumping Pentax gear except the guys that are also saying  
> they're
> not going to dump it.
>
> I wasn't ever going to say this, but I guess I will now.  For all those  
> that
> have been ridiculing the so-called Chicken Littles on the list who are
> supposedly claiming the sky is falling by discussing Pentax's financial
> condition in comparison with the industry...
>
> Well, guess what? The sky IS falling.  Two or more years ago those taunts
> were voiced when Herb (who has in depth knowledge of the camera industry
> financials), Rob Studdert, and myself were discussing Pentax's future.

Tom,

Neither you nor Herb had or have the slightest idea what you are talking  
about.

Pentax is in better shape now than it was two years ago.  What has changed  
is that it has a major shareholder that owns enough shares to call the  
shots.  And that major shareholder has no interest in cameras, it just  
wants to make money.  It believes that it is in its best interests to sell  
its shares to Hoya now for 770 yen than to hang on to them and see whether  
the Pentax board can do better.

What will happen when Hoya buys the business is anybody's guess, but you  
can bet that it's not telling until after the deal is done.

My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung  
(subject to the deal going through, of course), but that's just a guess,  
like everything else that has been said on this subject.

John

> At
> that time we suggested the outlook wasn't good and if things didn't  
> change,
> Pentax was possibly headed the same way as companies like Contax, Ricoh,  
> or
> Minolta. We suggested that they good possibly either cease to exist or  
> that
> they may be acquired or taken over.  None of us knew what was going to
> happen and none of us outright predicted what would happen. There was no
> prescience.
>
> So a scenario quite similar to what we were talking about two years ago  
> is
> now taking place, has been in progress for the last 6 months or so, and  
> is
> in the front page Japanese financial news.  And what's happening? There's
> still folks on this list that are spouting the same "Chicken Little",  
> "Sky
> is falling" rhetoric as they were two years ago (hoping to sqaush
> discussion) before Pentax penned a deal with Samsung, and before rumors  
> and
> news of a Hoya/Pentax merger.
>
> I rest my case.
>
> Tom C.
>
>
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Re: GFM bed check

[David Savage]

Don't forget me Cory :-)

Cheers,

Dave

On 5/22/07, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to be sure how much lodging space and gear I'm supposed to bring.
> I have PDML-West rolling up and I'm sure I have Cesar and Ann booked.  I was
> brining a tent too but now that Marney isn't coming, I'm not sure if it's
> needed.
> So... um... if you thought I was bringing you a place to stay, of if you'd
> like me to, let me know.
> I suppose I should get that tent out and see if it's all still there anyway
> ;)
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Re: GESO: What I did this weekend

[Bob Sullivan]

Thanks Paul, we're celebrating here!
We completed the 750 mile drive home with her stuff filling our van.
Best of all, she has a real job.
Bob S.

On 5/22/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice pics. Beautiful girl. Congratulations, dad!
> Paul
> On May 22, 2007, at 12:44 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
> > Here's what we did this weekend...
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Graduation
> > She's our youngest.
> > Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: PAW 2007 - 23 - GDG

[Tim Øsleby]

A grafitti I can't read.

The only thing that puzzles me is what made you stop. I guess it was out of 
curiosoty, but I can't see why. The grafitti, or something in the structure 
of he wall?
Enlighten me, if you feel like it. Could be a cultural thing.

Tim Typo
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>I took the Panny L1 out for a walk on Saturday morning ...
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>   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/23.htm
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> Comments, critique and the odd hurled overripe fruit all received
> with appreciation.
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Re: PESO -- Fireworks

[Mark Roberts]

P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In the modern age I expected that an 800 pixel length on the long 
> edge would fit most screens.  Apparently I'm wrong.

A lot of us often use laptops with 1280 x 800 pixel screen dimensions. 
With some overhead for other screen elements it's inevitable that 
800-pixel-tall images get chopped. Assuming 1024 x 768 is still the 
best compromist or web displays. 

I'm now sizing my horizontal shots at 800 pixels wide and my verticals 
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Re: GESO. my old bike.

[AlexG]

That's not so old!

I recently had to upgrade to an expenside set of Tektro ultra long
reach calipers simply because the pads for my current brakes have been
out of production since 1982.

And I had to have my LBS modify the hub on a new sheel to fit the tiny
rear spacing. This is because my ancient shimano derailleur took 3-5
spokes with it when it grenaded.

That beibg said, I'd LOVE to own a slightly more modern but
classically designed steelie, so consider me incredibly jealous of
your bike.

On 5/21/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> drew wrote:
> > All the talk of bikes recently made my think about my old Peugeot road
> > bike. So I went and dragged it out of the shed a fortnight ago only to
> > find the old tin worm had made a mess of the frame. So I acquired a
> > suitable vintage replacement frame, a few new bits and some work later
> > this is the result...
> > http://www.rileyelf.free-online.co.uk/GESO_21-5-07/
> >
> > Taken with Pentax ist-DL.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andy.
> >
>
> Nice bike, love that classic steel.
>
> -Adam
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Re: GESO: What I did this weekend

[AlexG]

Congratulations.

I'm half way through Mechanical Engineering here in Montreal and it's
easy for me to get discouraged, so it's nice to see there might
actually be an end to this brutal
lecture-assignment-lab-midterm-rinse-repeat-finalexam cycle.

What did she study?

On 5/22/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Paul, we're celebrating here!
> We completed the 750 mile drive home with her stuff filling our van.
> Best of all, she has a real job.
> Bob S.
>
> On 5/22/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nice pics. Beautiful girl. Congratulations, dad!
> > Paul
> > On May 22, 2007, at 12:44 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > Here's what we did this weekend...
> > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Graduation
> > > She's our youngest.
> > > Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Digital Image Studio]

On 22/05/07, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung
> (subject to the deal going through, of course), but that's just a guess,
> like everything else that has been said on this subject.

It's peculiar then that they registered the domain Hoya-Pentax.com

Domain Name.. hoya-pentax.com
 Creation Date 2006-12-21
 Registration Date 2006-12-21
 Expiry Date.. 2007-12-21
 Organisation Name HOYA CORPORATION
 Organisation Address. 2-7-5 Naka-Ochiai
 Organisation Address.
 Organisation Address. Shinjuku-ku
 Organisation Address. 161-8525
 Organisation Address. Tokyo
 Organisation Address. JAPAN

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Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images

[Bob Shell]

This came up on another list and I thought people here would like to  
know about this major scam.

It seems that Getty Images learned a few years ago that they could  
buy 4 X 5 negatives of images from the US National Archives for $ 5  
each.  They bought thousands.  Now they are selling these same images  
through their stock agency and claiming copyright on them.  The vast  
majority of the images in the National Archives were taken by  
government employees and are public domain.

Here's just one example for anyone skeptical.  Getty image: 3090980

On the getty website it says, "American Pilots November 1943:  
American pilots leaning against the tail of a F6F Hellcat on board  
the USS Lexington after a raid on the Marshall Islands. (Photo by MPI/ 
Getty Images)"

  http://preview.tinyurl.com/2825kt

Now the same image from the US National Archives.

To locate the same image, it is a bit more complicated. First go to  
the NARA ARC search engine:

http://arcweb.archives.gov/arc/basic_search.jsp

click the large yellow oval that says, "SEARCH" and you will see a  
search page. In the blank box at the top enter the ARC number 520896  
(just enter the numbers only) and click on the GO button to the right.

National Archives ARC: 520896 It also says Local Identifier: 80- 
G-470985 (this is the National Archives number for that image. The 80- 
G says WWII and US Navy PHOTOGRPHER, other photographs are NOT in  
this category, only ones shot by US Navy personal.  The top page says  
Digital copy available, that line is a link, click it. The next page  
has a thumbnail and the text block starts with, "Pilots leaning  
across F6F on board the USS Lexington (CV-16) after shooting down 17  
out of 20 Japanese planes heading for Tarawa." THIS block of text is  
a link to the next page so Click that link..  This page is where the  
truth lies.  At the bottom it lists "Steichen, Edward, Photographer"   
If you do not know, Edward Steichen was a Commander in the US Navy  
and headed the Navy's photographic team.  He was a US Government  
employee and as such ALL of his images (during his service) are in  
the Public Domain.  This is noted earlier on this page by saying,  
"Access Restrictions: Unrestricted Use Restrictions: Unrestricted"

As public domain images, these images belong to US, the public.   
Getty, or anyone else, has absolutely no right to claim copyright to  
these images and sell them.

We need to spread the word on this, and any of Getty's customers who  
have paid to license such images should demand an immediate and full  
refund.

Bob

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I'm dumb.

[AlexG]

So I've been eyeballing the limited lenses The real, fast ones not
the slow crappy new generation ones.

It occurs to me that there is something seriously wrong because a
month ago I would never even consider any of them, but it seems that
now i have no qualms about spending the equivalent of a brand new k10d
on a single god damned lens.

And this is not even for any realistic gain in lens performance or
image quality. A month ago, I went with the k100d instead of the k10d
because the extras in the k10d were not, to me, worth the extra 400
bucks. And they still aren't but I'm mentally prepared to pull the
trigger on ultrapremium glass.

What the hell is wrong with me?

Am I trying to fill a very distinct void in my life with nice toys
instead of dealing with the deeper issues?

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Re: Another strange OT

[Paul Sorenson]

It must have been cooler in Wisconsin in the late 1940's, too, 'cause I 
remember this as a song that was sung in school from just before 
Thanksgiving until Christmas.  Another was "Over the River and Through 
the Woods.."

We *did* sing that verse along with others using "The Little Golden Book 
of Songs".  I remember quite a few songs in that book that were 
considered innocent that would not be politically correct now.  I wish I 
still had a copy.

-p

P. J. Alling wrote:
> In 1857 the Earth was still officially in the "Little Ice Age", it was a 
> lot cooler.
> 
> graywolf wrote:
>> I just came across a site on the web that says that Jingle Bells was 
>> originally written as a Thanksgiving Day song. Must have been cooler back in 
>> 1857. Strangely I do not remember this verse from school,
>>
>>   
>>> A day or two ago
>>> I thought I'd take a ride
>>> And soon Miss Fanny Bright
>>> Was seated by my side
>>> The horse was lean and lank
>>> Misfortune seemed his lot
>>> We got into a drifted bank
>>> And then we got upsot
>>> 
>>
>>   
> 
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Re: I'm dumb.

[Digital Image Studio]

On 22/05/07, AlexG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I've been eyeballing the limited lenses The real, fast ones not
> the slow crappy new generation ones.
>
> It occurs to me that there is something seriously wrong because a
> month ago I would never even consider any of them, but it seems that
> now i have no qualms about spending the equivalent of a brand new k10d
> on a single god damned lens.
>
> And this is not even for any realistic gain in lens performance or
> image quality. A month ago, I went with the k100d instead of the k10d
> because the extras in the k10d were not, to me, worth the extra 400
> bucks. And they still aren't but I'm mentally prepared to pull the
> trigger on ultrapremium glass.
>
> What the hell is wrong with me?
>
> Am I trying to fill a very distinct void in my life with nice toys
> instead of dealing with the deeper issues?

LOL, no you have just been "enabled" by the list, it has that effect ;-)

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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Dario Bonazza]

Digital Image Studio wrote:

> It's peculiar then that they registered the domain Hoya-Pentax.com
>
> Domain Name.. hoya-pentax.com
> Creation Date 2006-12-21
> Registration Date 2006-12-21
> Expiry Date.. 2007-12-21
> Organisation Name HOYA CORPORATION
> Organisation Address. 2-7-5 Naka-Ochiai
> Organisation Address.
> Organisation Address. Shinjuku-ku
> Organisation Address. 161-8525
> Organisation Address. Tokyo
> Organisation Address. JAPAN

It was registered the same day they announced the agreement for the 
Hoya-Pentax merge into Hoya Pentax HD, remember? Why is it peculiar? It 
should be peculiar not to do that.

In any case, I think the only truth we can be sure of is we have no 
capability to foresee the future, hence any guess could be true or false. 
Any guess will also be useless for a positive change, while the negative 
prophecies could be self-fulfilling. For that reason, I tend not to enter 
this maso game.

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Re: I'm dumb.

[David J Brooks]

You have been assimilated by the PDML.

Prior to joining this list i had 2 bodies and 3 lenses.

Now i have four camera bags, stuffed full of film bodies, Dslr bodies,
two systems and close to 20 lenses.

You'll get used to it by Christmas.

Dave

On 5/22/07, AlexG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I've been eyeballing the limited lenses The real, fast ones not
> the slow crappy new generation ones.
>
> It occurs to me that there is something seriously wrong because a
> month ago I would never even consider any of them, but it seems that
> now i have no qualms about spending the equivalent of a brand new k10d
> on a single god damned lens.
>
> And this is not even for any realistic gain in lens performance or
> image quality. A month ago, I went with the k100d instead of the k10d
> because the extras in the k10d were not, to me, worth the extra 400
> bucks. And they still aren't but I'm mentally prepared to pull the
> trigger on ultrapremium glass.
>
> What the hell is wrong with me?
>
> Am I trying to fill a very distinct void in my life with nice toys
> instead of dealing with the deeper issues?
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Digital Image Studio]

On 22/05/07, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It was registered the same day they announced the agreement for the
> Hoya-Pentax merge into Hoya Pentax HD, remember? Why is it peculiar? It
> should be peculiar not to do that.

Shows their intent to maintain the Pentax name in any case.

> In any case, I think the only truth we can be sure of is we have no
> capability to foresee the future, hence any guess could be true or false.
> Any guess will also be useless for a positive change, while the negative
> prophecies could be self-fulfilling. For that reason, I tend not to enter
> this maso game.

I think that you seriously overestimate the influence of the list in
this matter, the fact that they have basic problems like delivering
lenses that people want is a fair indication of how poorly the company
is functioning without our assitance.

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Re: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/05/22 Tue PM 12:29:53 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images
> 
> This came up on another list and I thought people here would like to  
> know about this major scam.
> 
> It seems that Getty Images learned a few years ago that they could  
> buy 4 X 5 negatives of images from the US National Archives for $ 5  
> each.  They bought thousands.  Now they are selling these same images  
> through their stock agency and claiming copyright on them.  The vast  
> majority of the images in the National Archives were taken by  
> government employees and are public domain.
> 
> Here's just one example for anyone skeptical.  Getty image: 3090980
> 
> On the getty website it says, "American Pilots November 1943:  
> American pilots leaning against the tail of a F6F Hellcat on board  
> the USS Lexington after a raid on the Marshall Islands. (Photo by MPI/ 
> Getty Images)"
> 
>   http://preview.tinyurl.com/2825kt
> 
> Now the same image from the US National Archives.
> 
> To locate the same image, it is a bit more complicated. First go to  
> the NARA ARC search engine:
> 
> http://arcweb.archives.gov/arc/basic_search.jsp
> 
> click the large yellow oval that says, "SEARCH" and you will see a  
> search page. In the blank box at the top enter the ARC number 520896  
> (just enter the numbers only) and click on the GO button to the right.
> 
> National Archives ARC: 520896 It also says Local Identifier: 80- 
> G-470985 (this is the National Archives number for that image. The 80- 
> G says WWII and US Navy PHOTOGRPHER, other photographs are NOT in  
> this category, only ones shot by US Navy personal.  The top page says  
> Digital copy available, that line is a link, click it. The next page  
> has a thumbnail and the text block starts with, "Pilots leaning  
> across F6F on board the USS Lexington (CV-16) after shooting down 17  
> out of 20 Japanese planes heading for Tarawa." THIS block of text is  
> a link to the next page so Click that link..  This page is where the  
> truth lies.  At the bottom it lists "Steichen, Edward, Photographer"   
> If you do not know, Edward Steichen was a Commander in the US Navy  
> and headed the Navy's photographic team.  He was a US Government  
> employee and as such ALL of his images (during his service) are in  
> the Public Domain.  This is noted earlier on this page by saying,  
> "Access Restrictions: Unrestricted Use Restrictions: Unrestricted"
> 
> As public domain images, these images belong to US, the public.   
> Getty, or anyone else, has absolutely no right to claim copyright to  
> these images and sell them.
> 
> We need to spread the word on this, and any of Getty's customers who  
> have paid to license such images should demand an immediate and full  
> refund.
> 

Not to defend the money grubbers but if it says "Access Restrictions: 
Unrestricted Use Restrictions: Unrestricted"
what precisely are they doing wrong?


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Re: Another strange OT

[David J Brooks]

On 5/22/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In 1857 the Earth was still officially in the "Little Ice Age", it was a
> lot cooler.

And it was still flat then to.

Dave
>
> graywolf wrote:
> > I just came across a site on the web that says that Jingle Bells was 
> > originally written as a Thanksgiving Day song. Must have been cooler back 
> > in 1857. Strangely I do not remember this verse from school,
> >
> >
> >> A day or two ago
> >> I thought I'd take a ride
> >> And soon Miss Fanny Bright
> >> Was seated by my side
> >> The horse was lean and lank
> >> Misfortune seemed his lot
> >> We got into a drifted bank
> >> And then we got upsot
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: I'm dumb.

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: AlexG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/05/22 Tue PM 12:27:07 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: I'm dumb.
> 
> So I've been eyeballing the limited lenses The real, fast ones not
> the slow crappy new generation ones.
> 
> It occurs to me that there is something seriously wrong because a
> month ago I would never even consider any of them, but it seems that
> now i have no qualms about spending the equivalent of a brand new k10d
> on a single god damned lens.
> 
> And this is not even for any realistic gain in lens performance or
> image quality. A month ago, I went with the k100d instead of the k10d
> because the extras in the k10d were not, to me, worth the extra 400
> bucks. And they still aren't but I'm mentally prepared to pull the
> trigger on ultrapremium glass.
> 
> What the hell is wrong with me?
> 
> Am I trying to fill a very distinct void in my life with nice toys
> instead of dealing with the deeper issues?

You are suffering from "Enablement".  This is a virus transmitted by mailing 
lists.

Welcome to the fold.


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Re: Another strange OT

[Jim King]

graywolf wrote on Mon, 21 May 2007 19:35:57 -0700

> I just came across a site on the web that says that Jingle Bells  
> was originally
> written as a Thanksgiving Day song. Must have been cooler back in  
> 1857.
> Strangely I do not remember this verse from school,
>
> > A day or two ago
> > I thought I'd take a ride
> > And soon Miss Fanny Bright
> > Was seated by my side
> > The horse was lean and lank
> > Misfortune seemed his lot
> > We got into a drifted bank
> > And then we got upsot

You don't remember it because it probably had not yet been written.   
This verse was written 20 years ago for the movie "Funny Girl" and  
the name should read Fanny Brice, the protagonist  played by Barbra  
Streisand.

Don't believe much of what you read on the Internet...  (but you  
already knew that).

Regards, Jim

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PESO - Chester

[frank theriault]

My 14-year-old daughter Claire came to visit me on the weekend.

We spent Sunday walking about town with my girlfriend.  Just for fun,
since she's expressed interest in photography in the past, I took a
film camera for me (my first time since I got the *istD!), and Claire
took the *istD.  I set everything to green, and she used it as a point
and shoot.

She took over 200 photos!  She had a blast.  I'd like to share a
couple of them with you today.

She actually has a really good eye, IMHO, but I'm not sure about the
weird guys she photographs:

http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=yVO31T3GS1

I know Claire would appreciate your comments.

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Re: PESO - Chester

[David J Brooks]

The man makes that shot Frank

I like it

Dave

On 5/22/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My 14-year-old daughter Claire came to visit me on the weekend.
>
> We spent Sunday walking about town with my girlfriend.  Just for fun,
> since she's expressed interest in photography in the past, I took a
> film camera for me (my first time since I got the *istD!), and Claire
> took the *istD.  I set everything to green, and she used it as a point
> and shoot.
>
> She took over 200 photos!  She had a blast.  I'd like to share a
> couple of them with you today.
>
> She actually has a really good eye, IMHO, but I'm not sure about the
> weird guys she photographs:
>
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=yVO31T3GS1
>
> I know Claire would appreciate your comments.
>
> cheers,
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Re: Need help with my homework again

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 22, 2007, at 1:00 AM, mike wilson wrote:

>> Hint: J H Lartigue
>>
>> http://arts.guardian.co.uk/pictures/image/0,8543,-10404954434,00.html
>>
>> ...although the wheels aren't oblong. Don't know what kind of
>> distortion would do that!
>
> It's not distortion of the lens type, it's an effect of the focal  
> plane shutter working in slit mode.  As the slit crosses the frame,  
> the wheel moves forward, giving the oval shape.  It's just  
> fortuitous (or maybe a result of this photo in particular) that the  
> direction it leans is the one usually depicted graphically to  
> indicate speed.

In this case the camera was also panning with the car creating even  
more interesting distortion, like the leaning man on the left. To  
visualize how it happens, turn the picture upside down and consider a  
relatively slow moving slit running from top to bottom, and that  
"straight up and down" would require a vertical line through the man  
on the left...

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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung

Heaven help us.

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Re: I'm dumb.

[pnstenquist]

The new generation limited lenses aren't crappy. For example, Godders 
demonstrated how the new 70 is easily the equal of the old 77. 
 -- Original message --
From: AlexG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> So I've been eyeballing the limited lenses The real, fast ones not
> the slow crappy new generation ones.
> 
> It occurs to me that there is something seriously wrong because a
> month ago I would never even consider any of them, but it seems that
> now i have no qualms about spending the equivalent of a brand new k10d
> on a single god damned lens.
> 
> And this is not even for any realistic gain in lens performance or
> image quality. A month ago, I went with the k100d instead of the k10d
> because the extras in the k10d were not, to me, worth the extra 400
> bucks. And they still aren't but I'm mentally prepared to pull the
> trigger on ultrapremium glass.
> 
> What the hell is wrong with me?
> 
> Am I trying to fill a very distinct void in my life with nice toys
> instead of dealing with the deeper issues?
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Re: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images

[Bob Shell]

On May 22, 2007, at 9:16 AM, mike wilson wrote:

> Not to defend the money grubbers but if it says "Access  
> Restrictions: Unrestricted Use Restrictions: Unrestricted"
> what precisely are they doing wrong?

They are claiming copyright.  They didn't create the work and don't  
own it, so they have no right to copyright it or sell it.

Bob

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Re: PAW 2007 - 23 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I can't read it either.  :-)

I belong to a walking/running group that meets in Guadalupe Park  
every weekend. When I bring my camera, I split from the group for my  
walk and wander slowly. I've been making photos in and around this  
overpass for several months as the grafiti appears and is scrubbed  
away. The whole collection is currently several dozen exposures at  
present.

Why? I don't know, I just like it. ;-)

G

On May 22, 2007, at 4:38 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

> A grafitti I can't read.
>
> The only thing that puzzles me is what made you stop. I guess it  
> was out of
> curiosoty, but I can't see why. The grafitti, or something in the  
> structure
> of he wall?
> Enlighten me, if you feel like it. Could be a cultural thing.
>
> Tim Typo
> Mostly Harmless
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "DUG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PDML List"  
> ;
> "PAW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "SeePhoto Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:57 PM
> Subject: PAW 2007 - 23 - GDG
>
>
>> I took the Panny L1 out for a walk on Saturday morning ...
>>
>>   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/23.htm
>>
>> Comments, critique and the odd hurled overripe fruit all received
>> with appreciation.


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Re: I'm dumb.

[AlexG]

I figure I'd grab the lenses the reputation was established by. And
who knows, one of these days I may want to shoot film

I saw Godfreys pics and they're really nice.

I need to figure out whether I can use that focal length or whether i
can justify the purchases. Sigh. This is what enablement is?


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> The new generation limited lenses aren't crappy. For example, Godders 
> demonstrated how the new 70 is easily the equal of the old 77.
>  -- Original message --
> From: AlexG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > So I've been eyeballing the limited lenses The real, fast ones not
> > the slow crappy new generation ones.
> >
> > It occurs to me that there is something seriously wrong because a
> > month ago I would never even consider any of them, but it seems that
> > now i have no qualms about spending the equivalent of a brand new k10d
> > on a single god damned lens.
> >
> > And this is not even for any realistic gain in lens performance or
> > image quality. A month ago, I went with the k100d instead of the k10d
> > because the extras in the k10d were not, to me, worth the extra 400
> > bucks. And they still aren't but I'm mentally prepared to pull the
> > trigger on ultrapremium glass.
> >
> > What the hell is wrong with me?
> >
> > Am I trying to fill a very distinct void in my life with nice toys
> > instead of dealing with the deeper issues?
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Re: PESO - Chester

[frank theriault]

On 5/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice composition. Great moment -- I thinkk. But the pic is so small I can't 
> really see the man.

Thanks (on behalf of Claire), Paul.  You should be able to zoom in
(upper left on the screen) to get a better look at the photo.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Chester

[pnstenquist]

Nice composition. Great moment -- I thinkk. But the pic is so small I can't 
really see the man. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> My 14-year-old daughter Claire came to visit me on the weekend.
> 
> We spent Sunday walking about town with my girlfriend.  Just for fun,
> since she's expressed interest in photography in the past, I took a
> film camera for me (my first time since I got the *istD!), and Claire
> took the *istD.  I set everything to green, and she used it as a point
> and shoot.
> 
> She took over 200 photos!  She had a blast.  I'd like to share a
> couple of them with you today.
> 
> She actually has a really good eye, IMHO, but I'm not sure about the
> weird guys she photographs:
> 
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=yVO31T3GS1
> 
> I know Claire would appreciate your comments.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO: eternal decay

[AlexG]

Thanks for the kind words godfrey.

This was made with the DA40. I am leaning toward selling this lens so
I'm forcing myself to use it as much as possible to see if i'll keep
it.

On 5/20/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On May 19, 2007, at 9:04 PM, AlexG wrote:
>
> > man may sculpt his world.
> > still, natural law prevails:
> > relentless decay
> >
> > http://farm1.static.flickr.com/221/505270771_322af760d1_b.jpg
>
> Very nice, Alex!
>
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Next time i'll read the manual first

[David J Brooks]

Forgot the 77 ltd had a built in lens hood.

Thought i broke the sucker when i went to remove the cap, and the lens
rotated and pulled out.

BP is back to its normal high self.:-)

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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 22, 2007, at 1:13 AM, mike wilson wrote:

>> Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? I've
>> got an electronic calculator here that's nearly 30 years old and
>> still working perfectly.
>
> What Cotty said is possibly badly worded but it is true that when/ 
> if the electronics (i.e. the custom programmed processor chips) die  
> they are gone.  Pretty much anything mechanical can be restored.   
> Unless you have access to the source code for the custom chip you  
> are stuffed if you cannot find a replacement.

Solid state logic components rarely if ever "die", Mike, unless  
subjected to abuse in the form of wet environment or bad power . All  
the failures mentioned so far are mechanical failures of inexpensive  
electronic components built to substandard specs.

That said, electronics can fail occasionally but mechanical  
components *will* fail. Some things, while theoretically possible to  
repair, are very difficult to do so or too expensive to be worth the  
effort in either case.

I was by the camera shop yesterday and enjoyed playing with a lovely  
old Nikon F3hp from 1980. Perfect working condition. One of my most  
favorite cameras.

G

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Fun little LBA test!

[AlexG]

LBA test! If you answer yes to 2 or more of these, you have LBA,

1. Have you ever searched eBay for the words "Super Takumar" and
filtered it for those auctions that are only "Buy It Now"? (Try it
now)

Yes.

2. Do you compulsively look into the used lens section at camera shops
or KEH for anything that could remotely fit on a Pentax camera? Even
though you already have the focal range of 15mm to 300mm covered with
your present lenses?

Yes.

3. If someone says they have a 50mm Pentax lens, do you question them
further to find out exactly which version it is, and depending on the
answer, do you get smug or jealous?

Most definitely yes.

4. Have you purchased more than 3 of the Limited lenses?
Not yet :( Why would I do it? I can't help it. i want to...!?

5. Have you ever put your lenses in a display case?
No. lenses exist to be used, or admired in hand,

6. Have you ever hidden receipts because "no one else needs to know
how much I paid for it"...?
Can't hide a receipt when someone else accepts your package :)

7. Have you ever felt pride in getting a lens for under market value
and set that as your new "threshold to break"? For example, you pick
up an SMC-M 28mm lens for $15 bucks, and now you're on the look out
for grabbing anything for under $15 that could qualify as "a better
deal"...?

Sure, but that's a ridiculous deal!


8. Have you ever drawn up a short list for which lenses to bring on a
trip and then thrown in some extras "just in case"...?

Yep.

9. Have you ever stalked a lens on the internet, by researching it
tirelessly for days by looking for sample shots, qualified reviews,
tests, etc., and this lens pre-dates the internet?

Oh yeah!

10. Did you pre-order a DA* lens and get giddy just thinking about its
arrival this summer?

No. Zooms suck.

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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Gonz]

There is an electrical phenomenom called electro-migration which can
degrade electronics over time, especially points of high current.
CCD's are notorious for high current transfers.



On 5/22/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 21/5/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? I've
> >got an electronic calculator here that's nearly 30 years old and
> >still working perfectly.
>
> Fair point. Lens is allegedly sealed against dust and moisture, so if
> anything should promote longevity.
>
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Re: PESO -- Fireworks

[P. J. Alling]

I have yet to see an :"affordable" LCD with resolution that high.  Still 
the Hitachi seems to render characters smoother at 1600x1200.  I don't 
know the actual specifications on this beast, it was a castoff from a 
client.  (Not because they were dissatisfied with it's performance but 
because they were upgrading to an LCD with lower native resolution).  I 
simple installed the proper drivers and set the highest resolution I 
could read with Windows Fonts set to 125%.  I use other resolutions to 
check output but the highest produces the smoothest and sharpest 
rendering, to my eye.

Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 22/05/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I'm not Paul but I am responsible.
>>
>> I'm still in the CRT age, (as opposed to the LCD age, I find it amazing
>> that LCD's have so much lower resolution).I run my 19" monitor. a
>> Hitachi 781 at 1600x1200.
>> 
>
> I think you'll find that the CRT will simply sync to the 1600x1200
> analogue signal, it can't actually resolve it. My CRT is a top line
> 22" and has real resolution of no more than 1600x1200 pixels though it
> can display a signal of up to 2048x1536 pixels. Consumer TFT displays
> are now available with up to 2560x1600 pixel resolution.
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Re: PESO - Chester

[Fernando]

I think you have new competition comming there. Nice composition, good
thing is that she's young, still have time to find better subjects to
photograph ;-P.

Cheers

Fernando

On 5/22/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My 14-year-old daughter Claire came to visit me on the weekend.
>
> We spent Sunday walking about town with my girlfriend.  Just for fun,
> since she's expressed interest in photography in the past, I took a
> film camera for me (my first time since I got the *istD!), and Claire
> took the *istD.  I set everything to green, and she used it as a point
> and shoot.
>
> She took over 200 photos!  She had a blast.  I'd like to share a
> couple of them with you today.
>
> She actually has a really good eye, IMHO, but I'm not sure about the
> weird guys she photographs:
>
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=yVO31T3GS1
>
> I know Claire would appreciate your comments.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
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Re: PESO - Chester

[Jack Davis]

Is that "weird guy" you, Frank? IOW, did you set this up for her?
If not, you need to take some lessons from her. (LoL)

Jack
--- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My 14-year-old daughter Claire came to visit me on the weekend.
> 
> We spent Sunday walking about town with my girlfriend.  Just for fun,
> since she's expressed interest in photography in the past, I took a
> film camera for me (my first time since I got the *istD!), and Claire
> took the *istD.  I set everything to green, and she used it as a
> point
> and shoot.
> 
> She took over 200 photos!  She had a blast.  I'd like to share a
> couple of them with you today.
> 
> She actually has a really good eye, IMHO, but I'm not sure about the
> weird guys she photographs:
> 
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=yVO31T3GS1
> 
> I know Claire would appreciate your comments.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> 
> 
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Re: GFM bed check

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 5/22/2007 3:41:47 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I want to be sure how  much lodging space and gear I'm supposed to bring.
I have PDML-West rolling  up and I'm sure I have Cesar and Ann booked.  I was 
brining a tent too  but now that Marney isn't coming, I'm not sure if it's 
needed.
So...  um... if you thought I was bringing you a place to stay, of if you'd 
like me  to, let me know.
I suppose I should get that tent out and see if it's all  still there anyway 
;)

CW

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Re: PESO - Chester

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/05/22 Tue PM 01:26:56 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: PESO - Chester
> 
> My 14-year-old daughter Claire came to visit me on the weekend.
> 
> We spent Sunday walking about town with my girlfriend.  Just for fun,
> since she's expressed interest in photography in the past, I took a
> film camera for me (my first time since I got the *istD!), and Claire
> took the *istD.  I set everything to green, and she used it as a point
> and shoot.
> 
> She took over 200 photos!  She had a blast.  I'd like to share a
> couple of them with you today.
> 
> She actually has a really good eye, IMHO, but I'm not sure about the
> weird guys she photographs:
> 
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=yVO31T3GS1
> 
> I know Claire would appreciate your comments.

Can't argue with either of your assertions.


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Re: GESO: What I did this weekend

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

My congratulations on her accomplishment, Bob. Great to hear!

G

On May 22, 2007, at 4:20 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Thanks Paul, we're celebrating here!
> We completed the 750 mile drive home with her stuff filling our van.
> Best of all, she has a real job.
> Bob S.
>
> On 5/22/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Nice pics. Beautiful girl. Congratulations, dad!
>> Paul
>> On May 22, 2007, at 12:44 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> Here's what we did this weekend...
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Graduation
>>> She's our youngest.
>>> Regards,  Bob S.


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Re: I'm dumb.

[pnstenquist]

The first rule of enablement is that desire alone is adequate purchase 
justification. Once you accept that basic premise, the rest is easy.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: AlexG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I figure I'd grab the lenses the reputation was established by. And
> who knows, one of these days I may want to shoot film
> 
> I saw Godfreys pics and they're really nice.
> 
> I need to figure out whether I can use that focal length or whether i
> can justify the purchases. Sigh. This is what enablement is?
> 
> 
> On 5/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The new generation limited lenses aren't crappy. For example, Godders 
> demonstrated how the new 70 is easily the equal of the old 77.
> >  -- Original message --
> > From: AlexG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > So I've been eyeballing the limited lenses The real, fast ones not
> > > the slow crappy new generation ones.
> > >
> > > It occurs to me that there is something seriously wrong because a
> > > month ago I would never even consider any of them, but it seems that
> > > now i have no qualms about spending the equivalent of a brand new k10d
> > > on a single god damned lens.
> > >
> > > And this is not even for any realistic gain in lens performance or
> > > image quality. A month ago, I went with the k100d instead of the k10d
> > > because the extras in the k10d were not, to me, worth the extra 400
> > > bucks. And they still aren't but I'm mentally prepared to pull the
> > > trigger on ultrapremium glass.
> > >
> > > What the hell is wrong with me?
> > >
> > > Am I trying to fill a very distinct void in my life with nice toys
> > > instead of dealing with the deeper issues?
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Re: PESO: eternal decay

[Fernando]

Nice moody shoot.

Cheers

Fernando

On 5/20/07, AlexG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Snapped a few pics today with my k100d and DA40. Here's one.
>
> man may sculpt his world.
> still, natural law prevails:
> relentless decay
>
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/221/505270771_322af760d1_b.jpg
>
> As per usual, please post comments and criticism.
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Re: I'm dumb.

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks Paul and Alex for the compliments. :-)

Having owned and used all of them now except for the DA40, all the  
Limiteds are exceptional performers.

I have no interest in 35mm film any more, other than sentimental  
desire to use my Rollei 35S once in a blue moon (coming up...). The  
DA21 and DA70 are a better fit to the K10D than the FA31 and FA77  
were. I still prefer the FA43 over the DA40, I think it presents  
nicer rendering qualities.

An interest in high quality lenses generally means that either you  
have developed enough critical ability to discern quality that they  
are warranted or that you want them as a status symbol. Wanting only  
the highly vaunted, much adulated by peers older Limiteds is a sign  
that the status symbol qualification may be intruding on your  
objectivity. It doesn't guarantee this is true, but it's something to  
think about.

On the other hand, far be it from me to discourage a little "lens  
buying addiction". There are worse addictions in the world.

G


On May 22, 2007, at 6:56 AM, AlexG wrote:

> I figure I'd grab the lenses the reputation was established by. And
> who knows, one of these days I may want to shoot film
>
> I saw Godfreys pics and they're really nice.
>
> I need to figure out whether I can use that focal length or whether i
> can justify the purchases. Sigh. This is what enablement is?
>
>> The new generation limited lenses aren't crappy. For example,  
>> Godders demonstrated how the new 70 is easily the equal of the old  
>> 77.
>>
>>> So I've been eyeballing the limited lenses The real, fast  
>>> ones not
>>> the slow crappy new generation ones.
>>>
>>> It occurs to me that there is something seriously wrong because a
>>> month ago I would never even consider any of them, but it seems that
>>> now i have no qualms about spending the equivalent of a brand new  
>>> k10d
>>> on a single god damned lens.
>>>
>>> And this is not even for any realistic gain in lens performance or
>>> image quality. A month ago, I went with the k100d instead of the  
>>> k10d
>>> because the extras in the k10d were not, to me, worth the extra 400
>>> bucks. And they still aren't but I'm mentally prepared to pull the
>>> trigger on ultrapremium glass.
>>>
>>> What the hell is wrong with me?
>>>
>>> Am I trying to fill a very distinct void in my life with nice toys
>>> instead of dealing with the deeper issues?


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Re: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 5/22/2007 6:47:05 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They are claiming  copyright.  They didn't create the work and don't  
own it, so they  have no right to copyright it or sell  it.

Bob


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wouldn't be happy to sell someone some  images.

Sometimes I think scamming stems from the heart, not the  pocketbook.

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Re: PESO - Chester

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 22, 2007, at 6:26 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> My 14-year-old daughter Claire came to visit me on the weekend.
>
> We spent Sunday walking about town with my girlfriend.  Just for fun,
> since she's expressed interest in photography in the past, I took a
> film camera for me (my first time since I got the *istD!), and Claire
> took the *istD.  I set everything to green, and she used it as a point
> and shoot.
>
> She took over 200 photos!  She had a blast.  I'd like to share a
> couple of them with you today.
>
> She actually has a really good eye, IMHO, but I'm not sure about the
> weird guys she photographs:
>
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=yVO31T3GS1
>
> I know Claire would appreciate your comments.

That's a great shot, Frank. And I like your hat... ;-)

G



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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Gonz]

Thats another  even more common failure mechanism.  I have a Sony tape
deck that I really like and have master recordings that sound best on
it (because the masters were made on it)
that has an electrolytic cap problem.  It "motor-boats", but the
location is impossible to pin-point.


On 5/22/07, Ralf R. Radermacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water?
>
> I've just binned a Sony V6000 camcorder. About 12 years old, but hardly
> used. Optically and mechanically like new. The problem: dozens of
> leaking electrolytic capacitors. The phenomenon is known. Affects all
> V5000 and V6000 sooner or later. Canon users report the same trouble
> with their former top-of-line EX-1.
>
> My Philips FM1000 vhf transceiver doesn't let me program new receive
> frequencies. Transmit yes, but not receive. Hasn't been dunked, either.
>
> Just two examples of electronics failing.
>
> Ralf
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PESO - Spring Lamb

[frank theriault]

One last one from my daughter, Claire (see "Chester" for more details
of how she came to shoot with me this weekend):

http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=JQXKwtCTQa

She'd love to hear your comments (keeping in mind that this has not
been PS'ed at all, for brightness or colour adjustment or sharpness -
this is completely unmanipulated, right out of the camera).

cheers,
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Tom C]

>From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Tom,
>
>Neither you nor Herb had or have the slightest idea what you are talking
>about.
>

See ya John.

Tom C.



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Re: GFM bed check

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 5/22/2007 3:41:47 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I want to be sure how  much lodging space and gear I'm supposed to bring.
I have PDML-West rolling  up and I'm sure I have Cesar and Ann booked.  I was 
brining a tent too  but now that Marney isn't coming, I'm not sure if it's 
needed.
So...  um... if you thought I was bringing you a place to stay, of if you'd 
like me  to, let me know.
I suppose I should get that tent out and see if it's all  still there anyway 
;)

CW


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Re: PESO - Chester

[John Forbes]

When I have a pee in a passage, I hide my face.

John

On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:42:27 +0100, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nice composition. Great moment -- I thinkk. But the pic is so small I  
> can't really see the man.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> My 14-year-old daughter Claire came to visit me on the weekend.
>>
>> We spent Sunday walking about town with my girlfriend.  Just for fun,
>> since she's expressed interest in photography in the past, I took a
>> film camera for me (my first time since I got the *istD!), and Claire
>> took the *istD.  I set everything to green, and she used it as a point
>> and shoot.
>>
>> She took over 200 photos!  She had a blast.  I'd like to share a
>> couple of them with you today.
>>
>> She actually has a really good eye, IMHO, but I'm not sure about the
>> weird guys she photographs:
>>
>> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=yVO31T3GS1
>>
>> I know Claire would appreciate your comments.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[John Forbes]

That was back in the days when the deal was announced as a merger, and the  
stated plan was to continue to make cameras.

John

On Tue, 22 May 2007 13:09:15 +0100, Digital Image Studio  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 22/05/07, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung
>> (subject to the deal going through, of course), but that's just a guess,
>> like everything else that has been said on this subject.
>
> It's peculiar then that they registered the domain Hoya-Pentax.com
>
> Domain Name.. hoya-pentax.com
>  Creation Date 2006-12-21
>  Registration Date 2006-12-21
>  Expiry Date.. 2007-12-21
>  Organisation Name HOYA CORPORATION
>  Organisation Address. 2-7-5 Naka-Ochiai
>  Organisation Address.
>  Organisation Address. Shinjuku-ku
>  Organisation Address. 161-8525
>  Organisation Address. Tokyo
>  Organisation Address. JAPAN
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[P. J. Alling]

Electronics wear out just like anything else.  Cycling it on and off 
creates heat stress in connections at the very least.  Mechanical 
switches are a week point they wear out from physical movement, seals at 
those points wear as well, and replacement parts after 30 years will be 
made out of Unobtainium .  Even if the electronics survive, batteries 
can be a problem.  I have a small collection of HP calculators that are 
at least 30 years old that would work perfectly except that batteries in 
the proper form factor are no longer manufactured.  I recycled the 
plastic shells until they could no longer be re-assembled.  After that 
it was easier to just buy a crappy new calculator.  (Luckily when my 
original HP 42s crapped out, (keyboard failed), the replacement HP sent 
me used S76 cells, instead of the original PX13s...)

Cotty wrote:
> On 21/5/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>> Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? I've  
>> got an electronic calculator here that's nearly 30 years old and  
>> still working perfectly.
>> 
>
> Fair point. Lens is allegedly sealed against dust and moisture, so if
> anything should promote longevity.
>
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Re: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[David J Brooks]

>
> >
> > From: "Sandy Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2007/05/22 Tue AM 06:24:52 GMT
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
> >
> > > > http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/pentax_cameras_lenses.htm
> >
> > Anyone tried their 16/2.8 on Pentax digitals?

I have had one for 2 years now, or so, and it works well on my K10D
and istD bodies. Not the 180 degree look as on a film body but ..

I find it need about +0.7 ro +1.0 EV.

Dave
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Re: GESO. my old bike.

[frank theriault]

On 5/21/07, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All the talk of bikes recently made my think about my old Peugeot road
> bike. So I went and dragged it out of the shed a fortnight ago only to
> find the old tin worm had made a mess of the frame. So I acquired a
> suitable vintage replacement frame, a few new bits and some work later
> this is the result...
> http://www.rileyelf.free-online.co.uk/GESO_21-5-07/
>
> Taken with Pentax ist-DL.

I'd recognize those old Modolo brakes anywhere!  That single spring
will evenutally break, more than likely as you're descending a
mountain switchback at 80km/h.  ;-)

I used to have some on an old bike of mine.  Mine were red...

Nice pix of a classic steed.

cheers,
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...



>
> Solid state logic components rarely if ever "die", Mike, unless
> subjected to abuse in the form of wet environment or bad power . All
> the failures mentioned so far are mechanical failures of inexpensive
> electronic components built to substandard specs.
>
> That said, electronics can fail occasionally but mechanical
> components *will* fail. Some things, while theoretically possible to
> repair, are very difficult to do so or too expensive to be worth the
> effort in either case.
>
> I was by the camera shop yesterday and enjoyed playing with a lovely
> old Nikon F3hp from 1980. Perfect working condition. One of my most
> favorite cameras.

My older F2s is still working just fine, but I have owned a couple of MX 
bodies with flakey meters, both dead from unrepairable electronics, not 
mechanical failures.

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Re: PAW 2007 - 23 - GDG

[frank theriault]

On 5/21/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I took the Panny L1 out for a walk on Saturday morning ...
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/23.htm
>
> Comments, critique and the odd hurled overripe fruit all received
> with appreciation.

Cool shot.  Love the patterns - the bare spots on the wall almost look
like clouds...

cheers,
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 5/22/2007 12:51:58 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Godfrey DiGiorgi  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Why would the electronics die unless  you dunked them in water? 


Human electrical fields  interfere.

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Re: Next time i'll read the manual first

[AlexG]

LOL. Good ol case of the RTFM :)

Can you post some pics with your 77?

I am suffering from enablement (just learned what that means) and the
77 is to be the main contributor to my financial ruin.

On 5/22/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Forgot the 77 ltd had a built in lens hood.
>
> Thought i broke the sucker when i went to remove the cap, and the lens
> rotated and pulled out.
>
> BP is back to its normal high self.:-)
>
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Dario Bonazza]

Digital Image Studio wrote:

> On 22/05/07, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> It was registered the same day they announced the agreement for the
>> Hoya-Pentax merge into Hoya Pentax HD, remember? Why is it peculiar? It
>> should be peculiar not to do that.
>
> Shows their intent to maintain the Pentax name in any case.

Of course! What else for a company which planned to be named Hoya Pentax HD? 
BTW, what was that HD supposed to mean? However, that domain registration 
happened when all was looking smooth, before the mess.

>> In any case, I think the only truth we can be sure of is we have no
>> capability to foresee the future, hence any guess could be true or false.
>> Any guess will also be useless for a positive change, while the negative
>> prophecies could be self-fulfilling. For that reason, I tend not to enter
>> this maso game.
>
> I think that you seriously overestimate the influence of the list in
> this matter, the fact that they have basic problems like delivering
> lenses that people want is a fair indication of how poorly the company
> is functioning without our assitance.

I was not referring to the PDML only. I mean the whole internet, with forums 
bouncing 'de profundis' each other.

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Re: Next time i'll read the manual first

[Fernando]

Sounds like a moment sponsored by the Stroke and Heart Foundation ;-)

On 5/22/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Forgot the 77 ltd had a built in lens hood.
>
> Thought i broke the sucker when i went to remove the cap, and the lens
> rotated and pulled out.
>
> BP is back to its normal high self.:-)
>
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Re: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images

[Adam Maas]

Bob Shell wrote:
> On May 22, 2007, at 9:16 AM, mike wilson wrote:
>
>   
>> Not to defend the money grubbers but if it says "Access  
>> Restrictions: Unrestricted Use Restrictions: Unrestricted"
>> what precisely are they doing wrong?
>> 
>
> They are claiming copyright.  They didn't create the work and don't  
> own it, so they have no right to copyright it or sell it.
>
> Bob
>   

I think they could justify selling the images, as a large part of what 
they sell is the service of being able to search their archives, not 
just the image itself (aka the standard Open Source Software business 
model, sell the service not the software). Claiming copyright on the 
images is out of the question, of course.

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Re: PESO: Visitor to My Coffee House

[Fernando]

Amazing detail capture for a P&S!!

Cheers,

Fernando


On 5/21/07, Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This little fella decided to rest on the stucco wall of my favorite coffee
> house.
>
> http://www.bob.blakely.com/Visitor.JPG
>
> Taken using my ever ready Optio 550.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Blakely
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RE: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images

[John Poirier]

I think it is shocking that government bums like the US National Archives
should be practically giving away images, interfering with the sacred right
of Getty Images to eke out a modest living. Clearly the Archives must be
broken up and turned over to private sector people with a fundamental
understanding of, and true faith in, the bottom line.

Cheers

John Poirier




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>
>
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> >
> > From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2007/05/22 Tue PM 12:29:53 GMT
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > Subject: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images
> >
> > This came up on another list and I thought people here would like to
> > know about this major scam.
> >
> > It seems that Getty Images learned a few years ago that they could
> > buy 4 X 5 negatives of images from the US National Archives for $ 5
> > each.  They bought thousands.  Now they are selling these same images
> > through their stock agency and claiming copyright on them.  The vast
> > majority of the images in the National Archives were taken by
> > government employees and are public domain.
> >
> > Here's just one example for anyone skeptical.  Getty image: 3090980
> >
> > On the getty website it says, "American Pilots November 1943:
> > American pilots leaning against the tail of a F6F Hellcat on board
> > the USS Lexington after a raid on the Marshall Islands. (Photo by MPI/
> > Getty Images)"
> >
> >   http://preview.tinyurl.com/2825kt
> >
> > Now the same image from the US National Archives.
> >
> > To locate the same image, it is a bit more complicated. First go to
> > the NARA ARC search engine:
> >
> > http://arcweb.archives.gov/arc/basic_search.jsp
> >
> > click the large yellow oval that says, "SEARCH" and you will see a
> > search page. In the blank box at the top enter the ARC number 520896
> > (just enter the numbers only) and click on the GO button to the right.
> >
> > National Archives ARC: 520896 It also says Local Identifier: 80-
> > G-470985 (this is the National Archives number for that image. The 80-
> > G says WWII and US Navy PHOTOGRPHER, other photographs are NOT in
> > this category, only ones shot by US Navy personal.  The top page says
> > Digital copy available, that line is a link, click it. The next page
> > has a thumbnail and the text block starts with, "Pilots leaning
> > across F6F on board the USS Lexington (CV-16) after shooting down 17
> > out of 20 Japanese planes heading for Tarawa." THIS block of text is
> > a link to the next page so Click that link..  This page is where the
> > truth lies.  At the bottom it lists "Steichen, Edward, Photographer"
> > If you do not know, Edward Steichen was a Commander in the US Navy
> > and headed the Navy's photographic team.  He was a US Government
> > employee and as such ALL of his images (during his service) are in
> > the Public Domain.  This is noted earlier on this page by saying,
> > "Access Restrictions: Unrestricted Use Restrictions: Unrestricted"
> >
> > As public domain images, these images belong to US, the public.
> > Getty, or anyone else, has absolutely no right to claim copyright to
> > these images and sell them.
> >
> > We need to spread the word on this, and any of Getty's customers who
> > have paid to license such images should demand an immediate and full
> > refund.
> >
>
> Not to defend the money grubbers but if it says "Access
> Restrictions: Unrestricted Use Restrictions: Unrestricted"
> what precisely are they doing wrong?
>
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Re: Next time i'll read the manual first

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

LOL!

BTW, the 77's short lens hood is mostly useless for the DSLRs. I  
strongly recommend buying a B+W screw-in metal lens hood, telphoto  
model 49mm threads. It is a *perfect* match to the FA77.



They're out of stock right now but it's well worth waiting for...

Godfrey


On May 22, 2007, at 7:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

> Forgot the 77 ltd had a built in lens hood.
>
> Thought i broke the sucker when i went to remove the cap, and the lens
> rotated and pulled out.
>
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Re: Boris (PESO) - Week 18

[Fernando]

Hi Boris,

Good eye, I'm with Jaume, I'd like to see a more perpendicular POV but
I like the concept anyway, you could even grow a gallery of black and
white stuff, the Ying-Yang GESO ;-)

Cheers

Fernando

On 5/20/07, Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Boris,
>
> Did you try from a more perpendicular point of view? It is what my mind 
> demands when looking at it.
> (maybe it wasn't even possible)
>
> - Mensaje original 
> De: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List ; PAW Project Discussions 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Enviado: domingo, 20 de mayo, 2007 19:45:52
> Asunto: Boris (PESO) - Week 18
>
> Ying and Yang...
>
> http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=17653&full=1
>
> Have your honest and brutal say...
>
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Re: GESO: What I did this weekend

[Norm Baugher]

Congrats Bob!
Norm

Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Here's what we did this weekend...
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Graduation
> She's our youngest.
> Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Paul Sorenson]

Bad electrolytic in the power supply??  That's typically the source of 
motor-boating - the capacitor fails and the pulsating DC doesn't get 
smoothed out.

-p

Gonz wrote:
> Thats another  even more common failure mechanism.  I have a Sony tape
> deck that I really like and have master recordings that sound best on
> it (because the masters were made on it)
> that has an electrolytic cap problem.  It "motor-boats", but the
> location is impossible to pin-point.
> 
> 
> On 5/22/07, Ralf R. Radermacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water?
>> I've just binned a Sony V6000 camcorder. About 12 years old, but hardly
>> used. Optically and mechanically like new. The problem: dozens of
>> leaking electrolytic capacitors. The phenomenon is known. Affects all
>> V5000 and V6000 sooner or later. Canon users report the same trouble
>> with their former top-of-line EX-1.
>>
>> My Philips FM1000 vhf transceiver doesn't let me program new receive
>> frequencies. Transmit yes, but not receive. Hasn't been dunked, either.
>>
>> Just two examples of electronics failing.
>>
>> Ralf
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Re: I'm dumb.

[David Savage]

On 5/22/07, AlexG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I figure I'd grab the lenses the reputation was established by. And
> who knows, one of these days I may want to shoot film
>
> I saw Godfreys pics and they're really nice.
>
> I need to figure out whether I can use that focal length or whether i
> can justify the purchases. Sigh. This is what enablement is?

It depends on how you shoot, but I've always preferred mid-longish
focal lengths. As a result the 77 is my most used lens.

And while it seems the recent crop of Limited's are as fine optically
as their older siblings none of them have really called to me to run
out and buy them.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - Spring Lamb

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 22, 2007, at 7:33 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> One last one from my daughter, Claire (see "Chester" for more details
> of how she came to shoot with me this weekend):
>
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=JQXKwtCTQa
>
> She'd love to hear your comments (keeping in mind that this has not
> been PS'ed at all, for brightness or colour adjustment or sharpness -
> this is completely unmanipulated, right out of the camera).

Hmm. Blue goat, eh? ]'-)

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Re: GESO. my old bike.

[David Savage]

On 5/22/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice pix of a classic steed.

...Errr that's a bike knarf, not a horse.

Maybe Dave could help explain the difference.



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Re: PESO - Spring Lamb

[Christian]

frank theriault wrote:
> One last one from my daughter, Claire (see "Chester" for more details
> of how she came to shoot with me this weekend):
> 
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=JQXKwtCTQa
> 
> She'd love to hear your comments (keeping in mind that this has not
> been PS'ed at all, for brightness or colour adjustment or sharpness -
> this is completely unmanipulated, right out of the camera).
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 

It isn't bad as is, but it would be beter herb-crusted with some roasted 
potatoes and spinach and a nice Barossa valley shiraz.  :-)

Your daughter is gonna give you a run for your money, frank.  This is a 
cute shot and I really like "Chester"  too.

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Re: PESO: eternal decay

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Curiosity: Why sell it?

G

On May 22, 2007, at 6:59 AM, AlexG wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words godfrey.
>
> This was made with the DA40. I am leaning toward selling this lens so
> I'm forcing myself to use it as much as possible to see if i'll keep
> it.
>
> On 5/20/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On May 19, 2007, at 9:04 PM, AlexG wrote:
>>
>>> man may sculpt his world.
>>> still, natural law prevails:
>>> relentless decay
>>>
>>> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/221/505270771_322af760d1_b.jpg
>>
>> Very nice, Alex!


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Re: Another strange OT

[P. J. Alling]

The fact that educated people thought the world was flat, at .least 
since the time of Ptolemy, is an historical fallacy..   (Damn that was a 
good one for the Myths thread).

David J Brooks wrote:
> On 5/22/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> In 1857 the Earth was still officially in the "Little Ice Age", it was a
>> lot cooler.
>> 
>
> And it was still flat then to.
>
> Dave
>   
>> graywolf wrote:
>> 
>>> I just came across a site on the web that says that Jingle Bells was 
>>> originally written as a Thanksgiving Day song. Must have been cooler back 
>>> in 1857. Strangely I do not remember this verse from school,
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 A day or two ago
 I thought I'd take a ride
 And soon Miss Fanny Bright
 Was seated by my side
 The horse was lean and lank
 Misfortune seemed his lot
 We got into a drifted bank
 And then we got upsot

 
>>>
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Re: I'm dumb.

[P. J. Alling]

Welcome to the list...

AlexG wrote:
> So I've been eyeballing the limited lenses The real, fast ones not
> the slow crappy new generation ones.
>
> It occurs to me that there is something seriously wrong because a
> month ago I would never even consider any of them, but it seems that
> now i have no qualms about spending the equivalent of a brand new k10d
> on a single god damned lens.
>
> And this is not even for any realistic gain in lens performance or
> image quality. A month ago, I went with the k100d instead of the k10d
> because the extras in the k10d were not, to me, worth the extra 400
> bucks. And they still aren't but I'm mentally prepared to pull the
> trigger on ultrapremium glass.
>
> What the hell is wrong with me?
>
> Am I trying to fill a very distinct void in my life with nice toys
> instead of dealing with the deeper issues?
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Re: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images

[Thibouille]

You want public domain stuff being managed by private companies?
Weird thinking IMO.

2007/5/22, John Poirier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I think it is shocking that government bums like the US National Archives
> should be practically giving away images, interfering with the sacred right
> of Getty Images to eke out a modest living. Clearly the Archives must be
> broken up and turned over to private sector people with a fundamental
> understanding of, and true faith in, the bottom line.
>
> Cheers
>
> John Poirier
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > mike wilson
> > Sent: May 22, 2007 6:16 AM
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images
> >
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> >
> > >
> > > From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: 2007/05/22 Tue PM 12:29:53 GMT
> > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > > Subject: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images
> > >
> > > This came up on another list and I thought people here would like to
> > > know about this major scam.
> > >
> > > It seems that Getty Images learned a few years ago that they could
> > > buy 4 X 5 negatives of images from the US National Archives for $ 5
> > > each.  They bought thousands.  Now they are selling these same images
> > > through their stock agency and claiming copyright on them.  The vast
> > > majority of the images in the National Archives were taken by
> > > government employees and are public domain.
> > >
> > > Here's just one example for anyone skeptical.  Getty image: 3090980
> > >
> > > On the getty website it says, "American Pilots November 1943:
> > > American pilots leaning against the tail of a F6F Hellcat on board
> > > the USS Lexington after a raid on the Marshall Islands. (Photo by MPI/
> > > Getty Images)"
> > >
> > >   http://preview.tinyurl.com/2825kt
> > >
> > > Now the same image from the US National Archives.
> > >
> > > To locate the same image, it is a bit more complicated. First go to
> > > the NARA ARC search engine:
> > >
> > > http://arcweb.archives.gov/arc/basic_search.jsp
> > >
> > > click the large yellow oval that says, "SEARCH" and you will see a
> > > search page. In the blank box at the top enter the ARC number 520896
> > > (just enter the numbers only) and click on the GO button to the right.
> > >
> > > National Archives ARC: 520896 It also says Local Identifier: 80-
> > > G-470985 (this is the National Archives number for that image. The 80-
> > > G says WWII and US Navy PHOTOGRPHER, other photographs are NOT in
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> > > Digital copy available, that line is a link, click it. The next page
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> > > If you do not know, Edward Steichen was a Commander in the US Navy
> > > and headed the Navy's photographic team.  He was a US Government
> > > employee and as such ALL of his images (during his service) are in
> > > the Public Domain.  This is noted earlier on this page by saying,
> > > "Access Restrictions: Unrestricted Use Restrictions: Unrestricted"
> > >
> > > As public domain images, these images belong to US, the public.
> > > Getty, or anyone else, has absolutely no right to claim copyright to
> > > these images and sell them.
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> > > refund.
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Re: Getty claiming copyright on National Archives images

[P. J. Alling]

Bob, You should post this to a national news organization, if you have 
any contacts at one.  The Getty stealing from the public should make for 
a good story.

Bob Shell wrote:
> This came up on another list and I thought people here would like to  
> know about this major scam.
>
> It seems that Getty Images learned a few years ago that they could  
> buy 4 X 5 negatives of images from the US National Archives for $ 5  
> each.  They bought thousands.  Now they are selling these same images  
> through their stock agency and claiming copyright on them.  The vast  
> majority of the images in the National Archives were taken by  
> government employees and are public domain.
>
> Here's just one example for anyone skeptical.  Getty image: 3090980
>
> On the getty website it says, "American Pilots November 1943:  
> American pilots leaning against the tail of a F6F Hellcat on board  
> the USS Lexington after a raid on the Marshall Islands. (Photo by MPI/ 
> Getty Images)"
>
>   http://preview.tinyurl.com/2825kt
>
> Now the same image from the US National Archives.
>
> To locate the same image, it is a bit more complicated. First go to  
> the NARA ARC search engine:
>
> http://arcweb.archives.gov/arc/basic_search.jsp
>
> click the large yellow oval that says, "SEARCH" and you will see a  
> search page. In the blank box at the top enter the ARC number 520896  
> (just enter the numbers only) and click on the GO button to the right.
>
> National Archives ARC: 520896 It also says Local Identifier: 80- 
> G-470985 (this is the National Archives number for that image. The 80- 
> G says WWII and US Navy PHOTOGRPHER, other photographs are NOT in  
> this category, only ones shot by US Navy personal.  The top page says  
> Digital copy available, that line is a link, click it. The next page  
> has a thumbnail and the text block starts with, "Pilots leaning  
> across F6F on board the USS Lexington (CV-16) after shooting down 17  
> out of 20 Japanese planes heading for Tarawa." THIS block of text is  
> a link to the next page so Click that link..  This page is where the  
> truth lies.  At the bottom it lists "Steichen, Edward, Photographer"   
> If you do not know, Edward Steichen was a Commander in the US Navy  
> and headed the Navy's photographic team.  He was a US Government  
> employee and as such ALL of his images (during his service) are in  
> the Public Domain.  This is noted earlier on this page by saying,  
> "Access Restrictions: Unrestricted Use Restrictions: Unrestricted"
>
> As public domain images, these images belong to US, the public.   
> Getty, or anyone else, has absolutely no right to claim copyright to  
> these images and sell them.
>
> We need to spread the word on this, and any of Getty's customers who  
> have paid to license such images should demand an immediate and full  
> refund.
>
> Bob
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Re: PESO - Chester

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault wrote:

>My 14-year-old daughter Claire came to visit me on the weekend.
>
>We spent Sunday walking about town with my girlfriend.  Just for fun,
>since she's expressed interest in photography in the past, I took a
>film camera for me (my first time since I got the *istD!), and Claire
>took the *istD.  I set everything to green, and she used it as a point
>and shoot.
>
>She took over 200 photos!  She had a blast.  I'd like to share a
>couple of them with you today.
>
>She actually has a really good eye, IMHO, but I'm not sure about the
>weird guys she photographs:
>
>http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=yVO31T3GS1
>
>I know Claire would appreciate your comments.

Great shot! Despite the lack of blur she's definitely a Theriault; that 
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[P. J. Alling]

What makes you think they're going to sell Cameras there?

Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 22/05/07, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung
>> (subject to the deal going through, of course), but that's just a guess,
>> like everything else that has been said on this subject.
>> 
>
> It's peculiar then that they registered the domain Hoya-Pentax.com
>
> Domain Name.. hoya-pentax.com
>  Creation Date 2006-12-21
>  Registration Date 2006-12-21
>  Expiry Date.. 2007-12-21
>  Organisation Name HOYA CORPORATION
>  Organisation Address. 2-7-5 Naka-Ochiai
>  Organisation Address.
>  Organisation Address. Shinjuku-ku
>  Organisation Address. 161-8525
>  Organisation Address. Tokyo
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Re: PESO - Chester

[P. J. Alling]

I kind of like it, but you're right, she could have chosen a better subject.

frank theriault wrote:
> My 14-year-old daughter Claire came to visit me on the weekend.
>
> We spent Sunday walking about town with my girlfriend.  Just for fun,
> since she's expressed interest in photography in the past, I took a
> film camera for me (my first time since I got the *istD!), and Claire
> took the *istD.  I set everything to green, and she used it as a point
> and shoot.
>
> She took over 200 photos!  She had a blast.  I'd like to share a
> couple of them with you today.
>
> She actually has a really good eye, IMHO, but I'm not sure about the
> weird guys she photographs:
>
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=yVO31T3GS1
>
> I know Claire would appreciate your comments.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
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Re: Another strange OT

[Paul Sorenson]

That's probably why I can remember walking to school through snow up to 
my knees...of course, I was a little shorter then.

-p

P. J. Alling wrote:
> The period 1940 to 1970 was also a cooling period.
> 
> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> It must have been cooler in Wisconsin in the late 1940's, too, 'cause I 
>> remember this as a song that was sung in school from just before 
>> Thanksgiving until Christmas.  Another was "Over the River and Through 
>> the Woods.."
>>
>> We *did* sing that verse along with others using "The Little Golden Book 
>> of Songs".  I remember quite a few songs in that book that were 
>> considered innocent that would not be politically correct now.  I wish I 
>> still had a copy.
>>
>> -p
>>
>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>   
>>> In 1857 the Earth was still officially in the "Little Ice Age", it was a 
>>> lot cooler.
>>>
>>> graywolf wrote:
>>> 
 I just came across a site on the web that says that Jingle Bells was 
 originally written as a Thanksgiving Day song. Must have been cooler back 
 in 1857. Strangely I do not remember this verse from school,

   
   
> A day or two ago
> I thought I'd take a ride
> And soon Miss Fanny Bright
> Was seated by my side
> The horse was lean and lank
> Misfortune seemed his lot
> We got into a drifted bank
> And then we got upsot
> 
> 
   
   
>>> 
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Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 22, 2007, at 7:19 AM, William Robb wrote:

> My older F2s is still working just fine, but I have owned a couple  
> of MX
> bodies with flakey meters, both dead from unrepairable electronics,  
> not
> mechanical failures.

Cheap components, usually the resistor used for the K-mount aperture  
follower if I recall what my service tech friend told me. I bet  
someone could repair it but it isn't cost effective to do so.

Nikon FTn Photomic heads for the F and F2 often have problems with a  
similar component. There's a guy who rebuilds them and recalibrates  
them for currently available batteries for about $70 a head.

What all these problems really indicate is how cheap, low-spec most  
of the electronic components being used are, even in high-end  
cameras. Curiously, my 1966 RCA transistor radio that cost me $20  
(expensive back then!) is still going strong.

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Re: Another strange OT

[P. J. Alling]

The period 1940 to 1970 was also a cooling period.

Paul Sorenson wrote:
> It must have been cooler in Wisconsin in the late 1940's, too, 'cause I 
> remember this as a song that was sung in school from just before 
> Thanksgiving until Christmas.  Another was "Over the River and Through 
> the Woods.."
>
> We *did* sing that verse along with others using "The Little Golden Book 
> of Songs".  I remember quite a few songs in that book that were 
> considered innocent that would not be politically correct now.  I wish I 
> still had a copy.
>
> -p
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>   
>> In 1857 the Earth was still officially in the "Little Ice Age", it was a 
>> lot cooler.
>>
>> graywolf wrote:
>> 
>>> I just came across a site on the web that says that Jingle Bells was 
>>> originally written as a Thanksgiving Day song. Must have been cooler back 
>>> in 1857. Strangely I do not remember this verse from school,
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 A day or two ago
 I thought I'd take a ride
 And soon Miss Fanny Bright
 Was seated by my side
 The horse was lean and lank
 Misfortune seemed his lot
 We got into a drifted bank
 And then we got upsot
 
 
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All dogs have four legs; my cat has four legs. Therefore, my cat is a dog.


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