Re: Processing very old color movie film?

2007-09-25 Thread John Celio
Thanks for all the info, everyone!

I think I'll call the places mentioned and see what they recommend as far as 
getting the film to them without damaging it.  I'll be sure to report back 
on any results!

Thanks again,
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For sale/trade: Single Element Soft Lens from Helios 44K

2007-09-25 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

It seems I am not putting my monocle to any significant use. If you're
interested in such a beast - do let me know off-list. I am not seeking
profit, but rather to help someone have fun with this lens.

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Re: way OT: configuring a Mac for photo work

2007-09-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/09/07, Amita Guha, discombobulated, unleashed:

My PC laptop is on its last legs, and I'm not too into Vista, so I've
decided to take the plunge and switch systems.



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Re: Thinking of AF280T flash

2007-09-25 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/09/24 Mon PM 03:08:07 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Thinking of AF280T flash
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2007, at 7:54 AM, William Robb wrote:
 
  ... If you can get a
  dedicated flash for Pentax that isn't TTL, and will talk to the  
  electronics
  in the camera, I think that would be best from an ease of operation  
  POV. ...
 
 As you suspect, there are no dedicated flash units that will talk to  
 the Pentax K10D automation features in this manner. Either you get a  
 fully dedicated flash like the Pentax AF540FGZ or you get a non- 
 dedicated flash.

On the DL2, the viewfinder charging/charged indicator works with the 280T and 
other dedicated (Pentax's definition) flashes.  Is the 10D so different?


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Re: Processing very old color movie film?

2007-09-25 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/09/24 Mon PM 07:24:41 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Processing very old color movie film?
 
 The film is probably in a cartridge, so once it's rewound and removed from 
 the camera, you should be able to determine what kind of film it is. Quite a 
 few  labs still process Ektachrome super 8 and 8mm film. Google turns up a 
 bunch. Only one of those I found can process Kodachrome movie film, but if 
 your film is from the seventies, chances are it's ektachrome.
 Paul

If it is Kodachrome, there is a Swiss lab still processing it.  You would only 
pay the standard charge.  Not sure if it deals with the USA but there are ways 
round that

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  My dad found an old movie camera recently, and he is almost completely 
  certain 
  it contains unprocessed color movie film of my mom bringing me home from 
  the 
  hospital shortly after I was born in 1978.
  
  I know from experience at the lab I used to work at, that old color film 
  rarely 
  produces worthwhile results when processed, but my parents really want to 
  try 
  with this stuff.  I'm not getting my hopes up, but it would be neat to see 
  if 
  anything came out.
  
  Does anyone know of any companies in the US that might be able to process 
  this 
  film?  Here's what I know about it:
  
   - It's nearly 29 years old.
   - It is most likely color.
   - It's been stored in dark, cool places most of it's life.
  
  I don't know the brand, format (best guess is Kodak 8mm, since my dad has a 
  couple reels of that stuff in other boxes) or any other technical details.  
  The 
  film is still in the camera, so I may be able to learn more by checking any 
  settings on the camera itself.
  
  Any ideas or leads would be much appreciated.
  
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RE: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/09/24 Mon PM 08:47:53 GMT
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 Subject: Re: RE: PESO: Industrial Landscape
 
 Bob W wrote:
 
 I know what Peter Cook would say to that cow.
 
 Cook: Need I say with over much emphasis that it is in the leg
 division that you are deficient. 
 
 Moore: The leg division? 
 
 Cook: Yes, the leg division, Mr Spiggott. You are deficient in it to
 the tune of one. Your right leg, I like. I like your right leg. A
 lovely leg for the role. That's what I said when I saw you come in. I
 said, A lovely leg for the role. I've got nothing against your right
 leg. The trouble is - neither have you. 
 
 We do not believe the British public is ready for the sight of a 
 one-legged Tarzan swinging through the jungly tendrils
 
 One of my all-time favorites :)
 

His parody of the Prime Minister of the day would have earned him a nice little 
holiday in Cuba in present climes.


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Re: Processing very old color movie film?

2007-09-25 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/09/24 Mon PM 07:14:28 GMT
 To: PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Processing very old color movie film?
 
 My dad found an old movie camera recently, and he is almost completely 
 certain 
 it contains unprocessed color movie film of my mom bringing me home from the 
 hospital shortly after I was born in 1978.
 
 I know from experience at the lab I used to work at, that old color film 
 rarely 
 produces worthwhile results when processed, but my parents really want to try 
 with this stuff.  I'm not getting my hopes up, but it would be neat to see if 
 anything came out.
 
 Does anyone know of any companies in the US that might be able to process 
 this 
 film?  Here's what I know about it:
 
  - It's nearly 29 years old.
  - It is most likely color.
  - It's been stored in dark, cool places most of it's life.
 
 I don't know the brand, format (best guess is Kodak 8mm, since my dad has a 
 couple reels of that stuff in other boxes) or any other technical details.  
 The 
 film is still in the camera, so I may be able to learn more by checking any 
 settings on the camera itself.
 
 Any ideas or leads would be much appreciated.
 
 John Celio

This place advertises that they process old cine film.
http://www.processc22.co.uk/

There is also this place:
http://rockymountainfilm.com/


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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/09/24 Mon PM 09:06:04 GMT
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape
 
 On 24/09/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I know what Peter Cook would say to that cow.
 
 Cook: Need I say with over much emphasis that it is in the leg
 division that you are deficient. 
 
 Moore: The leg division? 
 
 Cook: Yes, the leg division, Mr Spiggott. You are deficient in it to
 the tune of one. Your right leg, I like. I like your right leg. A
 lovely leg for the role. That's what I said when I saw you come in. I
 said, A lovely leg for the role. I've got nothing against your right
 leg. The trouble is - neither have you. 
 
 --
  Bob
  
 
  -Original Message-
 
  Behalf Of Ralf R. Radermacher
 
  
  http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/10325452
 
 
 
 That cow gives me the horn.
 

That cow does not appear to be a cow.


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Re: Thinking of AF280T flash

2007-09-25 Thread Boris Liberman
Hmmm. I have AF220T flash. My K10D shows the flash charged sign in the
viewfinder.

HTH.

On 9/25/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
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  Date: 2007/09/24 Mon PM 03:08:07 GMT
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  Subject: Re: Thinking of AF280T flash
 
 
  On Sep 24, 2007, at 7:54 AM, William Robb wrote:
 
   ... If you can get a
   dedicated flash for Pentax that isn't TTL, and will talk to the
   electronics
   in the camera, I think that would be best from an ease of operation
   POV. ...
 
  As you suspect, there are no dedicated flash units that will talk to
  the Pentax K10D automation features in this manner. Either you get a
  fully dedicated flash like the Pentax AF540FGZ or you get a non-
  dedicated flash.

 On the DL2, the viewfinder charging/charged indicator works with the 280T and 
 other dedicated (Pentax's definition) flashes.  Is the 10D so different?


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RE: Thinking of AF280T flash

2007-09-25 Thread Jens Bladt
The AF280T is a very nice flash. Only, make sure you get one, which is able
to point backwards (later editions). This is very usefull when point the
cvamera slightly downwards, using the cieling for reflection. Especially
usefull for photographing flowers, tabletop subjects, a child in a crib or
cradle etc.
Mine is unfortunately the older type that doesn't do this.
Regards

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Hi!

I have AF220T unit which is a good flash, but it can only give me a
full discharge on K10D. I don't want to buy either 540th or 360th
flashes. They are too expensive and 360th does not swivel.

It seems that AF280T has both manual control on the power of discharge
and its own light sensor. Do you think it would be a reasonable flash
for K10D (in fully manual mode) that both tilts and swivels and can
measure light on its own for better exposure?

Anyone on the list using AF280T with their K10D? Anyone willing to enable
me?

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Re: PESO: Gourds

2007-09-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
?

On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:06 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 Now I just feel embarrassed.

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Another seasonal pic:
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Re: way OT: configuring a Mac for photo work

2007-09-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've done just fine with four external firewire drives on my Mac  
system. They're fast and reasonably reliable.  I would add one 500  
gig external to your system for now.
Paul
On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:18 AM, Amita Guha wrote:

 My PC laptop is on its last legs, and I'm not too into Vista, so I've
 decided to take the plunge and switch systems. (I know, I've never
 done that before). I've spent the last week or so researching Macs,
 and tonight I finally went to an Apple store, where I decided on a
 basic configuration: MacPro w/20 monitor.

 My question is, if the most resource-heavy work I'm going to do on
 this machine is run Lightroom and Photoshop, do I need a RAID? I
 usually store my images on a networked drive, but Nate says the system
 will run a lot faster with a RAID. I figured a 250gb drive and 4GB RAM
 would  be fine to start with. What do you guys think?

 Thanks in advance,
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Re: GESO - The Cabbagetown Blues

2007-09-25 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Frank

Both excellent shots (you're PS abilities aren't crude at all!).

I think the first one has more energy - in the second one he could be just 
talking to an unruly member of the audience.  A bit more work on the background 
and it will be great.



Cheers

Brian

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Quoting frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Paul posted a wonderful photo of a blues singer last week.  I
 mentioned that I had a few from a street festival, but that the a
 horrible background ruined every photo I managed to shoot.
 
 Paul's image inspired me to go back and take another look, and I
 think
 I managed to find a couple that I managed to tame the background
 somewhat.  As you can see, very harsh mid-day sun was also an
 issue,
 but given my crude PS abilities, I'm pleased with these two, taken
 a
 couple or three weeks ago at the Cabbagetown Street Festival:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2vo8r2
 
 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RveqicA-_fI/AvE/zdaBGuU1Xx8/s1600-h/sept_24+001.jpg
 
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2ssef7
 
 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RveqmMA-_gI/AvM/P8iJs9niMcM/s1600-h/sept_24+002.jpg
 
 Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.
 
 cheers,
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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

2007-09-25 Thread Brian Walters
Depends on the flammability of the sweaters


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Quoting Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 ... Aussies are wearing sweaters and putting on heaters!
 
 Do they put them on over or under the sweaters  ;-}
 
 Kenneth Waller
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 Subject: Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum
 
 
  Tom, take courage, it was 10 degrees here last night - us Aussies
 are 
  wearing sweaters and
  putting on heaters!
 
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Re: PESO: No boats

2007-09-25 Thread Brian Walters
Yeah, That's pretty bizarre.

In a similar vein, here's one I took on my recent travels around Nsw South 
Wales:

http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/IMGP6332x.jpg


Cheers

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Quoting cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I know you lot like a good goofy sign shot so I just couldn't
 resist this 
 one...
 http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835#199966144-L-LB
 
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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

That cow does not appear to be a cow.

That sentence gives me the horn.

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Re: Peso Just how wide is this thing

2007-09-25 Thread David J Brooks
Correct John, i was in one of the escort trucks. There were 6 prefab
loads in this run. Laws up here are one escort infront if its a two
lane road, one in the rear if multi lanes, but in Quebec you also have
to have a rear escort, but we were traveling so close that one covered
the other, and the official rear wscort just covered the last truck.

The cmpany we picked these up at is in Grimsby Ontario near Hamilton

Dave

On 9/24/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: ann sanfedele

  David J Brooks wrote:
 
  Sorry gang, one more from the trip.
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6451100
 
  These bridges were a suprise to them the first week, so they blocked
  up the loads a bit for week two and managed to get across a bit better
  with less damage. The curb is the same width as the load.
 
  K10D 16-45 and PSCS
 
  Dave
 
 
 
  another distaster waiting to happen shot - good timing - isn't that the 
  same beast that the lumber
  truck gave um wide birth to?

 I think he was driving/riding one of the escort vehicles.

 Down here in NC that pre-fab module would have a pilot vehicle in front
 of it with a WIDE LOAD sign on the front and a trail vehicle with a WIDE
 LOAD sign in the back ... and they'd have a special over-size permit
 that prescribed their route and what hours they could be on it.

 In fact, that pre-fab module looks like the ones they build down here in NC.

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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape
 
 On 25/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 That cow does not appear to be a cow.
 
 That sentence gives me the horn.
 

I can't think of an udder thing to say.


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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread David Savage
On 9/25/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 25/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

 That cow does not appear to be a cow.

 That sentence gives me the horn.

What udder nonsense.

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GESO: Photo Shoot #2

2007-09-25 Thread Jerome
Firstly, thanks to all who responded to my initial posting (Photo Shoot
#1) concerning the wedding I got to shoot a few weeks ago. Since then I
was so starved for another opportunity to shoot people again that I posted
an ad on craigslist for a free photo shoot. I got tons of responses but
unfortunately somehow ended up with a couple that was way younger than I
anticipated.

In any event, here's a few highlights from the outting:

http://www.exposedfilm.net/mandi/

Comments and criticism welcomed. You guys were great with the advice last
time around.
All the best,

  Jerome

PS... the website is under (re) construction, so please excuse the flash
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Re: way OT: configuring a Mac for photo work

2007-09-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Amita Guha wrote:

My PC laptop is on its last legs, and I'm not too into Vista, 

You're apparently not alone:
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Re: way OT: configuring a Mac for photo work

2007-09-25 Thread keith_w
Cotty wrote:
 On 25/09/07, Amita Guha, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 My PC laptop is on its last legs, and I'm not too into Vista, so I've
 decided to take the plunge and switch systems.


 http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/apple
 
 ;-)

How apropos!

My daughter is just getting ready for the transition.*
I know she'll love this little skit!

Thanks,

keith

(*) She will get my MDD G4, whilst I'll be getting an iMac, 20 2 Ghz Intel 
Core 2 Duo, with 2 GB RAM and a 250 GB Hard drive...
I was just waiting for a good reason, as you might iMagine!

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SV: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-25 Thread Jens Bladt
I'd love to have the M8, but until I can afford to spend more than a months
worth of wages on at camera - I'll stick to my trusty old Pseudo Leica - the
Leica CL :-)
BTW - the Panasonics are not too bad imagemakers (nice lenses) - but just
kinda cumbersome to handle:
http://flickr.com/photos/bladt/1085606405/in/set-72157601372352118/
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Leica PS cameras.  Aren't they just re-badged Panasonics?

Jim A.

 Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS that is
 10 megpxl?  I was looking at one the other day and it was priced at about
 500.00 and looked/felt pretty spiffy.

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PESO - Sightlines

2007-09-25 Thread frank theriault
Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.

http://tinyurl.com/2bagpu

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rvj7z8A-_hI/AvU/tnTLMbsopos/s1600-h/sept_25.jpg

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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread Derby Chang
David Savage wrote:
 On 9/25/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 On 25/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

 
 That cow does not appear to be a cow.
   
 That sentence gives me the horn.
 

 What udder nonsense.

 Cheers,

 Dave

   

You wag, you (yes, it's Good Food Month in Sydney again).

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Re: OT Image Repair V2

2007-09-25 Thread Perry Pellechia
John,
An image like yours with missing or erroneous data is where techniques
like maximum entropy (maxent)  or maximum likely hood algorithms are
necessary to reconstruct the missing bits.  I have no real experience
or suggestions but if I wanted to fix this image  I would start
researching this area.

Perry.

On 9/24/07, John Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok,  Gentlemen and Ladies,

 Here is the best I can do by reducing contrast.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhg2/

 Is this the endpoint?

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Re: PESO - Sightlines

2007-09-25 Thread keith_w
frank theriault wrote:
 Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2bagpu
 
 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rvj7z8A-_hI/AvU/tnTLMbsopos/s1600-h/sept_25.jpg
 
 cheers,
 frank

Nicely caught, Frank.

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Grand Prix K10D?

2007-09-25 Thread Peter Fairweather
This is as much a  monetary as a photographic question. I have found
the Grand Prix model of the K10D complete with upgraded software and
winder for less than £600.

Opinions seem divided here on the value of the winder. I've even seen
it blamed for VPN, but that was on another less knowledgeable forum.

Should I save £150 and buy the standard body or will the GP version be
a good investment at roughly £50 over the combined price of a standard
body and winder?

Your photographic thoughts and/or investment advice would be welcomed

Many thanks

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Re: Thinking of AF280T flash

2007-09-25 Thread P. J. Alling
I have one of each, (old and new versions). I don't find the ability to 
point the flash backwards to use ceilings as reflectors that useful, as 
the flash isn't really powerful enough. It's a nice idea, but needs 
roughly twice, (maybe more, I'm too lazy to do the math), the power 
output to be really useful.

Jens Bladt wrote:
 The AF280T is a very nice flash. Only, make sure you get one, which is able
 to point backwards (later editions). This is very usefull when point the
 cvamera slightly downwards, using the cieling for reflection. Especially
 usefull for photographing flowers, tabletop subjects, a child in a crib or
 cradle etc.
 Mine is unfortunately the older type that doesn't do this.
 Regards

 Jens Bladt

 http://www.jensbladt.dk
 +45 56 63 77 11
 +45 23 43 85 77
 Skype: jensbladt248

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 Emne: Thinking of AF280T flash


 Hi!

 I have AF220T unit which is a good flash, but it can only give me a
 full discharge on K10D. I don't want to buy either 540th or 360th
 flashes. They are too expensive and 360th does not swivel.

 It seems that AF280T has both manual control on the power of discharge
 and its own light sensor. Do you think it would be a reasonable flash
 for K10D (in fully manual mode) that both tilts and swivels and can
 measure light on its own for better exposure?

 Anyone on the list using AF280T with their K10D? Anyone willing to enable
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Re: PESO - Sightlines

2007-09-25 Thread Derby Chang
frank theriault wrote:
 Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.

 http://tinyurl.com/2bagpu

 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rvj7z8A-_hI/AvU/tnTLMbsopos/s1600-h/sept_25.jpg

 cheers,
 frank



   
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thumbs up from me (I'm not being very erudite when I say Blow Up is a 
fave movie of mine).

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New computer

2007-09-25 Thread Walter Hamler
Speaking of new computers  My house and studio took a major lighting
strike on Thurs. A lot of physical damage to the studio, blown out rear
wall, large hole in concrete slab, charred areas all over. The stereo that
was plugged in looks like a stick of dynamite went off inside!
In the house, I lost all the phones and lines, internet and cable tv system.
My desktop computer lost the monitor and Ethernet portion of the
motherboard. I have tried installing a separate 10/100 card but the computer
won't load drivers for some reason. 
Anyway, if I cannot get the internet working on the desktop, there is no
sense in replacing the monitor, so I will canabalize it and get a new
computer.
My question is, is it feasible to buy one of those external enclosures to
make an external HD using the sata drive that is in the old computer? Since
it is a sata drive, I was hoping that if I could enclose it and hook it to
either a desktop or my laptop, it might be a good external drive. If not, I
can always put it in the new computer as an extra drive.

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Re: PESO: Gourds

2007-09-25 Thread P. J. Alling
You'll understand when the next PUG is published, though maybe 
inadequate is the right word...

Paul Stenquist wrote:
 ?

 On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:06 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

   
 Now I just feel embarrassed.

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 Another seasonal pic:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6457664size=lg


   
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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread P. J. Alling
You sir are a sick man, (I'd say keep it up, but it seems you don't need 
the encouragement).

Cotty wrote:
 On 25/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
 That cow does not appear to be a cow.
 

 That sentence gives me the horn.

   


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Re: Spam: Grand Prix K10D?

2007-09-25 Thread Derby Chang
Peter Fairweather wrote:
 This is as much a  monetary as a photographic question. I have found
 the Grand Prix model of the K10D complete with upgraded software and
 winder for less than £600.

 Opinions seem divided here on the value of the winder. I've even seen
 it blamed for VPN, but that was on another less knowledgeable forum.

 Should I save £150 and buy the standard body or will the GP version be
 a good investment at roughly £50 over the combined price of a standard
 body and winder?

 Your photographic thoughts and/or investment advice would be welcomed

 Many thanks

 Peter

   
As that famous Aussie, Ozzie Wilde said  The only way to get rid of 
temptation is to yield to it. Get it. That's about what the GP version 
with batt pack is going for here as well. You won't remember the 50 quid 
in a month's time. Digital isn't an investment anyway. The longer you 
delay, the more you lose in opportunity cost.

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Re: New computer

2007-09-25 Thread Doug Franklin
Walter Hamler wrote:

 My question is, is it feasible to buy one of those external enclosures to
 make an external HD using the sata drive that is in the old computer? Since
 it is a sata drive, I was hoping that if I could enclose it and hook it to
 either a desktop or my laptop, it might be a good external drive. If not, I
 can always put it in the new computer as an extra drive.

Sure.  Get an enclosure with a e-SATA port.  You'll need an e-SATA port
on the computer end, too.  You'll have to check the motherboard specs to
see if it offers e-SATA.  If it doesn't, I think you can get a PCI card
that will provide an e-SATA port.

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Re: Grand Prix K10D?

2007-09-25 Thread David Savage
On 9/25/07, Peter Fairweather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is as much a  monetary as a photographic question. I have found
 the Grand Prix model of the K10D complete with upgraded software and
 winder for less than £600.

 Opinions seem divided here on the value of the winder. I've even seen
 it blamed for VPN, but that was on another less knowledgeable forum.

I like the grip. As for the whole VPN being caused by the grip thing,
it's a load of BS. I've had it occur with  without the grip.

 Should I save £150 and buy the standard body or will the GP version be
 a good investment at roughly £50 over the combined price of a standard
 body and winder?

 Your photographic thoughts and/or investment advice would be welcomed

Unless you keep it in the box and never use it, I wouldn't consider it
an investment.

My *istD was a Pentax/CR Kennedy (Pentax's Australian distributor)
50th anniversary edition. I've never consider it an investment.

If you really like the look of the GP edition, go for it. Otherwise
save the your money  put it towards, a new bag/extra memory etc.

Cheers,

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Re: OT Image Repair V2

2007-09-25 Thread David Savage
I'd recommend posting it to one of the various retouching forums (such
as DPReview)

There are some real wizards out there who I've seen rescue some really
badly damaged photos.

Cheers,

Dave

On 9/25/07, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 John,
 An image like yours with missing or erroneous data is where techniques
 like maximum entropy (maxent)  or maximum likely hood algorithms are
 necessary to reconstruct the missing bits.  I have no real experience
 or suggestions but if I wanted to fix this image  I would start
 researching this area.

 Perry.

 On 9/24/07, John Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ok,  Gentlemen and Ladies,
 
  Here is the best I can do by reducing contrast.
 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhg2/
 
  Is this the endpoint?
 
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Re: way OT: configuring a Mac for photo work

2007-09-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Unfortunately this happens every time MS decides to release new 
bloatwear. Anger followed by rejection then denial, (or is it denial 
then rejection), then acceptance. I can only hope that the intrusiveness 
and annoyances, (and shear arrogance MS), of Vista will make a dent big 
enough in the MS shield big enough that they'll learn something in the 
long run, (maybe the right lesson for a change), but I doubt it. Only an 
ATT solution will make a dent and the US Government has proven that it 
no longer has a clue about how to prove Monopoly status, or the courage 
to act, (in fact ATT was a better company when they were broken up than 
MS is today).

Mark Roberts wrote:
 Amita Guha wrote:

   
 My PC laptop is on its last legs, and I'm not too into Vista, 
 

 You're apparently not alone:
 http://www.news.com/The-XP-alternative-for-Vista-PCs/2100-1016_3-6209481.html?tag=item



   


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Re: Grand Prix K10D?

2007-09-25 Thread pnstenquist
I doubt that the Grand Prix nomenclature adds any value, but I am quite fond of 
the winder. I've become accustomed to using the winder controls when shooting 
vertical and wouldn't want to go back to the old reacharound. What's more, the 
extended battery life is a real bonus when shooting events or other volume 
intensive work.
Paul
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From: Peter Fairweather [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 This is as much a  monetary as a photographic question. I have found
 the Grand Prix model of the K10D complete with upgraded software and
 winder for less than £600.
 
 Opinions seem divided here on the value of the winder. I've even seen
 it blamed for VPN, but that was on another less knowledgeable forum.
 
 Should I save £150 and buy the standard body or will the GP version be
 a good investment at roughly £50 over the combined price of a standard
 body and winder?
 
 Your photographic thoughts and/or investment advice would be welcomed
 
 Many thanks
 
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Re: way OT: configuring a Mac for photo work

2007-09-25 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Amita Guha wrote:
 
 My PC laptop is on its last legs, and I'm not too into Vista, 
 
 You're apparently not alone:
 http://www.news.com/The-XP-alternative-for-Vista-PCs/2100-1016_3-6209481.html?tag=item
 
 
 
Vista has failed, unrecoverably (is that a word?), twice on my 7 month 
old laptop.  I know a handful of people who have had no difficulties 
with off-the-shelf Vista, which leads me to believe that it's probably 
HP's ad-ware bloated image.  After the first failure I ran Ubuntu Linux 
for several months without incident, switching back to Vista about a 
month ago because I have a scanner that doesn't play well with Linux. 
Yesterday the laptop wouldn't boot.  Again.  I tried installing XP, but 
it didn't see a hard disk.  A few quick google searches turned up 
instructions for disabling SATA native mode.  An illegal copy of XP is 
now installed and running very smoothly.

The way I see it, I paid for an OS when I bought this machine.  It's not 
my fault it doesn't work.  So screw 'em.  After all, they still have my 
money.

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Re: way OT: configuring a Mac for photo work

2007-09-25 Thread David Savage
I must be one of a small minority, I actually quite like Vista. There
are a few UI upgrades that I find very useful.

As much as I'd like to try out a Mac (if only to see what all the fuss
is about), I still like to play games now  then :-), and I'd have to
spend at least the cost of the computer again to upgrade software (and
not all the CAD stuff I use is even available).

Cheers,

Dave

On 9/25/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Unfortunately this happens every time MS decides to release new
 bloatwear. Anger followed by rejection then denial, (or is it denial
 then rejection), then acceptance. I can only hope that the intrusiveness
 and annoyances, (and shear arrogance MS), of Vista will make a dent big
 enough in the MS shield big enough that they'll learn something in the
 long run, (maybe the right lesson for a change), but I doubt it. Only an
 ATT solution will make a dent and the US Government has proven that it
 no longer has a clue about how to prove Monopoly status, or the courage
 to act, (in fact ATT was a better company when they were broken up than
 MS is today).

 Mark Roberts wrote:
  Amita Guha wrote:
 
 
  My PC laptop is on its last legs, and I'm not too into Vista,
 
 
  You're apparently not alone:
  http://www.news.com/The-XP-alternative-for-Vista-PCs/2100-1016_3-6209481.html?tag=item

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Re: way OT: configuring a Mac for photo work

2007-09-25 Thread Adam Maas
Scott Loveless wrote:
 Mark Roberts wrote:
 Amita Guha wrote:

 My PC laptop is on its last legs, and I'm not too into Vista, 
 You're apparently not alone:
 http://www.news.com/The-XP-alternative-for-Vista-PCs/2100-1016_3-6209481.html?tag=item



 Vista has failed, unrecoverably (is that a word?), twice on my 7 month 
 old laptop.  I know a handful of people who have had no difficulties 
 with off-the-shelf Vista, which leads me to believe that it's probably 
 HP's ad-ware bloated image.  After the first failure I ran Ubuntu Linux 
 for several months without incident, switching back to Vista about a 
 month ago because I have a scanner that doesn't play well with Linux. 
 Yesterday the laptop wouldn't boot.  Again.  I tried installing XP, but 
 it didn't see a hard disk.  A few quick google searches turned up 
 instructions for disabling SATA native mode.  An illegal copy of XP is 
 now installed and running very smoothly.
 
 The way I see it, I paid for an OS when I bought this machine.  It's not 
 my fault it doesn't work.  So screw 'em.  After all, they still have my 
 money.
 

HP's image is hideous, and their additional software is not 100% Vista 
compatible, no matter what they say. I didn't install anything but the drivers 
when I got my free upgrade for my HP laptop, and even those caused me trouble.

I'm one of the few having little in the way of trouble with Vista now (less 
than I had with XP). But that's because I went in and seriously stripped down 
what was running, MS's default install has all sorts of crap running that 
shouldn't be (Why the hell does a home machine-oriented install have the iSCSI 
SAN service running? Among other crap) and UAC is a travesty in UI design 
(first thing I turned off). The only real issue I have is that Vista won't let 
me uninstall the broken HP graphics drivers so I can install updated 
ATI-sourced drivers. But I suspect that's HP's fault, not MS's.

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Re: way OT: configuring a Mac for photo work

2007-09-25 Thread Scott Loveless
Adam Maas wrote:
 HP's image is hideous, and their additional software is not 100%
 Vista compatible, no matter what they say. I didn't install anything
 but the drivers when I got my free upgrade for my HP laptop, and even
 those caused me trouble.
 
 I'm one of the few having little in the way of trouble with Vista now
 (less than I had with XP). But that's because I went in and seriously
 stripped down what was running, MS's default install has all sorts of
 crap running that shouldn't be (Why the hell does a home
 machine-oriented install have the iSCSI SAN service running? Among
 other crap) and UAC is a travesty in UI design (first thing I turned
 off). The only real issue I have is that Vista won't let me uninstall
 the broken HP graphics drivers so I can install updated ATI-sourced
 drivers. But I suspect that's HP's fault, not MS's.
 
 -Adam
 
 
Yup.  There were a couple of HP applications (mostly crap that wanted to 
keep my peecee up to date) that just wouldn't go away.  Uninstalled. 
Removed them from the start up and services lists.  They'd still pop up 
at the most convenient times.

Typically, with any pre-installed OS, I gut as much of it as possible. 
UAC being the first thing to go, then all the other cruft.

I was finally able to boot Vista yesterday after running the start up 
recovery tool (had to drop the battery and unplug it to get to that 
point).  Turns out remote access manager was corrupt.  No networking. 
At all.  And not worth fixing.  Since installing XP, I finally have a 
responsive machine, and I can run my games at full resolution.  Vista 
forced me to dumb down the graphics.

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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Panasonic and Leica digital camera models are siblings (not the M8 or  
R9/DMR of course). Panasonic does the manufacturing, Leica provides  
the lens design, engineering collaboration on the lens manufacturing  
process and performance specs, quality assurance testing on the  
design and additional QA on the finished goods carrying their brand  
name/packaging. The D-Lux 3 is sibling to the Panasonic LX2, the V- 
Lux 1 is sibling to the Panasonic FZ50, and the Digilux 3 is sibling  
to the Panasonic L1.

On the earlier LX1/D-Lux 2 siblings, I owned the LX1 and compared it  
against a borrowed DLux 2. There were NO difference at all other than  
styling and Leicas branding/QA/warranty.

With the L1/Digilux3, Leica's specification for the in-camera JPEG  
rendering options is very different from Panasonic's. I have the L1,  
borrowed a Digilux3 and compared the RAW files on a standard target  
subject. There is no difference in the RAW data itself, but the  
metadata is somewhat different reflecting the JPEG processing  
differences. Only other difference is that the Leica model outputs  
DNG format RAW files, where the L1 puts out Panasonic RAW files (I  
convert them to DNG format on import to Lightroom). Since I never use  
JPEGs from the camera, the cameras are identical for my use.

I don't know whether the D Lux 3 or V Lux 1 have similar differences  
now.

I've had three Panasonic cameras (FZ10, LX1, and L1). All three have  
been excellent performers. The L1 in particular is a far better  
camera than the review press makes it out to be. The Leica siblings  
are similarly excellent performers. I'm not sure why Jens is saying  
that they're cumbersome to handle ... the FZ10 and L1 certainly are  
not, the LX1 was a little fiddly like most compact cameras of its  
size/design.

Yes, I'd like an M8 too. Body and Elmarit-M 24/2.8 ASPH lens, please.  
Definitely out of my salary bracket at the moment... ! ;-)

Godfrey


On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:13 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

 I'd love to have the M8, but until I can afford to spend more than  
 a months
 worth of wages on at camera - I'll stick to my trusty old Pseudo  
 Leica - the
 Leica CL :-)
 BTW - the Panasonics are not too bad imagemakers (nice lenses) -  
 but just
 kinda cumbersome to handle:
 http://flickr.com/photos/bladt/1085606405/in/set-72157601372352118/


 Leica PS cameras.  Aren't they just re-badged Panasonics?

 Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS  
 that is
 10 megpxl?  I was looking at one the other day and it was priced  
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darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread Scott Loveless
Hey, gang!

To those of you who have or have had a dedicated darkroom, how is/was it 
ventilated?  The darkroom plans are coming along, but I'm stuck on vent 
placement and whether I should include a fan blowing in, as well. 
Currently, I'm thinking about an exhaust fan at about chest level, 
centered on the wall over the sink.  Do you think another fan blowing 
into the room might help cut down on dust by providing some positive 
pressure?

FWIW, the room will be 8x8, in the basement, with a galley-style layout 
- a wet side opposite a dry side with space down the middle from the 
door to the opposite wall.

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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote:
 
 That cow does not appear to be a cow.
 That sentence gives me the horn.

 I can't think of an udder thing to say.
 
 Well, you usually milk something for al its worth...
 
Cud you possibly be any moo annoying?

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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread Cotty


 That cow does not appear to be a cow.
 
 That sentence gives me the horn.
 

I can't think of an udder thing to say.

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Re: Thinking of AF280T flash

2007-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My Nikon SB15 lit the flash ready signal on Nikon FM/FE bodies way  
back in the 1970s.

Lighting the flash ready signal is not the same as responding to the  
body's flash control protocol for  Flash EV Compensation, setting the  
exposure time and lens opening automatically, allowing HSS, etc, that  
are what a dedicated flash unit would imply. What Bill was looking  
for was a flash that would do those dedicated features while using  
its in-built Auto Flash sensor system, bypassing the P-TTL flash  
metering.

Perhaps the Metz units will do that with the right SCA module, but I  
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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Darkroom chemistry fumes are heavier than air. In the darkroom I had  
ages ago, a 6x9 foot sized room, I fitted a light-baffled exhaust fan  
of medium size at knee height to the side of the development  
chemistry work table and had two air inlets with micron filters on  
them at just below eye level on the facing wall opposite the enlarger  
and table. Another smaller light-baffled exhaust fan was mounted at  
the top corner of the room to help remove hot air.

This worked extremely well, and was similar to what the  
photofinishing lab I worked in had, in concept, although there the  
ventilation system was much more sophisticated.

I didn't have room for a galley style wet and dry room as you  
propose ... that extra 2 feet makes a big difference! I didn't have  
running water in the darkroom ... the sink was in the next room. I  
segregated the enlarger from the wet table with a plexiglass barrier  
to prevent chemistry from splashing over to the dry side.

Godfrey

On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:

 To those of you who have or have had a dedicated darkroom, how is/ 
 was it
 ventilated?  The darkroom plans are coming along, but I'm stuck on  
 vent
 placement and whether I should include a fan blowing in, as well.
 Currently, I'm thinking about an exhaust fan at about chest level,
 centered on the wall over the sink.  Do you think another fan blowing
 into the room might help cut down on dust by providing some positive
 pressure?

 FWIW, the room will be 8x8, in the basement, with a galley-style  
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Re: PESO: No boats

2007-09-25 Thread ann sanfedele
cbwaters wrote:

I know you lot like a good goofy sign shot so I just couldn't resist this 
one...
http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835#199966144-L-LB

Cory 


  

some of us anyway...
wonder what made you think so??? ;)

definitely chuckly-worthy but sad, too - hope your creek gets back to 
the level where the sign makes sense.

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Re: PESO -- Frank impersonator sighted in Newport RI

2007-09-25 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/22/2007 7:45:10 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ok, so I was looking  through some older files, and saw this one. I had 
forgotten about it. Shot  at 1600 ISO.
With all the talk of a Frank substitute at GFM this summer it  seemed 
like a  no-brainer.

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20falsefrankinnewport.ht
ml

Equipment:  Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 Limited

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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, you usually milk something for al its worth...

...until the cows come home.

Glad to see that my humble contribution has been such an inspiration to
you all.  :-)

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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread Kenneth Waller
 
 
 That cow does not appear to be a cow.
 
 That sentence gives me the horn.
 

I can't think of an udder thing to say.
 
 Well, you usually milk something for al its worth...

True, cream does rise to the top.

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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread pnstenquist
My darkroom doesn't have a vent, but it's quite a bit larger -- about 15 x 12. 
I would think that a fan blowing in would contribute to dust. In my experience 
it seems best to maintain still air, particularly while  film is drying.  
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Hey, gang!
 
 To those of you who have or have had a dedicated darkroom, how is/was it 
 ventilated?  The darkroom plans are coming along, but I'm stuck on vent 
 placement and whether I should include a fan blowing in, as well. 
 Currently, I'm thinking about an exhaust fan at about chest level, 
 centered on the wall over the sink.  Do you think another fan blowing 
 into the room might help cut down on dust by providing some positive 
 pressure?
 
 FWIW, the room will be 8x8, in the basement, with a galley-style layout 
 - a wet side opposite a dry side with space down the middle from the 
 door to the opposite wall.
 
 Thanks a lot, and much appreciated.
 
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Re: PESO - Sightlines

2007-09-25 Thread P. J. Alling
It looks like you paid them Frank. Nice composition.

frank theriault wrote:
 Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.

 http://tinyurl.com/2bagpu

 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rvj7z8A-_hI/AvU/tnTLMbsopos/s1600-h/sept_25.jpg

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Re: PESO: No boats

2007-09-25 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/24/2007 3:45:08 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I know you lot like a  good goofy sign shot so I just couldn't resist this  
one...
http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835#199966144-L-LB

Cory  



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Re: New computer

2007-09-25 Thread P. J. Alling
I believe that you can buy a SATA compatible external enclosure for your 
current drive. It should work just like any other USB device.

Walter Hamler wrote:
 Speaking of new computers  My house and studio took a major lighting
 strike on Thurs. A lot of physical damage to the studio, blown out rear
 wall, large hole in concrete slab, charred areas all over. The stereo that
 was plugged in looks like a stick of dynamite went off inside!
 In the house, I lost all the phones and lines, internet and cable tv system.
 My desktop computer lost the monitor and Ethernet portion of the
 motherboard. I have tried installing a separate 10/100 card but the computer
 won't load drivers for some reason. 
 Anyway, if I cannot get the internet working on the desktop, there is no
 sense in replacing the monitor, so I will canabalize it and get a new
 computer.
 My question is, is it feasible to buy one of those external enclosures to
 make an external HD using the sata drive that is in the old computer? Since
 it is a sata drive, I was hoping that if I could enclose it and hook it to
 either a desktop or my laptop, it might be a good external drive. If not, I
 can always put it in the new computer as an extra drive.

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Re: Grand Prix K10D?

2007-09-25 Thread Joseph Tainter
  Opinions seem divided here on the value of the winder. I've even seen
  it blamed for VPN, but that was on another less knowledgeable forum.

I like the grip. As for the whole VPN being caused by the grip thing,
it's a load of BS. I've had it occur with  without the grip.

-

This hasn't been discussed in a while. The sensor (or the sensor plus 
the Nucore A/D converter) apparently produce vertical pattern noise in 
all sensors, but only a few people find it noticeable, and only at high 
ISO. But it is there. I've seen apparently clean images dissected to 
show that, indeed, VPN is present, just not noticeable.

The grip apparently produces (or can produce) a different problem, 
called horizontal pattern noise. I'm not a grip user so I have no 
experience with it. Again, though, this doesn't seem to affect everyone, 
or at least not everyone notices it. I haven't seen posts on it in a 
while. I don't think it has been established whether every sample of the 
grip produces this, but most often unnoticeably, or whether only a few 
do so.

So the patterned noise business is a matter of luck--if you are unlucky 
your sample of the gear may show it to a noticeable degee. If you are 
lucky you won't see it.

I have a pretty good K10D, but my luck ran out recently when my first 
DA* 50-135 F2.8 arrived with a loose optical element rattling around 
inside like a marble. Pentax sent me a replacement right away.

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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread ann sanfedele
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

Been quite busy, lately, among other things with a small series of
enablements for capturing audio to go with my photographs. More on that
later.

Here's one I took on Sunday in Belgium:

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/10325452

As always, your comments and suggestions...   :-)

Ralf

  

I hope the beast didn't attack you!   made me smile.

I like it except for the white sky - but not much you could have done 
about that without faking it in PS - I doubt the cow would
wait until the golden hour.  

would I be apt to laugh even more if the letters on the building were 
translated? or is it just a name?  
Makes me want to know if the word, even if a name, makes the cow being 
there more ironic or appopriate.

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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Kenneth Waller wrote:

 That cow does not appear to be a cow.
 
 That sentence gives me the horn.
 

I can't think of an udder thing to say.
 
 Well, you usually milk something for all its worth...

True, cream does rise to the top.

Especially when we have someone to cut through the bull and steer us in 
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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread Charles Robinson
On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:32, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Darkroom chemistry fumes are heavier than air.

Speaking of fumes

My darkroom when I had one wasn't ventilated at all, but all of the  
chemicals for BW seemed pretty tame in terms of noxiousness (is that  
a word?)

But has anyone ever had the joy of working with Cibachrome?  I did  
some Cibachrome work back in the early 80's when I had access to a  
pretty slick darkroom for almost no money.   The stench coming out of  
the drum after processing that paper was enough to knock you  
backwards if you got too close and inhaled too deeply.

Luckily, I was only 17 years old so I was invincible and couldn't be  
hurt by breathing bad chemical fumes.  :-)

I'm not so sure that with an 8x8 room you really need to worry too  
much about circulating/ventilating.  As someone else mentioned, if  
you're blowing air around you're just more likely to stir up dust.

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Re: GESO: Photo Shoot #2

2007-09-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
The best part overall is that you were able to show some genuine spark
between them.  That is half the battle.

When shooting people in poses (even casual) little things count.  In
the shots where she is kind of looking over his shoulder (several of
them), it would be better to actually have her lean out and come
around just a little more.  His face obscures hers just a little too
much.  Basically you are tying to put the faces on about the same
plane.  It also helps for relative sizes of the faces.  A little more
like this:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/kuresa_0050a.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Steele/steele_0391.htm

The third shot - what I call the near/far shot seems a little
disjointed - basically two people showing no interest in each other.
I would usually have the far one look at the near one in some kind of
loving gaze like this:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Latham/latham_0314.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Bullock/bullock_0127.htm

Remember that there is no single way to do things.  These are just
some suggestions.  I think it is a great idea you had to be able to
get some practice without expectations being too high.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 4:12:34 AM, you wrote:

J Firstly, thanks to all who responded to my initial posting (Photo Shoot
J #1) concerning the wedding I got to shoot a few weeks ago. Since then I
J was so starved for another opportunity to shoot people again that I posted
J an ad on craigslist for a free photo shoot. I got tons of responses but
J unfortunately somehow ended up with a couple that was way younger than I
J anticipated.

J In any event, here's a few highlights from the outting:

J http://www.exposedfilm.net/mandi/

J Comments and criticism welcomed. You guys were great with the advice last
J time around.
J All the best,

J   Jerome

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Re: PESO - Sightlines

2007-09-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
Good capture there, Frank!  I like it.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 5:17:44 AM, you wrote:

ft Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.

ft http://tinyurl.com/2bagpu

ft 
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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-25 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

On 9/25/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Panasonic and Leica digital camera models are siblings (not the M8 or
 R9/DMR of course). Panasonic does the manufacturing, Leica provides
 the lens design, engineering collaboration on the lens manufacturing
 process and performance specs, quality assurance testing on the
 design and additional QA on the finished goods carrying their brand
 name/packaging. The D-Lux 3 is sibling to the Panasonic LX2, the V-
 Lux 1 is sibling to the Panasonic FZ50, and the Digilux 3 is sibling
 to the Panasonic L1.

Godfrey, you say that Panasonic does manufacturing. Does it include
the lenses too? If so, basically it means that when a lens on
Panasonic camera says Leica it is essentially Panasonic made. Or may
be I misunderstand you?!

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Re: Grand Prix K10D?

2007-09-25 Thread P. J. Alling
If you need, or just plan on buying, the vertical at some time in the 
future. I expect that the package will save you money. There is no real 
difference between the Special Edition and the Standard Edition as far 
as I know that will actually enhance either you picture taking 
experience or future resale value.

Peter Fairweather wrote:
 This is as much a  monetary as a photographic question. I have found
 the Grand Prix model of the K10D complete with upgraded software and
 winder for less than £600.

 Opinions seem divided here on the value of the winder. I've even seen
 it blamed for VPN, but that was on another less knowledgeable forum.

 Should I save £150 and buy the standard body or will the GP version be
 a good investment at roughly £50 over the combined price of a standard
 body and winder?

 Your photographic thoughts and/or investment advice would be welcomed

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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Gee, I wish I could be so lavish with space for a BW darkroom. I don't 
think you'll need a fan blowing air in as well as one for exhaust. You 
should however have a baffled entrance where fresh air can enter, 
probably at least minimally filtered to keep out the larger clumps of dust.

Scott Loveless wrote:
 Hey, gang!

 To those of you who have or have had a dedicated darkroom, how is/was it 
 ventilated?  The darkroom plans are coming along, but I'm stuck on vent 
 placement and whether I should include a fan blowing in, as well. 
 Currently, I'm thinking about an exhaust fan at about chest level, 
 centered on the wall over the sink.  Do you think another fan blowing 
 into the room might help cut down on dust by providing some positive 
 pressure?

 FWIW, the room will be 8x8, in the basement, with a galley-style layout 
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Re: GESO: Photo Shoot #2

2007-09-25 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/25/2007 4:12:59 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Firstly, thanks to all  who responded to my initial posting (Photo Shoot
#1) concerning the wedding I  got to shoot a few weeks ago. Since then I
was so starved for another  opportunity to shoot people again that I posted
an ad on craigslist for a  free photo shoot. I got tons of responses but
unfortunately somehow ended up  with a couple that was way younger than I
anticipated.

In any event,  here's a few highlights from the  outting:

http://www.exposedfilm.net/mandi/

Comments and criticism  welcomed. You guys were great with the advice last
time around.
All the  best,

Jerome

PS... the website is under (re) construction,  so please excuse the flash
components if they are still a bit  clunky.


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Doesn't hurt they are young and cute, either.  :-)

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Re: Grand Prix K10D?

2007-09-25 Thread Tom Cakalic
From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I like the grip. As for the whole VPN being caused by the grip thing,
it's a load of BS. I've had it occur with  without the grip.

-

This hasn't been discussed in a while. The sensor (or the sensor plus
the Nucore A/D converter) apparently produce vertical pattern noise in
all sensors, but only a few people find it noticeable, and only at high
ISO. But it is there. I've seen apparently clean images dissected to
show that, indeed, VPN is present, just not noticeable.

The grip apparently produces (or can produce) a different problem,
called horizontal pattern noise. I'm not a grip user so I have no
experience with it. Again, though, this doesn't seem to affect everyone,
or at least not everyone notices it. I haven't seen posts on it in a
while. I don't think it has been established whether every sample of the
grip produces this, but most often unnoticeably, or whether only a few
do so.

So the patterned noise business is a matter of luck--if you are unlucky
your sample of the gear may show it to a noticeable degee. If you are
lucky you won't see it.

Joe


Technical aspects aside, as with photography in general, if VPN or HPN is 
present, and if it's noticed, probably often depends on how one 'sees', 
i.e., is the photographer looking at their work with a critical eye or are 
they blushingly viewing it with self-adoration?  If the latter, they might 
not notice.  If the former, they may indeed.

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Re: PESO - Sightlines

2007-09-25 Thread pnstenquist
Very nice composition. Looks a little dark overall on my work computer (which 
is usually a little bright overall). But an excellent shot.
Paul


 frank theriault wrote:
  Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.
 
  http://tinyurl.com/2bagpu
 
  
 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rvj7z8A-_hI/AvU/tnTLMbsopos/s1600-h/
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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-25 Thread Amita Guha
On 9/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's a Panasonic LX2 if it's the pocket one, not sure which Panasonic the EVF 
 one is rebadged from. Supposedly quite a nice camera. Cheaper without the Red 
 Dot too.

I have the Leica D-Lux 3 (which is also the Panny LX2 - I thought it
looked better without the ugly grip on the front.) Great little camera
- lots of fun to use. The sensor can be a little noisy at ISO 400 but
I'm happy with it overall. Here are some boring sample shots:
http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p1071070963

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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread pnstenquist
I processed cibachrome in the seventies. Awful. But nice results. However, it 
usually took me four or five sheets of paper to get a nice print using CC 
filters. Lots of work. I suspect it might be an urban legend, but I heard that 
the guy who invented cibachrome died from too much contact with the chemistry.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:32, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
  Darkroom chemistry fumes are heavier than air.
 
 Speaking of fumes
 
 My darkroom when I had one wasn't ventilated at all, but all of the  
 chemicals for BW seemed pretty tame in terms of noxiousness (is that  
 a word?)
 
 But has anyone ever had the joy of working with Cibachrome?  I did  
 some Cibachrome work back in the early 80's when I had access to a  
 pretty slick darkroom for almost no money.   The stench coming out of  
 the drum after processing that paper was enough to knock you  
 backwards if you got too close and inhaled too deeply.
 
 Luckily, I was only 17 years old so I was invincible and couldn't be  
 hurt by breathing bad chemical fumes.  :-)
 
 I'm not so sure that with an 8x8 room you really need to worry too  
 much about circulating/ventilating.  As someone else mentioned, if  
 you're blowing air around you're just more likely to stir up dust.
 
   -Charles
 
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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-25 Thread Amita Guha
On 9/25/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Godfrey, you say that Panasonic does manufacturing. Does it include
 the lenses too? If so, basically it means that when a lens on
 Panasonic camera says Leica it is essentially Panasonic made. Or may
 be I misunderstand you?!

Panasonic makes the electronics but Leica makes the glass for all
Panny or Leica cameras as far as I know. Nate has had 2 Panny digicams
and I have the Leica D-Lux 3 and they've all been labeled as having
Leica glass.

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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/25/2007 8:34:03 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Glad to see that my humble  contribution has been such an inspiration to
you all.   :-)

Ralf


It's not a bad photo, but it lacks your  usual zing.

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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread Scott Loveless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My darkroom doesn't have a vent, but it's quite a bit larger -- about
 15 x 12. I would think that a fan blowing in would contribute to
 dust. In my experience it seems best to maintain still air,
 particularly while  film is drying. Paul
 
That makes sense.  I may just install a fan near the sink and only turn 
it on when I'm actually developing prints in trays.

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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread Scott Loveless
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 Darkroom chemistry fumes are heavier than air. In the darkroom I had  
 ages ago, a 6x9 foot sized room, I fitted a light-baffled exhaust fan  
 of medium size at knee height to the side of the development  
 chemistry work table and had two air inlets with micron filters on  
 them at just below eye level on the facing wall opposite the enlarger  
 and table. Another smaller light-baffled exhaust fan was mounted at  
 the top corner of the room to help remove hot air.
 
 This worked extremely well, and was similar to what the  
 photofinishing lab I worked in had, in concept, although there the  
 ventilation system was much more sophisticated.
 
 I didn't have room for a galley style wet and dry room as you  
 propose ... that extra 2 feet makes a big difference! I didn't have  
 running water in the darkroom ... the sink was in the next room. I  
 segregated the enlarger from the wet table with a plexiglass barrier  
 to prevent chemistry from splashing over to the dry side.
 
 Godfrey
 
 
Thanks, Godfrey.  Not sure if I'll go to those lengths for ventilation - 
probably just one inlet and one exhaust.

I originally wanted to shoehorn the darkroom into a corner of the 
basement that's currently occupied by a toilet and sink.  But the more I 
looked at that space, the more I realized it just wouldn't be what I 
wanted.  And I'm tired of making do with crap.  So it's (hopefully) 
getting it's own room with plumbing.  It will be next to the laundry 
area so it shouldn't be too hard to run supply and drain lines.

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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread Scott Loveless
Charles Robinson wrote:
 On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:32, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 Darkroom chemistry fumes are heavier than air.
 
 Speaking of fumes
 
 My darkroom when I had one wasn't ventilated at all, but all of the  
 chemicals for BW seemed pretty tame in terms of noxiousness (is that  
 a word?)

I don't think BW chemicals really need ventilation, either, especially 
with the (lack of) volume I'll be printing.  But it can get stuffy down 
there.
 
 But has anyone ever had the joy of working with Cibachrome?  I did  
 some Cibachrome work back in the early 80's when I had access to a  
 pretty slick darkroom for almost no money.   The stench coming out of  
 the drum after processing that paper was enough to knock you  
 backwards if you got too close and inhaled too deeply.
 
I'd love to try.  It looks expensive, though, so I probably won't. 
Besides, I already have a very nice cibachrome print from Ann.  That'll 
have to do.


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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread David Savage
On 9/25/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kenneth Waller wrote:

  That cow does not appear to be a cow.
 
  That sentence gives me the horn.
 
 
 I can't think of an udder thing to say.
 
  Well, you usually milk something for all its worth...
 
 True, cream does rise to the top.

 Especially when we have someone to cut through the bull and steer us in
 the right direction.

It's a good thing we do, the steaks are pretty high. If we didn't we'd
all have to gird our sirloins.

Cheers,

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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread David Savage
I never had an exhaust fan in my darkroom (BW), But it was quite a
large room  the chemical fumes are pretty mild.

Cheers,

Dave.

On 9/26/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey, gang!

 To those of you who have or have had a dedicated darkroom, how is/was it
 ventilated?  The darkroom plans are coming along, but I'm stuck on vent
 placement and whether I should include a fan blowing in, as well.
 Currently, I'm thinking about an exhaust fan at about chest level,
 centered on the wall over the sink.  Do you think another fan blowing
 into the room might help cut down on dust by providing some positive
 pressure?

 FWIW, the room will be 8x8, in the basement, with a galley-style layout
 - a wet side opposite a dry side with space down the middle from the
 door to the opposite wall.

 Thanks a lot, and much appreciated.

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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread Mat Maessen
On 9/25/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To those of you who have or have had a dedicated darkroom, how is/was it
 ventilated?  The darkroom plans are coming along, but I'm stuck on vent
 placement and whether I should include a fan blowing in, as well.
 Currently, I'm thinking about an exhaust fan at about chest level,
 centered on the wall over the sink.  Do you think another fan blowing
 into the room might help cut down on dust by providing some positive
 pressure?

Positive pressure will only increase the amount of dust moving around
in the room. What you probably want is a fan blowing outwards on one
side of the room, and a light-trapped intake vent at the opposite end
of the room, with a dust filter on it. Seal up the cracks in the room
tight (you should be doing this for light-tightness anyway), and
you'll be fairly well off for dust. If the floor is bare concrete,
either put down a tile floor over it, or seal/paint it with a
chemical-resistant epoxy paint. If it's wood, treat it like a bathroom
floor in terms of tiling.

I very much light the wet side/dry side arrangement in a darkroom.
When I finally own a house and build one out, I'll be looking for a
stainless steel restaurant-style wash sink, long and low, for my
developing trays and rinse bath. Keeps the spills and drips contained,
and makes cleanup a snap.

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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote:
 Gee, I wish I could be so lavish with space for a BW darkroom. 
Me, too.  I've never had one before, so I figured I should do it right 
with the space I have.  The budget currently allows for stealing 
materials from construction and demolition sites.  I'll probably buy new 
drywall.

 I don't 
 think you'll need a fan blowing air in as well as one for exhaust. You 
 should however have a baffled entrance where fresh air can enter, 
 probably at least minimally filtered to keep out the larger clumps of dust.
 
I may put the vent in the wall instead of the door, but it will be 
there.  Thanks!


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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 would I be apt to laugh even more if the letters on the building were
 translated? or is it just a name?  

It's one of those funny new names companies give themselves all over the
world. I'll never understand why they think we could distinguish them
any better if they shed their household names, that generations of us
have grown up with, for something quite nondescript, vaguely latin, and
not even remotely hinting at their activity. 

Arcelor (or Mittal-Arcelor, as they call themselves now, formerly known
to the locals as Esperance-Longdoz, Cockerill-Sambre, and Usinor, in
this order) is the world's biggest steelmaker. Hope this message reaches
you before they change their name yet again. 

Deutsche Steinkohle AG (literally German Coal Inc.) are just spending
millions on a campaign to tell us that they're now calling themselves
Evonik. Brilliant, isn't it.

 Makes me want to know if the word, even if a name, makes the cow being
 there more ironic or appopriate.

Not really. Maybe I'll take a photo of another cow, next weekend, in
front of the SOCIETE COOPERATIVE AGRICOLE de la MEUSE in nearby Andenne.
They have their acronym proudly displayed in large letters on the
outside of their building. :-o

Just around the corner is another one that makes me grin whenever I
drive along: Farniente Ltd., a lasagne factory. :-)

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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-25 Thread P. J. Alling
That's a fairly nice collection of photographs. (So some were just 
record shots, but some showed a lot of imagination).

Amita Guha wrote:
 On 9/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 It's a Panasonic LX2 if it's the pocket one, not sure which Panasonic the 
 EVF one is rebadged from. Supposedly quite a nice camera. Cheaper without 
 the Red Dot too.
 

 I have the Leica D-Lux 3 (which is also the Panny LX2 - I thought it
 looked better without the ugly grip on the front.) Great little camera
 - lots of fun to use. The sensor can be a little noisy at ISO 400 but
 I'm happy with it overall. Here are some boring sample shots:
 http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p1071070963

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OT - Pythonesque 2

2007-09-25 Thread Cotty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNLQY3bQyaMe

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Re: PESO - Sightlines

2007-09-25 Thread ann sanfedele
frank theriault wrote:

Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.

http://tinyurl.com/2bagpu

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rvj7z8A-_hI/AvU/tnTLMbsopos/s1600-h/sept_25.jpg

cheers,
frank

  

Intersting shot - they don't look real... look like maniquins --
nice geometry --  

I think I know where you took that but I forgot its name.

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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

2007-09-25 Thread ann sanfedele
Cotty wrote:

  

That cow does not appear to be a cow.


That sentence gives me the horn.

  

I can't think of an udder thing to say.



Well, you usually milk something for al its worth...

  

Guess someone gave him a bum steer




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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

2007-09-25 Thread ann sanfedele
John Graves wrote:

Ann,

Isn't that one of those big machines that punch out keys automatically?  
They are big, heavy and noisey.  Just the thing for this group  (8).

John G.


oy  - ann points to IBM card -   figures John must be young



ann sanfedele wrote:
  

Rick Womer wrote:

  


Didn't find a time machine, just lost my ability to
type accurately.  That should have been 2004!
 


  

Ahha!  Rick uses the number pad to type numbers  - he probably even 
remembers what
a keypunch is.

ann

  


--- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 


  

I chose something from November 2007.
 


  

Found a time machine have we ?

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


- Original Message - 
From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum


   

  


Okay, I submitted a PUG.  It had -nothing- to do
 


  

with
   

  


Scott's threats.  Honest.  Really.  Nerves of
 


  

steel.
   

  


A paucity of digital autumn pix caused me to dive
 


  

into
   

  


my slides for the first time in months.  I chose
something from November 2007.  Boy, am I ever out
 


  

of
   

  


practice with scanning!

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Re: darkroom ventilation

2007-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:

 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 Darkroom chemistry fumes are heavier than air. In the darkroom I had
 ages ago, a 6x9 foot sized room, I fitted a light-baffled exhaust fan
 of medium size at knee height to the side of the development
 chemistry work table and had two air inlets with micron filters on
 them at just below eye level on the facing wall opposite the enlarger
 and table. Another smaller light-baffled exhaust fan was mounted at
 the top corner of the room to help remove hot air.

 This worked extremely well, and was similar to what the
 photofinishing lab I worked in had, in concept, although there the
 ventilation system was much more sophisticated.

 I didn't have room for a galley style wet and dry room as you
 propose ... that extra 2 feet makes a big difference! I didn't have
 running water in the darkroom ... the sink was in the next room. I
 segregated the enlarger from the wet table with a plexiglass barrier
 to prevent chemistry from splashing over to the dry side.

 Godfrey


 Thanks, Godfrey.  Not sure if I'll go to those lengths for  
 ventilation -
 probably just one inlet and one exhaust.

 I originally wanted to shoehorn the darkroom into a corner of the
 basement that's currently occupied by a toilet and sink.  But the  
 more I
 looked at that space, the more I realized it just wouldn't be what I
 wanted.  And I'm tired of making do with crap.  So it's (hopefully)
 getting it's own room with plumbing.  It will be next to the laundry
 area so it shouldn't be too hard to run supply and drain lines.

It wasn't very hard to do, Scott. A squirrel-cage fan in a box with  
some padding (to keep it quiet) costs about $20 to put together, just  
cut a hole in the wall to vent it outside the room. For the inlets,  
similarly a hole in the wall, a bit of screening and a micron air  
filter (like for a hospital vacuum cleaner) with a little box around  
it to baffle any light. I think fitting the ventilation stuff in that  
darkroom cost me a total of $50 (today's money) and about an hour's  
time. One inlet is plenty, really. A top exhaust for heat in a  
basement isn't necessary. :-)

For BW work, all I really need in water supply is
- water to make my solutions
- a sink to wash things up after using them
- to do the film final wash.
Having the sink in the next room was perfectly convenient for all of  
that. It was a bit of a pain to work with for print washing, but I  
would no longer do that even if I do film.

Nowadays, what little darkroom work I do is done in the kitchen with  
a light tent for loading film processing tanks. I have a roll of  
TX120 sitting here on my desk from several months ago ... perhaps I  
should soup it today.

Godfrey

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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

2007-09-25 Thread ann sanfedele
John Graves wrote:

Attempt 2 at humor.  I won't repeat what my wife says.   John G.

How many people understand the phrase I just dropped the deck and 
sorter is down?

John
  


ah you DO know what a keypunch is!  --
(I'm late getting back to this )

I have lots of stories about those days... among them was from my boss 
who once worked for the
palce where they processeed SAT's  - He had a sorter jamb and a couple 
of thousand kids had to take
the exams over... most of they were probably glad.

I think I'll have to add my 'GOOD OLD DAYS  t shirt design to my 
cafepress store

ann

ann sanfedele wrote:
  

Rick Womer wrote:

  


Didn't find a time machine, just lost my ability to
type accurately.  That should have been 2004!
 


  

Ahha!  Rick uses the number pad to type numbers  - he probably even 
remembers what
a keypunch is.

ann

  


--- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 


  

I chose something from November 2007.
 


  

Found a time machine have we ?

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


- Original Message - 
From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum


   

  


Okay, I submitted a PUG.  It had -nothing- to do
 


  

with
   

  


Scott's threats.  Honest.  Really.  Nerves of
 


  

steel.
   

  


A paucity of digital autumn pix caused me to dive
 


  

into
   

  


my slides for the first time in months.  I chose
something from November 2007.  Boy, am I ever out
 


  

of
   

  


practice with scanning!

Rick



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Re: OT - Pythonesque 2

2007-09-25 Thread Christian
Cotty wrote:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNLQY3bQyaMe
 

Now THAT'S funny!

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RE: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

2007-09-25 Thread Y. Rowe
All I can say is that things like that are what earn folks their die-hard
status on Pentaxians.com! Thank heavens my LBA isn't so severe and that lens
isn't located in the States. Anyhoo, DH is still recovering from my last
spree. :-)

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 And this is a M serie? hehe :)
 
 2007/9/25, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Not giving anything away since it's a buy it now, but heres something to
  point to if someone says Pentax doesn't have any long lenses available.
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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:10 AM, Amita Guha wrote:

 Godfrey, you say that Panasonic does manufacturing. Does it include
 the lenses too? If so, basically it means that when a lens on
 Panasonic camera says Leica it is essentially Panasonic made. Or may
 be I misunderstand you?!

 Panasonic makes the electronics but Leica makes the glass for all
 Panny or Leica cameras as far as I know. Nate has had 2 Panny digicams
 and I have the Leica D-Lux 3 and they've all been labeled as having
 Leica glass.

In simple terms the answer to Boris' question is yes: Panasonic is  
manufacturing the lenses used in both Panasonic and Leica digital  
cameras. Is this a great surprise? Leica has had their lenses  
manufactured by Minolta, Tamron and others in the past. The  
manufacture of complex mechanical-electro-optical devices is a global  
business.

More specifically, Leica designs the lenses' optics then works with  
Panasonic on the manufacturing process. The glass lens elements are  
delivered from Leica to Panasonic, then Panasonic's production line  
assembles them with the mounts and electronics required. Products  
that are certified and branded with Leica's name, whether in the  
fixed lens digicams or for the DSLRs, have been manufactured after  
meeting Leica and Panasonic's agreed upon performance specification.  
A Leica controlled Development and Quality team is housed at  
Panasonic's manufacturing and engineering facilities.

Post-manufacture, camera and lens units to be sold in Leica packaging  
with the Leica brand name and warranty are shipped to Leica, Germany  
for further, post production QA and packaging. These units have to  
meet higher quality control standards, a greater percentage of them  
are given reworks or returned to the factory for reclamation. It's  
one of the reasons why the Leica models have a higher price, aside  
from the brand's perceived market value-add.

Modern 4/3 System interchangeable lenses and compact digital camera  
manufacture is very complex and requires a fully integrated approach  
to the manufacturing/assembly process to be profitable and produce  
consistently good units. There are a lot of electronics in even the  
4/3 system lenses ... each of my Olympus and Panasonic/Leica lenses  
has servomotors to drive both aperture and focusing mechanisms, a cpu  
and flash memory storage to handle the camera-lens control operation,  
etc. The classical image of a lens making craftsman with a lathe,  
grinder and optical bench are long past ... !

This is quite similar to the relationship that Zeiss and Kyocera had  
with regard to the Contax line of 35mm and 645 cameras/lenses, and  
similar to what Zeiss does with Sony today. Zeiss also has  
relationships with Cosina for lens and camera production on the Zeiss  
Ikon camera and lens line, and the new Zeiss SLR lenses for Nikon,  
Pentax, etc. Business as usual in today's global marketplace.

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Re: Grand Prix K10D?

2007-09-25 Thread pnstenquist

 
 Technical aspects aside, as with photography in general, if VPN or HPN is 
 present, and if it's noticed, probably often depends on how one 'sees', 
 i.e., is the photographer looking at their work with a critical eye or are 
 they blushingly viewing it with self-adoration?  If the latter, they might 
 not notice.  If the former, they may indeed.
 

But, in most cases I've seen, not without pixel peeping. 

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Re: Grand Prix K10D?

2007-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Peter Fairweather wrote:

 This is as much a  monetary as a photographic question. I have found
 the Grand Prix model of the K10D complete with upgraded software and
 winder for less than £600.

 Opinions seem divided here on the value of the winder. I've even seen
 it blamed for VPN, but that was on another less knowledgeable forum.

 Should I save £150 and buy the standard body or will the GP version be
 a good investment at roughly £50 over the combined price of a standard
 body and winder?

 Your photographic thoughts and/or investment advice would be welcomed

I have no idea whether there's any investment value to a special  
edition K10D body. I had the winder but never used it, found it made  
the camera heavy and bulky unnecessarily. I've never seen any VPN  
from my K10D.

Personally, I'd go with the heart on this kind of thing. I own two  
special edition cameras, supposedly collectibles, but to me they're  
just pretty versions of the same thing I'd have gotten otherwise and  
not otherwise more valuable or a better investment: I just liked them.

I normally buy a camera based on its value for my use, the cheaper I  
can get it for the better.

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Re: PESO - Sightlines

2007-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:17 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.

 http://tinyurl.com/2bagpu

Nice one. A little muddy on the darker values, you could fix that  
easily with a curves adjustment layer and some masking.

Godfrey

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Re: Peso Stack o sticks

2007-09-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Oh that's a messy picture Doug!  Regards,  Bob S.

On 9/24/07, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 William Robb wrote:

  I saw one on Saturday, though not as exciting as that. [...]

 My favorite was about 25 years ago.  I was headed up I-95 northbound
 from Brunswick, GA, past Charleston, SC, to I-26 and home.  That stretch
 of I-95 runs mostly through coastal lowlands and marshes.  So, it's long
 straight flat stretches intermittently interrupted by low ridges for
 the overpasses.

 There was a truck a mile or two ahead of me loaded with chicken cages
 going to the processing plant.  If you've never seen one of these, the
 cages are rectangular solids about two-feet square on the bottom and
 maybe 9 or 10 inches tall.  And they stack them ten or twelve or so
 layers deep on a flatbed rig to haul them.

 Well, anyway. This truck is almost exactly one ridge ahead of me.  For
 several miles, just as I'm topping one of those overpass ridges, I see
 him topping the next one.  Then I don't see him until I top the next ridge.

 So, this goes on for like five ridges, then we reach an area where I-95
 goes under the crossing road instead of going over it.  And that truck
 is loaded about two layers of cages deeper than the overpass is tall.

 Just as I topped the last hill before that bridge, he's out of sight,
 but I see this HUGE white cloud envelop the bridge.  Uh oh!  I knew what
 just happened, so I parked on the side of the highway for a few minutes
 to let the debris cloud settle.  Good thing I did, too.

 When I got there about ten minutes later, the mess was unimaginable.
 And the cars who'd whipped past me while I waited for the cloud to
 settle were now parked just beyond the mess picking feathers and
 entrails off their cars.  I did have to hose the car off a couple of
 miles down the road, but it was no big deal compared to what /those/
 folks had to deal with. :-)

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Re: New computer

2007-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:59 AM, Walter Hamler wrote:

 My question is, is it feasible to buy one of those external  
 enclosures to
 make an external HD using the sata drive that is in the old  
 computer? Since
 it is a sata drive, I was hoping that if I could enclose it and  
 hook it to
 either a desktop or my laptop, it might be a good external drive.  
 If not, I
 can always put it in the new computer as an extra drive.

Yes. There are plenty of drive enclosures available that allow you to  
use SATA drive, with USB 2.0 and/or FireWire (both 400 and 800  
flavor) interfaces. I would get an enclosure that includes all three  
interfaces, if possible.

Godfrey

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Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

2007-09-25 Thread Bob Blakely
All reflex are M or K. There is no aperture adjustment to control.

Regards,
Bob...

Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . 
it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow.
 
- Original Message - 
From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 And this is a M serie? hehe :)
 
 2007/9/25, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Not giving anything away since it's a buy it now, but heres something to
 point to if someone says Pentax doesn't have any long lenses available.
 (Get you checkbooks out).

 http://tinyurl.com/2xyq5s

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Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

2007-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
If they were A-series the digital bodies would be able to record the  
aperture in EXIF. You could also use Sv and TAv exposure modes on the  
K10D.

Godfrey


On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Bob Blakely wrote:

 All reflex are M or K. There is no aperture adjustment to control.

 And this is a M serie? hehe :)

 Not giving anything away since it's a buy it now, but heres  
 something to
 point to if someone says Pentax doesn't have any long lenses  
 available.
 (Get you checkbooks out).

 http://tinyurl.com/2xyq5s


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Re: PESO - Sightlines

2007-09-25 Thread Rebekah
Looks cool!

rg2

On 9/25/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:17 AM, frank theriault wrote:

  Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.
 
  http://tinyurl.com/2bagpu

 Nice one. A little muddy on the darker values, you could fix that
 easily with a curves adjustment layer and some masking.

 Godfrey

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Re: GESO - The Cabbagetown Blues

2007-09-25 Thread Boris Liberman
Crude or not, but you know the drill ;-). Very well done, Mister Digital 
Knarf ;-).

Boris

frank theriault wrote:
 Paul posted a wonderful photo of a blues singer last week.  I
 mentioned that I had a few from a street festival, but that the a
 horrible background ruined every photo I managed to shoot.
 
 Paul's image inspired me to go back and take another look, and I think
 I managed to find a couple that I managed to tame the background
 somewhat.  As you can see, very harsh mid-day sun was also an issue,
 but given my crude PS abilities, I'm pleased with these two, taken a
 couple or three weeks ago at the Cabbagetown Street Festival:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2vo8r2
 
 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RveqicA-_fI/AvE/zdaBGuU1Xx8/s1600-h/sept_24+001.jpg
 
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2ssef7
 
 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RveqmMA-_gI/AvM/P8iJs9niMcM/s1600-h/sept_24+002.jpg
 
 Comments always welcome.  Thanks in advance.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 
 


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