Re: Costco slide scanning

[Derby Chang]

Rebekah wrote:
>> Are you happy with the results?
>> 
>
> Not really.  For the most part, they look  good, a few will
> need to be inverted (scanned backwards), and a couple were obviously
> too much color saturation for their machine to handle, and most were a
> bit blown out on the highlights with a lack of saturation.
>
> I've uploaded a few for you to see, with a comparison between some I
> scanned myself on someone else's machine when I had a chance.  My
> scans aren't perfect, but I'm satisfied they are fairly close to the
> original picture so you can see the difference between their scan and
> the way it should look.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/CostcoOrNo?authkey=GjfBMt1vHyM
>
> rg2
>   


As Amy Winehouse says, "they wanted me to go to Costco, I said NO NO NO"

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Re: Costco slide scanning

[P. J. Alling]

Well hell, you didn't think they'd screw them up for free did you?

Ken Waller wrote:
> And you had to pay Costco for those
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rebekah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Costco slide scanning
>
>
>   
>>> Are you happy with the results?
>>>   
>> Not really.  For the most part, they look  good, a few will
>> need to be inverted (scanned backwards), and a couple were obviously
>> too much color saturation for their machine to handle, and most were a
>> bit blown out on the highlights with a lack of saturation.
>>
>> I've uploaded a few for you to see, with a comparison between some I
>> scanned myself on someone else's machine when I had a chance.  My
>> scans aren't perfect, but I'm satisfied they are fairly close to the
>> original picture so you can see the difference between their scan and
>> the way it should look.
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/CostcoOrNo?authkey=GjfBMt1vHyM
>>
>> rg2
>>
>> On 3/2/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, my folks have some explaining to do...Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
 Bob, I JUST returned from Costco and have JUST popped the CD of my
 scanned slides into the computer.  29 cents apiece, no other charges.

 rg2

 On 2/29/08, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:37, Walter Hamler wrote:
>
>   
>> Bob, I just had over 500 done and they put them on 3 CD's. No 
>> charge
>> for the cd's at all.
>>
>> 
> I came in late to this, but... am I to understand that the quality is
> "pretty good" for the scans?
>
> .29/slide is a cheap price to pay, considering what a chore it is to
> scan slides at home.
>
>  -Charles
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PESO 2008 - 17 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Sort of a dry week for new photos, but I like the mood in this one  
from today's walk.

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/17-pickets.jpg
   Pickets - Neighborhood Details 2008
   Olympus E-1 + Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH
   ISO 200 @ f/5.6 @ 1/800 sec

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
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Re: K20D long-lens, high ISO samples

[Ken Waller]

Nice captures all Paul.

> In brief, due to reduced noise at high ISO, the new camera is giving
> me long-glass capability that I didn't have with any of the other
> Pentax digitals.

HMM thought I could do without the 20D. I'm not so sure now. Maybe I can 
get some depth with my 600?


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: K20D long-lens, high ISO samples


> Went out to the nature center today to give the K20D a workout with
> my A400/5.6 and A2X-S converter. This combination wasn't really
> working with the K10D or the *istD. Because the wide open stop is
> f11, I had to go to at least ISO 800, even though I was working off
> the tripod. Too much noise. The same was true for handholding the
> A400/5.6 without the converter. One of the reasons I wanted the K20D
> was to be able to use this lens and lens/converter combo efficiently.
> Some preliminary samples follow. All were with High ISO noise
> reduction set to weak.
>
> A4005.6 with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender, ISO 800, handheld:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013146
> I like this one.
>
> A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on
> tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at meter reading, f8 @ 1/200th:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013166&size=lg.
>
> A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on
> tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at f8 @ 1/1250th (about 2 1/2 stops under,
> but flash is pumping up the exposure. I had to push the midrange
> brightness on this which increased the noise, but it's still
> acceptable, IMO:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013168&size=lg
>
> In brief, due to reduced noise at high ISO, the new camera is giving
> me long-glass capability that I didn't have with any of the other
> Pentax digitals.
> Paul
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Re: Costco slide scanning

[Ken Waller]

And you had to pay Costco for those

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Rebekah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Costco slide scanning


> >Are you happy with the results?
>
> Not really.  For the most part, they look  good, a few will
> need to be inverted (scanned backwards), and a couple were obviously
> too much color saturation for their machine to handle, and most were a
> bit blown out on the highlights with a lack of saturation.
>
> I've uploaded a few for you to see, with a comparison between some I
> scanned myself on someone else's machine when I had a chance.  My
> scans aren't perfect, but I'm satisfied they are fairly close to the
> original picture so you can see the difference between their scan and
> the way it should look.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/CostcoOrNo?authkey=GjfBMt1vHyM
>
> rg2
>
> On 3/2/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thanks, my folks have some explaining to do...Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Bob, I JUST returned from Costco and have JUST popped the CD of my
>> > scanned slides into the computer.  29 cents apiece, no other charges.
>> >
>> > rg2
>> >
>> > On 2/29/08, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:37, Walter Hamler wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Bob, I just had over 500 done and they put them on 3 CD's. No 
>> > > > charge
>> > > > for the cd's at all.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I came in late to this, but... am I to understand that the quality is
>> > > "pretty good" for the scans?
>> > >
>> > > .29/slide is a cheap price to pay, considering what a chore it is to
>> > > scan slides at home.
>> > >
>> > >  -Charles
>> > >
>> > > --
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Re: Costco slide scanning

[Walter Hamler]

Here are a couple more that they did with the Antarctica slides.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/McMurdo.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/Don-Juan-Pond-Dry-Valleys.jpg

Walt



On 3/2/08, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Are you happy with the results?
>
> Not really.  For the most part, they look  good, a few will
> need to be inverted (scanned backwards), and a couple were obviously
> too much color saturation for their machine to handle, and most were a
> bit blown out on the highlights with a lack of saturation.
>
> I've uploaded a few for you to see, with a comparison between some I
> scanned myself on someone else's machine when I had a chance.  My
> scans aren't perfect, but I'm satisfied they are fairly close to the
> original picture so you can see the difference between their scan and
> the way it should look.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/CostcoOrNo?authkey=GjfBMt1vHyM
>
> rg2
>
> On 3/2/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks, my folks have some explaining to do...Regards,  Bob S.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Bob, I JUST returned from Costco and have JUST popped the CD of my
> > > scanned slides into the computer.  29 cents apiece, no other charges.
> > >
> > > rg2
> > >
> > > On 2/29/08, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:37, Walter Hamler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Bob, I just had over 500 done and they put them on 3 CD's. No charge
> > > > > for the cd's at all.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I came in late to this, but... am I to understand that the quality is
> > > > "pretty good" for the scans?
> > > >
> > > > .29/slide is a cheap price to pay, considering what a chore it is to
> > > > scan slides at home.
> > > >
> > > >  -Charles
> > > >
> > > > --
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Re: Costco slide scanning

[Walter Hamler]

Gee, those are terrible!
I must say that the photo lab staff at the store I used are very
knowledgable and know the technology. They showed me the equipment and
the scanner alone was 60,000.00. It is attached to one of the Noritsu
machines so it can make prints if ordered or it just spits out the
cd's. They monitor each scan and tweak as necessary.
I suspect you are up against some newby's that don't understand fully
what they are doing.

Walt

On 3/2/08, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Are you happy with the results?
>
> Not really.  For the most part, they look  good, a few will
> need to be inverted (scanned backwards), and a couple were obviously
> too much color saturation for their machine to handle, and most were a
> bit blown out on the highlights with a lack of saturation.
>
> I've uploaded a few for you to see, with a comparison between some I
> scanned myself on someone else's machine when I had a chance.  My
> scans aren't perfect, but I'm satisfied they are fairly close to the
> original picture so you can see the difference between their scan and
> the way it should look.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/CostcoOrNo?authkey=GjfBMt1vHyM
>
> rg2
>
> On 3/2/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks, my folks have some explaining to do...Regards,  Bob S.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Bob, I JUST returned from Costco and have JUST popped the CD of my
> > > scanned slides into the computer.  29 cents apiece, no other charges.
> > >
> > > rg2
> > >
> > > On 2/29/08, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:37, Walter Hamler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Bob, I just had over 500 done and they put them on 3 CD's. No charge
> > > > > for the cd's at all.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I came in late to this, but... am I to understand that the quality is
> > > > "pretty good" for the scans?
> > > >
> > > > .29/slide is a cheap price to pay, considering what a chore it is to
> > > > scan slides at home.
> > > >
> > > >  -Charles
> > > >
> > > > --
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Re: PESO: Silly cameras

[P. J. Alling]

So obviously you've never seen this...

http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/LX/LX_Gold.jpg

Tim Bray wrote:
> This is a photograph of two cameras that I saw for sale at Frankfurt
> airport.  I apologize, because this was neither taken, nor depicts,
> anything from Pentax.  But I think it's good for a giggle anyhow.
>
> http://www.tbray.org/tmp/silly-cameras.jpg
>
>  -Tim
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Re: PESO: Silly cameras

[Paul Stenquist]

I've stopped in at that Leica stand in the Frankfurt airport. It's a  
hoot. Must be targeted to those travelling to Dubai.
Paul
On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> This is a photograph of two cameras that I saw for sale at Frankfurt
> airport.  I apologize, because this was neither taken, nor depicts,
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>
> http://www.tbray.org/tmp/silly-cameras.jpg
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Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG

[Paul Stenquist]

The list can be a grind.
Ping Pong? That's so nineties:-).
Paul
On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

> Don't be a drip.
>
> --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I might just have to start filtering posts a little
>> more. I'm feeling
>> a little French, pressed to get through them all,
>> and would like only
>> comments on the photos to percolate into this
>> mailbox.
>>
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PESO: Silly cameras

[Tim Bray]

This is a photograph of two cameras that I saw for sale at Frankfurt
airport.  I apologize, because this was neither taken, nor depicts,
anything from Pentax.  But I think it's good for a giggle anyhow.

http://www.tbray.org/tmp/silly-cameras.jpg

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Re: Costco slide scanning

[Rebekah]

>Are you happy with the results?

Not really.  For the most part, they look  good, a few will
need to be inverted (scanned backwards), and a couple were obviously
too much color saturation for their machine to handle, and most were a
bit blown out on the highlights with a lack of saturation.

I've uploaded a few for you to see, with a comparison between some I
scanned myself on someone else's machine when I had a chance.  My
scans aren't perfect, but I'm satisfied they are fairly close to the
original picture so you can see the difference between their scan and
the way it should look.

http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/CostcoOrNo?authkey=GjfBMt1vHyM

rg2

On 3/2/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks, my folks have some explaining to do...Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bob, I JUST returned from Costco and have JUST popped the CD of my
> > scanned slides into the computer.  29 cents apiece, no other charges.
> >
> > rg2
> >
> > On 2/29/08, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:37, Walter Hamler wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bob, I just had over 500 done and they put them on 3 CD's. No charge
> > > > for the cd's at all.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I came in late to this, but... am I to understand that the quality is
> > > "pretty good" for the scans?
> > >
> > > .29/slide is a cheap price to pay, considering what a chore it is to
> > > scan slides at home.
> > >
> > >  -Charles
> > >
> > > --
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Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG

[Rick Womer]

Don't be a drip.

--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> I might just have to start filtering posts a little
> more. I'm feeling  
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> and would like only  
> comments on the photos to percolate into this
> mailbox.
> 
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Re: GESO: IR Cacti

[David Savage]

Sweet. Those are really neat.

Cheers,

Dave

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>  I love being able to see when shooting IR.
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>  http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_03/08_03_IRCacti/index.htm

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Re: Costco slide scanning

[Bob Sullivan]

Thanks, my folks have some explaining to do...Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob, I JUST returned from Costco and have JUST popped the CD of my
> scanned slides into the computer.  29 cents apiece, no other charges.
>
> rg2
>
> On 2/29/08, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:37, Walter Hamler wrote:
> >
> > > Bob, I just had over 500 done and they put them on 3 CD's. No charge
> > > for the cd's at all.
> > >
> >
> > I came in late to this, but... am I to understand that the quality is
> > "pretty good" for the scans?
> >
> > .29/slide is a cheap price to pay, considering what a chore it is to
> > scan slides at home.
> >
> >  -Charles
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Re: PESO - Toronto the Good?

[David Savage]

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cotty wrote:
>  > On 29/2/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>  >
>  >> Eh?
>  >
>  > It's a make of chainsaw.
>
>  Like "Brooks" ;-)

IMO he's more a buzzsaw.

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Re: Need advice about 300mm 2.8 (I'm a lucky dog)

[Adam Maas]

Actually, you can get auto aperture on Sony/Minolta mount with a
chipped adaptor, although I don't think anybody made such an adaptor.
Alpha mount uses a mechanical aperture stop-down, but electronic
communication of aperture info. It's essentially identical to
aperture-ring-less FA J and DA lenses in function.

-Adam

On 3/2/08, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The adaptall mound doesn't work with Autofocus lenses, or more properly
>  all autofocus lenses have dedicated mounts.  In fact you won't even get
>  auto aperture on these lenses if you get a mount for Canon EOS or
>  whatever Sony ne. Minolta/Konica  calls their autofocus mount.  There's
>  an internal motor to stop down the aperture, and the mount doesn't
>  supply one.
>
>
>  Francis wrote:
>  > Thanks for your help guys!
>  > The Pentax A and FA versions I've seen so far are, for me, prohibitively
>  > expensive (2,000.00 -3,500.00). Do old beaters (that still work) ever
>  > sell for < 1000 ?
>  >
>  > Mike: when you said "You can get an AF version that will work with all
>  > present Pentax DSLRs" are you referring to a AF version of the adapter?
>  > Or a newer version of the lens? If the latter, do you know if these are
>  > also "adaplall" so that if I found one in Canon/Nikon mount I could just
>  > get a new adapter?
>  >
>  >
>  > Thanks again,
>  > Francis - (foaming at the mouth)
>  >
>  > mike wilson wrote:
>  >
>  > Happy birthday.  The Tamron is an excellent lens, so close in imaging 
> capabilities to the Pentax in everything but price that you will find it 
> difficult to distinguish between them.  The manual focus version uses an 
> adaptor mount that allows you to choose between A, M or screwmount Pentax 
> cameras.  Or most other popular mounts.  The adaptors are about £50 new but 
> not so easy to find like that, these days.  You can get an AF version that 
> will work with all present Pentax DSLRs.  Or you could get the Pentax AF 1.7 
> converter and the manual version..
>  >
>  >
>  >>> From: Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >>> Date: 2008/03/01 Sat PM 07:59:08 GMT
>  >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>  >>> Subject: Need advice about 300mm 2.8 (I'm a lucky dog)
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> Yesterday I turned 5.
>  >>> And my mommy and daddy gave me a card that said:  300mm F2.8
>  >>>
>  >>> I just about exploded! I've taken tens of thousands of bird photos over
>  >>> the last few years, all with a good but not quite well suited K200mm 2.5.
>  >>>
>  >>> So now the question is which one should I get? Have any of you used one
>  >>> of the old Tamron 300mm f2.8? Are they A enabled or is it green button
>  >>> material? And when they say "for canon FD" or for something else, does
>  >>> that just mean it has that adapter on it? Or are they mount specific?
>  >>> how about the older Tokina telephotos? Are they good (and cheapish)?
>  >>>
>  >>> Any suggestions on this would be muchly appreciated!
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
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Re: Battery Charger for K10D

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Sheesh. Grounded.  ...   ]'-)

Personally, even though it's expensive, if I felt the need for an AC  
adapter I'd buy the Pentax qualified unit for the K10D (Pentax K- 
AC50). That way if there is any weird problem, at least you have some  
grounds to call in Pentax and say "hey what, your power supply just  
fried my camera ... !!!" And they might listen ...

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On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Richard D Bush wrote:
> I can't stand any more of your punny jokes. Please stop.  ;-)
>
> And, while on this subject of after market chargers and batteries for
> the K10D, does anyone know an aftermarket source for an AC to DC power
> supply for the K10D?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions,
>
> Richard Bush
>
>
> On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
> Two 3rd party batteries working fine, and have yet to use the 3rd
> party car/home charger.
> Go for it...
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Dave Kennedy
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I was shocked at the price of the OEM batteries. So I resisted. Got
>> all charged up over a good deal on ebay - Charger & 3rd party battery
>> for <$30.  Found it by searching for the NP-400 (Konica-Minolta
>> Equivilent.
>>
>> Works fine for me.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Steve Desjardins
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> OK, I'll admit defeat.  I can't find the damned charger for the  
>>> K10D.
>>> Since I don't want to pay $60 USD for a new Pentax one, has anyone
>>> had a
>>> good experience with one of the cheaper generic ones?  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, and I plan to charge it to my credit card.  Just thought  
>>> I'd
>>> get the electrical puns started.
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Re: PESO - Toronto the Good?

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:
> On 29/2/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Eh?
> 
> It's a make of chainsaw.

Like "Brooks" ;-)


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Re: ping!

[Adam Maas]

SYN

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Re: Battery Charger for K10D

[Richard D Bush]

I can't stand any more of your punny jokes. Please stop.  ;-)

And, while on this subject of after market chargers and batteries for  
the K10D, does anyone know an aftermarket source for an AC to DC power  
supply for the K10D?

Thanks for any suggestions,

Richard Bush

On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Two 3rd party batteries working fine, and have yet to use the 3rd
party car/home charger.
Go for it...
Regards, Bob S.

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> all charged up over a good deal on ebay - Charger & 3rd party battery
> for <$30.  Found it by searching for the NP-400 (Konica-Minolta
> Equivilent.
>
> Works fine for me.
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Steve Desjardins  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> OK, I'll admit defeat.  I can't find the damned charger for the K10D.
>> Since I don't want to pay $60 USD for a new Pentax one, has anyone  
>> had a
>> good experience with one of the cheaper generic ones?  Thanks.
>>
>> Oh yeah, and I plan to charge it to my credit card.  Just thought I'd
>> get the electrical puns started.
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Re: Costco slide scanning

[Walter Hamler]

Are you happy with the results?

Walt

On 3/2/08, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob, I JUST returned from Costco and have JUST popped the CD of my
> scanned slides into the computer.  29 cents apiece, no other charges.
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Re: Costco slide scanning

[Rebekah]

Bob, I JUST returned from Costco and have JUST popped the CD of my
scanned slides into the computer.  29 cents apiece, no other charges.

rg2

On 2/29/08, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:37, Walter Hamler wrote:
>
> > Bob, I just had over 500 done and they put them on 3 CD's. No charge
> > for the cd's at all.
> >
>
> I came in late to this, but... am I to understand that the quality is
> "pretty good" for the scans?
>
> .29/slide is a cheap price to pay, considering what a chore it is to
> scan slides at home.
>
>  -Charles
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Re: K20D long-lens, high ISO samples

[pnstenquist]

Hi Jack,
Yes, the noise is noticeable on number three. It's the result of underexposing 
to preserve the highlight detail. Number two is basically the same shot exposed 
at about meter reading, but the bright highlight on the front of the bird burns 
out. A function of the light. Deail looks pretty good, even at 100$; Of course 
a TC and lens isn't the optimum answer. The first two were off the tripod, BTW, 
so you wouldn't have to lift it:-).
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Noise is a slight bit noticeable on #3. Don't know if I could lift this
> combination, let alone shoot and adjust focus at the same time.
> I did sort of expect slightly more detail, but with the 2X T/C the
> inadvertent rapid scene movement would have been extremely difficult to
> overcome even at the noted shutter speeds and SR on.
> 
> Jack
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Went out to the nature center today to give the K20D a workout with  
> > my A400/5.6 and A2X-S converter. This combination wasn't really  
> > working with the K10D or the *istD. Because the wide open stop is  
> > f11, I had to go to at least ISO 800, even though I was working off  
> > the tripod. Too much noise. The same was true for handholding the  
> > A400/5.6 without the converter. One of the reasons I wanted the K20D 
> > 
> > was to be able to use this lens and lens/converter combo efficiently.
> >  
> > Some preliminary samples follow. All were with High ISO noise  
> > reduction set to weak.
> > 
> > A4005.6 with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender, ISO 800, handheld:
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013146
> > I like this one.
> > 
> > A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on  
> > tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at meter reading, f8 @ 1/200th:
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013166&size=lg.
> > 
> > A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on  
> > tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at f8 @ 1/1250th (about 2 1/2 stops under,
> >  
> > but flash is pumping up the exposure. I had to push the midrange  
> > brightness on this which increased the noise, but it's still  
> > acceptable, IMO:
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013168&size=lg
> > 
> > In brief, due to reduced noise at high ISO, the new camera is giving 
> > 
> > me long-glass capability that I didn't have with any of the other  
> > Pentax digitals.
> > Paul
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Re: K20D long-lens, high ISO samples

[Jack Davis]

Noise is a slight bit noticeable on #3. Don't know if I could lift this
combination, let alone shoot and adjust focus at the same time.
I did sort of expect slightly more detail, but with the 2X T/C the
inadvertent rapid scene movement would have been extremely difficult to
overcome even at the noted shutter speeds and SR on.

Jack
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Went out to the nature center today to give the K20D a workout with  
> my A400/5.6 and A2X-S converter. This combination wasn't really  
> working with the K10D or the *istD. Because the wide open stop is  
> f11, I had to go to at least ISO 800, even though I was working off  
> the tripod. Too much noise. The same was true for handholding the  
> A400/5.6 without the converter. One of the reasons I wanted the K20D 
> 
> was to be able to use this lens and lens/converter combo efficiently.
>  
> Some preliminary samples follow. All were with High ISO noise  
> reduction set to weak.
> 
> A4005.6 with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender, ISO 800, handheld:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013146
> I like this one.
> 
> A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on  
> tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at meter reading, f8 @ 1/200th:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013166&size=lg.
> 
> A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on  
> tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at f8 @ 1/1250th (about 2 1/2 stops under,
>  
> but flash is pumping up the exposure. I had to push the midrange  
> brightness on this which increased the noise, but it's still  
> acceptable, IMO:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013168&size=lg
> 
> In brief, due to reduced noise at high ISO, the new camera is giving 
> 
> me long-glass capability that I didn't have with any of the other  
> Pentax digitals.
> Paul
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Re: Opinions needed

[Bob Sullivan]

Micah,
Like the photos.  New Family at the end is my favorite.  Mazeltov!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Micah Kleit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've just gotten back on the list after a break of a few months (my
> wife and I had our first child, a baby girl named Alice; there is of
> course a voluminous selection of photos of her at 
> http://pugnax.smugmug.com/gallery/3328936_sHtfP/1/261082219_pijqN)
> , and I hope everyone's doing well.
>
> I agree on the brands: I have a Sandisk 4 GB along with the reader
> that came with the card, and I've been very happy with both. Dell
> screwed me over on an order so they practically gave it to me, so I
> don't remember the price.  Also have a cheaper 2GB card which I've
> been using for a HD video camera.
>
> One thing I've been using around the house is an Eye-Fi 2GB wireless
> card.  I don't think it's that useful unless you're close to your
> computer or another computer where you've already set up an account,
> but for taking shots at home, the card has saved me a lot of time in
> organizing, as it automatically creates a folder of the photos ou take
> wherever you prefer with the day's date and of course uploads the
> photos wirelessly; I just trash the photos I don't want to keep, and
> edit the ones I do.  With a reader the Eye-Fi is around $99.
>
> Micah
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> > On Mar 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote:
> >
> >> Seeking opinions on three subjects:
> >>
> >> 1.  I'm looking to buy a 4 GB SD card for the K10D and I'd like to
> >> get
> >> one on the inexpensive side.   Any recommendations (or stuff to
> >> avoid)?
> >
> > Buy only SDHC cards for any capacity greater than 2G. Be sure you
> > also have a fast SDHC compatible card reader as well. Class 6 are the
> > fastest ones. Class 2s will likely be fine for someone shooting JPEGs
> > only. Sandisk and Panasonic make the most reliable SDHC cards, from
> > what I've read so far.
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> >
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Re: K20D long-lens, high ISO samples

[pnstenquist]

Thanks Micah. Sorry to tempt you:-). I had to sell a bunch of stuff to come up 
with it. And if I had done my income tax return first, I might have had to 
pass. Good thing I didn't do that:-).
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Micah Kleit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Paul:
> 
> That first photo is really terrific, and all of these experiences with  
> the K20D is making life very difficult for me: I just cleared out most  
> of my debt and the urge to buy the camera is, how shall we say,  
> strong.  The only thing keeping me from buying one is the image of my  
> wife killing me for doing it.
> 
> Micah
> 
> On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> > Went out to the nature center today to give the K20D a workout with
> > my A400/5.6 and A2X-S converter. This combination wasn't really
> > working with the K10D or the *istD. Because the wide open stop is
> > f11, I had to go to at least ISO 800, even though I was working off
> > the tripod. Too much noise. The same was true for handholding the
> > A400/5.6 without the converter. One of the reasons I wanted the K20D
> > was to be able to use this lens and lens/converter combo efficiently.
> > Some preliminary samples follow. All were with High ISO noise
> > reduction set to weak.
> >
> > A4005.6 with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender, ISO 800, handheld:
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013146
> > I like this one.
> >
> > A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on
> > tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at meter reading, f8 @ 1/200th:
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013166&size=lg.
> >
> > A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on
> > tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at f8 @ 1/1250th (about 2 1/2 stops under,
> > but flash is pumping up the exposure. I had to push the midrange
> > brightness on this which increased the noise, but it's still
> > acceptable, IMO:
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013168&size=lg
> >
> > In brief, due to reduced noise at high ISO, the new camera is giving
> > me long-glass capability that I didn't have with any of the other
> > Pentax digitals.
> > Paul
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Re: K20D long-lens, high ISO samples

[Micah Kleit]

Paul:

That first photo is really terrific, and all of these experiences with  
the K20D is making life very difficult for me: I just cleared out most  
of my debt and the urge to buy the camera is, how shall we say,  
strong.  The only thing keeping me from buying one is the image of my  
wife killing me for doing it.

Micah

On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Went out to the nature center today to give the K20D a workout with
> my A400/5.6 and A2X-S converter. This combination wasn't really
> working with the K10D or the *istD. Because the wide open stop is
> f11, I had to go to at least ISO 800, even though I was working off
> the tripod. Too much noise. The same was true for handholding the
> A400/5.6 without the converter. One of the reasons I wanted the K20D
> was to be able to use this lens and lens/converter combo efficiently.
> Some preliminary samples follow. All were with High ISO noise
> reduction set to weak.
>
> A4005.6 with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender, ISO 800, handheld:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013146
> I like this one.
>
> A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on
> tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at meter reading, f8 @ 1/200th:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013166&size=lg.
>
> A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on
> tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at f8 @ 1/1250th (about 2 1/2 stops under,
> but flash is pumping up the exposure. I had to push the midrange
> brightness on this which increased the noise, but it's still
> acceptable, IMO:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013168&size=lg
>
> In brief, due to reduced noise at high ISO, the new camera is giving
> me long-glass capability that I didn't have with any of the other
> Pentax digitals.
> Paul
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K20D long-lens, high ISO samples

[Paul Stenquist]

Went out to the nature center today to give the K20D a workout with  
my A400/5.6 and A2X-S converter. This combination wasn't really  
working with the K10D or the *istD. Because the wide open stop is  
f11, I had to go to at least ISO 800, even though I was working off  
the tripod. Too much noise. The same was true for handholding the  
A400/5.6 without the converter. One of the reasons I wanted the K20D  
was to be able to use this lens and lens/converter combo efficiently.  
Some preliminary samples follow. All were with High ISO noise  
reduction set to weak.

A4005.6 with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender, ISO 800, handheld:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013146
I like this one.

A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on  
tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at meter reading, f8 @ 1/200th:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013166&size=lg.

A4005.6 plus A2X-S converter with AF540GFZ flash and Xtender on  
tripod, ISO 1000, exposure at f8 @ 1/1250th (about 2 1/2 stops under,  
but flash is pumping up the exposure. I had to push the midrange  
brightness on this which increased the noise, but it's still  
acceptable, IMO:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7013168&size=lg

In brief, due to reduced noise at high ISO, the new camera is giving  
me long-glass capability that I didn't have with any of the other  
Pentax digitals.
Paul

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Re: Broadway Photo(?)

[Jack Davis]

THANKS, Peter and John. Good info to have.

Jack
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> If a store has a high rating at epinions.com that proves nothing if
> it 
> has a low rating run fast in the other direction
> 
>
http://www.epinions.com/webs-Web_Services-All-Merchants-Broadway_Photo
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
> > Anyone have experience or an opinion as to the reputation of
> Broadway
> > Photo?
> > They have the K20D for $1162 (as I recall without going back to
> check)
> > plus free shipping. 
> > This message is primarily intended for any who regard this
> relatively
> > small saving as significant. 
> > I'm hanging back, but with no specific reservations. Just watching
> > opinions develop.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >  
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Re: Opinions needed

[Micah Kleit]

I've just gotten back on the list after a break of a few months (my  
wife and I had our first child, a baby girl named Alice; there is of  
course a voluminous selection of photos of her at 
http://pugnax.smugmug.com/gallery/3328936_sHtfP/1/261082219_pijqN) 
, and I hope everyone's doing well.

I agree on the brands: I have a Sandisk 4 GB along with the reader  
that came with the card, and I've been very happy with both. Dell  
screwed me over on an order so they practically gave it to me, so I  
don't remember the price.  Also have a cheaper 2GB card which I've  
been using for a HD video camera.

One thing I've been using around the house is an Eye-Fi 2GB wireless  
card.  I don't think it's that useful unless you're close to your  
computer or another computer where you've already set up an account,  
but for taking shots at home, the card has saved me a lot of time in  
organizing, as it automatically creates a folder of the photos ou take  
wherever you prefer with the day's date and of course uploads the  
photos wirelessly; I just trash the photos I don't want to keep, and  
edit the ones I do.  With a reader the Eye-Fi is around $99.

Micah



On Mar 2, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> On Mar 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote:
>
>> Seeking opinions on three subjects:
>>
>> 1.  I’m looking to buy a 4 GB SD card for the K10D and I’d like to  
>> get
>> one on the inexpensive side.   Any recommendations (or stuff to
>> avoid)?
>
> Buy only SDHC cards for any capacity greater than 2G. Be sure you
> also have a fast SDHC compatible card reader as well. Class 6 are the
> fastest ones. Class 2s will likely be fine for someone shooting JPEGs
> only. Sandisk and Panasonic make the most reliable SDHC cards, from
> what I've read so far.
>
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Re: Opinions needed

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote:

> Seeking opinions on three subjects:
>
> 1.  I’m looking to buy a 4 GB SD card for the K10D and I’d like to get
> one on the inexpensive side.   Any recommendations (or stuff to  
> avoid)?

Buy only SDHC cards for any capacity greater than 2G. Be sure you  
also have a fast SDHC compatible card reader as well. Class 6 are the  
fastest ones. Class 2s will likely be fine for someone shooting JPEGs  
only. Sandisk and Panasonic make the most reliable SDHC cards, from  
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Re: ping!

[Brendan MacRae]

LOL!

Was just testing my list posting on Yahoo. I got two
responses before my original post was showing on my
end. My last three or four sent messages to the list
perished in the net ether.

-Brendan
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Re: GESO: IR Cacti

[Bong Manayon]

Hey this is a nice change...I been looking at too many (false) color
IRs that they're beginning to look alike...love the details.

Bong

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  I love being able to see when shooting IR.
>
>  http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_03/08_03_IRCacti/index.htm
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Re: FS Friday

[Lucas Rijnders]

Hi,

For pictures: http://www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/FSF/index.html

Thanks, Lucas

Op Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:55:22 +0100 schreef Lucas Rijnders  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi all,
>
> I seem to have accumulated more stuff than I have use for, so I'm  
> offering the following for sale:
>
> AF500FTZ TTL flash for Pentax AF film camera's, and the *ist-D, -DS and  
> -DS2. With matching soft case, LN- (as per KEH) condition, €150,-
>
> SMC Pentax 135mm 1:3,5 ('K'-series), with matching hard case, matching  
> front and rear cap, and plastic solar shade. The shade is marked 'SMC  
> Pentax 1:2,8 120mm 1:3,5 135mm 1:4 150mm'. Lens, shade and caps look  
> flawless to me, the case has some discolouration from age: I'd still rate
> the set at LN-, unless you happen to be a case collector ;-), €75,-
>
> SMC Pentax-M 50mm 1:1,7 in almost flawless condition. I rate it at LN-,  
> because I don't have the box and caps. With generic rear and front cap  
> (or a 49mm UV filter, your call), €60,-
>
> Pentax auto extension set K, with matching case. Both case and tubes are  
> LN-, €25,-
>
> Winder MX, battery cover needs some tape to stay closed, €20,-
>
> AF200T TTL flash for MF camera's. With matching soft case. EX condition,  
> €20,-
>
> Pentax Winder ME II,  battery cover needs some tape to stay closed, €15,-
>
> All prices asking prices, feel free to make an offer. Shipping not  
> included. I'll ship worldwide at actual cost. Payment preferrably through
> Eurogiro (EU-residents) or Paypal (everyone else).
>
> I am assuming an educated audience, so I kept the descriptions short. If  
> you need more information about an object, or would like to see some  
> photo's, feel free to mail me.
>
> If I have no takers here I'll just keep the flashes and put the rest on  
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Re: Broadway Photo(?)

[Jack Davis]

Seems to suit their reputation.

Jack
--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just in case the other warnings weren't enough.  I found a couple of 
> photos of their location...
> 
> http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/h0006.htm
> 
> http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/h0049.htm
> 
> Now while a simple hole in the wall for store, (try to visit KEH 
> sometime and they're quite reputable), with just a web presence isn't
> 
> bad, this doesn't look good.
> 
> P. J. Alling wrote:
> > If a store has a high rating at epinions.com that proves nothing if
> it 
> > has a low rating run fast in the other direction
> >
> >
>
http://www.epinions.com/webs-Web_Services-All-Merchants-Broadway_Photo
> >
> > Jack Davis wrote:
> >   
> >> Anyone have experience or an opinion as to the reputation of
> Broadway
> >> Photo?
> >> They have the K20D for $1162 (as I recall without going back to
> check)
> >> plus free shipping. 
> >> This message is primarily intended for any who regard this
> relatively
> >> small saving as significant. 
> >> I'm hanging back, but with no specific reservations. Just watching
> >> opinions develop.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >>
> >>
> >>  
>

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> >>
> >>   
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Re: ping!

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Brendan MacRae wrote:
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Re: ping!

[Bran Everseeking]

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:29:44 -0800 (PST)
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> ping?

Pong

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RE: Peso: ~ King ~

[Bob W]

> 
> >I remember fishing in the local reservoir near 
> Charlottesville, VA,  seeing
> > beavers quite often swimming in the water.  They pretty 
> well deforested the
> > area immediately adjacent to the water.
> 
> If you take a tape recorder and record the sound of a 
> babbling brook, and the set it to play 
> back (contiuous loop) somewhere away from running water, 
> beavers will find it and build a dam on 
> top of it.
> True story.
> 

Really? I heard that if you play it backwards it says "Paul is dead".

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Re: Broadway Photo(?)

[P. J. Alling]

Just in case the other warnings weren't enough.  I found a couple of 
photos of their location...

http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/h0006.htm

http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/h0049.htm

Now while a simple hole in the wall for store, (try to visit KEH 
sometime and they're quite reputable), with just a web presence isn't 
bad, this doesn't look good.

P. J. Alling wrote:
> If a store has a high rating at epinions.com that proves nothing if it 
> has a low rating run fast in the other direction
>
> http://www.epinions.com/webs-Web_Services-All-Merchants-Broadway_Photo
>
> Jack Davis wrote:
>   
>> Anyone have experience or an opinion as to the reputation of Broadway
>> Photo?
>> They have the K20D for $1162 (as I recall without going back to check)
>> plus free shipping. 
>> This message is primarily intended for any who regard this relatively
>> small saving as significant. 
>> I'm hanging back, but with no specific reservations. Just watching
>> opinions develop.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>> Be a better friend, newshound, and 
>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.  
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>>   
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Re: ping!

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Titleist?

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Re: ping!

[AlunFoto]

Periscope up, captain.


2008/3/2, Christine  Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> pong
>
>
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Re: ping!

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It's a high lob!  ACE!

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Re: Opinions needed

[Ken Waller]

1.Can't help with the card but based on her intended use of the images you 
may be able to dial back image file sizes.

2.I've printed full resolution jpegs from this camera (@ 12"X18" & they were 
fine.

3.My left shoulder is aching on me.
;+(

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- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Opinions needed


> Seeking opinions on three subjects:
>
> 1.  I’m looking to buy a 4 GB SD card for the K10D and I’d like to get
> one on the inexpensive side.   Any recommendations (or stuff to avoid)?
>
> 2. My friend is taking one of my cameras to Egypt  (She’s a good
> friend), and she will shoot only JPGS.  I want to give her the K10D.
> Since the alternative is the DS, I still think the K10D is still better
> with the sharpening turned up.  I’ve looked at some JPGs and they look
> fine to me.  Anyone who shoots mostly JPGs have any advice about
> settings?
>
> 3.  I'll leave this one as a wildcard.  Just say whatever's bothering
> you.


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Re: Broadway Photo(?)

[P. J. Alling]

If a store has a high rating at epinions.com that proves nothing if it 
has a low rating run fast in the other direction

http://www.epinions.com/webs-Web_Services-All-Merchants-Broadway_Photo

Jack Davis wrote:
> Anyone have experience or an opinion as to the reputation of Broadway
> Photo?
> They have the K20D for $1162 (as I recall without going back to check)
> plus free shipping. 
> This message is primarily intended for any who regard this relatively
> small saving as significant. 
> I'm hanging back, but with no specific reservations. Just watching
> opinions develop.
>
> Jack
>
>
>   
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Re: PESO - Toronto the Good?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 
Subject: Re: PESO - Toronto the Good?



>> Another good shot. So tell us. How are the girls? :-)
> 
> Har!  Actually, I've never been in there...
> 

You should go. I hear Scott's wife works there.

Sorry Scott, but after the last one, I was waiting for an opportunity.

William Robb

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Re: ping!

[Christine Aguila]

pong


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Opinions needed

[Steve Desjardins]

Seeking opinions on three subjects:

1.  I’m looking to buy a 4 GB SD card for the K10D and I’d like to get
one on the inexpensive side.   Any recommendations (or stuff to avoid)?

2. My friend is taking one of my cameras to Egypt  (She’s a good
friend), and she will shoot only JPGS.  I want to give her the K10D. 
Since the alternative is the DS, I still think the K10D is still better
with the sharpening turned up.  I’ve looked at some JPGs and they look
fine to me.  Anyone who shoots mostly JPGs have any advice about
settings?

3.  I'll leave this one as a wildcard.  Just say whatever's bothering
you.

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Re: Broadway Photo(?)

[John Francis]

On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 11:08:16AM -0800, Jack Davis wrote:
> Anyone have experience or an opinion as to the reputation of Broadway
> Photo?
> They have the K20D for $1162 (as I recall without going back to check)
> plus free shipping. 
> This message is primarily intended for any who regard this relatively
> small saving as significant. 
> I'm hanging back, but with no specific reservations. Just watching
> opinions develop.
> 
> Jack

Take a look at http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Broadway_Computer_Video

In brief: avoid.



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Re: PESO - Toronto the Good?

[P. J. Alling]

You still can't buy drinking alcohol in a store in Connecticut after 
9:00PM before 8:00AM any time on Sunday or Election day...  You have to 
stock up ahead of time.

Scott Loveless wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
>   
>> No, I've never been in the place...
>>
>> 
> Well, why the hell not?
>
> When we lived in St. Louis, the county was still enforcing "Blue Laws". 
>   Basically, you couldn't buy or sell booze from 1am to noon on Sundays. 
>   (I may be off an hour or two on the time.)  Once, after a very rude 
> cashier pulled my sixer off the conveyor and proceeded to scold me for 
> trying to buy the stuff at 11:45am, I told him that the only people who 
> cared if I bought it were in church and couldn't see the sin going down 
> anyway.
>
>   


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Re: OT - Any Folkies?

[John Francis]

On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 09:16:37AM +, Cotty wrote:
> On 2/3/08, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >
> >Not all that strange, really.  If you look at the Fairport Family
> >Tree (initially on the album cover of "History Of ..." but much
> >expanded as the years pass) you'll see that Fairport have their
> >contacts with an extremely wide-ranging group of musicians.
> 
> One of the key attractions of the Cropredy Festival. They invite
> musician friends old and new along and you get the most amazing mix of
> music styles all on one field. The other attraction is the age range -
> literally from 8 to 80. The venue is lovely, with the vent spilling out
> into the village of Cropredy itself, which opens its heart to the event.
> There is only one bar in the arena - nothing backstage - so artists come
> out for a pint of Wadsworth 6X and can easily be bumped into for a chat.
> I have see this nowhere else. The atmosphere is pretty good, highly
> recommended.

It's definitely on my bucket list.  I suspect I might even be able to
score a backstage photo pass, if those are hard to come by - the band
know us well enough to look for us when they play a gig in the bay area.


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Broadway Photo(?)

[Jack Davis]

Anyone have experience or an opinion as to the reputation of Broadway
Photo?
They have the K20D for $1162 (as I recall without going back to check)
plus free shipping. 
This message is primarily intended for any who regard this relatively
small saving as significant. 
I'm hanging back, but with no specific reservations. Just watching
opinions develop.

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RE: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG

[Bob W]

> >> First time for me to comment on coffee shop photos...this 
> perks me  
> >> up!
> >
> > Urgh...what a grind.
> 
> I might just have to start filtering posts a little more. I'm 
> feeling  
> a little French, pressed to get through them all, and would 
> like only  
> comments on the photos to percolate into this mailbox.
> 

this is not a suitable subject for mochary.

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Re: Need advice about 300mm 2.8 (I'm a lucky dog)

[P. J. Alling]

The adaptall mound doesn't work with Autofocus lenses, or more properly 
all autofocus lenses have dedicated mounts.  In fact you won't even get 
auto aperture on these lenses if you get a mount for Canon EOS or 
whatever Sony ne. Minolta/Konica  calls their autofocus mount.  There's 
an internal motor to stop down the aperture, and the mount doesn't 
supply one.

Francis wrote:
> Thanks for your help guys!
> The Pentax A and FA versions I've seen so far are, for me, prohibitively 
> expensive (2,000.00 -3,500.00). Do old beaters (that still work) ever 
> sell for < 1000 ?
>
> Mike: when you said "You can get an AF version that will work with all 
> present Pentax DSLRs" are you referring to a AF version of the adapter? 
> Or a newer version of the lens? If the latter, do you know if these are 
> also "adaplall" so that if I found one in Canon/Nikon mount I could just 
> get a new adapter?
>
>
> Thanks again,
> Francis - (foaming at the mouth)
>
> mike wilson wrote:
>
> Happy birthday.  The Tamron is an excellent lens, so close in imaging 
> capabilities to the Pentax in everything but price that you will find it 
> difficult to distinguish between them.  The manual focus version uses an 
> adaptor mount that allows you to choose between A, M or screwmount Pentax 
> cameras.  Or most other popular mounts.  The adaptors are about £50 new but 
> not so easy to find like that, these days.  You can get an AF version that 
> will work with all present Pentax DSLRs.  Or you could get the Pentax AF 1.7 
> converter and the manual version..
>
>   
>>> From: Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: 2008/03/01 Sat PM 07:59:08 GMT
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> Subject: Need advice about 300mm 2.8 (I'm a lucky dog)
>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday I turned 5.
>>> And my mommy and daddy gave me a card that said:  300mm F2.8
>>>
>>> I just about exploded! I've taken tens of thousands of bird photos over 
>>> the last few years, all with a good but not quite well suited K200mm 2.5.
>>>
>>> So now the question is which one should I get? Have any of you used one 
>>> of the old Tamron 300mm f2.8? Are they A enabled or is it green button 
>>> material? And when they say "for canon FD" or for something else, does 
>>> that just mean it has that adapter on it? Or are they mount specific? 
>>> how about the older Tokina telephotos? Are they good (and cheapish)?
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on this would be muchly appreciated!
>>> 
>>>   
>
>
>   


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Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG

[P. J. Alling]

David Savage wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Bong Manayon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> First time for me to comment on coffee shop photos...this perks me up!
>> 
>
> Urgh...what a grind.
>
> Dave
>
>   
My guess is Marnie's filtering these...

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Re: PESO - Toronto the Good?

[Rick Womer]

Mark!

--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "frank theriault" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Toronto the Good?
> 
> > 
> > I get that - but what do I want a chainsaw for?
> > 
> 
> Most of life's problems can be solved with a
> chainsaw.
> 
> William Robb
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Re: Peekaboo, I See You

[Ken Waller]

Cute, but I'm drawn to the OOF lady on the left. Maybe less of her !

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- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You


> G'day Trend Setters,
> 
> Was out at a cafe yesterday, had a (new) camera, played a silly game
> with a little kid, took a picture & thought I'd share (~140kb)
> 
> 
> 
> As always any & all comments welcome
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave


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Re: Need advice about 300mm 2.8 (I'm a lucky dog)

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/03/02 Sun PM 04:56:34 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Need advice about 300mm 2.8 (I'm a lucky dog)
> 
> Thanks for your help guys!
> The Pentax A and FA versions I've seen so far are, for me, prohibitively 
> expensive (2,000.00 -3,500.00). Do old beaters (that still work) ever 
> sell for < 1000 ?
> 
> Mike: when you said "You can get an AF version that will work with all 
> present Pentax DSLRs" are you referring to a AF version of the adapter? 
> Or a newer version of the lens? If the latter, do you know if these are 
> also "adaplall" so that if I found one in Canon/Nikon mount I could just 
> get a new adapter?

Newer version of the lens.  Unfortunately, there are no (to my knowledge) AF 
versions of Adaptall lenses.  If you think you will need AF, go for the 
adaptall and Pentax AF1.7 adaptor.  Excellent combination, which will cost you 
about $200 more than just the lens.

> 
> 
> Thanks again,
> Francis - (foaming at the mouth)
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> 
> Happy birthday.  The Tamron is an excellent lens, so close in imaging 
> capabilities to the Pentax in everything but price that you will find it 
> difficult to distinguish between them.  The manual focus version uses an 
> adaptor mount that allows you to choose between A, M or screwmount Pentax 
> cameras.  Or most other popular mounts.  The adaptors are about £50 new but 
> not so easy to find like that, these days.  You can get an AF version that 
> will work with all present Pentax DSLRs.  Or you could get the Pentax AF 1.7 
> converter and the manual version..
> 
> >> From: Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: 2008/03/01 Sat PM 07:59:08 GMT
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> Subject: Need advice about 300mm 2.8 (I'm a lucky dog)
> >>
> >>
> >> Yesterday I turned 5.
> >> And my mommy and daddy gave me a card that said:  300mm F2.8
> >>
> >> I just about exploded! I've taken tens of thousands of bird photos over 
> >> the last few years, all with a good but not quite well suited K200mm 2.5.
> >>
> >> So now the question is which one should I get? Have any of you used one 
> >> of the old Tamron 300mm f2.8? Are they A enabled or is it green button 
> >> material? And when they say "for canon FD" or for something else, does 
> >> that just mean it has that adapter on it? Or are they mount specific? 
> >> how about the older Tokina telephotos? Are they good (and cheapish)?
> >>
> >> Any suggestions on this would be muchly appreciated!
> >> 
> 
> 
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Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics

[Ken Waller]

My experience of late has been that a lone image will sit in ready for 
"review category" for several weeks.
If I up load an additional image during this time frame, I'll get an 
immediate (within a day or two) acept/reject of the initial image.

Go figure.

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Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics


> Hello Boris,
>
> This is the basic way I determine:
>
> The method of determination of peer rejection vs. judges is based on
> speed of rejection.  For the past couple of months, the judges have
> been taking 1-3 weeks to reject.  Peer rejections are mostly within a
> few days.  So if something has sat there for a long time (more than a
> week) and eventually gets rejected, that is most likely a judge.  It
> is also easier to tell if there are several submissions.  So an
> example would be that 10 are submitted.  7 of the are rejected within
> two days.  The remaining 3 sit there for 3 weeks and then are all
> rejected at once.  This would indicate that the 7 were peer
> rejections and the 3 were judge rejections.  Makes sense, no?
>
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
> Saturday, March 1, 2008, 7:35:52 AM, you wrote:
>
> BL> Bruce, could you please tell me how to discover whether the photo was
> BL> rejected by peer voting or by gallery judges?
>
> BL> My hat's off before you for what you did!
>
> BL> As for your ramble - you're absolutely right. I mean - unless one by
> BL> conscious choice engages in computer graphic where the initial image
> BL> comes through photographic process of either digital or analog kind, 
> one
> BL> is most definitely not in the trend.
>
> BL> Boris
>
>
> BL> Bruce Dayton wrote:
>>> Well, I did the unpardonable - I took down all 53 of my photos.  I
>>> had two in the collection.
>
>
>
>
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Re: K10D + DA* 16-50 report with samples

[Ken Waller]

Nice capture. A little less centered would be better.

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From: "Mark Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: K10D + DA* 16-50 report with samples


>I finally got a couple of hours to take my new K10D and DA* 16-50 out into
> the field.  I took some shots of Oak trees on the eastern edge of the
> Sacramento valley (along Ione Road south of Hwy 16).  Here's a sample:
>
> http://www.westerickson.net/misc/ValleyOak.jpg
>
> This started out as a DNG raw.  I pulled it into Photoshop CS2 with pretty
> nominal settings, then used the channel mixer to convert to black and 
> white.
> I did not apply any Photoshop sharpening.  I thought that it was pretty
> impressive at first glance--sharp, clean, and with good dynamic range. 
> The
> image in the link is a straightforward downsize with no subsequent
> sharpening.
>
> So I went pixel-peeping.  Here are 100% crops of the lower left corner,
> center, and lower right corner:
>
> http://www.westerickson.net/misc/LeftCenterRight.jpg
>
> To me, the grass on the right is noticably "mushier" than the grass on the
> left.  I've looked at a few other images and I see the same kind of
> behavior.  I guess this is the dreaded "decentering" defect.
>
> Also, when I shoot near the long end of the zoom, the autofocus is very
> accurate.  When I try to autofocus on distant objects at 16mm, the camera
> seems to immediately "give up" and default to about 10 feet (3 meters) or
> so.  Autofocus seems ok for nearer objects.
>
> I'll have to mount this lens on my *ist-Ds to see if it's a K10D thing.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --Mark


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Re: Handlebars

[Ken Waller]

Paul, Is this full frame?
I prefer not to have his head cut off as is (loks like a mistake) or more 
cut off so it looks deliberate.

Not at all what I'd expect from ISO 1000!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Handlebars


> The coffee shop portraits. "Handlebars"
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7009901
>
> K20D, DA 50-200, heavy backlight, f5.6, 1/160th, ISO 1000, weak noise
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Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG

[Christine Aguila]

Good one, Godfrey!   C

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Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG


> Um, no, not at all. I espressly love these punnish decaffeinates. ]'-)
>
> G
>
> On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>
>> Experiencing a hint of bitter after-taste from our morning cupper,
>> are we?
>> ;-)  Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:05 AM, David Savage wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Bong Manayon
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First time for me to comment on coffee shop photos...this perks me
> up!

 Urgh...what a grind.
>>>
>>> I might just have to start filtering posts a little more. I'm feeling
>>> a little French, pressed to get through them all, and would like only
>>> comments on the photos to percolate into this mailbox.
>>>
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Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Um, no, not at all. I espressly love these punnish decaffeinates. ]'-)

G

On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> Experiencing a hint of bitter after-taste from our morning cupper,  
> are we?
> ;-)  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG
>
>
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:05 AM, David Savage wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Bong Manayon
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 First time for me to comment on coffee shop photos...this perks me
 up!
>>>
>>> Urgh...what a grind.
>>
>> I might just have to start filtering posts a little more. I'm feeling
>> a little French, pressed to get through them all, and would like only
>> comments on the photos to percolate into this mailbox.
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Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?

[David Savage]

Well I think the the Pentax software handles the high ISO (1600+) shots better.

I took some at ISO 3200 in mixed WB lighting & adjusting the white
balance in ACR introduced some interesting noise. The same shot
processed in PhotoLab was much better.

I hate using PPL though. It's slow, has an awkward interface. (and did
I mention it's slow).

I just hope that Adobe bring out an update soon.

Cheers,

Dave

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> To be fair, I should add that I haven't tried the Pentax software
>  since the first version that came with the *istD. Am I missing
>  something? That first version delivered noisy results and didn't
>  allow for stretching the dynamic range like ACR does. The results
>  were not pleasing. I didn't know that anyone was using Pentax
>  software for RAW conversion. Is your claim of superiority based on
>  comparisons? Should I give it another chance?
>  Paul

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Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG

[Christine Aguila]

Experiencing a hint of bitter after-taste from our morning cupper, are we? 
;-)  Cheers, Christine


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>
> On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:05 AM, David Savage wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Bong Manayon
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> First time for me to comment on coffee shop photos...this perks me
>>> up!
>>
>> Urgh...what a grind.
>
> I might just have to start filtering posts a little more. I'm feeling
> a little French, pressed to get through them all, and would like only
> comments on the photos to percolate into this mailbox.
>
> Godfrey
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Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

No. It's still crap software.

There are only two reasons to use PPL ...

- So you can obtain the same JPEG rendering as the camera produces.
- Because it's free.

To the first, if that's what I wanted, I'd make the image processing  
settings on the camera and not waste my time with post processing.

To the second, I already have better tools that work with all my RAW  
image files.

G


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> To be fair, I should add that I haven't tried the Pentax software
> since the first version that came with the *istD. Am I missing
> something?

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Re: PPG Brain Damaged Voting System

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I ignore the voting nonsense entirely. I disagree with the concept  
and don't waste any energy thinking about it.

I post a batch of photos now and then. Some are "accepted". Most are  
not. Sometimes I notice which are which before I post another batch.  
Sometimes not.

Sadly, the voting system makes me not care at all.

G

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Re: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

[Cotty]

On 3/3/08, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

>G'day Trend Setters,
>
>Was out at a cafe yesterday, had a (new) camera, played a silly game
>with a little kid, took a picture & thought I'd share (~140kb)
>
>
>
>As always any & all comments welcome


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Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:05 AM, David Savage wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Bong Manayon  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> First time for me to comment on coffee shop photos...this perks me  
>> up!
>
> Urgh...what a grind.

I might just have to start filtering posts a little more. I'm feeling  
a little French, pressed to get through them all, and would like only  
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Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?

[Paul Stenquist]

To be fair, I should add that I haven't tried the Pentax software  
since the first version that came with the *istD. Am I missing  
something? That first version delivered noisy results and didn't  
allow for stretching the dynamic range like ACR does. The results  
were not pleasing. I didn't know that anyone was using Pentax  
software for RAW conversion. Is your claim of superiority based on  
comparisons? Should I give it another chance?
Paul
On Mar 1, 2008, at 10:46 PM, David Savage wrote:

> OK
>
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Pentax Photo Lab processed shots may look less noisy, but they  
>> lose detail as well. If you saw the 1600 ISO shots I posted, I  
>> think you'd have to agree that they're coparable to ISO 400 K10D  
>> shots in terms of noise -- with no loss of detail. They're all ACR  
>> processed. I have never seen any benefit to using the Pentax  
>> software. In the past or now. ACR used correctly -- or lightroom,  
>> which is the same code -- is far superior.
>>
>> Paul
>>   -- Original message --
>>  From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Not IMO.
>>>
>>> Pics processed with Pentax Photo lab, especially high ISO shots,  
>>> have
>>> their noise controlled much better
>>>
>>> Shame that the program is such a PITA to use.
>>>
>>> CHeers,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:13 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 ACR works splendidly with the K20D DNG files.
  Paul


  -- Original message --
  From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The K20D .pef formt is different enought that ACR doesn't know  
> what to
> do with them.
>
> I'm waiting for an Adobe update as ACR doesn't seem to handle  
> the RAW
> files as well as the supplied Pentax software (urgh)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>>>
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Re: Handlebars

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Christine. He's a character.
Paul
On Mar 2, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> Paul:  Great photo!!!  Lots of fun to see this.  Cheers, Christine
>
>
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>
>
>> The coffee shop portraits. "Handlebars"
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7009901
>>
>> K20D, DA 50-200, heavy backlight, f5.6, 1/160th, ISO 1000, weak noise
>> reduction
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Re: Antarctica Slide Scan

[Christine Aguila]

Walt:  My husband & I looked at this photo and went wooow!!!  Very nice. 
Great scan too.  I don't have a Costco by me. I have a CVS.  Maybe I'll try 
them.  I wanted a scanner, but I might start taking film negs to CVS after 
reading the recent thread on scanning.  Anyway, nice photo.  Cheers, 
Christine


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Subject: PESO: Antarctica Slide Scan


> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/Lake-Vanda-Antarctica.jpg
>
> This is one of the slides I had scanned at Costco.
> It shows Dr. Sam Travis, Univ. of Nebraska (1977) pointing out Lake
> Vanda in the Dry Valleys, Antarctica.
> It had been so long that I had viewed some of these slides I am slowly
> recollecting some of the places and people involved.
> Damn sure is terrible to get so old and forgetful!
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Re: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

[Jack Davis]

Cute shot with an appealing point. Well seen.
Clean 800 ISO shadows.

Jack
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> G'day Trend Setters,
> 
> Was out at a cafe yesterday, had a (new) camera, played a silly game
> with a little kid, took a picture & thought I'd share (~140kb)
> 
> 
> 
> As always any & all comments welcome
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
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Re: Handlebars

[Christine Aguila]

Paul:  Great photo!!!  Lots of fun to see this.  Cheers, Christine


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> The coffee shop portraits. "Handlebars"
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7009901
>
> K20D, DA 50-200, heavy backlight, f5.6, 1/160th, ISO 1000, weak noise
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Re: Peekaboo, I See You

[Christine Aguila]

Hey there Dave:  Very sweet photo with a cute little hobbit foot underneath 
the table!  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You


> G'day Trend Setters,
>
> Was out at a cafe yesterday, had a (new) camera, played a silly game
> with a little kid, took a picture & thought I'd share (~140kb)
>
> 
>
> As always any & all comments welcome
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG

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On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Bong Manayon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First time for me to comment on coffee shop photos...this perks me up!

Urgh...what a grind.

Dave

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Re: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

[David Savage]

Thanks Paul.

Cheers,

Dave

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good catch and a nice rendering.
>  Paul
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:23 AM, David Savage wrote:
>  > 

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Re: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

[David Savage]

I expect I would have received some dirty looks from mum & dad if they
had noticed.

But the way that they were seated only the 2 little ones saw me ;-)

Thanks for looking.

Cheers,

Dave

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave,
>  Lovely picture and nice that you can do that.
>  US parent can get pretty paranoid.
>  Try taking pictures with a big camera in a MickeyD's playland.
>  Regards,  Bob S.
>
>
>
>  On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:23 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > 

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Re: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

[David Savage]

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cute pix

Thank you.

> - how'd you get the kid to stay still for so long??

Errr...whoops... :-)

Thanks, page has been updated

Cheers,

Dave


>  David Savage wrote:
>  > 

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Re: Need advice about 300mm 2.8 (I'm a lucky dog)

[Francis]

Thanks for your help guys!
The Pentax A and FA versions I've seen so far are, for me, prohibitively 
expensive (2,000.00 -3,500.00). Do old beaters (that still work) ever 
sell for < 1000 ?

Mike: when you said "You can get an AF version that will work with all 
present Pentax DSLRs" are you referring to a AF version of the adapter? 
Or a newer version of the lens? If the latter, do you know if these are 
also "adaplall" so that if I found one in Canon/Nikon mount I could just 
get a new adapter?


Thanks again,
Francis - (foaming at the mouth)

mike wilson wrote:

Happy birthday.  The Tamron is an excellent lens, so close in imaging 
capabilities to the Pentax in everything but price that you will find it 
difficult to distinguish between them.  The manual focus version uses an 
adaptor mount that allows you to choose between A, M or screwmount Pentax 
cameras.  Or most other popular mounts.  The adaptors are about £50 new but not 
so easy to find like that, these days.  You can get an AF version that will 
work with all present Pentax DSLRs.  Or you could get the Pentax AF 1.7 
converter and the manual version..

>> From: Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2008/03/01 Sat PM 07:59:08 GMT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Need advice about 300mm 2.8 (I'm a lucky dog)
>>
>>
>> Yesterday I turned 5.
>> And my mommy and daddy gave me a card that said:  300mm F2.8
>>
>> I just about exploded! I've taken tens of thousands of bird photos over 
>> the last few years, all with a good but not quite well suited K200mm 2.5.
>>
>> So now the question is which one should I get? Have any of you used one 
>> of the old Tamron 300mm f2.8? Are they A enabled or is it green button 
>> material? And when they say "for canon FD" or for something else, does 
>> that just mean it has that adapter on it? Or are they mount specific? 
>> how about the older Tokina telephotos? Are they good (and cheapish)?
>>
>> Any suggestions on this would be muchly appreciated!
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Re: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

[Paul Stenquist]

Good catch and a nice rendering.
Paul
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> G'day Trend Setters,
>
> Was out at a cafe yesterday, had a (new) camera, played a silly game
> with a little kid, took a picture & thought I'd share (~140kb)
>
> 
>
> As always any & all comments welcome
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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Re: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

[Paul Sorenson]

Cute pix - how'd you get the kid to stay still for so long??

;>}

-p

David Savage wrote:
> G'day Trend Setters,
> 
> Was out at a cafe yesterday, had a (new) camera, played a silly game
> with a little kid, took a picture & thought I'd share (~140kb)
> 
> 
> 
> As always any & all comments welcome
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
> 


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RE: OT - Any Folkies?

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> 
> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/03/02 Sun AM 09:27:33 GMT
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Subject: RE: OT - Any Folkies?
> 
> 
> Crazy felluccas:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIHBUGvAUMo 

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Re: PESO 2008 - 16 - GDG

[Bong Manayon]

First time for me to comment on coffee shop photos...this perks me up!
 I like the texture especially on the wall where there letters are
shiny and reflective in contrast to what would probably be a matte
finish.  Beautiful...

Bong

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another photo available for viewing ...
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/godders/16-pensive.jpg
>Pensive Moment - This Cafe Life 2008
>Panasonic L1 + Vario-Elmarit-D 14-50/2.8-3.5 ASPH OIS
>ISO 160 @ f/3.5 @ 1/25 sec, fl=44mm
>
>  Comments and critique always appreciated. :-)
>
>  enjoy
>  Godfrey
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Re: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
Lovely picture and nice that you can do that.
US parent can get pretty paranoid.
Try taking pictures with a big camera in a MickeyD's playland.
Regards,  Bob S.

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>
> Was out at a cafe yesterday, had a (new) camera, played a silly game
> with a little kid, took a picture & thought I'd share (~140kb)
>
> 
>
> As always any & all comments welcome
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

[David Savage]

G'day Trend Setters,

Was out at a cafe yesterday, had a (new) camera, played a silly game
with a little kid, took a picture & thought I'd share (~140kb)



As always any & all comments welcome

Cheers,

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Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?

[Paul Stenquist]

I didn't even try to install it. Don't plan to do so. The only Pentax  
software I use is the Remote Assistant. The rest is useless IMO.
Pal
On Mar 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, Jim King wrote:

> Jay Taylor wrote on Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:18:57 -0800
>
>> Does anyone know how to convert PEF files to DNG's? I can't get the
>> freakin' Pentax software to install on my Mac.
>> Lightroom can't read em, nor can PS3/Bridge or Bibble.
>
> I also had problems with the Pentax installer for PPB/PPL v3.5 which
> came with my K20D - it seems to be broken.  I called Pentax but their
> support technician was clueless so I had to figure it out for myself.
> The good news is that you can deal with the problem by opening the
> installer package using the "Show Package Contents" command in the
> right-click menu. Then you need to find the package INSTPUT035 via the
> path Contents>Resources>OSX>INSTPUT035.  The two programs PPB and PPL
> are within INSTPUT035.  Open it using the "Show Package Contents "
> command again and simply copy them to your application folder.  (I
> keep mine in a folder labeled " PENTAX Digital Camera Utility", which
> is the folder the installer would generate if it were working.)
> The bad news is that these programs are still buggy in operation -
> they tend to crash a lot.  Save early and save often...
> Regards, Jim
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Re: OT: The dollar and ebay sales

[Paul Stenquist]

My auctions might have benefited from an earlier close, as the  
majority of bidders were Europeans right up to the last few hours.  
But I was counting on the drunk Americans to  put it over the top:-).  
In any case, Pentax gear sells much better than it once did.
Paul
On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Cotty,
> Some people's Sunday Evening is other's Sunday afternoon.
> I'd do 9 or 10 PM Sunday in Chicago, but all you Englishmen are  
> asleep then.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 1/3/08, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> Paul,
>>> Why did you do Saturday night.
>>> I would think Sunday afternoon is the prefered timing.
>>
>> That's interesting - I would never do a Sunday afternoon. I always
>> finish on a Sunday evening, about 9 or 10.
>>
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Re: OT: The dollar and ebay sales

[Bob Sullivan]

Cotty,
Some people's Sunday Evening is other's Sunday afternoon.
I'd do 9 or 10 PM Sunday in Chicago, but all you Englishmen are asleep then.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/3/08, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Paul,
> >Why did you do Saturday night.
> >I would think Sunday afternoon is the prefered timing.
>
> That's interesting - I would never do a Sunday afternoon. I always
> finish on a Sunday evening, about 9 or 10.
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Re: Battery Charger for K10D

[Bob Sullivan]

Do I detect an undercurrent of sarcasm here?   Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:04 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WOW!!!
>
> This took 3 days to make it into my inbox.
>
> It's a good thing it wasn't anything shockingly important.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:50 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 09:38 AM 29/02/2008, Cotty wrote:
> >  > >Oh yeah, and I plan to charge it to my credit card.  Just thought I'd
> >  > >get the electrical puns started.
> >  >
> >  >I like to see an nice positive attitude.
> >
> >  This thread is sure to polarise the list
> >
> >  Dave
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> >
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Re: Battery Charger for K10D

[David Savage]

WOW!!!

This took 3 days to make it into my inbox.

It's a good thing it wasn't anything shockingly important.

Cheers,

Dave

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:50 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 09:38 AM 29/02/2008, Cotty wrote:
>  > >Oh yeah, and I plan to charge it to my credit card.  Just thought I'd
>  > >get the electrical puns started.
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>  >I like to see an nice positive attitude.
>
>  This thread is sure to polarise the list
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>  Dave
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Re: Battery Charger for K10D

[David Savage]

At 09:38 AM 29/02/2008, Cotty wrote:
> >Oh yeah, and I plan to charge it to my credit card.  Just thought I'd
> >get the electrical puns started.
>
>I like to see an nice positive attitude.

This thread is sure to polarise the list

Dave



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Re: PESO - Toronto the Good?

[Scott Loveless]

frank theriault wrote:
> 
> No, I've never been in the place...
> 
Well, why the hell not?

When we lived in St. Louis, the county was still enforcing "Blue Laws". 
  Basically, you couldn't buy or sell booze from 1am to noon on Sundays. 
  (I may be off an hour or two on the time.)  Once, after a very rude 
cashier pulled my sixer off the conveyor and proceeded to scold me for 
trying to buy the stuff at 11:45am, I told him that the only people who 
cared if I bought it were in church and couldn't see the sin going down 
anyway.

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Re: OT: The dollar and ebay sales

[Paul Stenquist]

People are drinking more on Saturday night and their purse strings  
are looser. At least that's the way I see it. But I could be wrong.
Paul
On Mar 1, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Paul,
> Why did you do Saturday night.
> I would think Sunday afternoon is the prefered timing.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:07 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The auctions have ended. While Europeans bid everything up, US  
>> buyers took three of my five auctions. One went to a Canadian, one  
>> to a fellow in Italy.
>>
>> Of interest: The *istD went for $290, the bater grip for $110.   
>> The M 35/2 went for $139.50
>> Paul
>>
>>  -- Original message --
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> My current ebay sales are going very well with more than an hour  
>>> to go.
>>> Everything will sell. The M 35/2 already has six bidders, and  
>>> it's over a
>>> hundred dollars. The vivitar 70-210, which failed to sell last  
>>> time I posted it,
>>> is at about $80. Both are now going for more than I purchased  
>>> them for. The
>>> *istD, the battery grip and the Sigma flash will sell as well.  
>>> The battery grip
>>> has already been bid up to close to new price. The buyers? All in  
>>> Europe. Two in
>>> Italy, two in France, one in Poland. Taking advantage of the weak  
>>> dollar. A good
>>> thing for us Americanos:-).
>>> Paul
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Re: My dog

[pnstenquist]

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From: "Christine  Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Frank, does tilt very well!
> >
Yes, but always to the left.




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RE: Peso: ~ King ~

[Bob W]

> 
> I wish you guys had your national symbol all to yourselves.  
> They've become
> quite a nuisance many places here in "Merrica".  8-)
> 
> Bill
> 
> I gotta say, you 'Murricans got it tough.  Trying to capture your
> national symbol in a photo (I almost said "on film" - old habits die
> hard) is tough.
> 
> We Canadians have the mighty but rather slower beaver as our
national
> symbol.  Not quite so majestic, but easier to capture, I'm sure...
> 
> Wonderful photo, BTW.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 

If the USA and Canada ever unite do you think the symbol of the new
country would be the bald beaver?

Bob


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Re: PESO: Antarctica Slide Scan

[AlunFoto]

No, the frozen des(s)ert. Just add some vanilla flavour and eat before it melts.

Jostein

2008/3/1, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 1/3/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Although it looks as if it wants the caption, "Some day son, all this
> >will be yours!"
>
> What, the curtains??
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Re: PESO: Antarctica Slide Scan

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/03/02 Sun AM 12:03:55 GMT
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> 
> Cotty wrote:
> > On 1/3/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > 
> >> Although it looks as if it wants the caption, "Some day son, all this 
> >> will be yours!"
> > 
> > What, the curtains??
> 
> I thought Mike Wilson would be first with that line...
> ;-)

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RE: OT - Any Folkies?

[Bob W]

> music styles all on one field. The other attraction is the age range
-
> literally from 8 to 80.

that should keep the Rolling Stones and their wives away then.

Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
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> Subject: Re: OT - Any Folkies?
> 
> On 2/3/08, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >
> >Not all that strange, really.  If you look at the Fairport Family
> >Tree (initially on the album cover of "History Of ..." but much
> >expanded as the years pass) you'll see that Fairport have their
> >contacts with an extremely wide-ranging group of musicians.
> 
> One of the key attractions of the Cropredy Festival. They invite
> musician friends old and new along and you get the most amazing mix
of
> music styles all on one field. The other attraction is the age range
-
> literally from 8 to 80. The venue is lovely, with the vent 
> spilling out
> into the village of Cropredy itself, which opens its heart to 
> the event.
> There is only one bar in the arena - nothing backstage - so 
> artists come
> out for a pint of Wadsworth 6X and can easily be bumped into 
> for a chat.
> I have see this nowhere else. The atmosphere is pretty good, highly
> recommended.


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