Re: Article and pictures published

2008-04-03 Thread Dario Bonazza
Thanks to all who commented. Now I'm going to leave home for attending the 
PhotoShow fair in Rome (and managing the AOHC desk at Pentax booth), hence 
I'll be offlist until Tuesday.
Ciao,
Dario

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Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:42 AM
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> cool, good job!
>
> rg2
>
> On 4/2/08, Stan Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Congratulations - good exposure for you ;-)
>>
>> stan
>>
>> On Apr 2, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>> > Hi gang,
>> >
>> > An article (text and pictures by me, including cover picture) on
>> > using flash
>> > with available light has been published by an Italian photo
>> > magazine called
>> > PC Photo (formerly Progresso Fotografico, established 1894). Here
>> > is the
>> > magazine cover:
>> > http://www.dariobonazza.com/puble.htm
>> > (it's the uppermost picture)
>> >
>> > All picturese were taken with K10D, AF540FGZ flash unit and several
>> > lenses.
>> > As per publisher's request, I cannot supply the article in
>> > electronic form
>> > now, but I will probably be allowed to do that within a few months.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Dario
>> >
>> >
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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-03 Thread John Mullan
Can you say April Fool?  That's what it sounds like, and the timing is 
right.
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Subject: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff


>I was in my local camera store today and the clerk I
> deal with knows I am a Pentax guy. She let me know
> that their sales rep sent an email informing them that
> all the USA sales reps and managers had been let go.
> Some of the other guys behind the counter said they
> heard Pentax in the states is not making money and
> maybe Hoya is blaming the sales staff. I just thought
> I would pass this along. Has anyone heard anything
> about what this means for Pentax USA?
>
> Jim M.
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Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-03 Thread J. Meeks
I was in my local camera store today and the clerk I
deal with knows I am a Pentax guy. She let me know
that their sales rep sent an email informing them that
all the USA sales reps and managers had been let go.
Some of the other guys behind the counter said they
heard Pentax in the states is not making money and
maybe Hoya is blaming the sales staff. I just thought
I would pass this along. Has anyone heard anything
about what this means for Pentax USA?

Jim M.

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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Christine Aguila

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From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> From: "Christine  Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> Seriously though, what do you think?
>>
> You do it, I'll read it.  Promise.

I giggled at this.  Well, truth be told, I'm not that surprised at the 
responses, but I thought I'd put the idea out there anyway.  I promise not 
to pester you'all with another idea for another 6 months ;-).

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Ken Waller
> 42

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website


> 42
>
> John Francis wrote:
>> How many countable infinities are there?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote:
>>> I've always liked the countable infinities.  The uncountable ones seem
>>> so passe.
>>>
>> Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/03/08 5:11 PM >>>
>>> Steve Desjardins wrote:
 Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as
>>> unhelpful
 as the philosophers.

 Steve the philosophy major

>>> "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:53 AM >>>
> anywhere close to infinity
 is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
 out there?
>>> Which infinity?  The infinity of natural numbers?  The infinity of real
>>> numbers?  The infinity of human stupidity?
>>>
>>> -- 
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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-03 Thread Ken Waller
The apparent improved high ISO performance (thanks Paul) really sold me, 
otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have resisted.

Kenneth Waller
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From: "Cory Waters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Is the K20D Popular?


>I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over the K10
> (right?)
> I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera compelling
> me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the K10 to
> replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I get
> the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut
> feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more
> widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that out.
> What do you guys think?
>
> CW


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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Rick Womer
Christine,

This list =is= a magazine!  It comes out every day
(many times a day), has photos and critiques and
how-to's and stories and dumb-ass "letters to the
editor" and everything else one could want.

Any time we spent writing or editing a "magazine"
would be time we =weren't= spending wasting on PDML or
shooting!

Rick


--- Christine  Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really
> matter right now.
> 
> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a
> spring/summer issue & a fall/winter 
> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific
> to Pentax equipment 
> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery,
> Pentax events, Pentax 
> history features, photographic movements,
> photographic scholarship, and 
> regular departments.  And more . . .
> 
> We could vote for folks willing to be on the
> editorial committee.  We'd draw 
> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and
> international experience so 
> evident on this list.
> 
> Just some article ideas to get us going
> 
> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy
> photographer
> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
> Cassino Snowflakes
> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When
> your K100D does this, 
> then do this
> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car
> photography
> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
> etc etc
> 
> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could
> write it in German ;-)
> 
> Seriously though, what do you think?
> 
> Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread David Savage
At 10:04 AM 4/04/2008, Paul Stenquist wrote:

>On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:46 PM, David Savage wrote:
> >>> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>> I'm a trifle horrified
> >
> > I'm a trifle lover.
> >
> > Mtrifle...om nom nom nom
>
>No pudding for you, young man!


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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
An infinite number, you can count them all you want...

John Francis wrote:
> How many countable infinities are there?
>
> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote:
>   
>> I've always liked the countable infinities.  The uncountable ones seem
>> so passe.
>>
>> 
> Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/03/08 5:11 PM >>>
>   
>> Steve Desjardins wrote:
>> 
>>> Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as
>>>   
>> unhelpful
>> 
>>> as the philosophers.
>>>
>>> Steve the philosophy major
>>>
>>>   
>> "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:53 AM >>>
>> 
 anywhere close to infinity
 
>>> is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
>>> out there?
>>>   
>> Which infinity?  The infinity of natural numbers?  The infinity of real 
>> numbers?  The infinity of human stupidity?
>>
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Re: K20D RAW Files Error?

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Doug Franklin wrote:
> Timber wrote:
>   
>> :D Okay okay! The english name just didn't came to my mind :D
>>
>> .t
>>
>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>> 
>>> "wolfram-bubbles"  Sounds more high tech in a strange physics sort of way...
>>>   
>
> I believe
>
> Wolfram = Tungsten
>   
Tungsten-bubbles???

Now that just sounds weird.

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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:46 PM, David Savage wrote:
> At 05:18 PM 3/04/2008, mike wilson wrote:
>
>>>
>>> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>> I'm a trifle horrified
>
> I'm a trifle lover.
>
> Mtrifle...om nom nom nom

No pudding for you, young man!

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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread David Savage
At 05:18 PM 3/04/2008, mike wilson wrote:

> >
> > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > I'm a trifle horrified

I'm a trifle lover.

Mtrifle...om nom nom nom


Cheers,

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Re: Pets in your home, photos and fee

2008-04-03 Thread William Robb

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From: "David J Brooks"
Subject: Re: Pets in your home, photos and fee


> Sorry Bill, i thought i best snip your email, as it may be close to
> the KB limit.
>
> I don;t know if i'm undercutting any pro animal photographers in this
> area, after all i still am one,  for the most part, its mostly one
> animal.:-)
>
> The $1400 per sitting people are not in this area, by a long shot.
> However, i feel i can do a good job, am willing to do a free reshot
> should the customer not be happy, and i feel $60.00 for an hours work,
> well, is good.
>
> Additional monies are made from prints or CD's etc.
>
> Besides, how can i ever get to $1400 a sitting if i don't start some were.
>
> I;m not like truck drivers who seem to start off with 18 years
> experience, or at least thats what i get from the CB conversations.

My point was more that submarining your market can be a fatal mistake. You'd be 
charging far 
less than 60 beans/hour to do that.

William Robb 


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Re: Pets in your home, photos and fee

2008-04-03 Thread David J Brooks
Sorry Bill, i thought i best snip your email, as it may be close to
the KB limit.

I don;t know if i'm undercutting any pro animal photographers in this
area, after all i still am one,  for the most part, its mostly one
animal.:-)

The $1400 per sitting people are not in this area, by a long shot.
However, i feel i can do a good job, am willing to do a free reshot
should the customer not be happy, and i feel $60.00 for an hours work,
well, is good.

Additional monies are made from prints or CD's etc.

Besides, how can i ever get to $1400 a sitting if i don't start some were.

I;m not like truck drivers who seem to start off with 18 years
experience, or at least thats what i get from the CB conversations.

Dave

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

>  I'm a little late chiming in, but I wanted to cogitate on this a bit. 
> Certainly in a free
>  market, one can charge whatever they like, but there are downsides to 
> undercutting the market as
>  well.
>  William Robb
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Re: GFM: Sold out

2008-04-03 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mark Roberts wrote:
>  > I didn't check the site yesterday. Anyone notice when they announced all
>  > seats were filled?
>  >
>
>  April 1st.

:-(

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Re: Mark Cargill's K20D test

2008-04-03 Thread Christine Aguila
Good article.  Thanks, Paul.  Cheers, Christine


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> Brit photog Mark Cargill tested the K20D and rated it quite highly. See it 
> here:
> http://www.markcargill.co.uk/... 
> .../Newsletter/April%202008%20Newsletter.pdf
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Christine Aguila

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> 
> Wimpey, at a guess.

yes, I think that was the name!  Cheers, Christine



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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Christine Aguila
lol!!!  Cheers, Christine

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> I'm not at all surprised that the construction workers are in broad
> agreement with such a policy - they are terribly enlightened over
> here, as this documentary proves:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u3j0d6iI_U
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
John Francis wrote:
> How many countable infinities are there?

I don't know, but I'd guess there's an uncountably infinite number of them.

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Scott Loveless
42

John Francis wrote:
> How many countable infinities are there?
> 
> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote:
>> I've always liked the countable infinities.  The uncountable ones seem
>> so passe.
>>
> Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/03/08 5:11 PM >>>
>> Steve Desjardins wrote:
>>> Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as
>> unhelpful
>>> as the philosophers.
>>>
>>> Steve the philosophy major
>>>
>> "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:53 AM >>>
 anywhere close to infinity
>>> is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
>>> out there?
>> Which infinity?  The infinity of natural numbers?  The infinity of real 
>> numbers?  The infinity of human stupidity?
>>
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:30:00PM -0500, Christine  Aguila wrote:
> 
> Apparently, a construction company by the 
> name of Wimbley (sp?) has banned the famous Wolf whistle.

Wimpey, at a guess.

(Often jokingly regarded as an acronym for "We Import More Paddies
Every Year" - many of the construction workers in the UK are Irish).


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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't think the K20 is selling as well as the K10 did in its first  
month. But the K10 was a HUGE improvement over the *ist line. The K20  
is another substantial step up, but the K10 is a very capable camera.  
The K20 is getting a lot of good ink. I think it will continue to  
sell well for quite a while, but it won't experience that huge,  
initial surge that marked the intro of the K10. Of course this is all  
conjecture. I haven't seen any numbers. I doubt if we will before mid  
year at the earliest.
Paul
On Apr 3, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Cory Waters wrote:
> I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over the K10
> (right?)
> I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera  
> compelling
> me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the K10 to
> replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I get
> the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut
> feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more
> widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that  
> out.
> What do you guys think?
>
> CW
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread John Francis

How many countable infinities are there?

On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote:
> I've always liked the countable infinities.  The uncountable ones seem
> so passe.
> 
> >>> Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/03/08 5:11 PM >>>
> Steve Desjardins wrote:
> > Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as
> unhelpful
> > as the philosophers.
> > 
> > Steve the philosophy major
> > 
>  "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:53 AM >>>
> >> anywhere close to infinity
> > 
> > is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
> > out there?
> 
> Which infinity?  The infinity of natural numbers?  The infinity of real 
> numbers?  The infinity of human stupidity?
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RE: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob W
> From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Although my new one might be Woolfhardisworthy.
> 
> Mike:  Is this an adjective for that famous British Wolf 
> whistle or Wolf 
> call British construction workers are famous for?--Heard a 
> funny BBC radio 
> story on the way to work today.  Apparently, a construction 
> company by the 
> name of Wimbley (sp?) has banned the famous Wolf whistle.  
> Turns out the 
> construction workers are ok with this new policy, but the 
> women are upset by 
> the ban--at least the handful interviewed for the story are.
> 
> Cheers, Christine

I'm not at all surprised that the construction workers are in broad
agreement with such a policy - they are terribly enlightened over
here, as this documentary proves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u3j0d6iI_U

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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Desjardins
I think the K10D inspired thoughts of "Oh boy they're not dead".  The
K20D is not as big of a surprise, although it's still a welcome sign of
Pentax trying to compete.  For those of us with a lens investment, the
K10D meant that those lenses would continue to be useful.


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>>> Cory Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/03/08 5:53 PM >>>
I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over the K10 
(right?)
I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera compelling

me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the K10 to 
replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I get 
the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut 
feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more 
widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that out.
What do you guys think?

CW

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Re: Article and pictures published

2008-04-03 Thread Rebekah
cool, good job!

rg2

On 4/2/08, Stan Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Congratulations - good exposure for you ;-)
>
> stan
>
> On Apr 2, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> > Hi gang,
> >
> > An article (text and pictures by me, including cover picture) on
> > using flash
> > with available light has been published by an Italian photo
> > magazine called
> > PC Photo (formerly Progresso Fotografico, established 1894). Here
> > is the
> > magazine cover:
> > http://www.dariobonazza.com/puble.htm
> > (it's the uppermost picture)
> >
> > All picturese were taken with K10D, AF540FGZ flash unit and several
> > lenses.
> > As per publisher's request, I cannot supply the article in
> > electronic form
> > now, but I will probably be allowed to do that within a few months.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Christine Aguila

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Although my new one might be Woolfhardisworthy.

Mike:  Is this an adjective for that famous British Wolf whistle or Wolf 
call British construction workers are famous for?--Heard a funny BBC radio 
story on the way to work today.  Apparently, a construction company by the 
name of Wimbley (sp?) has banned the famous Wolf whistle.  Turns out the 
construction workers are ok with this new policy, but the women are upset by 
the ban--at least the handful interviewed for the story are.

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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-03 Thread Jack Davis
Cory, I don't have the 20D yet, but if I may offer a comment about the
relative "buzz" between it and the 10D.
I felt greatly relieved when I learned of the 10D commitment by Pentax.
I was getting despondent as a result of the endless array of 6.1
introductions thus falling further and further behind their
competition. Almost seemed they might be considering withdrawing from
the race and going for the endoscope market.
It was with much joy that "we" learned of the 10D, but the level of
upgrade to the 14.6 sensor is more of an anticipated step rather than a
glorious revelation.

Jack  
--- Cory Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over the K10
> 
> (right?)
> I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera
> compelling 
> me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the K10 to
> 
> replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I
> get 
> the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut 
> feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more 
> widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that
> out.
> What do you guys think?
> 
> CW
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Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-03 Thread Cory Waters
I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over the K10 
(right?)
I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera compelling 
me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the K10 to 
replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I get 
the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut 
feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more 
widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that out.
What do you guys think?

CW

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Re: GFM: Sold out

2008-04-03 Thread Cory Waters
I was #384 :)

CW


Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Lynn checked in the afternoon of April 1st.
> They were sold out.
> They didn't open until 9:30 AM or so,
> and I think they were closed by 5 PM.
>
> At 9:30 AM Tues., we were listed as #399.
> Today I got a notice that we have tickets
>
> We'll see you there!
> Regards,  Bob & Lynn S.
>
>
> On 4/3/08, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> I didn't check the site yesterday. Anyone notice when they announced all
>> seats were filled?
>>
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
Steve Desjardins wrote:
> I've always liked the countable infinities.  The uncountable ones seem
> so passe.

Well, then, that lets the infinity of human stupidity right out.

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Desjardins
I've always liked the countable infinities.  The uncountable ones seem
so passe.

>>> Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/03/08 5:11 PM >>>
Steve Desjardins wrote:
> Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as
unhelpful
> as the philosophers.
> 
> Steve the philosophy major
> 
 "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:53 AM >>>
>> anywhere close to infinity
> 
> is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
> out there?

Which infinity?  The infinity of natural numbers?  The infinity of real 
numbers?  The infinity of human stupidity?

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

> "Temporarily..." An awful word to pronounce for us Germans. Usually
> sounded as if someone had just fed them a glowing hot potatoe. :-))

"vorübergehend" ... hmmm, I see what you mean. :-)

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
AlunFoto wrote:

> Recently sorted out "ascertain", but I'm still struggling with "superfluous".

Superfluous is properly pronounced "extra". :-)

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
Bob Sullivan wrote:

> My point of view is that you haven't validated that you can recover
> your pictures from the data until you actually do such, or at least do
> a sample.  To say the bits and bites are all the same implies no other
> glitches in the process.

No doubt.  The number one most neglected part of backup systems and 
processes world wide is not testing the recovery/restore process. 
Mainly because in many cases a thorough test requires either a complete 
second system, or downtime of the main system.  That's not the case 
here, and anyone can easily test copying all of the files from a CD, 
DVD, or external drive.  Of course, you're still out of luck if you only 
have the one copy when it starts reporting errors.

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
Scott Loveless wrote:
> John Francis wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:27:39PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote:
>> A mathematician doesn't care what the value of 2+2 is; Relating this
>> to things that happen in the real world is a physics problem.
>>
> Christie says "I like him."  She doesn't think very much of me at the 
> moment, though.

Actually, applying math to the real world is an applied physics problem. 
  The theoretical physicists are quite as happy as the mathematicians 
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Godfrey,
My point of view is that you haven't validated that you can recover
your pictures from the data until you actually do such, or at least do
a sample.  To say the bits and bites are all the same implies no other
glitches in the process.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> I run a drive/file system validation utility about once every month
> or two on my archives. It's too much work to do that frequently on
> the small capacity media like CD and DVD ... loading and unloading
> 200-300 of these volumes is days of tedious work ... so I concentrate
> doing that for the hard drive archive systems only. Mount a terabyte
> drive, say "validate it" and come back in a couple of hours. All the
> hard drive archives are twinned disks so if there's a problem with
> one, the other is likely just fine and I dump the bad, replace it,
> recopy the data. (It's not happened in the past four years of doing
> it this way ...)
>
> For the small media, I just make two copies and store them carefully.
> So far, on spot checks, they're all fine. If I find a bad one, I'll
> make another copy of the good one.
>
> Replication, replication...
>
> Godfrey
>
> On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> > I understand the need for archival storage and try to do some.
> > My main fear is the amount of data I manipulate now and will in the
> > future.
> > With a large amounts of data, checking the conditions of the back-up
> > becomes an issue.
> > Some of us have encountered problems where the backup hasn't worked
> > for the last 15 months.
> > You only find that out when you try to go back and retrieve something.
> >
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
Steve Desjardins wrote:
> Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as unhelpful
> as the philosophers.
> 
> Steve the philosophy major
> 
 "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:53 AM >>>
>> anywhere close to infinity
> 
> is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
> out there?

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Re: K20D RAW Files Error?

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
Timber wrote:
> :D Okay okay! The english name just didn't came to my mind :D
> 
> .t
> 
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>> "wolfram-bubbles"  Sounds more high tech in a strange physics sort of way...

I believe

Wolfram = Tungsten


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OT: Happy Cheese Weasel Day!

2008-04-03 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
Happy Cheese Weasel Day, everyone!  

(April 3rd is the day the Cheese Weasel leaves a slice of cheese
under folks' keyboards.  There are a bunch of links to mentions
of it, including the Cheese Weasel song, at http://dglenn.insanejournal.com
or you can just Google it.)

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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Dario Bonazza
Vaaalentiiin!!!

Dario ;-)



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> Well we've already designed a number of front pages over the years...
>
> Jostein
>
> 2008/4/3, Christine  Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
>>
>> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a 
>> fall/winter
>> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment
>> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax
>> history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and
>> regular departments.  And more . . .
>>
>> We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd 
>> draw
>> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so
>> evident on this list.
>>
>> Just some article ideas to get us going
>>
>> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
>> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
>> Cassino Snowflakes
>> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does 
>> this,
>> then do this
>> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
>> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
>> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
>> etc etc
>>
>> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)
>>
>> Seriously though, what do you think?
>>
>> Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: GFM: Sold out

2008-04-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Lynn checked in the afternoon of April 1st.
They were sold out.
They didn't open until 9:30 AM or so,
and I think they were closed by 5 PM.

At 9:30 AM Tues., we were listed as #399.
Today I got a notice that we have tickets

We'll see you there!
Regards,  Bob & Lynn S.


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Re: PESO: Noodles

2008-04-03 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Rebekah. She had just had her first hair cut. Hate to see those long 
girls go, but they'll grow back.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> what great colors and lighting in that picture.  she sure is adorable!
> 
> rg2
> 
> On 4/3/08, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Bruce. She really chowed down last night. Must be going
> > through a growth spurt.
> > Paul
> > On Apr 2, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> > > Great expression on her face!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > > Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 6:48:48 PM, you wrote:
> > >
> > > PS> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7127482&size=lg
> > >
> > > PS> K20D, DA*50-135, 50 mm
> > > PS> f3.5, 1/60th, ISO 200
> > >
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Re: PESO: Noodles

2008-04-03 Thread Rebekah
what great colors and lighting in that picture.  she sure is adorable!

rg2

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> Thanks Bruce. She really chowed down last night. Must be going
> through a growth spurt.
> Paul
> On Apr 2, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> > Great expression on her face!
> >
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> > Best regards,
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 6:48:48 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > PS> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7127482&size=lg
> >
> > PS> K20D, DA*50-135, 50 mm
> > PS> f3.5, 1/60th, ISO 200
> >
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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
I meant *him* .

P. J. Alling wrote:
> Thank God, I thought for a moment there was more than one of them.
>
> Dario Bonazza wrote:
>   
>> Oops, I meant "Mark", of course!
>> Dario
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> ...and Marks writes on Cormorants.
>>>
>>> Dario
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:20 PM
>>> Subject: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
 and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.

 We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a 
 fall/winter
 issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment
 usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax
 history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and
 regular departments.  And more . . .

 We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd 
 draw
 from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so
 evident on this list.

 Just some article ideas to get us going

 Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
 Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
 Cassino Snowflakes
 Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does 
 this,
 then do this
 Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
 Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
 Ralf writes about shooting industry.
 etc etc

 And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)

 Seriously though, what do you think?

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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Scott Loveless wrote:
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>> I'm not sure the word "grumpy" does him justice.
>>
>> Steve Desjardins wrote:
>>> Actually, it doesn't, at least according to my browser. . . .
>>>
>>> And your forgot Bill Robb's regular column, "The Grumpy Pentaxian".
>>>
> Mebbe Mike Johnston could write that article and Bill could pen the 
> counterpoint.  Ooh.  Wouldn't that be fun?

Not for Mike. :)



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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
I'd pay to see that...

Scott Loveless wrote:
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>   
>> I'm not sure the word "grumpy" does him justice.
>>
>> Steve Desjardins wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, it doesn't, at least according to my browser. . . .
>>>
>>> And your forgot Bill Robb's regular column, "The Grumpy Pentaxian".
>>>
>>>   
> Mebbe Mike Johnston could write that article and Bill could pen the 
> counterpoint.  Ooh.  Wouldn't that be fun?
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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
I can see the title page now.*

PENTAX Something

(All the cormorants fit to print)

*I post this, by the way, with much egret.

AlunFoto wrote:
> Well we've already designed a number of front pages over the years...
>
> Jostein
>
> 2008/4/3, Christine  Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
>>
>> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a fall/winter
>> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment
>> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax
>> history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and
>> regular departments.  And more . . .
>>
>> We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd draw
>> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so
>> evident on this list.
>>
>> Just some article ideas to get us going
>>
>> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
>> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
>> Cassino Snowflakes
>> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does this,
>> then do this
>> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
>> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
>> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
>> etc etc
>>
>> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)
>>
>> Seriously though, what do you think?
>>
>> Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
I prefer redundant information.

AlunFoto wrote:
> 2008/4/3, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>> I bet they taught you the tourist pronunciation, didn't they! Ha ha -
>> it gets them every time. I love it when tourists ask me how to find
>> their way to 'Suvverk' and 'Lester Square'. I never get tired of that
>> joke.
>>
>> If you really want to impress the locals next time you're here, try
>> the proper Cockney pronunciations - 'sooth vark' and 'leek easter
>> square'. You'll be amazed at their friendly reaction - they might even
>> offer you a pint of their local pastie and a knees up!
>>
>> The best way to pronounce 'superfluous' is 'too much'.
>>
>> 
>
> Like in superfluous information? :-)
>
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Well my point was that I burned some perfectly good CDs on an HP 2100 
burner under Win98.  I moved that burner to a machine running Win2K, 
those CDs were unreadable.  They weren't that important so I put them 
aside to try some data recovery at a later time.  I acquired a DVD 
burner, that was put into the Win2K machine, and the HP 2100 was 
returned to the Win98 machine.  A while later I came across the 
unreadable CDs and decided to try to recover the data.  They worked the 
first time in the Win98 machine, the Win2K machine still can't read 
them.  Software and Drivers...

Bob Sullivan wrote:
> I understand the need for archival storage and try to do some.
> My main fear is the amount of data I manipulate now and will in the future.
> With a large amounts of data, checking the conditions of the back-up
> becomes an issue.
> Some of us have encountered problems where the backup hasn't worked
> for the last 15 months.
> You only find that out when you try to go back and retrieve something.
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Put your images into industry-standard formats (TIFF, JPEG, DNG) and
>> archive the files. Upgrade the storage medium as the medium is
>> improved by copying the files. Hard drives are the current standard
>> storage medium.
>>
>> These formats will be around for many many years. You don't have to
>> worry about software and drivers.
>>
>> Or, make five excellent prints of all your best work and delete all
>> the original files. This means that everything you have is as good as
>> a film image and print was.
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:04 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>> 
>>> You also need to keep the software and drivers too.  (I'd like to
>>> think
>>> I'm just paranoid...)
>>>
>>> AlunFoto wrote:
>>>   
 At the agency where I work, we received roughly a TB of documentation
 last year. Loads of DVDs and CDs.

 We've had important documentation on DVDs corrupted in less than 2
 years, and there's far much more money involved with these documents
 than with any photo.

 So we regard discs as transport media only.

 Privately, I tend to think the same way. I use DVDs as a second-stage
 disaster recovery backup, and make sure to keep the DVD unit used to
 produce the backup together with the discs. I don't wish to run the
 risk of subtle incompatibilities between different devices. And yes,
 I've seen that happen at work. I have even seen differences among DVD
 players/recorders from the same mfg. and same production run (similar
 serial numbers).

 Backup is, at its basest, a continuous and iterative process.
 
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Ah, but those are Zenit lenses another kettle of fish altogether.

Adam Maas wrote:
> But the Zenit M39 lenses can be used (Leica thread with M42/K register)
>
> -Adam
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:33 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Ok so the Leica S mount lenses could only be used a macro distances, but
>>  the Canon f0.95 would let in a lot of light!
>>
>>
>>
>>  P. J. Alling wrote:
>>  > Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby.  Any m42 lens and the
>>  > earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina
>>  > IIIS/Reflex  with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica
>>  > S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies
>>  > such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses,   not
>>  > to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses.  Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc.
>>  > These are just the adapters I know of.  The scope is daunting and the
>>  > number of different lenses is astounding.
>>  >
>>  > Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> Hi everybody,
>>  >>
>>  >> as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-)
>>  >>
>>  >> I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with
>>  >> all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital
>>  >> ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page
>>  >> (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because "kmp" has
>>  >> a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses,
>>  >> while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a
>>  >> Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it
>>  >> will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of
>>  >> external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc
>>  >> .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example
>>  >> one can easily filter for "ultra wide lenses that offer automatic
>>  >> aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall
>>  >> quality rating  greater or equal 4") and a set of permissions with what
>>  >> a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do
>>  >> or not. i think you get a rough idea.
>>  >>
>>  >> Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to
>>  >> maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn
>>  >> means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and
>>  >> I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested
>>  >> in helping me.
>>  >>
>>  >> Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i
>>  >> come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight,
>>  >> size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem,
>>  >> thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the
>>  >> lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some
>>  >> shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions
>>  >> will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice,
>>  >> with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar,
>>  >> except the contributor does not want to be mentioned.
>>  >>
>>  >> Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only
>>  >> some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as
>>  >> soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-)
>>  >>
>>  >> with kind regards from Germany,
>>  >> Andreas
>>  >>
>>  >> PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing,
>>  >> actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3
>>  >> Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except
>>  >> of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights.
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
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Re: Amazon has a good price on the K20D

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Give it a couple of months and the discounting will begin in earnest.

Steve Desjardins wrote:
> $1,122.80  with free shipping.  At least it sounds good to me.  Maybe
> I'm behind the times.
>
>
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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote:
> I'm not sure the word "grumpy" does him justice.
> 
> Steve Desjardins wrote:
>> Actually, it doesn't, at least according to my browser. . . .
>>
>> And your forgot Bill Robb's regular column, "The Grumpy Pentaxian".
>>
Mebbe Mike Johnston could write that article and Bill could pen the 
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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Thank God, I thought for a moment there was more than one of them.

Dario Bonazza wrote:
> Oops, I meant "Mark", of course!
> Dario
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .
>
>
>   
>> ...and Marks writes on Cormorants.
>>
>> Dario
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:20 PM
>> Subject: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .
>>
>>
>> 
>>> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
>>>
>>> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a 
>>> fall/winter
>>> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment
>>> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax
>>> history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and
>>> regular departments.  And more . . .
>>>
>>> We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd 
>>> draw
>>> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so
>>> evident on this list.
>>>
>>> Just some article ideas to get us going
>>>
>>> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
>>> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
>>> Cassino Snowflakes
>>> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does 
>>> this,
>>> then do this
>>> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
>>> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
>>> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
>>> etc etc
>>>
>>> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)
>>>
>>> Seriously though, what do you think?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Christine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Calling all the Kiwi's

2008-04-03 Thread Walter Hamler
Thanks all for the comments.
I'm still hoping some of the members who are from/in NZ will see and
post. I am still sorting out the cobwebs of my brain trying to
remember the name of that castle!

Walt

On 4/3/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Walt,
> That's a great gallery with spectacular views.
> Franz Joseph and Queenstown remind me that I have updated shots from 2006.
> That gas station in Franz Joseph is still there and the first thing you see.
> I also showed my wife the picture of your's,
> just to remember when WE were thin and not gray. ;-)
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:57 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes they are spectacular.  Looking at them I can't help to think of how
> > bored the locals must be with the scenery.
> >
> > David Savage wrote:
> > > Walt, I enjoyed them all, but some of those shots are jaw dropingly 
> > > stunning.
> > >
> > > Quite a good advertisement for NZ for sure.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/
> > >>
> > >>  I have added some pics of New Zealand's South Is that I shot back in
> > >>  75-77 when I was down there for Deepfreeze. I know there are some
> > >>  Kiwi's in this group and I would appreciate some insights to some of
> > >>  the pics that I may have forgotten. For one I cannot remember the name
> > >>  of the castle outside Christchurch that was a favorite tourist stop.
> > >>  Appreciate any help that can be provided.
> > >>
> > >>  Walt
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm not sure the word "grumpy" does him justice.

Steve Desjardins wrote:
> Actually, it doesn't, at least according to my browser. . . .
>
> And your forgot Bill Robb's regular column, "The Grumpy Pentaxian".
>
>
>   
 Andreas Pfotenhauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:52 AM >>>
 
> pentaxmagazine.org seems to be available :-)
>   
>> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
>>
>> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a
>> 
> fall/winter 
>   
>> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax
>> 
> equipment 
>   
>> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events,
>> 
> Pentax 
>   
>> history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship,
>> 
> and 
>   
>> regular departments.  And more . . .
>>
>> We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee. 
>> 
> We'd draw 
>   
>> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international
>> 
> experience so 
>   
>> evident on this list.
>>
>> Just some article ideas to get us going
>>
>> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
>> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
>> Cassino Snowflakes
>> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does
>> 
> this, 
>   
>> then do this
>> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
>> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
>> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
>> etc etc
>>
>> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German
>> 
> ;-)
>   
>> Seriously though, what do you think?
>>
>> Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: GFM: Sold out

2008-04-03 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
> I didn't check the site yesterday. Anyone notice when they announced all 
> seats were filled?
> 
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Re: GFM: Sold out

2008-04-03 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
> I didn't check the site yesterday. Anyone notice when they announced all 
> seats were filled?
> 

April 1st.

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GFM: Sold out

2008-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
I didn't check the site yesterday. Anyone notice when they announced all 
seats were filled?




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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I run a drive/file system validation utility about once every month  
or two on my archives. It's too much work to do that frequently on  
the small capacity media like CD and DVD ... loading and unloading  
200-300 of these volumes is days of tedious work ... so I concentrate  
doing that for the hard drive archive systems only. Mount a terabyte  
drive, say "validate it" and come back in a couple of hours. All the  
hard drive archives are twinned disks so if there's a problem with  
one, the other is likely just fine and I dump the bad, replace it,  
recopy the data. (It's not happened in the past four years of doing  
it this way ...)

For the small media, I just make two copies and store them carefully.  
So far, on spot checks, they're all fine. If I find a bad one, I'll  
make another copy of the good one.

Replication, replication...

Godfrey

On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> I understand the need for archival storage and try to do some.
> My main fear is the amount of data I manipulate now and will in the  
> future.
> With a large amounts of data, checking the conditions of the back-up
> becomes an issue.
> Some of us have encountered problems where the backup hasn't worked
> for the last 15 months.
> You only find that out when you try to go back and retrieve something.
>

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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
2008/4/3, Antti-Pekka Virjonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Tuo kyllä kuulostaa hyvältä!

Er'ekke nok nå'a?

Takk
Jostein

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I run a drive/file system validation utility about once every month  
or two on my archives. It's too much work to do that frequently on  
the small capacity media like CD and DVD ... loading and unloading  
200-300 of these volumes is days of tedious work ... so I concentrate  
doing that for the hard drive archive systems only. Mount a terabyte  
drive, say "validate it" and come back in a couple of hours. All the  
hard drive archives are twinned disks so if there's a problem with  
one, the other is likely just fine and I dump the bad, replace it,  
recopy the data. (It's not happened in the past four years of doing  
it this way ...)

For the small media, I just make two copies and store them carefully.  
So far, on spot checks, they're all fine. If I find a bad one, I'll  
make another copy of the good one.

Replication, replication...

Godfrey

On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> I understand the need for archival storage and try to do some.
> My main fear is the amount of data I manipulate now and will in the  
> future.
> With a large amounts of data, checking the conditions of the back-up
> becomes an issue.
> Some of us have encountered problems where the backup hasn't worked
> for the last 15 months.
> You only find that out when you try to go back and retrieve something.
>

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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
Well we've already designed a number of front pages over the years...

Jostein

2008/4/3, Christine  Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
>
> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a fall/winter
> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment
> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax
> history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and
> regular departments.  And more . . .
>
> We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd draw
> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so
> evident on this list.
>
> Just some article ideas to get us going
>
> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
> Cassino Snowflakes
> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does this,
> then do this
> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
> etc etc
>
> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)
>
> Seriously though, what do you think?
>
> Cheers, Christine
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: K20D RAW Files Error?

2008-04-03 Thread Timber
:D Okay okay! The english name just didn't came to my mind :D

.t

P. J. Alling wrote:
> "wolfram-bubbles"  Sounds more high tech in a strange physics sort of way...

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Re: PESO - Tracks in blue

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
Thanks a lot, all of you, for constructive comments.

The blueness is a construct all together, the "true" conditions were
heavy clouds and leaden gray light. For such conditions, the sight
range was remarkably long and contrasts were more crisp than one could
expect. That's why I wanted to play around with the light. Deep blue
could very well be perceived as a kind of dusk setting, and that's
what I was after. However, after a while I had trouble deciding how
much to press the issue.

Thanks again for the feedback. If you don't mind I might post a redo
of this one later... :-)

Best,
Jostein


Paul Stenquist wrote:
> If you mean, is it realistic? I would say no. But it's an attractive
> photo. Realism is of no concern to me, although it apparently is of
> major concern to some. If it's interesting and of visual value, it's
> worthy. This is worthy, but not on a par with your best work.

Mike Wilson wrote:
> It certainly makes you look twice but I can see no reason to believe it
> is not an honest portrayal.

Doug Franklin wrote:
> It seems too blue to me, Jostein, but I've never been to that part of
> the world, either ... for all I know, it appeared exactly like that. :-)

Godfrey wrote:
> I like the geometries and lines in it, overall find it a pleasing
> scene. It seems too blue for "realism" on my screen; not knowing what
> the scene actually appeared like I can't judge any further than that.

Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Is this a trick question?
> The picture is so blue on my laptop.
> Without the color cast, it would be a fine photo.
> As rendered, it is not what my eyes/brain 'see' in this kind of light.

P. J. Alling wrote:
> I didn't comment before but it is very blue.  (I downloaded a copy and
> even the autocolor control in Photoshop 7 gave somewhat better color
> rendition).

David Savage wrote:
> Not really.
> In my experience white sandy beaches & dunes are never that colour.

Ken Waller wrote:
> IMHO - no. The blue overall hue doesn't come across to me as real. Could be,
> but its not what I generally expect to see when viewing a snow scene.

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
The backup heaven is Restore. :-)

Jostein

2008/4/3, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I understand the need for archival storage and try to do some.
> My main fear is the amount of data I manipulate now and will in the future.
> With a large amounts of data, checking the conditions of the back-up
> becomes an issue.
> Some of us have encountered problems where the backup hasn't worked
> for the last 15 months.
> You only find that out when you try to go back and retrieve something.
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Put your images into industry-standard formats (TIFF, JPEG, DNG) and
> > archive the files. Upgrade the storage medium as the medium is
> > improved by copying the files. Hard drives are the current standard
> > storage medium.
> >
> > These formats will be around for many many years. You don't have to
> > worry about software and drivers.
> >
> > Or, make five excellent prints of all your best work and delete all
> > the original files. This means that everything you have is as good as
> > a film image and print was.
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> > On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:04 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> > > You also need to keep the software and drivers too.  (I'd like to
> > > think
> > > I'm just paranoid...)
> > >
> > > AlunFoto wrote:
> > >> At the agency where I work, we received roughly a TB of documentation
> > >> last year. Loads of DVDs and CDs.
> > >>
> > >> We've had important documentation on DVDs corrupted in less than 2
> > >> years, and there's far much more money involved with these documents
> > >> than with any photo.
> > >>
> > >> So we regard discs as transport media only.
> > >>
> > >> Privately, I tend to think the same way. I use DVDs as a second-stage
> > >> disaster recovery backup, and make sure to keep the DVD unit used to
> > >> produce the backup together with the discs. I don't wish to run the
> > >> risk of subtle incompatibilities between different devices. And yes,
> > >> I've seen that happen at work. I have even seen differences among DVD
> > >> players/recorders from the same mfg. and same production run (similar
> > >> serial numbers).
> > >>
> > >> Backup is, at its basest, a continuous and iterative process.
> >
> > >>>
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
2008/4/3, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I bet they taught you the tourist pronunciation, didn't they! Ha ha -
> it gets them every time. I love it when tourists ask me how to find
> their way to 'Suvverk' and 'Lester Square'. I never get tired of that
> joke.
>
> If you really want to impress the locals next time you're here, try
> the proper Cockney pronunciations - 'sooth vark' and 'leek easter
> square'. You'll be amazed at their friendly reaction - they might even
> offer you a pint of their local pastie and a knees up!
>
> The best way to pronounce 'superfluous' is 'too much'.
>

Like in superfluous information? :-)

Jostein

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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread mike wilson

> 
> From: "Christine  Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Seriously though, what do you think?
> 
You do it, I'll read it.  Promise.


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Re: Amazon has a good price on the K20D

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Desjardins
Canadian?  It was happy to charge my credit card that amount.  I didn't
actually buy it, just went through the checkout for a while.  I did note
that Adorama has it for 1196.

>>> "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 1:07 PM >>>

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Desjardins"
Subject: Amazon has a good price on the K20D


> $1,122.80  with free shipping.  At least it sounds good to me. 
Maybe
> I'm behind the times.

Thats about $175.00 more than I paid at my local store. That was a
Canadian price, not USA, and 
was body only.

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
I understand the need for archival storage and try to do some.
My main fear is the amount of data I manipulate now and will in the future.
With a large amounts of data, checking the conditions of the back-up
becomes an issue.
Some of us have encountered problems where the backup hasn't worked
for the last 15 months.
You only find that out when you try to go back and retrieve something.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Put your images into industry-standard formats (TIFF, JPEG, DNG) and
> archive the files. Upgrade the storage medium as the medium is
> improved by copying the files. Hard drives are the current standard
> storage medium.
>
> These formats will be around for many many years. You don't have to
> worry about software and drivers.
>
> Or, make five excellent prints of all your best work and delete all
> the original files. This means that everything you have is as good as
> a film image and print was.
>
> Godfrey
>
> On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:04 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> > You also need to keep the software and drivers too.  (I'd like to
> > think
> > I'm just paranoid...)
> >
> > AlunFoto wrote:
> >> At the agency where I work, we received roughly a TB of documentation
> >> last year. Loads of DVDs and CDs.
> >>
> >> We've had important documentation on DVDs corrupted in less than 2
> >> years, and there's far much more money involved with these documents
> >> than with any photo.
> >>
> >> So we regard discs as transport media only.
> >>
> >> Privately, I tend to think the same way. I use DVDs as a second-stage
> >> disaster recovery backup, and make sure to keep the DVD unit used to
> >> produce the backup together with the discs. I don't wish to run the
> >> risk of subtle incompatibilities between different devices. And yes,
> >> I've seen that happen at work. I have even seen differences among DVD
> >> players/recorders from the same mfg. and same production run (similar
> >> serial numbers).
> >>
> >> Backup is, at its basest, a continuous and iterative process.
>
> >>>
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Scott Loveless
John Graves wrote:
> Scott,
> 
> Sure.and the sine of the square root of 1 comes right up any time 
> you ask.  Huh?
> 
Hold on a sec.  I'll ask.

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Re: Amazon has a good price on the K20D

2008-04-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Desjardins"
Subject: Amazon has a good price on the K20D


> $1,122.80  with free shipping.  At least it sounds good to me.  Maybe
> I'm behind the times.

Thats about $175.00 more than I paid at my local store. That was a Canadian 
price, not USA, and 
was body only.

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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brewer" 
Subject: Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .


> if we could write we wouldn't have cameras...

Or blogs
WW

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread John Graves
Scott,

Sure.and the sine of the square root of 1 comes right up any time 
you ask.  Huh?


John Graves
WA1JG
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Scott Loveless wrote:
> Steve Desjardins wrote:
>   
>> Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as unhelpful
>> as the philosophers.
>> 
>
> I happen to like mathematicians quite a bit.  They're much more useful 
> than philosophers.  Granted, it helps than I'm married to one.  Now if 
> only I could teach her to add 2+2 in her head.
>
>   
>> Steve the philosophy major
>>
>> 
> "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:53 AM >>>
>   
>>> anywhere close to infinity
>>>   
>> is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
>> out there?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> 
>
>   

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Steve Desjardins wrote:
> I happen to like mathematicians quite a bit.  They're much more useful
> than philosophers.  Granted, it helps than I'm married to one.  Now if
> only I could teach her to add 2+2 in her head.

Mathematicians prove things. Addition is left as an exercise for the  
listener. ;-)

Godfrey
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
But the Zenit M39 lenses can be used (Leica thread with M42/K register)

-Adam

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:33 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok so the Leica S mount lenses could only be used a macro distances, but
>  the Canon f0.95 would let in a lot of light!
>
>
>
>  P. J. Alling wrote:
>  > Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby.  Any m42 lens and the
>  > earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina
>  > IIIS/Reflex  with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica
>  > S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies
>  > such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses,   not
>  > to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses.  Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc.
>  > These are just the adapters I know of.  The scope is daunting and the
>  > number of different lenses is astounding.
>  >
>  > Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote:
>  >
>  >> Hi everybody,
>  >>
>  >> as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-)
>  >>
>  >> I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with
>  >> all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital
>  >> ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page
>  >> (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because "kmp" has
>  >> a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses,
>  >> while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a
>  >> Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it
>  >> will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of
>  >> external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc
>  >> .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example
>  >> one can easily filter for "ultra wide lenses that offer automatic
>  >> aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall
>  >> quality rating  greater or equal 4") and a set of permissions with what
>  >> a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do
>  >> or not. i think you get a rough idea.
>  >>
>  >> Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to
>  >> maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn
>  >> means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and
>  >> I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested
>  >> in helping me.
>  >>
>  >> Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i
>  >> come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight,
>  >> size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem,
>  >> thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the
>  >> lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some
>  >> shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions
>  >> will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice,
>  >> with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar,
>  >> except the contributor does not want to be mentioned.
>  >>
>  >> Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only
>  >> some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as
>  >> soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-)
>  >>
>  >> with kind regards from Germany,
>  >> Andreas
>  >>
>  >> PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing,
>  >> actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3
>  >> Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except
>  >> of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>
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Amazon has a good price on the K20D

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Desjardins
$1,122.80  with free shipping.  At least it sounds good to me.  Maybe
I'm behind the times.


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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Not sure, I've not had time to read all the literature as yet.

The boss has been using his whip lately.
   ;-)

Godfrey

On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Thibouille wrote:
> Godfrey, I think I read that those having a key can invite others to
> join the beta test till august.
> It won't make LR2 any less beta than it is but it removes the 30  
> days problem.
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>> Lightroom 2 is a Public Beta at this point in time, probably
>> reasonably stable but likely to have some bugs. Evaluation period for
>> those without a key is 30 days, for those with a key it's due to
>> expire in August. It is not at present compatible with v1.3.1
>> catalogs, nor are its metadata instructions guaranteed to work
>> correctly with the current releases of Lightroom and Camera Raw.
>>
>> Better to work with v1.3.1 and subsequent versions as your image
>> processing mainstay until Lightroom 2 is finished and released. I'm
>> working with LR2 as a test/evaluation effort.
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>>
>> On Apr 2, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>>> Having just got a new PC, I was about to switch from Elements to
>>> Lightroom 1 which couldn't be run on the old PC. Wonder now  
>>> whether I
>>> should start right away with LR 2, or wait some time till fully
>>> released.


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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Scott Loveless
John Francis wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:27:39PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote:
>> Steve Desjardins wrote:
>>> Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as unhelpful
>>> as the philosophers.
>> I happen to like mathematicians quite a bit.  They're much more useful 
>> than philosophers.  Granted, it helps than I'm married to one.  Now if 
>> only I could teach her to add 2+2 in her head.
> 
> A mathematician doesn't care what the value of 2+2 is; it's sufficient
> to show that the answer is unique (and independent of the order in which
> you take the addends :-).  Relating this to things that happen in the
> real world is a physics problem.
> 
> 
Christie says "I like him."  She doesn't think very much of me at the 
moment, though.

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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Dario Bonazza
...and Marks writes on Cormorants.

Dario

- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
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Subject: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .


> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
>
> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a 
> fall/winter
> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment
> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax
> history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and
> regular departments.  And more . . .
>
> We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd 
> draw
> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so
> evident on this list.
>
> Just some article ideas to get us going
>
> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
> Cassino Snowflakes
> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does this,
> then do this
> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
> etc etc
>
> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)
>
> Seriously though, what do you think?
>
> Cheers, Christine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Put your images into industry-standard formats (TIFF, JPEG, DNG) and  
archive the files. Upgrade the storage medium as the medium is  
improved by copying the files. Hard drives are the current standard  
storage medium.

These formats will be around for many many years. You don't have to  
worry about software and drivers.

Or, make five excellent prints of all your best work and delete all  
the original files. This means that everything you have is as good as  
a film image and print was.

Godfrey

On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:04 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> You also need to keep the software and drivers too.  (I'd like to  
> think
> I'm just paranoid...)
>
> AlunFoto wrote:
>> At the agency where I work, we received roughly a TB of documentation
>> last year. Loads of DVDs and CDs.
>>
>> We've had important documentation on DVDs corrupted in less than 2
>> years, and there's far much more money involved with these documents
>> than with any photo.
>>
>> So we regard discs as transport media only.
>>
>> Privately, I tend to think the same way. I use DVDs as a second-stage
>> disaster recovery backup, and make sure to keep the DVD unit used to
>> produce the backup together with the discs. I don't wish to run the
>> risk of subtle incompatibilities between different devices. And yes,
>> I've seen that happen at work. I have even seen differences among DVD
>> players/recorders from the same mfg. and same production run (similar
>> serial numbers).
>>
>> Backup is, at its basest, a continuous and iterative process.
>>>

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:27:39PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote:
> Steve Desjardins wrote:
> > Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as unhelpful
> > as the philosophers.
> 
> I happen to like mathematicians quite a bit.  They're much more useful 
> than philosophers.  Granted, it helps than I'm married to one.  Now if 
> only I could teach her to add 2+2 in her head.

A mathematician doesn't care what the value of 2+2 is; it's sufficient
to show that the answer is unique (and independent of the order in which
you take the addends :-).  Relating this to things that happen in the
real world is a physics problem.


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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Brewer
if we could write we wouldn't have cameras...

Christine Aguila wrote:
> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
> 
> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a fall/winter 
> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment 
> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax 
> history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and 
> regular departments.  And more . . .
> 
> We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd draw 
> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so 
> evident on this list.
> 
> Just some article ideas to get us going
> 
> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
> Cassino Snowflakes
> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does this, 
> then do this
> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
> etc etc
> 
> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)
> 
> Seriously though, what do you think?
> 
> Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 04:53:07PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
> > anywhere close to infinity
> 
> is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
> out there?
> 
> Bob

Well, by definition, if any of the philosophers are out there then it
must be possible for something to be close to infinity (as long as a
philosopher is included in your definition of "anything")

Some of the philosophers that I've met are definitely far out.



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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Thibouille
Godfrey, I think I read that those having a key can invite others to
join the beta test till august.
It won't make LR2 any less beta than it is but it removes the 30 days problem.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lightroom 2 is a Public Beta at this point in time, probably
>  reasonably stable but likely to have some bugs. Evaluation period for
>  those without a key is 30 days, for those with a key it's due to
>  expire in August. It is not at present compatible with v1.3.1
>  catalogs, nor are its metadata instructions guaranteed to work
>  correctly with the current releases of Lightroom and Camera Raw.
>
>  Better to work with v1.3.1 and subsequent versions as your image
>  processing mainstay until Lightroom 2 is finished and released. I'm
>  working with LR2 as a test/evaluation effort.
>
>  Godfrey
>
>
>  On Apr 2, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>  > Having just got a new PC, I was about to switch from Elements to
>  > Lightroom 1 which couldn't be run on the old PC. Wonder now whether I
>  > should start right away with LR 2, or wait some time till fully
>  > released.
>  >>
>
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Scott Loveless
Steve Desjardins wrote:
> Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as unhelpful
> as the philosophers.

I happen to like mathematicians quite a bit.  They're much more useful 
than philosophers.  Granted, it helps than I'm married to one.  Now if 
only I could teach her to add 2+2 in her head.

> 
> Steve the philosophy major
> 
 "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:53 AM >>>
>> anywhere close to infinity
> 
> is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
> out there?
> 
> Bob
> 

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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Dario Bonazza
Oops, I meant "Mark", of course!
Dario

- Original Message - 
From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .


> ...and Marks writes on Cormorants.
>
> Dario
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:20 PM
> Subject: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .
>
>
>> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
>>
>> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a 
>> fall/winter
>> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment
>> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax
>> history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and
>> regular departments.  And more . . .
>>
>> We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd 
>> draw
>> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so
>> evident on this list.
>>
>> Just some article ideas to get us going
>>
>> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
>> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
>> Cassino Snowflakes
>> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does 
>> this,
>> then do this
>> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
>> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
>> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
>> etc etc
>>
>> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)
>>
>> Seriously though, what do you think?
>>
>> Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Desjardins
Actually, it doesn't, at least according to my browser. . . .

And your forgot Bill Robb's regular column, "The Grumpy Pentaxian".


>>> Andreas Pfotenhauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:52 AM >>>
pentaxmagazine.org seems to be available :-)
> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
>
> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a
fall/winter 
> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax
equipment 
> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events,
Pentax 
> history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship,
and 
> regular departments.  And more . . .
>
> We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee. 
We'd draw 
> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international
experience so 
> evident on this list.
>
> Just some article ideas to get us going
>
> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
> Cassino Snowflakes
> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does
this, 
> then do this
> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
> etc etc
>
> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German
;-)
>
> Seriously though, what do you think?
>
> Cheers, Christine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Desjardins
Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as unhelpful
as the philosophers.

Steve the philosophy major

>>> "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/3/2008 11:53 AM >>>
> anywhere close to infinity

is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
out there?

Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 03 April 2008 16:44
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
> 
> I would think it best to restrict something like this to 
> lenses that can be used without an adapter. It might be 
> worthwhile to include m42 Pentax lenses, but I would draw the 
> line there. BTW, although you can fit a Leica 39mm screwmount 
> lens to a Pentax with adapters, it won't focus anywhere close 
> to infinity. It will be macro only. Not exactly useful.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby.  Any m42 lens and the 
> > earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or 
> Kodak Retina 
> > IIIS/Reflex  with the proper adapter, I think there may 
> even be a Leica 
> > S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, 
> and copies 
> > such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF 
> lenses,   not 
> > to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses.  Then there's the TX T4 
> Adapall etc. 
> > These are just the adapters I know of.  The scope is 
> daunting and the 
> > number of different lenses is astounding.  
> > 
> > Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote:
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-)
> > >
> > > I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a 
> database with 
> > > all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for 
> the digital 
> > > ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent 
> k-mount web page 
> > > (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, 
> because "kmp" has 
> > > a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to 
> Pentax lenses, 
> > > while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are 
> usable on a 
> > > Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation 
> for users, it 
> > > will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will 
> be a list of 
> > > external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users 
> can add to, etc 
> > > .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data 
> (so for example 
> > > one can easily filter for "ultra wide lenses that offer
automatic 
> > > aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a
overall 
> > > quality rating  greater or equal 4") and a set of 
> permissions with what 
> > > a particular type of user(anonymous, registered 
> user,staff,admin) can do 
> > > or not. i think you get a rough idea.
> > >
> > > Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to

> > > maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven 
> which in turn 
> > > means, no html skills will be necessary to add and 
> maintain data, and 
> > > I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone 
> who's interested 
> > > in helping me.
> > >
> > > Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and 
> thats why i 
> > > come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a 
> lens (weight, 
> > > size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big 
> problem, 
> > > thanks to google, but what i would like to have are 
> descriptions of the 
> > > lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and 
> did some 
> > > shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of 
> course contributions 
> > > will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit 
> copyright notice, 
> > > with a link to the homepage of the contributor or 
> something similar, 
> > > except the contributor does not want to be mentioned.
> > >
> > > Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no 
> layout and only 
> > > some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing 
> features, but as 
> > > soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-)
> > >
> > > with kind regards from Germany,
> > > Andreas
> > >
> > > PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a 
> commercial thing, 
> > > actually i intend to place the whole thing under a 
> Creative Commons 3 
> > > Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible 
> name ^^), except 
> > > of course for picture contributors that wish to retain 
> their copyrights.
> > >
> > >   
> > 
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Andreas Pfotenhauer
Hi P.J.,

I didn't make myself clear enough it seems (sorry, english is not my 
native tongue, but i'll try my best). The point is not to have a 
*complete* list of lenses that in theory can be somehow attached to a 
pentax body, who would want that anyway? maybe such a list would be 
historical interesting for one or the other, but it's not my goal. I 
would like to have everything in there that has still practical 
relevance (with relevant i mean there are chances to pick one up at the 
bay, for instance), thats enough for me (and thats mainly k-mount 
lenses, and maybe some M42s). If someone feels the M35 or something even 
more exotic needs to be in there as well, he can of course enter them, 
no problem. Thats the beauty of a database solution ;-)

cheers
Andreas

P. J. Alling wrote:
> Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby.  Any m42 lens and the 
> earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina 
> IIIS/Reflex  with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica 
> S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies 
> such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses,   not 
> to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses.  Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. 
> These are just the adapters I know of.  The scope is daunting and the 
> number of different lenses is astounding.  
>
> Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote:
>   
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-)
>>
>> 
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RE: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread Bob W
> anywhere close to infinity

is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
out there?

Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 03 April 2008 16:44
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
> 
> I would think it best to restrict something like this to 
> lenses that can be used without an adapter. It might be 
> worthwhile to include m42 Pentax lenses, but I would draw the 
> line there. BTW, although you can fit a Leica 39mm screwmount 
> lens to a Pentax with adapters, it won't focus anywhere close 
> to infinity. It will be macro only. Not exactly useful.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby.  Any m42 lens and the 
> > earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or 
> Kodak Retina 
> > IIIS/Reflex  with the proper adapter, I think there may 
> even be a Leica 
> > S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, 
> and copies 
> > such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF 
> lenses,   not 
> > to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses.  Then there's the TX T4 
> Adapall etc. 
> > These are just the adapters I know of.  The scope is 
> daunting and the 
> > number of different lenses is astounding.  
> > 
> > Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote:
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-)
> > >
> > > I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a 
> database with 
> > > all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for 
> the digital 
> > > ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent 
> k-mount web page 
> > > (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, 
> because "kmp" has 
> > > a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to 
> Pentax lenses, 
> > > while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are 
> usable on a 
> > > Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation 
> for users, it 
> > > will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will 
> be a list of 
> > > external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users 
> can add to, etc 
> > > .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data 
> (so for example 
> > > one can easily filter for "ultra wide lenses that offer
automatic 
> > > aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a
overall 
> > > quality rating  greater or equal 4") and a set of 
> permissions with what 
> > > a particular type of user(anonymous, registered 
> user,staff,admin) can do 
> > > or not. i think you get a rough idea.
> > >
> > > Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to

> > > maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven 
> which in turn 
> > > means, no html skills will be necessary to add and 
> maintain data, and 
> > > I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone 
> who's interested 
> > > in helping me.
> > >
> > > Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and 
> thats why i 
> > > come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a 
> lens (weight, 
> > > size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big 
> problem, 
> > > thanks to google, but what i would like to have are 
> descriptions of the 
> > > lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and 
> did some 
> > > shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of 
> course contributions 
> > > will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit 
> copyright notice, 
> > > with a link to the homepage of the contributor or 
> something similar, 
> > > except the contributor does not want to be mentioned.
> > >
> > > Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no 
> layout and only 
> > > some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing 
> features, but as 
> > > soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-)
> > >
> > > with kind regards from Germany,
> > > Andreas
> > >
> > > PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a 
> commercial thing, 
> > > actually i intend to place the whole thing under a 
> Creative Commons 3 
> > > Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible 
> name ^^), except 
> > > of course for picture contributors that wish to retain 
> their copyrights.
> > >
> > >   
> > 
> > 
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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Andreas Pfotenhauer
pentaxmagazine.org seems to be available :-)
> and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
>
> We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a fall/winter 
> issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment 
> usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax 
> history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and 
> regular departments.  And more . . .
>
> We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd draw 
> from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so 
> evident on this list.
>
> Just some article ideas to get us going
>
> Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
> Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
> Cassino Snowflakes
> Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does this, 
> then do this
> Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
> Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
> Ralf writes about shooting industry.
> etc etc
>
> And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)
>
> Seriously though, what do you think?
>
> Cheers, Christine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread pnstenquist
I would think it best to restrict something like this to lenses that can be 
used without an adapter. It might be worthwhile to include m42 Pentax lenses, 
but I would draw the line there. BTW, although you can fit a Leica 39mm 
screwmount lens to a Pentax with adapters, it won't focus anywhere close to 
infinity. It will be macro only. Not exactly useful.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby.  Any m42 lens and the 
> earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina 
> IIIS/Reflex  with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica 
> S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies 
> such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses,   not 
> to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses.  Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. 
> These are just the adapters I know of.  The scope is daunting and the 
> number of different lenses is astounding.  
> 
> Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-)
> >
> > I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with 
> > all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital 
> > ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page 
> > (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because "kmp" has 
> > a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, 
> > while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a 
> > Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it 
> > will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of 
> > external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc 
> > .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example 
> > one can easily filter for "ultra wide lenses that offer automatic 
> > aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall 
> > quality rating  greater or equal 4") and a set of permissions with what 
> > a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do 
> > or not. i think you get a rough idea.
> >
> > Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to 
> > maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn 
> > means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and 
> > I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested 
> > in helping me.
> >
> > Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i 
> > come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, 
> > size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, 
> > thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the 
> > lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some 
> > shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions 
> > will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, 
> > with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, 
> > except the contributor does not want to be mentioned.
> >
> > Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only 
> > some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as 
> > soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-)
> >
> > with kind regards from Germany,
> > Andreas
> >
> > PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, 
> > actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 
> > Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except 
> > of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights.
> >
> >   
> 
> 
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RE: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob W
> >
> > >iterative
> >
> > Holy mackerel, I wish I could say that word.
> 
> Ach, that's easier than "aperture". :-)
> 
> Recently sorted out "ascertain", but I'm still struggling 
> with "superfluous".
> 
> The best surprise yet, though, was "Southwark". :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Jostein

I bet they taught you the tourist pronunciation, didn't they! Ha ha -
it gets them every time. I love it when tourists ask me how to find
their way to 'Suvverk' and 'Lester Square'. I never get tired of that
joke.

If you really want to impress the locals next time you're here, try
the proper Cockney pronunciations - 'sooth vark' and 'leek easter
square'. You'll be amazed at their friendly reaction - they might even
offer you a pint of their local pastie and a knees up!

The best way to pronounce 'superfluous' is 'too much'.

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby.  Any m42 lens and the 
earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina 
IIIS/Reflex  with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica 
S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies 
such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses,   not 
to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses.  Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. 
These are just the adapters I know of.  The scope is daunting and the 
number of different lenses is astounding.  

Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-)
>
> I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with 
> all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital 
> ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page 
> (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because "kmp" has 
> a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, 
> while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a 
> Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it 
> will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of 
> external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc 
> .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example 
> one can easily filter for "ultra wide lenses that offer automatic 
> aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall 
> quality rating  greater or equal 4") and a set of permissions with what 
> a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do 
> or not. i think you get a rough idea.
>
> Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to 
> maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn 
> means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and 
> I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested 
> in helping me.
>
> Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i 
> come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, 
> size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, 
> thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the 
> lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some 
> shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions 
> will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, 
> with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, 
> except the contributor does not want to be mentioned.
>
> Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only 
> some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as 
> soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-)
>
> with kind regards from Germany,
> Andreas
>
> PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, 
> actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 
> Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except 
> of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights.
>
>   


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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Ok so the Leica S mount lenses could only be used a macro distances, but 
the Canon f0.95 would let in a lot of light!

P. J. Alling wrote:
> Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby.  Any m42 lens and the 
> earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina 
> IIIS/Reflex  with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica 
> S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies 
> such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses,   not 
> to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses.  Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. 
> These are just the adapters I know of.  The scope is daunting and the 
> number of different lenses is astounding.  
>
> Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote:
>   
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-)
>>
>> I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with 
>> all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital 
>> ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page 
>> (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because "kmp" has 
>> a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, 
>> while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a 
>> Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it 
>> will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of 
>> external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc 
>> .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example 
>> one can easily filter for "ultra wide lenses that offer automatic 
>> aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall 
>> quality rating  greater or equal 4") and a set of permissions with what 
>> a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do 
>> or not. i think you get a rough idea.
>>
>> Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to 
>> maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn 
>> means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and 
>> I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested 
>> in helping me.
>>
>> Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i 
>> come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, 
>> size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, 
>> thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the 
>> lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some 
>> shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions 
>> will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, 
>> with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, 
>> except the contributor does not want to be mentioned.
>>
>> Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only 
>> some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as 
>> soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-)
>>
>> with kind regards from Germany,
>> Andreas
>>
>> PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, 
>> actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 
>> Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except 
>> of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights.
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>
>   


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All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-03 Thread Christine Aguila
and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.

We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue & a fall/winter 
issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment 
usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax 
history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and 
regular departments.  And more . . .

We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd draw 
from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so 
evident on this list.

Just some article ideas to get us going

Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
Cassino Snowflakes
Department:  Irks & Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does this, 
then do this
Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
Frank writes on grain, focus, & tilt
Ralf writes about shooting industry.
etc etc

And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)

Seriously though, what do you think?

Cheers, Christine










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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread mike wilson

> 
> From: AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/04/03 Thu PM 02:01:44 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta
> 
> 2008/4/3, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On 3/4/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> > >iterative
> >
> > Holy mackerel, I wish I could say that word.
> 
> Ach, that's easier than "aperture". :-)
> 
> Recently sorted out "ascertain", but I'm still struggling with "superfluous".
> 
> The best surprise yet, though, was "Southwark". :-)

Cholmondeley.  My favourite; Featherstonehaugh.  Although my new one might be 
Woolfhardisworthy.

http://cgi.peak.org/~jeremy/retort.cgi?British=Cholmondeley

For the German in you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0lWICH3rY
(Hope that comes out, viewing videos is blocked)


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Re: Calling all the Kiwi's

2008-04-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Walt,
That's a great gallery with spectacular views.
Franz Joseph and Queenstown remind me that I have updated shots from 2006.
That gas station in Franz Joseph is still there and the first thing you see.
I also showed my wife the picture of your's,
just to remember when WE were thin and not gray. ;-)
Regards, Bob S.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:57 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes they are spectacular.  Looking at them I can't help to think of how
> bored the locals must be with the scenery.
>
> David Savage wrote:
> > Walt, I enjoyed them all, but some of those shots are jaw dropingly 
> > stunning.
> >
> > Quite a good advertisement for NZ for sure.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/
> >>
> >>  I have added some pics of New Zealand's South Is that I shot back in
> >>  75-77 when I was down there for Deepfreeze. I know there are some
> >>  Kiwi's in this group and I would appreciate some insights to some of
> >>  the pics that I may have forgotten. For one I cannot remember the name
> >>  of the castle outside Christchurch that was a favorite tourist stop.
> >>  Appreciate any help that can be provided.
> >>
> >>  Walt
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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thunderbird problems (was - No Content yet again.)

2008-04-03 Thread Scott Loveless
Thunderbird has some known issues with timestamps and DST.  Try deleting 
the .msf files for all your profiles.  You'll need to shut down 
thunderbird to do this.  The application will build new files when you 
start it back up.  You might want to back up your profiles, just in case 
you accidentally delete the wrong files.

Paul Sorenson wrote:
> What I'm seeing is not a time zone differential.  It may range from 5 or 
> 6 minutes to as much as 30.  In any case, I suspect it may be an anomaly 
> in the way the PDML server bounces the messages out to subscribers and 
> obviously has nothing to do with your messages being lost in cyberspace.
> 
> ;>]
> 
> -p
> 
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>> Timestamps are appended at the local computer.  My machines clock is up 
>> to date.  If someone is in a time zone further west I would expect that 
>> they would have a earlier time stamp if they replied before their local 
>> time caught up.  I'm using Thunderbird which I believe just puts the 
>> local machines date/time into that timestamp without any offset for 
>> GMT.  I don't remember if that's the SMPT spec. for how timestamps work 
>> on pop clients, and I'm really too lazy to look it up, but I figure if 
>> Thunderbird does it that way it's probably the standard.  It doesn't 
>> surprise me though it can be annoying.  I've sent a number of e-mails in 
>> the last few weeks that simply got lost.  Not just to the list.  The 
>> list e-mails will sometimes come back almost instantaneously, (well 
>> within 7 minutes which is delay I've set in my client between server 
>> checks), sometimes delayed by hours to days.  I don't know if it's a 
>> problem with my provider, the list or somewhere else.
>>
>> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>>> Hmmm...don't have any ideas what's causing it, but often your posts 
>>> arrive from the list with a time/date stamp later than posts responding 
>>> to yours.
>>>
>>> -p
>>>


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