Philip Jones Griffiths
this may be old news to some of you, but I hadn't seen it reported until I received my RPS magazine a few days ago. Philip Jones Griffiths died on 19th March, of cancer. He was one of the leading photographers of the Vietnam war, and a former president of Magnum. His photos of Vietnam were highly influential in the look of the film Apocalypse Now! to the extent that Magnum tried to get Copolla to pay royalties for ripping them off. When I heard Griffiths tell the story he said Copolla replied with the classic Hollywood phrase 'Sue me!'. Magnum didn't have the resources though. I met him at a talk and a book signing just after the 2nd edition of Vietnam, Inc. was published. I have a rare and valuable first edition, which he was kind enough to sign for me. He said afterwards I've just doubled the value of that. He told me that even he no longer had a 1st edition. I was too slow on the uptake - afterwards I realised I should have given him mine. http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Biography_ VPageAID=2K7O3R13NZ_T http://tinyurl.com/4zltv9 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/arts/design/20griffiths.html Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 70-210 and Sigma 70-300Apocomparison([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Hi Joe That's an interesting test, I've noticed very slight PF with the Tamron in high contrast situations, nothing too bad and easy to correct in PS. The sharpness of my sample seems better than the one on test. There's very little vignetting and distortion with the Tamron and it goes full frame 36x24mm so I can use it with film if needed. The Tamron's a keeper for me right now as a travel lens, I just need something light and inexpensive for the wide end, I'm going to try the DA 18-55 MkII shortly. Regards, John On Tue, 06 May 2008 22:24:54 -0600, Joseph Tainter wrote it remains to be seen if the DA 55-300 is better than the Tamron optically. Here's a test comparing the two: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=27737853 Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: May PUG is up
On 6/5/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: PUG's up. http://pug.komkon.org/ New submit form for June should be up tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for your patience. Excellent gallery as usual. Rick Womer's fans in Munich are English football fans, the distinctive red markings the cross of St George. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Codecs for DNG Thumbnails
Thank you all. God isn't a concept I'm used to but I'm pretty much honored about your comments :) :) Keep in mind though that this only enables Jpeg preview. In no way does it means any program can read the actual DNG, if the WB is off, your thumbnail WB is as well. If there's no embedded Jpeg for any reason, bad luck. No metadata support either. Still, it is defenitely usefull :) NB: I did not find (yet) a solution for Vista. There's a codec available but it will cost you like US$ 30. Not too much but not free. This one however will provide full functionality including metadata editing. Link: http://www.ardfry.com/dng-codec/ -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Converting Jpeg to DNG? Not (that) useless in fact
Article here: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/03/converting_jpeg.html -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 70-210 and Sigma 70-300Apocomparison([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Thank you Joe, this is the test I posted about earlier and couldn't find it back. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it remains to be seen if the DA 55-300 is better than the Tamron optically. Here's a test comparing the two: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=27737853 Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
It surprises me but I suppose the pics posted at DPR are always the worst ones. Actually I'm somewhat interested in that tammy so I will keep an eye on it. Thank you for your report John. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: twitter?
I know a few twits. does that count??? James On Tue, 06 May 2008 18:01:31 -0400, Cory Waters wrote: Anybody using Twitter? CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter
I have and use this combo. Works fine. But your friend will probbly need to step down to f:11 or something in that area to get good results. The K20D suggests f:10 using the MTF programline. MaritimTim 2008/5/5 Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mark Roberts wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: Yes Mark, you're right. However, the question was more general: is there any no, don't do that, because... about that combo? Can't imagine anything. I'll give it a try when I get home! Thanks! I've been asked that question by a guy who owns that AF1.7x converter and wants to buy the DA* 300 for using them together if/when needed. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
Hi Thibouille You're welcome, if you need any sample images (jpg straight from camera) just let me know, I've already sent some to Toine comparing F 70-210, FA 80- 320 and the Tammy. Best regards, John On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:14:11 +0200, Thibouille wrote It surprises me but I suppose the pics posted at DPR are always the worst ones. Actually I'm somewhat interested in that tammy so I will keep an eye on it. Thank you for your report John. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter
Mmm not sure MTF works. It should not work IMO since there's no communication between lens and body except A-type informations. Your MTF program line probably fall back to standard program in this case. A lenses do not provie any MTF informations. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: contacts. was AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter
Very well put. But please explain why every AF sigma lens I have doesn't show the correct apature range on my super A. despite haveing some A contacts. Also why does the MZ60 have only 2 contacts missing when it was never designed to use A lenses at all. Why does the sigma lens when I pulled it apart have all contacts except for the * go via a flexiable circuit trace to a board in the lens when all that is required of A contacts is to be shorted or open? If what you say is true, then the MZ60 should only have the digital pin which it doesn't. It is very easy electronicly to make any contact on a F or newer lens to to have duel function As I said. only pentax knows what is really going on. every one else including me is only guessing even Boz. When I alerted Boz to the very limited MZ60, even he asked what do the other contacts do. so far, noone can answer. James On Tue, 06 May 2008 08:04:00 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote: It's not conjecture that lenses without the pin are identified by Pentax DSLRs as A lenses ,and if the pin is blocked the camera shows the same behavior. The other connections are simply conductive on non conductive spots on the lens mount.on A lenses Even if digital pin simply powers the chip the effect is the same, without power the lens becomes dumb. However there's no particular reason to make any of the previously existing pins part of the digital communication path and every reason to not do that if you care about backward compatibility as it might break the A lens protocol. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
Yes I am interested in a couple pics, lets say at 70, 135, 200 and 300 (or about of course) to have an idea of sharpness. How is SR effective with it (if your camera provides SR)? Do you own a 50-200 for comparison purpose (I suspect not) ? -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter
The odd thing is that it pickes f:7,1 with 50-135 x 1,7. So it seem the camera does know how fast the mounted lens is. Another odditiy. Manually changing programline to Normal, gives different values. In MTF it is locked, but in Normal it bumps up and down with the light. So I don't know what to think. Never the less, f:10 seem to be a good compromise in most situations with the DA* 300. My main intention was to indicate how usefull the combination is. Not suited for low light. MaritimTim 2008/5/7 Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mmm not sure MTF works. It should not work IMO since there's no communication between lens and body except A-type informations. Your MTF program line probably fall back to standard program in this case. A lenses do not provie any MTF informations. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
Hi Thibouille I'll forward the ones I sent to Toine (I'm at work at present) mainly 200/210mm 300/320mm. I had the DA 50-200 and initialy was quite impressed until I noticed how soft it was at the edge of the frame at both ends of the range, so I sold it. Regards, John On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:55:04 +0200, Thibouille wrote Yes I am interested in a couple pics, lets say at 70, 135, 200 and 300 (or about of course) to have an idea of sharpness. How is SR effective with it (if your camera provides SR)? Do you own a 50-200 for comparison purpose (I suspect not) ? -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- - The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. --- - John Whittingham Technician The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
Thank you John ! -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Nature's Lady
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I like where your head is at Christine. All I see are boobs too. Cheers, Dave :-D Yes, do you see the belly button on her tummy too? Cheers, Christine Give him some time.:-0 Nice eye again Christine. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
The Sigma's a good lens for the money, I've had no problems with flare, the front element is not that large in comparison to some. I couldn't put it down when I first got it. I'm sure the Pentax is also a very fine lens. Sample image from last summer: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6372564 Large version: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6372564size=lg Regards, John On Tue, 06 May 2008 23:45:02 +0200, Timber wrote Hi list! I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye) As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as the Sigma 10-20 but as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I am wondering if the Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma one or should I go for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA advantage to the Pentax? Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down... but I would like to have a lens which is good at wide open too. So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than the Sigma as the price shows or not? :D Thanks, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- - The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. --- - John Whittingham Technician The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
I have the Sigma in Nikon mount. Not much use, but i like what it has given me so far. Dave On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Timber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list! I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye) As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as the Sigma 10-20 but as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I am wondering if the Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma one or should I go for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA advantage to the Pentax? Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down... but I would like to have a lens which is good at wide open too. So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than the Sigma as the price shows or not? :D Thanks, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Fist Cardinal
Well, that makes two then.LOL This split shift of the bus is not bad. I get back around 9;30 am and have a cup of tea out back and set up the camera. They are all fairly reliable as far as times.:-) Now i just need to get closer or a longer lens. Dave On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave: I got the baseball joke! And nice shot. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net; Barbara Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Peso Fist Cardinal http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7235537 Sitting out back yesterday, after the bus run, with the SO and feeding the wild life. Happened to look up and see the cardinals at the farthest feeder we have. Went back in the house, grabed the K10d and the sigma 100-300, and got a few shots like this one. I went in and put the K400 F5.6 on, but the Cardinals did not come back. However the Jays did in the 9th. :-0 Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
Ahhh... but there is fisheye then there is fisheye: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1156628029_59615df340_o.jpg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1198/1452643623_1619e0b9e3_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2391/2105976158_f5943358b8_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2358/2061669625_6e19da5ea3_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2070/1873614000_eb7bcffdb4_o.jpg BTW thats my head bottom centre :-) http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2157/1872754167_06090cd9e2_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2276313657_0a803c3e68_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2361/2264457467_3715e407a7_o.jpg I love DA 10-17mm FE in crowds at parties, framing viewfinder use is optional :-) While a rectilinear lens will be less challenging to use, the FE is just so much fun opens up some real creative possibilities. Getting back on topic, I'd go for the DA 12-24mm. But I have a real loathing for Sigma products. Just my 0.02c Dave On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Pentax lens is excellent. It has been a money maker and a pleasure for me. I have no experience with that particular Sigma lens, but my experience with the Sigma brand in general would give me pause. And I wouldn't buy a fisheye unless you want to shoot fisheye pics. Yes, you can correct in post, but you'll sacrifice image quality. Every time you move a pixel you lose something. Paul On May 6, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Timber wrote: Hi list! I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye) As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as the Sigma 10-20 but as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I am wondering if the Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma one or should I go for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA advantage to the Pentax? Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down... but I would like to have a lens which is good at wide open too. So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than the Sigma as the price shows or not? :D Thanks, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: May PUG is up
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/5/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: PUG's up. http://pug.komkon.org/ New submit form for June should be up tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for your patience. Excellent gallery as usual. Rick Womer's fans in Munich are English football fans, the distinctive red markings the cross of St George. I thought they were targets for opposition fans beer cans. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Speed
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like it. Thanks And no backfocus problems at all with this lens sample! All that nonsense is moot when motion blur is so prominent :-) Thanks for looking. Cheers, Dave On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2034/2470123863_bb14afec4e_o.jpg K20D, DA* 16-50mm f2.8 @ 50mm, 1/4 @ f9.0, ISO 100. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Speed
About 70km/h :-) Thanks for looking. Cheers, Dave On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:03 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks fast. David Savage wrote: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2034/2470123863_bb14afec4e_o.jpg K20D, DA* 16-50mm f2.8 @ 50mm, 1/4 @ f9.0, ISO 100. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Speed
Har! About 2 3/4 going by the number of rings :-) However it is a Holden (GM) HSV Commodore. Cheers, Dave On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's an Audi..I think. ;) Jack --- On Tue, 5/6/08, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2034/2470123863_bb14afec4e_o.jpg K20D, DA* 16-50mm f2.8 @ 50mm, 1/4 @ f9.0, ISO 100. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Michigan's State Flower
Thanks Christine. Perhaps it was worth getting down on the ground:-). Paul On May 6, 2008, at 11:56 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Paul: That's one hellava shot! Just beautiful. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: PESO: Michigan's State Flower It's both our state flower and an endangered species in these parts. The latter protection was put in place to discourage commercial operations that were digging up plants in the wilderness. I have about thirty plants on my property, and I photograph one or more every year. Today's effort was made with the K20D and the Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5 macro: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7234027size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: my Tasmanian Jaws in Schmap
Thanks all for comments. Whatever about Schmap, my photograph career has started... :) Henk Christine Aguila schreef: Henk: Great shot there and big congrats! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:02 AM Subject: my Tasmanian Jaws in Schmap I received an invitation to submit my picture of a Tasmanian devil to the new issue of the Australian guide of the tourist guide Schmap and it has now appeared there: http://www.schmap.com/australia/parks/p=192241/i=192241_2.jpg or *http://tinyurl.com/3lzlls* Schmap had found this on my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mxer/2161907039/in/set-72157603998410494/ or *http://tinyurl.com/532weo Taken with the *istD and DA 50-200 Henk * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: Split tone
I've liked the recent round of flower shots, especially Christine's sepias. So... http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_05/08_05_split/index.htm D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Split tone
Love the first one. Great tones. The second from last is...err...well...kinda interesting. :-o Cheers, Dave 2008/5/7 Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've liked the recent round of flower shots, especially Christine's sepias. So... http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_05/08_05_split/index.htm D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Just one lens - enablement
Hi guys, A little while back I asked the question about 1 lens to take to the south island on NZ when my wife and I visit in September. The resounding recommendation was for something wide, and ideally the 16-45. I was considering this, but stumbled on a deal I just couldn't let go by. I picked up a new DA 18-55 AL II (the latest one) for $150AU to my door. I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, and I know it's not as good as the 16-45, but for this price it'll do me fine. Ciao, Peter in western Sydney -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: May PUG is up
Cotty wrote: On 6/5/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: PUG's up. http://pug.komkon.org/ New submit form for June should be up tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for your patience. Excellent gallery as usual. Rick Womer's fans in Munich are English football fans, the distinctive red markings the cross of St George. Are you sure? Let's ask Rick. Hey, Rick. Did they start a fight while you were there? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Codecs for DNG Thumbnails
William Robb wrote: I don't suppose anyone knows where a person could get their hands on a codec to allow K20 DNG files to be viewed as thumbnails rather than icons in Windows Explorer (XP Pro 32 bit). Note, I don't want this badly enough to actually pay for it. Thanks William Robb Hi Bill, Have you tried these? http://www.microsoft.com/prophoto/downloads/codecs.aspx D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Tulip
Haven't been on the list for the past coupla days - busy with work and stuff. I'm not much of a flower guy, but the light was hitting this tulip quite nicely: http://tinyurl.com/6otcx9 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SB77PxD9QbI/B8k/xQvDT_CxxGs/s1600-h/may_05_08+007.jpg Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: May PUG is up
Scott Loveless wrote: PUG's up. http://pug.komkon.org/ New submit form for June should be up tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for your patience. Thanks Scott. Not the easiest of themes, but that makes it interesting. Standout for me is the beautiful Flanders shot by Filip D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Christy Schuler retouching techniques
I know this is not going to be everyone's taste. But she does stress backing off on the retouch a lot. If nothing else, she's not too unpleasant to listen to (she could use a windshield for her mic, though) http://www.christyschuler.com/retouching.swf D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Split tone
a-hem David Savage wrote: Love the first one. Great tones. The second from last is...err...well...kinda interesting. :-o Cheers, Dave 2008/5/7 Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've liked the recent round of flower shots, especially Christine's sepias. So... http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_05/08_05_split/index.htm D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
Timber wrote: I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye) Hmm, I'm pondering the same choice myself. I don't have any experience with either lens. I've had nothing but excellent experiences with the Sigma EX lenses: My EX300/2.8 is wonderful and the EX180/3.5 Macro is #@^ing amazing. I expect the Pentax is a little better; the question is whether it's *enough* better to justify the big price difference... What I really want is a 10mm or 12mm prime, but no one makes one. Yet. I do own the 10-17 Fisheye and it's a really fun lens but the only reason to buy a fisheye is if you actually want to use the fisheye effect, so it's in a different class from the other two, IMO. Also, it's not as sharp as a Sigma EX or my Pentax rectilinear zooms. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Tulip
Nice light and rendering, but I think I'd rather see it in color. Paul On May 7, 2008, at 8:55 AM, frank theriault wrote: Haven't been on the list for the past coupla days - busy with work and stuff. I'm not much of a flower guy, but the light was hitting this tulip quite nicely: http://tinyurl.com/6otcx9 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SB77PxD9QbI/B8k/ xQvDT_CxxGs/s1600-h/may_05_08+007.jpg Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: contacts. was AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter
James wrote: Why does the sigma lens when I pulled it apart have all contacts except for the * go via a flexiable circuit trace to a board in the lens when all that is required of A contacts is to be shorted or open? Of all your questions, that's the easiest to answer: They do it this way so they can use the same lens mount configuration in all their Pentax-mount lenses and make the shorted/open differences on the main circuit board where all the other Pentax-specific stuff is. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: McJunkyard
Given that the world economy is on a downturn, is this the time for McDonalds to be diversifying?. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/87764/McJunkyard.html Cheers Brian (PS: In case anyone is wondering, the sign reads Reward: Lost dog, black and white, one eye, 1/2 an ear, 3 legs, 1 nut, no tail. Quiet and friendly. Answers to the name 'Lucky') ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
Hi Mark Did you at sometime own the Tamron 17-35 f/2.8-4? Regards, John On Wed, 07 May 2008 09:07:19 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote Timber wrote: I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye) Hmm, I'm pondering the same choice myself. I don't have any experience with either lens. I've had nothing but excellent experiences with the Sigma EX lenses: My EX300/2.8 is wonderful and the EX180/3.5 Macro is #@^ing amazing. I expect the Pentax is a little better; the question is whether it's *enough* better to justify the big price difference... What I really want is a 10mm or 12mm prime, but no one makes one. Yet. I do own the 10-17 Fisheye and it's a really fun lens but the only reason to buy a fisheye is if you actually want to use the fisheye effect, so it's in a different class from the other two, IMO. Also, it's not as sharp as a Sigma EX or my Pentax rectilinear zooms. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- - The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. --- - John Whittingham Technician The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Tulip
Nice composition. I feel it has a bit too much light 'bloom', rendering it less than complete..if you will. Background is borderline busy. Jack --- On Wed, 5/7/08, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - Tulip To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 5:55 AM Haven't been on the list for the past coupla days - busy with work and stuff. I'm not much of a flower guy, but the light was hitting this tulip quite nicely: http://tinyurl.com/6otcx9 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SB77PxD9QbI/B8k/xQvDT_CxxGs/s1600-h/may_05_08+007.jpg Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: May PUG is up
Derby Chang wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: PUG's up. http://pug.komkon.org/ New submit form for June should be up tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for your patience. Thanks Scott. Not the easiest of themes, but that makes it interesting. Standout for me is the beautiful Flanders shot by Filip D I agree. Filip's Runner and Roy's Barbados shot really duplicate that National Geographic style. Steady's Red is probably my overall favorite and I also very much like the muted tones in Mike Hamilton's photo. Good stuff all around. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: McJunkyard
LOL that's funny. Love the dichotomy between one of the most recognised signs of commercialism one of the after effects of it. It also sounds like a really neat place to have a lookie loo. Cheers, Dave. 2008/5/7 Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Given that the world economy is on a downturn, is this the time for McDonalds to be diversifying?. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/87764/McJunkyard.html Cheers Brian (PS: In case anyone is wondering, the sign reads Reward: Lost dog, black and white, one eye, 1/2 an ear, 3 legs, 1 nut, no tail. Quiet and friendly. Answers to the name 'Lucky') -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Tulip
On May 7, 2008, at 5:55 AM, frank theriault wrote: Haven't been on the list for the past coupla days - busy with work and stuff. I'm not much of a flower guy, but the light was hitting this tulip quite nicely: http://tinyurl.com/6otcx9 A bit too hot on the flower itself, if you push it down to where there's more texture there I suspect some of the background business will also be subdued. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
John Whittingham wrote: Hi Mark Did you at sometime own the Tamron 17-35 f/2.8-4? Yes I did. I sold it when I bought the Pentax 16-50/2.8 but I always found the Tamron to be a wonderful lens. Highly recommended. They stopped making it in Pentax mount, at least for a while. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Codecs for DNG Thumbnails
- Original Message - From: Derby Chang Subject: Re: Codecs for DNG Thumbnails Have you tried these? http://www.microsoft.com/prophoto/downloads/codecs.aspx I poked around there, I should probably download the PEF codec, but I shoot everything in DNG anyway. I'll keep checking back, and when they have support for the K20 I'll probably install it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Split tone
- Original Message - From: Derby Chang Subject: GESO: Split tone I've liked the recent round of flower shots, especially Christine's sepias. So... http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_05/08_05_split/index.htm Lovely work Derby. 04 is strangely erotic. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Split tone
What Bill said. Very nice. On May 7, 2008, at 9:35 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Derby Chang Subject: GESO: Split tone I've liked the recent round of flower shots, especially Christine's sepias. So... http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_05/08_05_split/index.htm Lovely work Derby. 04 is strangely erotic. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
Thanks Mark Good to know you have a positive impression, I've been offered one at reasonable cost and I'm trying to make a decision. It would make a good wide to normal zoom FL wise. Regards, John On Wed, 07 May 2008 09:36:56 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote John Whittingham wrote: Hi Mark Did you at sometime own the Tamron 17-35 f/2.8-4? Yes I did. I sold it when I bought the Pentax 16-50/2.8 but I always found the Tamron to be a wonderful lens. Highly recommended. They stopped making it in Pentax mount, at least for a while. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lovebug
http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2008s=0category=macroblog=20080507163440 ^^^ from the love life of insects... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: twitter?
Hm, not really, no. James wrote: I know a few twits. does that count??? James On Tue, 06 May 2008 18:01:31 -0400, Cory Waters wrote: Anybody using Twitter? CW -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photobook company
Well, I'll know soon enough what Blurb.com books are like: Yesterday I downloaded their software, threw together a book with photos from a project I've had on the back burner for a while and uploaded and ordered a copy. They say it should ship May 15th so I should have it in less than two weeks. I'll report back on the quality. Here's my Blurb bookstore so far: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/237528 I think you can order it on line now, though I'd wait until hearing a report from the author as to whether it's worth buying and I won't know for a couple of weeks :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 07 May 2008 09:36:56 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote John Whittingham wrote: Did you at sometime own the Tamron 17-35 f/2.8-4? Yes I did. I sold it when I bought the Pentax 16-50/2.8 but I always found the Tamron to be a wonderful lens. Highly recommended. They stopped making it in Pentax mount, at least for a while. Good to know you have a positive impression, I've been offered one at reasonable cost and I'm trying to make a decision. It would make a good wide to normal zoom FL wise. I always loved its image quality. The main reason I went to the Pentax 16-50 was for the weather sealing, which can be important for the kind of photography I like most. (How some of my cameras and lenses have survived downpours on Grandfather Mountain and elsewhere I'll never know!) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter
The proof should be in the results you get. I regularly shoot wide open with the A*300 f4 and the AF 1.7x on an *ist=D[s] and there is minimal visual degradation of the image. Admittedly the K20 has 50% higher liner resolution, but that shouldn't make that big a difference. I would expect that the DA* 300 AF 1.7x would do at least as well, Thibouille wrote: Mmm not sure MTF works. It should not work IMO since there's no communication between lens and body except A-type informations. Your MTF program line probably fall back to standard program in this case. A lenses do not provie any MTF informations. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
June PUG is 11th Anniversary Gallery!
Hi, gang. June's theme is 11th Anniversary Gallery! Submit photos here: http://pdmlpug.org/?p=33 -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: McJunkyard
On May 7, 2008, at 8:20, Brian Walters wrote: Given that the world economy is on a downturn, is this the time for McDonalds to be diversifying?. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/87764/McJunkyard.html That's fun. Nice super-saturated colors there! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
2008/5/7 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I always loved its image quality. The main reason I went to the Pentax 16-50 was for the weather sealing, which can be important for the kind of photography I like most. (How some of my cameras and lenses have survived downpours on Grandfather Mountain and elsewhere I'll never know!) To me it suggests that the whole weather sealing thing may be a bit of a sales gimmick. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
David Savage wrote: 2008/5/7 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I always loved its image quality. The main reason I went to the Pentax 16-50 was for the weather sealing, which can be important for the kind of photography I like most. (How some of my cameras and lenses have survived downpours on Grandfather Mountain and elsewhere I'll never know!) To me it suggests that the whole weather sealing thing may be a bit of a sales gimmick. I dare you to test that hypothesis on your own gear! I know I wouldn't submit non-sealed equipment to what I've put my K10D and 16-50/2.8 through! (With the ist-D and non-sealed lenses I at least tried to protect my gear in the rain, with the K10D and 16-50 I just let it all hang out.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: May PUG is up
No fights, and they were speaking German. Hmmm... --- Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: On 6/5/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: PUG's up. http://pug.komkon.org/ New submit form for June should be up tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for your patience. Excellent gallery as usual. Rick Womer's fans in Munich are English football fans, the distinctive red markings the cross of St George. Are you sure? Let's ask Rick. Hey, Rick. Did they start a fight while you were there? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
Daveyou got a flame proof suit by any chance? 8) John On Wed, 7 May 2008 22:37:49 +0800, David Savage wrote 2008/5/7 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I always loved its image quality. The main reason I went to the Pentax 16-50 was for the weather sealing, which can be important for the kind of photography I like most. (How some of my cameras and lenses have survived downpours on Grandfather Mountain and elsewhere I'll never know!) To me it suggests that the whole weather sealing thing may be a bit of a sales gimmick. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Weather Sealing (was Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24)
To me it suggests that the whole weather sealing thing may be a bit of a sales gimmick. Cheers, Dave On lens? I think yes. On body? Sure not :D I've used K10D/K20D in rain, snow, dust etc. Once I was with a group of photographers in a big snowfall. Line up was: 5 Canon EOS 350D/400D, 1 Nikon D50, 1 Pentax K10D. 2 of the 5 Canons ended up 'acting strangely', 2 guys had a home made camera-umbrella for their Canons which was mounting in the flash shoe :D, the Nikon guy prefered to keep his cam in bag, I was shooting with old manual lenses on... and no problems at all :D I really love Pentax' weather sealing. Even with lens from 70's it keeps my camera safe in almost all kind of weather. Cheers, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
I dare you to test that hypothesis on your own gear! I know I wouldn't submit non-sealed equipment to what I've put my K10D and 16-50/2.8 through! (With the ist-D and non-sealed lenses I at least tried to protect my gear in the rain, with the K10D and 16-50 I just let it all hang out.) Use russian lenses :D I keep my K20D with Helios M44-6 off from rain for only one reason: the My little pony sticker on the K20D could get too wet and might get off the cam (again)! :P But other than that... the K20D+Old MF lenses survived heavy raining many times. Cheers, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter
I just tried the 1.7x AF adapter with my K10D and 16-50/2.8 and found it works just as you'd expect from a non-SDM lens. Doesn't know the lens' focal length but focuses very quickly. Gets the working aperture correct. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: McJunkyard
You guys are bating me... Bob S. On 5/7/08, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL that's funny. Love the dichotomy between one of the most recognised signs of commercialism one of the after effects of it. It also sounds like a really neat place to have a lookie loo. Cheers, Dave. 2008/5/7 Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Given that the world economy is on a downturn, is this the time for McDonalds to be diversifying?. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/87764/McJunkyard.html Cheers Brian (PS: In case anyone is wondering, the sign reads Reward: Lost dog, black and white, one eye, 1/2 an ear, 3 legs, 1 nut, no tail. Quiet and friendly. Answers to the name 'Lucky') -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter
Thank-you Mark, and thanks to all those answering my questions about the AF1,7x converter. Dario - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: Re: AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter I just tried the 1.7x AF adapter with my K10D and 16-50/2.8 and found it works just as you'd expect from a non-SDM lens. Doesn't know the lens' focal length but focuses very quickly. Gets the working aperture correct. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
David Savage wrote: 2008/5/7 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Savage wrote: 2008/5/7 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I always loved its image quality. The main reason I went to the Pentax 16-50 was for the weather sealing, which can be important for the kind of photography I like most. (How some of my cameras and lenses have survived downpours on Grandfather Mountain and elsewhere I'll never know!) To me it suggests that the whole weather sealing thing may be a bit of a sales gimmick. I dare you to test that hypothesis on your own gear! Given you're previous comment it sounds like you have yourself. Oh, I haven't given the non-sealed gear anything *near* the workout I've given the sealed stuff! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: McJunkyard
Now would we do that to you Bob??? ROTFL. Cheers, Dave 2008/5/7 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You guys are bating me... Bob S. On 5/7/08, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL that's funny. Love the dichotomy between one of the most recognised signs of commercialism one of the after effects of it. It also sounds like a really neat place to have a lookie loo. Cheers, Dave. 2008/5/7 Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Given that the world economy is on a downturn, is this the time for McDonalds to be diversifying?. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/87764/McJunkyard.html Cheers Brian (PS: In case anyone is wondering, the sign reads Reward: Lost dog, black and white, one eye, 1/2 an ear, 3 legs, 1 nut, no tail. Quiet and friendly. Answers to the name 'Lucky') -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: McJunkyard
Beautifully seen and rendered, Brian. Vivid colors work for me..in this case! (would even like to see a little more on the left) Jack --- On Wed, 5/7/08, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: McJunkyard To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 7:37 AM On May 7, 2008, at 8:20, Brian Walters wrote: Given that the world economy is on a downturn, is this the time for McDonalds to be diversifying?. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/87764/McJunkyard.html That's fun. Nice super-saturated colors there! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
on a K10D or K20D, could you please advise on the following: 1. Does SR work effectively? 2. Is the lens type displayed correctly in the EXIF i.e. Sigma 50-500 EX? 3. Aprroximate aperture when zoomed at 300mm f/4, f/4.5, f/5.6? 4. Does the lens extend when zoomed? 5. Does the front element rotate when focusing? Any comments on performance/sample images much appreciated. I think summer arrived in the UK yesterday 8) John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
John, check over at dpreview. There are several satisfied users there. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: McJunkyard
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: PESO: McJunkyard Now would we do that to you Bob??? ROTFL. Years ago, I doctored a picture I had submitted to the PUG to put a set of Golden Arches into the middle of the Utah Desert. I thought it was very tastefully done, but I got a very stern email from Bob warning me that this could be a most serious transgression, and that I wanted to rethink my strategy regarding whom I mocked. It was years later, when I met him at GFM that I finally found out that my chain had been yanked very hard. I'm still trying to think of a suitable retribution. Perhaps I'll send him a gift certificate to Wendy's. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
2008/5/7 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Savage wrote: 2008/5/7 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I always loved its image quality. The main reason I went to the Pentax 16-50 was for the weather sealing, which can be important for the kind of photography I like most. (How some of my cameras and lenses have survived downpours on Grandfather Mountain and elsewhere I'll never know!) To me it suggests that the whole weather sealing thing may be a bit of a sales gimmick. I dare you to test that hypothesis on your own gear! Given you're previous comment it sounds like you have yourself. I've used the FA 50mm f1.4, DA 16-45mm in constant moderate rain on the *istD with no ill effects. While I don't doubt that weather sealing has benefits, given that the sealing isn't rated to any specific international standard I suspect that some people are going to put too much faith in the sealing use their kit in really bad conditions only to have it fail. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
On an unrelated note, John you really should think about deleting the Carmel College legalese on your PDML messages. That stuff is archived I don't know how your employers feel about private correspondence on company email, but my boss would pitch a fit if I did that he found out. :-D Cheers, Dave 2008/5/7 John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: on a K10D or K20D, could you please advise on the following: 1. Does SR work effectively? 2. Is the lens type displayed correctly in the EXIF i.e. Sigma 50-500 EX? 3. Aprroximate aperture when zoomed at 300mm f/4, f/4.5, f/5.6? 4. Does the lens extend when zoomed? 5. Does the front element rotate when focusing? Any comments on performance/sample images much appreciated. I think summer arrived in the UK yesterday 8) John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Bleeding Heart
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Re: contacts. was AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter
James wrote: Very well put. But please explain why every AF sigma lens I have doesn't show the correct apature range on my super A. despite haveing some A contacts. It's Sigma. Also why does the MZ60 have only 2 contacts missing when it was never designed to use A lenses at all. It's just possible that some A information is necessary for the Digital protocol to work and the MZ60 reads what it needs to. Ya think? Why does the sigma lens when I pulled it apart have all contacts except for the * go via a flexiable circuit trace to a board in the lens when all that is required of A contacts is to be shorted or open? Sigma probably thought it could control which contact was open or shorted dynamically and fool the camera electronics. Which being Sigma they failed miserably at. (Here I'm guessing the first part but I'm sure about the second). If what you say is true, then the MZ60 should only have the digital pin which it doesn't. No, because the digital protocol builds on the A protocol, it needs the information conveyed by the r pins, why that choice was made I don't know, but I'm not guessing, I'm thinking. It is very easy electronicly to make any contact on a F or newer lens to to have duel function As I said. only pentax knows what is really going on. every one else including me is only guessing even Boz. Sorry, it's just bad design. If Pentax was going to double up on a pin's functionality it wouldn't have instituted a separate digital contact. There were plenty of A pins already. Pentax made good design decisions up till now, I don't expect them to stop. When I alerted Boz to the very limited MZ60, even he asked what do the other contacts do Maybe Boz was simply telling you to go pound sand. so far, noone can answer. Since the MZ60 is only interested in the maximum aperture, (check the chart on the Ka page on Boz's site I'll leave it to you to figure out what the r pins and the m pins convey, the pattern isn't hard to figure out), I can assume that the digital protocol tells the camera all it needs to know about the minimum aperture and the m are superfluous, I say that because it works perfectly well without them. . James On Tue, 06 May 2008 08:04:00 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote: So here's the conclusion. 1.) It's cheaper to implement things in software than in hard ware. 2.) Some things necessary for the software to work have to be implemented in hardware. The things necessary were implemented, the rest were deleted to save money, (gee where have we seen that before). It's not conjecture that lenses without the pin are identified by Pentax DSLRs as A lenses ,and if the pin is blocked the camera shows the same behavior. The other connections are simply conductive on non conductive spots on the lens mount.on A lenses Even if digital pin simply powers the chip the effect is the same, without power the lens becomes dumb. However there's no particular reason to make any of the previously existing pins part of the digital communication path and every reason to not do that if you care about backward compatibility as it might break the A lens protocol. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500.. On an unrelated note, John you really should think about deleting the Carmel College legalese on your PDML messages. Curiousity question: How binding are these legalese things on the recipient if the recipient is the wrong person? I have seen these things threatening all sorts of dire consequences if the (incorrect) recipient retransmits the emails they are attached to. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
coleman stoves at GFM
Hello, GFMers. I have flat griddle that fits the older 2 burner Coleman stoves. My stove is only a couple years old and it won't fit. I had planned on giving it to Dave, but he chickened out. So lemme know if you're planning on bringing a Coleman stove to GFM, and I'll bring the griddle along. Trade for a beer? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF lenses on AF 1.7X adapter
Of courses it would. There is a digital pin on the AF, adapter, it does the same thing that the F, FA, DA variable aperture do. The AF adapter passes the A pin information to the body the Digital pin supplies the offset. That would be the simplest way to make it work. If you're manually changing things the camera probably assumes you know what you're doing, or at least that you want to have control. Tim Øsleby wrote: The odd thing is that it pickes f:7,1 with 50-135 x 1,7. So it seem the camera does know how fast the mounted lens is. Another odditiy. Manually changing programline to Normal, gives different values. In MTF it is locked, but in Normal it bumps up and down with the light. So I don't know what to think. Never the less, f:10 seem to be a good compromise in most situations with the DA* 300. My main intention was to indicate how usefull the combination is. Not suited for low light. MaritimTim 2008/5/7 Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mmm not sure MTF works. It should not work IMO since there's no communication between lens and body except A-type informations. Your MTF program line probably fall back to standard program in this case. A lenses do not provie any MTF informations. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: May PUG is up
On 7/5/08, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed: No fights, and they were speaking German. Hmmm... THAT is interesting -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500.. On an unrelated note, John you really should think about deleting the Carmel College legalese on your PDML messages. Curiousity question: How binding are these legalese things on the recipient if the recipient is the wrong person? I have seen these things threatening all sorts of dire consequences if the (incorrect) recipient retransmits the emails they are attached to. They aren't binding at all. I expect they're just put on for intimidation factor (though I don't know who'd be intimidated). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500.. They aren't binding at all. I expect they're just put on for intimidation factor (though I don't know who'd be intimidated). Probably the same people who watch out for the program police every time one of them performs an illegal operation and closes down. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Split tone
From: Derby Chang Subject: GESO: Split tone I've liked the recent round of flower shots, especially Christine's sepias. So... http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_05/08_05_split/index.htm Lovely work Derby. 04 is strangely erotic. William Robb Very nice compositions. Number 4 does hit the spot. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
Thanks Joe, I will do, I just thought I'd ask you guys first. Regards, John On Wed, 07 May 2008 09:24:39 -0600, Joseph Tainter wrote John, check over at dpreview. There are several satisfied users there. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. John Whittingham Technician The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
I do on replies when I remember, it's generated automatically otherwise. The IT manager is a personal friend, so no worries there! Regards, John On Wed, 7 May 2008 23:47:49 +0800, David Savage wrote On an unrelated note, John you really should think about deleting the Carmel College legalese on your PDML messages. That stuff is archived I don't know how your employers feel about private correspondence on company email, but my boss would pitch a fit if I did that he found out. :-D Cheers, Dave 2008/5/7 John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: on a K10D or K20D, could you please advise on the following: 1. Does SR work effectively? 2. Is the lens type displayed correctly in the EXIF i.e. Sigma 50-500 EX? 3. Aprroximate aperture when zoomed at 300mm f/4, f/4.5, f/5.6? 4. Does the lens extend when zoomed? 5. Does the front element rotate when focusing? Any comments on performance/sample images much appreciated. I think summer arrived in the UK yesterday 8) John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
LOL John On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:28:24 -0600, William Robb wrote - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500.. They aren't binding at all. I expect they're just put on for intimidation factor (though I don't know who'd be intimidated). Probably the same people who watch out for the program police every time one of them performs an illegal operation and closes down. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: McJunkyard
That's very funny and a very nice pic. Finally a McD I would like to visit for the toys. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given that the world economy is on a downturn, is this the time for McDonalds to be diversifying?. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/87764/McJunkyard.html Cheers Brian (PS: In case anyone is wondering, the sign reads Reward: Lost dog, black and white, one eye, 1/2 an ear, 3 legs, 1 nut, no tail. Quiet and friendly. Answers to the name 'Lucky') ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Bleeding Heart
Ideal composition, Paul. Can't help but wonder if I'd like it somewhat brighter, however.(?) Jack --- On Wed, 5/7/08, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: Bleeding Heart To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 8:51 AM http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7234010size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Bleeding Heart
From where I'm sitting, the light is perfect. Jack Davis wrote: Ideal composition, Paul. Can't help but wonder if I'd like it somewhat brighter, however.(?) Jack --- On Wed, 5/7/08, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: Bleeding Heart To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 8:51 AM http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7234010size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
Joseph Tainter wrote: John, check over at dpreview. There are several satisfied users there. Joe sorry, can't get past the idea that there are any satisfied users of anything at dpreview. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: McJunkyard
I remember that! Bob S. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:13 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: PESO: McJunkyard Now would we do that to you Bob??? ROTFL. Years ago, I doctored a picture I had submitted to the PUG to put a set of Golden Arches into the middle of the Utah Desert. I thought it was very tastefully done, but I got a very stern email from Bob warning me that this could be a most serious transgression, and that I wanted to rethink my strategy regarding whom I mocked. It was years later, when I met him at GFM that I finally found out that my chain had been yanked very hard. I'm still trying to think of a suitable retribution. Perhaps I'll send him a gift certificate to Wendy's. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Poll/question: T-shirt sizes
I'm going to order up a batch of PDML You can never have too many lenses t-shirts to bring to GFM and I'm wondering what ratio of small/medium/large/x-large to order. Since I'll be paying for these out of pocket in advance, I don't want to have any left over at the end. Anyone have any experience in this area? Any WAG's? ;-) Also, if anyone who's coming wants anything from the PDML shop to pick up in person at the mountain, let me know and I'll add it to my order. (I'll bring a few mouse pads and stickers as well.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................
Doug Brewer wrote: Joseph Tainter wrote: John, check over at dpreview. There are several satisfied users there. sorry, can't get past the idea that there are any satisfied users of anything at dpreview. So you're telling us that you're not satisfied with the Pentax forum at DP Review? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Poll/question: T-shirt sizes
A pdml sticker please... Bob S. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to order up a batch of PDML You can never have too many lenses t-shirts to bring to GFM and I'm wondering what ratio of small/medium/large/x-large to order. Since I'll be paying for these out of pocket in advance, I don't want to have any left over at the end. Anyone have any experience in this area? Any WAG's? ;-) Also, if anyone who's coming wants anything from the PDML shop to pick up in person at the mountain, let me know and I'll add it to my order. (I'll bring a few mouse pads and stickers as well.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photobook company
I had Blurb do a small soft cover and was pleased with the results. You *do* need to be sure images are tagged sRGB, though, or you'll be disappointed with the color. -p Mark Roberts wrote: Well, I'll know soon enough what Blurb.com books are like: Yesterday I downloaded their software, threw together a book with photos from a project I've had on the back burner for a while and uploaded and ordered a copy. They say it should ship May 15th so I should have it in less than two weeks. I'll report back on the quality. Here's my Blurb bookstore so far: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/237528 I think you can order it on line now, though I'd wait until hearing a report from the author as to whether it's worth buying and I won't know for a couple of weeks :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photobook company
Paul Sorenson wrote: I had Blurb do a small soft cover and was pleased with the results. You *do* need to be sure images are tagged sRGB, though, or you'll be disappointed with the color. Yep, did that. I also soft-proofed using their HP 5000 profile, just to get an idea of what the final product ought to be like. Mark Roberts wrote: Well, I'll know soon enough what Blurb.com books are like: Yesterday I downloaded their software, threw together a book with photos from a project I've had on the back burner for a while and uploaded and ordered a copy. They say it should ship May 15th so I should have it in less than two weeks. I'll report back on the quality. Here's my Blurb bookstore so far: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/237528 I think you can order it on line now, though I'd wait until hearing a report from the author as to whether it's worth buying and I won't know for a couple of weeks :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PUG photo resizing problems
Hey, gang. Bob S. noticed that his photo had been down sized for the PUG. So I took a look and found that several were sized smaller than I specified. The software is set to 720x720, but a few have a long edge of 540. There doesn't seem to be much of an order to it, so I'm not sure what went wrong. Just wanted to apologize for this. I sure didn't notice before Bob mentioned it. I probably won't rebuild the existing gallery, but I'll double check this before uploading next month's. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Split tone
On May 7, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Derby Chang wrote: I've liked the recent round of flower shots, especially Christine's sepias. So... http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_05/08_05_split/index.htm These are quite lovely, Derby. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
Of these I like http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2361/2264457467_3715e407a7_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2070/1873614000_eb7bcffdb4_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2391/2105976158_f5943358b8_o.jpg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1156628029_59615df340_o.jpg I don't know that a rectilinear ultrawide is that much less challenging to use compared to an FE, but it is appropriate to a greater range of what I shoot, it seems. In fisheye lenses, I have both the DA10-17 that I use on the K10D and the Pentax Fish-Eye- Takumar that I use on the panny and oly bodies, in rectilinears I have the DA14 for the K10D and ZD 11-22 for the panny and oly. Overall I get good results with both but I find FE work becomes somewhat gimmicky looking a little faster than rectilinear work. Shooting interiors at Alcatraz with the DA14 primarily last year, I started wishing for either a DA12-24 (or the outstanding Olympus ZD 7-14) as many of the spaces were too tight even for a 90 degree diagonal FoV. The more square format of the Panny and Oly bodies seems to serve me better for an ultrawide perspective, however. Godfrey On May 7, 2008, at 4:44 AM, David Savage wrote: Ahhh... but there is fisheye then there is fisheye: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1156628029_59615df340_o.jpg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1198/1452643623_1619e0b9e3_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2391/2105976158_f5943358b8_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2358/2061669625_6e19da5ea3_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2070/1873614000_eb7bcffdb4_o.jpg BTW thats my head bottom centre :-) http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2157/1872754167_06090cd9e2_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2276313657_0a803c3e68_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2361/2264457467_3715e407a7_o.jpg I love DA 10-17mm FE in crowds at parties, framing viewfinder use is optional :-) While a rectilinear lens will be less challenging to use, the FE is just so much fun opens up some real creative possibilities. Getting back on topic, I'd go for the DA 12-24mm. But I have a real loathing for Sigma products. Just my 0.02c Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: coleman stoves at GFM
FWIW, I would buy four of the littel 16oz propane bottles from Walgreen or Walburg or what ever they are called, and would only use up three, and that includes a coleman lantern at night, the mini BBQ and Coleman stove.. Just an FYI for any ones planning.:-) Dave On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, GFMers. I have flat griddle that fits the older 2 burner Coleman stoves. My stove is only a couple years old and it won't fit. I had planned on giving it to Dave, but he chickened out. So lemme know if you're planning on bringing a Coleman stove to GFM, and I'll bring the griddle along. Trade for a beer? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
