RE: GESO: Our creepy block

2008-11-03 Thread Bob W
Good stuff! 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Rick Womer
 Sent: 03 November 2008 02:51
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: GESO: Our creepy block
 
 I've been extremely busy with travel and work lately, and 
 while I have been shooting a lot I have been posting very 
 little (and had 545 PDML messages in my mailbox Saturday morning!).
 
 Friday I got home in time to catch the trick-or-treaters.  We 
 close our block to traffic, children (and some adults) dress 
 up, and besides trick-or-treating we serve hot dogs and cider 
 to anyone who shows up.  There are usually 250-300 kids 
 visiting our block.
 
 The pix are here:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=873351
 
 All taken with the K10D, FA 24-90, and Sigma EF500 DG Super flash.
 
 A technical note:  I and others have had some exposure 
 consistency problems with that flash.  With the 24-90 it 
 works beautifully, and that led me to do some experiments 
 with the 16-45.  The key seems to be remembering to put down 
 the diffuser screen at focal lengths shorter than 20mm--it 
 doesn't just prevent vignetting, it also seems to change the 
 flash metering in some way.
 


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RE: GESO: San Francisco

2008-11-03 Thread Bob W
 
 Just put up the gallery from my San Francisco trip a month 
 ago. Sorry, it's all Nikon gear except for the crappy 
 waterproof Oly I use for kayaking. :)
 
 http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p249448256/
 
 I just got a new Wacom tablet and I used it and the trial 
 version of Lightroom 2 (along with PS) to edit this batch. 
 They both made processing a lot easier and more fun.
 
 I'd actually love to hear opinions on this photo:
 http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p249448256/h2a323a66#h2a323a66
 
 I like the composition but I can't decide if it's too backlit 
 to be a successful shot.
 
 Thanks,
 Amita

Nice work. I think the backlit shot is fine, but you might want to take the
mid-tone shadows down just a little bit and/or maybe use the Punch preset.

Bob


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OT: The Midnight Flasher

2008-11-03 Thread Matthew Hunt
The shirt-of-the-day at shirt.woot.com is called The Midnight Flasher.

http://shirt.woot.com/Friends.aspx?k=6994

$10 shipped if you buy it today (I think it's $15 thereafter).

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Re: Re: Portrait software

2008-11-03 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Jens

Subject: Re: Re: Portrait software



Hello William
Over here, it's about the same. A few companies are dominating the 
business.
Still I think it's a free market. I can try to get a piece of the cake, if 
I want.


I am current trying too start/run a business doing photography for 
planning purposes - www.planfoto.dk. I know thee'll be times with very few 
or no orders, so I'm looking for supplementary sources of income. 
Portraits could be one of them. School portraits doesn't hjave to make you 
rich, but if you have enough orders, the salery is quite good. One school 
class = 1-2 weeks salery. It's like photographing in an assembly line.


A frind of mine once said: You can make a living from just about anything, 
if you organize it well. I guess this goes for school photography too.

I actually know a photographer, who became quite whealty this way.


It certainly can be done. The important thing is consistency. Set our lights 
up one way and don't EVER adjust their position.
It's different for grad photos, which I actually like doing. You have a 
little more leeway, but still, keep your ratios reasonable.


Yousuf Karsch doesn't sell to grandmothers.



 PS: Many photographing companies offer such packages for schools
 etc.
  The price is often apr. 50 USD for on package wieh a number of
 portraits and one group portrait.

 If marketed right this can be a brilliant source of income. If I
 could fill my order book, I could make one months wages in just
 one
 week. One school class is enough for one week salery.

 This is worth taking into consideration, if you wnat to make a
 living
 from photography...:-)

 Unfortunately, around where I live (Southeastern US - North
 Carolina)
 there's one company that already has a lock on the business; already
 has
 contracts with most of the school systems.

 Another good line is CHURCHES - get the pastor on the hook with a
 really
 LOW PRICE for a group portrait of the congregation then sell all the

 individual families portrait packages

 They also have the contract for the Photo Studio at most WalMart,
 Target
  J.C. Penny stores.

 They don't hire photographers.

 They take kids who want to be photographers, give them a quickie
 course -
 Camera here, this light here, that light there, switches just so ...
 this
 is how the background is hung - and pay them $11.00 an hour +
 reimbursement for expenses.

 The reimbursement = $.35 a mile for the wear  tear and fuel for
 their
 personal vehicle + minimal per diem.

 After a while the kids realize that when you add in all the unpaid
 travel
 time they're making less than they could flippin' burgers at
 McDonalds, so
 the company has to hire another batch of new kids.

 Still, I'd take $11.00 an hour if they'd hire me for one of the
 nearby
 J.C. Penny or Target studios, but I ain't going out on the road for
 that.

 Moot anyway - they don't hire photographers.


Photographers are too hard to train. They always think they have a better 
way (which they do), and they tend to be loose cannons in the studio.


William Robb 



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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Walter Hamler
Yes, and you can buy brand new with warranty through Amazon from
Cameta Camera for 809.00 or maybe even less by now. I paid 829 ten
days ago and also got the three year warranty (after contacting
Pentax).

Walt

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 12:37:57PM -0800, John Celio wrote:

  Damn...   For sale: Pentax K20 D, less than 3000 images, small
  scratch
  on LCD. Make offer!

 
  Well, it's not in mint condition anymore, and it's about to become 
  obsolete. I'll give you ten bucks for it.
 
  John   ;)  (would, actually, be interested in a used K20)

 Supposedly the price of the K20D dropped $200 or so recently, so you could
 well be able to get a new one at an affordable price.

 KEH has a used K20D LN - $959.

 LN = Like New Perfect. Includes original box and instructions and any
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OT, so far OT you'd need a Bigma...

2008-11-03 Thread Rick Womer
Does anybody have a bugle they'd care to sell?

Email me off list.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


  

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Re: F1 season end...(spoiler)

2008-11-03 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/11/02 Sun PM 08:01:25 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: F1 season end...
 
 
 Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton on his last turn of the last lap  
 capture of the world F1 championship!

There was a song about that.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mg8m49vSM8

 
 And of course to Philipe Massa on his great season and final race win.
 
 And to the team at Scuderia Ferrari for another stellar year of race  
 car engineering and operations.
 
 Joseph McAllister
 Pentaxian
 
 
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Re: OT, so far OT you'd need a Bigma...

2008-11-03 Thread Doug Brewer

Rick Womer wrote:

Does anybody have a bugle they'd care to sell?

Email me off list.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


I had one for a while in junior high, but I had no mouthpiece, so I was 
limited to a small range of squeaks and honks as I marched around the 
house. It disappeared one day while I was at school. My mother claimed 
innocence, intimating a very specific type of burgler might have been 
involved.


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Re: GESO: San Francisco

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
Amita,
Very much enjoyed all your images. Nice collection. Did you attend Fleet Week?
The pic you specifically ask to be critiqued does suffer slightly from back 
lighting. The sky is high marine layer typical, but does add to the lack of 
depth. Some expeditious additional contrast, followed by the likely need to 
knock down the glare in the water, MIGHT give the scene more presence.(?)

Jack

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: GESO: San Francisco
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:42 PM
 Just put up the gallery from my San Francisco trip a month
 ago. Sorry,
 it's all Nikon gear except for the crappy waterproof
 Oly I use for
 kayaking. :)
 
 http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p249448256/
 
 I just got a new Wacom tablet and I used it and the trial
 version of
 Lightroom 2 (along with PS) to edit this batch. They both
 made
 processing a lot easier and more fun.
 
 I'd actually love to hear opinions on this photo:
 http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p249448256/h2a323a66#h2a323a66
 
 I like the composition but I can't decide if it's
 too backlit to be a
 successful shot.
 
 Thanks,
 Amita
 
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RE: F1 season end...(spoiler)

2008-11-03 Thread Anthony Farr
 -Original Message-
 From: mike wilson
 
  Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton on his last turn of the last lap
  capture of the world F1 championship!
 
 There was a song about that.
 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mg8m49vSM8
 

And there's a song for Felipe Massa:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lsOBpDkwBtMfeature=related

regards, Anthony




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Re: Portrait software

2008-11-03 Thread Doug Brewer

William Robb wrote:


 Unfortunately, around where I live (Southeastern US - North
 Carolina)
 there's one company that already has a lock on the business; already
 has
 contracts with most of the school systems.

 Another good line is CHURCHES - get the pastor on the hook with a
 really
 LOW PRICE for a group portrait of the congregation then sell all the

 individual families portrait packages

 They also have the contract for the Photo Studio at most WalMart,
 Target
  J.C. Penny stores.

 They don't hire photographers.

 They take kids who want to be photographers, give them a quickie
 course -
 Camera here, this light here, that light there, switches just so ...
 this
 is how the background is hung - and pay them $11.00 an hour +
 reimbursement for expenses.

 The reimbursement = $.35 a mile for the wear  tear and fuel for
 their
 personal vehicle + minimal per diem.

 After a while the kids realize that when you add in all the unpaid
 travel
 time they're making less than they could flippin' burgers at
 McDonalds, so
 the company has to hire another batch of new kids.

 Still, I'd take $11.00 an hour if they'd hire me for one of the
 nearby
 J.C. Penny or Target studios, but I ain't going out on the road for
 that.

 Moot anyway - they don't hire photographers.



Photographers are too hard to train. They always think they have a 
better way (which they do), and they tend to be loose cannons in the 
studio.


William Robb


Speaking as veteran of the portrait mills, and a guy who used to make 
his living training these people, I did hire photographers. But I 
prefered not to, because too many people who think of themselves as 
photographers are anything but, having only a pocket full of bad habits 
and an indifferent attitude toward learning useful techniques.


It was usually too difficult and time-consuming to retrain the bad 
habits out of them, but sometimes it was worth it, if I could see some 
willingness to accept instruction.


It's not just the volume people who have this attitude; I applied at a 
couple independent studios back in the day, and was given the same line, 
that they only hired people who knew nothing about photography so they 
wouldn't have to deal with all the retraining.


I know it's very fashionable to mock the volume photo people, and like 
any other industry it has its faults, but it's also a great way to get a 
solid grounding in the basics of studio photography, not to mention 
having access to piles of equipment that you don't have to go out and 
purchase yourself, and if you are motivated enough to grasp the 
fundamentals and apply them, you can create some truly exceptional work.


But only if you have the balls to stand up to a parade of toddlers and 
their mothers/grandmothers.


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Re: F1 season end...(spoiler)

2008-11-03 Thread Mark Roberts
By the way everyone - Paula Radcliffe won the New York City Marathon 
yesterday.

:)




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Re: Fine Wines Spirits

2008-11-03 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: mike wilson

Subject: Re: Fine Wines  Spirits






From: Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Coldish  dampish in Ole Chicago as well, and I'm home with a really bad
cold, but I guess it's better than being home with a really bad lover.


Nobody wants to Mark! that?


At some point in your life, you realize that there is no such thing...

William Robb 



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Re: F1 season end...(spoiler)

2008-11-03 Thread Doug Brewer

Mark Roberts wrote:
By the way everyone - Paula Radcliffe won the New York City Marathon 
yesterday.

:)


you bastard

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Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG

2008-11-03 Thread Cotty


 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/165-dentist.jpg
 Dentist - Sunnyvale 2008

 Nice work! Clearly you've got the drill down for this stuff!

 Simply numbing !

 A crowning achievement.

 Well, we can put a cap on it now.

You'll gum it up sooner or later.

Don't burn your bridges!




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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Igor Roshchin


Hi All! 
I am surprised: am I the only who can see K20D for  $789.99 + $10
shipping at Buydig.com and $799.98 +free shipping from Amazon? - both
have been ~ $800 since at least Sunday morning.

Igor


Sun Nov 2 22:54:39 EST 2008
John Sessoms wrote:

 KEH has a used K20D LN - $959.
 
 LN = Like New Perfect. Includes original box and instructions and any 
 manufacturer provided accessories.


Mon Nov 3 00:10:01 EST 2008
Joseph McAllister wrote:

 BH Sunday evening.
 
 K20 D Body only - $899.95
 
 Throw in the 18-55mm lens and call it a kit, $934.95
 
 That's $50 less than it was Saturday evening.
 

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Re: Fine Wines Spirits

2008-11-03 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/11/01 Sat PM 05:53:37 GMT
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Fine Wines  Spirits
 
 I don't usually care much for photos that rely on signs and writing to make
 their point - with the obvious exception of Ann's witty and often subtle 
 signs -
 and I usually avoid taking such pictures. But sometimes a man's gotta do what 
 a
 man's gotta do:
 
 http://www.web-options.com/M8/
 
 There's also a picture that's embarrassingly like the sort of shit that Jack
 Vettriano paints.
 
 It's been a wet old day in Olde Londone Towne.


I like the Bomber Harris (?) picture.  Many levels to that.  Any full farme?  
Vignetting problems?

Apologies if this comes through twice.  I had a timeout on the damned webmail 
interface.  Can't use my home machine at the moment, as a power problem at the 
weekend seems to have wiped out my modem, router and central heating unit.  
(That's all separate units, not some Sony ubergizmo)


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PESO - The Duke Rocks (1)

2008-11-03 Thread Anthony Farr
Just getting around to populating my flickr page, so I thought I'd share:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2999473214/in/photostream/

Comment if you like, or even if you don't.

Regards, Anthony


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Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG

2008-11-03 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/11/03 Mon AM 07:39:02 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG
 
 On Nov 2, 2008, at 23:19 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 
  On Nov 2, 2008, at 10:51 PM, Cotty wrote:
 
 
 
  http://homepage.mac.com/godders/165-dentist.jpg
  Dentist - Sunnyvale 2008
 
  Nice work! Clearly you've got the drill down for this stuff!
 
  Simply numbing !
 
  A crowning achievement.
 
  Well, we can put a cap on it now.
 
 
 You'll gum it up sooner or later.

Pull the other one.  It's got roots on it.


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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
and you'll receive a $100 gift certificate against some future purchase.

Jack


--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: K30D
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 9:10 PM
 BH Sunday evening.
 
 K20 D Body only - $899.95
 
 Throw in the 18-55mm lens and call it a kit, $934.95
 
 That's $50 less than it was Saturday evening.
 
 Joseph McAllister
 Pentaxian
 
 On Nov 2, 2008, at 19:54 , John Sessoms wrote:
 
  From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 12:37:57PM -0800, John
 Celio wrote:
   Damn...   For sale: Pentax K20 D,
 less than 3000 images, small scratch
   on LCD. Make offer!
  
   Well, it's not in mint condition
 anymore, and it's about to become  obsolete.
 I'll give you ten bucks for it.
  
   John   ;)  (would, actually, be
 interested in a used K20)
  Supposedly the price of the K20D dropped $200 or
 so recently, so you could
  well be able to get a new one at an affordable
 price.
  
  KEH has a used K20D LN - $959.
  
  LN = Like New Perfect. Includes original
 box and instructions and any manufacturer provided
 accessories.
 
 
 
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Re: DRAT!

2008-11-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
That's the cover for the Infared Focus assist light.
If not focusing in low light, you should be fine.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dropped my AF-540FGZ today. Smashed the red plastic cover over the sensors.
 Doesn't APPEAR to be any other damage.

 How well will it work without it?

 I intend to get it replaced, in fact, I'll call my repair guy Monday, but I
 want to do some function checks to see if there's any other damage, and I
 don't know if I should without the red plastic part in place.

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Re: PESO 2008 - 166 - GDG

2008-11-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Black  White Modigliani?  Nice one.  Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A photo from early in 2005. I like its simple shapes and light.

  http://homepage.mac.com/godders/166-backdoor.jpg
  Back Door - Palo Alto 2005
  Pentax *ist DS + Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8
  ISO 800 @ f/2.8 @ 1/30 sec

 enjoy
 Godfrey

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
Igor,
Buydig's reputation is pretty unsavory. Check with Google for more info.
Could very well be hidden costs and an unpleasant encounter.

Jack

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: K30D
 To: PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 7:27 AM
 Hi All! 
 I am surprised: am I the only who can see K20D for  $789.99
 + $10
 shipping at Buydig.com and $799.98 +free shipping from
 Amazon? - both
 have been ~ $800 since at least Sunday morning.
 
 Igor
 
 
 Sun Nov 2 22:54:39 EST 2008
 John Sessoms wrote:
 
  KEH has a used K20D LN - $959.
  
  LN = Like New Perfect. Includes original
 box and instructions and any 
  manufacturer provided accessories.
 
 
 Mon Nov 3 00:10:01 EST 2008
 Joseph McAllister wrote:
 
  BH Sunday evening.
  
  K20 D Body only - $899.95
  
  Throw in the 18-55mm lens and call it a kit, $934.95
  
  That's $50 less than it was Saturday evening.
  
 
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OT Photoshop image size help

2008-11-03 Thread David J Brooks
Help.

Machine is a PC with CS2.

Ever since i installed cs2, my D1H files have been opening at
something like 4.5x 7.5(more or less) in size at 300 dpi. I then have
an application that i run that does my resize, S/H levels etc.
I resize to 8x12 at 164 dpi. This has been the standard size and dpi
since working with  PS 6, and the D1H files..

I resized two files and used the bicubic smoother to res up to an 8x12
at 300 dpi.

Now all my files open up at 8.5 x 12ish and 300 dpi.

How do i get it to go back to were it was.

I have some CD's to produce this week.



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Re: DRAT!

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
May, also, receive wireless flash info from on-board flash.

Jack


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 Subject: Re: DRAT!
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 8:27 AM
 That's the cover for the Infared Focus assist light.
 If not focusing in low light, you should be fine.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM, John Sessoms
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dropped my AF-540FGZ today. Smashed the red plastic
 cover over the sensors.
  Doesn't APPEAR to be any other damage.
 
  How well will it work without it?
 
  I intend to get it replaced, in fact, I'll call my
 repair guy Monday, but I
  want to do some function checks to see if there's
 any other damage, and I
  don't know if I should without the red plastic
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Re: PESO - The Duke Rocks (1)

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
I like the composition and conversion.

Jack


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 Subject: PESO - The Duke Rocks (1)
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 Just getting around to populating my flickr page, so I
 thought I'd share:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2999473214/in/photostream/
 
 Comment if you like, or even if you don't.
 
 Regards, Anthony
 
 
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RE: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Malcolm Smith
I love this digital revolution. 

In the time I have been wondering about updating the ist D to a K10D, the
K20D came out. Now I have pretty much made up my mind to go for the later
version, this happens. 

With film, I could be indecisive for years about the same camera!

Malcolm


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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I've bought from BuyDig.com on several occasions. My Epson R2400 came  
from them, IIRC.


Good service, quick, no problems, new product.

Godfrey

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am surprised: am I the only who can see K20D for  $789.99 + $10
shipping at Buydig.com and $799.98 +free shipping from
Amazon? - both
have been ~ $800 since at least Sunday morning.




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Re: F1 season end...

2008-11-03 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:09 AM, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I use mutt on FreeBSD

So there's two of us!

(Actually, I use Gmail now.  But for ~10 years I used mutt on FreeBSD.
 And SpamAssassin, which was the best spam-blocker I've ever seen,
especially once I trained it on my own mail and added a few custom
rules.  For example, my real friends do not call me Mph.)

 Fortunately for me the only thing I saw was Felipe Massa's name;
 I stopped reading at that point

Mark!

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Re: Fine Wines Spirits

2008-11-03 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Coldish  dampish in Ole Chicago as well, and I'm home with a really bad 
 cold, but I guess it's better than being home with a really bad lover.

Nobody wants to Mark! that?


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Re: OT Photoshop image size help

2008-11-03 Thread David J Brooks
Got it.

Thanks anyway.:-)

Dave

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Help.

 Machine is a PC with CS2.

 Ever since i installed cs2, my D1H files have been opening at
 something like 4.5x 7.5(more or less) in size at 300 dpi. I then have
 an application that i run that does my resize, S/H levels etc.
 I resize to 8x12 at 164 dpi. This has been the standard size and dpi
 since working with  PS 6, and the D1H files..

 I resized two files and used the bicubic smoother to res up to an 8x12
 at 300 dpi.

 Now all my files open up at 8.5 x 12ish and 300 dpi.

 How do i get it to go back to were it was.

 I have some CD's to produce this week.



 Dave

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Re: GESO: Our creepy block

2008-11-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Rick,
Think we should all head over toyour street next year.
It looks like fun.   Flash was pretty effective.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good stuff!

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Rick Womer
 Sent: 03 November 2008 02:51
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: GESO: Our creepy block

 I've been extremely busy with travel and work lately, and
 while I have been shooting a lot I have been posting very
 little (and had 545 PDML messages in my mailbox Saturday morning!).

 Friday I got home in time to catch the trick-or-treaters.  We
 close our block to traffic, children (and some adults) dress
 up, and besides trick-or-treating we serve hot dogs and cider
 to anyone who shows up.  There are usually 250-300 kids
 visiting our block.

 The pix are here:

 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=873351

 All taken with the K10D, FA 24-90, and Sigma EF500 DG Super flash.

 A technical note:  I and others have had some exposure
 consistency problems with that flash.  With the 24-90 it
 works beautifully, and that led me to do some experiments
 with the 16-45.  The key seems to be remembering to put down
 the diffuser screen at focal lengths shorter than 20mm--it
 doesn't just prevent vignetting, it also seems to change the
 flash metering in some way.



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Re: OT: The Midnight Flasher

2008-11-03 Thread Mark Roberts

Matthew Hunt wrote:

The shirt-of-the-day at shirt.woot.com is called The Midnight Flasher.

http://shirt.woot.com/Friends.aspx?k=6994

$10 shipped if you buy it today (I think it's $15 thereafter).


I notice they also have a deal today on a Pentax Optio M50 for $89.00


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Re: GESO: Grace does Velma, a Halloween Gallery

2008-11-03 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/11/01 Sat PM 10:04:36 GMT
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: GESO: Grace does Velma, a Halloween Gallery
 
 From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 8:22 AM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   You wiener!! :-))
  
   We had over 100 kids last night. But we have township ordinances that
   require them to come within a span of 90 minutes, so it's not too much 
   of a
   burden. Of course my wife insists on giving out relatively expensive 
   candy,
   so it's not without cost. But Grace was in heaven, both trick or treating
   then answering the door afterward.
   Paul
  
  Our area has grown up, so if we get 15 or so kids we are doing well.
  
  Never recognized any of them, so they must have been from other areas.
  
  Dave
 
 Yeah, I'd planned to hide out inside and ignore it this year, but at the 
 last minute decided to buy a bag of candy. My house is kind of creepy 
 anyway, so I don't have to decorate for Halloween, but I do have to sit 
 out on the porch to wait for the kids. I was bundled up, but still like 
 to froze my tuchus off.
 
 I got 3 groups for a total of maybe a dozen kids in two hours of sitting 
 out there. Looked like the oldest might have been 12 or 13, but she 
 seemed to be in it more because she had her little brother in tow than 
 for the loot herself.
 
 The little kids were just as cute as they could be, but I didn't try to 
 take pictures of any of them. Just don't feel comfortable about it.
 
 At least this year I bought candy I can eat later. I like to never got 
 rid of the candy last year.

I borrowed a skeleton from work, put one of those break-stick lights in the 
skull, made a black backcloth  and arranged a string to open the door.  Sadly, 
only one group ran off screaming.


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RE: OT, so far OT you'd need a Bigma...

2008-11-03 Thread Anthony Farr
 -Original Message-
 From: Doug Brewer
 
 Rick Womer wrote:
  Does anybody have a bugle they'd care to sell?
 
  Email me off list.
 
  Rick
 
  http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 I had one for a while in junior high, but I had no mouthpiece, so I was
 limited to a small range of squeaks and honks as I marched around the
 house. It disappeared one day while I was at school. My mother claimed
 innocence, intimating a very specific type of burgler might have been
 involved.
 
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As a small child I had a drum that suffered the same fate  ;-)

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jack,
No problems for me with Buydig.com with good prices and delivery.
Bought the original 'Altoids tin' Optio and another later version Optio there,
Also picked up the *ist DS and K10D thru them.  OK by me...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Igor,
 Buydig's reputation is pretty unsavory. Check with Google for more info.
 Could very well be hidden costs and an unpleasant encounter.

 Jack

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 From: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: K30D
 To: PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 7:27 AM
 Hi All!
 I am surprised: am I the only who can see K20D for  $789.99
 + $10
 shipping at Buydig.com and $799.98 +free shipping from
 Amazon? - both
 have been ~ $800 since at least Sunday morning.

 Igor


 Sun Nov 2 22:54:39 EST 2008
 John Sessoms wrote:

  KEH has a used K20D LN - $959.
 
  LN = Like New Perfect. Includes original
 box and instructions and any
  manufacturer provided accessories.


 Mon Nov 3 00:10:01 EST 2008
 Joseph McAllister wrote:

  BH Sunday evening.
 
  K20 D Body only - $899.95
 
  Throw in the 18-55mm lens and call it a kit, $934.95
 
  That's $50 less than it was Saturday evening.
 

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling

David J Brooks wrote:

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:16 PM, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Find me some rumors that are actually believable, please.



I'v been told wrestling is fake.
  

Oh, God no!  My world is crumbling...

Dave
  

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Re: Peso October mailbox.

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling

All it needs is a single eye on the right side of the pumpkin...

David J Brooks wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8150019

I pass this every day.

Not sure why, but i like this one.

K10D, 50-200, minor LR crop.

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Re: F1 season end...

2008-11-03 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 08:14:09AM -0400, Matthew Hunt wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:09 AM, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I use mutt on FreeBSD
 
 So there's two of us!
 
 (Actually, I use Gmail now.  But for ~10 years I used mutt on FreeBSD.
  And SpamAssassin, which was the best spam-blocker I've ever seen,
 especially once I trained it on my own mail and added a few custom
 rules.  For example, my real friends do not call me Mph.)

My choice of mail client and OS is a consequence of my choosing panix
as a hosting service - I wanted somewhere with usenet access, and with
no mail filtering other than anything I choose to do myself.  I used to
use elm, but nowadays I've pretty much switched over to mutt full time.
I call SpamAssassin from my .procmailrc; it still filters out almost
all the junk, no matter how hard the spammers try to circumvent it.
And I've got other tools to filter out viruses (not that any of those
are likely to target FreeBSD, so if one ever does slip through there's
not much chance of it doing any damage).


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Re: GESO: San Francisco

2008-11-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Amita,
That's an inspiring look at San Francisco.  We've got to schedule a visit!
And some of those shots are really nice, especially given your
equipment handicap.  :-)
The back lit marina hillside needs more color/contrast/punch.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 Just put up the gallery from my San Francisco trip a month ago. Sorry,
 it's all Nikon gear except for the crappy waterproof Oly I use for
 kayaking. :)

 http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p249448256/

 I just got a new Wacom tablet and I used it and the trial version of
 Lightroom 2 (along with PS) to edit this batch. They both made
 processing a lot easier and more fun.

 I'd actually love to hear opinions on this photo:
 http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p249448256/h2a323a66#h2a323a66

 I like the composition but I can't decide if it's too backlit to be a
 successful shot.

 Thanks,
 Amita

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Last I checked buydig had it for ~$939 and BH for ~$999 body only.  I'm 
waiting for a sale...


John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 12:37:57PM -0800, John Celio wrote:
  

Damn...   For sale: Pentax K20 D, less than 3000 images, small scratch
on LCD. Make offer!
  
Well, it's not in mint condition anymore, and it's about to become 
obsolete. I'll give you ten bucks for it.


John  ;)
(would, actually, be interested in a used K20)



Supposedly the price of the K20D dropped $200 or so recently, so you could
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Re: OT, so far OT you'd need a Bigma...

2008-11-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Doug,
Probably one of the old calvary veterans preparing for a re-enactment
of the San Juan Hill charge with Teddy Roosevelt.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rick Womer wrote:

 Does anybody have a bugle they'd care to sell?

 Email me off list.

 Rick

 http://photo.net/photos/RickW

 I had one for a while in junior high, but I had no mouthpiece, so I was
 limited to a small range of squeaks and honks as I marched around the house.
 It disappeared one day while I was at school. My mother claimed innocence,
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Re: GESO: Our creepy block

2008-11-03 Thread David J Brooks
We had one of these.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8146352

Is this direct light or are you using the bounce card.

Dave

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been extremely busy with travel and work lately, and while I have been 
 shooting a lot I have been posting very little (and had 545 PDML messages in 
 my mailbox Saturday morning!).

 Friday I got home in time to catch the trick-or-treaters.  We close our block 
 to traffic, children (and some adults) dress up, and besides 
 trick-or-treating we serve hot dogs and cider to anyone who shows up.  There 
 are usually 250-300 kids visiting our block.

 The pix are here:

 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=873351

 All taken with the K10D, FA 24-90, and Sigma EF500 DG Super flash.

 A technical note:  I and others have had some exposure consistency problems 
 with that flash.  With the 24-90 it works beautifully, and that led me to do 
 some experiments with the 16-45.  The key seems to be remembering to put down 
 the diffuser screen at focal lengths shorter than 20mm--it doesn't just 
 prevent vignetting, it also seems to change the flash metering in some way.

 Rick





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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Damn I just looked at BH it's now ~$900.  The most local Ritz has a 
K10D display, that they're trying to unload for $999.  No wonder they 
can't sell it.


Joseph McAllister wrote:


On Nov 2, 2008, at 12:44 , John Francis wrote:


On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 12:37:57PM -0800, John Celio wrote:

Damn...   For sale: Pentax K20 D, less than 3000 images, small scratch
on LCD. Make offer!


Well, it's not in mint condition anymore, and it's about to become
obsolete. I'll give you ten bucks for it.

John  ;)
(would, actually, be interested in a used K20)


Supposedly the price of the K20D dropped $200 or so recently, so you 
could

well be able to get a new one at an affordable price.



In the process of replacing many lenses, I've noticed that even the 
price of some DA lenses has dropped at BH recently - like between 
friday morning and saturday afternoon.



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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling
The design actually dates from 1966, with very small tweaks and mostly 
to the coatings...


Joseph Tainter wrote:

Interesting idea that FA lenses could make a comeback. I assumed they
disappeared because of the mandate for lead-free glass: Changing the
glass formulations would change the refractive index index and render
the old designs unusable.

This is the excuse in some circles (Roland Mabo on dpreview), but I 
suspect that the real reasons are that they were too expensive to 
produce, had an image circle that was larger than needed, and the * 
ones didn't sell well. Shifting lens production to Vietnam at the same 
time that the *ist D came out gave Pentax an opportunity to start over 
with mostly new designs that would be less expensive to produce.


Note that the oldest optical design is the FA 50 F1.4, dating I 
believe to 1977. If any of the FA lenses had lead in the glass, 
wouldn't it be this one?


Three of the current lenses--the 50 and 100 macros and the 200--are 
the same as the FA optical designs, or nearly so. Did the FA originals 
have lead?


I suspect that the information on this Chinese web site is a bunch of 
malarkey. Pentax does not have the capacity to produce all of those 
old FA lenses in a reasonable time, and it would make little sense for 
them to do so in the absence of a camera with a 24 x 36 mm sensor. If 
they were to, they would be labeled DA or D FA, not FA.


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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Mark Roberts

 I don't think that the sensor size even crosses their mind.

 Just my opinion.

 You're probably right about the regular consumers. The amateur enthusiasts,
 on the other hand, obsess about it more than they should.

You should see the looks i get when the horsey folk find out i still
shoot a 2.74 meg camera.

:-)

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling
It would be nice if Pentax could just keep a presence on the store 
shelves.  When the K10D was released the afore mentioned Ritz shop had a 
prominent Pentax section where it could be easily seen, with a K100, 
K110, and a space for the K10, (out of stock, perpetually).  Now that 
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or the K200D for that matter), and the discontinued Pentax gear is 
hidden under the counter mats next to the cash register.  Milford Camera 
which used to have the K100D on display has no Pentax on display at 
all.  The big box stores have Canon, Olympus and sometimes Nikon and Sony...


PN Stenquist wrote:
I agree. Canon just has brand equity and store placement. They're in 
the media and on the shelves. Pentax can't compete there, but Pentax 
can offer very good product at a good price and take a nice piece of 
the pie. You don't have to be a volume leader to be successful.

Paul
On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:03 PM, George Sinos wrote:


Not responding to Mark - just tagging on here:

I don't think 99% of non-pro or extemely enthusiastic amateur comera
buyers have the slightest idea that there is more than one size of
sensor.

I don't think that the sensor size even crosses their mind.

Just my opinion.

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Re: F1 season end...

2008-11-03 Thread Subash
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:29:18 -0500
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Re: Fine Wines Spirits

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling

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Coldish  dampish in Ole Chicago as well, and I'm home with a really bad 
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Nobody wants to Mark! that?
  

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Re: OT, so far OT you'd need a Bigma...

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling

Doug Brewer wrote:

Rick Womer wrote:

Does anybody have a bugle they'd care to sell?

Email me off list.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


I had one for a while in junior high, but I had no mouthpiece, so I 
was limited to a small range of squeaks and honks as I marched around 
the house. It disappeared one day while I was at school. My mother 
claimed innocence, intimating a very specific type of burgler might 
have been involved.

MARK!

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Re: Fine Wines Spirits

2008-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't usually care much for photos that rely on signs and writing to make
 their point - with the obvious exception of Ann's witty and often subtle 
 signs -
 and I usually avoid taking such pictures. But sometimes a man's gotta do what 
 a
 man's gotta do:

 http://www.web-options.com/M8/

 There's also a picture that's embarrassingly like the sort of shit that Jack
 Vettriano paints.

 It's been a wet old day in Olde Londone Towne.


I especially like this one:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/cool-day-in-warm-sun.html

and this one:

http://www.web-options.com/M8/content/L1030025_large.html

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Re: PESO - The Duke Rocks (1)

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling
This is interesting, didn't someone mention that Pentax was going to 
make a product announcement after the first of the year.  It seems now 
is the time to begin to clear the old inventory if a new replacement was 
in the offing.


Anthony Farr wrote:

Just getting around to populating my flickr page, so I thought I'd share:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2999473214/in/photostream/

Comment if you like, or even if you don't.

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Re: PESO - Warming Sunrays

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
Did you offer to buy that poor girl a drink, Frank? Something steaming she can 
huddle over?
Well handled tough exposure of a human interest scene.

Jack


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 Subject: PESO - Warming Sunrays
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 Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:55 AM
 I was out playing around with my Zenitar 16mm fisheye on the
 weekend.
 On the *istD it's more of a semi-fisheye, I guess, but
 it's still a
 fun lens.
 
 The air was cool but the sun felt warm, or to put it
 another way, it
 was damned cold in the shade, which explains these people
 seeking a
 sunny bench outside a coffee shop.
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/cool-day-in-warm-sun.html
 
 Comments welcome.
 
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Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG

2008-11-03 Thread Ken Waller


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG






From: Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2008/11/03 Mon AM 07:39:02 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG

On Nov 2, 2008, at 23:19 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


 On Nov 2, 2008, at 10:51 PM, Cotty wrote:



 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/165-dentist.jpg
 Dentist - Sunnyvale 2008

 Nice work! Clearly you've got the drill down for this stuff!

 Simply numbing !

 A crowning achievement.

 Well, we can put a cap on it now.


You'll gum it up sooner or later.


Pull the other one.  It's got roots on it.


You ought to get a plaque for that one


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Re: Wildlife Photographer of the Year

2008-11-03 Thread Ken Waller

Sounds like a Detroit PDML field trip and luncheon.
Paul


Name the place  time  I'll be there.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: Wildlife Photographer of the Year



Sounds like a Detroit PDML field trip and luncheon.
Paul
On Oct 31, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote:


This opens in Detroit on December 10.  The Snow Leopard shots look
spectacular...

Bill Sawyer
Livonia, MI

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W
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Subject: Wildlife Photographer of the Year

It opens tomorrow. I plan to go in about a week. Here's a rather 
toothsome

taster:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/08/sci_nat_wildlife_ph
otog
rapher_of_the_year/html/5.stm

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Re: OT, so far OT you'd need a Bigma...

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling

I really, really want to ask...

But I won't.

Rick Womer wrote:

Does anybody have a bugle they'd care to sell?

Email me off list.

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Re: GESO: Our creepy block

2008-11-03 Thread Rick Womer
Direct on-camera flash.

Rick


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 Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 12:08 PM
 We had one of these.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8146352
 
 Is this direct light or are you using the bounce card.
 
 Dave
 
 On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Rick Womer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've been extremely busy with travel and work
 lately, and while I have been shooting a lot I have been
 posting very little (and had 545 PDML messages in my mailbox
 Saturday morning!).
 
  Friday I got home in time to catch the
 trick-or-treaters.  We close our block to traffic, children
 (and some adults) dress up, and besides trick-or-treating we
 serve hot dogs and cider to anyone who shows up.  There are
 usually 250-300 kids visiting our block.
 
  The pix are here:
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=873351
 
  All taken with the K10D, FA 24-90, and Sigma EF500 DG
 Super flash.
 
  A technical note:  I and others have had some exposure
 consistency problems with that flash.  With the 24-90 it
 works beautifully, and that led me to do some experiments
 with the 16-45.  The key seems to be remembering to put down
 the diffuser screen at focal lengths shorter than 20mm--it
 doesn't just prevent vignetting, it also seems to change
 the flash metering in some way.
 
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Re: Fine Wines Spirits

2008-11-03 Thread Mark Roberts

mike wilson wrote:

From: Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Coldish  dampish in Ole Chicago as well, and I'm home with a really bad 
cold, but I guess it's better than being home with a really bad lover.


Nobody wants to Mark! that?


Wasn't necessary ;-)

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Re: GESO: Our creepy block

2008-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been extremely busy with travel and work lately, and while I have been 
 shooting a lot I have been posting very little (and had 545 PDML messages in 
 my mailbox Saturday morning!).

 Friday I got home in time to catch the trick-or-treaters.  We close our block 
 to traffic, children (and some adults) dress up, and besides 
 trick-or-treating we serve hot dogs and cider to anyone who shows up.  There 
 are usually 250-300 kids visiting our block.

 The pix are here:

 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=873351

 All taken with the K10D, FA 24-90, and Sigma EF500 DG Super flash.

 A technical note:  I and others have had some exposure consistency problems 
 with that flash.  With the 24-90 it works beautifully, and that led me to do 
 some experiments with the 16-45.  The key seems to be remembering to put down 
 the diffuser screen at focal lengths shorter than 20mm--it doesn't just 
 prevent vignetting, it also seems to change the flash metering in some way.

 Rick

Fun!

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Charles Robinson

On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:30, Jack Davis wrote:


Igor,
Buydig's reputation is pretty unsavory. Check with Google for more  
info.

Could very well be hidden costs and an unpleasant encounter.



I've never had a bad experience in my handful of interactions with  
Buydig.com.  Same goes for my brother and my dad.


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PESO - Warming Sunrays

2008-11-03 Thread frank theriault
I was out playing around with my Zenitar 16mm fisheye on the weekend.
On the *istD it's more of a semi-fisheye, I guess, but it's still a
fun lens.

The air was cool but the sun felt warm, or to put it another way, it
was damned cold in the shade, which explains these people seeking a
sunny bench outside a coffee shop.

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/cool-day-in-warm-sun.html

Comments welcome.

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Re: Peso October mailbox.

2008-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 2:46 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8150019

 I pass this every day.

 Not sure why, but i like this one.

 K10D, 50-200, minor LR crop.

I like it!

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RE: Fine Wines Spirits

2008-11-03 Thread Bob W
 
  Coldish  dampish in Ole Chicago as well, and I'm home with 
 a really 
  bad cold, but I guess it's better than being home with a 
 really bad lover.
 
 Nobody wants to Mark! that?
 

er, wouldn't like to draw attention to ourselves...

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Re: GESO: San Francisco

2008-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just put up the gallery from my San Francisco trip a month ago. Sorry,
 it's all Nikon gear except for the crappy waterproof Oly I use for
 kayaking. :)

 http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p249448256/

 I just got a new Wacom tablet and I used it and the trial version of
 Lightroom 2 (along with PS) to edit this batch. They both made
 processing a lot easier and more fun.

 I'd actually love to hear opinions on this photo:
 http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p249448256/h2a323a66#h2a323a66

 I like the composition but I can't decide if it's too backlit to be a
 successful shot.

 Thanks,
 Amita

There are some ~great~ shots in there, Amita!

Thanks for sharing them with us.

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RE: OT, so far OT you'd need a Bigma...

2008-11-03 Thread Bob W
No, but I can fart in G-minor if that helps. 

 
 Does anybody have a bugle they'd care to sell?
 
 Email me off list.
 
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RE: Fine Wines Spirits

2008-11-03 Thread Bob W
 
  http://www.web-options.com/M8/
 
  There's also a picture that's embarrassingly like the sort of shit 
  that Jack Vettriano paints.
 
  It's been a wet old day in Olde Londone Towne.
 
 
 I especially like this one:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/cool-day-in-warm-sun.html
 

in fact, you think it's so good it must be one of mine!


 and this one:
 
 http://www.web-options.com/M8/content/L1030025_large.html
 

Ta!

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Igor Roshchin

Jack,

As several people on the list wrote, Buydig appears to have a good
record. You can check photo.net community as well.

I personally purchased my DS, and a lens. My DS had to be sent back due
to the problem with the buil-in flash, and I had no problem or hassle
with the return and replacement.
Although I had made quite several purchases from Adorama, my more recent 
experience with them was less than satisfying (they were misleading
about product availability - both on their website and via the phone). 
That actually stopped me from purchasing my DS from them 3.5 years ago, 
and then subsequently some lenses.

Note that BeachCamera is under the same management as BuyDig and also 
appears to have very reasonable record.

Of course, you have to be alert with all low-margin mail-order
companies, especially NY/NJ-based, including BH. And the typical somewhat
rough manner of the customer service-client relation typical to NYC
appears rude to people living, say, in MidWest.

BTW, while Amazon's rules (e.g. those related to product return) appear 
to be more liberal than those of the NYC photo retailers, if something 
goes off the track, their customer service is hard to deal with - 
it's a huge corporate machine.


Igor


Mon Nov 3 11:30:08 EST 2008
Jack Davis wrote:

 Igor,
 Buydig's reputation is pretty unsavory. Check with Google for more info.
 Could very well be hidden costs and an unpleasant encounter.
 
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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread PN Stenquist
BH is as honest as they come. Very good service, no-hassle  
replacement of defective merchandise and a large volume of in-stock  
equipment. I buy all my cameras and lenses from BH, as do a number of  
other list members, and I've never had a problem.

Paul


On Nov 3, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:



Jack,

As several people on the list wrote, Buydig appears to have a good
record. You can check photo.net community as well.

I personally purchased my DS, and a lens. My DS had to be sent back  
due

to the problem with the buil-in flash, and I had no problem or hassle
with the return and replacement.
Although I had made quite several purchases from Adorama, my more  
recent

experience with them was less than satisfying (they were misleading
about product availability - both on their website and via the phone).
That actually stopped me from purchasing my DS from them 3.5 years  
ago,

and then subsequently some lenses.

Note that BeachCamera is under the same management as BuyDig and also
appears to have very reasonable record.

Of course, you have to be alert with all low-margin mail-order
companies, especially NY/NJ-based, including BH. And the typical  
somewhat

rough manner of the customer service-client relation typical to NYC
appears rude to people living, say, in MidWest.

BTW, while Amazon's rules (e.g. those related to product return)  
appear

to be more liberal than those of the NYC photo retailers, if something
goes off the track, their customer service is hard to deal with -
it's a huge corporate machine.


Igor


Mon Nov 3 11:30:08 EST 2008
Jack Davis wrote:


Igor,
Buydig's reputation is pretty unsavory. Check with Google for more  
info.

Could very well be hidden costs and an unpleasant encounter.

Jack



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Re: Fine Wines Spirits

2008-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  http://www.web-options.com/M8/
 
  There's also a picture that's embarrassingly like the sort of shit
  that Jack Vettriano paints.
 
  It's been a wet old day in Olde Londone Towne.
 

 I especially like this one:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/cool-day-in-warm-sun.html


 in fact, you think it's so good it must be one of mine!

Oops!

I meant to say that I really liked this one (in addition to the
rainy-day umbrella shot):

http://www.web-options.com/M8/content/L1030011_large.html

Sorry about that.  Clearly shoddy cut and pasting on my part.

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Mark Roberts

PN Stenquist wrote:
BH is as honest as they come. Very good service, no-hassle replacement 
of defective merchandise and a large volume of in-stock equipment. I buy 
all my cameras and lenses from BH, as do a number of other list 
members, and I've never had a problem.


Ditto. Just ordered an AF540FGZ yesterday. Received shipping 
conformation at 9:30 this morning. I'll have it on Wednesday.


I could have saved about $25 if I'd bought it elsewhere. Not worth the 
hassle/risk. BH rules!


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RE: Wildlife Photographer of the Year

2008-11-03 Thread Bill Sawyer
I'm up for that. It's open until late April, so we have lots of time. 

Bill Sawyer
Livonia, MI

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Sounds like a Detroit PDML field trip and luncheon.
Paul
On Oct 31, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote:

 This opens in Detroit on December 10.  The Snow Leopard shots look
 spectacular...

 Bill Sawyer
 Livonia, MI

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 It opens tomorrow. I plan to go in about a week. Here's a rather  
 toothsome
 taster:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/08/sci_nat_wildlife_ph
 otog
 rapher_of_the_year/html/5.stm

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RE: Fine Wines Spirits

2008-11-03 Thread Bob W
  
  http://www.web-options.com/M8/
  
 
 I like the Bomber Harris (?) picture.  Many levels to that.  
 Any full farme?  Vignetting problems?


Here's an uncropped variant:
http://www.web-options.com/L1030012.jpg

It is Bomber Harris. The chap in bronze, that is. Not the chap in the mac.

I haven't had any real-world problems with the M8 yet, apart from a tiny piece
of dust on the sensor. I've never had to clean a sensor before, but this should
blow off quite nicely. I did manage to get 2 of the infamous M8 problems in one
frame a few evenings ago while I was playing with it. I took a photo in my
hallway with a light just in the top of the frame and this yielded the green
streak problem; in the same frame was a deep black cotton jacket which came out
magenta.
 
 Apologies if this comes through twice.  I had a timeout on 
 the damned webmail interface.  Can't use my home machine at 
 the moment, as a power problem at the weekend seems to have 
 wiped out my modem, router and central heating unit.  (That's 
 all separate units, not some Sony ubergizmo)
 

Sounds like a damned useful device. Get on to the patent office, quick.

Bob


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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
Igor,
When I read your post, I simply went straight to Google to see what I could 
find about BuyDig's reputation. The first few headings I cam upon were very 
negative and were offered to you as an alert. I've never personally dealt with 
them.
I agree, through personal experience, that Adorama can be be slick and 
deceptive.

Jack


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: K30D
 To: PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:55 AM
 Jack,
 
 As several people on the list wrote, Buydig appears to have
 a good
 record. You can check photo.net community as well.
 
 I personally purchased my DS, and a lens. My DS had to be
 sent back due
 to the problem with the buil-in flash, and I had no problem
 or hassle
 with the return and replacement.
 Although I had made quite several purchases from Adorama,
 my more recent 
 experience with them was less than satisfying (they were
 misleading
 about product availability - both on their website and via
 the phone). 
 That actually stopped me from purchasing my DS from them
 3.5 years ago, 
 and then subsequently some lenses.
 
 Note that BeachCamera is under the same management as
 BuyDig and also 
 appears to have very reasonable record.
 
 Of course, you have to be alert with all low-margin
 mail-order
 companies, especially NY/NJ-based, including BH. And
 the typical somewhat
 rough manner of the customer service-client
 relation typical to NYC
 appears rude to people living, say, in MidWest.
 
 BTW, while Amazon's rules (e.g. those related to
 product return) appear 
 to be more liberal than those of the NYC photo retailers,
 if something 
 goes off the track, their customer service is hard to deal
 with - 
 it's a huge corporate machine.
 
 
 Igor
 
 
 Mon Nov 3 11:30:08 EST 2008
 Jack Davis wrote:
 
  Igor,
  Buydig's reputation is pretty unsavory. Check with
 Google for more info.
  Could very well be hidden costs and an
 unpleasant encounter.
  
  Jack
 
 
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Compatibility of Ricoh and Chinon K mounts??

2008-11-03 Thread JC OConnell
Any experts out there know of any compatibility
Issues with using Ricoh and Chinon K mount lenses
On all PENTAX K mount bodies, SLR/DSLR?

I seem to remember some problems mentioned years
Ago but forgot. Worst case would be lenses getting
Stuck on or damaging the K mount Pentax bodies.

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
Nor have I! I actually enjoy rewarding their integrity by giving them what 
business I can.

Jack


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: K30D
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 12:09 PM
 BH is as honest as they come. Very good service,
 no-hassle replacement of defective merchandise and a large
 volume of in-stock equipment. I buy all my cameras and
 lenses from BH, as do a number of other list members,
 and I've never had a problem.
 Paul
 
 
 On Nov 3, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
  
  Jack,
  
  As several people on the list wrote, Buydig appears to
 have a good
  record. You can check photo.net community as well.
  
  I personally purchased my DS, and a lens. My DS had to
 be sent back due
  to the problem with the buil-in flash, and I had no
 problem or hassle
  with the return and replacement.
  Although I had made quite several purchases from
 Adorama, my more recent
  experience with them was less than satisfying (they
 were misleading
  about product availability - both on their website and
 via the phone).
  That actually stopped me from purchasing my DS from
 them 3.5 years ago,
  and then subsequently some lenses.
  
  Note that BeachCamera is under the same management as
 BuyDig and also
  appears to have very reasonable record.
  
  Of course, you have to be alert with all low-margin
 mail-order
  companies, especially NY/NJ-based, including BH.
 And the typical somewhat
  rough manner of the customer
 service-client relation typical to NYC
  appears rude to people living, say, in MidWest.
  
  BTW, while Amazon's rules (e.g. those related to
 product return) appear
  to be more liberal than those of the NYC photo
 retailers, if something
  goes off the track, their customer service is hard to
 deal with -
  it's a huge corporate machine.
  
  
  Igor
  
  
  Mon Nov 3 11:30:08 EST 2008
  Jack Davis wrote:
  
  Igor,
  Buydig's reputation is pretty unsavory. Check
 with Google for more info.
  Could very well be hidden costs and an
 unpleasant encounter.
  
  Jack
  
  
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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
Ever have your wife go online and find the item you've been babbling about 
ordering for,a lot less at Slime Photo. Good luck with your explanation. *=(
I think my wife has finally gotten it. :)

Jack


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 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 12:16 PM
 PN Stenquist wrote:
  BH is as honest as they come. Very good service,
 no-hassle replacement of defective merchandise and a large
 volume of in-stock equipment. I buy all my cameras and
 lenses from BH, as do a number of other list members,
 and I've never had a problem.
 
 Ditto. Just ordered an AF540FGZ yesterday. Received
 shipping conformation at 9:30 this morning. I'll have it
 on Wednesday.
 
 I could have saved about $25 if I'd bought it
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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Igor Roshchin

Paul, 

I didn't say otherwise. I also purchased some lenses from them.
(I actually don't remember if I purchased my zx-5n from them or from
Adorama.) 
While I do not know their standing prior to 1996-1997, my 
impression was that somewhere around that time they drastically improved.
Henry Posner made a special effort addressing complaints, in Usenet photo 
groups, photo.net community, etc, hence improving their image, 

Back in 1997 my choice of stores was BH, Adorama, CWO.
Today it is BH, Buydig, possibly Amazon and Adorama.

Still, every time I place an order with either of these stores, I 
concentrate on making sure I verify all details, and watch out for all
possible caveats - in order to avoid potential problems.

Igor


Mon Nov 3 15:09:46 EST 2008
PN Stenquist wrote:

 BH is as honest as they come. Very good service, no-hassle  
 replacement of defective merchandise and a large volume of in-stock  
 equipment. I buy all my cameras and lenses from BH, as do a number of  
 other list members, and I've never had a problem.
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Re: GESO: Grace does Velma, a Halloween Gallery

2008-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:48 PM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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That's a great costume!  Looks just like Velma!

Also looks like Grace had a fun time - as kids should on Hallowe'en.

Thanks for sharing these, Paul.

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Re: Compatibility of Ricoh and Chinon K mounts??

2008-11-03 Thread Adam Maas
Ricoh P lenses are not safe to mount on Pentax AF bodies as the P
indicator pin is located in the same spot as the AF drive  and can
easily jam the lens on the mount. You can modify the lens to be safe
by removing the P pin.

Chinon's are safe and fully compatible

-Adam

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:23 PM, JC OConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any experts out there know of any compatibility
 Issues with using Ricoh and Chinon K mount lenses
 On all PENTAX K mount bodies, SLR/DSLR?

 I seem to remember some problems mentioned years
 Ago but forgot. Worst case would be lenses getting
 Stuck on or damaging the K mount Pentax bodies.

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Re: PESO: a forest

2008-11-03 Thread frank theriault
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 I spotted a single green tree in a forest. The shot didn't look like a
 keeper while chimping so I tried some vertical panning with SR off:

 http://www.repiuk.nl/peso


Cool!

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Re: Compatibility of Ricoh and Chinon K mounts??

2008-11-03 Thread Adam Maas
Essentially, although the P lenses lack the A electrical contacts. All
P lenses are labelled with a green P on the nameplate, ie a '50mm f2
P'

-Adam

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:44 PM, JC OConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's a Ricoh P lens? Their version of the A lenses?

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 Ricoh P lenses are not safe to mount on Pentax AF bodies as the P
 indicator pin is located in the same spot as the AF drive  and can
 easily jam the lens on the mount. You can modify the lens to be safe by
 removing the P pin.

 Chinon's are safe and fully compatible

 -Adam

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 Any experts out there know of any compatibility
 Issues with using Ricoh and Chinon K mount lenses
 On all PENTAX K mount bodies, SLR/DSLR?

 I seem to remember some problems mentioned years
 Ago but forgot. Worst case would be lenses getting
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there is still a reason to have Photoshop around ...

2008-11-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I have this photo of a yellow carousel horse which is going into a  
folio I'm printing.

This is one of the first times I've run into a serious gamut problem.

My first print attempt, batched up with a number of other photos in  
sequence, was set for color-managed printing from Lightroom 2.1 to the  
R2400, using Exhibition Fiber Paper with Epson's supplied PixelGenius  
paper profile and Perceptual rendering intent. The photo has a  
smoothly reflective section which shades from deep yellow right up to  
about the 92% white and back again. This looked like a stairstep  
horror as it staged from a greenish yellow to a pinkish orange, to  
bare white, then back again. Ugh.


I rendered the image with the Lightroom adjustments and opened it in  
Photoshop. Configured the Proof Setup for the paper target. Wow, the  
difference between Perceptual and Relative Colormetric rendering on  
this image is enormous. Turning on Gamut Warning, a huge range of the  
image was masked. I did a tweak to the image using an HSV layer,  
dropping the saturation and then another layer popping up the mid tone  
brightness slightly while pulling down the toe end. This brought it  
all down into range. The difference between Perceptual and Relative  
Colormetric


Going back into Lightroom, I made similar adjustments in the Develop  
module, flipping back and forth between the rendered Photoshop TIFF  
image and the DNG adjustments until it looked better. I then rendered  
that out and brought it back into Photoshop ... this one passed the  
proof and gamut warning tests, even with Perceptual rendering intent.


And proof that the color managed workflow works: the finished output  
print is now identical to what I see on screen. :-)


Ok, Adobe: I guess there are those occasions when one needs the soft  
proofing and gamut warning. Lightroom 2.5, eh? ]'-)


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RE: Compatibility of Ricoh and Chinon K mounts??

2008-11-03 Thread JC OConnell
What's a Ricoh P lens? Their version of the A lenses?

JC O'Connell
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Ricoh P lenses are not safe to mount on Pentax AF bodies as the P
indicator pin is located in the same spot as the AF drive  and can
easily jam the lens on the mount. You can modify the lens to be safe by
removing the P pin.

Chinon's are safe and fully compatible

-Adam

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:23 PM, JC OConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any experts out there know of any compatibility
 Issues with using Ricoh and Chinon K mount lenses
 On all PENTAX K mount bodies, SLR/DSLR?

 I seem to remember some problems mentioned years
 Ago but forgot. Worst case would be lenses getting
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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Nov 3, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


... Of course, you have to be alert with all low-margin mail-order
companies, especially NY/NJ-based, including BH. And the typical  
somewhat

rough manner of the customer service-client relation typical to NYC
appears rude to people living, say, in MidWest. ...


I would not include BH Photo in the same class with BuyDig and other  
low-margin mail-order companies.


BH Photo is a huge operation, with a massive brick and mortar store  
and several enormous warehouses, probably a couple billion dollars in  
business annually. I've been doing business with them for 20+ years,  
to the tune of several to tens of thousands of dollars a year, and  
there has *never* been a case when a problem of any kind was not  
professionally and effectively handled, in a timely manner.


They are the premier professional photographic retailer in the United  
States, and possibly the world. They may be gruff on the phone but,  
hey, I grew up in New York too.


So waddaya want? Pleasantries? Dis is biz'ness.   ]:-)

Godfrey

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Re: OT, so far OT you'd need a Bigma...

2008-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling

Bob, that's just too much information.

Bob W wrote:
No, but I can fart in G-minor if that helps. 

  

Does anybody have a bugle they'd care to sell?

Email me off list.

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RE: Compatibility of Ricoh and Chinon K mounts??

2008-11-03 Thread JC OConnell
So the Ricoh P lense act like K/M lenses on pentax bodies if
You do the mod right?

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Essentially, although the P lenses lack the A electrical contacts. All P
lenses are labelled with a green P on the nameplate, ie a '50mm f2 P'

-Adam

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:44 PM, JC OConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's a Ricoh P lens? Their version of the A lenses?

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 Ricoh P lenses are not safe to mount on Pentax AF bodies as the P 
 indicator pin is located in the same spot as the AF drive  and can 
 easily jam the lens on the mount. You can modify the lens to be safe 
 by removing the P pin.

 Chinon's are safe and fully compatible

 -Adam

 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:23 PM, JC OConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any experts out there know of any compatibility
 Issues with using Ricoh and Chinon K mount lenses
 On all PENTAX K mount bodies, SLR/DSLR?

 I seem to remember some problems mentioned years
 Ago but forgot. Worst case would be lenses getting
 Stuck on or damaging the K mount Pentax bodies.

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread jtainter
I agree, through personal experience, that Adorama can be be slick and 
deceptive.

Adorama is typically the first company to list new Pentax gear, long before it 
is available and before the competition lists new stuff. Then they have been 
among the last actually to offer that gear for sale. I think this is a bit 
deceptive on their part.

Other than this practice, I suspect that they are mostly just inept. If you 
call to ask about something, the person who answers just reads from a computer 
script. The customer service reps don't actually know anything. My favorite is 
that they will say that an item is backordered--this for a new item that they 
have not yet gotten their first shipment of. How difficult can it be to 
generate a different computer message for gear that they haven't yet gotten?

I have ordered several new items when Adorama listed the gear on their web 
site, sometimes months before actual availability. The final straw came with 
the K10D. I ordered it from them months in advance, then watched in frustration 
as nearly everyone else on this list who ordered from other places got theirs. 
I called Adorama, but was told (as usual) It's backordered. I pointed out 
that it couldn't be backordered; it was a new item. The rep acknowledged this. 
I then told this person that seemingly every other camera store in the country 
had it. Why didn't they? She told me she would look into it. Guess what? My 
K10D shipped that day. I think it had been in their warehouse, but the right 
hand (sales) and the left hand (warehouse) were not communicating. This is why 
I say that Adorama is more inept than deceptive.

I think Adorama is honest and I still order from them. But I now order 
newly-released stuff elsewhere.

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Re: Compatibility of Ricoh and Chinon K mounts??

2008-11-03 Thread Adam Maas
Yes, they're straight K mount lenses apart from the P pin.

-Adam

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:19 PM, JC OConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So the Ricoh P lense act like K/M lenses on pentax bodies if
 You do the mod right?

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 Subject: Re: Compatibility of Ricoh and Chinon K mounts??


 Essentially, although the P lenses lack the A electrical contacts. All P
 lenses are labelled with a green P on the nameplate, ie a '50mm f2 P'

 -Adam

 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:44 PM, JC OConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's a Ricoh P lens? Their version of the A lenses?

 JC O'Connell
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 Subject: Re: Compatibility of Ricoh and Chinon K mounts??


 Ricoh P lenses are not safe to mount on Pentax AF bodies as the P
 indicator pin is located in the same spot as the AF drive  and can
 easily jam the lens on the mount. You can modify the lens to be safe
 by removing the P pin.

 Chinon's are safe and fully compatible

 -Adam

 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:23 PM, JC OConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any experts out there know of any compatibility
 Issues with using Ricoh and Chinon K mount lenses
 On all PENTAX K mount bodies, SLR/DSLR?

 I seem to remember some problems mentioned years
 Ago but forgot. Worst case would be lenses getting
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Re: PESO - The Duke Rocks (1)

2008-11-03 Thread Brian Walters
Excellent composition - looks like he's on the top of a wave.

I just wonder - why this statue at Freshwater?  I'm not all that well
informed regarding surfing, but did Duke Paoa Kahanamoku have some
association with Australian surfing? Why not a statue of Midget
Farrelly?

:-)


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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:48:35 +1100, Anthony Farr
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 Just getting around to populating my flickr page, so I thought I'd share:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2999473214/in/photostream/
 
 Comment if you like, or even if you don't.
 
 Regards, Anthony
 
 
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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
Joe,
I think you may well be right about Adorama being inept and/or disorganized. I 
received an AF540 flash some time back that would not zoom. I called Adorama 
who immediatley emailed me a UPS lable which I promptly used to send it back. 
After a quiet period, I contacted them and learned that they couldn't locate 
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later, I received a call that they were sending me a new flash. It arrived 
about five days later. Used it and an AF360 as recently as today.

Jack


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: K30D
 To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:33 PM
 I agree, through personal experience, that Adorama can
 be be slick and deceptive.
 
 Adorama is typically the first company to list new Pentax
 gear, long before it is available and before the competition
 lists new stuff. Then they have been among the last actually
 to offer that gear for sale. I think this is a bit deceptive
 on their part.
 
 Other than this practice, I suspect that they are mostly
 just inept. If you call to ask about something, the person
 who answers just reads from a computer script. The customer
 service reps don't actually know anything. My favorite
 is that they will say that an item is backordered--this for
 a new item that they have not yet gotten their first
 shipment of. How difficult can it be to generate a different
 computer message for gear that they haven't yet gotten?
 
 I have ordered several new items when Adorama listed the
 gear on their web site, sometimes months before actual
 availability. The final straw came with the K10D. I ordered
 it from them months in advance, then watched in frustration
 as nearly everyone else on this list who ordered from other
 places got theirs. I called Adorama, but was told (as usual)
 It's backordered. I pointed out that it
 couldn't be backordered; it was a new item. The rep
 acknowledged this. I then told this person that seemingly
 every other camera store in the country had it. Why
 didn't they? She told me she would look into it. Guess
 what? My K10D shipped that day. I think it had been in their
 warehouse, but the right hand (sales) and the left hand
 (warehouse) were not communicating. This is why I say that
 Adorama is more inept than deceptive.
 
 I think Adorama is honest and I still order from them. But
 I now order newly-released stuff elsewhere.
 
 Joe
 
 
 
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OT PESO - Sunrise over Downtown Toronto

2008-11-03 Thread Adam Maas
Missed the clock change yesterday so I was at work an hour early when
the sun came up instead of stuck on the bus.

http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/2999158677/

Larger/Direct link:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2999158677_0983a62880_o.jpg

D300/16-85VR

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Re: PESO: a forest

2008-11-03 Thread Brian Walters

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:46:07 -0500, frank theriault
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 On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I spotted a single green tree in a forest. The shot didn't look like a
  keeper while chimping so I tried some vertical panning with SR off:
 
  http://www.repiuk.nl/peso
 
 
 Cool!
 
 cheers,
 frank
 



Very Cool!!


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Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph McAllister


On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:41 , Ken Waller wrote:

- Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Subject: Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG



From: Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2008/11/03 Mon AM 07:39:02 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG
On Nov 2, 2008, at 23:19 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 On Nov 2, 2008, at 10:51 PM, Cotty wrote:



 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/165-dentist.jpg
 Dentist - Sunnyvale 2008

 Nice work! Clearly you've got the drill down for this stuff!

 Simply numbing !

 A crowning achievement.

 Well, we can put a cap on it now.
You'll gum it up sooner or later.

Pull the other one.  It's got roots on it.


You ought to get a plaque for that one


Not much margin for error in that bite!

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Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG

2008-11-03 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:41 , Ken Waller wrote:

 - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG


 From: Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/11/03 Mon AM 07:39:02 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PESO 2008 - 165 - GDG
 On Nov 2, 2008, at 23:19 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
  On Nov 2, 2008, at 10:51 PM, Cotty wrote:
 
 
 
  http://homepage.mac.com/godders/165-dentist.jpg
  Dentist - Sunnyvale 2008
 
  Nice work! Clearly you've got the drill down for this stuff!
 
  Simply numbing !
 
  A crowning achievement.
 
  Well, we can put a cap on it now.
 You'll gum it up sooner or later.

 Pull the other one.  It's got roots on it.

 You ought to get a plaque for that one

 Not much margin for error in that bite!

Thats because it was drilled into us.

Dave

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Igor Roshchin


Godfrey, 

I fully agree with you.
Still, nothing contradicts the statement that they are a mail-order
company, and in this business their price margin is relatively low.
(Compare it to that of Dell, Circuit City, etc.)
Actually, I am not know if their NYC store (which I've seen many times
from outside, but never had time to walk in, even when I lived in
Manhattan) has the same prices as the mail order or their are higher.

Your last paragraph is a great description of what I was trying
to express earlier.
:-)

Cheers,

Igor


Mon Nov 3 16:01:30 EST 2008
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I would not include BH Photo in the same class with BuyDig and other  
low-margin mail-order companies.

BH Photo is a huge operation, with a massive brick and mortar store  
and several enormous warehouses, probably a couple billion dollars in  
business annually. I've been doing business with them for 20+ years,  
to the tune of several to tens of thousands of dollars a year, and  
there has *never* been a case when a problem of any kind was not  
professionally and effectively handled, in a timely manner.

They are the premier professional photographic retailer in the United  
States, and possibly the world. They may be gruff on the phone but,  
hey, I grew up in New York too.

So waddaya want? Pleasantries? Dis is biz'ness.   ]:-)

Godfrey


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Re: OT PESO - Sunrise over Downtown Toronto

2008-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
Hmmm..very nice, Adam. Even cool.

Jack


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:49 PM
 Missed the clock change yesterday so I was at work an hour
 early when
 the sun came up instead of stuck on the bus.
 
 http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/2999158677/
 
 Larger/Direct link:
 
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2999158677_0983a62880_o.jpg
 
 D300/16-85VR
 
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Re: OT PESO - Sunrise over Downtown Toronto

2008-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Missed the clock change yesterday so I was at work an hour early when
 the sun came up instead of stuck on the bus.

 http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/2999158677/

 Larger/Direct link:

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2999158677_0983a62880_o.jpg

Quite lovely!

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Re: K30D

2008-11-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Prices in the store are exactly the same as what is shown on the  
website, but you pay NYC sales tax. Sometimes they have store-only  
specials too.


The reference you made was to low-margin mail-order companies, not  
mail order companies, which implies companies that are basically box  
handlers with maybe a warehouse and little else, no service  
organization etc. BH Photo is a big operation, not a low-margin mail- 
order company at all, with customer service, training classes,  
support services, brick'n'mortar store, etc. They have competitive  
pricing, for sure ... they like to do biz'ness, eh?


I'm sorry my New York manner offends your delicate sensibilities.

G

On Nov 3, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


I fully agree with you.
Still, nothing contradicts the statement that they are a mail-order
company, and in this business their price margin is relatively low.
(Compare it to that of Dell, Circuit City, etc.)
Actually, I am not know if their NYC store (which I've seen many times
from outside, but never had time to walk in, even when I lived in
Manhattan) has the same prices as the mail order or their are higher.

Your last paragraph is a great description of what I was trying
to express earlier.
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RE: GESO: San Francisco

2008-11-03 Thread John Sessoms

From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Just put up the gallery from my San Francisco trip a month ago. Sorry,
it's all Nikon gear except for the crappy waterproof Oly I use for
kayaking.  :) 


http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p249448256/


I like #5. It makes that tree look like it's wearing one of those 
rainbow clown wigs.


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RE: F1 season end...(spoiler)

2008-11-03 Thread Bob W
Here she is on her way to winning the London Marathon a few years ago. This is
round about the 5 mile mark where it passes close to my house.
http://www.web-options.com/68010029.jpg

She's run 10 marathons and failed to win only 2 of them - both at the Olympics.
An incredible athlete.

Bob 

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 Subject: Re: F1 season end...(spoiler)
 
 By the way everyone - Paula Radcliffe won the New York City 
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