Re: PESO 2009 - 043, 044 - GDG

[Bruce Dayton]

My feelings as well - the first is ok, but the second is great!

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Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:36:22 PM, you wrote:

JK> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:37:51 -0700
>> Some color ...
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/godders/043-connections.jpg
>> "Connections" - Sunnyvale 2009
>> Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4
>> ISO 200 @ f/2 @ 1/320 sec
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/godders/044-raw.jpg
>> "Raw" - San Francisco 2009
>> Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4
>> ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/800 sec

JK> The first image is an interesting concept but it doesn't ring my bell
JK> like the second one
JK> does.  I LOVE the second image - the balance of the contrasting colors
JK> is just great,
JK> and the bicycle unifies the composition.  A a prizewinner IMO - great
JK> work, Godfrey.

JK> Regards, Jim


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OT: Stand by me (around the world)

[Derby Chang]

Whoathis list...I need a unicorn chaser.

It has been up for a while, but it still brings a smile to me every time 
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Re: Arg, one more LR ??

[Rick Womer]

And that is why I don't update LR unless there is a bug that's buggin' me, or a 
feature I particularly want.

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--- On Fri, 4/3/09, David J Brooks  wrote:

> About a week ago, i upgraded to LR 2.3. Mac laptop OS 10
> 
> All went well.
> 
> However since doing so, when ever i import files via click
> and drag,
> LR opens funny.
> 
> I get the import window, and when i start typing in
> keywords, the
> spinning ball of hell start, the window shuts down, LR
> starts and then
> blam, black screen with a photo.
> 
> Today, one of the 10 pictures showed up, on a completly
> black screen.
> no LR window etc.
> Clicking on the screen in various places near the out side
> edges got
> me the menu, but still only 1 photo, no menus.
> 
> I must have clicked on something correctly and got the lr
> window, but
> when i clicked on crop, i got a crazy crop window with 45
> degree lines
> in the window.,
> 
> Perplexed
> 
> Dave
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Re: Arg, one more LR ??

[David Savage]

Actually the latest version fixed a problem where LR would hog RAM.

It's running much better now.

DS

2009/4/4 Rick Womer :
>
> And that is why I don't update LR unless there is a bug that's buggin' me, or 
> a feature I particularly want.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, David J Brooks  wrote:
>
>> About a week ago, i upgraded to LR 2.3. Mac laptop OS 10
>>
>> All went well.
>>
>> However since doing so, when ever i import files via click
>> and drag,
>> LR opens funny.
>>
>> I get the import window, and when i start typing in
>> keywords, the
>> spinning ball of hell start, the window shuts down, LR
>> starts and then
>> blam, black screen with a photo.
>>
>> Today, one of the 10 pictures showed up, on a completly
>> black screen.
>> no LR window etc.
>> Clicking on the screen in various places near the out side
>> edges got
>> me the menu, but still only 1 photo, no menus.
>>
>> I must have clicked on something correctly and got the lr
>> window, but
>> when i clicked on crop, i got a crazy crop window with 45
>> degree lines
>> in the window.,
>>
>> Perplexed

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RE: RAW software

[Bob W]

> 
> > copradormition
> 
> 
> No hits in Webster's, Wikipedia or Google.
> 
> Def. please.  (We can guess, but need to know for future reference)
> 
> 

Sleeping in shit.

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Pentax in Italy

[Bong Manayon]

A friend is traveling through the Med; he already has a K200D and
plans to pick up some stuff along the way.  Where in Italy should I
point him to?  Any reputable shops?

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Re: Pentax in Italy

[Dario Bonazza]

Hi Bong,

I'm afraid this is not a good time to buy Pentax equipment in Italy, since 
Pentax Italia is out of photo business and Fowa (the new importer) is just 
taking off (stated since April 2). I'm aware of a few reputable stores in 
Milan and Bologna, but they could well be short of stuff, as they had a very 
low stock of Pentax equipment when things were going smooth. Go figure now.
However, I'm confident that Fowa is capable to do a great job and Pentax 
equipment will be much more available in the near future.

Tell your friend to take a look here:
http://www.pentaxitalia.it/index.php?id=562&lang=it

And then look at Ricerca Rivenditore (Dealer Search) section.
Under the "Pentax Pro Centre" heading, you'll find a selection of dealers.
I've just tried and it doesn't work :-(
Let's hope they will fix it soon.

Dario

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Re: Pentax in Italy

[Bong Manayon]

Thanks, Dario, will pass that information on.

Bong

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Dario Bonazza  wrote:
> Hi Bong,
>
> I'm afraid this is not a good time to buy Pentax equipment in Italy, since
> Pentax Italia is out of photo business and Fowa (the new importer) is just
> taking off (stated since April 2). I'm aware of a few reputable stores in
> Milan and Bologna, but they could well be short of stuff, as they had a very
> low stock of Pentax equipment when things were going smooth. Go figure now.
> However, I'm confident that Fowa is capable to do a great job and Pentax
> equipment will be much more available in the near future.
> Tell your friend to take a look here:
> http://www.pentaxitalia.it/index.php?id=562&lang=it
>
> And then look at Ricerca Rivenditore (Dealer Search) section.
> Under the "Pentax Pro Centre" heading, you'll find a selection of dealers.
> I've just tried and it doesn't work :-(
> Let's hope they will fix it soon.
>
> Dario
>
> - Original Message - From: "Bong Manayon" 
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> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:55 AM
> Subject: Pentax in Italy
>
>
>> A friend is traveling through the Med; he already has a K200D and
>> plans to pick up some stuff along the way.  Where in Italy should I
>> point him to?  Any reputable shops?
>>
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Re: PESO - North Wind

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:28 -0400, "frank theriault"
 wrote:
> Scroll down and click on the photo to see today's offering:
> 
> http://knarf-underground.blogspot.com/2009/04/cool-north-wind.html
> 
> Spring is here but when the north wind blows down Yonge Street one
> still has to turn one's collar up...
> 


Yes, that looks chilly.  I'm shivering just looking...

Well seen and nicely rendered.



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Re: Peso water the grass

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:06 -0400, "David J Brooks" 
wrote:
> Thursday was, b-e-a utiful. Plus 14 C and lots of sun.
> The weather channel called for a bit of rain today, so i decided
> Thursday would be a good day to lay down some grass seed, have it get
> some moisture and get a good start to hide all the bare spots.


Well, speaking from personal experience, it's possible to learn to love
bare spots.


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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3409895891/
> 
> Now i just have to figure out what neighbour has my seed.
> 
> K10D DAF 50-2.8 LR2 when i got it to work correctly
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Re: PESO: Building H

[Brian Walters]

Looks like an interesting old building with lots of photographic
possibilities.  This photo looks a bit flat to me and the washed out sky
doesn't help.  Perhaps early morning/late afternoon might be worth
investigating - would liven up some of that brickwork.


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On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:01 -0500, "Nick Wright"
 wrote:
> Here's one from tonight's ride around town.
> 
> http://www.nickdavidwright.com/2009/04/building-h.html
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Re: Peso water the grass

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:06 -0400, "David J Brooks" 
> wrote:
>> Thursday was, b-e-a utiful. Plus 14 C and lots of sun.
>> The weather channel called for a bit of rain today, so i decided
>> Thursday would be a good day to lay down some grass seed, have it get
>> some moisture and get a good start to hide all the bare spots.
>
>
> Well, speaking from personal experience, it's possible to learn to love
> bare spots.

NEVER.:-)

Dave
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
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>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3409895891/
>>
>> Now i just have to figure out what neighbour has my seed.
>>
>> K10D DAF 50-2.8 LR2 when i got it to work correctly
>>
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Re: Peso water the grass

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:31 PM,   wrote:
> In a message dated 4/3/2009 5:06:45 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,
> pentko...@gmail.com writes:
> Thursday was, b-e-a utiful. Plus  14 C and lots of sun.
> The weather channel called for a bit of rain today, so  i decided
> Thursday would be a good day to lay down some grass seed, have it  get
> some moisture and get a good start to hide all the bare  spots.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3409895891/
>
> Now i  just have to figure out what neighbour has my seed.
>
> K10D DAF 50-2.8 LR2  when i got it to work correctly
>
> Dave
>
> ==
> Oh, my  goodness. Heh. Have you got a lot of yard work to do.

I do now.:-)

Spring thaw, frost leaving ground and then two rain days like this,
with a lot of low spots results in this.,
When the soil dries up, we don't get the pooling.. This time of year,
there is no place for it to drain.

On the other hand, maybe the leaves have moved around. I'll see if i
can get any more back yard leaf shots.:-)


Dave
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> Marnie  :-)
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Re: Arg, one more LR ??

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> Oh Oh!
>
> Did you RTFM?

If i had one i would Joseph.


>
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 16:53 , David J Brooks wrote:
>
>> About a week ago, i upgraded to LR 2.3. Mac laptop OS 10
>>
>> All went well.
>>
>> However since doing so, when ever i import files via click and drag,
>> LR opens funny.
>
> So don't do that again.
>>
>> I get the import window, and when i start typing in keywords, the
>> spinning ball of hell start,
>
> That's known as the Beach Ball from Hell, thank you.

Sorry, its my first day.

>
>> the window shuts down, LR starts and then
>> blam, black screen with a photo.
>
> Sounds like a full screen presentation has been selected. Find out what the
> key command for that is and reverse it.

Hum, could be right there. I 'll check.


>>
>> Today, one of the 10 pictures showed up, on a completly black screen.
>> no LR window etc.
>> Clicking on the screen in various places near the out side edges got
>> me the menu, but still only 1 photo, no menus.
>>
>> I must have clicked on something correctly and got the lr window, but
>> when i clicked on crop, i got a crazy crop window with 45 degree lines
>> in the window.,
>
> Horizon correction window?
>>
>> Perplexed
>
> Me too.

The crop window. It used to be a grid, now it has lines at 45 degrees,
but i found out what that problem was.
It opens fine, juts when i import. When i try and type in key words in
the import dialogue window, LR starts and the screwed up screen
starts.

I'll keep trying.

Would reinstalling version 2. help.??

Dave
>
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> This thing that you see,
> Why in the world,
> Would it excite me?
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Re: The Sentinels

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:01 -0400, "Dan Matyola" 
wrote:
> I found these two standing guard near the US Capitol on a foggy morning 
> in March:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8778960
> 


That's a nice grab of a couple of very cooperative birds but I don't
think the image works.  It's very noisy and there are some dust spots
visible.  It looks best at small scale where the noise is less
noticeable.



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Re: LR sizing question

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, David Savage  wrote:
> 2009/4/4 David J Brooks :
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Matthew Hunt  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, William Robb  wrote:
>>>
 Thats actually a very good question.
 How does Lightroom do with resizing keywords?
>>>
>>> Just fine.  To pick an example appropriate for David, if you have the
>>> keyword "horse" and downsize the image, the keyword changes to "pony".
>>>  Simiarly, if you convert it to black and white, it becomes "zebra".
>>
>> Oh Oh. Its a shot of a mountain.
>
> I'm a bit confused, was it originally a shot of a mountain or a mole hill?

Sorry, mole hill.

I tried upsizing in LR and PS, and to me the LR version looks a bit
nicer. I'll have the lab print that one out and see.
Its only $6.99 to try it. If it looks like hell, i can then print out
the PS one, and only be out $6.99.

No wonder i don't make any money.:-)

Dave
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Re: Pentax at GFM

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:29 PM, David Savage  wrote:
> 2009/4/4 frank theriault :
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Cotty  wrote:
>>
>>> I'll give you that ten bucks next time.
>>
>> Will that be in Canadian or US funds?
>
> There are deer on the mountain...

Turkeys as well.

Dave
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Re: PESO and GESO, K100Ds performance

[David J Brooks]

Nice shots Larry.

I agree with you, that second sax shot is very good.

Dave

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> When I left work yesterday, I stopped to shoot a field that has been
> catching my eye for a couple of years:
>
> I think that this may be the best of the lot:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3408989436
>
> Also, Nick was concerned about the low light performance of the
> K100. This set was shot at between ISO 200 and 400. It wasn't horribly
> dark, but it was by no means ideal lighting for action shots.
> The biggest problem was that the two spots on the band both had yellow
> gels, making color balance a bit of a challenge.
>
> Most of these were shot with the FA 50/1.4, some may have been shot
> with the FA77. I certainly missed the high iso performance, the larger
> buffer, and the second dial for iso of the K20. As an aside, if I had
> waited a couple more weeks, Amazon now has the K20 for $670.
>
> I think that the two best shots were both of Irv on the sax:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3409027558/in/set-72157616200776255/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3408211857/in/set-72157616200776255/
>
> The whole set is at:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157616200776255/
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Re: PESO: Bird of Paradise

[David J Brooks]

Very nice. I like the back ground, good use of the leaves.

Dave

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Dan Matyola  wrote:
> From the National Botanical Garden:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8779007
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Re: PESO: Bird of Paradise

[David J Brooks]

Do they let you take a tripod into places like this,??

Dave

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:32 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Very nice. I like the back ground, good use of the leaves.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Dan Matyola  wrote:
>> From the National Botanical Garden:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8779007
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Re: PP question, sharp and unsharp.

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
>
>>> One thing that I haven't been able to find yet is a good description
>>> of the mechanism of sharpening, unsharp mask and what all the
>>>
>>> various
>>>
>>> knobs, dials and variables do.
>>>
>>
>> in general, your PP shouldn't be sharp.
>>
>
> If it is, urine trouble.
>
 Do all threads eventually go down the toilet like this one? ;;)

>>> Seems to be that way. They get to a point where I just flush them.
>>>
>> Sewer back to toilet humor?
>
>
> It's a bit potty, I agree.

Time to put the lid down on this one.

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Re: OT: Stand by me (around the world)

[Doug Brewer]

Derby Chang wrote:


Whoathis list...I need a unicorn chaser.


sorry, unicorn chasers are down the hall.

this is arguments.


(cool vid, by the way.)

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Re: PESO - Hurley's Sky

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G'day all
>

> Here's one that I came across late on the last day.  I know sunsets are
> cliché but this one was quite spectacular (I almost expected to see
> choirs of angels descending)
>
> http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/132346/Hurley039s_Sky.html
>
>

Very dramatic. Nice.

Dave

> Cheers
>
> Brian

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Re: PESO - tulip dance

[David J Brooks]

Well lit Doug.

Dave

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> Having some rendering fun.
>
> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1073
>
> enjoy
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Re: Arg, one more LR ??

[Cotty]

On 3/4/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>when i clicked on crop, i got a crazy crop window with 45 degree lines
>in the window.,

It was Earth calling Dave, Earth calling Dave ;-)

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Re: Arg, one more LR ??

[Cotty]

On 3/4/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>All went well.
>
>However since doing so, when ever i import files via click and drag,
>LR opens funny.
>
>I get the import window, and when i start typing in keywords, the
>spinning ball of hell start, the window shuts down, LR starts and then
>blam, black screen with a photo.
>
>Today, one of the 10 pictures showed up, on a completly black screen.
>no LR window etc.
>Clicking on the screen in various places near the out side edges got
>me the menu, but still only 1 photo, no menus.
>
>I must have clicked on something correctly and got the lr window, but
>when i clicked on crop, i got a crazy crop window with 45 degree lines
>in the window.,
>
>Perplexed

As a matter of interest, when was the last time you repaired Disk Permissions?

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Re: Arg, one more LR ??

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Cotty  wrote:
> On 3/4/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>All went well.
>>
>>However since doing so, when ever i import files via click and drag,
>>LR opens funny.
>>
>>I get the import window, and when i start typing in keywords, the
>>spinning ball of hell start, the window shuts down, LR starts and then
>>blam, black screen with a photo.
>>
>>Today, one of the 10 pictures showed up, on a completly black screen.
>>no LR window etc.
>>Clicking on the screen in various places near the out side edges got
>>me the menu, but still only 1 photo, no menus.
>>
>>I must have clicked on something correctly and got the lr window, but
>>when i clicked on crop, i got a crazy crop window with 45 degree lines
>>in the window.,
>>
>>Perplexed
>
> As a matter of interest, when was the last time you repaired Disk Permissions?

Don't know. I';ll do that.

Dave
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Re: Peso water the grass

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Walters" 
Subject: Re: Peso water the grass




On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:06 -0400, "David J Brooks" 
wrote:

Thursday was, b-e-a utiful. Plus 14 C and lots of sun.
The weather channel called for a bit of rain today, so i decided
Thursday would be a good day to lay down some grass seed, have it get
some moisture and get a good start to hide all the bare spots.



Well, speaking from personal experience, it's possible to learn to love
bare spots.



I had a great lawn and then I decided that I wanted Rottweilers.
I had no idea that a person culd have one or the other, but not both.

William Robb

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Re: RAW software

[Bob Sullivan]

Joe,
You had to use the wayback machine to get that one.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 20:11 , William Robb wrote:
>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Joseph McAllister" Subject: Re: RAW
>> software
>>
>>
>>> Oh. Sorry. That's "Shuffle off to Buffalo"
>>> Never Mind...
>>
>> I am totally clueless.
>>
>> William Robb
>
>
> A song from the 1933 Broadway play "42nd Street".
>
> Bert:
> Now that we have had the rice and flowers,
> The knot is tied;
>
> Annie:
> I can visu'lize such happy hours,
> Close by your side.
> The honeymoon in store
> Is one that you'll adore,
> I'm gonna take you for a ride.
>
> Annie, Bert, Maggie and Girls:
> I'll (You'll) go home and get my panties,
> You (I'll) go home and get your scanties,
> And away we'll go.
> Mm mm mm...
> Off we're gonna shuffle,
> Shuffle off to Buffalo.
>
> To Niag'ra in a sleeper,
> There's no honeymoon that's cheaper,
> And the train goes slow.
> Ooh ooh ooh!
> Off, we're gonna shuffle,
> Shuffle off to Buffalo.
>
> Someday, the stork may pay a visit
> And leave a little souvenir.
> Just a little cute "what is it,"
> But we'll discuss that later, dear.
>
> For a little silver quarter,
> We can have the pull man porter
> Turn the lights down low.
> Ooh!
> Off we're gonna shuffle,
> Shuffle off to Buffalo.
>
> You'll go home and get your purses,
> I'll go get my niece and nurses,
> And away we'll go.
> Mm mm mm...
> Off we're gonna shuffle,
> Shuffle off to Buffalo.
>
> Joseph McAllister
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> http://gallery.me.com/jomac
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WTF?

[William Robb]

In response to this question:

"I was informed that the camera is a little bit under-exposed, but I want to
know how much. That is, if I set the EV compensation, but how much (1/3?
1/2?) should I set so that I can get normal exposure?"

This answer was given:

"Well, regarding the exposure problem, let's say it's related to the lens
used.
For f/3.5-5.6 lens, exposure will be quite good.
But with fast lenses, you'll have a variable amount of underexposure...
- f/1.4 needs about +1 1/2ev
- f/2.8 needs about +1ev

and so on...

This is due to the fact that the focus screen does not respond in a linear
way to the aperture of the lens...
You should have a direct relation between shutter speed and aperture (i.e.
going from f/1.4 to f/2 should halve the shutter speed, going from say
1/1000 to 1/500).
But with the original k20 focus screen, this relation is not respected
(going from f/1.4 to f/2 won't halve the speed).

Note : I'm talking about using actual, stop-down apertures.

For A lenses, the exposure is mesured wide-open, then calculated for the
given aperture you want to use, so selecting f/2 will always gives half the
speed of f/1.4.
BUT the wide-open reading will be underexposed by the 1 1/2ev mentionned
above, so the lens will always underexpose, whatever aperture you're using.

Using an old lens (with aperture blades actually moving when you select an
aperture on the lens), you'll see that closing one stop won't halve the
speed.

You can lessen this behavior by using a LL60 screen (from the *ist line).
They are fully compatible with the k10/k20, and lessen the discrepancies to
the point where you won't really need to compensate the exposure anymore."



I'm not seeing where the answer could possibly be correct, but I thought I'd
post the whole thing here, hoping to generate some discussion.
This comes from that forum thang, where I managed to get a 2 point demerit 
yesterday for telling a guy to fuck off.

Godders, I must just have been having a shitty day yesterday...

William Robb



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More RAW software

[Nick Wright]

Okay, so I'm disappointed. It used to be that my program CDFinder
would catalog the captions and keywords in an iPhoto library. Turns
out that's not the case anymore.

But I finally got a chance to download Photoshop Elements 6 for the
Mac (whew, 1.5 gigs!), and I am impressed. I didn't know that Elements
came with Bridge now, that's great. And the RAW conversions look
excellent. There is as little noise at 3200 iso as the iPhoto
conversions, but the Elements images look slightly sharper (PS- Larry,
I'm basing my.noise evaluations with the NR features of these programs
at their default settings which is usually off).

And, of course, Elements saves captions and keywords into IPTC. Which
means that wire services can read them, and that CDFinder will catalog
them for me as well.

I guess I'll be ponying up some cash for elements in the near future.

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Re: PESO - Hurley's Sky

[David Savage]

Nice one mate.

A scene like that is always a nice way to end a day.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/3 Brian Walters :
> G'day all
>
> I had a few days away with some friends last week - a bit of relaxing;
> some wine was drunk.
>
> We stayed in one of the old keeper's cottages at Norah Head lighthouse.
> A great location with plenty of opportunity to go photographing.
>
> Here's one that I came across late on the last day.  I know sunsets are
> cliché but this one was quite spectacular (I almost expected to see
> choirs of angels descending)
>
> http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/132346/Hurley039s_Sky.html
>
>
> And if anyone's wondering about the title
>
> The late Frank Hurley often used to add dramatic looking skies (just
> like this one) to his images to give them a bit more visual impact. It
> sometimes got him into trouble with purists and historians, but I'm sure
> he would have loved Photoshop if he'd been around to use it!

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Re: PESO - Hurley's Sky

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent photo. A beautiful picture is never a cliche, regardless of  
how many of its kind may exist.

Paul
On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:13 AM, David Savage wrote:


Nice one mate.

A scene like that is always a nice way to end a day.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/3 Brian Walters :

G'day all

I had a few days away with some friends last week - a bit of  
relaxing;

some wine was drunk.

We stayed in one of the old keeper's cottages at Norah Head  
lighthouse.

A great location with plenty of opportunity to go photographing.

Here's one that I came across late on the last day.  I know sunsets  
are

cliché but this one was quite spectacular (I almost expected to see
choirs of angels descending)

http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/132346/Hurley039s_Sky.html


And if anyone's wondering about the title

The late Frank Hurley often used to add dramatic looking skies (just
like this one) to his images to give them a bit more visual impact.  
It
sometimes got him into trouble with purists and historians, but I'm  
sure

he would have loved Photoshop if he'd been around to use it!


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Re: WTF?

[David J Brooks]

Only 2.

Dave

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:01 AM, William Robb  wrote:
> In response to this question:
>
> "I was informed that the camera is a little bit under-exposed, but I want to
> know how much. That is, if I set the EV compensation, but how much (1/3?
> 1/2?) should I set so that I can get normal exposure?"
>
> This answer was given:
>
> "Well, regarding the exposure problem, let's say it's related to the lens
> used.
> For f/3.5-5.6 lens, exposure will be quite good.
> But with fast lenses, you'll have a variable amount of underexposure...
> - f/1.4 needs about +1 1/2ev
> - f/2.8 needs about +1ev
>
> and so on...
>
> This is due to the fact that the focus screen does not respond in a linear
> way to the aperture of the lens...
> You should have a direct relation between shutter speed and aperture (i.e.
> going from f/1.4 to f/2 should halve the shutter speed, going from say
> 1/1000 to 1/500).
> But with the original k20 focus screen, this relation is not respected
> (going from f/1.4 to f/2 won't halve the speed).
>
> Note : I'm talking about using actual, stop-down apertures.
>
> For A lenses, the exposure is mesured wide-open, then calculated for the
> given aperture you want to use, so selecting f/2 will always gives half the
> speed of f/1.4.
> BUT the wide-open reading will be underexposed by the 1 1/2ev mentionned
> above, so the lens will always underexpose, whatever aperture you're using.
>
> Using an old lens (with aperture blades actually moving when you select an
> aperture on the lens), you'll see that closing one stop won't halve the
> speed.
>
> You can lessen this behavior by using a LL60 screen (from the *ist line).
> They are fully compatible with the k10/k20, and lessen the discrepancies to
> the point where you won't really need to compensate the exposure anymore."
>
> 
>
> I'm not seeing where the answer could possibly be correct, but I thought I'd
> post the whole thing here, hoping to generate some discussion.
> This comes from that forum thang, where I managed to get a 2 point demerit
> yesterday for telling a guy to fuck off.
> Godders, I must just have been having a shitty day yesterday...
>
> William Robb
>
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Re: WTF?

[Bob Sullivan]

Bill,
Well I guess that means that all our photos with those limited lenses
need some exposure compensation.  Let me go check...
Well, I just don't see that in my results.  I've got thousands of
photos on the K20D with fast lenses over the past year.  The exposures
are just fine.
I haven't looked over at the forum in question, but perhaps the poster
is not very knowledgable.
Regards, Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:01 AM, William Robb  wrote:
> In response to this question:
>
> "I was informed that the camera is a little bit under-exposed, but I want to
> know how much. That is, if I set the EV compensation, but how much (1/3?
> 1/2?) should I set so that I can get normal exposure?"
>
> This answer was given:
>
> "Well, regarding the exposure problem, let's say it's related to the lens
> used.
> For f/3.5-5.6 lens, exposure will be quite good.
> But with fast lenses, you'll have a variable amount of underexposure...
> - f/1.4 needs about +1 1/2ev
> - f/2.8 needs about +1ev
>
> and so on...
>
> This is due to the fact that the focus screen does not respond in a linear
> way to the aperture of the lens...
> You should have a direct relation between shutter speed and aperture (i.e.
> going from f/1.4 to f/2 should halve the shutter speed, going from say
> 1/1000 to 1/500).
> But with the original k20 focus screen, this relation is not respected
> (going from f/1.4 to f/2 won't halve the speed).
>
> Note : I'm talking about using actual, stop-down apertures.
>
> For A lenses, the exposure is mesured wide-open, then calculated for the
> given aperture you want to use, so selecting f/2 will always gives half the
> speed of f/1.4.
> BUT the wide-open reading will be underexposed by the 1 1/2ev mentionned
> above, so the lens will always underexpose, whatever aperture you're using.
>
> Using an old lens (with aperture blades actually moving when you select an
> aperture on the lens), you'll see that closing one stop won't halve the
> speed.
>
> You can lessen this behavior by using a LL60 screen (from the *ist line).
> They are fully compatible with the k10/k20, and lessen the discrepancies to
> the point where you won't really need to compensate the exposure anymore."
>
> 
>
> I'm not seeing where the answer could possibly be correct, but I thought I'd
> post the whole thing here, hoping to generate some discussion.
> This comes from that forum thang, where I managed to get a 2 point demerit
> yesterday for telling a guy to fuck off.
> Godders, I must just have been having a shitty day yesterday...
>
> William Robb
>
>
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RE: PESO and GESO, K100Ds performance

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen

When I left work yesterday, I stopped to shoot a field that has been
catching my eye for a couple of years:

I think that this may be the best of the lot:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3408989436


I think I can see where you're going with this; the barbs tack sharp, 
and the background out of focus, but it doesn't work for me. The OOF 
farm implement detracts from the scene. Better if the background were 
only *slightly* out of focus.



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PESO - #012, "A source of honey"

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/04/peso-2009-012.html

Methinks that at f/4 this little FA 100/3.5 macro lens did pretty 
impressive job.


Brutal and honest C&C are sought after, as usual.

Thanks in advance.

Boris

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Re: RAW software

[Joseph McAllister]

On Apr 4, 2009, at 07:37 , Bob Sullivan wrote:


Joe,
You had to use the wayback machine to get that one.
Regards,  Bob S.


Funny. The phrase almost came to me, then the corrected version. But I  
had no idea where it was from until I Googled it.


Just one of those weird synapse connections that fired in response to  
the question "What would you do with a canoe?"




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On Apr 3, 2009, at 20:11 , William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Joseph McAllister" Subject:  
Re: RAW

software



Oh. Sorry. That's "Shuffle off to Buffalo"
Never Mind...


I am totally clueless.

William Robb



A song from the 1933 Broadway play "42nd Street".

Bert:
Now that we have had the rice and flowers,
The knot is tied;

Annie:
I can visu'lize such happy hours,
Close by your side.
The honeymoon in store
Is one that you'll adore,
I'm gonna take you for a ride.

Annie, Bert, Maggie and Girls:
I'll (You'll) go home and get my panties,
You (I'll) go home and get your scanties,
And away we'll go.
Mm mm mm...
Off we're gonna shuffle,
Shuffle off to Buffalo.

To Niag'ra in a sleeper,
There's no honeymoon that's cheaper,
And the train goes slow.
Ooh ooh ooh!
Off, we're gonna shuffle,
Shuffle off to Buffalo.

Someday, the stork may pay a visit
And leave a little souvenir.
Just a little cute "what is it,"
But we'll discuss that later, dear.

For a little silver quarter,
We can have the pull man porter
Turn the lights down low.
Ooh!
Off we're gonna shuffle,
Shuffle off to Buffalo.

You'll go home and get your purses,
I'll go get my niece and nurses,
And away we'll go.
Mm mm mm...
Off we're gonna shuffle,
Shuffle off to Buffalo.



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Re: PESO - #012, "A source of honey"

[Jack Davis]

May be an exposure caused light-bloom, Boris, but the center area of the white 
blossom looks a bit soft. OTOH, the darker bit of botany to the right looks 
very sharp.

Jack


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> From: Boris Liberman 
> Subject: PESO - #012, "A source of honey"
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 9:13 AM
> Hi!
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/04/peso-2009-012.html
> 
> Methinks that at f/4 this little FA 100/3.5 macro lens did
> pretty impressive job.
> 
> Brutal and honest C&C are sought after, as usual.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Boris
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Re: RAW software

[John Sessoms]

From: "William Robb"
From: "Mark Roberts" 
Subject: Re: RAW software


>> It isn't a false analogy - you just haven't grasped it! 
> 
> Find me a person who actually wants to put petrol in a pram and you'll 
> convince me it's not a false analogy.


Is there a baby in that pram? 
Do I have a book of matches?

On this my answer depends.


Matches? We ain't got no matches!
We don't need no matches!
I don't have to show you any steenkin' matches!


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Re: PESO - #012, "A source of honey"

[Bob Sullivan]

Boris,
That's a nice shot.
I wish that I could see more detail in the yellow center.
To Jack's point, is the center in sharp focus or the ends of the pedals?
You may need to experiment with several focus points to actually tell.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
> May be an exposure caused light-bloom, Boris, but the center area of the 
> white blossom looks a bit soft. OTOH, the darker bit of botany to the right 
> looks very sharp.
>
> Jack
>
>
> --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>
>> From: Boris Liberman 
>> Subject: PESO - #012, "A source of honey"
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 9:13 AM
>> Hi!
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/04/peso-2009-012.html
>>
>> Methinks that at f/4 this little FA 100/3.5 macro lens did
>> pretty impressive job.
>>
>> Brutal and honest C&C are sought after, as usual.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Boris
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Re: PESO - North Wind

[John Sessoms]

From: frank theriault

The guy first in line looks miserable.


Yeah, he didn't look too happy.  Mostly no one is waiting for that bus.

On Sunday mornings the subway doesn't start until after 9:00 (they say
to allow them extra maintenance time, but I think it's just a remnant
from our puritan "Sunday is the Lord's Day" era).  


Now *THAT* doesn't make any sense. How could they expect anyone to get 
to church without public transportation?


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RE: PESO - North Wind

[Bob W]

> >> The guy first in line looks miserable.
> > 
> > Yeah, he didn't look too happy.  Mostly no one is waiting 
> for that bus.
> > 
> > On Sunday mornings the subway doesn't start until after 
> 9:00 (they say
> > to allow them extra maintenance time, but I think it's just 
> a remnant
> > from our puritan "Sunday is the Lord's Day" era).  
> 
> Now *THAT* doesn't make any sense. How could they expect 
> anyone to get 
> to church without public transportation?

crawl there on their knees, like good sinners.

Bob


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RE: PESO - #012, "A source of honey"

[Bob W]

> Hi!
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/04/peso-2009-012.html
> 
> Methinks that at f/4 this little FA 100/3.5 macro lens did pretty 
> impressive job.
> 
> Brutal and honest C&C are sought after, as usual.
> 

I like eucalyptus honey. I also like that picture. You have a definite eye
for that type of photography - well composed, good background, good colours.

Bob


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Re: WTF?

[Luiz Felipe]

William, that would make sense if the focus screen would change it's 
behavior as you changed the exposure mode or transmitted more light as 
you changed the aperture. I think... shitty week, here.


As I was raised believing, there is no better exposure than the stopped 
down metering just before the actual exposure of the film/ sensor. Those 
days there were some lenses that would not close their apertures 
properly, most of them cheapo samples with poor tolerances.


Issues were delays (lens still closing while the film was being exposed) 
and real aperture not equal to the ring values (either incorrect 
adjustment so the indicated 2.8 was actually closer to 2.0 and the 
difference to the lens wide open would be less than it should be, or low 
quality lenses promising fast apertures they didn't really have - so 
again the difference from the 2.8 to the real 2.0 wide open would be 
inferior to the promised but not delivered 1.7). But those issues would 
be prevented by stopped down metering just before the exposure - and 
later by real time metering from the film as in the Lx and some OM 
Olympus cameras.


Facing over or underexposure with open lens metering I would blame the 
wrong aperture as closed or the wrong assumption of the maximum aperture 
of the lens. I can't think of focusing screens with active, light level 
adjustable transmission index.


LF

William Robb escreveu:

In response to this question:

"I was informed that the camera is a little bit under-exposed, but I 
want to

know how much. That is, if I set the EV compensation, but how much (1/3?
1/2?) should I set so that I can get normal exposure?"

This answer was given:

"Well, regarding the exposure problem, let's say it's related to the lens
used.
For f/3.5-5.6 lens, exposure will be quite good.
But with fast lenses, you'll have a variable amount of underexposure...
- f/1.4 needs about +1 1/2ev
- f/2.8 needs about +1ev

and so on...

This is due to the fact that the focus screen does not respond in a linear
way to the aperture of the lens...
You should have a direct relation between shutter speed and aperture (i.e.
going from f/1.4 to f/2 should halve the shutter speed, going from say
1/1000 to 1/500).
But with the original k20 focus screen, this relation is not respected
(going from f/1.4 to f/2 won't halve the speed).

Note : I'm talking about using actual, stop-down apertures.

For A lenses, the exposure is mesured wide-open, then calculated for the
given aperture you want to use, so selecting f/2 will always gives half the
speed of f/1.4.
BUT the wide-open reading will be underexposed by the 1 1/2ev mentionned
above, so the lens will always underexpose, whatever aperture you're using.

Using an old lens (with aperture blades actually moving when you select an
aperture on the lens), you'll see that closing one stop won't halve the
speed.

You can lessen this behavior by using a LL60 screen (from the *ist line).
They are fully compatible with the k10/k20, and lessen the discrepancies to
the point where you won't really need to compensate the exposure anymore."



I'm not seeing where the answer could possibly be correct, but I thought 
I'd

post the whole thing here, hoping to generate some discussion.
This comes from that forum thang, where I managed to get a 2 point 
demerit yesterday for telling a guy to fuck off.

Godders, I must just have been having a shitty day yesterday...

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OT - Video testing

[Cotty]

Hi gang,

Just testing a flash video encoder, any volunteers?



less than a minute of dark house fire shots, just need to know if you
can see it :-)

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Re: WTF?

[Luiz Felipe]

On a second tought...

Some screens are brighter - so if you have a small underexposure at some 
point (2.8 and brighter) and you change to a screen that's just half 
that amount brighter than the original, you get a full scale adjustment 
and the problem wide open is almost solved. Price, you get a small 
overexposure at the other end.


Well, I'm rather thick today. Maybe some tequila sunrises solve that ;-)

LF

Luiz Felipe escreveu:
William, that would make sense if the focus screen would change it's 
behavior as you changed the exposure mode or transmitted more light as 
you changed the aperture. I think... shitty week, here.


As I was raised believing, there is no better exposure than the stopped 
down metering just before the actual exposure of the film/ sensor. Those 
days there were some lenses that would not close their apertures 
properly, most of them cheapo samples with poor tolerances.


Issues were delays (lens still closing while the film was being exposed) 
and real aperture not equal to the ring values (either incorrect 
adjustment so the indicated 2.8 was actually closer to 2.0 and the 
difference to the lens wide open would be less than it should be, or low 
quality lenses promising fast apertures they didn't really have - so 
again the difference from the 2.8 to the real 2.0 wide open would be 
inferior to the promised but not delivered 1.7). But those issues would 
be prevented by stopped down metering just before the exposure - and 
later by real time metering from the film as in the Lx and some OM 
Olympus cameras.


Facing over or underexposure with open lens metering I would blame the 
wrong aperture as closed or the wrong assumption of the maximum aperture 
of the lens. I can't think of focusing screens with active, light level 
adjustable transmission index.


LF

William Robb escreveu:

In response to this question:

"I was informed that the camera is a little bit under-exposed, but I 
want to

know how much. That is, if I set the EV compensation, but how much (1/3?
1/2?) should I set so that I can get normal exposure?"

This answer was given:

"Well, regarding the exposure problem, let's say it's related to the lens
used.
For f/3.5-5.6 lens, exposure will be quite good.
But with fast lenses, you'll have a variable amount of underexposure...
- f/1.4 needs about +1 1/2ev
- f/2.8 needs about +1ev

and so on...

This is due to the fact that the focus screen does not respond in a 
linear

way to the aperture of the lens...
You should have a direct relation between shutter speed and aperture 
(i.e.

going from f/1.4 to f/2 should halve the shutter speed, going from say
1/1000 to 1/500).
But with the original k20 focus screen, this relation is not respected
(going from f/1.4 to f/2 won't halve the speed).

Note : I'm talking about using actual, stop-down apertures.

For A lenses, the exposure is mesured wide-open, then calculated for the
given aperture you want to use, so selecting f/2 will always gives 
half the

speed of f/1.4.
BUT the wide-open reading will be underexposed by the 1 1/2ev mentionned
above, so the lens will always underexpose, whatever aperture you're 
using.


Using an old lens (with aperture blades actually moving when you 
select an

aperture on the lens), you'll see that closing one stop won't halve the
speed.

You can lessen this behavior by using a LL60 screen (from the *ist line).
They are fully compatible with the k10/k20, and lessen the 
discrepancies to
the point where you won't really need to compensate the exposure 
anymore."




I'm not seeing where the answer could possibly be correct, but I 
thought I'd

post the whole thing here, hoping to generate some discussion.
This comes from that forum thang, where I managed to get a 2 point 
demerit yesterday for telling a guy to fuck off.

Godders, I must just have been having a shitty day yesterday...

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RE: OT - Video testing

[Bob W]

works fine for me

Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On 
> Behalf Of Cotty
> Sent: 04 April 2009 17:52
> To: pentax list
> Subject: OT - Video testing
> 
> Hi gang,
> 
> Just testing a flash video encoder, any volunteers?
> 
> 
> 
> less than a minute of dark house fire shots, just need to know if you
> can see it :-)
> 
> ta.
> 
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Re: OT - Video testing

[Boris Liberman]

Ditto!

Boris

Bob W wrote:

works fine for me

Bob 



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Re: OT - Video testing

[David Savage]

Yep, that works.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/5 Cotty :
> Hi gang,
>
> Just testing a flash video encoder, any volunteers?
>
> 
>
> less than a minute of dark house fire shots, just need to know if you
> can see it :-)
>
> ta.

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Lightroom vs Bridge (or bridge vs lightroom if you prefer)

[John Sessoms]

Found out something about Adobe Bridge I didn't know, and wondered if 
Lightroom does the same thing. Figured I might as well stir the pot up a 
little.


I left Bridge pointing at a "removable drive" [memory card in a USB 
reader] when I closed it the other day. I subsequently removed the 
memory card from the reader and put it back in the camera.


The next time I started Bridge, it popped up an error box saying the 
drive did not exist giving me the option to Quit Bridge altogether, 
cancel (?) or retry?


I don't know what cancel was supposed to do; all it did was pop the 
error box back up again ... and again, and again, and ...


Quit wouldn't work either, because I couldn't clear the error box to 
allow the program to quit.


Couldn't kill the program in Task Manager. End now just hung. Even "the 
program is not responding *END NOW* wouldn't work. Finally managed to go 
to the Processes tab and manually kill bridge.exe, but that didn't help 
me get the program open so I could change the "drive" it was pointing to.


I had to go get the camera, take the memory card out and plug it into 
the reader to open the program and put it back to looking somewhere on 
the hard-drive.


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Re: OT - Video testing

[Christine Aguila]

Worked on my end. I feel bad for the folks who lost their home though--gosh, 
as if times weren't tough enough already.  Christine




- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 

To: "pentax list" 
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: OT - Video testing



Hi gang,

Just testing a flash video encoder, any volunteers?



less than a minute of dark house fire shots, just need to know if you
can see it :-)

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Re: OT - Video testing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 4/4/2009 9:52:40 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
cotty...@mac.com writes:
Hi gang,

Just testing a flash  video encoder, any  volunteers?



less  than a minute of dark house fire shots, just need to know if you
can see it  :-)

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Re: PESO - #012, "A source of honey"

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Boris:  I agree with Jack & Bob S. about the focus, but also agree with 
Bob W. about colors & your eye!  Hey, I'm listening to Mark O'Connor's 
rendition on the fiddle of Jerusalem's Ridge as I look at your photo, which 
makes for a really fun moment!  :-)  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: PESO - #012, "A source of honey"



Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/04/peso-2009-012.html

Methinks that at f/4 this little FA 100/3.5 macro lens did pretty 
impressive job.


Brutal and honest C&C are sought after, as usual.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Lightroom vs Bridge (or bridge vs lightroom if you prefer)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 4/4/2009 10:06:04 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
jsessoms...@nc.rr.com writes:
I had to go get the  camera, take the memory card out and plug it into 
the reader to open the  program and put it back to looking somewhere on 
the  hard-drive.

=
I've had that happen with other programs.  The solution is to close the 
program before removing the card or card reader. I  don't know if LR does that, 
and 
I am not particularly interested in finding  out.

A lot of programs aren't very smart. :-)

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Re: OT - Video testing

[Drew]

Cotty wrote:

Hi gang,

Just testing a flash video encoder, any volunteers?



less than a minute of dark house fire shots, just need to know if you
can see it :-)

ta.

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Works on Firefox under Linux...   You might have chosen to test it with 
a couple of minutes of pole dancing or something though... :-)


Drew.




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Re: PESO 2009 - 043, 044 - GDG

[Christine Aguila]

Godfrey:  I admire the excellence in technique and composition in the 1st 
one, but the picture just doesn't reach me on an emotional level.  The 
colors in Raw are very nice, and the elements composed as such make for a 
nice street scene.  Cheers, Christine




- Original Message - 
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To: "SeePhoto Talk" ; "DUG" 
; ; "PAW 
Picture-A-Week project" ; "PDML List" 

Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:37 PM
Subject: PESO 2009 - 043, 044 - GDG



Some color ...


http://homepage.mac.com/godders/043-connections.jpg
"Connections" - Sunnyvale 2009
Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4
ISO 200 @ f/2 @ 1/320 sec


http://homepage.mac.com/godders/044-raw.jpg
"Raw" - San Francisco 2009
Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4
ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/800 sec

Comments always appreciated.

enjoy
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Re: Peso water the grass

[Christine Aguila]

So, are you still drying out? ;-)  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" 
To: "Pentax Discuss" ; "Barbara Brooks" ; 
"Harry Bolton" ; "Yvette Huber" ; "Kee Chong" 


Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:06 PM
Subject: Peso water the grass



Thursday was, b-e-a utiful. Plus 14 C and lots of sun.
The weather channel called for a bit of rain today, so i decided
Thursday would be a good day to lay down some grass seed, have it get
some moisture and get a good start to hide all the bare spots.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3409895891/

Now i just have to figure out what neighbour has my seed.

K10D DAF 50-2.8 LR2 when i got it to work correctly

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Re: PESO Egyptian on the Rocks

[Boris Liberman]

In order of my personal preference:

1. #3
2. #2
3. #1

Cheers!

Boris


Christine Aguila wrote:
Hi Everyone:  I found some painted art on the rocks & some playful light 
along the Lake Michigan shore on a short photowalk last Saturday.  There 
are 3 different renderings here.  I'd be interested in knowing if you 
had a preference.  The 2nd rendering is pretty much as seen--as they say 
:-).



http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/egyptian/index.html

comments welcome, Cheers, Christine


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Re: Lightroom vs Bridge (or bridge vs lightroom if you prefer)

[Christine Aguila]

John:  I've never had this problem with Lightroom, though I'm not completely 
sure I know what you mean "pointing at a 'removable drive'--pointing is 
throwing me off.  In Lightroom, it's insert memory card, import, & once the 
little green light stops flashing remove memory card, whether Lightroom is 
open or not.  I would never remove the memory card during import.  Not sure 
if I've helped or answered your question--but I gave it a shot.  Cheers, 
Christine




- Original Message - 
From: "John Sessoms" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: Lightroom vs Bridge (or bridge vs lightroom if you prefer)


Found out something about Adobe Bridge I didn't know, and wondered if 
Lightroom does the same thing. Figured I might as well stir the pot up a 
little.


I left Bridge pointing at a "removable drive" [memory card in a USB 
reader] when I closed it the other day. I subsequently removed the memory 
card from the reader and put it back in the camera.


The next time I started Bridge, it popped up an error box saying the drive 
did not exist giving me the option to Quit Bridge altogether, cancel (?) 
or retry?


I don't know what cancel was supposed to do; all it did was pop the error 
box back up again ... and again, and again, and ...


Quit wouldn't work either, because I couldn't clear the error box to allow 
the program to quit.


Couldn't kill the program in Task Manager. End now just hung. Even "the 
program is not responding *END NOW* wouldn't work. Finally managed to go 
to the Processes tab and manually kill bridge.exe, but that didn't help me 
get the program open so I could change the "drive" it was pointing to.


I had to go get the camera, take the memory card out and plug it into the 
reader to open the program and put it back to looking somewhere on the 
hard-drive.


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Re: Lightroom vs Bridge (or bridge vs lightroom if you prefer)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I've not had this problem with Bridge on Mac OS X. If I quit it while  
looking at a memory card volume that I subsequently remove from the  
system, when next it starts up it will always be looking at the root  
directory of my login account. Same as with any other volume that goes  
off line.


Lightroom maintains volume/filepath references to the volumes that  
you've imported image files from in the catalog (database) and caches  
the previews locally (in the same directory as the database file).  
When volumes are off-line or otherwise not reachable, it simply marks  
them in the Folder panel and Grid, and notes that the source  
repository is off line which limits editing and export operations. You  
can still browse anything that has been imported.


Volumes mounted from memory cards on Windows could be a bit tricky.  
From an OS perspective, there is the physical adapter (the reader)  
and the card itself, then the volume it contains. The relationship of  
reader to card to logical volume is dynamic. In Mac OS X's file system  
this is represented pretty cleanly. I don't know about Windows in this  
regard.


Godfrey

On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

Found out something about Adobe Bridge I didn't know, and wondered  
if Lightroom does the same thing. Figured I might as well stir the  
pot up a little.


I left Bridge pointing at a "removable drive" [memory card in a USB  
reader] when I closed it the other day. I subsequently removed the  
memory card from the reader and put it back in the camera.


The next time I started Bridge, it popped up an error box saying the  
drive did not exist giving me the option to Quit Bridge altogether,  
cancel (?) or retry?


I don't know what cancel was supposed to do; all it did was pop the  
error box back up again ... and again, and again, and ...


Quit wouldn't work either, because I couldn't clear the error box to  
allow the program to quit.


Couldn't kill the program in Task Manager. End now just hung. Even  
"the program is not responding *END NOW* wouldn't work. Finally  
managed to go to the Processes tab and manually kill bridge.exe, but  
that didn't help me get the program open so I could change the  
"drive" it was pointing to.


I had to go get the camera, take the memory card out and plug it  
into the reader to open the program and put it back to looking  
somewhere on the hard-drive.



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Re: PESO Egyptian on the Rocks

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Boris!  Cheers, Christine


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From: "Boris Liberman" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: PESO Egyptian on the Rocks



In order of my personal preference:

1. #3
2. #2
3. #1

Cheers!

Boris


Christine Aguila wrote:
Hi Everyone:  I found some painted art on the rocks & some playful light 
along the Lake Michigan shore on a short photowalk last Saturday.  There 
are 3 different renderings here.  I'd be interested in knowing if you had 
a preference.  The 2nd rendering is pretty much as seen--as they say :-).



http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/egyptian/index.html

comments welcome, Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO and GESO, K100Ds performance

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Larry:  I like this shot very much.   I'd like to see just a tad more 
fingers of the guy in the foreground, but still it's a very nice pic.

http://www.flickr.com:80/photos/ellarsee/3409027558/in/set-72157616200776255/

Cheers, Christine




- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: PESO and GESO, K100Ds performance


Nice shots Larry.

I agree with you, that second sax shot is very good.

Dave

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

When I left work yesterday, I stopped to shoot a field that has been
catching my eye for a couple of years:

I think that this may be the best of the lot:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3408989436

Also, Nick was concerned about the low light performance of the
K100. This set was shot at between ISO 200 and 400. It wasn't horribly
dark, but it was by no means ideal lighting for action shots.
The biggest problem was that the two spots on the band both had yellow
gels, making color balance a bit of a challenge.

Most of these were shot with the FA 50/1.4, some may have been shot
with the FA77. I certainly missed the high iso performance, the larger
buffer, and the second dial for iso of the K20. As an aside, if I had
waited a couple more weeks, Amazon now has the K20 for $670.

I think that the two best shots were both of Irv on the sax:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3409027558/in/set-72157616200776255/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3408211857/in/set-72157616200776255/

The whole set is at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157616200776255/

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Re: Lightroom vs Bridge (or bridge vs lightroom if you prefer)

[Joseph McAllister]

It happens on my iMac as well. It's always a good habit to eject any  
cards, iPods, temporary USB drives, etc, when you are finished with  
them and before going on with anything else.


The opposite is happening to me right now. I've transferred the images  
from my SD card on to my hard drive, and reviewed them after importing  
to Aperture. Tried to eject the card, and am told I can't because the  
card is still in use, to quit the applications using it.


Well, I've quit everything except mail, and it still thinks it's in use.

May be tied to the behavior change I had happen in Aperture after I  
imported the images. The thumbnails took forever to be drawn, I  
couldn't see them in thumbnail view, but could se the full size image  
if I clicked n the empty spot where the thumbnail should have been.


They all show up fine this morning, and the finder icons are fine too.  
Probably need a restart, or re-importing the image files.



On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:15 , eactiv...@aol.com wrote:


In a message dated 4/4/2009 10:06:04 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time,
jsessoms...@nc.rr.com writes:
I had to go get the  camera, take the memory card out and plug it into
the reader to open the  program and put it back to looking somewhere  
on

the  hard-drive.

=
I've had that happen with other programs.  The solution is to close  
the
program before removing the card or card reader. I  don't know if LR  
does that, and

I am not particularly interested in finding  out.

A lot of programs aren't very smart. :-)


Joseph McAllister
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Re: OT - Video testing

[Cotty]

On 4/4/09, Drew, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You might have chosen to test it with
>a couple of minutes of pole dancing or something though... :-)

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Re: WTF?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'm not sure I understand either the question or response entirely,  
the language is twisty.
But I have some experience with the K10D and alternative focusing  
screens that might prove informative.


The behavior I found when I fitted the DS' focusing screen or my  
custom Katz Eye screen for the DS into the K10D is that metering  
calibration was off such that the exposure setting was consistently  
under by 0.7 EV (I needed to set +0.7EV to obtain normal exposure of a  
gray card). With the K10D's standard screen in place, I found its  
metering calibration was on the money (0EV compensation required).


I chatted about this with Rebecca Katz and she explained that the K10D  
focusing screen was tuned to provide more brightness to the ocular  
than the *ist DS screen. Since the metering sensors read the screen  
from off the ocular axis, this means the K10D screen's "scatter" was  
lower and the metering calibration is setup with that in mind. When  
you fit the *ist DS screens, they scatter more, make the metering  
sensors think there is more light than there really is, which causes  
them to suppress the exposure setting and underexpose.


The odd thing is that with K and M-series lenses, where the full lens  
information is not available to the camera due to their lack of the  
electrical contacts, the K10D with the older screens proves to be  
somewhat more accurate with the green button semi-automatic Manual  
exposure procedure than it is with its intended screen. This leads me  
to believe that the problem with this green button metering mode is  
that they didn't recalibrate it to accommodate the new screen like  
they did with the full aperture metering in other modes.


This comes from that forum thang, where I managed to get a 2 point  
demerit yesterday for telling a guy to fuck off.



Godders, I must just have been having a shitty day yesterday...


LOL. Yeah yeah, that's what they all say. ]'-)
No offense taken. Or intended on my part either. (Funny how sometimes  
people don't realize that.)


Some schmuck on the Leica or Pentax SLR DPRforum didn't like that I  
posted pictures to two or three forums. They complained about it, so  
DPR's management banned me for a week. I'm finding I'm getting much  
more done since I'm not wasting time with the idiocy there, so when my  
ban is over I might just go back and tell them all to go fuck off,  
seriously, and get banned permanently, to my advantage.


Godfrey


On Apr 4, 2009, at 8:01 AM, William Robb wrote:


In response to this question:

"I was informed that the camera is a little bit under-exposed, but I  
want to
know how much. That is, if I set the EV compensation, but how much  
(1/3?

1/2?) should I set so that I can get normal exposure?"

This answer was given:

"Well, regarding the exposure problem, let's say it's related to the  
lens

used.
For f/3.5-5.6 lens, exposure will be quite good.
But with fast lenses, you'll have a variable amount of  
underexposure...

- f/1.4 needs about +1 1/2ev
- f/2.8 needs about +1ev

and so on...

This is due to the fact that the focus screen does not respond in a  
linear

way to the aperture of the lens...
You should have a direct relation between shutter speed and aperture  
(i.e.

going from f/1.4 to f/2 should halve the shutter speed, going from say
1/1000 to 1/500).
But with the original k20 focus screen, this relation is not respected
(going from f/1.4 to f/2 won't halve the speed).

Note : I'm talking about using actual, stop-down apertures.

For A lenses, the exposure is mesured wide-open, then calculated for  
the
given aperture you want to use, so selecting f/2 will always gives  
half the

speed of f/1.4.
BUT the wide-open reading will be underexposed by the 1 1/2ev  
mentionned
above, so the lens will always underexpose, whatever aperture you're  
using.


Using an old lens (with aperture blades actually moving when you  
select an
aperture on the lens), you'll see that closing one stop won't halve  
the

speed.

You can lessen this behavior by using a LL60 screen (from the *ist  
line).
They are fully compatible with the k10/k20, and lessen the  
discrepancies to
the point where you won't really need to compensate the exposure  
anymore."




I'm not seeing where the answer could possibly be correct, but I  
thought I'd

post the whole thing here, hoping to generate some discussion.
This comes from that forum thang, where I managed to get a 2 point  
demerit yesterday for telling a guy to fuck off.

Godders, I must just have been having a shitty day yesterday...

William Robb



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Re: OT - Video testing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

No problems here. Tested both Safari and FireFox 3 on Mac OS X 10.5.6,  
running on Power Mac G5 2Ghz DP.


G

On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:52 AM, Cotty wrote:


Hi gang,

Just testing a flash video encoder, any volunteers?



less than a minute of dark house fire shots, just need to know if you
can see it :-)

ta.



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Re: More RAW software

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

PS Elements will be a much more competent image processing environment  
than iPhoto


No image management functionality, no scripting, and you only get to  
use Camera Raw's "basic" functions, but as long as it lets you get  
your work done, it's fine.


Godfrey


On Apr 4, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Nick Wright wrote:


Okay, so I'm disappointed. It used to be that my program CDFinder
would catalog the captions and keywords in an iPhoto library. Turns
out that's not the case anymore.

But I finally got a chance to download Photoshop Elements 6 for the
Mac (whew, 1.5 gigs!), and I am impressed. I didn't know that Elements
came with Bridge now, that's great. And the RAW conversions look
excellent. There is as little noise at 3200 iso as the iPhoto
conversions, but the Elements images look slightly sharper (PS- Larry,
I'm basing my.noise evaluations with the NR features of these programs
at their default settings which is usually off).

And, of course, Elements saves captions and keywords into IPTC. Which
means that wire services can read them, and that CDFinder will catalog
them for me as well.

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PESO: Statue of the Thinker

[Dan Matyola]

Not the one everyone knows, but a memorial to another great thinker, at 
the National Academy of Science, Washington, DC:


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8779007



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Re: OT - Video testing

[Bob Sullivan]

Cotty,
Looks fine, runs without interruption (jiggles) here in Chicago.
Ping test on my line has 32 bytes taking 46 to 53ms round trip.
Was that a real fire?  We practice on teardowns here, but I don't
think you do many teardowns there do you?
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Cotty  wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> Just testing a flash video encoder, any volunteers?
>
> 
>
> less than a minute of dark house fire shots, just need to know if you
> can see it :-)
>
> ta.
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Re: PESO - #012, "A source of honey"

[Ken Waller]

Nice capture.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman" 

Subject: PESO - #012, "A source of honey"



Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/04/peso-2009-012.html

Methinks that at f/4 this little FA 100/3.5 macro lens did pretty 
impressive job.


Brutal and honest C&C are sought after, as usual.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: WTF?

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 


Some schmuck on the Leica or Pentax SLR DPRforum didn't like that I  
posted pictures to two or three forums. They complained about it, so  
DPR's management banned me for a week. 



What!  What is wrong with people?  I don't get this.


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Re: WTF?

[Bob Sullivan]

Bill and Godfrey,
I've found that I don't really understand the 'green button' mechanism.
I can operate the green button fix just fine, but exposures are a bit
of a mystery.
See here, where I used an old M35 f2.0 lens on manual.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K352ApertureTestOnK20d#
Exposure seems to go off as you get to smaller f stops.
Now if the green button causes it to stop down and meter,
how can it be off?  You just metered the shot at f12.8, or whatever.
The mechanism for this error is a mystery to me.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand either the question or response entirely, the
> language is twisty.
> But I have some experience with the K10D and alternative focusing screens
> that might prove informative.
>
> The behavior I found when I fitted the DS' focusing screen or my custom Katz
> Eye screen for the DS into the K10D is that metering calibration was off
> such that the exposure setting was consistently under by 0.7 EV (I needed to
> set +0.7EV to obtain normal exposure of a gray card). With the K10D's
> standard screen in place, I found its metering calibration was on the money
> (0EV compensation required).
>
> I chatted about this with Rebecca Katz and she explained that the K10D
> focusing screen was tuned to provide more brightness to the ocular than the
> *ist DS screen. Since the metering sensors read the screen from off the
> ocular axis, this means the K10D screen's "scatter" was lower and the
> metering calibration is setup with that in mind. When you fit the *ist DS
> screens, they scatter more, make the metering sensors think there is more
> light than there really is, which causes them to suppress the exposure
> setting and underexpose.
>
> The odd thing is that with K and M-series lenses, where the full lens
> information is not available to the camera due to their lack of the
> electrical contacts, the K10D with the older screens proves to be somewhat
> more accurate with the green button semi-automatic Manual exposure procedure
> than it is with its intended screen. This leads me to believe that the
> problem with this green button metering mode is that they didn't recalibrate
> it to accommodate the new screen like they did with the full aperture
> metering in other modes.
>
>> This comes from that forum thang, where I managed to get a 2 point demerit
>> yesterday for telling a guy to fuck off.
>
>> Godders, I must just have been having a shitty day yesterday...
>
> LOL. Yeah yeah, that's what they all say. ]'-)
> No offense taken. Or intended on my part either. (Funny how sometimes people
> don't realize that.)
>
> Some schmuck on the Leica or Pentax SLR DPRforum didn't like that I posted
> pictures to two or three forums. They complained about it, so DPR's
> management banned me for a week. I'm finding I'm getting much more done
> since I'm not wasting time with the idiocy there, so when my ban is over I
> might just go back and tell them all to go fuck off, seriously, and get
> banned permanently, to my advantage.
>
> Godfrey
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2009, at 8:01 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
>> In response to this question:
>>
>> "I was informed that the camera is a little bit under-exposed, but I want
>> to
>> know how much. That is, if I set the EV compensation, but how much (1/3?
>> 1/2?) should I set so that I can get normal exposure?"
>>
>> This answer was given:
>>
>> "Well, regarding the exposure problem, let's say it's related to the lens
>> used.
>> For f/3.5-5.6 lens, exposure will be quite good.
>> But with fast lenses, you'll have a variable amount of underexposure...
>> - f/1.4 needs about +1 1/2ev
>> - f/2.8 needs about +1ev
>>
>> and so on...
>>
>> This is due to the fact that the focus screen does not respond in a linear
>> way to the aperture of the lens...
>> You should have a direct relation between shutter speed and aperture (i.e.
>> going from f/1.4 to f/2 should halve the shutter speed, going from say
>> 1/1000 to 1/500).
>> But with the original k20 focus screen, this relation is not respected
>> (going from f/1.4 to f/2 won't halve the speed).
>>
>> Note : I'm talking about using actual, stop-down apertures.
>>
>> For A lenses, the exposure is mesured wide-open, then calculated for the
>> given aperture you want to use, so selecting f/2 will always gives half
>> the
>> speed of f/1.4.
>> BUT the wide-open reading will be underexposed by the 1 1/2ev mentionned
>> above, so the lens will always underexpose, whatever aperture you're
>> using.
>>
>> Using an old lens (with aperture blades actually moving when you select an
>> aperture on the lens), you'll see that closing one stop won't halve the
>> speed.
>>
>> You can lessen this behavior by using a LL60 screen (from the *ist line).
>> They are fully compatible with the k10/k20, and lessen the discrepancies
>> to
>> the point where you won't really need to compensate the exposure anymore."
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Re: Lightroom vs Bridge (or bridge vs lightroom if you prefer)

[Ken Waller]

FWIW, on my Windows XP, when I want to remove a memory card from the reader, 
I click on the 'Safely remove Hardware' icon and the approiate drive 
corresponding to the reader.


Don't know if that's what your problem is but I thought I mention it.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "John Sessoms" 

Subject: Lightroom vs Bridge (or bridge vs lightroom if you prefer)


Found out something about Adobe Bridge I didn't know, and wondered if 
Lightroom does the same thing. Figured I might as well stir the pot up a 
little.


I left Bridge pointing at a "removable drive" [memory card in a USB 
reader] when I closed it the other day. I subsequently removed the memory 
card from the reader and put it back in the camera.


The next time I started Bridge, it popped up an error box saying the drive 
did not exist giving me the option to Quit Bridge altogether, cancel (?) 
or retry?


I don't know what cancel was supposed to do; all it did was pop the error 
box back up again ... and again, and again, and ...


Quit wouldn't work either, because I couldn't clear the error box to allow 
the program to quit.


Couldn't kill the program in Task Manager. End now just hung. Even "the 
program is not responding *END NOW* wouldn't work. Finally managed to go 
to the Processes tab and manually kill bridge.exe, but that didn't help me 
get the program open so I could change the "drive" it was pointing to.


I had to go get the camera, take the memory card out and plug it into the 
reader to open the program and put it back to looking somewhere on the 
hard-drive.





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Re: Statue of the Thinker

[Ken Waller]

Same url as Bird of paradise !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Matyola" 

Subject: PESO: Statue of the Thinker


Not the one everyone knows, but a memorial to another great thinker, at 
the National Academy of Science, Washington, DC:


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8779007



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Re: PESO: Statue of the Thinker

[Bob Sullivan]

Dan,
That link is to the nice 'Bird of Paradise' shot you posted.
No thinkers there.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Dan Matyola  wrote:
> Not the one everyone knows, but a memorial to another great thinker, at the
> National Academy of Science, Washington, DC:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8779007
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Re: PESO and GESO, K100Ds performance

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 12:39:55PM -0500, Christine  Aguila wrote:
> Hi Larry:  I like this shot very much.   I'd like to see just a tad more 
> fingers of the guy in the foreground, but still it's a very nice pic.
> http://www.flickr.com:80/photos/ellarsee/3409027558/in/set-72157616200776255/

Thanks a bunch. I agree with you, given time I would have framed it
differently, but I was shooting a 50mm prime and he just turned around
in my direction. Even though I was set up for shooting Irv (sax) with
Rob (trumpet) I snapped this as soon as the buffer in my K100 emptied
enough for me to do so.

Sometimes what you get is what you get.

> 
> Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David J Brooks" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: PESO and GESO, K100Ds performance
> 
> 
> Nice shots Larry.
> 
> I agree with you, that second sax shot is very good.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> >When I left work yesterday, I stopped to shoot a field that has been
> >catching my eye for a couple of years:
> >
> >I think that this may be the best of the lot:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3408989436
> >
> >Also, Nick was concerned about the low light performance of the
> >K100. This set was shot at between ISO 200 and 400. It wasn't horribly
> >dark, but it was by no means ideal lighting for action shots.
> >The biggest problem was that the two spots on the band both had yellow
> >gels, making color balance a bit of a challenge.
> >
> >Most of these were shot with the FA 50/1.4, some may have been shot
> >with the FA77. I certainly missed the high iso performance, the larger
> >buffer, and the second dial for iso of the K20. As an aside, if I had
> >waited a couple more weeks, Amazon now has the K20 for $670.
> >
> >I think that the two best shots were both of Irv on the sax:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3409027558/in/set-72157616200776255/
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3408211857/in/set-72157616200776255/
> >
> >The whole set is at:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157616200776255/
> >
> >--
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> >the wrong answer.
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Re: WTF?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:


What!  What is wrong with people?  I don't get this.


I don't either ... a photography forum that bans the posting of  
photographs just doesn't make sense .. but eh? It's their playground,  
perhaps they like to 'sleep with the feces' as someone so eloquently  
coined here yesterday. ;-)


G

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Re: WTF?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I found the same thing ... The green button metering is accurate wide  
open and near that, but accuracy becomes  increasingly off as the lens  
stops down.


Several possible causes come to mind, but the unfortunate truth is  
that I never found a way to solve it that didn't have less desireable  
side effects.


Godfrey

On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Bill and Godfrey,
I've found that I don't really understand the 'green button'  
mechanism.

I can operate the green button fix just fine, but exposures are a bit
of a mystery.
See here, where I used an old M35 f2.0 lens on manual.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K352ApertureTestOnK20d#
Exposure seems to go off as you get to smaller f stops.
Now if the green button causes it to stop down and meter,
how can it be off?  You just metered the shot at f12.8, or whatever.
The mechanism for this error is a mystery to me.
Regards,  Bob S.



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Re: RAW software

[John Sessoms]

From: Graydon

On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:30:59AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi scripsit:



> "My #2 Philips Screwdriver cannot drive a #4 Torx screw, but it could
> easily if they put an interchangeable bit on the end.
>
> Of course, I could buy a screwdriver with an interchangeable bit head
> and use that, but then I wouldn't have something to complain about. I
> want to use my #2 Philips head screwdriver for Torx screws too."


Oh, for the love of little green onions in the rain.

If someone wants to drive Torx screws, and the screwdriver manufacturer,
despite making the best Phillips screwdrivers the mind of man can
conceive, refuses to do so, there's a legitimate basis for complaint.


If you just drive 'em in with a *BALL PEEN HAMMER* you don't have to 
worry about what kind of driver takes 'em out.


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triangles

[Larry Colen]

I was shooting a spool of barbed wire last night

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157616246076913/

and I saw this triangle on the stop of it. Having just seen Paul's
series, I was inspired to take this shot and play the game too:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3410827921/sizes/l/

Inspiration from a friend, or ripping off an idea, either way, I
thought it was a fun shot.

I think that my favorite shot from the set is this one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3411649858/sizes/l/in/set-72157616246076913/

I've been noticing that spool of barbed wire out in the field, it's
funny but I could probably spend hours doing detail shots of it. I
don't normally shoot wide angle, but I was wishing for something wider
than my 18-250.  If anyone else wants to have a go at it, it's on
Hellyer between 101 and embedded way, across from a business complex
you can park in.

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Re: Pentax at GFM

[John Sessoms]

From: frank theriault

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Scott Loveless  wrote:


>> Will that be in Canadian or US funds?

>
> Depends. ?Are you gonna buy stuff with it, or play Monopoly?


I'm sure he'll be buying stuff, so he'll want the currency from the
strongest economy.

I guess that would be Canadian funds, please...

cheers,
frank


Chinese Yuan more like.

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Re: triangles

[Jack Davis]

I love working scenes like this. Your favorite is also mine.
Where were they taken?
Enjoyed the set very much!

Jack


--- On Sat, 4/4/09, Larry Colen  wrote:

> From: Larry Colen 
> Subject: triangles
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:42 PM
> I was shooting a spool of barbed wire last night
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157616246076913/
> 
> and I saw this triangle on the stop of it. Having just seen
> Paul's
> series, I was inspired to take this shot and play the game
> too:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3410827921/sizes/l/
> 
> Inspiration from a friend, or ripping off an idea, either
> way, I
> thought it was a fun shot.
> 
> I think that my favorite shot from the set is this one:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3411649858/sizes/l/in/set-72157616246076913/
> 
> I've been noticing that spool of barbed wire out in the
> field, it's
> funny but I could probably spend hours doing detail shots
> of it. I
> don't normally shoot wide angle, but I was wishing for
> something wider
> than my 18-250.  If anyone else wants to have a go at it,
> it's on
> Hellyer between 101 and embedded way, across from a
> business complex
> you can park in.
> 
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> http://www.red4est.com/lrc
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Re: PESO and GESO, K100Ds performance

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 12:07:21PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Larry Colen
> >When I left work yesterday, I stopped to shoot a field that has been
> >catching my eye for a couple of years:
> >
> >I think that this may be the best of the lot:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3408989436
> 
> I think I can see where you're going with this; the barbs tack sharp, 
> and the background out of focus, but it doesn't work for me. The OOF 
> farm implement detracts from the scene. Better if the background were 
> only *slightly* out of focus.

That makes sense. I've got some with the farm gear in focus and the
fence out.  The good news is that it's around the block from the
office so I can easily go back with a tripod and shoot at f32 rather
than f11.

Thanks for the advice. I love compliments, but suggestions are better
at helping me improve.

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RE: Ritz Photo closing over 300 stores

[John Sessoms]

From: Mark Roberts

http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/19647/need-some-photo-gear-ritz-camera-is-closing-over-300-stores



I don't know if any of the Ritz stores around here are on the block, but 
none of them have anything in stock that I want ... other than the Ritz 
in the same shopping center where I work had a 100 sheet box of Kodak 
PolyContrast IV RC marked down about 95% and that's already sitting in 
my refrigerator.


They don't have much Pentax stock, maybe a K10D with a Quantaray zoom 
and/or K100D. None of them, AFAIK has a K20D in stock.


And I wonder if whoever is handling the liquidations is going to do the 
same thing Circuit City's liquidators did - come in and jack all prices 
up to full MSRP the day before liquidation began, and mark the 
"discounts" from there?



I can't say I'm optimistic about the survival of their remaining stores. 
I can't envision any business plan they might come up with that will 
work in place of their current minilab-driven model (which is clearly 
not going to fly in this day and age).  :( 


http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/02/a-bit-more-on-ritz--the-basic-commodity-that-kept-most-us-camera-stores-alive-in-the-1980s-and--1990s-was-the-3x5-inch.html



There's one statement he makes that I don't see at all.


: Ritz wasn't buying stores to sell cameras; they were buying locations
: to operate minilabs.
: 
: So this is what Ritz means when it says that digital photography hurt

: its business so badly. Prints made from digital files on a digital
: minilab are almost certainly every bit as profitable as prints from
: negatives were, but they're nowhere near as numerous. Now,
: photographers might print the two or three shots out of 50 that are
: good. Or they might print them themselves, at home or the office. Or
: they might just put them on Flickr, and not print them at all.


I have customers all day long printing MORE than they would be if they 
were shooting film. Most of my customers wouldn't be printing anything 
if they were shooting film. The camera would stay at home and only get 
pulled out to shoot the Christmas tree.


I get the occasional customer who only prints one or two 4x6 prints, but 
more often I get the customers who want 20 - 50 prints PLUS 5x7 & 8x10 
prints.


And I get a significant number of customers who print multiple hundreds.

Ninety percent of my internet orders (Flickr, Shutterfly, Kodak Gallery, 
...) are for at least 50 prints. And half of them order more than 100 
prints.


It's a rare morning when I arrive at work and don't find orders for 300+ 
(combined) prints; with more on-line coming in while I'm starting the 
lab (plus whoever's already at the kiosk getting "prints in seconds").


I just don't understand how Ritz could be losing money on the mini-lab 
side of the business.


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PESO: Triangulation Four

[Paul Stenquist]

Had some time to get back to this today.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8896639

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Re: Ritz Photo closing over 300 stores

[John Sessoms]

From: Marnie
In a message dated 4/3/2009 1:01:32 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
msrobert...@ysu.edu  writes:

http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/19647/need-some-photo-gear-ritz-cam
era-is-closing-over-300-stores

I  can't say I'm optimistic about the survival of their remaining stores. 
I  can't envision any business plan they might come up with that will 
work in  place of their current minilab-driven model (which is clearly 
not going to  fly in this day and age).  :( 


==
Reminds me of Circuit City,  actually. First they started with closing about 
1/2 their stores, thinking they  could keep going...


Marnie aka Doe  


Circuit City set themselves on the course for bankruptcy the day they 
decided to screw over all their experienced sales people back in March 
2007.


I'm sure I'm not the only person who refused on principal to ever shop 
there again.


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Re: triangles

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 01:08:10PM -0700, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> I love working scenes like this. Your favorite is also mine.
> Where were they taken?
> Enjoyed the set very much!

On Hellyer in South San Jose.

Wednesday's shots can be found by plugging 
5290 Hellyer Ave, San Jose, Santa Clara, California 95138

in google maps.

I think that these would be at 
5276 Hellyer Ave, San Jose, Santa Clara, California 95138

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=5276+Hellyer+Ave,+San+Jose,+Santa+Clara,+California+95138&sll=37.272399,-121.793483&sspn=0.000814,0.000917&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr

If people wanted, we could meet for lunch and shooting dead farm gear.


> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> > From: Larry Colen 
> > Subject: triangles
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:42 PM
> > I was shooting a spool of barbed wire last night
> > 
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157616246076913/
> > 
> > and I saw this triangle on the stop of it. Having just seen
> > Paul's
> > series, I was inspired to take this shot and play the game
> > too:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3410827921/sizes/l/
> > 
> > Inspiration from a friend, or ripping off an idea, either
> > way, I
> > thought it was a fun shot.
> > 
> > I think that my favorite shot from the set is this one:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3411649858/sizes/l/in/set-72157616246076913/
> > 
> > I've been noticing that spool of barbed wire out in the
> > field, it's
> > funny but I could probably spend hours doing detail shots
> > of it. I
> > don't normally shoot wide angle, but I was wishing for
> > something wider
> > than my 18-250.  If anyone else wants to have a go at it,
> > it's on
> > Hellyer between 101 and embedded way, across from a
> > business complex
> > you can park in.
> > 
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> > to post
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Re: PESO - Three Tracks

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen

On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 01:31:53PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

> They weren't all WWII era, the Glomar Explorer was parked there  for
> many years.
> ==
> Yeah, I figured a few were added later, but  didn't know that much about it.
> 
> Interesting, I didn't realize it was  "Project Jennifer", that explains

> Charlie naming the book "The Jennifer  Morgue"
> http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/jennifer.htm
> 
> ==


> Huh,  except it's not Hunter's Point. Okay, let me look it up. I can't come 
> up with  the name, it MIGHT be the Port Chicago Shipyard. It's in the Carquinez 
> Straight,  near Martinez/Benicia. It's not, as far as I know, a working 
> shipyard, just a  storage place.


I'm not sure where Hunter's point came in.  The Glomar was parked in
the Mothball fleet for many years, until it was scrapped. The Glomar,
in itself is an interesting story.

My friend, Charlie Stross, wrote a book called "The Jennifer Morgue"
that the Glomar plays a part in. I hadn't realized where the name came
from until I read that article about "Project Jennifer".

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Well, your sig got it right.

The Glomar Explorer hasn't been scrapped. Still active on the USN ship 
list: USNS Glomar Explorer (T-AG-193)


Currently on lease to GlobalSantaFe Corporation as a dynamically 
positioned deep sea drilling platform operating as the GSF Explorer.


Originally leased in 1997 to Global Marine Drilling which merged with 
Santa Fe International Corporation in 2001 to become GlobalSantaFe 
Corporation, which then merged with Transocean in November 2007.



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PESO: The Haircut

[Paul Stenquist]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8896834

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Re: OT - Video testing

[Paul Stenquist]

I see it on my Mac with Safari.
Paul
On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Drew wrote:


Cotty wrote:

Hi gang,
Just testing a flash video encoder, any volunteers?

less than a minute of dark house fire shots, just need to know if you
can see it :-)
ta.
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Works on Firefox under Linux...   You might have chosen to test it  
with a couple of minutes of pole dancing or something though... :-)


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Re: WTF?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" 
Subject: Re: WTF?




Only 2.


Did I get off lucky?

William Robb

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Re: WTF?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila" 
Subject: Re: WTF?





What!  What is wrong with people?  I don't get this.



Oh NOOO!!!
Something's wrong on the internet.



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Re: Pentax at GFM

[John Sessoms]

From: David Savage

2009/4/4 frank theriault :

> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Cotty  wrote:
>

>> I'll give you that ten bucks next time.

>
> Will that be in Canadian or US funds?


There are deer on the mountain...

DS


The pearl is in the liver.

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Re: OT - Video testing

[Pasvorn Boonmark]

Hi Cotty,

It works.

-Pasvorn

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Re: PESO: The Haircut

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That looks like something out of the 1950s, Paul! :-)

G

On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8896834



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Re: PESO: The Haircut

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks. The barber shop is out of the fifties, so that's where I went.

On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


That looks like something out of the 1950s, Paul! :-)

G

On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8896834



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Re: OT - Video testing

[Cotty]

On 4/4/09, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Was that a real fire?  We practice on teardowns here, but I don't
>think you do many teardowns there do you?

Last Saturday evening in a village ten minutes from me. Thatched cottage
- one of the pitfalls. Sad. I'm afraid I don't know what a teardown is,
but I can guess

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PESO: Statue of the Thinker -- Corrected Link

[Dan Matyola]

Not the one everyone knows, but a memorial to another great thinker, at
the National Academy of Science, Washington, DC:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8778939


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Re: WTF?

[Cotty]

On 4/4/09, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Some schmuck on the Leica or Pentax SLR DPRforum didn't like that I
>posted pictures to two or three forums. They complained about it, so
>DPR's management banned me for a week. I'm finding I'm getting much
>more done since I'm not wasting time with the idiocy there, so when my
>ban is over I might just go back and tell them all to go fuck off,
>seriously, and get banned permanently, to my advantage.

Can I have that whole passage as a T short please Mark :-)

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