Re: Shooting close to home (was 'nother stump)

2009-04-08 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 03:19:33PM -0400, frank theriault wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 snip
  Definitely let us know if you do. I popped over to Davenport yesterday
  for a little shooting just before sunset:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157616322123961/
 snip
 
 This one's a hell of a shot:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3416664805/in/set-72157616322123961/

Thanks. I worried that it was too cliche', but if it is, I guess
there's a reason for it. The birds flying in front right when I took
the first shot of the boat was amazing luck. I don't remember if this
was that, or when I saw another flock going past.

 
 But just a small nit, is the horizon just a titch off horizontal?
 About .5 degree?  Not that it takes away...

I'll check on that. It very likely is, the original was about 5
degrees off. I can't seem to hold a camera level to save my soul.

   lrc

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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Dario Bonazza

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


If anything, this validates that special edition Pentax ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/leicawhite.jpg


For some reason, it reminds me of these folks:
http://www.dariobonazza.com/ammut08/amm08o07e.htm

Ciao,

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RE: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Bob W
 
 If anything, this validates that special edition Pentax ...
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/leicawhite.jpg
 
 I kinda like it, just like I kinda liked that Pentax when I saw one.  
 But then, I like a blue camera too.
 
 Godfrey

it's horrible. But they've been making special editions since 1929, so I
don't suppose they care what I think.

Bob


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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Mark Roberts

Bob W wrote:

If anything, this validates that special edition Pentax ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/leicawhite.jpg

I kinda like it, just like I kinda liked that Pentax when I saw one.  
But then, I like a blue camera too.


Godfrey


it's horrible. But they've been making special editions since 1929, so I
don't suppose they care what I think.



...or they do care and they're deliberately taunting you.


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Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
2009/4/8 Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu

 David Savage wrote:

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/3406984942_4162539cb9_b.jpg

 I'm the one in red on the left with the radio shutter release in hand :-)

 Casual Friday in Australia, huh?

Every day is casual in .au.

(Too hot most of the time for formal)

:-)

DS

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Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
2009/4/8 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
 On Apr 7, 2009, at 06:32 , David Savage wrote:

 2009/4/7 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com:

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know, I have added quite a few to the technically competent, but
 mediocre, pool myself.

 Wow, Flickr really does have a pool for everything.

 LOL

 Here's my latest boring photo:

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3319/3420399349_fc22fbab94_o.jpg

 :-)

 Wow!  Nice photo Dave.

 Good composition, color. I like the way you've balanced the small orange
 rock in the upper left hand edge with the right foot of the idiot with the
 uncontrolled highlight up his ass.

 Superb!

:-)

DS

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Re: so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
Used paper negatives once or twice in large format days, and it's really 
interesting. Didn't try the acetate idea, but that's interesting. I 
printed dive tables in acetate to be kept in the BC pockets at all 
times, just in case I needed to change the profile in the middle of the 
dive - way cheaper than imported dive tables on fancy plastic sheets :-)


I did my paper negative experiments in photographic paper, then. Some 
inquisitive mind could post other results, one of these days...


Great idea, Ann, Larry.

LF

Larry Colen escreveu:

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:39:53PM -0400, ann sanfedele wrote:
Instead of reinventing the wheel make a paper negative and contact 
print it  


Print on acetate instead of paper.



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Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
Hehehe She's going to get such a kick out of that when I tell her.

DS

2009/4/8 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br:
 You may say that, but there are at least 4 using said picture as desktop
 background so far... permission granted and everything else.

 Did I say lately how I love this list???

 LF

 Joseph McAllister escreveu:

 My apologies to the young lady. I had not seen enough points of interest
 to make a determination.


 On Apr 7, 2009, at 11:31 , Larry Colen wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:25:04AM -0700, Joseph McAllister wrote:

 Here's my latest boring photo:

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3319/3420399349_fc22fbab94_o.jpg

 :-)

 Wow!  Nice photo Dave.

 Good composition, color. I like the way you've balanced the small
 orange rock in the upper left hand edge with the right foot of the
 idiot with the uncontrolled highlight up his ass.

 That looks like *her* ass to me.

 Joseph McAllister
 Lots of gear, not much time

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Re: Aussie Casual Friday

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
2009/4/8 Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com:
 On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 David Savage wrote:

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/3406984942_4162539cb9_b.jpg
 I'm the one in red on the left with the radio shutter release in hand :-)

 Casual Friday in Australia, huh?

 Brilliant!

Thanks.

DS

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Re: Aussie Casual Friday

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
Har!

The power of the D700. It's an all seeing eye.

:-)

DS

2009/4/8 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
 My,my Dave,
 You even got Christina's Egyptian in your shot!
 (all be it, a little hairier...)
 Regards, Bob S.

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote:
 On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 David Savage wrote:

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/3406984942_4162539cb9_b.jpg
 I'm the one in red on the left with the radio shutter release in hand :-)

 Casual Friday in Australia, huh?

 Brilliant!

 Godfrey

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Re: OT PESO - By the power of Greyskull....

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
Thanks Christine

I was lucky to stumble upon such a socially active Flickr group of a
similar age  mentality :-) . It's lead me  in turn my photography,
to places  situations that I most likely wouldn't have ventured into.

I still take the pentax out  about so I hope to have something to
contribute in the next annual.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/5 Christine  Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net:
 WOW!  What fun.  Dave, you're such an inspiration.  I really admire the
 sense of photographic community that you are part of and support in your
 area of Australia--and I have always felt that you really strive for
 creativity and mastery of technique--your Butterfly shot is one of my all
 time favorite photos--and now this, what fun.  I'm sure you'll be taking a
 lot more great photos during the rest of the year, but this one below--your
 umbrella shot-- is really great  might be one for the annual--wait a
 minute, oh boo, you probably shot this with your new Nikon, right?  Bummer.
 Well, great shot anyway!  Really enjoyed it.  Cheers, Christine

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/Tesla%20Downunder/content/_DSC1781_large.html





 - Original Message - From: David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
 Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:23 PM
 Subject: OT PESO - By the power of Greyskull


 G'day all,

 Here is another from last weekend:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3400865997/

 Direct link (~120kb):
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3400865997_f065a98701_o.jpg

 There was no Photoshop trickery involved. If you click on the first
 link there is an explanation of how the shot was made.

 A small gallery of my other shots from the night can be found here:

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/Tesla%20Downunder/

 Cheers,

 Dave

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Re: OT PESO - By the power of Greyskull....

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
D'oh.

Was kinda hoping you wouldn't notice on this one.

:-)

Dave

2009/4/5 Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm:
 Spectacular, but the horizon's not level


 Cheers

 Brian

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 http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/

 On Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:23 +0800, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3400865997/

 Direct link (~120kb):
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3400865997_f065a98701_o.jpg

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Re: OT PESO - By the power of Greyskull....

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
He's a lovely bloke  the videos on his site are really cool.

The coil itself isn't that loud but the capicitor discharge (see the
umbrella shot) was just like having a shotgun go off. me ears were
ringing for a few minutes after.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/5 Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm:
 Seriously though.

 That's a pretty sinister looking image and thanks for the explanation.

 I took a look at the Tesla Downunder site - remind me never to lend that
 guy my car!  He must keep his neighbours endlessly entertained...



 Cheers

 Brian

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 On Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:23 +0800, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 G'day all,

 Here is another from last weekend:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3400865997/

 Direct link (~120kb):
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3400865997_f065a98701_o.jpg

 There was no Photoshop trickery involved. If you click on the first
 link there is an explanation of how the shot was made.

 A small gallery of my other shots from the night can be found here:

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/Tesla%20Downunder/

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Re: OT PESO - By the power of Greyskull....

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
:-)

He didn't he stood still long enough for the flash and then bolted.

Cheers,

Dave


2009/4/5 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
 On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:23 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:
 G'day all,

 Here is another from last weekend:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3400865997/

 Direct link (~120kb):
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3400865997_f065a98701_o.jpg

 Cool. Looks like he stood pretty still for the 16.

 Dave

 There was no Photoshop trickery involved. If you click on the first
 link there is an explanation of how the shot was made.

 A small gallery of my other shots from the night can be found here:

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/Tesla%20Downunder/

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Re: OT PESO - By the power of Greyskull....

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
Thanks Paul.

Dave

2009/4/5 Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
 Well done.
 Paul
 On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:32 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:23 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3400865997/

 Direct link (~120kb):
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3400865997_f065a98701_o.jpg
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/Tesla%20Downunder/

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Re: OT PESO - By the power of Greyskull....

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
I'm partial to both of those things too :-)

Thanks for looking.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/6 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
 Dave,
 Neat gallery, two my son's favorites - sharp things and fire!
 Tesla was a genius.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:23 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3400865997/

 Direct link (~120kb):
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3400865997_f065a98701_o.jpg
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/Tesla%20Downunder/

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Re: OT PESO - By the power of Greyskull....

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
2009/4/6  eactiv...@aol.com:
 In a message dated 4/4/2009 8:23:42 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,
 ozsav...@gmail.com writes:
 G'day all,

 Here is another  from last  weekend:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3400865997/

 Direct  link  (~120kb):
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3400865997_f065a98701_o.jpg

 There  was no Photoshop trickery involved. If you click on the first
 link there is  an explanation of how the shot was made.

 A small gallery of my other  shots from the night can be found  here:

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/Tesla%20Downunder/

 Cheers,

 Dave

 
 Like  the shot (greyskull). Interesting gallery. Was that a camera club or
 something  else?

I attended a lighting workshop, being run by a few freinds  this
display was arranged for the second night.

Cheers,

Dave

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PESO - Symmetry

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/symmetry.html

Comments always welcome.

cheers,
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Re: OT PESO - By the power of Greyskull....

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
2009/4/8 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com:
 On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:23 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:
 G'day all,

 Here is another from last weekend:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3400865997/

 Direct link (~120kb):
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3400865997_f065a98701_o.jpg

 There was no Photoshop trickery involved. If you click on the first
 link there is an explanation of how the shot was made.

 A small gallery of my other shots from the night can be found here:

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/Tesla%20Downunder/

 I like the whole gallery, but my fave is the guy with the umbrella.

Yeah, thats my fave as well.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO - Symmetry

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
I like that a lot.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/8 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com:
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/symmetry.html

 Comments always welcome.

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Re: PESO boy chases girl

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Christine  Aguila
cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Hi Everyone:  Just a little constructions site whimsy ;-).

 http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/boygirl/content/caisson_drilling_5_large.html

 comments welcome, cheers Christine

It took me a few minutes to figure it out (I can be a bit slow on the
uptake sometimes...).

I'm looking for like a man and a woman each with a construction helmet
chasing each other around the construction site, I'm not seeing them
and I'm not getting it at all.

Then I look up and see the cables dangling from the crane.

D'oh!

;-)

Fun shot, Christine!

cheers,
frank



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Re: PESO - Symmetry

2009-04-08 Thread Christian

frank theriault wrote:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/symmetry.html

Comments always welcome.

cheers,
frank



Nice catch.  It makes me want to know what they are watching.

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RE: so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel

2009-04-08 Thread John Sessoms

From: JC OConnell

why not just get one of the better dedicated for BW
digital BW printers?

JC O'Connell


Is there one that allows you to process the exposed paper for tray 
development? I thought they were all inkjets


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Re: so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel

2009-04-08 Thread John Sessoms

From: pnstenquist

You could print a negative digital image on clear acetate with an
inkjet printer and then make a contact print on photographic paper.
Of course you could make a better print with the inkjet printer.

What's your objective here? You might achieve an interesting result,
but I doubt that it would be a high quality image. Paul


The objective is to make a darkroom BW print from a digital capture.

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Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

...should have known better, shouldn't I? :-)

Real world present hard limits to what kind of enlargement we make from 
film or digital alike. I don't take pics thinking of wall size 
enlargements to be viewed from 4 inches. I compromise.


Thinking of DOF alone I'd be using the smallest possible sensor, matched 
to the smallest focal lenght or staying as far as possible from my 
subjects. But then, there are other considerations.


If I could build such sensor bypassing all the other issues related to 
sensor size, and was able to produce a really perfect lens free of 
distortions and with unlimited resolution, so my camera could offer that 
 almost unlimited DOF, would you say the limit to my circle of 
confusion would be the pixel?


...out of curiosity alone, since I'm rather real, and despite the 
unbelievable fun this thread gave me and my co-workers, this should be 
my last post to the matter.


LF (trying to get a beautiful brunette to some DOF experiments...)

JC OConnell escreveu:

The problem with this post below is the word perceived.
The REAL DOF increases with lower magnification, not the
perceived DOF. If you could build a high quality tiny
sensor and had a real short FL lens of unlimited resolution,
you would end up with a camera with immense DOF capability,
EVEN WITH LARGE PRINTS MADE. The viewing angles and print
sizes dont matter. Its the in-camera maginification that
makes the difference, a REAL difference.

JC O'Connell
hifis...@gate.net
 



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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Luiz Felipe
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:55 PM
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Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field


Hard as it is to remain serious in this thread, I'll try. :-)

Magnification is one of the keys, and very important. For a while, let's

keep the aperture and circle of confusion effects out of the equation 
(make them constant to all the scenarios below). So for this moment, 
magnification is our tool.


Zooming out or stepping back would reduce image size, increasing the 
perceived DOF.


But that's part of the problem, since we have now a pic a little smaller

than we wanted. So we enlarge said photo back to the desired size, and 
we MAY keep the perceived DOF, as long as we don't degrade the image in 
the process. Best if we have some megapix stored just in case. Taking 
this to a limit, the circle of confusion that was acceptable in the 
small image becomes unacceptable in the enlargement.


But there is still another point to consider - viewing distance of the 
final, enlarged photo. Looking too close is another way of enlarging the


photo, and there go the perceived DOF and sharpness away. Keep the 
distance and the image keeps looking sharp - small, but sharp.


Small sensor PS cameras use so small images they offer some serious DOF

- offset by other considerations very quickly. As you move up in sensor 
size (assuming of course you use a corresponding larger image) the 
perceived DOF will drop. Want it back? Small image, to be enlarged later


if the number of pixels remains on our side.

Now, about that light at the end... ;-)

LF

Larry Colen escreveu:

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:32:47AM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
You're actually saying if one zoom out (reduce the magnification of 
the
subject) and crop back to the desired composition the DOF will be 
increased, right? So the pic taken with the zoom at 35mm will present



greater DOF than the one taken at 70mm, after you enlarge both to the



same subject size, right?
This is the premise behind point and shoots having greater depth of 
field than APS which has greater depth of field than Full Format. Or 
conversely if you want to limit DOF at a particular angle of view, you



may need to go to FF.
 

...so the K20d has greater DOF than the *ist DS, right?

Because you can shoot with a shorter lens and crop, since DOF is based



on focal length squared and CoC as a linear value.

Mind you, if you down res a photo from 2000x3000 pixels to 400x600 
then an edge that had been 5 pixels wide is now only 1 pixel wide so 
even if DoF can't be changed in post processing, there will be a lot 
more lattitude in what you cannot see is out of focus.



I love numbers... :-)

LF

JC OConnell escreveu:
depth of field is determined solely by in camera magnification and 
working fstop. So cropping/format is not a factor but changing 
lenses from a given distance will affect DOF, likewise moving 
further away with the same lens and stopping down more will also 
both increase DOF.


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Perhaps someone has already done the math, or the experimentation, 
and can just give me the answers.


Scott's pictures of his 

Re: PESO boy chases girl

2009-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

That's really funny! Good eye! :-)

G

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Re: PESO - Symmetry

2009-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

I think I'd have named it Some Wind! :-)

Godfrey

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http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/symmetry.html

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Re: PESO - Symmetry

2009-04-08 Thread Jack Davis

Marvelous catch, Paul. They're obviously comfortably perched and ready for the 
passing scene.

Jack


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Re: so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel

2009-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:57 AM, John Sessoms wrote:


From: pnstenquist

You could print a negative digital image on clear acetate with an
inkjet printer and then make a contact print on photographic paper.
Of course you could make a better print with the inkjet printer.
What's your objective here? You might achieve an interesting result,
but I doubt that it would be a high quality image. Paul


The objective is to make a darkroom BW print from a digital capture.


This is what I and others interested in this process have done in the  
past:


http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/main_pages/book_info_main_page1.htm

A friend of mine in San Luis Obisbo is a master at this process.

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Re: PESO - Symmetry

2009-04-08 Thread Bong Manayon
The title is apt!

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:19 PM, frank theriault
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Re: PESO boy chases girl

2009-04-08 Thread Bong Manayon
I enjoyed this...!

Bong

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Re: so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel

2009-04-08 Thread William Robb


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Subject: Re: so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel





The objective is to make a darkroom BW print from a digital capture.



Then you need to make a negative.
I recall reading something about making BW inkjet negatives in one of the 
photo magazines several years ago, I think this would be the way to go.
Be aware that if you use only the black ink for making the negative you will 
most likely get a print more reminiscent of a lith film print, and if you 
use the colour ink as well, the results will be rather unpredictable, since 
BW paper isn't pan sensitive..


If you want something that looks like a traditional B white print, you will 
probably have to produce several negatives of varying density and print them 
sequentially using a pin registering contact print easel.


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Re: PESO's Some Black an white

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
Great photos indeed, the first in particular. And I'm glad to see film 
in use despite the fact it's dead and all we have from now on is 
digital... ;-)


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27...@comcast.net escreveu:

I added a few black and white photos to my newest folder.They were all shot 
with Tri-x film and I made 11 x 14 prints of them. I photographed each print 
with the K20D and 100mm F2.8 Pentax Macro lens.
Here is a link to one in the group.. 


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8918271

and for you girly fans here is a link to Heather Thomas, different than Heather 
Locklear.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8918275

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Re: PESO - Proud Parents

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

Very good Frank!

LF

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Sunday was a beautiful spring day (unlike today when we awoke to
freaking snow on the ground!).  I wondered if this was baby's first
spring day out to the Market?

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/proud-parents.html

Comments always welcome.

cheers,
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ps:  note the circle of confusion and dof which is from the camera only...

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Re: PESO 2009 - 048 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 Another from a weekend walk ...

 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/048-contained.jpg
 Contained - San Jose 2009
 Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4
 ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/4000 second

 Comments always appreciated.

As Bruce said, one would normally see the fence OOF and the electrical
equipment would be in focus.  Your focus decision makes it look almost
as if the insulators and wires are humming - very dynamic choice!

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Re: peso - thinking inside the box

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

Sleeping inside the box, you mean... :-)

One point... you should have stressed the fact that this was a cat 
photo... ;-)


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ann sanfedele escreveu:


http://annsan.smugmug.com/gallery/2526444_XRhmm/1/507669324_Wedby/Medium


I have some nerve peso-ing when I've hardly been here - but anyway...
have at it

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Re: PESO - Blossoms and Bridge

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
Sorry Rick, but the background on #1 is a little too strong for me. Very 
nice view of the bridge!


LF

Rick Womer escreveu:

Two more from Wallingford.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8922537size=lg

and

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8922538

It bugs me a little that the central blossoms in the first pic are behind the 
plane of focus, but it was either them or the closer blossoms...

Rick


  


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Re: PESO 2009 - 048 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
Interesting indeed, Godfrey, but somehow disturbing. Can't say exactly 
what's disturbing me.


LF

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Another from a weekend walk ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/048-contained.jpg
Contained - San Jose 2009
Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4
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Re: PESO: License

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

Like it, Nick. Keep shooting... until you actually hit the plate ;-)

LF
...serious, I like it...

Nick Wright escreveu:

Here's one I took this afternoon. I'm really really liking the colors
that K100D Super makes.

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Re: PESO boy chases girl

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

Very interesting, Christine!

LF

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Hi Everyone:  Just a little constructions site whimsy ;-).

http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/boygirl/content/caisson_drilling_5_large.html 



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Re: PESO 2009 - 048 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Christian

frank theriault wrote:

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:

Another from a weekend walk ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/048-contained.jpg
Contained - San Jose 2009
Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4
ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/4000 second

Comments always appreciated.


As Bruce said, one would normally see the fence OOF and the electrical
equipment would be in focus.  Your focus decision makes it look almost
as if the insulators and wires are humming - very dynamic choice!

cheers,
frank



Hey, Godders, I didn't see the original post.  What frank and Bruce 
said.  I love the choice of the fence being in focus.


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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

I'd pass it too... Leica or not.

LF

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If anything, this validates that special edition Pentax ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/leicawhite.jpg

I kinda like it, just like I kinda liked that Pentax when I saw one. But 
then, I like a blue camera too.


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Re: PESO - Symmetry

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

Very good Frank!

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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread William Robb


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Subject: Re: new special edition Leica




I'd pass it too... Leica or not.


I'd see a doctor about that.
Could be serious.

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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

David is the guilty... and that light photo. :-)

Paint the camera 18% grey or light silver and I'll think about buying 
it... Or do some nice imitation chrome. White, thanks but no, thanks...


LF

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- Original Message - From: Luiz Felipe Subject: Re: new 
special edition Leica




I'd pass it too... Leica or not.


I'd see a doctor about that.
Could be serious.

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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 If anything, this validates that special edition Pentax ...

 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/leicawhite.jpg

 I kinda like it, just like I kinda liked that Pentax when I saw one. But
 then, I like a blue camera too.

 Godfrey

It's for the pastie-complexioned PJ that wants to do the incognito thing?

Photographing polar bears in the arctic?

Stalking Dave Brooks in yesterday's snowstorm in Stouffville?

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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Mark Roberts

William Robb wrote:


From: Luiz Felipe 


I'd pass it too... Leica or not.


I'd see a doctor about that.


Good idea. They're the target demographic for Leicas ;-)


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Re: so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
If you don't need to use the enlarger, this is the way to go. I'd 
experiment some if I had more time.


If your ideas include traditional print manipulation you may be better 
using the enlarger, but then maybe you could adjust to a 6x7 digital 
negative??


LF

John Sessoms escreveu:

From: pnstenquist

You could print a negative digital image on clear acetate with an
inkjet printer and then make a contact print on photographic paper.
Of course you could make a better print with the inkjet printer.

What's your objective here? You might achieve an interesting result,
but I doubt that it would be a high quality image. Paul


The objective is to make a darkroom BW print from a digital capture.

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Re: so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel

2009-04-08 Thread John Sessoms

From: Luiz Felipe
Used paper negatives once or twice in large format days, and it's really 
interesting. Didn't try the acetate idea, but that's interesting. I 
printed dive tables in acetate to be kept in the BC pockets at all 
times, just in case I needed to change the profile in the middle of the 
dive - way cheaper than imported dive tables on fancy plastic sheets  :-) 

I did my paper negative experiments in photographic paper, then. Some 
inquisitive mind could post other results, one of these days...



Resin coated papers have a very thin plastic layer between the paper 
backing and the emulsion. If you are very careful, you can soak the 
paper and separate the emulsion. I have done that to make paper negatives


The Print on acetate idea might work.

I don't know that I'm going to do anything as yet. Mostly I've just got 
thought experiments.


It started when someone brought an old, old, OLD faded, degraded print 
of his grandfather into the lab yesterday to make copies for his own 
grandkids.


I tweaked the scan I get from the kiosk as best I could. The results 
weren't all that great to my eye, but he was quite pleased.


Got me started thinking about photo restorations. Most just end up with 
a digital file or ink-jet print, but I got to wondering how hard it 
would be to take it to the darkroom and make silver/gelatin prints of 
the restored images.


I thought of replacing the enlarger head with some kind of projector 
because of the ease with which you can control the final print size 
using an enlarger, and the work-flow to produce a really good quality 
print in the BW darkroom is one I'm pretty comfortable with.


Seems like a traditional print of restored photos might be a high 
quality, value added product.


I can always send the digital file over to the local pro-lab, but it's 
more fun to get my own hands wet.




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Re: PESO: License

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:04 PM,  pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 I like it. Interesting subject, well rendered.

I agree with Paul.

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Re: so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
Didn't think of separating the emulsion then, but those days I just 
placed some BW paper into 4x5 film holders, and used in a Sinar with 
75mm lens, outside in daylight, then made contact prints of any 
interesting results - not so many, but then it's not the process but the 
photographer. Tricky part was establishing a proper ISO for the 
different papers under daylight.


I wonder what is possible with 6x7-sized negative prints on acetate... 
but those experiments will have to wait for my next divorce OR a better 
apartment with space to build a BW lab... don't know wich would cost 
more. Maybe someday.


Post us some results, ok?

LF

John Sessoms escreveu:

From: Luiz Felipe
Used paper negatives once or twice in large format days, and it's 
really interesting. Didn't try the acetate idea, but that's 
interesting. I printed dive tables in acetate to be kept in the BC 
pockets at all times, just in case I needed to change the profile in 
the middle of the dive - way cheaper than imported dive tables on 
fancy plastic sheets  :-)
I did my paper negative experiments in photographic paper, then. Some 
inquisitive mind could post other results, one of these days...



Resin coated papers have a very thin plastic layer between the paper 
backing and the emulsion. If you are very careful, you can soak the 
paper and separate the emulsion. I have done that to make paper negatives


The Print on acetate idea might work.

I don't know that I'm going to do anything as yet. Mostly I've just got 
thought experiments.


It started when someone brought an old, old, OLD faded, degraded print 
of his grandfather into the lab yesterday to make copies for his own 
grandkids.


I tweaked the scan I get from the kiosk as best I could. The results 
weren't all that great to my eye, but he was quite pleased.


Got me started thinking about photo restorations. Most just end up with 
a digital file or ink-jet print, but I got to wondering how hard it 
would be to take it to the darkroom and make silver/gelatin prints of 
the restored images.


I thought of replacing the enlarger head with some kind of projector 
because of the ease with which you can control the final print size 
using an enlarger, and the work-flow to produce a really good quality 
print in the BW darkroom is one I'm pretty comfortable with.


Seems like a traditional print of restored photos might be a high 
quality, value added product.


I can always send the digital file over to the local pro-lab, but it's 
more fun to get my own hands wet.




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Re: Shooting close to home (was 'nother stump)

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
22123961/

 Thanks. I worried that it was too cliche', but if it is, I guess
 there's a reason for it.
snip

If it's crap it's cliche.  If it's good it's inspired.

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Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:32:47AM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
 You're actually saying if one zoom out (reduce the magnification of the 
 subject) and crop back to the desired composition the DOF will be 
 increased, right? So the pic taken with the zoom at 35mm will present 
 greater DOF than the one taken at 70mm, after you enlarge both to the 
 same subject size, right?

This is the premise behind point and shoots having greater depth of
field than APS which has greater depth of field than Full Format. Or
conversely if you want to limit DOF at a particular angle of view, you
may need to go to FF.
 
 
 ...so the K20d has greater DOF than the *ist DS, right?

Because you can shoot with a shorter lens and crop, since DOF is based
on focal length squared and CoC as a linear value.

Mind you, if you down res a photo from 2000x3000 pixels to 400x600
then an edge that had been 5 pixels wide is now only 1 pixel wide so
even if DoF can't be changed in post processing, there will be a lot
more lattitude in what you cannot see is out of focus. 

 
 I love numbers... :-)
 
 LF
 
 JC OConnell escreveu:
 depth of field is determined solely by in camera magnification
 and working fstop. So cropping/format is not a factor but changing
 lenses from a given distance will affect DOF, likewise moving further
 away with the same lens and stopping down more will also both increase
 DOF.
 
 JC O'Connell
 hifis...@gate.net
  
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:35 PM
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 Subject: Trading resolution for depth of field
 
 
 Perhaps someone has already done the math, or the experimentation, and
 can just give me the answers.
 
 Scott's pictures of his Nishiki inspired me to shoot some of my mongrel
 legnano. I rode it to lunch today, and on the way back to the office was
 getting some shots of it with some lupin by the side of the trail.
 
 I didn't have quite as much depth of field as I'd like, so I decided to
 try zooming way out and then just cropping. Smaller sensor, shorter
 lens, more depth of field. If the equation is linear, I should get the
 same DOF by downresing (downrezzing?) a longer lens over the whole
 sensor, as I would using a shorter lens and cropping.
 
 This would also mean that a K20 would have a lot less DOF than my K100
 at the same focal length, assuming that they were blown up large enough
 that the sensor resolution became a factor. 
 
 So, if I'm willing to trade resolution for depth of field, am I better
 off using a wider angle lens and cropping (my intuition says yes), or do
 I get the same benefit by just combining pixels (which would also reduce
 noise) for a larger circle of confusion?
 
 
 
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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Scott Loveless
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote:

 Paint the camera 18% grey...

And include a detachable light meter!

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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

Forgot that!!! Thanks :-)

Scott Loveless escreveu:

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote:


Paint the camera 18% grey...


And include a detachable light meter!



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Re: peso - thinking inside the box

2009-04-08 Thread ann sanfedele



Luiz Felipe wrote:


Sleeping inside the box, you mean... :-)

One point... you should have stressed the fact that this was a cat 
photo... ;-)


LF


made ya look... :-)

ann



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http://annsan.smugmug.com/gallery/2526444_XRhmm/1/507669324_Wedby/Medium


I have some nerve peso-ing when I've hardly been here - but anyway...
have at it

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PESO - Parts Unknown

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
NOT the place I get my bike repaired:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/04/parts-unknown.html

;-)

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Re: PESO - Parts Unknown

2009-04-08 Thread Paul Sorenson
Hm - makes you wonder who their parts supplier is...Interesting 
symbol on the picket to the right of the sign.  Any idea what it is/means?


-p

frank theriault wrote:

NOT the place I get my bike repaired:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/04/parts-unknown.html

;-)

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March PUG -- Abstract

2009-04-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola, Esq
I enjoy looking at abstract images, and there are a number of fine 
ones in the March PUG.  Two of them mystify me, and I would like a 
little more information on what they show and how the images were made.


Fontene by Toralf:  I love the graininess of the image, and the 
light.  Are those reflections in the a shiny pendulum or other object, 
or is the camera looking through an opening into a mich brighte area?  
Inquiring minds would like to know.  In any event, it is an interesting 
and effective photograph.


! by Dag Thrane:  Again, wonderful light and nice composition.  I keep 
trying to visualize what I am seeing, however.  Would you mind letting 
us in on your secret?


I am looking forward to seeing more entries in the April PUG, since the 
theme is a bit more open-ended.


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Re: GESO - Dancing in the Light

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

 =
 Fun, frank. He  really got into it alright. Like first and last best.
 Enjoyable.

Thanks, Marnie, and thanks to everyone else who commented on these
ones.  It was a lovely mild spring day and there were many good photo
ops in that part of town (Kensington Market is among the richest
neighbourhoods for street shooting), but this was a bit out of the
ordinary.

It was fun to shoot this fellow...

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Re: PESO - Parts Unknown

2009-04-08 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: frank theriault

Subject: PESO - Parts Unknown



NOT the place I get my bike repaired:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/04/parts-unknown.html



That must be the shop owned by that guy who got popped for those thousands 
of stolen bikes..


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Re: PESO - Parts Unknown

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
Interesting place, Frank... I wonder how much they charge for almost-new 
bikes... and if I'd be safe riding one afterwards - from the police, I 
mean... ;-)


Serious, nice grab. Did anyone run after you?

LF

frank theriault escreveu:

NOT the place I get my bike repaired:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/04/parts-unknown.html

;-)

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Re: peso - thinking inside the box

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
Here, here... but I'd look anyway, I'm not afraid of cats under 30kg. 
Nor bigger as long I carry the adequate firearm. :-)


LF

ann sanfedele escreveu:



Luiz Felipe wrote:


Sleeping inside the box, you mean... :-)

One point... you should have stressed the fact that this was a cat 
photo... ;-)


LF


made ya look... :-)

ann



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http://annsan.smugmug.com/gallery/2526444_XRhmm/1/507669324_Wedby/Medium


I have some nerve peso-ing when I've hardly been here - but anyway...
have at it

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Re: PESO - Proud Parents

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote:
 Very good Frank!

Thank, Luiz, and thanks to everyone else who commented on this one.

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PESO - waiting for the train...

2009-04-08 Thread Doug Brewer

http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1092

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RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread JC OConnell
Not sure what your getting at, but I have been talking
about CONTROLLING DOF. If you want to increase or decrease
it based on ANY refence, including yours, you have to change
maginfication
or fstop or both IN CAMERA.

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On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:41:08PM -0400, JC OConnell wrote:

 The COC thing is simply how you MEASURE perceived depth
 of field, no matter what COC or print size you choose, it

I see. So if I don't care whether something is out of focus as long as
it looks like it is in focus, then I can use the aforementioned math?



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Re: PESO - waiting for the train...

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

Cool... :-)

LF

Doug Brewer escreveu:

http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1092

enjoy

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Re: PESO - waiting for the train...

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1092

 enjoy

Damn that's good!!

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Re: PESO: Connections #2

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Fernando fer.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Frank!

 I'm guessing Little Italy, possibly looking down Grace from College?
 Nope, you got this one wrong ;-)

 Roncesvalles, I believe 5 blocks north of Queen. I love that street,
 is really picturesque and lively (when the sun comes out that is).
 Unfortunately is a long walk from home.

Ah, so they're old Polish men rather than old Italian men?  Silly me
for not being able to tell the difference.

;-)

I've been to Roncesvalles before, but not often, and not recently.

I'll have to sally forth into that neighbourhood soon - there are
obviously some good photo ops there!

Again:  wonderful photo!

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Re: PESO - waiting for the train...

2009-04-08 Thread Joseph McAllister

Cold wait!

Nice grab..

On Apr 8, 2009, at 09:50 , Doug Brewer wrote:


http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1092

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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Pasvorn Boonmark
Winter edition?

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 If anything, this validates that special edition Pentax ...

 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/leicawhite.jpg

 I kinda like it, just like I kinda liked that Pentax when I saw one. But
 then, I like a blue camera too.

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RE: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Desjardins, Steve
I wonder if they'd sell me a poser edition:  just the shell so I can walk 
around and look cool.

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Winter edition?

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 If anything, this validates that special edition Pentax ...

 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/leicawhite.jpg

 I kinda like it, just like I kinda liked that Pentax when I saw one. But
 then, I like a blue camera too.

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Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Cotty
On 7/4/09, Luiz Felipe, discombobulated, unleashed:

...glad to read the two of you agreeing. Now David, may I use that photo
of yours as desktop background for a while? I tried to laugh quietly but
my co-workers perceived the tears in my eyes and I had to show them the
thread.

They also would like to use the photo as background for a while...

It will brighten up the orifice for sure.

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Re: PESO - Parts Unknown

2009-04-08 Thread Jack Davis

Nice placement of the sign. Asian fence tagging?

Jack


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 NOT the place I get my bike repaired:
 
 http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/04/parts-unknown.html
 
 ;-)
 
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Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Jos from Holland
Exactly! Thats why people with poor eyesight are lucky: they have a 
larger COC and get more DOF for free!


Matthew Hunt wrote:

And that's what determines depth of field:  The appearance of
sharpness.  Every derivation of DOF begins with that criterion.

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RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread JC OConnell
Smaller prints dont have more DOF, they're
just harder to see clearly!

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On Apr 7, 2009, at 11:51 , Larry Colen wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:41:08PM -0400, JC OConnell wrote:

 The COC thing is simply how you MEASURE perceived depth
 of field, no matter what COC or print size you choose, it

 I see. So if I don't care whether something is out of focus as long as

 it looks like it is in focus, then I can use the aforementioned math?


Of course!  We all have many more 4 x 6 prints that are sharp vs the  
11 x 14 version.

That's my theory behind the thousands of dog photos in my gallery. 95%  
of them are not critically sharp (though it's getting better now that  
the sun is out) but I count on the dog owners to have smaller screens  
than I, and to only print 4 x 6  from the images they download.

Besides, it's their dog, it's free, so it must be good.

(does away with all the wedding photo terrors)



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Re: new special edition Leica

2009-04-08 Thread Scott Loveless
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu wrote:
 I wonder if they'd sell me a poser edition:  just the shell so I can walk 
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Myphonies, anyone?
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PESO: Rocking chair and dulcimer

2009-04-08 Thread Nick Wright
http://www.nickdavidwright.com/2009/04/rocking-chair-and-dulcimer.html

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Re: PESO: Rocking chair and dulcimer

2009-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.nickdavidwright.com/2009/04/rocking-chair-and-dulcimer.html

Lovely still life!

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Re: WTF?

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

I'd take those magical focusing screens with a grain of pixie dust myself.

Low light level for start, that could easily be the case. But starting 
from bright sunlight subjects??


LF

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- Original Message - From: Lucas Rijnders
Subject: Re: WTF?



I am glad I tend to use lenses wide open and near that :-)

Could it be that the meter does not get enough light for an accurate
measurement when stopped down?


I think thats a more likely suggestion than focusing screens that 
magically change their transmission properites with wide f-stop lenses.


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Re: PESO: Rocking chair and dulcimer

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
Great pic Nick! Like the light, and the only and very minor issue I is 
the lower end of the walls and its different texture. But moving the 
chair would place it too close to the walls, and a lower angle of vision 
wouldn't render the chair so well, so this IS the shot. Very, very good!


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Re: PESO: Rocking chair and dulcimer

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

... only and very minor issue I see is ...

Sorry, my keyborad is hungryi toddoay :-)

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Great pic Nick! Like the light, and the only and very minor issue I is 
the lower end of the walls and its different texture. But moving the 
chair would place it too close to the walls, and a lower angle of vision 
wouldn't render the chair so well, so this IS the shot. Very, very good!


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Re: PESO: Rocking chair and dulcimer

2009-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Lovely shot, Nick!

I think the upper left-center edge, above the chair, seems just the  
smallest trifle hotter than I'd prefer. You might consider a soft spot  
darkening it right there. :-)


Godfrey

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Re: PESO - waiting for the train...

2009-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Apr 8, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:


http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1092


I like the idea and want to like the photo, but it doesn't make that  
metaphorical leap into something beyond for me. Whether it's rendering  
or perspective, it stays literal to my eye where I'd like it to become  
something more archetype.


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Re: PESO boy chases girl

2009-04-08 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, Bong, Godfrey, Frank, Ann, Jack, Luiz and Paul.  Comments much 
appreciated.  Hang on, I think I have another giggler for ya.  Cheers, 
Christine



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I enjoyed this...!

Bong

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Christine  Aguila
cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:

Hi Everyone: Just a little constructions site whimsy ;-).

http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/boygirl/content/caisson_drilling_5_large.html

comments welcome, cheers Christine


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Re: PESO: Rocking chair and dulcimer

2009-04-08 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 01:45:23PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote:
 http://www.nickdavidwright.com/2009/04/rocking-chair-and-dulcimer.html

I think that's one of the best I've seen from you so far. 

Good job. I love the light, color and composition.


 
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Re: PESO - Symmetry

2009-04-08 Thread Christine Aguila

That's really great, Frank.  Perfect moment caught!  Cheers, Christine


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http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/symmetry.html

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PESO 2009 - 049,050 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Last night while at a restaurant ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/049-stacks.jpg
Stacks - San Jose 2009

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/050-tabasco.jpg
Tabasco - San Jose 2009

Both with the Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40/1.4, wide open at ISO  
100.


They're a little soft ... I didn't focus particularly accurately,  
shutter speeds were certainly high enough ... and I nearly tossed them  
as a result. However, after looking at them again this morning, I find  
I like them. What say you?


Comments are always appreciated.

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PESO 2009 - 051 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Another one from last evening, in a different aesthetic...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/051-tapped.jpg
Tapped - San Jose 2009
Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4
ISO 800 @ f/1.4 @ 1/30 sec

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Re: PESO - Symmetry

2009-04-08 Thread Ken Waller

I think I'd have named it Some Wind! :-)


Or blown away !

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Subject: Re: PESO - Symmetry



I think I'd have named it Some Wind! :-)

Godfrey

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http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/symmetry.html

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Re: PESO - waiting for the train...

2009-04-08 Thread Doug Brewer

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


On Apr 8, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:


http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1092



I like the idea and want to like the photo, but it doesn't make that  
metaphorical leap into something beyond for me. Whether it's rendering  
or perspective, it stays literal to my eye where I'd like it to become  
something more archetype.


Godfrey


thanks, Godders. That's pretty much how I see it, kind of back and forth 
on it. Maybe I'll take another run at it, because I do see something 
there, but don't think I've hit it yet.


Thanks also to Luiz, Joe and Frank, and anyone else who took a look.

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Re: PESO 2009 - 049,050 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
Godfrey, I like Tabasco - very interesting. Stacks didn't work for me. 
Nothing against some softness now and then, in these I relate the 
softness to low light, handheld - even if you say shutter speeds were high.


LF

Godfrey DiGiorgi escreveu:

Last night while at a restaurant ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/049-stacks.jpg
Stacks - San Jose 2009

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/050-tabasco.jpg
Tabasco - San Jose 2009

Both with the Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40/1.4, wide open at ISO 100.

They're a little soft ... I didn't focus particularly accurately, 
shutter speeds were certainly high enough ... and I nearly tossed them 
as a result. However, after looking at them again this morning, I find I 
like them. What say you?


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Re: PESO 2009 - 049,050 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Christian

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Last night while at a restaurant ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/049-stacks.jpg
Stacks - San Jose 2009

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/050-tabasco.jpg
Tabasco - San Jose 2009

Both with the Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40/1.4, wide open at ISO 100.

They're a little soft ... I didn't focus particularly accurately, 
shutter speeds were certainly high enough ... and I nearly tossed them 
as a result. However, after looking at them again this morning, I find I 
like them. What say you?


Comments are always appreciated.

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I think the softness helps.  I like them both very much.


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PESO Morning Hellos

2009-04-08 Thread Christine Aguila

Hi Everyone:  more construction whimsy.


http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/morning/content/caisson_april_8_18_large.html

comments welcome, cheers, christine 




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Re: PESO 2009 - 049,050 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Apr 8, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Luiz Felipe wrote:

Godfrey, I like Tabasco - very interesting. Stacks didn't work for  
me. Nothing against some softness now and then, in these I relate  
the softness to low light, handheld - even if you say shutter speeds  
were high.


Thanks!

They were made at 1/30 and 1/100 second respectively. I just missed on  
the focus a touch, particularly on the first, as I was too involved  
with the company I was socializing with and not paying attention. ;-)



http://homepage.mac.com/godders/049-stacks.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/050-tabasco.jpg


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Re: PESO 2009 - 049,050 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Christine Aguila
At first I liked Stacks a lot (I looked at it first).  Then when I saw 
Tabasco, I decided I liked it a lot more than Stacks.  Tabasco is really 
great.  Softness in both doesn't bother me.  Cheers, Christine




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Last night while at a restaurant ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/049-stacks.jpg
Stacks - San Jose 2009

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/050-tabasco.jpg
Tabasco - San Jose 2009

Both with the Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40/1.4, wide open at ISO 
100.


They're a little soft ... I didn't focus particularly accurately,  shutter 
speeds were certainly high enough ... and I nearly tossed them  as a 
result. However, after looking at them again this morning, I find  I like 
them. What say you?


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Re: PESO 2009 - 049,050 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
I like tabasco. The softness is effective there, in part because the  
foreground dishes appear sharp. Yet still, the overall soft feel is  
nice. Stacks doesn't work for me, in part because it's soft, but I  
find it less interesting in general.

Paul
On Apr 8, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Last night while at a restaurant ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/049-stacks.jpg
Stacks - San Jose 2009

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/050-tabasco.jpg
Tabasco - San Jose 2009

Both with the Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40/1.4, wide open at  
ISO 100.


They're a little soft ... I didn't focus particularly accurately,  
shutter speeds were certainly high enough ... and I nearly tossed  
them as a result. However, after looking at them again this morning,  
I find I like them. What say you?


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Re: PESO Morning Hellos

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe

...looks like the construction site is a happy place to be...

Like it, you have very sharp eyes and the timing is perfect. :-)

LF

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Hi Everyone:  more construction whimsy.


http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/morning/content/caisson_april_8_18_large.html 



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Re: PESO 2009 - 049,050 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 12:45:18PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 Last night while at a restaurant ...
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/049-stacks.jpg
 Stacks - San Jose 2009
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/050-tabasco.jpg
 Tabasco - San Jose 2009
 
 Both with the Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40/1.4, wide open at ISO  
 100.
 
 They're a little soft ... I didn't focus particularly accurately,  
 shutter speeds were certainly high enough ... and I nearly tossed them  
 as a result. However, after looking at them again this morning, I find  
 I like them. What say you?

I really like them. I wish that they were sharper, but then I guess
I'm bourgeois that way.

Maybe it'll be an excuse to go out to dinner.

 
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Re: PESO 2009 - 051 - GDG

2009-04-08 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 12:47:24PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 Another one from last evening, in a different aesthetic...
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/051-tapped.jpg
 Tapped - San Jose 2009
 Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4
 ISO 800 @ f/1.4 @ 1/30 sec
 
 Comments are always appreciated.

I can appreciate it intellectually, but it doesn't really work for me.


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