date:20090719

d'uh! How else are you gonna stuff the bodies down the drains? 

Actually the noise of the chainsaw is what matters. It drowns out the noise
of the traffic so you can sleep at night. Chainsaws are well known for their
somniferous sound properties in cities. I don't know if any experiments on
this have been conducted outside the city though, say on top of a mountain
where the sounds carry in a different way. Someone should test that.

Bob


 
 That is a bit disturbing, I can't think of any reason you'd need a 
 chainsaw in NYC.
 
 ann sanfedele wrote:
 
  http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/wan/1276141774.html
 
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RE: An actually on-topic G1 note


 
 On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Adam Maasa...@mawz.ca wrote:
  Just tried a Super-Takumar 35/3.5 on my G1, and while playing about
  found to my not-entire surprise that the hood for a ST 105/2.8 does
  not vignette with the 35/3.5 on a G1.
 
 That sounds about right. Note that the B+W Tele hood does not vignette
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 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Panasonic_G1-Konica_40.jpg

It's because when you put the 105mm hood on a 4/3rds lens the focal length
becomes 210mm, ain't that right Bill?

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Re: PESOS - Going to the High Line

2009-07-19 Thread David Mann


On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:58 PM, Bob W wrote:

Make your own tracks! Just go out and cycle, and a track will appear  
beneath

your wheels.


1. Large parts of our local hills are privately owned.  There have  
been instances of tracks being destroyed after being found on private  
land as it's a liability nightmare.
2, Most of the rest is controlled by the Department of Conservation,  
they tend to consider things like visual impact (the hills are pretty  
barren so any new tracks will be highly visible)
3. People building tracks willy-nilly tend to build tracks that are  
dangerous or unmaintainable due to erosion.
4. The terrain is actually quite difficult to build on with large  
rocks and steep slopes.


When I think about it, it seems that we're lucky to have any tracks at  
all.  There are some good tracks in a couple of places just outside  
the city but I tend not to use them as I have the hills on my back  
doorstep.


Cheers,
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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

2009-07-19 Thread David Mann


On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:21 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

The books amazon erased were sold illegally by a third party. By  
erasing them amazon is just protecting the rights of the author's  
heirs and estate. However, amazon has decided that they won't do  
that again, but they will be more cautious when it comes to enabling  
marketers of digital books.


From what I read the other day, the digital copies were sold legally  
but whoever owns the copyright changed their mind and decided not to  
distribute those works anymore.  They then asked Amazon to remove what  
had already been sold.


I could be wrong about this...

Cheers,
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Re: Lacquer for prints?

That's probably because coatings are almost never applied to  
photographs.

Paul
On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

No, you understand the question. I did look at fixatives but all of  
the types I found were for some form of painting or charcoal drawing  
rather than photos I decided to try something else. I'm probably  
just going to have to experiment a bit.




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Subject: Re: Lacquer for prints?

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 02:57:27PM -0700, Brendan MacRae scripsit:
I'm not looking for lacquer for preserving the prints. I just want  
to

seal the print and make it less susceptible to marks, rubs and
scratches. If it adds a slight gloss, all the better.


Pretty much any art store is going to have suitably archival spray  
fixative, or

am I not understanding the question?

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Re: Pentax 67 and AF400T

2009/7/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
 Killing some time this afternoon, I took in a matinée showing of the new
 Harry Potter film. There's a scene of a party where a magic photographer is
 wandering around taking photos of the guests. Looked like they used a Pentax
 67 with an AF499T strobe as the prop.

We have tickets for tomorrow night. I'll see if I can spot it.

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Re: OT ? craigslist lsiting of possible interest here

I'll bet its for some kind of art project, perhaps an installation.  
Note they don't seem to care if it's really functional.

Paul

On Jul 19, 2009, at 12:44 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:


Of course I was just making the joke about Dave and his snoring...
but now that you mention it...

however, with the trees that have gotten felled by storms lately  
there may be a legit reason for sure.


ann

P. J. Alling wrote:

That is a bit disturbing, I can't think of any reason you'd need a  
chainsaw in NYC.


ann sanfedele wrote:



http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/wan/1276141774.html

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Re: Minor enablement

I'm wading back in old mails here.
The 393 isn't a minor enablement. It opened up a new world for me.
What lenses are you using, and how do you like it?


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2009/6/18 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 Got myself a  Manfrotto 393 head (Bogen 3421),  haven't tried it but looks 
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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

hmm...

The real reason seems to be what hides in one small paragraph:
Antoine Bruguier, an engineer in Silicon Valley, said he had noticed
that his digital copy of “1984” appeared to be a scan of a paper
edition of the book.

So this particular Amazon contributor had apparently scanned the book
themselves. As such is an illegitimate digtialisation, and they are
breaking copyright. No wonder Amazon would call the purchases back. I
empathise with those who had their books deleted from their readers,
though.

Jostein

2009/7/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
 Just to stir the debate once more on whether the Kindle is better than real
 books ...

 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html?_r=1partner=rssemc=rss

 http://preview.tinyurl.com/m8wm4y

 Amazon can apparently access your Kindle any time they want to and erase
 books you have already purchased. I'd like to see them try that with my old
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Re: K7 Frame Counting

2009/7/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
 I have encountered a situation where I used a computer to delete files from
 the memory card and the camera wouldn't read the card after.

 I was able to format the card in camera and continue to use it.

I've had some strange situations with faulty readers. Typically
computer readers not able to handle SDHC. What happens is that the
first GB of images comes through allright, and the rest has partly
garbled files, much like the example that BobW posted a while ago. If
unaware of the problem it's very easy to suspect the card to be
faulty.

Once had a faulty SD card reader behaving the same way with SD cards
too. However when popping the card back into the camera all the images
were still there. Fortunately.

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Re: K7 Frame Counting

2009/7/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
 From: AlunFoto

 But then again, I've already been wrong once.

 If it's only been once, you're doing a lot better than I am.

LOL.

Not my quote, but seems to fit the occasion:
My only fault is that I'm perfect. :-)

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GESO: More kayak racing

2009-07-19 Thread David Mann


It was a win-win situation for me this morning.

The weather forecast was for southerly gales, rain and snow down to  
500 metres elevation.  Would not have been conducive to going out to  
take pictures.


I looked out the window just after 7:00 this morning, thinking if  
it's raining I go back to bed and have a nice sleep in.  Hmm.  Not a  
cloud in sight.  Well that's the Met Service for you, I'd listened to  
that forecast not 5 minutes earlier.  Taking pictures it is (I was  
actually hoping for a sleep in, but I'll call it a win anyway).


We actually had a beautiful sunny day today.  Blue sky, no wind.  Not  
even a frost, which is what blue-sky-no-wind mornings usually bring at  
this time of year.


On the down side, transport arrangements conspired against me and I  
had to leave the long lenses at home.  My kit today was the K10D with  
FA*24, FA 100 macro and FA*200 lenses.  Still pining for an 80-200 f/ 
2.8 zoom.


http://www.multisport.net.nz/photos/259-2009-07-19-brass-monkey-race-3.html 



I was shooting into the sun quite a lot, not really much I could do  
about that.  But at least I had some sun this time.  Some of the pics  
need to be bigger to work well but I'm limited by the site template.


The photo of the guy taking a swim was a lucky grab shot.  I'd just  
arrived at the riverside after walking a couple of hundred metres  
across the empty riverbed when I saw him tip over.  I only took 1  
photo as I wanted to make sure he didn't need help.  A fellow who took  
a dip in the previous race had to be resuscitated and is lucky to  
still be alive today.  The camera handled the exposure very well but  
it took me a while to bring the dynamic range under control in  
Photoshop.


My usual lessons: I still find editing very difficult.  This gallery  
is really on the limit length-wise but there were some photos (and one  
combination) that really appealed to me for various reasons.  I also  
need more practice at post-processing.


Cheers,
Dave

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RE: Minor enablement

2009-07-19 Thread John Whittingham

Hi Tim

I'ne only tried it to see what it's like, unfortunately,  because pressure of 
work has prevented me doing any bird photography lately. I was suitably 
impressed with it though, the longest lens I have is the DA* 300/4 fitted with 
1.4, 1.5 or 1.7x TC. I'm hoping the 393 will help me with sharper images when 
SR is not so effective due to using one of the TC's. Initial tests proved it to 
be quite effective even when used with 300mm + 1.7 TC down to 1/125 sec. I'm 
hopimg to return to Mere Sands Wood (Kingfisher territory) and try it someday 
soon.

Are you still using yours? How do you find it?

Regards,

John

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby 
[maritim...@gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: Minor enablement

I'm wading back in old mails here.
The 393 isn't a minor enablement. It opened up a new world for me.
What lenses are you using, and how do you like it?


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2009/6/18 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 Got myself a  Manfrotto 393 head (Bogen 3421),  haven't tried it but looks 
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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

2009-07-19 Thread Graydon

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:20:26AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:
 So this particular Amazon contributor had apparently scanned the book
 themselves. As such is an illegitimate digtialisation, and they are
 breaking copyright. No wonder Amazon would call the purchases back. I
 empathise with those who had their books deleted from their readers,
 though.

No.

The publisher *changed their mind* about selling an electronic edition
and retroactively deleted the copies that had been sold.

Think about this in context of news or political writing.

-- Graydon

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Re: OT ? craigslist lsiting of possible interest here

2009-07-19 Thread John Mullan

Having lived in the heavily wooded Pocono mountains in Pennsylvania, and 
having a number of weekend and vacation neighbors whose home address is NYC, 
I can see why someone in NYC might seek a chainsaw. This craigslist listing 
looks like someone dealing in used chainsaws.


jm
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That is a bit disturbing, I can't think of any reason you'd need a 
chainsaw in NYC.


ann sanfedele wrote:


http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/wan/1276141774.html

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Re: K7 Frame Counting

2009-07-19 Thread John Mullan


I made a mistake once, thought I was wrong and I wasn't.

jm
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2009/7/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

From: AlunFoto


But then again, I've already been wrong once.


If it's only been once, you're doing a lot better than I am.


LOL.

Not my quote, but seems to fit the occasion:
My only fault is that I'm perfect. :-)

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:
 No.

 The publisher *changed their mind* about selling an electronic edition
 and retroactively deleted the copies that had been sold.

 Think about this in context of news or political writing.

I just read the article again. The phrase changed their mind does
not occur there. That came from something David Mann had read the
other day but didn't state where.

Remember that Amazon is a portal through which bookstores can sell
their products. Amazon is skittish about copyright infringements by
individual stores because the owner of the distribution rights may sue
Amazon for not taking action against the bootleg copies. You can't
blame them for reacting, can you? In the sense of protecting their
business, I mean.

However it's a novelty that they collect the sold item by erasing it
from the customer's e-reader. As end-users we normally think ourselves
morally impeccable if we have bought stolen goods in Good Faith, and
are thereby entitled to keep what we have paid for. So again, I
empathise with those who had their books deleted from their readers.
It's not what they expected.

But everyone who buys a Kindle automatically agrees to buying all
their literature through Amazon, and the small type actually requests
the buyer's conscent to Amazon doing this sort of thing, iirc.

I really hope that Google's anticipated e-reader will not be
constrained in this way.

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:
 The thing to think about is whether or not one wants to do business with
 a company like that.

Oh, absolutely! :-)
That's why I don't have a Kindle.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but I tend to think that one gets what one has
paid for by buying into Amazon's scheme.

Jostein


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RE: OT: Down the memory hole ...

Not quite, because the police can seize the stolen goods, or order you to
return or, in this case delete, them. At which point you're obliged to carry
out their instructions if you wish to retain a lilywhite conscience and a
clean record. 

You are not even entitled to your money back - I think you would have to sue
the seller for it.

Bob


 
 But isn't that the point?
 1. You shouldn't keep stolen goods.
 2. Noone can enter your property and take it back.
 Ergo you can keep it, and for moral soothing you claim good faith.
 
 But impeccable it is not, that's true... :-)
 
 Jostein
 
 2009/7/19 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
   from the customer's e-reader. As end-users we normally 
 think ourselves
  morally impeccable if we have bought stolen goods in Good 
 Faith, and
  are thereby entitled to keep what we have paid for. So again, I
 
  In English law you have no right to keep stolen goods, 
 however morally
  impeccable you consider yourself to be. On the other hand, 
 neither the
  rightful owner, nor the seller, can enter your property and 
 seize the stolen
  goods.
 
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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

2009-07-19 Thread Graydon

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 01:51:15PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:
2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:
No.

The publisher *changed their mind* about selling an electronic edition
and retroactively deleted the copies that had been sold.

Think about this in context of news or political writing.

I just read the article again. The phrase changed their mind does
not occur there. That came from something David Mann had read the
other day but didn't state where.

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/some-e-books-are-more-equal-than-others/

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.htmlOQ=_rQ3D1OP=184b8f9dQ2FQ27Q7BwQ20Q27)cW5Q26ccrLQ27L11vQ271(Q27t7Q27rwWJmcIc49Q27WcAnQ5Dm!w5Q27t7Q5DAQ5DQ24cmDJrAI

Remember that Amazon is a portal through which bookstores can sell
their products.

Remember that Amazon has no detectable business ethics, spent the first
couple-three years of its existence spamming relentlessly, and has no
particular track record of telling the truth. Unauthorized covers a
lot of ground.

But everyone who buys a Kindle automatically agrees to buying all
their literature through Amazon, and the small type actually requests
the buyer's conscent to Amazon doing this sort of thing, iirc.

Oh, I'm sure it's strictly legal, at least in the US.

The thing to think about is whether or not one wants to do business with
a company like that.

I really hope that Google's anticipated e-reader will not be
constrained in this way.

There are a number of good, or at least acceptable, readers already, and
the general netbook trend is going to improve that; the problem is
reasonably priced electronic editions in stable formats.

I think it likely that Google has plans to push for the later, too, but
keep in mind that Google is an advertising company, with all that this
implies.

-- Graydon

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Re: GESO: More kayak racing

Nice work. Looks like a lot of fun. Where on the island did this take  
place?

Paul
On Jul 19, 2009, at 5:49 AM, David Mann wrote:


It was a win-win situation for me this morning.

The weather forecast was for southerly gales, rain and snow down to  
500 metres elevation.  Would not have been conducive to going out to  
take pictures.


I looked out the window just after 7:00 this morning, thinking if  
it's raining I go back to bed and have a nice sleep in.  Hmm.  Not  
a cloud in sight.  Well that's the Met Service for you, I'd listened  
to that forecast not 5 minutes earlier.  Taking pictures it is (I  
was actually hoping for a sleep in, but I'll call it a win anyway).


We actually had a beautiful sunny day today.  Blue sky, no wind.   
Not even a frost, which is what blue-sky-no-wind mornings usually  
bring at this time of year.


On the down side, transport arrangements conspired against me and I  
had to leave the long lenses at home.  My kit today was the K10D  
with FA*24, FA 100 macro and FA*200 lenses.  Still pining for an  
80-200 f/2.8 zoom.


http://www.multisport.net.nz/photos/259-2009-07-19-brass-monkey-race-3.html 



I was shooting into the sun quite a lot, not really much I could do  
about that.  But at least I had some sun this time.  Some of the  
pics need to be bigger to work well but I'm limited by the site  
template.


The photo of the guy taking a swim was a lucky grab shot.  I'd just  
arrived at the riverside after walking a couple of hundred metres  
across the empty riverbed when I saw him tip over.  I only took 1  
photo as I wanted to make sure he didn't need help.  A fellow who  
took a dip in the previous race had to be resuscitated and is lucky  
to still be alive today.  The camera handled the exposure very well  
but it took me a while to bring the dynamic range under control in  
Photoshop.


My usual lessons: I still find editing very difficult.  This gallery  
is really on the limit length-wise but there were some photos (and  
one combination) that really appealed to me for various reasons.  I  
also need more practice at post-processing.


Cheers,
Dave

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RE: OT: Down the memory hole ...

  from the customer's e-reader. As end-users we normally think ourselves
 morally impeccable if we have bought stolen goods in Good Faith, and
 are thereby entitled to keep what we have paid for. So again, I

In English law you have no right to keep stolen goods, however morally
impeccable you consider yourself to be. On the other hand, neither the
rightful owner, nor the seller, can enter your property and seize the stolen
goods. 

Bob 

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 Behalf Of AlunFoto
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 Subject: Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...
 
 2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:
  No.
 
  The publisher *changed their mind* about selling an 
 electronic edition
  and retroactively deleted the copies that had been sold.
 
  Think about this in context of news or political writing.
 
 I just read the article again. The phrase changed their mind does
 not occur there. That came from something David Mann had read the
 other day but didn't state where.
 
 Remember that Amazon is a portal through which bookstores can sell
 their products. Amazon is skittish about copyright infringements by
 individual stores because the owner of the distribution rights may sue
 Amazon for not taking action against the bootleg copies. You can't
 blame them for reacting, can you? In the sense of protecting their
 business, I mean.
 
 However it's a novelty that they collect the sold item by erasing it
 from the customer's e-reader. As end-users we normally think ourselves
 morally impeccable if we have bought stolen goods in Good Faith, and
 are thereby entitled to keep what we have paid for. So again, I
 empathise with those who had their books deleted from their readers.
 It's not what they expected.
 
 But everyone who buys a Kindle automatically agrees to buying all
 their literature through Amazon, and the small type actually requests
 the buyer's conscent to Amazon doing this sort of thing, iirc.
 
 I really hope that Google's anticipated e-reader will not be
 constrained in this way.
 
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Re: GESO: More kayak racing

2009-07-19 Thread Bob Sullivan

Dave,
These are your best pictures so far.
Good light is clearly your friend.  :-)
I liked many of the people shots.
Their faces and expressions were clearly visible.
And some of the pre-race staging shots helped tell the story.
Plus I liked the artistic ones with the racer on the water with
mountains in the background.
It's beautiful country.
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:49 AM, David Manndm...@bluemoon.net.nz wrote:
 It was a win-win situation for me this morning.

 The weather forecast was for southerly gales, rain and snow down to 500
 metres elevation.  Would not have been conducive to going out to take
 pictures.

 I looked out the window just after 7:00 this morning, thinking if it's
 raining I go back to bed and have a nice sleep in.  Hmm.  Not a cloud in
 sight.  Well that's the Met Service for you, I'd listened to that forecast
 not 5 minutes earlier.  Taking pictures it is (I was actually hoping for a
 sleep in, but I'll call it a win anyway).

 We actually had a beautiful sunny day today.  Blue sky, no wind.  Not even a
 frost, which is what blue-sky-no-wind mornings usually bring at this time of
 year.

 On the down side, transport arrangements conspired against me and I had to
 leave the long lenses at home.  My kit today was the K10D with FA*24, FA 100
 macro and FA*200 lenses.  Still pining for an 80-200 f/2.8 zoom.

 http://www.multisport.net.nz/photos/259-2009-07-19-brass-monkey-race-3.html

 I was shooting into the sun quite a lot, not really much I could do about
 that.  But at least I had some sun this time.  Some of the pics need to be
 bigger to work well but I'm limited by the site template.

 The photo of the guy taking a swim was a lucky grab shot.  I'd just arrived
 at the riverside after walking a couple of hundred metres across the empty
 riverbed when I saw him tip over.  I only took 1 photo as I wanted to make
 sure he didn't need help.  A fellow who took a dip in the previous race had
 to be resuscitated and is lucky to still be alive today.  The camera handled
 the exposure very well but it took me a while to bring the dynamic range
 under control in Photoshop.

 My usual lessons: I still find editing very difficult.  This gallery is
 really on the limit length-wise but there were some photos (and one
 combination) that really appealed to me for various reasons.  I also need
 more practice at post-processing.

 Cheers,
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Re: Minor enablement

Yep I'm using mine. In fact me and the 393 are going camping right
after I've sent this post. I've got a couple of white throated dippers
with a child waiting for me :-)
I'm using mine mainly with a Tamron adaptall x 1,7, my BigK
(K-500/4,5) or the DA* 300.

Overall I think it does a pretty good job. I have also tried the
Wimberly, kindly lent from a PDML lurker, hi Kaffilars :-)
I think the Wimberly is slightly better on panning. Except from this I
find them equal in performance. And equal with Wimberly means very
good :-)

I'm convinced you will find that it will improve the sharpness of your
photos. To hell with work, just go out there and shoot :-)


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2009/7/19 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 Hi Tim

 I'ne only tried it to see what it's like, unfortunately,  because pressure of 
 work has prevented me doing any bird photography lately. I was suitably 
 impressed with it though, the longest lens I have is the DA* 300/4 fitted 
 with 1.4, 1.5 or 1.7x TC. I'm hoping the 393 will help me with sharper images 
 when SR is not so effective due to using one of the TC's. Initial tests 
 proved it to be quite effective even when used with 300mm + 1.7 TC down to 
 1/125 sec. I'm hopimg to return to Mere Sands Wood (Kingfisher territory) and 
 try it someday soon.

 Are you still using yours? How do you find it?

 Regards,

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

But isn't that the point?
1. You shouldn't keep stolen goods.
2. Noone can enter your property and take it back.
Ergo you can keep it, and for moral soothing you claim good faith.

But impeccable it is not, that's true... :-)

Jostein

2009/7/19 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
  from the customer's e-reader. As end-users we normally think ourselves
 morally impeccable if we have bought stolen goods in Good Faith, and
 are thereby entitled to keep what we have paid for. So again, I

 In English law you have no right to keep stolen goods, however morally
 impeccable you consider yourself to be. On the other hand, neither the
 rightful owner, nor the seller, can enter your property and seize the stolen
 goods.

 Bob

 -Original Message-
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 Subject: Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

 2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:
  No.
 
  The publisher *changed their mind* about selling an
 electronic edition
  and retroactively deleted the copies that had been sold.
 
  Think about this in context of news or political writing.

 I just read the article again. The phrase changed their mind does
 not occur there. That came from something David Mann had read the
 other day but didn't state where.

 Remember that Amazon is a portal through which bookstores can sell
 their products. Amazon is skittish about copyright infringements by
 individual stores because the owner of the distribution rights may sue
 Amazon for not taking action against the bootleg copies. You can't
 blame them for reacting, can you? In the sense of protecting their
 business, I mean.

 However it's a novelty that they collect the sold item by erasing it
 from the customer's e-reader. As end-users we normally think ourselves
 morally impeccable if we have bought stolen goods in Good Faith, and
 are thereby entitled to keep what we have paid for. So again, I
 empathise with those who had their books deleted from their readers.
 It's not what they expected.

 But everyone who buys a Kindle automatically agrees to buying all
 their literature through Amazon, and the small type actually requests
 the buyer's conscent to Amazon doing this sort of thing, iirc.

 I really hope that Google's anticipated e-reader will not be
 constrained in this way.

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Re: Pentax 67 and AF400T

2009-07-19 Thread Bob Sullivan

Jostein,
Pay sharp attention at a party thrown by the professor, I think.
Regards, Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:12 AM, AlunFotoalunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/7/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
 Killing some time this afternoon, I took in a matinée showing of the new
 Harry Potter film. There's a scene of a party where a magic photographer is
 wandering around taking photos of the guests. Looked like they used a Pentax
 67 with an AF499T strobe as the prop.

 We have tickets for tomorrow night. I'll see if I can spot it.

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

The works were distributed in violation of copyright. It wasn't just a  
case of someone changing their mind. Amazon had to pull the plug on  
them.

Paul
On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:30 AM, Graydon wrote:


On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:20:26AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:

So this particular Amazon contributor had apparently scanned the book
themselves. As such is an illegitimate digtialisation, and they are
breaking copyright. No wonder Amazon would call the purchases back. I
empathise with those who had their books deleted from their readers,
though.


No.

The publisher *changed their mind* about selling an electronic edition
and retroactively deleted the copies that had been sold.

Think about this in context of news or political writing.

-- Graydon

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RE: OT: Down the memory hole ...


 2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:
  The thing to think about is whether or not one wants to do 
 business with
  a company like that.
 
 Oh, absolutely! :-)
 That's why I don't have a Kindle.
 
 Maybe I'm too cynical, but I tend to think that one gets what one has
 paid for by buying into Amazon's scheme.
 
 Jostein

I have downloaded a couple of dictionaries onto my phone/pda from this
company:
http://www.mobipocket.com/en/HomePage/default.asp?Language=EN

They seem to have all the Orwell anyone could want, including 1984:
http://www.mobipocket.com/en/eBooks/searchebooks.asp?Language=ENsearchStr=g
eorge+orwellsearchType=Alllang=ENorderBy=best

I had read everything by Orwell before I was 18 years old. Well worth it. 

I have no interest in reading narratives on electronic devices. They're
excellent for dictionaries though - it means I can sit in a cafe reading a
real French book or magazine without having to cart a 2-volume 750,000 word
printed dictionary around with me.

Bob


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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

2009-07-19 Thread Subash

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:08:55 +0100
Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:


 I have downloaded a couple of dictionaries onto my phone/pda from this
 company:
 http://www.mobipocket.com/en/HomePage/default.asp?Language=EN
 
 They seem to have all the Orwell anyone could want, including 1984:
 http://www.mobipocket.com/en/eBooks/searchebooks.asp?Language=ENsearchStr=g
 eorge+orwellsearchType=Alllang=ENorderBy=best

i am sure you have heard of project gutenberg
(http://www.gutenberg.org). plenty of copyright-expired books in text
format. like you i am not really a fan of e-books or e-readers but spare
time and broadband at work and a vast array of texts
at one's fingertips can sometimes lead one astray :-)

 
 I had read everything by Orwell before I was 18 years old. Well worth
 it. 

not *everything* but most. by the time i was 21 ;-) 

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

I do quite a bit of freelance work for amazon.com. While I've found
that they're extremely cautious about legal matters and contract
agreements, they are also scrupulously honest when it comes to
compensation and agreements. I can't say the same about all of my
clients. I think amazon.com has become a solid corporate citizen, and
I enjoy doing business with them, both as a contractor and a customer.

Paul
On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Graydon wrote:

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 01:51:15PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:

2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:

No.

The publisher *changed their mind* about selling an electronic
edition

and retroactively deleted the copies that had been sold.

Think about this in context of news or political writing.

I just read the article again. The phrase changed their mind does
not occur there. That came from something David Mann had read the
other day but didn't state where.

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/some-e-books-are-more-equal-than-others/

Remember that Amazon is a portal through which bookstores can sell
their products.

Remember that Amazon has no detectable business ethics, spent the
first

couple-three years of its existence spamming relentlessly, and has no
particular track record of telling the truth. Unauthorized covers a
lot of ground.

But everyone who buys a Kindle automatically agrees to buying all
their literature through Amazon, and the small type actually requests
the buyer's conscent to Amazon doing this sort of thing, iirc.

Oh, I'm sure it's strictly legal, at least in the US.

The thing to think about is whether or not one wants to do business
with

a company like that.

I really hope that Google's anticipated e-reader will not be
constrained in this way.

There are a number of good, or at least acceptable, readers already,
and

the general netbook trend is going to improve that; the problem is
reasonably priced electronic editions in stable formats.

I think it likely that Google has plans to push for the later, too,
but

keep in mind that Google is an advertising company, with all that this
implies.

-- Graydon

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Re: K7 Frame Counting

2009-07-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

Sun Jul 19 04:38:22 CDT 2009
AlunFoto wrote:

 2009/7/19 John Sessoms jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com:
  From: AlunFoto
 
  But then again, I've already been wrong once.
 
  If it's only been once, you're doing a lot better than I am.
 
 LOL.
 
 Not my quote, but seems to fit the occasion:
 My only fault is that I'm perfect. :-)
 
 Jostein

... and you're a man!  [*]
:-)

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RE: Published in Canada (Was: Any photo professors here?)

2009-07-19 Thread Desjardins, Steve

Very nice, both in terms of composition and subject.

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Very nice, very colorful photos, Bong; and congrats on their publication.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Tue, 7/14/09, Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com wrote:

 Momentarily popping out of my lurking
 hole to catch a breath of air;
 one of the things keeping me preoccupied is an offer to
 teach
 photography in a local university--thus my query
 earlier.  That's
 still in the works--don't hold your breath.  In the
 meantime, I almost
 forgot to mention that I got published in Toronto. 
 Check the online
 version:
 
 http://www.nayonmagazine.com/nayonSI/flash.html#/1/
 http://www.nayonmagazine.com/nayonSI/flash.html#/10/
 
 It's a tourist magazine promoting the Philippines aimed at
 Filipinos
 residing in Canada; I wrote the text around half of the
 photos.  I
 share the photo credits with another Pentaxian (Roland
 Roldan).
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Need some help deciding on photo submissions

I'm starting to make my cuts for this years contest and i could use
some help in deciding on two categories.

Special Effect.(BW category)

I usually enter an IR shot, and this year is no exception. I have
these in mind, links more or less in order of what i think, what say
you all.:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3728482401/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3723267887/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3639973164/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2822238794/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2631795250

(I may think about using the IR tree and barn as a Tree submission as well.)


Trees.(BW category)

Its pretty hard to come up with something out of the norm, which is
what they look for, but i have narrowed down to these.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9047292
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9146994
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9282123
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8514555



Thanks for any and all input

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Re: K7 Frame Counting

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Cottycotty...@mac.com wrote:


 But then again, I've already been wrong once.

 If it's only been once, you're doing a lot better than I am.

The Norwegian school system is better than ours.

 Apparently they enjoy a strict routine of discipline :-)

That, and they HAVE  a system.

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Re: An actually on-topic G1 note


Bob W wrote:

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Adam Maasa...@mawz.ca wrote:


Just tried a Super-Takumar 35/3.5 on my G1, and while playing about
found to my not-entire surprise that the hood for a ST 105/2.8 does
not vignette with the 35/3.5 on a G1.
  

That sounds about right. Note that the B+W Tele hood does not vignette
with a 40mm lens either ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Panasonic_G1-Konica_40.jpg



It's because when you put the 105mm hood on a 4/3rds lens the focal length
becomes 210mm, ain't that right Bill?

Bob
  

I'm sure Bill appreciates you thinking about him.

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RE: OT ? craigslist lsiting of possible interest here

I dunno'. You crank up a chain saw at GFM, and it's likely to attract 
unwanted attention.


From: Bob W
d'uh! How else are you gonna stuff the bodies down the drains? 


Actually the noise of the chainsaw is what matters. It drowns out the noise
of the traffic so you can sleep at night. Chainsaws are well known for their
somniferous sound properties in cities. I don't know if any experiments on
this have been conducted outside the city though, say on top of a mountain
where the sounds carry in a different way. Someone should test that.

Bob


 
 That is a bit disturbing, I can't think of any reason you'd need a 
 chainsaw in NYC.
 
 ann sanfedele wrote:

 
  http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/wan/1276141774.html
 
  ann
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Re: OT ? craigslist lsiting of possible interest here

2009-07-19 Thread ann sanfedele


Ok you guys, nothing like having to explain jokes...
I guess I should have just sent it to a select few who  remeber certain 
times at GFM :-)
I was just making a joke on Brooksies nickname  - though he'd like some 
work


sigh
ann

John Sessoms wrote:

I dunno'. You crank up a chain saw at GFM, and it's likely to attract 
unwanted attention.


From: Bob W


d'uh! How else are you gonna stuff the bodies down the drains?
Actually the noise of the chainsaw is what matters. It drowns out the 
noise
of the traffic so you can sleep at night. Chainsaws are well known 
for their
somniferous sound properties in cities. I don't know if any 
experiments on
this have been conducted outside the city though, say on top of a 
mountain

where the sounds carry in a different way. Someone should test that.

Bob


  That is a bit disturbing, I can't think of any reason you'd need 
a  chainsaw in NYC.

  ann sanfedele wrote:


 
  http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/wan/1276141774.html
 
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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...


From: AlunFoto

2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:

 No.

 The publisher *changed their mind* about selling an electronic edition
 and retroactively deleted the copies that had been sold.

 Think about this in context of news or political writing.


I just read the article again. The phrase changed their mind does
not occur there. That came from something David Mann had read the
other day but didn't state where.

Remember that Amazon is a portal through which bookstores can sell
their products. Amazon is skittish about copyright infringements by
individual stores because the owner of the distribution rights may sue
Amazon for not taking action against the bootleg copies. You can't
blame them for reacting, can you? In the sense of protecting their
business, I mean.



I remember a long argument somewhere here or in usenet about what my 
responsibility was at the photolab regarding customers who came in to 
make copies of copyrighted images. Under the DMCA, it's the equipment 
owner who's financially liable for any infringement. The penalties are 
quite draconian.


I suggested anyone who shoots weddings and provides the couple with a CD 
of the images to print their own should include a copyright release.


I was roundly condemned for being a bad cop, and informed it was not 
my job to enforce bad laws.




However it's a novelty that they collect the sold item by erasing it
from the customer's e-reader. As end-users we normally think ourselves
morally impeccable if we have bought stolen goods in Good Faith, and
are thereby entitled to keep what we have paid for. So again, I
empathise with those who had their books deleted from their readers.
It's not what they expected.

But everyone who buys a Kindle automatically agrees to buying all
their literature through Amazon, and the small type actually requests
the buyer's conscent to Amazon doing this sort of thing, iirc.



According to the article, the small type DOES NOT spell out that Amazon 
can delete purchased items.


Amazon's run into criticism before because what the small type says 
does not agree with what Amazon does.




I really hope that Google's anticipated e-reader will not be
constrained in this way.

Jostein


I think I'll stick with my old, beat up, dog eared paperbacks.

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RE: OT ? craigslist lsiting of possible interest here

Console yourself, Ann, with the thought that all those people completely
missing the reference has given me a good deal of amusement.

Bob

 
 Ok you guys, nothing like having to explain jokes...
 I guess I should have just sent it to a select few who  
 remeber certain 
 times at GFM :-)
 I was just making a joke on Brooksies nickname  - though he'd 
 like some 
 work
 
 sigh
 ann
 
 John Sessoms wrote:
 
  I dunno'. You crank up a chain saw at GFM, and it's likely 
 to attract 
  unwanted attention.
 
  From: Bob W
 
  d'uh! How else are you gonna stuff the bodies down the drains?
  Actually the noise of the chainsaw is what matters. It 
 drowns out the 
  noise
  of the traffic so you can sleep at night. Chainsaws are well known 
  for their
  somniferous sound properties in cities. I don't know if any 
  experiments on
  this have been conducted outside the city though, say on top of a 
  mountain
  where the sounds carry in a different way. Someone should 
 test that.
 
  Bob
 
 
That is a bit disturbing, I can't think of any reason 
 you'd need 
  a  chainsaw in NYC.
ann sanfedele wrote:
 
   
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/wan/1276141774.html
   
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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

I have actually received stolen goods, once that I know of.  It was an 
interstate transaction through e-bay.  The original owner through their 
local police informed me that I could keep the item as long as I signed 
an affidavit, effectively written testimony, against the illegal seller 
who was also the thief. As a practical matter if an item is of low 
enough value it costs more to get it back from an unwilling party than 
it's worth.  Receiving stolen property isn't a criminal offense unless 
the buyer knowingly receives it, otherwise it then becomes a civil 
matter.  It may be a moral problem for the buyer, or not, I guess.  As 
they say possession is nine tenths of the law. I didn't have that 
problem, the rightful owner gave me permission to keep it.


Bob W wrote:

Not quite, because the police can seize the stolen goods, or order you to
return or, in this case delete, them. At which point you're obliged to carry
out their instructions if you wish to retain a lilywhite conscience and a
clean record. 


You are not even entitled to your money back - I think you would have to sue
the seller for it.

Bob


  

But isn't that the point?
1. You shouldn't keep stolen goods.
2. Noone can enter your property and take it back.
Ergo you can keep it, and for moral soothing you claim good faith.

But impeccable it is not, that's true... :-)

Jostein

2009/7/19 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

from the customer's e-reader. As end-users we normally 
  

think ourselves

morally impeccable if we have bought stolen goods in Good 


Faith, and


are thereby entitled to keep what we have paid for. So again, I

In English law you have no right to keep stolen goods, 
  

however morally

impeccable you consider yourself to be. On the other hand, 
  

neither the

rightful owner, nor the seller, can enter your property and 
  

seize the stolen


goods.

Bob
  




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Re: Lacquer for prints?

2009-07-19 Thread Brendan MacRae

Thanks, Christine! I hadn't seen any of those brands as of yet. I'll check them 
out.

- Original Message 
 From: Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:13:27 PM
 Subject: Re: Lacquer for prints?

 Hi Brendan:  I found this on p. 266 in the book 301 Inkjet Tips and 
 Techniques 
 by Andrew Darlow:

 If you are creating work that will be handled regularly, like that found in 
 a 
 limited edition portfolio or book, it's generally a good idea to protect your 
 prints with a protective coating. . . . There are three non-yellowing 
 solvent-based lacquer sprays . . . to protect fine art [inkjet] prints: 
 PremierArt Print Shield, Lyson Printguard,  Lascaux Fixative.  First two 
 contain UV inhibitors and all of them can protect against fading and airborne 
 contaminants, as well as scuffing, fingerprints, and scratching.

 For glossy and semi-gloss prints, PremierArt Print Shield and Lyson 
 Printguard 
 can increase the Dmax and color intensity of prints.  [The author's]  
 procedure 
 is to use UV inhibitors for color work, and if needed, Lascaux for monochrome 
 work where Dmax is more critical.

 When using solvent sprays, it is imperative that you wear a safety-approved 
 charcoal filtered respirator and eye goggles, and have proper ventilation. 
 [The 
 author uses a respirator] made by MSA Safety Works and costs about $30. It 
 meets 
 OSHA and NIOSH requirements for safety.

 I've never done any of the above, but if you email Andrew Darlow, I bet he'd 
 elaborate on this advice.  imag...@andrewdarlow.com  his web site 
 www.inkjettips.com.

 HTH  Cheers, Christine

 - Original Message - From: Brendan MacRae 

 To: pdml 
 Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:04 AM
 Subject: Lacquer for prints?

  I would like to put some kind of protective finish on a couple recent 
  prints 
 I've made on Epson's Ultra Smooth Fine Art Paper. Does anyone have a 
 recommendation for a lacquer of some kind? I've tried a matte Krylon for 
 artwork 
 but it sprays unevenly, good finish, but impossible to apply correctly.

  -Brendan

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Re: Pentax 67 and AF400T


From: Bob Sullivan

Jostein,
Pay sharp attention at a party thrown by the professor, I think.
Regards, Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:12 AM, AlunFotoalunf...@gmail.com wrote:

 2009/7/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

 Killing some time this afternoon, I took in a matin?e showing of the new
 Harry Potter film. There's a scene of a party where a magic photographer is
 wandering around taking photos of the guests. Looked like they used a Pentax
 67 with an AF499T strobe as the prop.


 We have tickets for tomorrow night. I'll see if I can spot it.

 Jostein


That's the party.

What I saw was fleeting glimpse of the prism housing and a potato masher 
type flash. When my brain caught up with my eyes it was too late to 
confirm it, but it looked like a Pentax 67. Forewarned is forearmed.


I ain't going back to see it again. I'll wait for the DVD.

I can't believe what it costs to go to a movie theater now-a-days.

It was $6.50 for a matinee ticket AFTER senior citizen discount; a small 
popcorn was $6.85  a small drink was $5.85. I got the popcorn and not 
the drink - soft drinks are nothing but sugar and water, and the sugar 
makes them go right through me. I'd end up missing half the movie going 
to the loo.


I overheard a guy standing behind me in the concessions line telling 
someone that by the time he took his girlfriend and her two kids to a 
movie it cost $60.


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Re: Lacquer for prints?

2009-07-19 Thread Brendan MacRae

Almost never applied to photographs?

http://www.lacquer-mat.com/index.html

-Brendan


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 Subject: Re: Lacquer for prints?
 
 That's probably because coatings are almost never applied to photographs.
 Paul

These guys might disagree with you:

http://www.lacquer-mat.com/index.html

These guys specialize in coatings for photographs.

-Brendan


  

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

2009-07-19 Thread Graydon

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:06:28AM -0400, John Sessoms scripsit:
 I think I'll stick with my old, beat up, dog eared paperbacks.

They get heavy.

E-paper, especially if they can get the refresh time down, is entirely
good enough as a reading surface, and having the one comms terminal to
read stuff on that happens to have an entire searchable (you can't grep
dead goats) reference library *and* a couple hundred stuck-in-airports
books on it is very convenient.

There are even attractive things about not having to cut down trees to
publish a book.  But hardly anyone currently in the book business is
seeing this as an opportunity rather than a problem.  (Amazon sees it as
an opportunity to lock in an entire new sales channel, so that it will
be theirs forever.)

-- Graydon

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GESO: I'm a grand-dad

2009-07-19 Thread Charles Robinson


I feel old.

I was online at about 5:30 this morning when my son-in-law popped up  
in a chat window and told me that it looked like things were  
happening...


My wife hustled over at 6 (she's a doula and was planning to help  
out), I took my time because in our family, labor takes a LONG TIME.


I got there at 7:30am, kid popped out about half an hour later.  WOW.

My daughter had asked me earlier to take pictures, so I did.   Quite  
an experience.


http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2009/evan_birth/index.html

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RE: GESO: I'm a grand-dad

Wonderful stuff - congratulations!

Bob 


 
 I feel old.
 
 I was online at about 5:30 this morning when my son-in-law popped up  
 in a chat window and told me that it looked like things were  
 happening...
 
 My wife hustled over at 6 (she's a doula and was planning to help  
 out), I took my time because in our family, labor takes a LONG TIME.
 
 I got there at 7:30am, kid popped out about half an hour later.  WOW.
 
 My daughter had asked me earlier to take pictures, so I did.   Quite  
 an experience.
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2009/evan_birth/index.html
 
   -Charles



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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

2009-07-19 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: John Sessoms

Subject: Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

I remember a long argument somewhere here or in usenet about what my 
responsibility was at the photolab regarding customers who came in to make 
copies of copyrighted images. Under the DMCA, it's the equipment owner 
who's financially liable for any infringement. The penalties are quite 
draconian.

I suggested anyone who shoots weddings and provides the couple with a CD 
of the images to print their own should include a copyright release.

I was roundly condemned for being a bad cop, and informed it was not my 
job to enforce bad laws.

Bad law or not, if you don't enforce it, you will, ultimately, take a hit 
for it.
Interestingly, and I believe I've mentioned this before, a lot of the 
problems you guys have with copyright isn't the DMCA, it's who you grant 
ownership to.
It's ludicrous that a photographer can claim ownership of something he was 
hired to make, and paid, often very expensively, in full for making. It's 
like Joe Airwrench claiming ownership of my truck because he bolted the 
driver's side front wheel onto it.

William Robb

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Re: Need some help deciding on photo submissions


I think I'd go with this one.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2822238794/

It's well composed and I don't remember seeing a lot of animals, (except 
for humans), in IR photos which might help sway the judges.


David J Brooks wrote:

I'm starting to make my cuts for this years contest and i could use
some help in deciding on two categories.

Special Effect.(BW category)

I usually enter an IR shot, and this year is no exception. I have
these in mind, links more or less in order of what i think, what say
you all.:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3728482401/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3723267887/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3639973164/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2822238794/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2631795250

(I may think about using the IR tree and barn as a Tree submission as well.)


Trees.(BW category)

Its pretty hard to come up with something out of the norm, which is
what they look for, but i have narrowed down to these.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9047292
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9146994
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9282123
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8514555



Thanks for any and all input

Dave

  



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Re: OT ? craigslist lsiting of possible interest here

Oh, I got the reference, Brooks is notorious.  I was just referencing a 
different mem in the collective consciousness. 


Bob W wrote:

Console yourself, Ann, with the thought that all those people completely
missing the reference has given me a good deal of amusement.

Bob

  

Ok you guys, nothing like having to explain jokes...
I guess I should have just sent it to a select few who  
remeber certain 
times at GFM :-)
I was just making a joke on Brooksies nickname  - though he'd 
like some 
work


sigh
ann

John Sessoms wrote:


I dunno'. You crank up a chain saw at GFM, and it's likely 
  
to attract 


unwanted attention.

From: Bob W

  

d'uh! How else are you gonna stuff the bodies down the drains?
Actually the noise of the chainsaw is what matters. It 

drowns out the 


noise
of the traffic so you can sleep at night. Chainsaws are well known 
for their
somniferous sound properties in cities. I don't know if any 
experiments on
this have been conducted outside the city though, say on top of a 
mountain
where the sounds carry in a different way. Someone should 


test that.


Bob



That is a bit disturbing, I can't think of any reason 
  
you'd need 


a  chainsaw in NYC.
  

ann sanfedele wrote:
  

http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/wan/1276141774.html

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

I refuse to use proprietary distribution formats because it locks you 
into one vendor.  Baen Books, a publisher of Science Fiction offers 
their books in HTML format,  (and a few others as well), but you can 
read them in any browser, and they can't reach into your machine and 
erase something you've already purchased.  Not all of their catalog is 
electronic of course, but a fare amount is, and they supply a number of 
titles for reading on line or download for free in their free library.  
I don't know if it's happened yet but if it hasn't it's only a matter of 
time before someone hacks a kindel to produce unauthorized copies of 
downloaded books, not because there's any money in it, but just to do it...


Graydon wrote:

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:06:28AM -0400, John Sessoms scripsit:
  

I think I'll stick with my old, beat up, dog eared paperbacks.



They get heavy.

E-paper, especially if they can get the refresh time down, is entirely
good enough as a reading surface, and having the one comms terminal to
read stuff on that happens to have an entire searchable (you can't grep
dead goats) reference library *and* a couple hundred stuck-in-airports
books on it is very convenient.

There are even attractive things about not having to cut down trees to
publish a book.  But hardly anyone currently in the book business is
seeing this as an opportunity rather than a problem.  (Amazon sees it as
an opportunity to lock in an entire new sales channel, so that it will
be theirs forever.)

-- Graydon

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Re: GESO: I'm a grand-dad

2009-07-19 Thread Cotty

On 19/7/09, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:

I feel old.

I was online at about 5:30 this morning when my son-in-law popped up
in a chat window and told me that it looked like things were
happening...

My wife hustled over at 6 (she's a doula and was planning to help
out), I took my time because in our family, labor takes a LONG TIME.

I got there at 7:30am, kid popped out about half an hour later.  WOW.

My daughter had asked me earlier to take pictures, so I did.   Quite
an experience.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2009/evan_birth/index.html

Great set of pics, Charles. Congratulations!

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Re: GESO: I'm a grand-dad

2009-07-19 Thread gldnbearz

Congratulations, Charles.  A nice collection of images there.

- Pat

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com wrote:
 I feel old.

 I was online at about 5:30 this morning when my son-in-law popped up in a
 chat window and told me that it looked like things were happening...

 My wife hustled over at 6 (she's a doula and was planning to help out), I
 took my time because in our family, labor takes a LONG TIME.

 I got there at 7:30am, kid popped out about half an hour later.  WOW.

 My daughter had asked me earlier to take pictures, so I did.   Quite an
 experience.

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2009/evan_birth/index.html

  -Charles

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Re: GESO: I'm a grand-dad

2009-07-19 Thread Jack Davis

I recommend the position of Grand-Dad. Congratulations!

Jack

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 From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com
 Subject: Re: GESO: I'm a grand-dad
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 9:39 AM
 On 19/7/09, Charles Robinson,
 discombobulated, unleashed:

 I feel old.

 I was online at about 5:30 this morning when my
 son-in-law popped up
 in a chat window and told me that it looked like things
 were
 happening...

 My wife hustled over at 6 (she's a doula and was
 planning to help
 out), I took my time because in our family, labor takes
 a LONG TIME.

 I got there at 7:30am, kid popped out about half an
 hour later.  WOW.

 My daughter had asked me earlier to take pictures, so I
 did.   Quite
 an experience.

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2009/evan_birth/index.html

 Great set of pics, Charles. Congratulations!

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Re: Need some help deciding on photo submissions

2009-07-19 Thread ann sanfedele


well I'm um stumped...

good point, PJ  -  
dave - so hard to decide... I love the stump because it really renders 
the leaves more realisticly than a regular
bw shot and has such a glow about it... like the horsies and PJ makes a 
good point... but horse on the right on my
screen is a bit lacking in detail -- too dark?  but maybe just my 
monitor  and me


The tree in field is classic - but maybe a reason not to use it... (like 
avoiding sunsets for competition)


2 cents

ann

P. J. Alling wrote:


I think I'd go with this one.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2822238794/

It's well composed and I don't remember seeing a lot of animals, 
(except for humans), in IR photos which might help sway the judges.


David J Brooks wrote:


I'm starting to make my cuts for this years contest and i could use
some help in deciding on two categories.

Special Effect.(BW category)

I usually enter an IR shot, and this year is no exception. I have
these in mind, links more or less in order of what i think, what say
you all.:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3728482401/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3723267887/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3639973164/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2822238794/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2631795250

(I may think about using the IR tree and barn as a Tree submission as 
well.)



Trees.(BW category)

Its pretty hard to come up with something out of the norm, which is
what they look for, but i have narrowed down to these.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9047292
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9146994
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9282123
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8514555



Thanks for any and all input

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

2009-07-19 Thread John Francis

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 02:02:43PM +0200, AlunFoto wrote:
 2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:
  The thing to think about is whether or not one wants to do business with
  a company like that.
 
 Oh, absolutely! :-)
 That's why I don't have a Kindle.
 
 Maybe I'm too cynical, but I tend to think that one gets what one has
 paid for by buying into Amazon's scheme.
 
 Jostein

I find it amusing (although, sadly, in no way surprising) that much of
the anger here is being directed against Amazon - a company who acted
to preserve intellectual property rights - and not against the lowlife
who illegally sold the infringing copies.


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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...


William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...




I remember a long argument somewhere here or in usenet about what my 
responsibility was at the photolab regarding customers who came in to 
make copies of copyrighted images. Under the DMCA, it's the equipment 
owner who's financially liable for any infringement. The penalties 
are quite draconian.


I suggested anyone who shoots weddings and provides the couple with a 
CD of the images to print their own should include a copyright release.


I was roundly condemned for being a bad cop, and informed it was 
not my job to enforce bad laws.




Bad law or not, if you don't enforce it, you will, ultimately, take a 
hit for it.
Interestingly, and I believe I've mentioned this before, a lot of the 
problems you guys have with copyright isn't the DMCA, it's who you 
grant ownership to.
It's ludicrous that a photographer can claim ownership of something he 
was hired to make, and paid, often very expensively, in full for 
making. It's like Joe Airwrench claiming ownership of my truck because 
he bolted the driver's side front wheel onto it.


William Robb
It's the simple default contract in this case.  Making something the 
default makes sense and our law went with the traditional.  I've 
assigned rights a number of times, it's usually done at the time I've 
been contracted for the service.  If a photographer doesn't agree to 
assign rights then the employer can find a new photographer.  Most would 
agree to the terms just to get the work.  The problem arises when 
someone doesn't understand or wishes to subvert the law.  Besides what 
you describe with Joe Airwrench is more like taking a model's portfolio 
then claiming possession of the model having taken the photos...


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   The thing to think about is whether or not one wants to 
 do business with
   a company like that.
  
  Oh, absolutely! :-)
  That's why I don't have a Kindle.
  
  Maybe I'm too cynical, but I tend to think that one gets 
 what one has
  paid for by buying into Amazon's scheme.
  
  Jostein
 
 I find it amusing (although, sadly, in no way surprising) that much of
 the anger here is being directed against Amazon - a company who acted
 to preserve intellectual property rights - and not against the lowlife
 who illegally sold the infringing copies.
 

it's because Amazon made the elementary and very foolish mistake of erasing
the stuff from people's machines - they don't have the right to do that.
It's the equivalent of a bookshop assistant coming into your house without
your permission and taking back a book that you bought from them.

Bob


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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote:

   The thing to think about is whether or not one wants to
 do business with
   a company like that.
 
  Oh, absolutely! :-)
  That's why I don't have a Kindle.
 
  Maybe I'm too cynical, but I tend to think that one gets
 what one has
  paid for by buying into Amazon's scheme.
 
  Jostein

 I find it amusing (although, sadly, in no way surprising) that much of
 the anger here is being directed against Amazon - a company who acted
 to preserve intellectual property rights - and not against the lowlife
 who illegally sold the infringing copies.


 it's because Amazon made the elementary and very foolish mistake of erasing
 the stuff from people's machines - they don't have the right to do that.
 It's the equivalent of a bookshop assistant coming into your house without
 your permission and taking back a book that you bought from them.

 Bob

Exactly.

People aren't pissed that Amazon acted appropriately in removing the
items from their store. That was completely appropriate. It was their
actions with regards to items already purchased, which just reinforced
the growing realization that Amazon, not the Kindle's supposed owner,
controls everything on the Kindle and that the customer has
essentially no rights to what they've already purchased.

It's yet another reason why I flat out won't EVER buy a Kindle,
despite being a very heavy purchaser of eBooks. Of course, I puschase
my eBooks from Webscription.net, which provides 100% DRM free
downloads and does not remove access to eBooks that have already been
purchased even if the publisher moves elsewhere.


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Re: GESO: I'm a grand-dad

2009-07-19 Thread Rebekah

How beautiful!  Thank you for sharing - congratulations!

rg2

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I recommend the position of Grand-Dad. Congratulations!

 Jack

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 From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com
 Subject: Re: GESO: I'm a grand-dad
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 9:39 AM
 On 19/7/09, Charles Robinson,
 discombobulated, unleashed:

 I feel old.
 
 I was online at about 5:30 this morning when my
 son-in-law popped up
 in a chat window and told me that it looked like things
 were
 happening...
 
 My wife hustled over at 6 (she's a doula and was
 planning to help
 out), I took my time because in our family, labor takes
 a LONG TIME.
 
 I got there at 7:30am, kid popped out about half an
 hour later.  WOW.
 
 My daughter had asked me earlier to take pictures, so I
 did.   Quite
 an experience.
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2009/evan_birth/index.html

 Great set of pics, Charles. Congratulations!

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Looks like it's going to be an interesting day at Lord's tomorrow!

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Re: A Dilemma

2009-07-19 Thread mike wilson


P. J. Alling wrote:

So here's the Dilemma. I've been trying to decide which Camera the 
*ist-D or the DS I should keep as a backup.  


No dilemma at all.  Consumer electronics plummet in value the moment you 
take them out of the box.  Use them for any reasonable time and they are 
virtually worthless.  These are small, still functional items that will 
recoup a pittance.  Keep both of them.


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Re: K7 Frame Counting

2009-07-19 Thread mike wilson


AlunFoto wrote:



But then again, I've already been wrong once.


Mark!

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

From: William Robb

From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

 I remember a long argument somewhere here or in usenet about what my 
 responsibility was at the photolab regarding customers who came in to make 
 copies of copyrighted images. Under the DMCA, it's the equipment owner 
 who's financially liable for any infringement. The penalties are quite 
 draconian.

 I suggested anyone who shoots weddings and provides the couple with a CD 
 of the images to print their own should include a copyright release.

 I was roundly condemned for being a bad cop, and informed it was not my 
 job to enforce bad laws.

Bad law or not, if you don't enforce it, you will, ultimately, take a hit 
for it.
Interestingly, and I believe I've mentioned this before, a lot of the 
problems you guys have with copyright isn't the DMCA, it's who you grant 
ownership to.
It's ludicrous that a photographer can claim ownership of something he was 
hired to make, and paid, often very expensively, in full for making. It's 
like Joe Airwrench claiming ownership of my truck because he bolted the 
driver's side front wheel onto it.

It's a stupid law, bought and paid for by the record companies and movie 
studios.

The whole purpose of assigning liability for copyright infringement to 
the owner of the equipment was so they could put the factories that 
produce bootleg CDs/DVDs out of business. The way it's written, they can 
collect 1/2 million dollars for each instance of infringement, where 
every individual CD/DVD stamped out was a separate instance.

Except that the factories that stamp out the pirate CDs/DVDs aren't 
located in the good ol' U. S. of A. and the DMCA can't be enforced 
against them.

The unintended consequence is that the owner of the mini-lab that has 
a scanner or digital print from CD facility is also liable, where each 
individual print is an separate instance of infringement. I say 
unintended because you know damn well the record companies  movie 
studios don't give a damn about the individual photographer's rights. 
They'll rip you off in a heartbeat and claim fair use exemption if you 
attempt to claim compensation from them.

But, because the mini-lab is owned by a corporation, the corporation 
have policies that direct the operator not to print anything that 
looks like it might place the corporation at risk. The corporation 
doesn't actually give a damn if you print them or not; the policy is 
simply there so they can push the liability off onto you as the lab 
operator if any photographer DOES object to having his copyrighted 
images printed.

Of course, the flip side is that if you DO follow the CORPORATE POLICY 
regarding copyright and the customer makes a fuss, you're subject to 
disciplinary action because you're guilty of bad customer service.

But to take your Joe Airwrench analogy - as a lab operator, I'm in the 
position of crossing with the light, in the crosswalk, i.e. obeying the 
law, when the truck in question is about to run over me.

I was told repeatedly that, because Joe Airwrench's ownership claim is 
bogus, I have no right to dodge the speeding truck.

Obviously, that sticks in my craw.

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Re: A Dilemma

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM, mike wilsonm.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 P. J. Alling wrote:

 So here's the Dilemma. I've been trying to decide which Camera the *ist-D
 or the DS I should keep as a backup.

 No dilemma at all.  Consumer electronics plummet in value the moment you
 take them out of the box.  Use them for any reasonable time and they are
 virtually worthless.  These are small, still functional items that will
 recoup a pittance.  Keep both of them.

That's why i have not bothered to sell my D1 and D1H, I paid $5000
Canadian for the D1, and i'd be hard pressed to get $300 or so for it.

So it sits in my storage case, and goes out for a drive with me, once
in a while.

Dave

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...


Graydon wrote:

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:20:26AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:

So this particular Amazon contributor had apparently scanned the book
themselves. As such is an illegitimate digtialisation, and they are
breaking copyright. 


We don't know that.


No wonder Amazon would call the purchases back. I
empathise with those who had their books deleted from their readers,
though.



No.

The publisher *changed their mind* about selling an electronic edition
and retroactively deleted the copies that had been sold.

Think about this in context of news or political writing.

-- Graydon


I don't really know whether it really WAS a case of ...The publisher 
*changed their mind* about selling an electronic edition.


Changing your mind after you already [presumably] have consummated an 
otherwise legal deal [otherwise why would Amazon go ahead with 
distribution?]


Sounds a bit fishy to me...

On the other hand, the Uniform Commercial Code [if that applies here] 
says you have three days to 'change your mind' and rescind the deal...


Bag of snakes, eh?

keith whaley


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Re: What is Opteka 85mm f/1.4 ?

2009-07-19 Thread Igor Roshchin


Thanks to everybody who responded.
Upon further search, I found this (in case it's useful for somebody else):
http://lenstip.com/166.11-Lens_review-Samyang_85_mm_f_1.4_Aspherical_IF__Summary.html
and this:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/46479-review-samyang-85mm-f1-4-aspherical-if.html

Also, it looks like there variations of this lens: A and non-A:

Opteka version 
(e.g. 
http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-Telephoto-Portrait-Digital-Cameras/dp/B0022VHEJK ) 
has its aperture up to 16, 
while Bower at BH seems to have 22 and A setting for the aperture. 
Rokinon appears to exist in both versions.

I see Vivitar in A version on overstock.com and at BH.

The original Samyang version has up to 22, with or without A
setting. 
This one doesn't have A:
http://www.optyczne.pl/aparaty_image/4499_sam85_1.jpg
and this one does have A:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/46479-review-samyang-85mm-f1-4-aspherical-if.html


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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...


William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...




I remember a long argument somewhere here or in usenet about what my 
responsibility was at the photolab regarding customers who came in to 
make copies of copyrighted images. Under the DMCA, it's the equipment 
owner who's financially liable for any infringement. The penalties are 
quite draconian.


I suggested anyone who shoots weddings and provides the couple with a 
CD of the images to print their own should include a copyright release.


I was roundly condemned for being a bad cop, and informed it was not 
my job to enforce bad laws.




Bad law or not, if you don't enforce it, you will, ultimately, take a 
hit for it.
Interestingly, and I believe I've mentioned this before, a lot of the 
problems you guys have with copyright isn't the DMCA, it's who you grant 
ownership to.


There are at least two DCMAs:
The Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which is what I believe you're 
making reference to, and the
Defense Contract Management Agency, which my wife happens to be expert 
in... :-D


Nice thing is, however, as a practitioner in either, I suspect you have 
to know all about Federal _and_ Commercial contract law.
Except for details here and there, contract law doesn't differ much from 
place to place.


It's ludicrous that a photographer can claim ownership of something he 
was hired to make, and paid, often very expensively, in full for making. 
It's like Joe Airwrench claiming ownership of my truck because he bolted 
the driver's side front wheel onto it.


William Robb


Yessir. I agree with you.
It would seem to me, that in a court of law, the mere fact that he was 
HIRED to make the image(s) automatically flips the ownership question to 
the person who contracted with the photographer as being the owner of 
the output. That's what the contractor paid for.


My hard working plumber doesn't own any of the copper piping he 
installed in my house. I do. Nor the A/C he bought with my money and 
installed in my master BR.

He's been paid and that's that...

Payment of the photographer's bill/invoice is the end of the process.
The photographer got paid for all his/her efforts, and the contractor 
got his/her images. Contract complete...


keith whaley

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Re: OT ? craigslist lsiting of possible interest here

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 I dunno'. You crank up a chain saw at GFM, and it's likely to attract
 unwanted attention.

I don't get cranky at GFM.:-)

Dave

 From: Bob W

 d'uh! How else are you gonna stuff the bodies down the drains?
 Actually the noise of the chainsaw is what matters. It drowns out the
 noise
 of the traffic so you can sleep at night. Chainsaws are well known for
 their
 somniferous sound properties in cities. I don't know if any experiments on
 this have been conducted outside the city though, say on top of a mountain
 where the sounds carry in a different way. Someone should test that.

 Bob


   That is a bit disturbing, I can't think of any reason you'd need a 
   chainsaw in NYC.
   ann sanfedele wrote:

  
   http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/wan/1276141774.html
  
   ann
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Geso Some shots from todays horse show. Jumper Day.,

Nothing artistic, just sharing.

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-chance/album/index.html

D200, VR 70-200 f2.8, dragged into jalbum.

Heavy overcast day and I had the EV cranked on a few i should not have.

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Keith Whaleykeit...@dslextreme.com wrote:

 Yessir. I agree with you.
 It would seem to me, that in a court of law, the mere fact that he was HIRED
 to make the image(s) automatically flips the ownership question to the
 person who contracted with the photographer as being the owner of the
 output. That's what the contractor paid for.

That's how it works in Canada, it's called 'Work for Hire'. IIRC it's
common to all Commonwealth countries. But in the US unless the
contract specifies it, the Photographer owns it.


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K-7 and AF360 flash

Anyone put some time into testing the K7 and 360 flash.??

I had the K10D and 360 at the small product shoot i did Thursday, but
gave up and used the D200 and SB800 flash. More keepers

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Re: What is Opteka 85mm f/1.4 ?

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Igor Roshchins...@komkon.org wrote:

 Thanks to everybody who responded.
 Upon further search, I found this (in case it's useful for somebody else):
 http://lenstip.com/166.11-Lens_review-Samyang_85_mm_f_1.4_Aspherical_IF__Summary.html
 and this:
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/46479-review-samyang-85mm-f1-4-aspherical-if.html

 Also, it looks like there variations of this lens: A and non-A:


 Igor

The non A versions pictured are Nikon AI-S mount. You can clearly see
the AI coupling ridge and the f16 limit is a restriction of the AI
meter coupling system.

All of the K mount versions are KA.

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...


From: P. J. Alling
I refuse to use proprietary distribution formats because it locks you 
into one vendor.  Baen Books, a publisher of Science Fiction offers 
their books in HTML format,  (and a few others as well), but you can 
read them in any browser, and they can't reach into your machine and 
erase something you've already purchased.  


They also provided them on CD bound into the back of some of their hard 
cover editions. The ones I'm familiar with were books by David Weber and 
John Ringo, where the book on offer was the latest in a series of tales 
set in the same universe. I'm pretty sure there were others.


One of the later Honor Harrington series by Weber had a CD that included 
all the novels  short stories preceding it. I can't remember what else 
was on that CD.


The same applied for the last in the Posleen series by John Ringo. I 
think it was the hard cover of When the Devil Dances. IIRC, that CD 
also included the Belisarius series by David Drake and Eric Flint.


The OTHER benefit of Baen's way of doing things is you also did not HAVE 
to read them as HTML; you could read them in plain text without the HTML 
formatting - which I found more convenient.


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Re: GESO: I'm a grand-dad

Nice gallery, well done.

Congrats

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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com wrote:
 I feel old.

 I was online at about 5:30 this morning when my son-in-law popped up in a
 chat window and told me that it looked like things were happening...

 My wife hustled over at 6 (she's a doula and was planning to help out), I
 took my time because in our family, labor takes a LONG TIME.

 I got there at 7:30am, kid popped out about half an hour later.  WOW.

 My daughter had asked me earlier to take pictures, so I did.   Quite an
 experience.

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2009/evan_birth/index.html

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Re: GESO: More kayak racing

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 http://www.multisport.net.nz/photos/259-2009-07-19-brass-monkey-race-3.html


 Cheers,
 Dave

Good work Dave. I agree with Bob, the best one of the three.

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Re: Boris Peso #023

Interesting light and shadows.

I like it.

Dave

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 Evidently, putting zero on the left from the peso number was too ambitious
 an idea.

 Please be brutal and honest, and yes, I still have 800+ unopened messages
 labeled by PAW/PESO in my inbox.

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/07/peso-2009-023.html

 Thanks.

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Re: PESO - My Little Friend

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:55 PM, P. J.
Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Some people even find interesting paint to watch peel...

Comes in handy when one retires.

Dave

 Brian Walters wrote:

 G'day all

 Just a bit of peeling paint but it's a bit cute, don't you think?

 Oh


 http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/153547/My_Little_Friend.html


 Comments appreciated.


 Cheers

 Brian

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...


From: John Francis

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 02:02:43PM +0200, AlunFoto wrote:

 2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:

  The thing to think about is whether or not one wants to do business with
  a company like that.
 
 Oh, absolutely!  :-) 
 That's why I don't have a Kindle.
 
 Maybe I'm too cynical, but I tend to think that one gets what one has

 paid for by buying into Amazon's scheme.
 
 Jostein


I find it amusing (although, sadly, in no way surprising) that much of
the anger here is being directed against Amazon - a company who acted
to preserve intellectual property rights - and not against the lowlife
who illegally sold the infringing copies.


One might reasonably ask why Amazon permitted such a lowlife to use the 
kindle to distribute infringing copies in the first place.


If Amazon had performed due diligence BEFORE permitting said lowlife 
access to their kindle network, they wouldn't have had to act to 
preserve intellectual property rights after the fact.


Amazon is trying to portray themselves in the role of the virtuous 
victim, when, in fact, they played the roll of the FENCE, distributing 
stolen property.


Amazon has done wrong TWICE. First by distributing the infringing 
copies, and then by stealing them back from their customers.


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Your analysis of this is incorrect. The law is perfectly reasonable, and is
aimed at the organisation or person that copies the material, whether it's a
bootlegging organisation or a minilab or an individual. None of them has the
right to copy material that belongs to someone else. The employer is quite
correct in having policies that tell their employees not to infringe
copyright. They cannot push the liability off onto their employees under any
circumstances, but especially if the employees have no say in the matter. If
the employer subsequently punishes the employee for refusing to break the
law then it is the employer that's at fault, not the law. The employer is
acting illegally by doing that, and the employee would almost certainly win
a case against them in the circumstances you describe.

Bob
 
 It's a stupid law, bought and paid for by the record 
 companies and movie 
 studios.
 
 The whole purpose of assigning liability for copyright 
 infringement to 
 the owner of the equipment was so they could put the factories that 
 produce bootleg CDs/DVDs out of business. The way it's 
 written, they can 
 collect 1/2 million dollars for each instance of infringement, where 
 every individual CD/DVD stamped out was a separate instance.
 
 Except that the factories that stamp out the pirate CDs/DVDs aren't 
 located in the good ol' U. S. of A. and the DMCA can't be enforced 
 against them.
 
 The unintended consequence is that the owner of the 
 mini-lab that has 
 a scanner or digital print from CD facility is also liable, 
 where each 
 individual print is an separate instance of infringement. I say 
 unintended because you know damn well the record companies  movie 
 studios don't give a damn about the individual photographer's rights. 
 They'll rip you off in a heartbeat and claim fair use 
 exemption if you 
 attempt to claim compensation from them.
 
 But, because the mini-lab is owned by a corporation, the corporation 
 have policies that direct the operator not to print anything that 
 looks like it might place the corporation at risk. The corporation 
 doesn't actually give a damn if you print them or not; the policy is 
 simply there so they can push the liability off onto you as the lab 
 operator if any photographer DOES object to having his copyrighted 
 images printed.
 
 Of course, the flip side is that if you DO follow the 
 CORPORATE POLICY 
 regarding copyright and the customer makes a fuss, you're subject to 
 disciplinary action because you're guilty of bad customer service.
 
 But to take your Joe Airwrench analogy - as a lab operator, 
 I'm in the 
 position of crossing with the light, in the crosswalk, i.e. 
 obeying the 
 law, when the truck in question is about to run over me.
 
 I was told repeatedly that, because Joe Airwrench's 
 ownership claim is 
 bogus, I have no right to dodge the speeding truck.
 
 Obviously, that sticks in my craw.
 
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 Nice thing is, however, as a practitioner in either, I 
 suspect you have 
 to know all about Federal _and_ Commercial contract law.
 Except for details here and there, contract law doesn't 
 differ much from 
 place to place.
 
  It's ludicrous that a photographer can claim ownership of 
 something he 
  was hired to make, and paid, often very expensively, in 
 full for making. 
  It's like Joe Airwrench claiming ownership of my truck 
 because he bolted 
  the driver's side front wheel onto it.
  
  William Robb
 
 Yessir. I agree with you.
 It would seem to me, that in a court of law, the mere fact 
 that he was 
 HIRED to make the image(s) automatically flips the ownership 
 question to 
 the person who contracted with the photographer as being the owner of 
 the output. That's what the contractor paid for.
 
 My hard working plumber doesn't own any of the copper piping he 
 installed in my house. I do. Nor the A/C he bought with my money and 
 installed in my master BR.
 He's been paid and that's that...
 
 Payment of the photographer's bill/invoice is the end of the process.
 The photographer got paid for all his/her efforts, and the contractor 
 got his/her images. Contract complete...
 

In copyright law there is no automatic assignment. If the contract with the
photographer does not explicitly assign copyright to the hirer then the
photographer retains the copyright.

Bob


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RE: OT: Test


From: Bob W

Looks like it's going to be an interesting day at Lord's tomorrow!


Droll!

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Re: Did we ever see

2009-07-19 Thread mike wilson


Joseph McAllister wrote:



On Jul 17, 2009, at 03:11 , mike wilson wrote:


On Jul 16, 2009, at 14:29 , David J Brooks added:



- Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re:
Did we
ever see


the Aviation PUG?



Didn't You ? It was awesome !
Some really high level photography !



Oh yes!! I was flown away by it.


I was somewhat soar to learn that I missed it.



I didn't really give a Fokker



I heard some were so mad they could Spitfire.



True, but they were wig wagged back from wrath.



I had an entry but I made a messerschmidt in post.



Boeing a Canon user, I couldn't submit and shots...


I Otter leave this alone.


Consult the Navion this, or they will Cessna...



I just can't think of an English, electric, lightning response to  that.


NorCan Eye.


IC UR A TSR2.


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RE: Minor enablement

2009-07-19 Thread John Whittingham

I went out for a couple of hours this afternoon after the rain stopped, never 
got to use the new head but got a nice shot of a Damselfly on my travels. As 
good as the Wimberly, except panning! Have you tried adjusting the friction, or 
are you referring to some other advantage the Wimberly has. Nearly as good as 
the best is pretty damn good for the money.

Regards,

John

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby 
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Yep I'm using mine. In fact me and the 393 are going camping right
after I've sent this post. I've got a couple of white throated dippers
with a child waiting for me :-)
I'm using mine mainly with a Tamron adaptall x 1,7, my BigK
(K-500/4,5) or the DA* 300.

Overall I think it does a pretty good job. I have also tried the
Wimberly, kindly lent from a PDML lurker, hi Kaffilars :-)
I think the Wimberly is slightly better on panning. Except from this I
find them equal in performance. And equal with Wimberly means very
good :-)

I'm convinced you will find that it will improve the sharpness of your
photos. To hell with work, just go out there and shoot :-)


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2009/7/19 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 Hi Tim

 I'ne only tried it to see what it's like, unfortunately,  because pressure of 
 work has prevented me doing any bird photography lately. I was suitably 
 impressed with it though, the longest lens I have is the DA* 300/4 fitted 
 with 1.4, 1.5 or 1.7x TC. I'm hoping the 393 will help me with sharper images 
 when SR is not so effective due to using one of the TC's. Initial tests 
 proved it to be quite effective even when used with 300mm + 1.7 TC down to 
 1/125 sec. I'm hopimg to return to Mere Sands Wood (Kingfisher territory) and 
 try it someday soon.

 Are you still using yours? How do you find it?

 Regards,

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 3:04 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: P. J. Alling

 I refuse to use proprietary distribution formats because it locks you into
 one vendor.  Baen Books, a publisher of Science Fiction offers their books
 in HTML format,  (and a few others as well), but you can read them in any
 browser, and they can't reach into your machine and erase something you've
 already purchased.

 They also provided them on CD bound into the back of some of their hard
 cover editions. The ones I'm familiar with were books by David Weber and
 John Ringo, where the book on offer was the latest in a series of tales set
 in the same universe. I'm pretty sure there were others.

 One of the later Honor Harrington series by Weber had a CD that included all
 the novels  short stories preceding it. I can't remember what else was on
 that CD.

 The same applied for the last in the Posleen series by John Ringo. I think
 it was the hard cover of When the Devil Dances. IIRC, that CD also
 included the Belisarius series by David Drake and Eric Flint.

 The OTHER benefit of Baen's way of doing things is you also did not HAVE to
 read them as HTML; you could read them in plain text without the HTML
 formatting - which I found more convenient.


Baen is actually the proprietor of the Webscription.net service I
reference upthread, although there's now 3-4 publishers using it. They
provide a number of formats via Webscriptions and have a nice
selection of free offerings as well, including a half-dozen different
CD's that are free to download  distribute. The CD's are HTML and
plain text only IIRC.



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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

2009-07-19 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Bob W

Subject: RE: OT: Down the memory hole ...

In copyright law there is no automatic assignment. If the contract with 
the

photographer does not explicitly assign copyright to the hirer then the
photographer retains the copyright.

In Canada, the law assigns first ownership of copyright. In the absence of 
an agreement to the contrary, the copyright owner is the person who 
commissioned the work.
The makes it interesting for TFCD shoots where the model contacts me about 
shooting. Even though I provide the studio, the camera, the lights, etc, the 
model is first owner of copyright because she approached me.

Unless I want to get her to sign her copyrights over to me, anyway.

William Robb 

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...


From: Keith Whaley

William Robb wrote:
 It's ludicrous that a photographer can claim ownership of something he 
 was hired to make, and paid, often very expensively, in full for making. 
 It's like Joe Airwrench claiming ownership of my truck because he bolted 
 the driver's side front wheel onto it.
 
 William Robb


Yessir. I agree with you.
It would seem to me, that in a court of law, the mere fact that he was 
HIRED to make the image(s) automatically flips the ownership question to 
the person who contracted with the photographer as being the owner of 
the output. That's what the contractor paid for.


My hard working plumber doesn't own any of the copper piping he 
installed in my house. I do. Nor the A/C he bought with my money and 
installed in my master BR.

He's been paid and that's that...

Payment of the photographer's bill/invoice is the end of the process.
The photographer got paid for all his/her efforts, and the contractor 
got his/her images. Contract complete...


keith whaley


I think you're both missing my point though.

The way the law is written, if the homeowner (i.e. customer with 
photos on CD) comes in to purchase filters for that A/C (i.e. make 
prints at the mini-lab), *I* can be held financially liable for 
violating the plumber's (i.e. the photographer) property rights.


I am an innocent third party being put in the middle of a dispute I had 
nothing to do with in the first place. Whether he's morally entitled to 
those rights or not, THE LAW makes the presumption that *I* am 
financially liable.


I'm all in favor of photographers having rights to their intellectual 
property. I'm a photographer myself ... occasionally.


I just don't think it's such a good idea to put myself in a position to 
risk losing everything I own and ending up spending the rest of my days 
living under a bridge somewhere because of a stupid, badly written law 
and photographers who are too lazy to provide their customers with a 
copyright release.


The LAW, as written, says the photographer gets to sue ME, not the 
person who actually made the copies, but ME because I run the machine 
that was used. The LAW, as written, says the photographer can sue ME for 
1/2 million dollars per print for each and every print the customer made 
using the equipment I control.


... and my only defense, under the law AS WRITTEN, is to prove the 
photographer doesn't own the copyright to the prints in dispute - which 
the LAW, as written, says he does.


Screw that. You ain't got a copyright release, I'll turn the machine off 
and call the manager to deal with it. If he wants to assume the risk, he 
can turn the machine back on.


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Re: Minor enablement

Yep. I've tried adjusting the friction. That's the problem I believe,
it much harder to fine tune friction. You can adjust the vertical
friction on the fly, but you need a umbraco to adjust the horisontal
friction, so fine tuning horisontal is a no no.

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2009/7/19 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 I went out for a couple of hours this afternoon after the rain stopped, never 
 got to use the new head but got a nice shot of a Damselfly on my travels. As 
 good as the Wimberly, except panning! Have you tried adjusting the friction, 
 or are you referring to some other advantage the Wimberly has. Nearly as good 
 as the best is pretty damn good for the money.

 Regards,

 John
 
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby 
 [maritim...@gmail.com]
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 Subject: Re: Minor enablement

 Yep I'm using mine. In fact me and the 393 are going camping right
 after I've sent this post. I've got a couple of white throated dippers
 with a child waiting for me :-)
 I'm using mine mainly with a Tamron adaptall x 1,7, my BigK
 (K-500/4,5) or the DA* 300.

 Overall I think it does a pretty good job. I have also tried the
 Wimberly, kindly lent from a PDML lurker, hi Kaffilars :-)
 I think the Wimberly is slightly better on panning. Except from this I
 find them equal in performance. And equal with Wimberly means very
 good :-)

 I'm convinced you will find that it will improve the sharpness of your
 photos. To hell with work, just go out there and shoot :-)


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 2009/7/19 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 Hi Tim

 I'ne only tried it to see what it's like, unfortunately,  because pressure 
 of work has prevented me doing any bird photography lately. I was suitably 
 impressed with it though, the longest lens I have is the DA* 300/4 fitted 
 with 1.4, 1.5 or 1.7x TC. I'm hoping the 393 will help me with sharper 
 images when SR is not so effective due to using one of the TC's. Initial 
 tests proved it to be quite effective even when used with 300mm + 1.7 TC 
 down to 1/125 sec. I'm hopimg to return to Mere Sands Wood (Kingfisher 
 territory) and try it someday soon.

 Are you still using yours? How do you find it?

 Regards,

 John

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...


Boris Liberman wrote:

Paul, what strikes me odd in this story is that it seems Kindle is
either always connected or something like that. In general, should I
have a thing such as this, I would obviously download books from the
store and turn off whatever connectivity the device has. Also, in the
case of that person who produced side notes, perhaps in general Kindle
should have displayed a message saying that they might want to save
their notes aside and then have the book deleted. Although admittedly
they say they have refunded all the customers from whom the book was
deleted.

Odd story indeed.



Hi Boris...

I have a brand new Kindle II. Replaced my Kindle I.

On my Kindle I, I had two slide switches: one to turn the Kindle itself 
on and off, and one for turning the connection to Amazon.com via their 
WhisperNet® cell phone frequency network on and off.
I never use the Amazon slide switch unless or until I wanted to download 
another book.
Once you're connected to your Kindle, you're only accessing what's 
already downloaded and contained on your reader's memory.
Amazon has no ability to contact you during any of your normal use 
times. You're merely retrieving from stored data.

Just like a folder on your CPU, vs. accessing the internet.

I am not yet familiar with how my Kindle II handles that, as I don't see 
two slide switches! I've GOT to spend some time familiarizing myself 
with it.


So far, I see nothing wrong with how Amazon handled the interaction 
between customers and potential breaking of any laws.
Unless and until we all know the WHOLE story, I choose to withhold 
negative judgment, unlike some on this thread.


People can change, corporations can change.

BTW, to keep on overall topic, I recently purchased an almost brand-new 
all black MZ-3, rather rare in this country (US) and it's a total beauty!


I mated it to my almost brand-new (used) FA 1:4 28-70mm AL zoom.

I am loading it up with film this afternoon. Anxious to see how it does.
I think I'm going to really, really like this camera! The MZ-3 is truly 
a class act.


Almost as much as I do my brand-new Kindle II! :-D

Best to you...  keith

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RE: OT: Down the memory hole ...


From: Bob W

Your analysis of this is incorrect. The law is perfectly reasonable, and is
aimed at the organisation or person that copies the material, whether it's a
bootlegging organisation or a minilab or an individual. None of them has the
right to copy material that belongs to someone else. The employer is quite
correct in having policies that tell their employees not to infringe
copyright. They cannot push the liability off onto their employees under any
circumstances, but especially if the employees have no say in the matter. If
the employer subsequently punishes the employee for refusing to break the
law then it is the employer that's at fault, not the law. The employer is
acting illegally by doing that, and the employee would almost certainly win
a case against them in the circumstances you describe.


Yeah, and everybody knows the employee has SO MANY protections against 
an employer's arbitrary illegal actions.


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Re: OT ? craigslist lsiting of possible interest here


On Jul 19, 2009, at 08:00 , ann sanfedele wrote:


Ok you guys, nothing like having to explain jokes...
I guess I should have just sent it to a select few who  remeber  
certain times at GFM :-)
I was just making a joke on Brooksies nickname  - though he'd like  
some work


sigh
ann



Oh, we got the reference - your joke.

It's just that we had other more universally NY jokes we had to  
express. Can't keep that kinda good stuff inside. It corrodes and  
corrupts one's thought.



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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...


John Sessoms wrote:

From: John Francis

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 02:02:43PM +0200, AlunFoto wrote:

 2009/7/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com:
  The thing to think about is whether or not one wants to do 
business with

  a company like that.

  Oh, absolutely!  :-)  That's why I don't have a Kindle.
  Maybe I'm too cynical, but I tend to think that one gets what one 
has

 paid for by buying into Amazon's scheme.
  Jostein


I find it amusing (although, sadly, in no way surprising) that much of
the anger here is being directed against Amazon - a company who acted
to preserve intellectual property rights - and not against the lowlife
who illegally sold the infringing copies.


One might reasonably ask why Amazon permitted such a lowlife to use the 
kindle to distribute infringing copies in the first place.


If Amazon had performed due diligence BEFORE permitting said lowlife 
access to their kindle network, they wouldn't have had to act to 
preserve intellectual property rights after the fact.


Amazon is trying to portray themselves in the role of the virtuous 
victim, when, in fact, they played the roll of the FENCE, distributing 
stolen property.


Amazon has done wrong TWICE. First by distributing the infringing 
copies, and then by stealing them back from their customers.


If you don't mind, sir, if you believe Amazon deserves a capital A, so 
also should Kindle get a capital K.

Once I forget about it. Twice says you did it on purpose.

Thanks,

keith

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RE: Minor enablement

2009-07-19 Thread John Whittingham

Mine's still new and feels tight, but I may have a try at adjusting after it's 
worn in a little. Agreed the horizontal friction couldn't be done on the fly, 
is the Winberly fluid damped?

John

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby 
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Sent: 19 July 2009 20:53
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Subject: Re: Minor enablement

Yep. I've tried adjusting the friction. That's the problem I believe,
it much harder to fine tune friction. You can adjust the vertical
friction on the fly, but you need a umbraco to adjust the horisontal
friction, so fine tuning horisontal is a no no.

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2009/7/19 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 I went out for a couple of hours this afternoon after the rain stopped, never 
 got to use the new head but got a nice shot of a Damselfly on my travels. As 
 good as the Wimberly, except panning! Have you tried adjusting the friction, 
 or are you referring to some other advantage the Wimberly has. Nearly as good 
 as the best is pretty damn good for the money.

 Regards,

 John

 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby 
 [maritim...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 19 July 2009 13:31
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Minor enablement

 Yep I'm using mine. In fact me and the 393 are going camping right
 after I've sent this post. I've got a couple of white throated dippers
 with a child waiting for me :-)
 I'm using mine mainly with a Tamron adaptall x 1,7, my BigK
 (K-500/4,5) or the DA* 300.

 Overall I think it does a pretty good job. I have also tried the
 Wimberly, kindly lent from a PDML lurker, hi Kaffilars :-)
 I think the Wimberly is slightly better on panning. Except from this I
 find them equal in performance. And equal with Wimberly means very
 good :-)

 I'm convinced you will find that it will improve the sharpness of your
 photos. To hell with work, just go out there and shoot :-)

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 2009/7/19 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 Hi Tim

 I'ne only tried it to see what it's like, unfortunately,  because pressure 
 of work has prevented me doing any bird photography lately. I was suitably 
 impressed with it though, the longest lens I have is the DA* 300/4 fitted 
 with 1.4, 1.5 or 1.7x TC. I'm hoping the 393 will help me with sharper 
 images when SR is not so effective due to using one of the TC's. Initial 
 tests proved it to be quite effective even when used with 300mm + 1.7 TC 
 down to 1/125 sec. I'm hopimg to return to Mere Sands Wood (Kingfisher 
 territory) and try it someday soon.

 Are you still using yours? How do you find it?

 Regards,

 John

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Re: Minor enablement

Don't know if the Wimberly is fluid damped. All I know is that the
knob works better :-)

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2009/7/19 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 Mine's still new and feels tight, but I may have a try at adjusting after 
 it's worn in a little. Agreed the horizontal friction couldn't be done on the 
 fly, is the Winberly fluid damped?

 John
 
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby 
 [maritim...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 19 July 2009 20:53
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Minor enablement

 Yep. I've tried adjusting the friction. That's the problem I believe,
 it much harder to fine tune friction. You can adjust the vertical
 friction on the fly, but you need a umbraco to adjust the horisontal
 friction, so fine tuning horisontal is a no no.

 --
 MaritimTim

 2009/7/19 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 I went out for a couple of hours this afternoon after the rain stopped, 
 never got to use the new head but got a nice shot of a Damselfly on my 
 travels. As good as the Wimberly, except panning! Have you tried adjusting 
 the friction, or are you referring to some other advantage the Wimberly has. 
 Nearly as good as the best is pretty damn good for the money.

 Regards,

 John
 
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby 
 [maritim...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 19 July 2009 13:31
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Minor enablement

 Yep I'm using mine. In fact me and the 393 are going camping right
 after I've sent this post. I've got a couple of white throated dippers
 with a child waiting for me :-)
 I'm using mine mainly with a Tamron adaptall x 1,7, my BigK
 (K-500/4,5) or the DA* 300.

 Overall I think it does a pretty good job. I have also tried the
 Wimberly, kindly lent from a PDML lurker, hi Kaffilars :-)
 I think the Wimberly is slightly better on panning. Except from this I
 find them equal in performance. And equal with Wimberly means very
 good :-)

 I'm convinced you will find that it will improve the sharpness of your
 photos. To hell with work, just go out there and shoot :-)


 --
 MaritimTim

 2009/7/19 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk:
 Hi Tim

 I'ne only tried it to see what it's like, unfortunately,  because pressure 
 of work has prevented me doing any bird photography lately. I was suitably 
 impressed with it though, the longest lens I have is the DA* 300/4 fitted 
 with 1.4, 1.5 or 1.7x TC. I'm hoping the 393 will help me with sharper 
 images when SR is not so effective due to using one of the TC's. Initial 
 tests proved it to be quite effective even when used with 300mm + 1.7 TC 
 down to 1/125 sec. I'm hopimg to return to Mere Sands Wood (Kingfisher 
 territory) and try it someday soon.

 Are you still using yours? How do you find it?

 Regards,

 John

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...

The libraries here in the Seattle area offer a growing list of titles  
that are available for download with a time limit on them, in PC, Mac,  
and iPod formats. I find the iTouch a bit small for reading a book,  
but my laptop is just fine.


I imagine that in the next few years lending libraries around the  
world will have similar functions such as Amazon's Kindle. If not  
broadcast like a cell phone, at least reachable via Wi Fi hotspots to  
load a book into your reader of choice.



On Jul 19, 2009, at 09:19 , P. J. Alling wrote:

I refuse to use proprietary distribution formats because it locks  
you into one vendor.  Baen Books, a publisher of Science Fiction  
offers their books in HTML format,  (and a few others as well), but  
you can read them in any browser, and they can't reach into your  
machine and erase something you've already purchased.  Not all of  
their catalog is electronic of course, but a fare amount is, and  
they supply a number of titles for reading on line or download for  
free in their free library.  I don't know if it's happened yet but  
if it hasn't it's only a matter of time before someone hacks a  
kindel to produce unauthorized copies of downloaded books, not  
because there's any money in it, but just to do it...


Joseph McAllister
pentax...@mac.com

There is no off position to the genius switch.
Genius can, however, be observed as insanity.


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Re: GESO: I'm a grand-dad


On Jul 19, 2009, at 09:39 , Cotty wrote:


On 19/7/09, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:


I feel old.

I was online at about 5:30 this morning when my son-in-law popped up
in a chat window and told me that it looked like things were
happening...

My wife hustled over at 6 (she's a doula and was planning to help
out), I took my time because in our family, labor takes a LONG TIME.

I got there at 7:30am, kid popped out about half an hour later.  WOW.

My daughter had asked me earlier to take pictures, so I did.   Quite
an experience.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2009/evan_birth/index.html


Great set of pics, Charles. Congratulations!


I'm with Cotty on this, Charles. Well done. A treasure for the parents.

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I couldn't remember most of what I know today
if it weren't for others sharing their knowledge
of my past on the Internet. Thank you…


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Re: I'm a grand-dad

2009-07-19 Thread Christine Aguila

Wow!  Beautiful baby. Beautiful family!  Beautiful photo story!  Congrats 
all round, Charles.  Hope mom is doing well.  Cheers, Christine

- Original Message - 
From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com

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Subject: GESO: I'm a grand-dad

I feel old.

I was online at about 5:30 this morning when my son-in-law popped up  in a 
chat window and told me that it looked like things were  happening...

My wife hustled over at 6 (she's a doula and was planning to help  out), I 
took my time because in our family, labor takes a LONG TIME.

I got there at 7:30am, kid popped out about half an hour later.  WOW.

My daughter had asked me earlier to take pictures, so I did.   Quite  an 
experience.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2009/evan_birth/index.html

 -Charles

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Re: OT: Down the memory hole ...