Queensland Floods

[Brian Walters]

I don't know if those overseas are aware of the scale of flooding in
Queensland but things are fairly dire there.  Brisbane may see the
largest flood in its history early on Thursday morning, local time.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/11/3110839.htm

As far as I know John Celio and Tanya Love are the only PDMLers in Qld -
hopefully they are OK but let us know John and Tanya.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: tres PESOS - 2 cameras

[Ann Sanfedele]

Christine Aguila wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:11 PM
Subject: tres PESOS - 2 cameras


With the ist D - this evening  at 1600 ISO  converted to BW in Elements.
http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153292884_fWCMa/Medium 



with the Canon powershot Sx120

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153292955_zyFKe/Medium 



http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153293026_JaaLZ/Medium 





Hi Ann:  Cool!  Like the framing in the 1st canon shot.  The shot 
looks a little unlevel though.


I didn't do anything in photoshop except crop a little.  looking at it 
in Elements with the gridlines turned on, the
verticals (except the pole) line up with the grid.. the horizontals are 
a bit warped..   what I liked about the shot
was the echo of the blue seats and the blank ad space lining up with 
those in the other train..



I'm not that crazy about the Pentax shot except to show little noise 
there is at 1600 :-)  


ann




  Love the street lines in the second & how the lead into the frame.  
Very cool.  Cheers, Christine 













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Re: OT Hall of shame

[Stan Halpin]

MARK!

On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

>  my best ungood sports shots are more ungood than Kelby's. :-)  Cheers, 
> Christine
> 


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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Boris Liberman]

Absolutely, Ken. As long as you understand me and I understand you 
(which I hope I do) any disagreement in absolutely fine.


On 1/12/2011 6:56 AM, Ken Waller wrote:

Boris
about all I can agree on is it is a type of photography .

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" 

Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos



Ken, if wrote "particular" or "specific" would it be more clear? I may
have used an imprecise term.

On 1/11/2011 10:40 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

My understanding is that Mark is doing somewhat special kind of
photography, mostly (daylight) landscape and nature.


Wasn't aware this was considered a 'special kind of photography' !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" 
Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos



On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote:

On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman wrote:


It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it
might have seemed initially.


S Don't tell Mark


Oh, hmmm, ahem, well. Let me see. My understanding is that Mark is
doing somewhat special kind of photography, mostly (daylight)
landscape and nature. This is where Sony A850 will shine with its
extended dynamic range, great many pixels and excellent color
fidelity. I also think that Mark is using top grade glass (Carl Zeiss,
etc) and a proper technique (tripod, etc). It is then most likely that
he extract the most from his 24x36 gear.

However for other kinds of photography: street, casual portrait,
travel and even for landscape some of the 24x36 advantages are not all
that advantageous, so to say. Surely and verily there is an
improvement, but its value may have been (deliberately?!)
overestimated.

Just to make it certain - mine is not the case of a fox and unripened
grapes...

Boris






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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Ken Waller]

Boris
about all I can agree on is it is a type of photography .

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman" 


Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos


Ken, if wrote "particular" or "specific" would it be more clear? I may 
have used an imprecise term.


On 1/11/2011 10:40 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

My understanding is that Mark is doing somewhat special kind of
photography, mostly (daylight) landscape and nature.


Wasn't aware this was considered a 'special kind of photography' !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" 
Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos



On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote:

On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman wrote:


It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it
might have seemed initially.


S Don't tell Mark


Oh, hmmm, ahem, well. Let me see. My understanding is that Mark is
doing somewhat special kind of photography, mostly (daylight)
landscape and nature. This is where Sony A850 will shine with its
extended dynamic range, great many pixels and excellent color
fidelity. I also think that Mark is using top grade glass (Carl Zeiss,
etc) and a proper technique (tripod, etc). It is then most likely that
he extract the most from his 24x36 gear.

However for other kinds of photography: street, casual portrait,
travel and even for landscape some of the 24x36 advantages are not all
that advantageous, so to say. Surely and verily there is an
improvement, but its value may have been (deliberately?!) overestimated.

Just to make it certain - mine is not the case of a fox and unripened
grapes...

Boris



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Re: tres PESOS - 2 cameras

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: tres PESOS - 2 cameras



With the ist D - this evening  at 1600 ISO  converted to BW in Elements.
http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153292884_fWCMa/Medium

with the Canon powershot Sx120


http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153292955_zyFKe/Medium

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153293026_JaaLZ/Medium



Hi Ann:  Cool!  Like the framing in the 1st canon shot.  The shot looks a 
little unlevel though.  Love the street lines in the second & how the lead 
into the frame.  Very cool.  Cheers, Christine 



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Re: K-3

[Christine Aguila]

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I sold my K20D today and will get the K-5 this week.


Well, just make sure your picture quality doesn't suffer  :-)  Cheers, 
Christine




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Re: OT Hall of shame

[Christine Aguila]

That's funny!  And I'm proud to say, my best ungood sports shots are more 
ungood than Kelby's. :-)  Cheers, Christine


P.s.  When you do spell check, the dictionary offers ungodly for ungood 
:-).



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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:12 AM
Subject: OT Hall of shame


Scott Kelby shares some of his best ungood football shots with very funny 
captions ...

http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2011/archives/15755

"Capturing the moment. Or at least the one right after it."

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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> I respectfully disagree, J.C. It depends on the size of the images to be 
> printed. I don't print bigger than A3. For that purpose A850 is actually an 
> overkill.

As an old boss of mine would say:
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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/12/2011 6:39 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:


Ken, if wrote "particular" or "specific" would it be more clear? I may have 
used an imprecise term.


That's not going to stop those of us who only speak one language from teasing 
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Re: That 3D look some are talking about ...

[Boris Liberman]

Indeed. I also don't recall seeing the 3D effect in the viewfinder, 
though recent shoot with Pentax MX was, well, let us say it was very 
refreshing to my eyes. However sometimes, more seldom than I'd like, 
this effect is present in my photographs.


Boris

On 1/11/2011 10:18 PM, Thibouille wrote:

Interesting thoughts Boris.
But I never saw that effect with a 50mm on 'FF' or 30-35mm on APS-C.
Viewfinder/lens may very well be the 'culprit'. Or lack of 31/43 Limited :) :)
I really don't think this is a DOF issue. After all, my FA50/1.4 has
less d...@f1.4 than the 80/2.8 on 6x6.

The problem is the following, my (very basic) enlarger is 24x36 only.
No 6x6 prints at home. No way to check until I can afford a proper
enlarger (which ideally would do up to 4"x5") which won't be tomorrow
or the day after :(


2011/1/11 Boris Liberman:

On 1/7/2011 3:54 PM, Thibouille wrote:


...with some lenses (Pentax of course).
I know this has been debated quite much and that it is somewhat weird
to talk about 3D in a photograph but...
man, my C330 does throw at me exactly that in its waist level finder
and 80mm/2.8 lens.

Is that the lens? The finder? Medium format DOF ?
I'm surprised and...  impressed !



I think that 3D look has to do with specifics of how we psychologically
perceive images. My understanding is that on 6x6 camera 80 mm lens has
approximately the same angle of view as 50 mm lens on 35 mm camera - normal.
It also occurs to me that may be MF viewfinders are just right in a sense of
how large/small they are. I remember distinctly the same feeling of surprise
looking through Jostein's Pentax 645 camera - the striking sense of
presence, as if being inside the scene. Another thing to consider is
tonality and OOF. If there is a smooth transition between dark and light and
sharp and not sharp, it probably looks more real. It is because the eye
would adjust itself according to the specific small area in the scene at
which it is staring and it would basically feel "normal". Smaller cameras
and hence wider lenses (for purpose of similar angle of view) would have
this "everything is sharp" kind of perception, although its degree would
differ from camera to camera and from lens to lens.

I would be curious to know if the 3D feel is retained in the prints that you
evidently make, Thibs.

Hope I make minimal sense.

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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Boris Liberman]

That's a very valid point. I was given permission to do with Sony images 
as I please so that I will have to edit them properly (there is 2,400 of 
them anyway) and see if I can come with comparison printing.


If and when it comes to happen, I will surely report what I observe.



On 1/11/2011 10:03 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Yeah, but what do identical digital files (same ISO, exposure, subject)
from each camera look like when printed on the same printer?

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" 
Subject: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos



Hi!

As I wrote earlier, my friends from DC (well, actually it is MD, but I
like to think of this as DC) came for a visit and left. Among other
things I did back up photos for my friend and I was given an
opportunity to keep them for my examination. He has Sony A850 and an
assortment of lenses, notably the famous Minolta Beer Can, Tamron
17-35/2.8-4.0 and Tamron 90/2.8 macro.

I have looked and processed and examined and pixel peeped few dozen
images and compared some of them side by side given that we were
shooting at the same time on the same location.

Few ideas crossed my mind:

1. Under bright day light Sony wins hands down. The exposure latitude
and color fidelity are ahead of those of K-7. The dynamic range
difference is evident once you start to play with curves and look into
shadow-to-light transitions.

2. Under low light both cameras struggle, though my friend does not
shoot above ISO 1600, while I shoot at ISO 3200. Given pixel count
advantage, I think it might be possible to downsize Sony images to
take care of some of the noise.

So, on the surface it looks like naturally one might want to upgrade
to either full frame or another Pentax camera with better sensor.

On the other hand, I had to look at 1:1 or even 3:1 (300%
magnification) and really side by side to see those differences. Of
course playing with exposure slider makes different impression
immediately, but beside that I really don't think that Pentax is so
much behind. Let's say that the difference is 10-15% although I do
admit and do realize that these percentage points are meaningless.
What I am trying to say is that the difference is relatively small.

I have some reservations about the aforementioned lenses' performance
in some of the situations, but that's a different matter.

Thankfully, I don't feel like I should or even must update from K-7 to
K-5 or to Canon 5DMk2 or whatever. I kind of used to feel that way
having seen Paul's comparison shots from his basement.

I also think that to say that camera A offers revolutionary
improvements in IQ dept over camera B (*) would be a serious
overstatement or simply a market speak.

Well, at least I had my chance to vent.

Boris

(*) As long as both A and B are of similar general class. It stands to
reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have
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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Boris Liberman]

I respectfully disagree, J.C. It depends on the size of the images to be 
printed. I don't print bigger than A3. For that purpose A850 is actually 
an overkill.


Boris

On 1/11/2011 8:12 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

excepting resolution is a big exception...

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stenquist
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:05 PM
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Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos


Good post. I suspect that the K-5 can outperform the A850 in all but pixel
count. But that's just a guess based on sensor tests and a wedding
photographer friend's comments regarding his A850. Paul On Jan 11, 2011, at
7:07 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


Hi!

As I wrote earlier, my friends from DC (well, actually it is MD, but I
like to think of this as DC) came for a visit and left. Among other
things I did back up photos for my friend and I was given an
opportunity to keep them for my examination. He has Sony A850 and an
assortment of lenses, notably the famous Minolta Beer Can, Tamron
17-35/2.8-4.0 and Tamron 90/2.8 macro.

I have looked and processed and examined and pixel peeped few dozen
images and compared some of them side by side given that we were
shooting at the same time on the same location.

Few ideas crossed my mind:

1. Under bright day light Sony wins hands down. The exposure latitude
and color fidelity are ahead of those of K-7. The dynamic range
difference is evident once you start to play with curves and look into
shadow-to-light transitions.

2. Under low light both cameras struggle, though my friend does not
shoot above ISO 1600, while I shoot at ISO 3200. Given pixel count
advantage, I think it might be possible to downsize Sony images to
take care of some of the noise.

So, on the surface it looks like naturally one might want to upgrade
to either full frame or another Pentax camera with better sensor.

On the other hand, I had to look at 1:1 or even 3:1 (300%
magnification) and really side by side to see those differences. Of
course playing with exposure slider makes different impression
immediately, but beside that I really don't think that Pentax is so
much behind. Let's say that the difference is 10-15% although I do
admit and do realize that these percentage points are meaningless.
What I am trying to say is that the difference is relatively small.

I have some reservations about the aforementioned lenses' performance
in some of the situations, but that's a different matter.

Thankfully, I don't feel like I should or even must update from K-7 to
K-5 or to Canon 5DMk2 or whatever. I kind of used to feel that way
having seen Paul's comparison shots from his basement.

I also think that to say that camera A offers revolutionary
improvements in IQ dept over camera B (*) would be a serious
overstatement or simply a market speak.

Well, at least I had my chance to vent.

Boris

(*) As long as both A and B are of similar general class. It stands to
reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have
seemed initially.

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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Ken, if wrote "particular" or "specific" would it be more clear? I may have 
> used an imprecise term.

That's not going to stop those of us who only speak one language from teasing 
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Re: Vivian Maier Opening Reception

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Pasvorn.  Much appreciated.  Cheers, Christine


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Nice one Christine.

Thank you for the coverage.

-Pasvorn

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Christine  Aguila  
wrote:

Hi Everyone: Here's a quick gallery of photos from the opening reception.
http://www.caguila.com/caguila/pdmlmaier/index.html



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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Boris Liberman]

Ken, if wrote "particular" or "specific" would it be more clear? I may 
have used an imprecise term.


On 1/11/2011 10:40 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

My understanding is that Mark is doing somewhat special kind of
photography, mostly (daylight) landscape and nature.


Wasn't aware this was considered a 'special kind of photography' !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" 
Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos



On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote:

On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman wrote:


It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it
might have seemed initially.


S Don't tell Mark


Oh, hmmm, ahem, well. Let me see. My understanding is that Mark is
doing somewhat special kind of photography, mostly (daylight)
landscape and nature. This is where Sony A850 will shine with its
extended dynamic range, great many pixels and excellent color
fidelity. I also think that Mark is using top grade glass (Carl Zeiss,
etc) and a proper technique (tripod, etc). It is then most likely that
he extract the most from his 24x36 gear.

However for other kinds of photography: street, casual portrait,
travel and even for landscape some of the 24x36 advantages are not all
that advantageous, so to say. Surely and verily there is an
improvement, but its value may have been (deliberately?!) overestimated.

Just to make it certain - mine is not the case of a fox and unripened
grapes...

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Re: PESO - Stylin' and Not

[Christine Nielsen]

ISO 3200, huh?  Sweet.  That's what I'm talkin' about!

:)
-c

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:56 AM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> A coffee shop portrait
>
> K-5, DA* 60-135, f11, ISO 3200
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12217970&size=lg
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WTB: K-7

[John Celio]

Anyone have a K-7 for sale?  Responses to my wedding photography question 
got me thinking it might be worth getting a used K-7 so I can get accustomed 
to the body layout, and I figure most people here are the type who take good 
care of their cameras.


Contact me off-list if you've got a K-7 that needs a new home.  I'm not 
completely sure if I can really afford this right now, but I'd like to see 
what's out there.


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Re: My Little Gymnast, OR: Why I Might "Need" a K-5, OR: Better Noise Reduction Software

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On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

> Stan, I like the way you think.  Especially the part about buying 2
> k-5s and keeping the k-7.
> 
> And the part about the output media... I'll definitely try some prints
> before I buy more hardware.  That's something I need to do more of
> anyway, with all the POCKing I do...
> 

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Re: New Auto 110?

[Steven Desjardins]

It is funny, huh?  the 4/3 sensor is almost exactly the size of the 110 frame.

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>> being it different enough from their SLR line and not as silly as the I10. A 
>> clever move indeed. Naah... too clever for Pentax, I don't believe it's 
>> going to happen.
>> After all, just read all those other silly K-rumors, none of which happened.
>>
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Re: My Little Gymnast, OR: Why I Might "Need" a K-5, OR: Better Noise Reduction Software

[Christine Nielsen]

Stan, I like the way you think.  Especially the part about buying 2
k-5s and keeping the k-7.

And the part about the output media... I'll definitely try some prints
before I buy more hardware.  That's something I need to do more of
anyway, with all the POCKing I do...

:)
-c

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> If you want fast, there is always the PK-A 50/1.2 . . .
>
> My vote:
> a. Stick with what you have for a meet or two. Even better, take a bunch of 
> photos at practice sessions; if experiments don't work out, it won't be quite 
> as painful as missing out on a great shot during competition. Evaluate what 
> focal length(s) you are most often using. Play with the processing. Think 
> about the output media (are these for wall-sized prints? 4x6's for the 
> grandparents? viewing on a PC?) and how much sharpness etc you really need.
> b. Then -
>        1. go with one or two fast primes. Wider is better, you can always 
> crop later.
>                1.1 If you decide to go with two primes, buy a second K-7.
>        2. after 6 months, then buy the K-5 (or two of them).
>                2.1 Keep one of the K-7's as a backup, mount your 50-135 on it 
> . . .
>
> stan
>
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Aside from a 50 1.4, which is substantially faster than your 50-135 but not 
>>> long enough for the most part, anything faster than the lens you're using 
>>> would have to be a prime, and an expensive one at that. And  you won't have 
>>> the flexibility that a zoom gives you for this type of work. The 50-135 is 
>>> an excellent and relatively fast lens. Go for the K-5.
>>> Paul
>>
>> I got to play with the 50/1.4 a couple of months ago, when the Pentax
>> road show came to town.  I've never shot with anything that fast, and
>> it was *amazing*.  I think you're right that the zoom is better for
>> this situation, but that one is still on my wish list.
>>
>> Along with a k-5.
>>
>> And an upgrade to cs5.
>>
>> Thanks for your input, Paul. ( I noticed you voted twice, but I can
>> only count it once...  ;)  )
>>
>> -c
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Re: My Little Gymnast, OR: Why I Might "Need" a K-5, OR: Better Noise Reduction Software

[Christine Nielsen]

Interesting... for some reason, flickr is flaky in firefox, and I
rarely can get to that actions drop-down... I have to switch to safari
to see it... so, I only seldom see my exif data on flickr...

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> On 11-01-10 10:25 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Bruce Walker
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Judging from the EXIF data it looks like these shots were taken as JPEGs
>>> and
>>> posted pretty much without any further processing. Is that right?
>>
>> That's odd... I wonder what flickr says about my exif data...?  I
>> pretty much always shoot raw, and they have been tweaked a bit in
>> ACR/cs4...
>
> Ah, OK.  Well perhaps you stripped off much of the EXIF when you saved as
> JPEG? There are several ways to get to JPEG (eg Save-as and "Save for web")
> and each preserves different amounts of EXIF depending on what tick-boxes
> you choose.  I used the Actions->View EXIF dropdown in Flickr to check your
> shots. Normally there's a field mentioning (eg) Adobe PS CS4 in there (as in
> many of my images) but I didn't see it on your images.
>
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Re: My Little Gymnast, OR: Why I Might "Need" a K-5, OR: Better Noise Reduction Software

[Christine Nielsen]

I have a confession to make:  I think I'm not willing to manual focus.

Is that bad?

Or, at least not exclusively... I have an old A50/2 that came on my
k1000... and a vivitar 70-210 (the good one, even!)... and while I
like the results of these lenses, I seldom use them.  I throw the 50
on only if compactness is really an issue, and the 70-210 only if I
really need the reach, since it is my longest lens.   Maybe I'm lazy.
Maybe my eyes are feeling 40.  But, I don't think I'm going to buy
another MF-only lens.

There, I said it.  I feel better now that's out in the open.

:)
-c

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> On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Aside from a 50 1.4, which is substantially faster than your 50-135 but not 
>>> long enough for the most part, anything faster than the lens you're using 
>>> would have to be a prime, and an expensive one at that. And  you won't have 
>>> the flexibility that a zoom gives you for this type of work. The 50-135 is 
>>> an excellent and relatively fast lens. Go for the K-5.
>>> Paul
>>
>> I got to play with the 50/1.4 a couple of months ago, when the Pentax
>> road show came to town.  I've never shot with anything that fast, and
>> it was *amazing*.  I think you're right that the zoom is better for
>> this situation, but that one is still on my wish list.
>
> Christine, if you're willing to manually focus, what you should do is watch 
> craigslist for people selling or giving away old Pentax cameras. I've gotten 
> spotmatics with 50/1.4 supertaks for $50 all the way down to free.  You can 
> get an m42 to K adapter for $20, and that'll get you a very nice, fast, and 
> cheap manual focus lens.  Since you'd really only be using it when you need a 
> lens that is faster than f/2.8, it won't matter that won't automatically stop 
> down, just focus with it stopped down anyways.
>
> For that matter, someone on this list might even have a spare.  Hell, if I 
> start jonesing for a K-5 any harder, I might be willing to sell my spare.
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Re: My Little Gymnast, OR: Why I Might "Need" a K-5, OR: Better Noise Reduction Software

[Christine Nielsen]

Thank you, Boris... She's quite pleased with herself, hasn't stopped
grinning yet.

Another vote of confidence for the Adobe NR...! I'm thinking a
software upgrade is in order for me... at the very least.  ;)



On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi, Christine.
>
> I looked at the pictures. First of all, please congratulate your daughter,
> if I understand correctly, she won the first place. Wonderful achievement as
> it surely would boost her self-confidence in the future in every area, not
> just gymnastics.
>
> Now to the photography part. I think you did well with K-7. Since you did
> not provide full size files, only 1024 pixels on the long edge, it is hard
> to see how printable they are, but I think that A4's can be printed quite
> easily.

>> With my k-7&  50-135, the results were reasonable, for what they are,
>> shot at 3200iso, f2.8, 1/125 sec.  (I put some snaps up here:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028...@n04/sets/72157625788531640/with/5341649434/)
>>  But, I could do with less noise.  And even higher iso (or wider
>> apertures) could get me faster shutter speed, which would also improve
>> matters.
>>
>> So, I'm trying to decide where to focus my longing...
>> 1) a k-5?  (for all the obvious reasons)
>> 2) faster lens?  (most shots are within the 50-85mm range)
>> 3) noise reduction software? (I only have what's available in
>> ACR/cs4... open to suggestions, thoughts on this)
>>
>> What do you think?
>
> 1. K-5 will probably help you. I cannot say for sure, but the common opinion
> has it that it improves greatly over K-7 in many aspects of IQ - dynamic
> range, noise, color fidelity. But it is expensive.
>
> 2. I don't think that there are too many faster lenses to suggest to you. In
> fact, f/2.8 is where all zooms max out their aperture. At least those in
> Pentax K mount. I don't believe that DA 70/2.4 limited will offer serious
> gain in speed. The next candidate is FA 77/1.8 limited and the final one is
> FA* 85/1.4. FA 77 costs less than USD 1000, while FA* 85 costs more than
> this figure. I've FA 77 and it is mighty fine lens. There is a gotcha with
> FA 77. It has rather long focus throw and therefore it does not focus all
> too fast. I cannot say about gymnastics as I never shot such a thing, but it
> may prove problematic. In principle you could resolve this by switching your
> camera to rapid fire mode (or even slow fire mode - 3fps) and simply
> shooting in bursts.
>
> 3. I've LR 3.3 and before that I bought Topaz DeNoise for USD 80. Prior to
> that I did not believe in NR software and now I do. You can download fully
> operational 30 day trial from their web site and this is what I did. It does
> very convincing job.
>
>>
>> FWIW, I've considered asking her to switch sports.  But it wouldn't
>> help much -- she also plays hockey...  :)
>
> I thought hockey and gymnastics had rather opposite requirements on one's
> body...
>
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Re: My Little Gymnast, OR: Why I Might "Need" a K-5, OR: Better Noise Reduction Software

[Stan Halpin]

My impression has been that, when POCKing (Photos Of Cute Kids), budget is of 
no concern. No direct experience myself. 

stan

On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> Actually, with less than that kit budget Christine could probably afford to 
> hire contractors to install much brighter lighting in the gymnasium. :-)
> 
> -bmw
> 
> On 11-01-11 6:06 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>> Wow, Stan, another K7, two K5's, a couple of fast primes and the
>> 50-135.  Would you mind talking to my spouse sometime?  I just can't
>> make it sound this reasonable.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Stan Halpin
>>   wrote:
>>> If you want fast, there is always the PK-A 50/1.2 . . .
>>> 
>>> My vote:
>>> a. Stick with what you have for a meet or two. Even better, take a bunch of 
>>> photos at practice sessions; if experiments don't work out, it won't be 
>>> quite as painful as missing out on a great shot during competition. 
>>> Evaluate what focal length(s) you are most often using. Play with the 
>>> processing. Think about the output media (are these for wall-sized prints? 
>>> 4x6's for the grandparents? viewing on a PC?) and how much sharpness etc 
>>> you really need.
>>> b. Then -
>>>1. go with one or two fast primes. Wider is better, you can always 
>>> crop later.
>>>1.1 If you decide to go with two primes, buy a second K-7.
>>>2. after 6 months, then buy the K-5 (or two of them).
>>>2.1 Keep one of the K-7's as a backup, mount your 50-135 on 
>>> it . . .
>>> 
>>> stan
>>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>>> 
> Aside from a 50 1.4, which is substantially faster than your 50-135 but 
> not long enough for the most part, anything faster than the lens you're 
> using would have to be a prime, and an expensive one at that. And  you 
> won't have the flexibility that a zoom gives you for this type of work. 
> The 50-135 is an excellent and relatively fast lens. Go for the K-5.
> Paul
 I got to play with the 50/1.4 a couple of months ago, when the Pentax
 road show came to town.  I've never shot with anything that fast, and
 it was *amazing*.  I think you're right that the zoom is better for
 this situation, but that one is still on my wish list.
 
 Along with a k-5.
 
 And an upgrade to cs5.
 
 Thanks for your input, Paul. ( I noticed you voted twice, but I can
 only count it once...  ;)  )
 
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Re: My Little Gymnast, OR: Why I Might "Need" a K-5, OR: Better Noise Reduction Software

[Larry Colen]

Or, she could get one of these, with an IR filter over an off camera flash:
http://www.fujifilmusa.com/products/digital_cameras/is/finepix_is1/index.html


On Jan 11, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> Actually, with less than that kit budget Christine could probably afford to 
> hire contractors to install much brighter lighting in the gymnasium. :-)
> 
> -bmw
> 
> On 11-01-11 6:06 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>> Wow, Stan, another K7, two K5's, a couple of fast primes and the
>> 50-135.  Would you mind talking to my spouse sometime?  I just can't
>> make it sound this reasonable.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Stan Halpin
>>   wrote:
>>> If you want fast, there is always the PK-A 50/1.2 . . .
>>> 
>>> My vote:
>>> a. Stick with what you have for a meet or two. Even better, take a bunch of 
>>> photos at practice sessions; if experiments don't work out, it won't be 
>>> quite as painful as missing out on a great shot during competition. 
>>> Evaluate what focal length(s) you are most often using. Play with the 
>>> processing. Think about the output media (are these for wall-sized prints? 
>>> 4x6's for the grandparents? viewing on a PC?) and how much sharpness etc 
>>> you really need.
>>> b. Then -
>>>1. go with one or two fast primes. Wider is better, you can always 
>>> crop later.
>>>1.1 If you decide to go with two primes, buy a second K-7.
>>>2. after 6 months, then buy the K-5 (or two of them).
>>>2.1 Keep one of the K-7's as a backup, mount your 50-135 on 
>>> it . . .
>>> 
>>> stan
>>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>>> 
> Aside from a 50 1.4, which is substantially faster than your 50-135 but 
> not long enough for the most part, anything faster than the lens you're 
> using would have to be a prime, and an expensive one at that. And  you 
> won't have the flexibility that a zoom gives you for this type of work. 
> The 50-135 is an excellent and relatively fast lens. Go for the K-5.
> Paul
 I got to play with the 50/1.4 a couple of months ago, when the Pentax
 road show came to town.  I've never shot with anything that fast, and
 it was *amazing*.  I think you're right that the zoom is better for
 this situation, but that one is still on my wish list.
 
 Along with a k-5.
 
 And an upgrade to cs5.
 
 Thanks for your input, Paul. ( I noticed you voted twice, but I can
 only count it once...  ;)  )
 
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Re: New Auto 110?

[David Parsons]

They could just put a 4/3s sensor in a 110 body.  Then they rerelease
the lenses with new coatings.

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> A Pentax  mirrorless camera system based on a 4/3 sensor would make sense, 
> being it different enough from their SLR line and not as silly as the I10. A 
> clever move indeed. Naah... too clever for Pentax, I don't believe it's going 
> to happen.
> After all, just read all those other silly K-rumors, none of which happened.
>
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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

[Ann Sanfedele]

David J Brooks wrote:


On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
 


On Jan 10, 2011, at 4:04 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

   


http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/01/10/the-pentax-k5-digital-camera-review/
 


Nice review.  His grammar and spelling are almost like running something Dave 
wrote through a spell checker, and not >looking to see what words come up as 
the suggested correction.
   



I do what i can to help out

Dave
 


Made me look...
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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

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On 11-01-11 3:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


DA40 has the FOV that of a 60 mm lens on APS-C camera. It is awfully close to 
58 mm which, I think, was kind of a standard lens some decades ago. 50, 55, 58 
mm - all are quite normal.

I grew up with an SRT-101 with a 58/1.4 so the focal length doesn't seem at all 
odd to me.  I love the compact size, but am beginning to think that the 35 
macro would be the best candidate for a one camera/one lens walk in the woods.


Larry, absolutely. I use mine for that, and also for street photography.

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Re: My Little Gymnast, OR: Why I Might "Need" a K-5, OR: Better Noise Reduction Software

[Bruce Walker]

Actually, with less than that kit budget Christine could probably afford 
to hire contractors to install much brighter lighting in the gymnasium. :-)


-bmw

On 11-01-11 6:06 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Wow, Stan, another K7, two K5's, a couple of fast primes and the
50-135.  Would you mind talking to my spouse sometime?  I just can't
make it sound this reasonable.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Stan Halpin
  wrote:

If you want fast, there is always the PK-A 50/1.2 . . .

My vote:
a. Stick with what you have for a meet or two. Even better, take a bunch of 
photos at practice sessions; if experiments don't work out, it won't be quite 
as painful as missing out on a great shot during competition. Evaluate what 
focal length(s) you are most often using. Play with the processing. Think about 
the output media (are these for wall-sized prints? 4x6's for the grandparents? 
viewing on a PC?) and how much sharpness etc you really need.
b. Then -
1. go with one or two fast primes. Wider is better, you can always crop 
later.
1.1 If you decide to go with two primes, buy a second K-7.
2. after 6 months, then buy the K-5 (or two of them).
2.1 Keep one of the K-7's as a backup, mount your 50-135 on it 
. . .

stan

On Jan 10, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:


Aside from a 50 1.4, which is substantially faster than your 50-135 but not 
long enough for the most part, anything faster than the lens you're using would 
have to be a prime, and an expensive one at that. And  you won't have the 
flexibility that a zoom gives you for this type of work. The 50-135 is an 
excellent and relatively fast lens. Go for the K-5.
Paul

I got to play with the 50/1.4 a couple of months ago, when the Pentax
road show came to town.  I've never shot with anything that fast, and
it was *amazing*.  I think you're right that the zoom is better for
this situation, but that one is still on my wish list.

Along with a k-5.

And an upgrade to cs5.

Thanks for your input, Paul. ( I noticed you voted twice, but I can
only count it once...  ;)  )

-c

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Re: New Auto 110?

[Cotty]

On 11/1/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I can see it now.  Pentax will make a camera with every sensor,
>smaller or larger, except the 24 x 36.  Cotty's hat will reign in
>triumph.

I may have it cast in bronze :-O

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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

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On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

> Thanks Paul - interesting & informative.
> 
> I wondered what this quote really means - "If the next lens introduced is a 
> limited lens, it likely won't have SDM". Are they acknowledging issues with 
> SDM or what?

No. I think he makes it clear that implementing SDM just isn't feasible in 
compact lenses. They would no longer be compact.
Paul


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> - Original Message - From: "paul stenquist" 
> Subject: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson
> 
> 
>> No real surprises, but some things of interest:
>> http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1294684183.html
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Re: New Auto 110?

[Steven Desjardins]

I can see it now.  Pentax will make a camera with every sensor,
smaller or larger, except the 24 x 36.  Cotty's hat will reign in
triumph.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Dario Bonazza
 wrote:
> A Pentax  mirrorless camera system based on a 4/3 sensor would make sense,
> being it different enough from their SLR line and not as silly as the I10. A
> clever move indeed. Naah... too clever for Pentax, I don't believe it's
> going to happen.
> After all, just read all those other silly K-rumors, none of which happened.
>
> Dario
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Re: My Little Gymnast, OR: Why I Might "Need" a K-5, OR: Better Noise Reduction Software

[Steven Desjardins]

Wow, Stan, another K7, two K5's, a couple of fast primes and the
50-135.  Would you mind talking to my spouse sometime?  I just can't
make it sound this reasonable.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> If you want fast, there is always the PK-A 50/1.2 . . .
>
> My vote:
> a. Stick with what you have for a meet or two. Even better, take a bunch of 
> photos at practice sessions; if experiments don't work out, it won't be quite 
> as painful as missing out on a great shot during competition. Evaluate what 
> focal length(s) you are most often using. Play with the processing. Think 
> about the output media (are these for wall-sized prints? 4x6's for the 
> grandparents? viewing on a PC?) and how much sharpness etc you really need.
> b. Then -
>        1. go with one or two fast primes. Wider is better, you can always 
> crop later.
>                1.1 If you decide to go with two primes, buy a second K-7.
>        2. after 6 months, then buy the K-5 (or two of them).
>                2.1 Keep one of the K-7's as a backup, mount your 50-135 on it 
> . . .
>
> stan
>
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Aside from a 50 1.4, which is substantially faster than your 50-135 but not 
>>> long enough for the most part, anything faster than the lens you're using 
>>> would have to be a prime, and an expensive one at that. And  you won't have 
>>> the flexibility that a zoom gives you for this type of work. The 50-135 is 
>>> an excellent and relatively fast lens. Go for the K-5.
>>> Paul
>>
>> I got to play with the 50/1.4 a couple of months ago, when the Pentax
>> road show came to town.  I've never shot with anything that fast, and
>> it was *amazing*.  I think you're right that the zoom is better for
>> this situation, but that one is still on my wish list.
>>
>> Along with a k-5.
>>
>> And an upgrade to cs5.
>>
>> Thanks for your input, Paul. ( I noticed you voted twice, but I can
>> only count it once...  ;)  )
>>
>> -c
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Re: New Auto 110?

[Steven Desjardins]

The funny part is that the 110 was an SLR.  A mirrorless version would
keep that little prism hump?  Just like that little "jewelry" compact,
what was it . . .

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Miserere  wrote:
> On 11 January 2011 17:41, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> This is fun:
>>
>> http://www.43rumors.com/pentax-about-to-announce-a-mirrorless-system-with-sensors-of-the-same-size-of-four-thirds-sensors/
>>
>> Might Pentax try to cash in on the "classic" camera trend?
>> --
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>
>
> But it gets better! Pentax will release TWO mirrorless cameras, one
> will be APS-C while the other (the 110D?) will have a smaller sensor:
>
> http://k-rumors.com/new-pentax-mirrorless-rumors-a-digital-auto-110-is-coming/
>
> This is so nonsensical I am inclined to believe it.
>
>
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Re: New Auto 110?

[Dario Bonazza]

A Pentax  mirrorless camera system based on a 4/3 sensor would make sense, 
being it different enough from their SLR line and not as silly as the I10. 
A clever move indeed. Naah... too clever for Pentax, I don't believe it's 
going to happen.

After all, just read all those other silly K-rumors, none of which happened.

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Re: New Auto 110?

[Steven Desjardins]

Oops, read it more carefully.  A little SLR with a 4/3 sensor, in
colors no doubt. Funny enough to make money . . .

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> The funny part is that the 110 was an SLR.  A mirrorless version would
> keep that little prism hump?  Just like that little "jewelry" compact,
> what was it . . .
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Miserere  wrote:
>> On 11 January 2011 17:41, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>>> This is fun:
>>>
>>> http://www.43rumors.com/pentax-about-to-announce-a-mirrorless-system-with-sensors-of-the-same-size-of-four-thirds-sensors/
>>>
>>> Might Pentax try to cash in on the "classic" camera trend?
>>> --
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>>
>>
>> But it gets better! Pentax will release TWO mirrorless cameras, one
>> will be APS-C while the other (the 110D?) will have a smaller sensor:
>>
>> http://k-rumors.com/new-pentax-mirrorless-rumors-a-digital-auto-110-is-coming/
>>
>> This is so nonsensical I am inclined to believe it.
>>
>>
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Re: My Little Gymnast, OR: Why I Might "Need" a K-5, OR: Better Noise Reduction Software

[Stan Halpin]

If you want fast, there is always the PK-A 50/1.2 . . .

My vote:
a. Stick with what you have for a meet or two. Even better, take a bunch of 
photos at practice sessions; if experiments don't work out, it won't be quite 
as painful as missing out on a great shot during competition. Evaluate what 
focal length(s) you are most often using. Play with the processing. Think about 
the output media (are these for wall-sized prints? 4x6's for the grandparents? 
viewing on a PC?) and how much sharpness etc you really need.
b. Then -
1. go with one or two fast primes. Wider is better, you can always crop 
later.
1.1 If you decide to go with two primes, buy a second K-7.
2. after 6 months, then buy the K-5 (or two of them).
2.1 Keep one of the K-7's as a backup, mount your 50-135 on it 
. . .

stan

On Jan 10, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

>> 
>> Aside from a 50 1.4, which is substantially faster than your 50-135 but not 
>> long enough for the most part, anything faster than the lens you're using 
>> would have to be a prime, and an expensive one at that. And  you won't have 
>> the flexibility that a zoom gives you for this type of work. The 50-135 is 
>> an excellent and relatively fast lens. Go for the K-5.
>> Paul
> 
> I got to play with the 50/1.4 a couple of months ago, when the Pentax
> road show came to town.  I've never shot with anything that fast, and
> it was *amazing*.  I think you're right that the zoom is better for
> this situation, but that one is still on my wish list.
> 
> Along with a k-5.
> 
> And an upgrade to cs5.
> 
> Thanks for your input, Paul. ( I noticed you voted twice, but I can
> only count it once...  ;)  )
> 
> -c
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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

[Cotty]

On 11/1/11, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Those have a few disadvantages:
>They give a slight magnification (about 1.1x I'm told)
>You lose both autofocus and automatic diaphragm
>They insert a cheap, uncoated, plastic, single-element lens into the
>optical system.
>
>Basically, this device turns your 43 Limited into a Lensbaby.
>(An exaggeration perhaps, but I like how one PDMLer - name since
>forgotten - put it a few years ago: "This will do nothing but add suck
>to your pictures".)

In that case, there's only one thing for it. I'll take the Dremel to the
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Re: New Auto 110?

[Miserere]

On 11 January 2011 17:41, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> This is fun:
>
> http://www.43rumors.com/pentax-about-to-announce-a-mirrorless-system-with-sensors-of-the-same-size-of-four-thirds-sensors/
>
> Might Pentax try to cash in on the "classic" camera trend?
> --
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But it gets better! Pentax will release TWO mirrorless cameras, one
will be APS-C while the other (the 110D?) will have a smaller sensor:

http://k-rumors.com/new-pentax-mirrorless-rumors-a-digital-auto-110-is-coming/

This is so nonsensical I am inclined to believe it.


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New Auto 110?

[Steven Desjardins]

This is fun:

http://www.43rumors.com/pentax-about-to-announce-a-mirrorless-system-with-sensors-of-the-same-size-of-four-thirds-sensors/

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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

>On 11/1/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Mr. Cottrell to the white courtesy phone.
>
>Actually, this could be a bit simpler:
>
>Adapter-/350320308792>

Those have a few disadvantages:
They give a slight magnification (about 1.1x I'm told)
You lose both autofocus and automatic diaphragm
They insert a cheap, uncoated, plastic, single-element lens into the
optical system.

Basically, this device turns your 43 Limited into a Lensbaby.
(An exaggeration perhaps, but I like how one PDMLer - name since
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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

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Subject: Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson


On 11 January 2011 15:53, Ken Waller  wrote:

Thanks Paul - interesting & informative.

I wondered what this quote really means - "If the next lens introduced is 
a
limited lens, it likely won't have SDM". Are they acknowledging issues 
with

SDM or what?



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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

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On 11/1/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>Mr. Cottrell to the white courtesy phone.

Actually, this could be a bit simpler:



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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

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>> If there was a way of fitting my Pentax Limited glass on my Sony A850
>> body I'd be hyperventilating by now.

On 11/1/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Mr. Cottrell to the white courtesy phone.

LOCK DOWN. Please seal all the doors and remain calm. I will be coming
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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

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On 11 January 2011 15:40, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> My understanding is that Mark is doing somewhat special kind of
>> photography, mostly (daylight) landscape and nature.
>
> Wasn't aware this was considered a 'special kind of photography' !

It's "special" when Mark does it.


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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

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On 11 January 2011 15:53, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Thanks Paul - interesting & informative.
>
> I wondered what this quote really means - "If the next lens introduced is a
> limited lens, it likely won't have SDM". Are they acknowledging issues with
> SDM or what?

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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

[Bruce Walker]

None of the existing Limited lenses are SDM, are they?  Maybe that 
quote's just a brain fart.


-bmw

On 11-01-11 3:53 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Thanks Paul - interesting & informative.

I wondered what this quote really means - "If the next lens introduced 
is a limited lens, it likely won't have SDM". Are they acknowledging 
issues with SDM or what?


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "paul stenquist" 


Subject: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson



No real surprises, but some things of interest:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1294684183.html






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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

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Thanks Paul - interesting & informative.

I wondered what this quote really means - "If the next lens introduced is a 
limited lens, it likely won't have SDM". Are they acknowledging issues with 
SDM or what?


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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Subject: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson



No real surprises, but some things of interest:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1294684183.html



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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

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On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Steven Desjardins wrote:
> 
>> Sadly, Boris, I had the same thought.  I found the DA40 to be the
>> wrong FL for nearly all situations.
> 
> 40-43mm is wonderful on full-frame :-)
> 
> If there was a way of fitting my Pentax Limited glass on my Sony A850
> body I'd be hyperventilating by now.

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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

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On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> DA40 has the FOV that of a 60 mm lens on APS-C camera. It is awfully close to 
> 58 mm which, I think, was kind of a standard lens some decades ago. 50, 55, 
> 58 mm - all are quite normal.

I grew up with an SRT-101 with a 58/1.4 so the focal length doesn't seem at all 
odd to me.  I love the compact size, but am beginning to think that the 35 
macro would be the best candidate for a one camera/one lens walk in the woods.


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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

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Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos



Miserere wrote:


On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman  wrote:


It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it
might have seemed initially.


S Don't tell Mark


Really, the difference in resolution between 15MP and 25MP is pretty
amazing.


Yeah, but what do identical digital files (same ISO, exposure, subject) from
each camera look like when printed on the same printer?



Compared to Pentax the Sony loses in a few areas:
DOF preview mechanism is very awkward compared to Pentax
Lens mount button is very inconveniently located
No blinkies or superimposed histogram over instant review

Where the Sony is better:
Mechanical knob for shooting mode with 3 pre-sets is awesome
Pre-sets will control AF/MF setting (yay!)
Viewfinder is huge and bright
Exposure comp is more convenient to use
Quick access to ISO/WB/Drive/Exposure comp



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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Ken Waller]

My understanding is that Mark is doing somewhat special kind of 
photography, mostly (daylight) landscape and nature.


Wasn't aware this was considered a 'special kind of photography' !

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Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos



On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote:

On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman  wrote:


It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it
might have seemed initially.


S Don't tell Mark


Oh, hmmm, ahem, well. Let me see. My understanding is that Mark is doing 
somewhat special kind of photography, mostly (daylight) landscape and 
nature. This is where Sony A850 will shine with its extended dynamic 
range, great many pixels and excellent color fidelity. I also think that 
Mark is using top grade glass (Carl Zeiss, etc) and a proper technique 
(tripod, etc). It is then most likely that he extract the most from his 
24x36 gear.


However for other kinds of photography: street, casual portrait, travel 
and even for landscape some of the 24x36 advantages are not all that 
advantageous, so to say. Surely and verily there is an improvement, but 
its value may have been (deliberately?!) overestimated.


Just to make it certain - mine is not the case of a fox and unripened 
grapes...


Boris



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GESO does this make the K20 D'Artagnan ?

[Larry Colen]

Size comparison of the K100, K-x and K-r  with 18-55s and body caps.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625676430015/

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An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

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No real surprises, but some things of interest:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1294684183.html

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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Jack Davis]

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> From: Mark Roberts 
> Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:38 AM
> Miserere wrote:
> 
> >On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras
> are closer than it
> >> might have seemed initially.
> >
> >S Don't tell Mark
> 
> Really, the difference in resolution between 15MP and 25MP
> is pretty
> amazing.

A little less "amazing" if 16.3 MP? ;)

Jack

> 
> Compared to Pentax the Sony loses in a few areas:
> DOF preview mechanism is very awkward compared to Pentax
> Lens mount button is very inconveniently located
> No blinkies or superimposed histogram over instant review
> 
> Where the Sony is better:
> Mechanical knob for shooting mode with 3 pre-sets is
> awesome
> Pre-sets will control AF/MF setting (yay!)
> Viewfinder is huge and bright
> Exposure comp is more convenient to use
> Quick access to ISO/WB/Drive/Exposure comp
> 
> 
> 
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Re: That 3D look some are talking about ...

[Thibouille]

Interesting thoughts Boris.
But I never saw that effect with a 50mm on 'FF' or 30-35mm on APS-C.
Viewfinder/lens may very well be the 'culprit'. Or lack of 31/43 Limited :) :)
I really don't think this is a DOF issue. After all, my FA50/1.4 has
less d...@f1.4 than the 80/2.8 on 6x6.

The problem is the following, my (very basic) enlarger is 24x36 only.
No 6x6 prints at home. No way to check until I can afford a proper
enlarger (which ideally would do up to 4"x5") which won't be tomorrow
or the day after :(


2011/1/11 Boris Liberman :
> On 1/7/2011 3:54 PM, Thibouille wrote:
>>
>> ...with some lenses (Pentax of course).
>> I know this has been debated quite much and that it is somewhat weird
>> to talk about 3D in a photograph but...
>> man, my C330 does throw at me exactly that in its waist level finder
>> and 80mm/2.8 lens.
>>
>> Is that the lens? The finder? Medium format DOF ?
>> I'm surprised and...  impressed !
>>
>
> I think that 3D look has to do with specifics of how we psychologically
> perceive images. My understanding is that on 6x6 camera 80 mm lens has
> approximately the same angle of view as 50 mm lens on 35 mm camera - normal.
> It also occurs to me that may be MF viewfinders are just right in a sense of
> how large/small they are. I remember distinctly the same feeling of surprise
> looking through Jostein's Pentax 645 camera - the striking sense of
> presence, as if being inside the scene. Another thing to consider is
> tonality and OOF. If there is a smooth transition between dark and light and
> sharp and not sharp, it probably looks more real. It is because the eye
> would adjust itself according to the specific small area in the scene at
> which it is staring and it would basically feel "normal". Smaller cameras
> and hence wider lenses (for purpose of similar angle of view) would have
> this "everything is sharp" kind of perception, although its degree would
> differ from camera to camera and from lens to lens.
>
> I would be curious to know if the 3D feel is retained in the prints that you
> evidently make, Thibs.
>
> Hope I make minimal sense.
>
> Boris
>
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Re: PESO: What is This?

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Ken! Would need full length chain mail protected ballistic Kevlar glove 
to hold this one in your hand. ;)

Jack

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Ken Waller  wrote:

> From: Ken Waller 
> Subject: Re: PESO: What is This?
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:54 AM
> 
> Kenneth Waller
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> 
> - Original Message - From: "David Mann" 
> Subject: Re: PESO: What is This?
> 
> 
> > On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Chris Sheppard wrote:
> > 
> >> I think it's a bird. Don't quote me on that
> though; ornithology is not
> >> my strong point.
> > 
> > Looks more like a tree to me.  The bird is
> incidental.
> 
> That's it, its a bird in the tree - as opposed to a bird in
> the hand!
> 
> Immature Bald it appears to me.
> 
> > 
> > ;)
> > 
> > Dave
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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Ken Waller]

Yeah, but what do identical digital files (same ISO, exposure, subject) from 
each camera look like when printed on the same printer?


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- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman" 

Subject: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos



Hi!

As I wrote earlier, my friends from DC (well, actually it is MD, but I 
like to think of this as DC) came for a visit and left. Among other things 
I did back up photos for my friend and I was given an opportunity to keep 
them for my examination. He has Sony A850 and an assortment of lenses, 
notably the famous Minolta Beer Can, Tamron 17-35/2.8-4.0 and Tamron 
90/2.8 macro.


I have looked and processed and examined and pixel peeped few dozen images 
and compared some of them side by side given that we were shooting at the 
same time on the same location.


Few ideas crossed my mind:

1. Under bright day light Sony wins hands down. The exposure latitude and 
color fidelity are ahead of those of K-7. The dynamic range difference is 
evident once you start to play with curves and look into shadow-to-light 
transitions.


2. Under low light both cameras struggle, though my friend does not shoot 
above ISO 1600, while I shoot at ISO 3200. Given pixel count advantage, I 
think it might be possible to downsize Sony images to take care of some of 
the noise.


So, on the surface it looks like naturally one might want to upgrade to 
either full frame or another Pentax camera with better sensor.


On the other hand, I had to look at 1:1 or even 3:1 (300% magnification) 
and really side by side to see those differences. Of course playing with 
exposure slider makes different impression immediately, but beside that I 
really don't think that Pentax is so much behind. Let's say that the 
difference is 10-15% although I do admit and do realize that these 
percentage points are meaningless. What I am trying to say is that the 
difference is relatively small.


I have some reservations about the aforementioned lenses' performance in 
some of the situations, but that's a different matter.


Thankfully, I don't feel like I should or even must update from K-7 to K-5 
or to Canon 5DMk2 or whatever. I kind of used to feel that way having seen 
Paul's comparison shots from his basement.


I also think that to say that camera A offers revolutionary improvements 
in IQ dept over camera B (*) would be a serious overstatement or simply a 
market speak.


Well, at least I had my chance to vent.

Boris

(*) As long as both A and B are of similar general class. It stands to 
reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed 
initially.



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Re: PESO: What is This?

[Ken Waller]

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- Original Message - 
From: "David Mann" 

Subject: Re: PESO: What is This?



On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Chris Sheppard wrote:


I think it's a bird. Don't quote me on that though; ornithology is not
my strong point.


Looks more like a tree to me.  The bird is incidental.


That's it, its a bird in the tree - as opposed to a bird in the hand!

Immature Bald it appears to me.



;)

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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Mark Roberts]

Miserere wrote:

>On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>
>> It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it
>> might have seemed initially.
>
>S Don't tell Mark

Really, the difference in resolution between 15MP and 25MP is pretty
amazing.

Compared to Pentax the Sony loses in a few areas:
DOF preview mechanism is very awkward compared to Pentax
Lens mount button is very inconveniently located
No blinkies or superimposed histogram over instant review

Where the Sony is better:
Mechanical knob for shooting mode with 3 pre-sets is awesome
Pre-sets will control AF/MF setting (yay!)
Viewfinder is huge and bright
Exposure comp is more convenient to use
Quick access to ISO/WB/Drive/Exposure comp




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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Steven Desjardins]

Mark!

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Miserere  wrote:
> On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>
>> It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it
>> might have seemed initially.
>
> S Don't tell Mark
>
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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:39 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>>the K-5 with the FA43 looks to be a lovely package.
>
> Stop saying things like that...

lol ... Ok, a K-5 with DA21 and FA43 would be an even lovelier package. ];-)

Seriously, this pair of lenses are what almost kept in the Pentax
K10D. They make a nearly perfect kit for my photography and, in the
end, were all that I used with any frequency. I never liked the FA31
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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Dario Bonazza]

J.C. O'Connell wrote:


FF cameras arent necessarily much larger than aps based ones.


Not necessarily, but they are much larger. That's probably because Pentax 
hasn't one.


Oddly enough, 4/3 cameras should be much smaller than APS-based ones, but 
they have never been, aren't and (likely) will not be. Just compare K-5 to 
Olympus E-5, or Sony EX series to Olympus PEN series.


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RE: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[J.C. O'Connell]

FF cameras arent necessarily much larger than aps based ones.
Same lensmount and registration...

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Den 11. jan. 2011 kl. 18.51 skrev Boris Liberman:

> On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote:
>> On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it 
>>> might have seemed initially.
>> 
>> S Don't tell Mark
> 
> Oh, hmmm, ahem, well. Let me see. My understanding is that Mark is 
> doing somewhat special kind of photography, mostly (daylight) 
> landscape and nature. This is where Sony A850 will shine with its 
> extended dynamic range, great many pixels and excellent color 
> fidelity. I also think that Mark is using top grade glass (Carl Zeiss, 
> etc) and a proper technique (tripod, etc). It is then most likely that 
> he extract the most from his 24x36 gear.
> 
> However for other kinds of photography: street, casual portrait, 
> travel and even for landscape some of the 24x36 advantages are not all 
> that advantageous, so to say. Surely and verily there is an 
> improvement, but its value may have been (deliberately?!) 
> overestimated.

Marketing, marketing...

But it is great that you confirm my impression that the 24x36 format
wouldn´t be important to me. I like the size of K-5...

DagT


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RE: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[J.C. O'Connell]

excepting resolution is a big exception...

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Good post. I suspect that the K-5 can outperform the A850 in all but pixel
count. But that's just a guess based on sensor tests and a wedding
photographer friend's comments regarding his A850. Paul On Jan 11, 2011, at
7:07 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> As I wrote earlier, my friends from DC (well, actually it is MD, but I 
> like to think of this as DC) came for a visit and left. Among other 
> things I did back up photos for my friend and I was given an 
> opportunity to keep them for my examination. He has Sony A850 and an 
> assortment of lenses, notably the famous Minolta Beer Can, Tamron 
> 17-35/2.8-4.0 and Tamron 90/2.8 macro.
> 
> I have looked and processed and examined and pixel peeped few dozen 
> images and compared some of them side by side given that we were 
> shooting at the same time on the same location.
> 
> Few ideas crossed my mind:
> 
> 1. Under bright day light Sony wins hands down. The exposure latitude 
> and color fidelity are ahead of those of K-7. The dynamic range 
> difference is evident once you start to play with curves and look into 
> shadow-to-light transitions.
> 
> 2. Under low light both cameras struggle, though my friend does not 
> shoot above ISO 1600, while I shoot at ISO 3200. Given pixel count 
> advantage, I think it might be possible to downsize Sony images to 
> take care of some of the noise.
> 
> So, on the surface it looks like naturally one might want to upgrade 
> to either full frame or another Pentax camera with better sensor.
> 
> On the other hand, I had to look at 1:1 or even 3:1 (300% 
> magnification) and really side by side to see those differences. Of 
> course playing with exposure slider makes different impression 
> immediately, but beside that I really don't think that Pentax is so 
> much behind. Let's say that the difference is 10-15% although I do 
> admit and do realize that these percentage points are meaningless. 
> What I am trying to say is that the difference is relatively small.
> 
> I have some reservations about the aforementioned lenses' performance 
> in some of the situations, but that's a different matter.
> 
> Thankfully, I don't feel like I should or even must update from K-7 to 
> K-5 or to Canon 5DMk2 or whatever. I kind of used to feel that way 
> having seen Paul's comparison shots from his basement.
> 
> I also think that to say that camera A offers revolutionary 
> improvements in IQ dept over camera B (*) would be a serious 
> overstatement or simply a market speak.
> 
> Well, at least I had my chance to vent.
> 
> Boris
> 
> (*) As long as both A and B are of similar general class. It stands to 
> reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have 
> seemed initially.
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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[DagT]

Den 11. jan. 2011 kl. 18.51 skrev Boris Liberman:

> On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote:
>> On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it
>>> might have seemed initially.
>> 
>> S Don't tell Mark
> 
> Oh, hmmm, ahem, well. Let me see. My understanding is that Mark is doing 
> somewhat special kind of photography, mostly (daylight) landscape and nature. 
> This is where Sony A850 will shine with its extended dynamic range, great 
> many pixels and excellent color fidelity. I also think that Mark is using top 
> grade glass (Carl Zeiss, etc) and a proper technique (tripod, etc). It is 
> then most likely that he extract the most from his 24x36 gear.
> 
> However for other kinds of photography: street, casual portrait, travel and 
> even for landscape some of the 24x36 advantages are not all that 
> advantageous, so to say. Surely and verily there is an improvement, but its 
> value may have been (deliberately?!) overestimated.

Marketing, marketing...

But it is great that you confirm my impression that the 24x36 format wouldn´t 
be important to me. I like the size of K-5...

DagT


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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[paul stenquist]

Good post. I suspect that the K-5 can outperform the A850 in all but pixel 
count. But that's just a guess based on sensor tests and a wedding photographer 
friend's comments regarding his A850.
Paul
On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> As I wrote earlier, my friends from DC (well, actually it is MD, but I like 
> to think of this as DC) came for a visit and left. Among other things I did 
> back up photos for my friend and I was given an opportunity to keep them for 
> my examination. He has Sony A850 and an assortment of lenses, notably the 
> famous Minolta Beer Can, Tamron 17-35/2.8-4.0 and Tamron 90/2.8 macro.
> 
> I have looked and processed and examined and pixel peeped few dozen images 
> and compared some of them side by side given that we were shooting at the 
> same time on the same location.
> 
> Few ideas crossed my mind:
> 
> 1. Under bright day light Sony wins hands down. The exposure latitude and 
> color fidelity are ahead of those of K-7. The dynamic range difference is 
> evident once you start to play with curves and look into shadow-to-light 
> transitions.
> 
> 2. Under low light both cameras struggle, though my friend does not shoot 
> above ISO 1600, while I shoot at ISO 3200. Given pixel count advantage, I 
> think it might be possible to downsize Sony images to take care of some of 
> the noise.
> 
> So, on the surface it looks like naturally one might want to upgrade to 
> either full frame or another Pentax camera with better sensor.
> 
> On the other hand, I had to look at 1:1 or even 3:1 (300% magnification) and 
> really side by side to see those differences. Of course playing with exposure 
> slider makes different impression immediately, but beside that I really don't 
> think that Pentax is so much behind. Let's say that the difference is 10-15% 
> although I do admit and do realize that these percentage points are 
> meaningless. What I am trying to say is that the difference is relatively 
> small.
> 
> I have some reservations about the aforementioned lenses' performance in some 
> of the situations, but that's a different matter.
> 
> Thankfully, I don't feel like I should or even must update from K-7 to K-5 or 
> to Canon 5DMk2 or whatever. I kind of used to feel that way having seen 
> Paul's comparison shots from his basement.
> 
> I also think that to say that camera A offers revolutionary improvements in 
> IQ dept over camera B (*) would be a serious overstatement or simply a market 
> speak.
> 
> Well, at least I had my chance to vent.
> 
> Boris
> 
> (*) As long as both A and B are of similar general class. It stands to reason 
> that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed initially.
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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote:

On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman  wrote:


It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it
might have seemed initially.


S Don't tell Mark


Oh, hmmm, ahem, well. Let me see. My understanding is that Mark is doing 
somewhat special kind of photography, mostly (daylight) landscape and 
nature. This is where Sony A850 will shine with its extended dynamic 
range, great many pixels and excellent color fidelity. I also think that 
Mark is using top grade glass (Carl Zeiss, etc) and a proper technique 
(tripod, etc). It is then most likely that he extract the most from his 
24x36 gear.


However for other kinds of photography: street, casual portrait, travel 
and even for landscape some of the 24x36 advantages are not all that 
advantageous, so to say. Surely and verily there is an improvement, but 
its value may have been (deliberately?!) overestimated.


Just to make it certain - mine is not the case of a fox and unripened 
grapes...


Boris

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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Miserere]

On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>
> It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it
> might have seemed initially.

S Don't tell Mark


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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/11/2011 6:54 PM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

So, it seems that Boris is fighting for the 'Disabler of the year' award...
;-)


As long as there is a monetary prize behind that award, I am willing to 
give it a try /grin/.



(A bit more) seriously speaking, owning a K20D there are some additional reasons
to upgrade in my case...but I am still not 100% sure that they are enough.


I say - don't upgrade if you don't face a show stopper. Examples of show 
stoppers:


* your camera stops working and repair price is too high
* you have someone with whom you have to share the camera and it is very 
inconvenient
* you /know/ for the fact that certain aspects of a new camera improve 
sufficiently to allow you further development of your skills; together 
with that you examined sufficiently many full size photographs to 
ascertain that indeed the improvements of the new camera are where you 
need them
* you /feel/ that you want a new camera having read lots of on-line 
reviews none of which mentions that the camera was in use for more than 
1 week as a part of reviewing process



Maybe when the K-5 costs 200 EUR less than today I see things
differently...everyone has a price...


I reckon everything (as opposed to everyone) has a price.

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PESO: CANADIAN HAT DOWN SOUTH

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=56

Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms, and Abuse are welcome, as usual

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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Jaume Lahuerta]

- Mensaje original 
> De: Boris Liberman 

(...)

> 
> Thankfully, I don't feel like I should or even must  update from K-7 to K-5 
> or 
>to Canon 5DMk2 or whatever. I kind of used to feel  that way having seen 
>Paul's 
>comparison shots from his basement.
> 
> I also  think that to say that camera A offers revolutionary improvements in 
> IQ 
>dept  over camera B (*) would be a serious overstatement or simply a market  
>speak.
> 
> Well, at least I had my chance to vent.
> 
> Boris
> 
> (*) As  long as both A and B are of similar general class. It stands to 
> reason 
>that  16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed  initially.
> 

So, it seems that Boris is fighting for the 'Disabler of the year' award...
;-)

(A bit more) seriously speaking, owning a K20D there are some additional 
reasons 
to upgrade in my case...but I am still not 100% sure that they are enough.
Maybe when the K-5 costs 200 EUR less than today I see things 
differently...everyone has a price...

Regards,
Jaume


  

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Re: OT Hall of shame

[Ann Sanfedele]

Bruce Walker wrote:

Scott Kelby shares some of his best ungood football shots with very 
funny captions ...

http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2011/archives/15755

"Capturing the moment. Or at least the one right after it."

-bmw


Very funny!  So is this what we call "the indecisive moment" ?
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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/11/2011 5:53 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

2011/1/11 Boris Liberman:

It stands to
reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed
initially.


... To some. :-)


Oh, as usual standard disclaimers do apply.



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Re: OT Hall of shame

[Steven Desjardins]

That was great.  I've always wondered there was a better way to pick
the AF point.  The new MILC from Panasonic has you touch the LCD where
you want the focus point to be.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Scott Kelby shares some of his best ungood football shots with very funny
> captions ...
> http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2011/archives/15755
>
> "Capturing the moment. Or at least the one right after it."
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Re: 645D fiddling

[DagT]

I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one 
thing: The viewfinder was a dream!

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> Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations:
> 
> 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its "A"
> position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera.
> 
> 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs
> of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though.
> 
> 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark)
> than what you find with eg. K-7.
> 
> 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same
> as for 645N/645Nii.
> 
> 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from "single" to "multiple"
> drive mode. :-)
> 
> 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera
> post-processing presets.
> 
> oh, and what should be the zeroth point:
> It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-)
> 
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Re: GESO: birds, bees and bucks...

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On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:44:46 -0500
David J Brooks  wrote:

> Excellent job on Black bucks-female and grey Heron

> > http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Kodiakkarai#

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Re: tres PESOS - 2 cameras

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On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
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> I like the first image, Ann.

Me to.

>
> I failed to open the Canon images for fear my eyes would be infected
> with a virus.

I did but it only affected my left eye, so go ahead and try it Dan.

Dave
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> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>> With the ist D - this evening  at 1600 ISO  converted to BW in Elements.
>> http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153292884_fWCMa/Medium
>>
>> with the Canon powershot Sx120
>>
>>
>> http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153292955_zyFKe/Medium
>>
>> http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153293026_JaaLZ/Medium
>>
>> I like to take the PATH train out to the Pavonia-Newport area to go to the
>> Target for necessary supplies -  and hunt for treasures in the
>> nearby Salvation Army thrift store.
>>
>> It's cheaper for me to take the PATH and go to that area to shop than to
>> travel within the city... and the tax break is helpful too.
>>
>> Had too much to carry from Jersey to carry the D with me.
>>
>> Sorry I'm flooding you with stuff guys, but I'm  really back in shooting
>> mode .
>>
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Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

[AlunFoto]

2011/1/11 Boris Liberman :
> It stands to
> reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed
> initially.

... To some. :-)



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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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> On Jan 10, 2011, at 4:04 AM, Derby Chang wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/01/10/the-pentax-k5-digital-camera-review/
>
> Nice review.  His grammar and spelling are almost like running something Dave 
> wrote through a spell checker, and not >looking to see what words come up as 
> the suggested correction.

I do what i can to help out

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Re: PESO - It Snowed in New Toronto

[David J Brooks]

Excellent angle and good winter feel to it.

Dave

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:34 PM, frank theriault
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> Not much, actually, but for a few minutes on the weekend, it looked
> quite wintry:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/01/it-snowed-in-new-toronto.html
>
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: GESO: birds, bees and bucks...

[David J Brooks]

Excellent job on Black bucks-female and grey Heron

Dave

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Subash  wrote:
> hi,
>
> had gone to a sanctuary called kodiakkarai (point calimere)
> in southern india, over the weekend. apart from a rather unique
> combination of dry evergreen forests (home to lots of endemic birds and
> the black buck) and coastal swampland (winter home to migratory birds),
> the place was once a thriving roman trade port. had a more than a
> 1000-year old lighthouse which was destroyed in the 2005 tsunami.
>
> december/jan being the monsoon season here it was raining overcast most
> of the time, but some photos from the road trip...
>
> (hope you all don't mind the bees being there in the subject line just
> for the sake of alliteration... :)) welcome comments, of course...
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Kodiakkarai#
>
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Re: GESO: birds, bees and bucks...

[Subash]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:28:06 -0500
"Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:

>> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Kodiakkarai#

> Excellent gallery of images!

thanks, Dan...


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Re: GESO: birds, bees and bucks...

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Excellent gallery of images!

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On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Subash  wrote:
> hi,
>
> had gone to a sanctuary called kodiakkarai (point calimere)
> in southern india, over the weekend. apart from a rather unique
> combination of dry evergreen forests (home to lots of endemic birds and
> the black buck) and coastal swampland (winter home to migratory birds),
> the place was once a thriving roman trade port. had a more than a
> 1000-year old lighthouse which was destroyed in the 2005 tsunami.
>
> december/jan being the monsoon season here it was raining overcast most
> of the time, but some photos from the road trip...
>
> (hope you all don't mind the bees being there in the subject line just
> for the sake of alliteration... :)) welcome comments, of course...
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Kodiakkarai#
>
>
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Re: tres PESOS - 2 cameras

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I like the first image, Ann.

I failed to open the Canon images for fear my eyes would be infected
with a virus.

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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> With the ist D - this evening  at 1600 ISO  converted to BW in Elements.
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153292884_fWCMa/Medium
>
> with the Canon powershot Sx120
>
>
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153292955_zyFKe/Medium
>
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1153293026_JaaLZ/Medium
>
> I like to take the PATH train out to the Pavonia-Newport area to go to the
> Target for necessary supplies -  and hunt for treasures in the
> nearby Salvation Army thrift store.
>
> It's cheaper for me to take the PATH and go to that area to shop than to
> travel within the city... and the tax break is helpful too.
>
> Had too much to carry from Jersey to carry the D with me.
>
> Sorry I'm flooding you with stuff guys, but I'm  really back in shooting
> mode .
>
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Re: GESO: birds, bees and bucks...

[Subash]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:37:09 -0500
Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> Yeah, Birds, bucks and Dragon fly doesnt quite scan :-)

:) on second thoughts i could have got away with birds, bucks and
butterflies...

> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Kodiakkarai#slideshow/5560789665725093506
> 
> reminds me of your January PUG entry (duh, of course it does)  and I 
> favor that one. a lot
> with the sharp subject and nice Bokeh.
> 
> Also the pipit, The Pelicans, and  that spoonbill shot... well and 
> others too.  I think
> it would be a stronger set if you lost two  three Peacock shots - I
> like the one where they appear to be "necking", the tawny eagles and
> the second shot of
> the black buck does.  

i liked the 'necking' shot too but thought i should also include a shot
which shows the bird in full. may be it is not necessary. thanks for
the nice words Ann... about the PUG shot too...

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OT Hall of shame

[Bruce Walker]

Scott Kelby shares some of his best ungood football shots with very 
funny captions ...

http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2011/archives/15755

"Capturing the moment. Or at least the one right after it."

-bmw

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Re: PESO: Snow again and W90 thoughts

[Cory Waters]

It's the face of my 2007 328i (I don't think it's ugly).

Boris, having not read the manual, I was a little shocked not to find a 
RAW setting in the on-screen menus.



Cory

On 1/11/2011 9:16 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Goes well with my common cold... I shall not elaborate further, however.

Cory, is it correct that W90 has no RAW mode?

On 1/10/2011 8:11 PM, Cory Waters wrote:

Snow and ice again in northern Georgia:
http://cwaters.smugmug.com/photos/1152605696_dsW9H-L.jpg




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Re: More on Vivian Maier

[Boris Liberman]

Well, curiously enough, "Aloof" (with accent on (somewhat shorter than 
English) "oo") means "champion" in Hebrew...


On 1/7/2011 11:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

In the Times:
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/07/new-street-photography-60-years-old/?hp



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Re: GESO: birds, bees and bucks...

[Ann Sanfedele]

Subash wrote:


hi,

had gone to a sanctuary called kodiakkarai (point calimere)
in southern india, over the weekend. apart from a rather unique
combination of dry evergreen forests (home to lots of endemic birds and
the black buck) and coastal swampland (winter home to migratory birds),
the place was once a thriving roman trade port. had a more than a
1000-year old lighthouse which was destroyed in the 2005 tsunami. 


december/jan being the monsoon season here it was raining overcast most
of the time, but some photos from the road trip...

(hope you all don't mind the bees being there in the subject line just
for the sake of alliteration... :))


Yeah, Birds, bucks and Dragon fly doesnt quite scan :-)

http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Kodiakkarai#slideshow/5560789665725093506

reminds me of your January PUG entry (duh, of course it does)  and I 
favor that one. a lot

with the sharp subject and nice Bokeh.

Also the pipit, The Pelicans, and  that spoonbill shot... well and 
others too.  I think

it would be a stronger set if you lost two  three Peacock shots - I like the
one where they appear to be "necking", the tawny eagles and the second 
shot of
the black buck does.  


ann



welcome comments, of course...

http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Kodiakkarai#


 






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Re: GESO: birds, bees and bucks...

[Subash]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:52:14 -0600
Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> Subash,
> Wow, that's quite a set of animal photos!
> Any one or two of those would be a thrill for me to capture.
> But you have so many there...

> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Kodiakkarai#

glad you liked the set Bob and thanks for the nice words...

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Re: GESO: birds, bees and bucks...

[Subash]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:41:37 -0800 (PST)
Jack Davis  wrote:

> All very well caught and rendered. Wonderful photo location well
> taken advantage of.

> > http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Kodiakkarai#

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Re: GESO: birds, bees and bucks...

[Subash]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:39:21 -0500
Christian Skofteland  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:48:15AM +0530, Subash wrote:
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Kodiakkarai#

> The bee eater and roller are beautiful birds.  The spoonbill shot is
> really nice.  I also like the crow. Very scrawny looking compared to
> American crows. :-)

their urban cousins are much better looking but it's a tough life out
there in the jungle... :) thanks for looking Christian, appreciate it...


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Re: PESO - It Snowed in New Toronto

[Ann Sanfedele]

frank theriault wrote:


Not much, actually, but for a few minutes on the weekend, it looked
quite wintry:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/01/it-snowed-in-new-toronto.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Yup - it did -- LIke it a lot , Frank

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Re: PESO - It Snowed in New Toronto

[Boris Liberman]

Totally printable, A3 size.

On 1/11/2011 6:34 AM, frank theriault wrote:

Not much, actually, but for a few minutes on the weekend, it looked
quite wintry:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/01/it-snowed-in-new-toronto.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
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Re: Peso: first BW with the ist D

[Ann Sanfedele]

Bob W wrote:


I can't tell if anything is sharp until I get it up in photoshop .

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Re: Steve Huff likes the K5

[Steven Desjardins]

Of course, this is affected by where we live.  In a rural area, I tend
to favor longer lenses. I can see where wider lenses make sense in an
urban environment, but all I would be doing is taking the same shot of
the same hill.  The daily variations in my environment occur on a
scale that I really need a longer lens to pick them up.  I think this
is why the FA135 has become my favorite or why that F35-135 was so
appealing.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Just didn't fit my style.  Oddly, I like the 50.
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> DA40 has the FOV that of a 60 mm lens on APS-C camera. It is awfully close
>> to 58 mm which, I think, was kind of a standard lens some decades ago. 50,
>> 55, 58 mm - all are quite normal.
>>
>> Boris
>>
>>
>> On 1/11/2011 3:14 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>>
>>> Sadly, Boris, I had the same thought.  I found the DA40 to be the
>>> wrong FL for nearly all situations.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

 Mark, only imagine, K-5 with FA 31 in lovely black... And the creamy
 tonal
 gradations along with biting sharpness and true to real life color
 fidelity
 of the images from this combo... /broad evil grin/.


 On 1/11/2011 2:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> the K-5 with the FA43 looks to be a lovely package.
>
> Stop saying things like that...
>
>


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Re: PESO: Snow again and W90 thoughts

[Boris Liberman]

Goes well with my common cold... I shall not elaborate further, however.

Cory, is it correct that W90 has no RAW mode?

On 1/10/2011 8:11 PM, Cory Waters wrote:

Snow and ice again in northern Georgia:
http://cwaters.smugmug.com/photos/1152605696_dsW9H-L.jpg


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Re: PESO - Stylin' and Not

[Boris Liberman]

Unfortunately his hands are not in the frame. I mean that OOF fellow. It 
would be fun if he held some pocket device or a tablet and was sweeping 
and swooshing with his fingers rapidly...


Paul, is there some place where you display your coffee shop series as a 
single body of work? If not, you might want to create one.


On 1/8/2011 4:04 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Nice composition. The fellow in the back ground is OOF just right,.

Dave

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:56 AM, paul stenquist  wrote:

A coffee shop portrait

K-5, DA* 60-135, f11, ISO 3200

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12217970&size=lg

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