RE: OT: A must-have for all urban cyclists

[Bob W]

> There are those who suddenly jump onto the roadway to run a few steps
> to get ahead of other pedestrians impeding their progress.
> Unfortunately they take those few steps right where cyclists tend to
> be.

I've noticed more and more joggers here in London have taken to using the
cycle & bus lanes so that they don't have to negotiate pedestrians on busy
paths, and they play chicken with cyclists, often forcing them out of the
lane into other traffic.

Speaking as a pedestrian, jogger, cyclist, public transport user and
occasional driver, it really pisses me off. If the pavements are too
crowded, FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO JOG!! 

B

> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> knarftheria...@gmail.com
> Sent: 24 March 2012 02:25
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> Subject: RE: OT: A must-have for all urban cyclists
> 
> Excellent!
> 
> I must get one of those. Monarch colours, please, as they're my
> favourite butterfly.
> 
> He's right about pedestrians.
> 
> Now before we start a flame war here where people tell us all the bad
> things cyclists have done to them and their extended families over the
> past 50 years, I acknowledge that there are lots of bad cyclists out
> there just as there are lots of bad drivers.
> 
> And no, the vast majority of pedestrians are just fine. But there are a
> minority who are just a pain in the ass. There are those who are too
> busy checking their smartphones to look before they cross.
> 
> There are those who suddenly jump onto the roadway to run a few steps
> to get ahead of other pedestrians impeding their progress.
> Unfortunately they take those few steps right where cyclists tend to
> be.
> 
> There are the "two steps and look" types who only check for vehicles
> when they're half-way into the street.
> 
> But worst of all are "the entitled". They cross the street and just
> assume that traffic will stop for them. Sure, they look initially to
> make sure they aren't in imminent danger, but once they start to cross
> (illegally as they're jay walking) they go slowly, never varying their
> pace, making cars and cyclists slow down, swerve around them or
> sometimes even come to a complete stop as they amble along their way.
> They basically dare vehicles to hit them.
> 
> These are also tend (in my observation) to be the mouthiest when one
> points out their rude behaviour.
> 
> So I've stopped yelling at them to get out of my way. I just ride by
> close enough that they know they've inconvenienced me but not close
> enough to put them in any jeopardy (or vice-versa).
> 
> Now if I had auto-unfurling butterfly wings I could really get a point
> across!
> 
> ;-)
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." --
> Christopher Hitchens
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> From: Bob W 
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RE: 53min. video interview with HCB

[Bob W]

> 
> > Not sure how many follow petapixel, but for those interested...
> > http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/22/an-interview-with-henri-cartier-
> bresson-the-father-of-photojournalism/
> 
> I'm waiting to hear BobW's critique. ]'-)

> Godfrey

I haven't had time to watch it yet. I was distracted by this related story:


I couldn't resist going there myself a couple of years ago:




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RE: 53min. video interview with HCB

[Bob W]

> 
> >
> > > Not sure how many follow petapixel, but for those interested...
> > > http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/22/an-interview-with-henri-
> cartier-
> > bresson-the-father-of-photojournalism/
> >
> > I'm waiting to hear BobW's critique. ]'-)
> 
> > Godfrey
> 

I've just watched the first half hour of it and I'll watch the rest later,
simply because it's interested to see and hear HCB himself. 

But that interviewer is dreadful. He talks to HCB in the patronising way a
child talks to a gaga grandparent, almost always finishing with closed
questions. There's no sense of an open conversation taking place between 2
intelligent people who share an interest, and the interviewer just seems to
want Cartier-Bresson to rehash stuff that he's said a million times before.

Cartier-Bresson's Frenchness and disdain for the conventions of TV seem to
be completely beyond the experience or understanding of the interviewer. And
he keeps trying to corner him into talking about his status, as if anyone
from a background like HCB's is going to sit there and say 'Yes, I'm the
greatest photographer of the age and an artist on a par with Matisse and
Picasso'. 

Fur fecks' sake, what a wasted opportunity.

B

> I haven't had time to watch it yet. I was distracted by this related
> story:
>  lazare-in-
> google-street-view/>
> 
> I couldn't resist going there myself a couple of years ago:
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: New lens for all you 645D owners

[AlunFoto]

Hm...
I see that dpReview has timed the announcement to general
availability. Wonder what the problem with that lens has been. Will
query my pusher over the week-end. Ten months' delay between first and
second deliveries is quite substantial...

I wrote:
> Well that was about time for dpReview. They're about one year amiss on
> the launch date. :-)
>
> Had my paws on one over here in June last year. Lovely beast, but
> heavy and big. Just like its price tag... :-(
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NiMH batteries on the K-5

[SV Hovland]

Hi.

I am lucky enough to have both K-7, K-5 and one battery grip. I have noticed 
that when K-5 says the battery (six NiMH AA batteries) is empty and won't even 
power on, my K-7 can still use these batteries for a long time before needing 
charging.

After a fresh re-charge, I am probably able to get 50 images out of them on my 
K-5. I have tried old Eneloops, new Eneloops and new Vartas and it's the same.

What is your experience with NiMH batteries on K-5? Should it really be a lot 
worse than K-7?

Stig Vidar Hovland

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Re: Hello & Nothing great

[Daniel J. Matyola]

You have some fine images, there, Christine.  I especially like the
first two;  they are very "painterly" as we say around here.  They
also really capture the mood of the place and time.
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On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Christine Aguila
 wrote:
> Hi Everyone:  Wow!  I just blazed through an insanely busy patch at work; I'm 
> whipped and blurry-eyed.  But I made it through.  I put together this little 
> gallery just to remind myself that I'm a member of a very nice photo group 
> and that I need to start taking pictures again.  No need to comment--just a 
> little exercise for the photographer within.
>
> Hope is well by everyone!  Christine in Boston--very sorry to hear about your 
> K-5.  Bummer.  I feel your pain.  Hope it works out ok and the camera is not 
> gone too long. Big cheers, Christine/Chicago
>
> http://www.caguila.com/miscell
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RE: Hello & Nothing great

[Bob W]

The second is worth at least a million dollars, in a suitably limited edition. 
Change your name to Christine Lik and get out there and sell, sell, sell!

B

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> Sent: 24 March 2012 11:23
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> Subject: Re: Hello & Nothing great
> 
> You have some fine images, there, Christine.  I especially like the
> first two;  they are very "painterly" as we say around here.  They also
> really capture the mood of the place and time.
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Christine Aguila
>  wrote:
> > Hi Everyone:  Wow!  I just blazed through an insanely busy patch at
> work; I'm whipped and blurry-eyed.  But I made it through.  I put
> together this little gallery just to remind myself that I'm a member of
> a very nice photo group and that I need to start taking pictures again.
>  No need to comment--just a little exercise for the photographer
> within.
> >
> > Hope is well by everyone!  Christine in Boston--very sorry to hear
> > about your K-5.  Bummer.  I feel your pain.  Hope it works out ok and
> > the camera is not gone too long. Big cheers, Christine/Chicago
> >
> > http://www.caguila.com/miscell
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Re: NiMH batteries on the K-5

[Paul Stenquist]

I tried using NIMH with the battery grip on both the K-5 and K-7, but found it 
pointless. The lithium ions are far superior and provide far more exposures.

Paul
On Mar 24, 2012, at 7:07 AM, SV Hovland wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I am lucky enough to have both K-7, K-5 and one battery grip. I have noticed 
> that when K-5 says the battery (six NiMH AA batteries) is empty and won't 
> even power on, my K-7 can still use these batteries for a long time before 
> needing charging.
> 
> After a fresh re-charge, I am probably able to get 50 images out of them on 
> my K-5. I have tried old Eneloops, new Eneloops and new Vartas and it's the 
> same.
> 
> What is your experience with NiMH batteries on K-5? Should it really be a lot 
> worse than K-7?
> 
> Stig Vidar Hovland
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Re: Hello & Nothing great

[Stan Halpin]

Good to hear from you!
A nice set of images, particularly the first one.

stan

On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:26 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> Hi Everyone:  Wow!  I just blazed through an insanely busy patch at work; I'm 
> whipped and blurry-eyed.  But I made it through.  I put together this little 
> gallery just to remind myself that I'm a member of a very nice photo group 
> and that I need to start taking pictures again.  No need to comment--just a 
> little exercise for the photographer within.  
> 
> Hope is well by everyone!  Christine in Boston--very sorry to hear about your 
> K-5.  Bummer.  I feel your pain.  Hope it works out ok and the camera is not 
> gone too long. Big cheers, Christine/Chicago
> 
> http://www.caguila.com/miscell
> 

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Re: Glumness Reigns: My Tamron is Cactus

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Darren Addy :


It is described often as "CCD flare". I'm guessing that between the
little microlenses over the pixels on the sensor and the flat spot on
the back of the sensor you get a little light that bounces off the
sensor, and back off the flat lens element to effectively overexpose
that little circle.
So the effect may be more noticeable on some sensors rather than
others, meaning that you might see it on some cameras and not others.
It was never a problem (that I have seen reported) on film cameras.

The good news is that there is probably nothing newly wrong with your lens.



I suppose that's good news.

Checking out the link you mentioned in an earlier post, I think you're  
right.  It does seem to be a known problem with this lens on some (but  
maybe not all?) digital SLRs.


The interesting thing is that I've used this lens almost exclusively  
on my *istDS and looking back closely at those images, there's no  
obvious indication of the 'hot spot'.  The latest case that prompted  
my post was using the lens on a K200D and I can't positively identify  
any previous images taken with that lens/camera combination.


I'll fire up the DS tomorrow and see whether I can reproduce the  
problem with that camera.


Another suggestion that was made was to use the lens with Tamron's  
dedicated 2X adapter, which has a curved rear element.  It might be  
clutching at straws but I have one of those, so I'll give that a try  
as well.




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Re: Ned Bunnell blogs the K-01

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>>
>> He lost me at the assertion "one of those cameras that turns any user-
>> even the most basic user-into a professional photographer".
>>
>> Bullshit! Equipment don't make you a photographer.
>>
>
> Really? Try being a photographer with no equipment...

I think they are called painters.:-)
>
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Re: PESO: Spring Snow

[David J Brooks]

Love it.
Dave

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I'm oddly compelled to record spring, even if it means producing photos that 
> are largely repetitive of past efforts. it's as though the season is just too 
> precious to let it slip away without a record.
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Re: PESO: Oregon City Bridge

[David J Brooks]

Nice rural scene.

Dave

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Beautiful weather and fresh green Sierra foothills too much for my wife and I 
> to resist.
> This post to share.
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Re: Hello & Nothing great

[Rick Womer]

That first shot being "nothing great" is open to debate...

Good to see you posting again!  Had a patch at work like that last month, and 
another is coming up in late April.

Rick
 
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Subject: Hello & Nothing great

Hi Everyone:  Wow!  I just blazed through an insanely busy patch at work; I'm 
whipped and blurry-eyed.  But I made it through.  I put together this little 
gallery just to remind myself that I'm a member of a very nice photo group and 
that I need to start taking pictures again.  No need to comment--just a little 
exercise for the photographer within.  

Hope is well by everyone!  Christine in Boston--very sorry to hear about your 
K-5.  Bummer.  I feel your pain.  Hope it works out ok and the camera is not 
gone too long. Big cheers, Christine/Chicago

http://www.caguila.com/miscell


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Re: PESO: Oregon City Bridge

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Dave.
 
Jack


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Nice rural scene.

Dave

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> Beautiful weather and fresh green Sierra foothills too much for my wife and I 
> to resist.
> This post to share.
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PESO - Central Market

[Rick Womer]

The facade of Lancaster's market in the morning sun.  Within, scores of local 
farmers (many Amish) selling their produce.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15378576&size=lg


(K-7, FA 24-90)

Comments appreciated.

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GESO: Daffodil Varieties

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Well, everyone seems to be posting images of spring daffodils, so why
not?  I have planted a number of different varieties in our garden,
and although not all bloom at the same time, several are out now:

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1028984

Comments are wecome and appreciated.

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Peso's First daffy's

[David J Brooks]

Seems to be daffy season, duck season, oh here we go again.:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15410653
>From sunny Thursday

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15410655
>From raining Friday.

K-5, D FA 50 f2.8

Dave

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Re: PESO - Central Market

[Jack Davis]

Nice perspective of an imposing structure.

Jack


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Subject: PESO - Central Market

The facade of Lancaster's market in the morning sun.  Within, scores of local 
farmers (many Amish) selling their produce.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15378576&size=lg


(K-7, FA 24-90)

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Re: GESO: Daffodil Varieties

[Jack Davis]

15 & 24 are especially nice. All well done.

Jack


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Subject: GESO: Daffodil Varieties

Well, everyone seems to be posting images of spring daffodils, so why
not?  I have planted a number of different varieties in our garden,
and although not all bloom at the same time, several are out now:

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1028984

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Re: Peso's First daffy's

[Jack Davis]

Sort of prefer "raining Friday." Both nice.

Jack


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Subject: Peso's First daffy's

Seems to be daffy season, duck season, oh here we go again.:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15410653
>From sunny Thursday

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15410655
>From raining Friday.

K-5, D FA 50 f2.8

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Re: NiMH batteries on the K-5

[Bob Sullivan]

I switched the battery grip to use the standard camera battery.
Six AA's just don't seem to do the job, while the body battery lasts forever.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> I tried using NIMH with the battery grip on both the K-5 and K-7, but found 
> it pointless. The lithium ions are far superior and provide far more 
> exposures.
>
> Paul
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 7:07 AM, SV Hovland wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I am lucky enough to have both K-7, K-5 and one battery grip. I have noticed 
>> that when K-5 says the battery (six NiMH AA batteries) is empty and won't 
>> even power on, my K-7 can still use these batteries for a long time before 
>> needing charging.
>>
>> After a fresh re-charge, I am probably able to get 50 images out of them on 
>> my K-5. I have tried old Eneloops, new Eneloops and new Vartas and it's the 
>> same.
>>
>> What is your experience with NiMH batteries on K-5? Should it really be a 
>> lot worse than K-7?
>>
>> Stig Vidar Hovland
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Re: Peso's First daffy's

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Sort of prefer "raining Friday." Both nice.

Me to. I need to find some sort of back drop to hide that crappy concrete wall.

Dave
>
> Jack
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David J Brooks 
> To: Pentax Discuss ; Barbara Brooks 
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:23 AM
> Subject: Peso's First daffy's
>
> Seems to be daffy season, duck season, oh here we go again.:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15410653
> From sunny Thursday
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15410655
> From raining Friday.
>
> K-5, D FA 50 f2.8
>
> Dave
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Re: PESO - Central Market

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Nice perspective of an imposing structure.

What he said

Dave
>
> Jack
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Rick Womer 
> To: Pentax List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:00 AM
> Subject: PESO - Central Market
>
> The facade of Lancaster's market in the morning sun.  Within, scores of local 
> farmers (many Amish) selling their produce.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15378576&size=lg
>
>
> (K-7, FA 24-90)
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
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Re: Hello & Nothing great

[Bob Sullivan]

Christine,
Love the colors and the first two are really good!
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Hi Everyone:  Wow!  I just blazed through an insanely busy patch at work; I'm 
> whipped and blurry-eyed.  But I made it through.  I put together this little 
> gallery just to remind myself that I'm a member of a very nice photo group 
> and that I need to start taking pictures again.  No need to comment--just a 
> little exercise for the photographer within.
>
> Hope is well by everyone!  Christine in Boston--very sorry to hear about your 
> K-5.  Bummer.  I feel your pain.  Hope it works out ok and the camera is not 
> gone too long. Big cheers, Christine/Chicago
>
> http://www.caguila.com/miscell
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Re: Peso's First daffy's

[Paul Stenquist]

Daffy 2 is excellent. Well done. 
Not sure about the limited DOF in the other, but I like the opposition.
Paul
On Mar 24, 2012, at 9:50 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Sort of prefer "raining Friday." Both nice.
> 
> Me to. I need to find some sort of back drop to hide that crappy concrete 
> wall.
> 
> Dave
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: David J Brooks 
>> To: Pentax Discuss ; Barbara Brooks 
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:23 AM
>> Subject: Peso's First daffy's
>> 
>> Seems to be daffy season, duck season, oh here we go again.:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15410653
>> From sunny Thursday
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15410655
>> From raining Friday.
>> 
>> K-5, D FA 50 f2.8
>> 
>> Dave
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Re: Hello & Nothing great

[Christine Nielsen]

Hi Christine!

Glad to hear that you made through a long, busy Chicago winter.  I
enjoyed your gallery!

Thanks for the well-wishes for my camera, I'm hoping her trip is quick
& painless.  I'm thinking a new lens might help me through the
ordeal...

:)
-c
(from Boston)

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 wrote:
> Hi Everyone:  Wow!  I just blazed through an insanely busy patch at work; I'm 
> whipped and blurry-eyed.  But I made it through.  I put together this little 
> gallery just to remind myself that I'm a member of a very nice photo group 
> and that I need to start taking pictures again.  No need to comment--just a 
> little exercise for the photographer within.
>
> Hope is well by everyone!  Christine in Boston--very sorry to hear about your 
> K-5.  Bummer.  I feel your pain.  Hope it works out ok and the camera is not 
> gone too long. Big cheers, Christine/Chicago
>
> http://www.caguila.com/miscell
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Re: Ned Bunnell blogs the K-01

[William Robb]

On 23/03/2012 5:23 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Are you folks forgetting that Ned is Pentax's marketing guy here? It's his job 
to push product
and take advantage of good reviews. It would be unethical if he took 
Pentax's money and failed
to do his job. Give the guy a break, but attach no more than a grain of 
salt to anything he says.

It's essentially advertising,



Sort of like the time he took advantage of his blog to wax eloquent 
about the latest Leica or some such.


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OT PESO - Monica

[David Savage]

G'day All,

Had a little studio shoot today:



Direct link:



D800, AF-S 70-200mm f2.8 @ 95mm, f8 @ 1/125, ISO 200, Out of camera jpeg.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

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OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying 
a print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for 
good resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to 
charge and all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always 
just had small prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, 
and the resulting print is about as predictable as you might expect.


Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

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Re: OT PESO - Monica

[Paul Stenquist]

I like the  intense, over-the top approach here. High drama. I would probably 
have filled the shadows at least half a stop more, but I'm a sissy:-).
Paul

On Mar 24, 2012, at 10:32 AM, David Savage wrote:

> G'day All,
> 
> Had a little studio shoot today:
> 
> 
> 
> Direct link:
> 
> 
> 
> D800, AF-S 70-200mm f2.8 @ 95mm, f8 @ 1/125, ISO 200, Out of camera jpeg.
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: Hello & Nothing great

[Paul Stenquist]

Good to see you posting, Christine. I like number one quite a lot. 
Paul
On Mar 24, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

> Hi Christine!
> 
> Glad to hear that you made through a long, busy Chicago winter.  I
> enjoyed your gallery!
> 
> Thanks for the well-wishes for my camera, I'm hoping her trip is quick
> & painless.  I'm thinking a new lens might help me through the
> ordeal...
> 
> :)
> -c
> (from Boston)
> 
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Christine Aguila
>  wrote:
>> Hi Everyone:  Wow!  I just blazed through an insanely busy patch at work; 
>> I'm whipped and blurry-eyed.  But I made it through.  I put together this 
>> little gallery just to remind myself that I'm a member of a very nice photo 
>> group and that I need to start taking pictures again.  No need to 
>> comment--just a little exercise for the photographer within.
>> 
>> Hope is well by everyone!  Christine in Boston--very sorry to hear about 
>> your K-5.  Bummer.  I feel your pain.  Hope it works out ok and the camera 
>> is not gone too long. Big cheers, Christine/Chicago
>> 
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Re: OT PESO - Monica

[Jack Davis]

Hi, Dave,
I don't care for the pose "Flame" chose for her lower body. Stiff and 
unattractive..IMO of course.
Suggest you cut her off to just below the belt. Next, thoroughly saturate all 
colors.'til the hair becomes flames. It will give her skin tone a light red 
cast, but may not push the dress beyond reason.
I doubt you're going for a natural look anyway. (?)

Jack


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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:32 AM
Subject: OT PESO - Monica

G'day All,

Had a little studio shoot today:



Direct link:



D800, AF-S 70-200mm f2.8 @ 95mm, f8 @ 1/125, ISO 200, Out of camera jpeg.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

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Re: OT PESO - Monica

[David Savage]

You've obviously never tried to shoot a model doing this.

Every time I've tried doing this in the past it was a case of. arms
right: hair & face wrong, Hair right: arms & face wrong. I'm stoked
she managed to get the hair & face right.

On 24 March 2012 23:09, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Hi, Dave,
> I don't care for the pose "Flame" chose for her lower body. Stiff and 
> unattractive..IMO of course.
> Suggest you cut her off to just below the belt. Next, thoroughly saturate all 
> colors.'til the hair becomes flames. It will give her skin tone a light red 
> cast, but may not push the dress beyond reason.
> I doubt you're going for a natural look anyway. (?)
>
> Jack
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Savage 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:32 AM
> Subject: OT PESO - Monica
>
> G'day All,
>
> Had a little studio shoot today:
>
> 
>
> Direct link:
>
> 
>
> D800, AF-S 70-200mm f2.8 @ 95mm, f8 @ 1/125, ISO 200, Out of camera jpeg.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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Re: OT PESO - Monica

[David Savage]

As said this was the out of camera .jpg & I couldn't massage the file
much before it fell apart.

I've since managed to process the RAW file & the shadows look heaps better.

DS

On 24 March 2012 23:06, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I like the  intense, over-the top approach here. High drama. I would probably 
> have filled the shadows at least half a stop more, but I'm a sissy:-).
> Paul
>
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 10:32 AM, David Savage wrote:
>
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Had a little studio shoot today:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Direct link:
>>
>> 
>>
>> D800, AF-S 70-200mm f2.8 @ 95mm, f8 @ 1/125, ISO 200, Out of camera jpeg.
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Jack Davis]

Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've found the 
price for having these larger prints done (from CD's) significantly 
less expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox $35 these days. Had 
been about twice that, back in the film days, when that often included a 
scanning charge.


Jack


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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying a 
print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for good 
resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to charge and 
all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always just had small 
prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and the resulting print 
is about as predictable as you might expect.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

-- Walt

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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 at 
first. My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on 
appropriate paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of services from 
"Here's your picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and then you 
can have a glossy picture". I'm mostly looking to simply get prints that 
are suitable for framing for the time being, and then stepping up to 
gallery-type prints if/when I start producing work that justifies it and 
there's any kind of demand for it.


As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping than I'd 
like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover that the 
resolution is sub-par.


-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've found the 
price for having these larger prints done (from CD's) significantly less 
expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox $35 these days. Had been 
about twice that, back in the film days, when that often included a scanning 
charge.


Jack


- Original Message -
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: OT: Advice&  recommendations on selling prints

Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying a 
print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for good 
resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to charge and 
all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always just had small 
prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and the resulting print 
is about as predictable as you might expect.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

-- Walt

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Re: OT PESO - Monica

[Paul Stenquist]

I didn't read to the end of your message. My bad. Great for an out of the 
camera jpeg IMO. Show us your finished version when you get a chance. I think 
the concept and pose are excellent. It's the kind of attention getting shot you 
see in fashion mag ads.

Paul


On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:23 AM, David Savage wrote:

> As said this was the out of camera .jpg & I couldn't massage the file
> much before it fell apart.
> 
> I've since managed to process the RAW file & the shadows look heaps better.
> 
> DS
> 
> On 24 March 2012 23:06, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> I like the  intense, over-the top approach here. High drama. I would 
>> probably have filled the shadows at least half a stop more, but I'm a 
>> sissy:-).
>> Paul
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 10:32 AM, David Savage wrote:
>> 
>>> G'day All,
>>> 
>>> Had a little studio shoot today:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Direct link:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> D800, AF-S 70-200mm f2.8 @ 95mm, f8 @ 1/125, ISO 200, Out of camera jpeg.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Dave
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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Paul Stenquist]

Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an essential part 
of the photographic process and digital tools give you complete control. When 
you leave the printing to someone else, they are free to alter your vision. You 
can now get the superb Epson Stylus Photo R3000 for $599 at B&H, after 
rebate.They still have the earlier R2880, which is nearly as good, lacking only 
the auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or glossy. Its $449.95 after 
rebate. I paid nearly double for mine a couple of years ago. The R2000, which 
performs best on glossy papers is $389 after rebate. All can print up to 13 x 
19 borderless or 12 x 18 with a border. And they deliver superb prints.

P)aul
On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

> I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 at first. 
> My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on appropriate paper. 
> Wally World seems to offer a range of services from "Here's your picture" to 
> "Give us a couple of extra days and then you can have a glossy picture". I'm 
> mostly looking to simply get prints that are suitable for framing for the 
> time being, and then stepping up to gallery-type prints if/when I start 
> producing work that justifies it and there's any kind of demand for it.
> 
> As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping than I'd 
> like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover that the 
> resolution is sub-par.
> 
> -- Walt
> 
> On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've found 
>> the price for having these larger prints done (from CD's) significantly less 
>> expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox $35 these days. Had been 
>> about twice that, back in the film days, when that often included a scanning 
>> charge.
>> 
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Walt Gilbert
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
>> Subject: OT: Advice&  recommendations on selling prints
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying a 
>> print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for good 
>> resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to charge and 
>> all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always just had small 
>> prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and the resulting 
>> print is about as predictable as you might expect.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help anyone can offer!
>> 
>> -- Walt
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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm 
in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I 
sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth 
for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least 
affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it 
affordably.


But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those 
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw 
my way within reach.


-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:55 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an essential part of 
the photographic process and digital tools give you complete control. When you 
leave the printing to someone else, they are free to alter your vision. You can now 
get the superb Epson Stylus Photo R3000 for $599 at B&H, after rebate.They 
still have the earlier R2880, which is nearly as good, lacking only the 
auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or glossy. Its $449.95 after rebate. I 
paid nearly double for mine a couple of years ago. The R2000, which performs best 
on glossy papers is $389 after rebate. All can print up to 13 x 19 borderless or 12 
x 18 with a border. And they deliver superb prints.

P)aul
On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 at first. My main concern is 
that the prints look nice and are on appropriate paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of 
services from "Here's your picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and then you 
can have a glossy picture". I'm mostly looking to simply get prints that are suitable for 
framing for the time being, and then stepping up to gallery-type prints if/when I start producing 
work that justifies it and there's any kind of demand for it.

As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping than I'd like, 
and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover that the resolution is 
sub-par.

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've found the 
price for having these larger prints done (from CD's) significantly less 
expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox $35 these days. Had been 
about twice that, back in the film days, when that often included a scanning 
charge.


Jack


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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: OT: Advice&   recommendations on selling prints

Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying a 
print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for good 
resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to charge and 
all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always just had small 
prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and the resulting print 
is about as predictable as you might expect.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

-- Walt

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RE: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[JC O'Connell]

if you just want to do 8.5x11" prints you can buy
a really decent photo printer for only $100 or so. Paper
and ink will be an ongoing expense however.

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-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walt
Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm 
in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I 
sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth 
for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least 
affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it 
affordably.

But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those 
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw 
my way within reach.

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:55 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an essential
part of the photographic process and digital tools give you complete
control. When you leave the printing to someone else, they are free to alter
your vision. You can now get the superb Epson Stylus Photo R3000 for $599 at
B&H, after rebate.They still have the earlier R2880, which is nearly as
good, lacking only the auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or
glossy. Its $449.95 after rebate. I paid nearly double for mine a couple of
years ago. The R2000, which performs best on glossy papers is $389 after
rebate. All can print up to 13 x 19 borderless or 12 x 18 with a border. And
they deliver superb prints.
>
> P)aul
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:
>
>> I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 at
first. My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on appropriate
paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of services from "Here's your
picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and then you can have a glossy
picture". I'm mostly looking to simply get prints that are suitable for
framing for the time being, and then stepping up to gallery-type prints
if/when I start producing work that justifies it and there's any kind of
demand for it.
>>
>> As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping than I'd
like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover that the
resolution is sub-par.
>>
>> -- Walt
>>
>> On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>> Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've
found the price for having these larger prints done (from CD's)
significantly less expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox $35
these days. Had been about twice that, back in the film days, when that
often included a scanning charge.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Walt Gilbert
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
>>> Subject: OT: Advice&   recommendations on selling prints
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying
a print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for
good resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to
charge and all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always
just had small prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and
the resulting print is about as predictable as you might expect.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help anyone can offer!
>>>
>>> -- Walt
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Flower Wars

[Don Guthrie]

Here's my entry in the Spring flower wars. Taken yesterday with  the
k-5 & minimal post.
Enjoy! C&C always read and never ignored.


http://donspix.posterous.com/the-colors-of-spring-can-demolish-the-memorie#!/slideshow

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Re: PESO - Grey Willow Catkins

[AlunFoto]

Thanks for viewing and commenting, all of you. What Bob says is pretty
much what I concentrated on. Glad to hear it comes across.

Jostein

Bruce Walker wrote:
> A gorgeous image! I really like that.

Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Lovely photo.  The backlighting on the fuzzy bud shows off
> the detail excellently.
> The secondary branch in the back, but centered on the flare
> circle is smart. This picture shows a great deal of care and
> refinement contributing to a calm feeling.

Cotty wrote:
> Great job as always.

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> I really like the light around the edges of the catkins

Frank Theriault wrote:
> Lovely photo. Just lovely.

Dave J. Brooks wrote:
> Just lovely

Mark C wote:
> Nice shot. Simplicity works.

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Re: PESO - Coot dive

[AlunFoto]

Thanks for looking and commenting.
I was unaware of the other meaning of the word "coot", so thanks Bruce... :-)

What Dan describes is exactly what drew me to this image. Glad you
guys saw that too. As to luck in exercise; I believe some luck drips
on anyone that cares to do exercise. Wildlife photography these days
is pretty much about rattling off a lot of frames around any moment
that looks potentially significant. You always have to review your
captures anyhow. To recognise an unsuspected keeper is half a victory.
Or half a failure, according to the mood of the day.

Jostein

Bruce Walker wrote:
> I was expecting to see a crazy old man in a thong,
> I was pleasantly surprised to view a fine aquatic bird.

> Sorry about the poor timing, Jostein. Hope you catch
> one at the right point eventually. :-)

Frank Theriault wrote:
> ~Very~ cool pic!

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Rehearsal or not, that is a stunning image!

> I love the way we can see the head, including the beak
> and the eye, under the water.  That makes it quite special,
> to me at least.  Also, the patterns of the disturbed water
> around its feet is a fascinating detail.

Miserere wrote:
> I must admit, that's a pretty good photo for a "miss".
> If only I were so lucky...

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Re: PESO - Caterpillar

[AlunFoto]

Thanks for viewing and commenting, all of you.
As said in the blog, this critter surprised us by parading our kitchen
table at breakfast. I transferred it to the twig and brought it into
the living room where I set up a black bag as background, and used the
sunlight through the window to light the scene. It was a very
educating experience to work under these almost-controlled conditions.
Because of the black background I eventually ended up doing shots at
-3 stops compensation to avoid highlight burnouts. I also learned how
fast a caterpillar can move, and highly recommend using high ISO for
this sort of photography. I used ISO 1600, and even at 1/500s I only
got a few shots without motion blur.

Jostein

Rick Womer wrote:
> Superb!  Lighting, composition, detail, the cooperative
> pose of the caterpillar--it all works wonderfully.

David J Brooks wrote:
> Excellent

Frank Theriault wrote:
> That's an amazing photo. The light is quite sublime.

Larry Colen wrote:
> What? you aren't content for us just to hate you for
> your landscape photos?

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> I really like the way the light seems to make the
> caterpillar glow.

Walt Gilbert wrote:
> Well, now. That's pretty damned nice!

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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

I have an HP Deskjet 3000, but haven't ever tried using it to print 
images on the assumption that it's just not up to the task. In fact, I 
haven't even bothered to buy any decent  paper stock for it.


I suppose I could give it a whirl and see if it's "close enough for 
government work" until I can get something better. I just hate to send 
out an inferior print if I can offer the purchaser a better value -- 
even if it causes me some extra expense.


Do you suppose it would be worth the trouble to bother getting decent 
paper for it?


-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 11:11 AM, JC O'Connell wrote:

if you just want to do 8.5x11" prints you can buy
a really decent photo printer for only $100 or so. Paper
and ink will be an ongoing expense however.

-
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hifis...@gate.net
-

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walt
Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT: Advice&  recommendations on selling prints

In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm
in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I
sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth
for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least
affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it
affordably.

But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw
my way within reach.

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:55 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an essential

part of the photographic process and digital tools give you complete
control. When you leave the printing to someone else, they are free to alter
your vision. You can now get the superb Epson Stylus Photo R3000 for $599 at
B&H, after rebate.They still have the earlier R2880, which is nearly as
good, lacking only the auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or
glossy. Its $449.95 after rebate. I paid nearly double for mine a couple of
years ago. The R2000, which performs best on glossy papers is $389 after
rebate. All can print up to 13 x 19 borderless or 12 x 18 with a border. And
they deliver superb prints.

P)aul
On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 at

first. My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on appropriate
paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of services from "Here's your
picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and then you can have a glossy
picture". I'm mostly looking to simply get prints that are suitable for
framing for the time being, and then stepping up to gallery-type prints
if/when I start producing work that justifies it and there's any kind of
demand for it.

As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping than I'd

like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover that the
resolution is sub-par.

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've

found the price for having these larger prints done (from CD's)
significantly less expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox $35
these days. Had been about twice that, back in the film days, when that
often included a scanning charge.


Jack


- Original Message -
From: Walt Gilbert
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: OT: Advice&recommendations on selling prints

Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying

a print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for
good resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to
charge and all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always
just had small prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and
the resulting print is about as predictable as you might expect.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

-- Walt

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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Rick Womer]

Walt,

Can't help you at all on selling them.

Getting them made:  I've been very happy with www.theslideprinter.com--they 
consistently deliver prints that =exactly= match what I saw on my monitor.

I'm thinking about getting a new printer, but haven't had time to do the 
research.

You've been posting gorgeous stuff lately; prints would be very nice.

Rick
 
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From: Walt Gilbert 
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Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 10:53 AM
Subject: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying a 
print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for good 
resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to charge and 
all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always just had small 
prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and the resulting print 
is about as predictable as you might expect.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

-- Walt

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Re: My K-5 is going to Arizona...

[Steven Desjardins]

" Don't jinks us..."

The renowned fraternal empathy of the PDML.  ;-)


On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Don't jinks us...
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
>> Boohoo.
>>
>> Mirror flops have resurfaced.  "Randomly activating mirror" is what
>> Randall on Pentax live chat calls it.  Of course, he says he couldn't
>> say what causes it.  It's a bummer - I do love this camera in so many
>> ways, it really stinks that it's less than 6 months old.  And, I've
>> been busy with it -- there's never a good time to be without your
>> favorite camera, I guess.   Thankfully I have my K-7, but it's just
>> not the same...
>>
>> Can I be the only one here on the pdml who's seen this affliction?
>> 'Fess up if you've had it, no need to be ashamed...
>>
>> :)
>> -c
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Re: Flower Wars

[Jack Davis]

Beautiful soft pastel colors, Don.
 
Jack



From: Don Guthrie 
To: pdml@pdml.net 
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:35 AM
Subject: Flower Wars

Here's my entry in the Spring flower wars. Taken yesterday with  the
k-5 & minimal post.
Enjoy! C&C always read and never ignored.


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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

Thank you, Rick!

The prices there don't seem unreasonable, and I can factor the cost into 
the price so that it doesn't end up being a setback. As I see it, if 
someone wants a decent print of one of my photos, $8 - $12 isn't going 
to be a deal-killer of a price difference.


Or am I wildly off the mark here?

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 12:02 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Walt,

Can't help you at all on selling them.

Getting them made:  I've been very happy with www.theslideprinter.com--they 
consistently deliver prints that =exactly= match what I saw on my monitor.

I'm thinking about getting a new printer, but haven't had time to do the 
research.

You've been posting gorgeous stuff lately; prints would be very nice.

Rick
  
http://photo.net/photos/RickW



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Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying a 
print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for good 
resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to charge and 
all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always just had small 
prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and the resulting print 
is about as predictable as you might expect.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

-- Walt

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OT -- Really annoying Photo.net behavior

[P. J. Alling]

This just started to happen this morning.  When I click on a link anyone 
sends to the list that goes to Photo.net the page loads normally then 
goes blank as the photo.net site appears to try and load some kind of 
advertisement.  So far it seems to only happen on photo,net so I think 
it's from their site and not some kind of malwear that got installed on 
my computer but jeez if if they are actually doing this by design what 
kind of idiots do they have doing their web programming.


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RE: PESO - Central Market

[Bob W]

> 
> The facade of Lancaster's market in the morning sun.  Within, scores of
> local farmers (many Amish) selling their produce.
> 

Show, don't tell.

B

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> Comments appreciated.
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Re: GESO: Front Porch Photography - 3/22/12

[Walt Gilbert]

On 3/24/2012 12:50 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Mar 23, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629282718468/

#1 is really cool, I'd like to see a cropped closeup.

#4 reminds me of the cover art for Peter Gabriel's album "Up".

Cheers,
Dave



Thank you, Dave!

And yes -- the Peter Gabriel cover art does bear an uncanny resemblance!

Here's a tighter crop on the robin photo. It's a little rough, as 
expected -- which is why I chose a looser crop.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/6865316374/in/photostream/lightbox/

-- Walt

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GESO: 8 of Maui

[Tim Bray]

Yes, it does include two palm-tree-against-the-sunset shots, but one
of those includes Venus and Jupiter: http://goo.gl/GM91q

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Re: Glumness Reigns: My Tamron is Cactus

[Darren Addy]

I would think that the 2x converter would eliminate the problem, but
at the cost of a precious stop of light. It would be interesting to
experiment with other things, like straight extension tubes and see if
even a slight movement away from the body reduces or eliminates the
problem.

I doubt that you will see the problem with most images you take with
it. Only those that have a bright/light background (like shooting
against the sky).

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RE: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[JC O'Connell]

buy some good glossy paper and give it a try, even if you
end up not doing it for hire, you can always use the paper
for yourself. Cant hurt to try it out. I have a small hp deskjet
( forget the model number ) that makes pretty nice color prints.

-
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walt
Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 1:04 PM
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I have an HP Deskjet 3000, but haven't ever tried using it to print 
images on the assumption that it's just not up to the task. In fact, I 
haven't even bothered to buy any decent  paper stock for it.

I suppose I could give it a whirl and see if it's "close enough for 
government work" until I can get something better. I just hate to send 
out an inferior print if I can offer the purchaser a better value -- 
even if it causes me some extra expense.

Do you suppose it would be worth the trouble to bother getting decent 
paper for it?

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 11:11 AM, JC O'Connell wrote:
> if you just want to do 8.5x11" prints you can buy
> a really decent photo printer for only $100 or so. Paper
> and ink will be an ongoing expense however.
>
> -
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> -
>
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Walt
> Gilbert
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 12:08 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: OT: Advice&  recommendations on selling prints
>
> In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm
> in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I
> sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth
> for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least
> affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it
> affordably.
>
> But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
> options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw
> my way within reach.
>
> -- Walt
>
> On 3/24/2012 10:55 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an essential
> part of the photographic process and digital tools give you complete
> control. When you leave the printing to someone else, they are free to
alter
> your vision. You can now get the superb Epson Stylus Photo R3000 for $599
at
> B&H, after rebate.They still have the earlier R2880, which is nearly as
> good, lacking only the auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or
> glossy. Its $449.95 after rebate. I paid nearly double for mine a couple
of
> years ago. The R2000, which performs best on glossy papers is $389 after
> rebate. All can print up to 13 x 19 borderless or 12 x 18 with a border.
And
> they deliver superb prints.
>> P)aul
>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:
>>
>>> I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 at
> first. My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on appropriate
> paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of services from "Here's your
> picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and then you can have a glossy
> picture". I'm mostly looking to simply get prints that are suitable for
> framing for the time being, and then stepping up to gallery-type prints
> if/when I start producing work that justifies it and there's any kind of
> demand for it.
>>> As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping than I'd
> like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover that the
> resolution is sub-par.
>>> -- Walt
>>>
>>> On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've
> found the price for having these larger prints done (from CD's)
> significantly less expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox $35
> these days. Had been about twice that, back in the film days, when that
> often included a scanning charge.

 Jack


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 Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
 Subject: OT: Advice&recommendations on selling prints

 Hi all,

 As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about
buying
> a print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for
> good resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to
> charge and all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always
> just had small prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and
> the resulting print is about as predictable as you might expect.
 Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

 -- Walt

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Re: Ned Bunnell blogs the K-01

[John Sessoms]

From: David J Brooks


On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

From: "knarftheriault



Holy hyperbole, Batman!

I started reading the paragraph that started with how "shockingly
easy" it is to use, but really couldn't get past that.

Just a bit OTT for me. And here I thought that photographers took
pictures and the camera was just a tool...

Cheers, frank


He lost me at the assertion "one of those cameras that turns any user?even
the most basic user?into a professional photographer".


He lost me at free beer.


Free beer might have made it worth hanging around and listening to the 
rest of his drivel.


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Re: Book on trick photography, have your eye bleach handy

[John Sessoms]

From: Miserere


One further comment. I liked how he had a photo of a hand going into a
computer monitor holding a Windows info box saying "This was made
without Photoshop" or something to that effect. Yeah, he used Gimp!
It's a bit disingenuous to promise people they can do stuff without
Photoshop only to later inform them (once they've purchased your book)
they have to learn an even less intuitive software program.


I read that more as "You can do this without having to spend $600."

I don't think the difficulty of figuring out how to use Photoshop is as 
big a barrier as the price for most people.


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PESO: Skywalker

[Paul Stenquist]

K-5, D* 16-50, f8, 1/160th, ISO 1600

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15412254

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Re: Ned Bunnell blogs the K-01

[Postmaster]

David J Brooks wrote:

>On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>>>
>>> He lost me at the assertion "one of those cameras that turns any user-
>>> even the most basic user-into a professional photographer".
>>>
>>> Bullshit! Equipment don't make you a photographer.
>>>
>>
>> Really? Try being a photographer with no equipment...
>
>I think they are called painters.:-)

With *no* equipment? Try "finger painters".

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Re: PESO: Skywalker

[Jack Davis]

Effective pose. Has a time travel feel. Pensive mood also adds.

Jack


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K-5, D* 16-50, f8, 1/160th, ISO 1600

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15412254

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Re: Photoshop CS6 Beta

[John Sessoms]

From: Brian Walters


Quoting Larry Colen :


On Mar 23, 2012, at 6:53 AM, John Sessoms wrote:


From: Brian Walters


Not sure if this has been posted previously, but in case anyone is
interested in playing with the next Photoshop:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/photoshopcs6/

At a 1.7 GB downlaod, I think I'll pass.

The video for the 6 favorite features comes across like he's
reading bedtime stories to a 3 year old.

I don't know about the "new UI". One of my big complaints with
Windoze has always been they keep changing the interface, so that I
have to learn an all new one every time a newer version comes out.

That's one of the things I like about *nix machines.  Just open up a
terminal and you always have a bash prompt, which doesn't change on
the whims of other people.



Put "%windir%\system32\cmd.exe" in to a shortcut on the desktop and
you can have a terminal in Windows as well. Not sure that it would
serve any practical purpose, but there you go...



I think they call the little strip next to the start button the start-up 
bar?


Anyway, if you drag the shortcut there, you only have to click it once.
And set the shortcut properties to start in C:\.



Windows had a nice, easy to use interface that changed very little
from Windows 3 to Windows XP. And the software authors pretty much
stuck to a standard interface as well.  It was as boring as bat shit,
but it worked.

Then MS decided that the start menu system that had worked well for
all that time was no longer good enough so they foisted the new
all-singing, all-dancing start menu on us in Vista and Win 7, which
meant we all had to waste time working out how the new system er
worked.  I did that for a couple of days before I went Googling and
found 'Classic Shell', which gave me back my boring as bat shit
interface.  Bliss!

I hear Windows 8 is changing the start menu yet again, which suggests
that the Vista/Windows7 interface wasn't as good as MS thought it was.
  But I already knew that.



I have Vista on my laptop and as much as possible I've told it to 
configure as "Classic" so it looks as much like XP as I can get it to.


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RE: PESO: Skywalker

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

She looks so pensive. Not used to seeing Grace without a smile on her face.

Still a beautiful picture. Love the perspective.

Cheers,
frank

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Christopher Hitchens

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K-5, D* 16-50, f8, 1/160th, ISO 1600

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15412254

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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[P. J. Alling]

I was going to recommend that you try and get a HP B855[0,3,8] printer.  
Unfortunately they're discontinued but when researching Matte papers I 
found quite a few advertised for sale in the $100-150 range. Pretty much 
the price of full set of inks for an 8 color printer.  HP also used to 
give, a 50 rebate with any inkjet printer, no matter what make returned 
to them with proof of purchase of an HP Printer,moot point in this case 
but I wasn't able to find the form for that.


It's an excellent printer for the price capable of producing 13x44" 
prints.  Once again unfortunately on delving a little deeper I found 
that all of those low prices were more or less web zombies.  The only 
places that still have this printer in stock are Amazon which is selling 
it for close to its original MRSP and a site which had me ROTFLMAO, with 
an asking price of get this $.91. 
 
I guess that they'll have that baby in stock for a long time.


On 3/24/2012 12:07 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:
In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm 
in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless 
I sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be 
hand-to-mouth for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things 
in the least affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being 
able to do it affordably.


But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those 
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can 
claw my way within reach.


-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:55 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an 
essential part of the photographic process and digital tools give you 
complete control. When you leave the printing to someone else, they 
are free to alter your vision. You can now get the superb Epson 
Stylus Photo R3000 for $599 at B&H, after rebate.They still have the 
earlier R2880, which is nearly as good, lacking only the 
auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or glossy. Its $449.95 
after rebate. I paid nearly double for mine a couple of years ago. 
The R2000, which performs best on glossy papers is $389 after rebate. 
All can print up to 13 x 19 borderless or 12 x 18 with a border. And 
they deliver superb prints.


P)aul
On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 
at first. My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on 
appropriate paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of services 
from "Here's your picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and 
then you can have a glossy picture". I'm mostly looking to simply 
get prints that are suitable for framing for the time being, and 
then stepping up to gallery-type prints if/when I start producing 
work that justifies it and there's any kind of demand for it.


As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping than 
I'd like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover 
that the resolution is sub-par.


-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. 
I've found the price for having these larger prints done (from 
CD's) significantly less expensive than they once were. Example 
16X20 'prox $35 these days. Had been about twice that, back in the 
film days, when that often included a scanning charge.



Jack


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Subject: OT: Advice&   recommendations on selling prints

Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about 
buying a print and I was wondering if any of you might have any 
suggestions for good resources to help figure out who to use for 
the printing, what to charge and all that jazz. I really haven't 
the first clue as I've always just had small prints made up at 
Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and the resulting print is 
about as predictable as you might expect.


Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

-- Walt

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Re: PESO - Central Market

[Rick Womer]

Alas, Bob, none of the pics of the interior seems worth showing.  It was 
jam-packed, with narrow isles and harsh and uneven light.  

Rick
 
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Subject: RE: PESO - Central Market

> 
> The facade of Lancaster's market in the morning sun.  Within, scores of
> local farmers (many Amish) selling their produce.
> 

Show, don't tell.

B

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Re: OT PESO - Monica

[Bruce Walker]

As I commented on Flickr, tricky lighting: well planned for this hair
toss and very well executed.

I do think she's a little too blown out along her neck and right
cheek, but the backlit hair against the black bkgnd is just so cool!
:)

How are ya liking your D800? Is it as I suspect, perfect for studio?


On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM, David Savage  wrote:
>
> G'day All,
>
> Had a little studio shoot today:
>
>
> 
>
> Direct link:
>
> 
>
> D800, AF-S 70-200mm f2.8 @ 95mm, f8 @ 1/125, ISO 200, Out of camera jpeg.
>
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>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: OT PESO - Monica

[Bruce Walker]

+1 !!

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 11:21 AM, David Savage  wrote:
> You've obviously never tried to shoot a model doing this.
>
> Every time I've tried doing this in the past it was a case of. arms
> right: hair & face wrong, Hair right: arms & face wrong. I'm stoked
> she managed to get the hair & face right.
>
> On 24 March 2012 23:09, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Hi, Dave,
>> I don't care for the pose "Flame" chose for her lower body. Stiff and 
>> unattractive..IMO of course.
>> Suggest you cut her off to just below the belt. Next, thoroughly saturate 
>> all colors.'til the hair becomes flames. It will give her skin tone a light 
>> red cast, but may not push the dress beyond reason.
>> I doubt you're going for a natural look anyway. (?)
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: David Savage 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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>> Subject: OT PESO - Monica
>>
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Had a little studio shoot today:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Direct link:
>>
>> 
>>
>> D800, AF-S 70-200mm f2.8 @ 95mm, f8 @ 1/125, ISO 200, Out of camera jpeg.
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
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Re: Hello & Nothing great

[steve harley]

on 2012-03-23 22:26 Christine Aguila wrote


http://www.caguila.com/miscell


most enjoyed the ducks (consider cropping the right?) & the first shot of the 
solitary street light — both have things to say


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Re: NiMH batteries on the K-5

[John Francis]

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 11:07:49AM +, SV Hovland wrote:
> 
> What is your experience with NiMH batteries on K-5?

When I got my K-5 I tried using AAs in the battery grip while thr
main battery was charging (just to get the camera setup done, of
course :-)

With rechargeable NiMH batteries out of the grab pile, it wouldn't
even power on (which gave me a nasty moment ...). Trying with regular
alkaline batteries worked, though.

Based on that experience I've put a set of regular alkalines in the
battery sled, just in case.  But with the regular camera battery,
and a second one in the battery grip, I don't think I'm all that
likely to need AAs as long as the main batteries start off charged;
that's enough for considerably more exposures than I'm likely to
make before I can get back to somewhere I can plug in the charger.


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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[John Sessoms]

From: Walt Gilbert


In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm
in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I
sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth
for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least
affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it
affordably.

But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw
my way within reach.

-- Walt


If you've got a Costco nearby, you might look into a membership. Their 
photo-lab is reasonably good. I use them pretty much for anything 12x18 
or smaller.


As far as pricing, the school solution where I went to school was a 
print sells for at least 4 to 7 times your cost, otherwise you're losing 
money.


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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

Yeah, that strikes me as a tad steep.

I was hoping there was a service along the lines of Shutterfly that had 
a good reputation and was relatively affordable. Because at this point, 
all I really want is to get some decent prints made and be able to offer 
them for sale. Dropping $150-$200 bucks on a printer right now just 
isn't feasible while I'm trying to raise the cash for a K20D. But, if I 
can farm out the printing to a decent service and get a decent value for 
people who would like to have a print of any of my shots, I'd like to be 
able to do that until I can get a good printer of my own.


If all they want is a 5x7 print for whatever reason, I figure the HP 
Deskjet I have would probably do a decent enough job with good paper. 
But, if someone wants an 8x10 or larger, I'd like to be able to offer 
that to them somehow until I can get my hands on a printer that's 
capable of handling it well. Unfortunately, for the time being at least, 
getting the printer, ink and paper is completely off the table. So, I 
have to go with a less appetizing alternative.


-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 2:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
I was going to recommend that you try and get a HP B855[0,3,8] 
printer.  Unfortunately they're discontinued but when researching 
Matte papers I found quite a few advertised for sale in the $100-150 
range. Pretty much the price of full set of inks for an 8 color 
printer.  HP also used to give, a 50 rebate with any inkjet printer, 
no matter what make returned to them with proof of purchase of an HP 
Printer,moot point in this case but I wasn't able to find the form for 
that.


It's an excellent printer for the price capable of producing 13x44" 
prints.  Once again unfortunately on delving a little deeper I found 
that all of those low prices were more or less web zombies.  The only 
places that still have this printer in stock are Amazon which is 
selling it for close to its original MRSP and a site which had me 
ROTFLMAO, with an asking price of get this $.91. 
 
I guess that they'll have that baby in stock for a long time.


On 3/24/2012 12:07 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:
In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. 
I'm in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints 
unless I sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be 
hand-to-mouth for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things 
in the least affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being 
able to do it affordably.


But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those 
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can 
claw my way within reach.


-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:55 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an 
essential part of the photographic process and digital tools give 
you complete control. When you leave the printing to someone else, 
they are free to alter your vision. You can now get the superb Epson 
Stylus Photo R3000 for $599 at B&H, after rebate.They still have the 
earlier R2880, which is nearly as good, lacking only the 
auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or glossy. Its $449.95 
after rebate. I paid nearly double for mine a couple of years ago. 
The R2000, which performs best on glossy papers is $389 after 
rebate. All can print up to 13 x 19 borderless or 12 x 18 with a 
border. And they deliver superb prints.


P)aul
On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 
at first. My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on 
appropriate paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of services 
from "Here's your picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and 
then you can have a glossy picture". I'm mostly looking to simply 
get prints that are suitable for framing for the time being, and 
then stepping up to gallery-type prints if/when I start producing 
work that justifies it and there's any kind of demand for it.


As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping 
than I'd like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to 
discover that the resolution is sub-par.


-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. 
I've found the price for having these larger prints done (from 
CD's) significantly less expensive than they once were. Example 
16X20 'prox $35 these days. Had been about twice that, back in the 
film days, when that often included a scanning charge.



Jack


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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: OT: Advice&   recommendations on selling prints

Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about 
buying a print and I was wondering if any of you might have any 
suggestions for

Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[P. J. Alling]

There are a couple of different Deskjet 8000 models.  It might depend on 
which one you have weather it's worth the try or not.  IIRC the DeskJet 
printers all lacked HP's PhotoREt technology which is their method for 
creating Photo realistic output with inkjet printers, that's what set 
them apart from the Photosmart printers.  Since HP has discontinued most 
of their semi dedicated consumer photo printers, maybe they're putting 
the PhotoREt firmware into the some or all of the Deskjets now.


On 3/24/2012 1:03 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:
I have an HP Deskjet 3000, but haven't ever tried using it to print 
images on the assumption that it's just not up to the task. In fact, I 
haven't even bothered to buy any decent  paper stock for it.


I suppose I could give it a whirl and see if it's "close enough for 
government work" until I can get something better. I just hate to send 
out an inferior print if I can offer the purchaser a better value -- 
even if it causes me some extra expense.


Do you suppose it would be worth the trouble to bother getting decent 
paper for it?


-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 11:11 AM, JC O'Connell wrote:

if you just want to do 8.5x11" prints you can buy
a really decent photo printer for only $100 or so. Paper
and ink will be an ongoing expense however.

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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf 
Of Walt

Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT: Advice&  recommendations on selling prints

In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm
in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I
sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth
for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least
affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it
affordably.

But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw
my way within reach.

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:55 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an 
essential

part of the photographic process and digital tools give you complete
control. When you leave the printing to someone else, they are free 
to alter
your vision. You can now get the superb Epson Stylus Photo R3000 for 
$599 at

B&H, after rebate.They still have the earlier R2880, which is nearly as
good, lacking only the auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or
glossy. Its $449.95 after rebate. I paid nearly double for mine a 
couple of

years ago. The R2000, which performs best on glossy papers is $389 after
rebate. All can print up to 13 x 19 borderless or 12 x 18 with a 
border. And

they deliver superb prints.

P)aul
On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 at
first. My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on 
appropriate

paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of services from "Here's your
picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and then you can have a 
glossy

picture". I'm mostly looking to simply get prints that are suitable for
framing for the time being, and then stepping up to gallery-type prints
if/when I start producing work that justifies it and there's any kind of
demand for it.
As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping 
than I'd

like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover that the
resolution is sub-par.

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've

found the price for having these larger prints done (from CD's)
significantly less expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox 
$35

these days. Had been about twice that, back in the film days, when that
often included a scanning charge.


Jack


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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: OT: Advice&recommendations on selling prints

Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about 
buying

a print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for
good resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to
charge and all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always
just had small prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, 
and

the resulting print is about as predictable as you might expect.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

-- Walt

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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

On 3/24/2012 2:32 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Walt Gilbert


In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm
in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I
sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth
for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least
affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it
affordably.

But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw
my way within reach.

-- Walt


If you've got a Costco nearby, you might look into a membership. Their 
photo-lab is reasonably good. I use them pretty much for anything 
12x18 or smaller.


As far as pricing, the school solution where I went to school was a 
print sells for at least 4 to 7 times your cost, otherwise you're 
losing money.



Thanks, John.

The pricing is what I'm most curious about. I figure I can go with the 
low end of the scale starting out, and limit my prints to a fairly small 
size for the time being. I doubt I'll do many prints that are very much 
larger than 8x10 for now. If I can order from an online printing service 
with a good price/quality reputation and have them shipped directly to 
the buyer, I'll be happy. I'm not quite ready to start doing 
gallery-quality prints, but I'd like to be able to offer nice photos for 
people who may be interested in buying a print of any of my photos that 
they happen to see.


It all boils down to the fact that I'm going to have to crawl before I 
can walk. It's going to take a little time, but I'm OK with that.


Thanks again for the input!

-- Walt


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Re: PESO - Central Market

[Walt Gilbert]

On 3/24/2012 8:00 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

The facade of Lancaster's market in the morning sun.  Within, scores of local 
farmers (many Amish) selling their produce.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15378576&size=lg


(K-7, FA 24-90)

Comments appreciated.

Rick

I love the gentle lighting in this image, Rick -- especially on the 
building's imprint. Great balance.


-- Walt

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Re: PESO: Skywalker

[P. J. Alling]

You'd be pensive too, if you just found out Darth Vader was your father...

On 3/24/2012 2:36 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

She looks so pensive. Not used to seeing Grace without a smile on her face.

Still a beautiful picture. Love the perspective.

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

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Subject: PESO: Skywalker

K-5, D* 16-50, f8, 1/160th, ISO 1600

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15412254




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RE: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[JC O'Connell]

If youre going to use a third party for prints, I would
recommend you NOT direct ship the prints, you will need to
quality control them yourself before giving to a client.

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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walt
Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:57 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

On 3/24/2012 2:32 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Walt Gilbert
>
>> In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm
>> in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I
>> sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth
>> for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least
>> affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it
>> affordably.
>>
>> But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
>> options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw
>> my way within reach.
>>
>> -- Walt
>
> If you've got a Costco nearby, you might look into a membership. Their 
> photo-lab is reasonably good. I use them pretty much for anything 
> 12x18 or smaller.
>
> As far as pricing, the school solution where I went to school was a 
> print sells for at least 4 to 7 times your cost, otherwise you're 
> losing money.
>
Thanks, John.

The pricing is what I'm most curious about. I figure I can go with the 
low end of the scale starting out, and limit my prints to a fairly small 
size for the time being. I doubt I'll do many prints that are very much 
larger than 8x10 for now. If I can order from an online printing service 
with a good price/quality reputation and have them shipped directly to 
the buyer, I'll be happy. I'm not quite ready to start doing 
gallery-quality prints, but I'd like to be able to offer nice photos for 
people who may be interested in buying a print of any of my photos that 
they happen to see.

It all boils down to the fact that I'm going to have to crawl before I 
can walk. It's going to take a little time, but I'm OK with that.

Thanks again for the input!

-- Walt


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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[P. J. Alling]

I don't have a Costco membership, but Sam's Club offers similar 
services.  11x14's are 2.87,  20x30's are 8.96.  I have no idea what the 
weight or thickness the paper is on those, or what the colors look 
like.  I expect you won't pay a lot more from any online source aimed at 
consumers.


On 3/24/2012 3:56 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

On 3/24/2012 2:32 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Walt Gilbert


In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm
in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints 
unless I
sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be 
hand-to-mouth

for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least
affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it
affordably.

But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw
my way within reach.

-- Walt


If you've got a Costco nearby, you might look into a membership. 
Their photo-lab is reasonably good. I use them pretty much for 
anything 12x18 or smaller.


As far as pricing, the school solution where I went to school was a 
print sells for at least 4 to 7 times your cost, otherwise you're 
losing money.



Thanks, John.

The pricing is what I'm most curious about. I figure I can go with the 
low end of the scale starting out, and limit my prints to a fairly 
small size for the time being. I doubt I'll do many prints that are 
very much larger than 8x10 for now. If I can order from an online 
printing service with a good price/quality reputation and have them 
shipped directly to the buyer, I'll be happy. I'm not quite ready to 
start doing gallery-quality prints, but I'd like to be able to offer 
nice photos for people who may be interested in buying a print of any 
of my photos that they happen to see.


It all boils down to the fact that I'm going to have to crawl before I 
can walk. It's going to take a little time, but I'm OK with that.


Thanks again for the input!

-- Walt





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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

Thanks, JC.

Yeah, that occurred to me a few minutes ago, given the results I've 
sometimes gotten from Walmart. I've had photos printed there that bore 
only the slightest resemblance to the ones I uploaded, and I suppose 
that could happen just about anywhere you get them.


-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 3:20 PM, JC O'Connell wrote:

If youre going to use a third party for prints, I would
recommend you NOT direct ship the prints, you will need to
quality control them yourself before giving to a client.

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Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:57 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT: Advice&  recommendations on selling prints

On 3/24/2012 2:32 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Walt Gilbert


In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm
in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I
sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth
for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least
affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it
affordably.

But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw
my way within reach.

-- Walt

If you've got a Costco nearby, you might look into a membership. Their
photo-lab is reasonably good. I use them pretty much for anything
12x18 or smaller.

As far as pricing, the school solution where I went to school was a
print sells for at least 4 to 7 times your cost, otherwise you're
losing money.


Thanks, John.

The pricing is what I'm most curious about. I figure I can go with the
low end of the scale starting out, and limit my prints to a fairly small
size for the time being. I doubt I'll do many prints that are very much
larger than 8x10 for now. If I can order from an online printing service
with a good price/quality reputation and have them shipped directly to
the buyer, I'll be happy. I'm not quite ready to start doing
gallery-quality prints, but I'd like to be able to offer nice photos for
people who may be interested in buying a print of any of my photos that
they happen to see.

It all boils down to the fact that I'm going to have to crawl before I
can walk. It's going to take a little time, but I'm OK with that.

Thanks again for the input!

-- Walt





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Re: Photoshop CS6 Beta

[Brian Walters]

Quoting John Sessoms :


From: Brian Walters



Then MS decided that the start menu system that had worked well for
all that time was no longer good enough so they foisted the new
all-singing, all-dancing start menu on us in Vista and Win 7, which
meant we all had to waste time working out how the new system er
worked.  I did that for a couple of days before I went Googling and
found 'Classic Shell', which gave me back my boring as bat shit
interface.  Bliss!

I hear Windows 8 is changing the start menu yet again, which suggests
that the Vista/Windows7 interface wasn't as good as MS thought it was.
 But I already knew that.



I have Vista on my laptop and as much as possible I've told it to  
configure as "Classic" so it looks as much like XP as I can get it to.






That works on Vista but MS removed that option on Win 7.



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Re: 53min. video interview with HCB

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks ...
I've downloaded the video from YouTube and have it on the iPad now.
I'll watch it when I get a chance. :-)

G

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > > Not sure how many follow petapixel, but for those interested...
>> > > http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/22/an-interview-with-henri-
>> cartier-
>> > bresson-the-father-of-photojournalism/
>> >
>> > I'm waiting to hear BobW's critique. ]'-)
>>
>> > Godfrey
>>
>
> I've just watched the first half hour of it and I'll watch the rest later,
> simply because it's interested to see and hear HCB himself.
>
> But that interviewer is dreadful. He talks to HCB in the patronising way a
> child talks to a gaga grandparent, almost always finishing with closed
> questions. There's no sense of an open conversation taking place between 2
> intelligent people who share an interest, and the interviewer just seems to
> want Cartier-Bresson to rehash stuff that he's said a million times before.
>
> Cartier-Bresson's Frenchness and disdain for the conventions of TV seem to
> be completely beyond the experience or understanding of the interviewer. And
> he keeps trying to corner him into talking about his status, as if anyone
> from a background like HCB's is going to sit there and say 'Yes, I'm the
> greatest photographer of the age and an artist on a par with Matisse and
> Picasso'.
>
> Fur fecks' sake, what a wasted opportunity.
>
> B
>
>> I haven't had time to watch it yet. I was distracted by this related
>> story:
>> > lazare-in-
>> google-street-view/>
>>
>> I couldn't resist going there myself a couple of years ago:
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> B
>>
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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

Thanks, P.J.

Those prices don't sound too bad at all. I can use the Sam's Club 
membership that I have access to as a member of a local fraternal 
organization, so I just might check into that. I've also been looking 
around at the various online sources and there doesn't seem to be a huge 
disparity between them. I just wonder if any one of them is better at it 
than the others.


Guess I'll do a little more research.

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 3:21 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
I don't have a Costco membership, but Sam's Club offers similar 
services.  11x14's are 2.87,  20x30's are 8.96.  I have no idea what 
the weight or thickness the paper is on those, or what the colors look 
like.  I expect you won't pay a lot more from any online source aimed 
at consumers.


On 3/24/2012 3:56 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

On 3/24/2012 2:32 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Walt Gilbert


In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm
in a bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints 
unless I
sell enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be 
hand-to-mouth

for the foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least
affordable way in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it
affordably.

But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can 
claw

my way within reach.

-- Walt


If you've got a Costco nearby, you might look into a membership. 
Their photo-lab is reasonably good. I use them pretty much for 
anything 12x18 or smaller.


As far as pricing, the school solution where I went to school was a 
print sells for at least 4 to 7 times your cost, otherwise you're 
losing money.



Thanks, John.

The pricing is what I'm most curious about. I figure I can go with 
the low end of the scale starting out, and limit my prints to a 
fairly small size for the time being. I doubt I'll do many prints 
that are very much larger than 8x10 for now. If I can order from an 
online printing service with a good price/quality reputation and have 
them shipped directly to the buyer, I'll be happy. I'm not quite 
ready to start doing gallery-quality prints, but I'd like to be able 
to offer nice photos for people who may be interested in buying a 
print of any of my photos that they happen to see.


It all boils down to the fact that I'm going to have to crawl before 
I can walk. It's going to take a little time, but I'm OK with that.


Thanks again for the input!

-- Walt








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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Walt Gilbert :


Thanks, JC.

Yeah, that occurred to me a few minutes ago, given the results I've  
sometimes gotten from Walmart. I've had photos printed there that  
bore only the slightest resemblance to the ones I uploaded, and I  
suppose that could happen just about anywhere you get them.




Given that I'm on the other side of the globe, I can't help directly  
with your problem but maybe my method will help.


I don't do my own prints.  I found a professional lab in Melbourne  
(I'm in Sydney) who does good work.  I upload processed images to  
their website and order 6 x 4 'proofs'.  I get them back by express  
post in a couple of days.  I examine the proofs, tweak the original  
files to lighten/darken them if necessary and then order the larger  
versions.  Occasionally I'll do a second 'proof' just to be sure the  
colour is as I want it.


If I was doing a lot of prints, this could turn out to be an expensive  
method.  But I don't and it's worked well so far.  However, now that  
printers are becoming more 'affordable', I may start saving a few  
pennies to get my own printer (that is, after I upgrade my DSLR)




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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[George Sinos]

Walt - look into the details of a Smugmug Pro account.  $150 a year
for unlimited space/bandwith, full customization of your site if you
want too do it.  They have a shopping cart, do all the fulfillment,
handle the help desk and complaints.  You choose a consumer or pro lab
and set your own prices.  Read the detail on their site.  Two week
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I've had nothing but great service.

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On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:
> In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm in a
> bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I sell
> enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth for the
> foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least affordable way
> in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it affordably.
>
> But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
> options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw my
> way within reach.
>
> -- Walt
>
>
> On 3/24/2012 10:55 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>> Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an essential
>> part of the photographic process and digital tools give you complete
>> control. When you leave the printing to someone else, they are free to alter
>> your vision. You can now get the superb Epson Stylus Photo R3000 for $599 at
>> B&H, after rebate.They still have the earlier R2880, which is nearly as
>> good, lacking only the auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or
>> glossy. Its $449.95 after rebate. I paid nearly double for mine a couple of
>> years ago. The R2000, which performs best on glossy papers is $389 after
>> rebate. All can print up to 13 x 19 borderless or 12 x 18 with a border. And
>> they deliver superb prints.
>>
>> P)aul
>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:
>>
>>> I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 at
>>> first. My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on appropriate
>>> paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of services from "Here's your
>>> picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and then you can have a glossy
>>> picture". I'm mostly looking to simply get prints that are suitable for
>>> framing for the time being, and then stepping up to gallery-type prints
>>> if/when I start producing work that justifies it and there's any kind of
>>> demand for it.
>>>
>>> As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping than I'd
>>> like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover that the
>>> resolution is sub-par.
>>>
>>> -- Walt
>>>
>>> On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've
 found the price for having these larger prints done (from CD's)
 significantly less expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox $35
 these days. Had been about twice that, back in the film days, when that
 often included a scanning charge.


 Jack


 - Original Message -
 From: Walt Gilbert
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Cc:
 Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
 Subject: OT: Advice&   recommendations on selling prints

 Hi all,

 As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying
 a print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for
 good resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to
 charge and all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always
 just had small prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and
 the resulting print is about as predictable as you might expect.

 Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

 -- Walt

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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

On 3/24/2012 3:48 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Walt Gilbert :


Thanks, JC.

Yeah, that occurred to me a few minutes ago, given the results I've 
sometimes gotten from Walmart. I've had photos printed there that 
bore only the slightest resemblance to the ones I uploaded, and I 
suppose that could happen just about anywhere you get them.




Given that I'm on the other side of the globe, I can't help directly 
with your problem but maybe my method will help.


I don't do my own prints.  I found a professional lab in Melbourne 
(I'm in Sydney) who does good work.  I upload processed images to 
their website and order 6 x 4 'proofs'.  I get them back by express 
post in a couple of days.  I examine the proofs, tweak the original 
files to lighten/darken them if necessary and then order the larger 
versions.  Occasionally I'll do a second 'proof' just to be sure the 
colour is as I want it.


If I was doing a lot of prints, this could turn out to be an expensive 
method.  But I don't and it's worked well so far.  However, now that 
printers are becoming more 'affordable', I may start saving a few 
pennies to get my own printer (that is, after I upgrade my DSLR)




That does sound like a good idea given that 4x6's are just a few pennies 
per print. I guess there's really no huge rush in getting prints out to 
people who want them, so an extra week or two probably wouldn't hurt if 
it means making sure they get a good print for their money -- which 
ain't gonna be a whole lot, anyway.


Thanks for the idea!

-- Walt

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Re: Ned Bunnell blogs the K-01

[kwaller]

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "John Sessoms" 

Subject: Re: Ned Bunnell blogs the K-01



From: David J Brooks

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM, John Sessoms  
wrote:

From: "knarftheriault



Holy hyperbole, Batman!

I started reading the paragraph that started with how "shockingly
easy" it is to use, but really couldn't get past that.

Just a bit OTT for me. And here I thought that photographers took
pictures and the camera was just a tool...

Cheers, frank


He lost me at the assertion "one of those cameras that turns any 
user?even

the most basic user?into a professional photographer".


He lost me at free beer.


Free beer might have made it worth hanging around and listening to the 
rest of his drivel.




Ah, you forgot, it's free beer tomorrow.


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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Walt Gilbert]

That does sound enticing, George. I'll have to look into that at some 
point in the future, when I get a little more cash-flow going. For now, 
it's just out of reach. But, if I can manage to start selling a photo 
here and there, it certainly sounds like a very worthwhile investment.


And I do like the look of the Smugmug galleries that I've seen on here.

Thanks for the info!

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 3:59 PM, George Sinos wrote:

Walt - look into the details of a Smugmug Pro account.  $150 a year
for unlimited space/bandwith, full customization of your site if you
want too do it.  They have a shopping cart, do all the fulfillment,
handle the help desk and complaints.  You choose a consumer or pro lab
and set your own prices.  Read the detail on their site.  Two week
free trial.

I've had nothing but great service.

gs

George Sinos

gsi...@gmail.com
www.georgesphotos.net
plus.georgesinos.com



On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:

In all honesty, it's because I'm as broke as the Ten Commandments. I'm in a
bit of a catch-22 where I can't afford to do my own prints unless I sell
enough prints to be able to do them. It's going to be hand-to-mouth for the
foreseeable future, so I'm forced to do things in the least affordable way
in order to have any hope of ever being able to do it affordably.

But, if I ever do get to that point, I'll be sure to look into those
options. But, for the time being, it's beyond my grasp until I can claw my
way within reach.

-- Walt


On 3/24/2012 10:55 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an essential
part of the photographic process and digital tools give you complete
control. When you leave the printing to someone else, they are free to alter
your vision. You can now get the superb Epson Stylus Photo R3000 for $599 at
B&H, after rebate.They still have the earlier R2880, which is nearly as
good, lacking only the auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or
glossy. Its $449.95 after rebate. I paid nearly double for mine a couple of
years ago. The R2000, which performs best on glossy papers is $389 after
rebate. All can print up to 13 x 19 borderless or 12 x 18 with a border. And
they deliver superb prints.

P)aul
On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 at
first. My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on appropriate
paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of services from "Here's your
picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and then you can have a glossy
picture". I'm mostly looking to simply get prints that are suitable for
framing for the time being, and then stepping up to gallery-type prints
if/when I start producing work that justifies it and there's any kind of
demand for it.

As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping than I'd
like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover that the
resolution is sub-par.

-- Walt

On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've
found the price for having these larger prints done (from CD's)
significantly less expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox $35
these days. Had been about twice that, back in the film days, when that
often included a scanning charge.


Jack


- Original Message -
From: Walt Gilbert
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: OT: Advice& recommendations on selling prints

Hi all,

As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying
a print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for
good resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to
charge and all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always
just had small prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and
the resulting print is about as predictable as you might expect.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

-- Walt

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Re: OT PESO - Monica

[Derby Chang]

On 25/03/2012 1:32 AM, David Savage wrote:

G'day All,

Had a little studio shoot today:



Direct link:



D800, AF-S 70-200mm f2.8 @ 95mm, f8 @ 1/125, ISO 200, Out of camera jpeg.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave




Beautiful, Dave. The shapes of the dress and the hair really go well. 
And Tangerine Tango is the pantone colour of the year, but you probably 
already knew that.




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Re: OT PESO - Monica

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Tangerine Tango is the new Honeysuckle!

Great pic, no matter the colour of her dress.

Cheers,
frank


"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Derby Chang 
Sent: March 24, 2012 3/24/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: OT PESO - Monica

On 25/03/2012 1:32 AM, David Savage wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> Had a little studio shoot today:
>
> 
>
> Direct link:
>
> 
>
> D800, AF-S 70-200mm f2.8 @ 95mm, f8 @ 1/125, ISO 200, Out of camera jpeg.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>


Beautiful, Dave. The shapes of the dress and the hair really go well. 
And Tangerine Tango is the pantone colour of the year, but you probably 
already knew that.



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Re: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[Paul Sorenson]

I can confirm the quality of the R2000 prints. While Epson extols its glossy 
print capabilities, I prefer matte papers and can attest to how great the 
prints are on matte paper. Plus, it's nice not to have to change black ink when 
shifting from matte to glossy. The R2000 also has wireless capabilities so you 
can put it where you want without having to string cable around. With the 
rebate it cost less than the R800 did eight years ago. 

And.if you need something to calibrate your monitor, I have a Spyder 2 
colorimeter you can have for the cost of shipping. 

-p

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 24, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Why not invest in a decent printer? Printing is, to my mind, an essential 
> part of the photographic process and digital tools give you complete control. 
> When you leave the printing to someone else, they are free to alter your 
> vision. You can now get the superb Epson Stylus Photo R3000 for $599 at B&H, 
> after rebate.They still have the earlier R2880, which is nearly as good, 
> lacking only the auto-selecting of black cartridges for matte or glossy. Its 
> $449.95 after rebate. I paid nearly double for mine a couple of years ago. 
> The R2000, which performs best on glossy papers is $389 after rebate. All can 
> print up to 13 x 19 borderless or 12 x 18 with a border. And they deliver 
> superb prints.
> 
> P)aul
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:
> 
>> I'm planning to start relatively small -- not going over, say, 8x10 at 
>> first. My main concern is that the prints look nice and are on appropriate 
>> paper. Wally World seems to offer a range of services from "Here's your 
>> picture" to "Give us a couple of extra days and then you can have a glossy 
>> picture". I'm mostly looking to simply get prints that are suitable for 
>> framing for the time being, and then stepping up to gallery-type prints 
>> if/when I start producing work that justifies it and there's any kind of 
>> demand for it.
>> 
>> As of now, my composition is such that I still do more cropping than I'd 
>> like, and I'd hate to get a large print made only to discover that the 
>> resolution is sub-par.
>> 
>> -- Walt
>> 
>> On 3/24/2012 10:24 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>> Can you afford a pro lab? I do all my own printing up to 16X20. I've found 
>>> the price for having these larger prints done (from CD's) significantly 
>>> less expensive than they once were. Example 16X20 'prox $35 these days. Had 
>>> been about twice that, back in the film days, when that often included a 
>>> scanning charge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jack
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Walt Gilbert
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:53 AM
>>> Subject: OT: Advice&  recommendations on selling prints
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As I mentioned in another thread, someone recently inquired about buying a 
>>> print and I was wondering if any of you might have any suggestions for good 
>>> resources to help figure out who to use for the printing, what to charge 
>>> and all that jazz. I really haven't the first clue as I've always just had 
>>> small prints made up at Wally World -- occasionally an 8x10, and the 
>>> resulting print is about as predictable as you might expect.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help anyone can offer!
>>> 
>>> -- Walt
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Re: My K-5 is going to Arizona...

[Bob Sullivan]

This is no time for empathy Steve.
I've shot 245 images in the past week as the weather is burning out the daffys.
And #1 son has borrowed the tripod and back-up camera!
I can't afford any problems with my K-5 right now.
I feel bad for Christine N (did you tell the K-5 that you loved
it???), but there are limits.
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> " Don't jinks us..."
>
> The renowned fraternal empathy of the PDML.  ;-)
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> Don't jinks us...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Christine Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>>> Boohoo.
>>>
>>> Mirror flops have resurfaced.  "Randomly activating mirror" is what
>>> Randall on Pentax live chat calls it.  Of course, he says he couldn't
>>> say what causes it.  It's a bummer - I do love this camera in so many
>>> ways, it really stinks that it's less than 6 months old.  And, I've
>>> been busy with it -- there's never a good time to be without your
>>> favorite camera, I guess.   Thankfully I have my K-7, but it's just
>>> not the same...
>>>
>>> Can I be the only one here on the pdml who's seen this affliction?
>>> 'Fess up if you've had it, no need to be ashamed...
>>>
>>> :)
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Re: GESO: 8 of Maui

[Jim King]

Tim Bray wrote on Sat, 24 Mar 2012 10:30:06 -0700

> Yes, it does include two palm-tree-against-the-sunset shots, but one
> of those includes Venus and Jupiter: 
> http://goo.gl/GM91q

Nice images - II have some similar ones. I've spent some time in these islands 
over the last 20 years and enjoyed every minute.  You're right that it's a 
better place to relax than one where you try to follow a schedule.

Regards, Jim

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RE: OT: Advice & recommendations on selling prints

[John Sessoms]

From: "JC O'Connell"


If youre going to use a third party for prints, I would
recommend you NOT direct ship the prints, you will need to
quality control them yourself before giving to a client.


Yeah, whether you're dealing with a local lab or an on-line lab, you 
should have the prints come to you so you can inspect them before 
delivering them to the client.


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Re: Photoshop CS6 Beta

[John Sessoms]

From: Brian Walters


Quoting John Sessoms :


From: Brian Walters


Then MS decided that the start menu system that had worked well for
all that time was no longer good enough so they foisted the new
all-singing, all-dancing start menu on us in Vista and Win 7, which
meant we all had to waste time working out how the new system er
worked.  I did that for a couple of days before I went Googling and
found 'Classic Shell', which gave me back my boring as bat shit
interface.  Bliss!

I hear Windows 8 is changing the start menu yet again, which suggests
that the Vista/Windows7 interface wasn't as good as MS thought it was.
 But I already knew that.


I have Vista on my laptop and as much as possible I've told it to
configure as "Classic" so it looks as much like XP as I can get it to.




That works on Vista but MS removed that option on Win 7.


I'm not sure it works all that well on Vista, but I've done what I could.

Your post also prompted me to Google for alternative shells/GUIs for 
Windows 7. Didn't find anything really promising. Back in Windoze95 
days, I had an OS/2 shell that made it look/feel (almost) like Warp.


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Re: Ned Bunnell blogs the K-01

[John Sessoms]

From: 
From: "John Sessoms" 
Subject: Re: Ned Bunnell blogs the K-01



From: David J Brooks


On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM, John Sessoms 
wrote:

From: "knarftheriault



Holy hyperbole, Batman!

I started reading the paragraph that started with how "shockingly
easy" it is to use, but really couldn't get past that.

Just a bit OTT for me. And here I thought that photographers took
pictures and the camera was just a tool...

Cheers, frank

He lost me at the assertion "one of those cameras that turns any
user?even
the most basic user?into a professional photographer".

He lost me at free beer.

Free beer might have made it worth hanging around and listening to the
rest of his drivel.


Ah, you forgot, it's free beer tomorrow.



Story of my life. Free beer tomorrow, free beer yesterday, but never 
free beer today.


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Re: Ned Bunnell blogs the K-01

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On 3/24/2012 8:22 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: 
From: "John Sessoms" 
Subject: Re: Ned Bunnell blogs the K-01



From: David J Brooks


On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM, John Sessoms 
wrote:

From: "knarftheriault



Holy hyperbole, Batman!

I started reading the paragraph that started with how "shockingly
easy" it is to use, but really couldn't get past that.

Just a bit OTT for me. And here I thought that photographers took
pictures and the camera was just a tool...

Cheers, frank

He lost me at the assertion "one of those cameras that turns any
user?even
the most basic user?into a professional photographer".

He lost me at free beer.

Free beer might have made it worth hanging around and listening to the
rest of his drivel.


Ah, you forgot, it's free beer tomorrow.



Story of my life. Free beer tomorrow, free beer yesterday, but never 
free beer today.



There's always free beer tomorrow, but tomorrow never comes...

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Re: Hello & Nothing great

[Christine Aguila]

Hey big thanks everyone!  The response to the first one is a bit of a 
surprise--I'd prefer the birds a tad sharper--like the two birds in the upper 
left corner; my eye sees mushy mess in the center :-)--course that's the way my 
work life has been for the last several months.

I'll be around--so carry on.

Oh, Bob, I had to look up Lik; I didn't know who that was.

Cheers, Christine




On Mar 24, 2012, at 2:15 PM, steve harley wrote:

> on 2012-03-23 22:26 Christine Aguila wrote
> 
>> http://www.caguila.com/miscell
> 
> most enjoyed the ducks (consider cropping the right?) & the first shot of the 
> solitary street light — both have things to say
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Re: GESO: 8 of Maui

[Christine Aguila]

I want to go!  Nice set!  Cheers, Christine



On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> Yes, it does include two palm-tree-against-the-sunset shots, but one
> of those includes Venus and Jupiter: http://goo.gl/GM91q
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Re: PESO: Spring Snow

[Christine Aguila]

Wow!  That's really nice, Paul.  I bet it's even more beautiful seen live.  
Cheers, Christine



On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> I'm oddly compelled to record spring, even if it means producing photos that 
> are largely repetitive of past efforts. it's as though the season is just too 
> precious to let it slip away without a record.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15407032&size=lg
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Re: PESO 2012 - 043 - GDG

[Christine Aguila]

Great shot!  Lots of personality in this one!  Cheers, Christine



On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Managed to get out for a little shooting this evening in Japan Town. I 
> stopped at Roy's Station and had my cuppa espresso. There were three young 
> women at the table near me chatting with this gal and her Sulphur Crested 
> Cockatoo. As I went to go for a walk, she spied my camera and exclaimed, 
> "Ooh, an M9! I just got myself an M8!" so I stopped and we talked for a bit. 
> Her name is Tomiko, she's a regular in the Japan Town neighborhood (I've seen 
> her before). 
> 
> The cockatoo is Wendy, she is a Rescue bird. She's about sixteen years old 
> and was maltreated for a long time. A local vet nursed her back to health but 
> couldn't keep her. Tomiko has experience with a few Rescue birds (she has 
> four at present) so she took Wendy in. Wendy's still a little skittish but 
> her health and her disposition are coming around. 
> 
> Of course, I asked to take a picture and Tomiko was obliging:
> 
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/7005060071/lightbox/
> or
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/7005060071/
> 
> That was the third exposure ... Wendy wasn't. She kept turning her head at 
> the moment I released the shutter. You can see she's turned her head away 
> from Tomiko and out of the plane of best focus. Oh well. I like the photo 
> anyway. :-)
> 
> Great time out on this one. This new lens (a Nokton 50mm f/1.5) is truly 
> terrific. It needs a focusing tab, I'll fit one soon. 
> 
> enjoy
> Godfrey
> - 
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Re: PESO 2012 - 042 - GDG

[Christine Aguila]

Big congrats on the workshop acceptance!  Cheers, Christine


On Mar 20, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> Congrats re workshop. Looking forward to hearing of your adventures /
> cadging free advice. :-)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>>> A new entry to the posterous blog last evening. Trying to keep it to one
>>> per week.
>>>  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/jumble
>> 
>> Thank you all for commenting, and taking the time to look!
>> 
>> News of the moment:
>> I've just been accepted into a juried workshop on photo book making
>> for this Spring at Stanford U. Really looking forward to it. My
>> project will be to produce a book from a selection of the photos in my
>> "Communicating 2011" set. Woo Hoo! :-)
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>>   godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com
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